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ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:31:00 - [181] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. Word to the wise: don't say that until AFTER you've taken the outposts. You're likely to see some of our shareholders enter the fray if you so much as look at those outposts hungrily. --------------------------------------------------------------------
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:34:00 - [182] Christmas pew-pew \o/ Lets make this one fun, clear the air and get on with our future. ______________________________________
Narusegawa Naru Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:40:00 - [183] I join IAC and within a few hours I'm told we are at war with ISS (well -10 standing anyway). Definately a shock to me as I'm from the northern regions and this is my first time in the south. I wanted some PvP experience and it looks like I'm gonna get it. However in the light of good spirit I wish both our sides good luck in this conflict. --
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:47:00 - [184] One little seed sown 8 months ago, now blossoming into a beautiful flower. Just sad that the one who planted the seed did not survive long enough to harvest the fruits of their labor. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:56:00 - [185] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 11/12/2006 10:40:29 Rich, I'm surprised you would even bother with all of this but IÆll reply because IÆve flown with you and respect your abilities in that regard. >3 i yours too, hence why i replied rather than saying "STFU NEWB" <3 Quote: Friendly relations does not equal 'retainer'. A retainer would indicate some sort of regular payment or standing profitable agreement, neither of which MC has with ISS. Now i know either on the MC forums/eve-o forums i have seen either count or a senior member of MC say that MC is on a retainer. I realise MC may care little about who they have to shoot, they shoot who they are paid to, but i dont honestly believe any more ISS eggwarming work will go the way of MC if the MC accepted a contract against ISS. Quote: MC will get involved when my wallet flashes. like a Big Blue flash? With all the 'fighting' talk mynas has been doing id be surprised if there wasnt already a thread on the MC forums asking to come fight down here after the RAGOON war. Would you care to comment on that? Quote: Why? IAC isn't poor.... i explained above about how i believe (IMHO) ISS wouldnt employ MC for eggwarming, if MC accepted a contract against them. I believe LV have protected a number of eggwarmings and for the right price would happily protect the egg with much greater numbers than MC could produce. Indeed IAC arent poor, hearing about the plethora of BPOs they have, damm (WTB CHEAP VAGABOND :P )However throughout pretty much every official post by IAC they have said they are currently not interested in taking stations. for them to jump into ISS space, whilst their morale still high and attempt to take stations would be foolish and a mistake. beofre tinfoil goes on this is not me saying IAC intends to wear them down. TBH i know nothing other than the standings being reset. Due to the above, id assume currently IAC has no need/use or want of MC Quote: Not sure what you mean about the 'undocking' comment. As for the rest, the plan would be pretty easy. This isn't BoB / ASCN / D2, etc... It's IAC and ISS, two medium sized alliances in specific areas of space. I was trying to say the MC would accept "undocking" as a plan for fighting RAGOONs, and that there wouldnt be a decent enough plan in place to fight ISS. Trying to make a point that MC would reject a contract against ISS. Of course i may be totally wrong, however again imho, i feel a contract wouldnt be taken. REVELATIONS RECRUITING NOW
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:56:00 - [186] Quote: If they did then they are talking out of their ass. BoB has absolutely nothing to do with our current contract. I find it amazing that people would think BoB is even involved in this conflict with the mile-long list of others who have a vested interest in the fate of Scalding Pass and the surrounding area. yeah TBH i found it a little odd, perhaps if you went to war with celes, then it would be slightly understandable. Quote: As for the ISS shareholder question, that's a better one. Just because IAC and your alliance has chosen to walk down a certain path with regard to ISS does not mean that the rest of EVE will rally behind you. It will most likely have the opposite effect, with ISS flexing its financial muscles and calling in friends of their own. i think you must have missed my point, because i know witht he amount of isk some shareholders have tied up, they stand to loose a lot of isk. Fortunately for MC and other Mercs, these ppl with lots of loose have lots of spare cash. By no means did i believe we would get help for "fighting the good fight" or anything. Quote: Maybe that's what you guys want: a big fight. Well, I'm sure you'll get it. I do wonder how much of this is just pointless saber-rattling for the sake of a little 'pew-pew' and how much is serious intent to take the ISS stations. If it's mainly the former, I think everyone will have a good time for a while and all will be well. If it's the later, I think the fun factor is going to die very quickly because then it becