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Cicilus Hadrican Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 15:53:00 - [241] Edited by: Cicilus Hadrican on 11/12/2006 16:17:00 <Iraq internet and multiple postings ftl (delete plz)>
Cicilus Hadrican Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 15:56:00 - [242] Edited by: Cicilus Hadrican on 11/12/2006 16:21:26 <Iraq internet and multiple postings ftl (delete plz)>
Cicilus Hadrican Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 15:58:00 - [243] Edited by: Cicilus Hadrican on 11/12/2006 16:11:15 <Stupid slow Iraq internet, plz delete)
Maria Ravenwind Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 16:05:00 - [244] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there. I'm just throwing this out there since you're mentioning how hard it would be to take ISS outposts. If they are so profecient at killing Dreads and protecting their deathstars, then what happened with the CC/CDC invasion a number of months ago? All I remember happening is CC/CDC locking down KDF, CC/CDC stopping any form of resistence from ISS, IAC and a few other alliances coming to help, and then CC/CDC was gone, without a POS touched. Now, do you mean to say that they load isk into their cannons and shoot till the enemy withdraws and NAPs? Because that's what happened in that conflict.
Clipparius ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 16:19:00 - [245] Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 5. Pretty much same note, MCFIX siege is over and ISS continues to engage Priory, while they are under the IAC flag, with Priory tring their best not to fight back. Only to fight back when eggressed. Dispite Priory flying a IAC flag at the time, this would be in itself a ACT OF WAR. Priory seperates from IAC due to IAC not wanting to fight ISS due to mutual goals. WHAT? Priory continually attacked ISS whilst members of IAC. We had numerous instances of this, which were reported to IAC. This bit is outright wrong. And as for all the other bits, they all happened in the past - why suddenly this weekend? Sure ISS haven't been right all the time, but we have tried to respond to worries from other alliances, even rewriting the charter. I still haven't seen anything that ISS are supposed to have done in the last month or so that would make IAC take this decision.
Dallan Arethi Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.12.11 16:49:00 - [246] Originally by: Clipparius Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 5. Pretty much same note, MCFIX siege is over and ISS continues to engage Priory, while they are under the IAC flag, with Priory tring their best not to fight back. Only to fight back when eggressed. Dispite Priory flying a IAC flag at the time, this would be in itself a ACT OF WAR. Priory seperates from IAC due to IAC not wanting to fight ISS due to mutual goals. WHAT? Priory continually attacked ISS whilst members of IAC. We had numerous instances of this, which were reported to IAC. This bit is outright wrong. Not only outright wrong, but contradicted by a Priory member in the post directly above. Speaking as a relative neutral (frankly, since I live in empire lowsec, I'm only watching this situation for the drama, though I appreciate the ideals that BOTH SIDES generally express in favour of opening up trade in 0.0): look, we get it, you have some issues with relations in the past between you and ISS, you chose now to start shooting over them. We get it. Stop trying to make yourselves look like the tragically wronged party. Why would ISS start a war? It's bad for business. They expressly didn't want war, to the point of their CEO trying to open up negotiations. You wanted a war, for reasons exhaustively outlines, and seized on their deployments and fleet movements as a pretext. Consequently, there's going to be a war. Let's see what happens in space.
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:17:00 - [247] Originally by: Dallan Arethi Not only outright wrong, but contradicted by a Priory member in the post directly above his, stating that they left IAC because they enjoyed shooting at ISS so much that even ISS being blue didn't stop them. :D As it's not my intention to incriminate anyone, I would like to add that there was no small amount of confusion at the time (poor IAC diplomats), and so people getting the story wrong in the telling is understandable. Really, the gist of what was said is true. Our political (snicker) goals, and method of play just didn't line up well enough with IAC's, nothing more than that. The details are only just that. Also, one thing I missed in regards to ISS is the outwards face that they present to the rest of the game. And this comes from the fact that ISS is an undisciplined mass of peons (for the most part, there are always exceptions, and a number of ISS folks that I have nothing but <3 for), but this comes across in threads like this. One of the biggest perpetrators being ButterDog, and while sure, you can say that he isn't an 'official' spokesman, he is still one of the loudest voices for ISS--even when he isn't a member. Really, the general attitude of holier-than-thou and entitlement given off by the majority of the ISS peons simply ****es people off. Add on top of that, the fact that as an alliance, you operate with an absolute lack of honor, and those alliances and corps who care about those things lose all respect for the name and 'mission' of ISS. For example, listening to a member of White Nova spam Litom while sitting in a POS for an hour going on about how Priory lacks discipline because we talk in local? The sheer hypocrisy is mindblowing and indictive of your alliance as a whole. This war has been a long time coming. Now die.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:24:00 - [248] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind If they are so profecient at killing Dreads and protecting their deathstars, then what happened with the CC/CDC invasion a number of months ago? All I remember happening is CC/CDC locking down KDF, CC/CDC stopping any form of resistence from ISS, IAC and a few other alliances coming to help, and then CC/CDC was gone, without a POS touched. Your memory serves you poorly. No dreads were deployed by CC/CDC. They opted instead to POS-spam the system. Now ZX has triple the number of deathstars. So go ahead, make ISS's day and have a go.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:27:00 - [249] Originally by: Silvestri NOBODY IN ISS NOTICED THAT MC AND FIX WERE IN LOCAL IN MASSIVE NUMBERS???!!! YOU'RE FULL OF ****!! Nobody in there right mind would not notice that and ask what there purpose was at said time.... You can dance around this point all you'd like but YOU know you're wrong on this one!! Even Count admitted it. Er, ISS have already stated that they noticed. And as soon as Count was back from a RL meeting in London, he asked Seleene to move (which MC have confirmed to be true). Also, ISSN initially blocked the Fix fleet from coming IAC's way.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:38:00 - [250] Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 1. When ISS forms a NAP with Curse Coalition and tells IAC to leave while CC extracts assests from the area (as good will) Then allows the CC to base from their area for a couple of jumps less skirmishes with IAC. I was at the negotiations on ventrilo. IAC were there too. ISS brought you guys to the table on that day, and a ceasefire was agreed betweeen you and CC/CDC. YOUR pilots then broke the ceasefire. Hardly our fault. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 2. Before MCFIX, FIX used ISS outposts to stage attacks against IAC for some mutual and very fun pew pew sessions. Some how docking is allowed when supposibly hostile. (I believe I remember chasing that damn Jovius Manginus and his Vagabond many a day and himself hiding in the Tycho station grrr.) Before McFix, FIX were RED to ISS, and shot ISS on a daily basis. A few days before they attacked you, they approached ISS to ask for mutual blue standings, which ISS agreed to. No-one knew anything about the imminent attack on IAC, not even you guys. Both MC and FIX were asked to NOT base out of ISS outposts during the attack, which they agreed to. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 3. MCFIX uses ISS stations as a small base to set up siege shop. NAPS a long time enemy of theirs (FIX) and allows both partys to set shop and access to a friends space to oust IAC out of the Catch region. Regardless off IACS warnings that ISS pilots are to stay out of IAC space, many cases of ISS pilots are roaming around looking at active fleets and possibly spying. IAC still refrains from firing. Reports of the Count (which he confesses himself as a lapse of judgement.) watches as a IAC POS is put into reinforced. Again, they DID use ISS stations to start with, and as soon as ISS management found out, they asked MC/FIX to leave. They did this. This has ALREADY been confirmed by Seleene. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 4. In the same MCFIX timeframe, out of mutual repect of each other, SNIGG and Priory decide they rather see IAC in Catch and aid IAC in fighting MCFIX. ISS is warned on countless times to not fire on SNIGG and Priory since they are temporary blue for defense at the time. (even AFTER Priory becomes IAC themselves!) ISS continuely violates pleas to not engage allys that have agreed not to fire on ISS. Utter rubbish. Priory opened fire on ISS first, and the killmails and logs are there to prove it, and these where presented to your management at the time. Eventually PRI leave IAC, and even ADMIT they do so because they want to shoot ISS. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 5. Pretty much same note, MCFIX siege is over and ISS continues to engage Priory, while they are under the IAC flag, with Priory tring their best not to fight back. Only to fight back when eggressed. Dispite Priory flying a IAC flag at the time, this would be in itself a ACT OF WAR. Priory seperates from IAC due to IAC not wanting to fight ISS due to mutual goals. Just, lol. Are you so completely retarded you actually think that ISS engaged PRI first, that they somehow buliied this elite group of pirates? That a group of miners and industrialists hunted them down? That PRI, who ADMITTED they wanted to shoot ISS, didnt do it to stir things up? Your reasons are not even credible. Its just one pathetic excuse after another.
Toranya Faidutti Gallente White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:40:00 - [251] Originally by: Silvestri After an hour of reading....my honest opinion is that this is like 2 big brothers who just need to air out the grudges....swap some blows and feel better and nap again. QFT. My own thoughts as a newish member of ISS... I don't know very much about the history of the IAC/ISS relationship, nor was I around when the MC debacle happened. So I have nothing to saw on those topics. Do I want this war? Not particularly. War always gets in the way of industry and that is my first love. That said, I had a lot of fun in the battles last night. They were the first fleet battles that my character didn't actually lag so hard to the point that I was dead and podded before I got control of my client back. So, while I am happy to spend some time playing pew-pew with our IAC neighbors and trying out my new combat ships and fittings, I do hope that my people and your people have a sit-down to resolve their differences before too long so that all parties involved can get back to the far more important business of making money.
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:46:00 - [252] Originally by: Butter Dog Are you so completely retarded you actually think that ISS engaged PRI first, that they somehow buliied this elite group of pirates? That a group of miners and industrialists hunted them down? That PRI, who ADMITTED they wanted to shoot ISS, didnt do it to stir things up? Your reasons are not even credible. Its just one pathetic excuse after another. See, there you go throwing extra stuff in there. "did it to stir things up", I can only picture how we in Priory look in your over active imagination. Cloaked figures in a dark room, standing in a circle (yaknow, where the light only barely shows our outlines), plotting and pulling the strings of both ISS and IAC, leading them into a war against each other to benefit our sinister, and as of yet entirely unknown goals! MWAUAHAHHAHA. Quite the imagination you have there, perhaps you should write some fan fiction instead of filling the alliance forums with non-sense? Priory's "goals" are quite simple. Pew. Pew. No stirring things up, no plotting, no none of that. Life is simple and straight forward in the Priory! Every day is a battle, every formation a parade, every meal a feast! I Love the Priory! Yarrr. But really, I'm quite flattered by all that you attribute to us--a few stray shots fired (and, btw, we never actually blew up any ISS ships before mutual hostilities were brought about, a few shots fired, but no actual deaths. The first actual kill goes to ISS, I can be quite sure about it, because it was my rupture that was 'first blood'.) does not equal anything sinister and malevolent.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:51:00 - [253] Butter you need to stop replying you just show your ignorance. You have no clue about what has been going on, so just go back to pirating in your one system and being a non factor. When priory joined iac there was a friendly fire issue with iss, they responded and ganked one of us. A ceasefire was worked out between us and iss, we were not going to shoot each other and go back to focusing on McFix. However a couple iss loons from the corp ganksterz wanted reimbursement for their hauler (even though we didn't ask for reinbursement for a raven) and engaged a couple of us. Since they were iss they were absolutely terrible at pvp and were quickly dispatched. They then proceeded to say that iss would keep shooting priory even though there was a ceasefire. Hell we even let a bunch of iss freighters go untouched when they warped into our bubble with a crap escort (Even magz restrained from killing them) So mr. butter i have my head up my ass dog, why don't you bugger off. You're a non factor now, no one cares about you but yourself. Just slink away back under your rock while important people carry on with important things.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:52:00 - [254] Originally by: Itaro Flagg Originally by: Butter Dog Are you so completely retarded you actually think that ISS engaged PRI first, that they somehow buliied this elite group of pirates? That a group of miners and industrialists hunted them down? That PRI, who ADMITTED they wanted to shoot ISS, didnt do it to stir things up? Your reasons are not even credible. Its just one pathetic excuse after another. See, there you go throwing extra stuff in there. "did it to stir things up", I can only picture how we in Priory look in your over active imagination. Cloaked figures in a dark room, standing in a circle (yaknow, where the light only barely shows our outlines), plotting and pulling the strings of both ISS and IAC, leading them into a war against each other to benefit our sinister, and as of yet entirely unknown goals! MWAUAHAHHAHA. Quite the imagination you have there, perhaps you should write some fan fiction instead of filling the alliance forums with non-sense? Priory's "goals" are quite simple. Pew. Pew. No stirring things up, no plotting, no none of that. Life is simple and straight forward in the Priory! Every day is a battle, every formation a parade, every meal a feast! I Love the Priory! Yarrr. But really, I'm quite flattered by all that you attribute to us--a few stray shots fired (and, btw, we never actually blew up any ISS ships before mutual hostilities were brought about, a few shots fired, but no actual deaths. The first actual kill goes to ISS, I can be quite sure about it, because it was my rupture that was 'first blood'.) does not equal anything sinister and malevolent. I'd like to correct you there dear corp-mate. Priory did in fact shoot first and destroyed a couple of haulers (well I along with a corpmate did). HOWEVER those haulers were reimbursed (that's what I was told by Pri management), yet some ISS found it necessary to shoot us after we had reimbursed their haulers (hell they were even warned in local prior to us destroying the 2 agressing battleships). ____________ The Priory Killboard
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:58:00 - [255] Originally by: Layla Currie Butter you need to stop replying you just show your ignorance. You have no clue about what has been going on, so just go back to pirating in your one system and being a non factor. IAC are talking about past events as a reason for justifying the -10 setting. I am perfectly well informed about these past events, having been there in person, but thanks for your concern all the same.
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:58:00 - [256] Originally by: maGz I'd like to correct you there dear corp-mate. Priory did in fact shoot first and destroyed a couple of haulers (well I along with a corpmate did). HOWEVER those haulers were reimbursed (that's what I was told by Pri management), yet some ISS found it necessary to shoot us after we had reimbursed their haulers (hell they were even warned in local prior to us destroying the 2 agressing battleships). Well, since my memory is different, I'll go ahead and bow out to your recollection of the events in question. No need to have conflicting stories confusing things even further. But really, it's all rather insignificant. It has nothing to do with the current war. Feelings between Priory and ISS are both mutual and very well known--and hardly the cause, in the slightest, for IAC's issues with ISS.
Tandyra Eve University	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:00:00 - [257] Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 10/12/2006 23:09:39 ISS, we knew what you were up ever since the MC conflict. We just responded first this time. We will defend ourselves. ROFL... arrogant AND paranoid!
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:05:00 - [258] Originally by: Tandyra Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 10/12/2006 23:09:39 ISS, we knew what you were up ever since the MC conflict. We just responded first this time. We will defend ourselves. ROFL... arrogant AND paranoid! that's blackhorizon for yah, except you forgot to put lovable in there too and cuddly, and a fuzzy bear
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:15:00 - [259] Originally by: Butter Dog Your memory serves you poorly. No dreads were deployed by CC/CDC. They opted instead to POS-spam the system. Now ZX has triple the number of deathstars. So go ahead, make ISS's day and have a go. About 10 dreads where deployed and all 3 medium moon mining posses with token guns you had as defence where put in reinforced. It could been done without dreads if that you are getting at. About 5 large deathstar posses where put up but they where unanchord before they had a chance to claim soverginity as the whole affair where resolved in less than 24h. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:24:00 - [260] Originally by: Hoshi About 10 dreads where deployed and all 3 medium moon mining posses with token guns you had as defence where put in reinforced. It could been done without dreads if that you are getting at. About 5 large deathstar posses where put up but they where unanchord before they had a chance to claim soverginity as the whole affair where resolved in less than 24h. Large POS were up and running, and you guys zerged in 5 large POS. We then went and got 10 large POS (I remember as I escorted the freighter from Agil) which we started to deploy with you in system. Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed.
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:28:00 - [261] Originally by: Butter Dog Large POS were up and running, and you guys zerged in 5 large POS. We then went and got 10 large POS (I remember as I escorted the freighter from Agil) which we started to deploy with you in system. Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed. Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:29:00 - [262] Originally by: Itaro Flagg Originally by: Butter Dog Large POS were up and running, and you guys zerged in 5 large POS. We then went and got 10 large POS (I remember as I escorted the freighter from Agil) which we started to deploy with you in system. Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed. Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum ***, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming.** beer pong anyone?
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:31:00 - [263] Originally by: Seleene Why? IAC isn't poor. It seems to me though that the option isn't being explored due to personal issues or the perceived bias of MC on this issue. Not at all. FYI Myself and Bacilius are the diplomat elects for IAC and Tyrrax is now a vice president of IAC. If and when we take ISS seriously IAC would explore every feasable plan if it needed to. We view MC as exactly what you are, a good Merc. corp. Because we had pew pew with you doesn't mean we hate you or base policy or neglect policy because you were hired. I have little interest in the ISS stations other than ISS do not keep very good grasp of the member corporations they leave to tend their outposts. This entire disagreement could have been avoided if ISS kept their house in order. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:33:00 - [264] Originally by: Layla Currie beer pong anyone? <3
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:35:00 - [265] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:35:06 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming. You know as well as me that public perception counts. Why else did IAC start this thread? Oh, but now IAC are being exposed for what they are, you want to stop talking all of a sudden. Quelle suprise.
Georgik Sojik Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:35:00 - [266] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hoshi About 10 dreads where deployed and all 3 medium moon mining posses with token guns you had as defence where put in reinforced. It could been done without dreads if that you are getting at. About 5 large deathstar posses where put up but they where unanchord before they had a chance to claim soverginity as the whole affair where resolved in less than 24h. Large POS were up and running, and you guys zerged in 5 large POS. We then went and got 10 large POS (I remember as I escorted the freighter from Agil) which we started to deploy with you in system. Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed. ôThe road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truthö
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:37:00 - [267] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:35:06 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming. You know as well as me that public perception counts. Why else did IAC start this thread? Oh, but now IAC are being exposed for what they are, you want to stop talking all of a sudden. Quelle suprise. Nah, I really just want you to stop talking =/ And as for public appearances? Sure they're important, but there is a certain fundamental nature of incompetence that, by definition, the more incompetence exhibited the greater the inability of said incompetent party to realize it. Which is to say, what you think you're doing for ISS's image, is considerably far from the reality of the situation.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:38:00 - [268] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:35:06 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming. You know as well as me that public perception counts. Why else did IAC start this thread? Oh, but now IAC are being exposed for what they are, you want to stop talking all of a sudden. Quelle suprise. Shut your codsmoking mouth. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Adril Alatar Minmatar No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:46:00 - [269] Originally by: Butter Dog Are you so completely retarded you actually think that ISS engaged PRI first, that they somehow buliied this elite group of pirates? That a group of miners and industrialists hunted them down? Originally by: Butter Dog Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed. You mean before this they were only miners and now they are miners and industrials?
Toman Torax Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:48:00 - [270] All this buttered up SPINing is making me dizzy. (combat) Your Inferno Torpedo hits Taisu Magdesh, doing 604.5 damage.

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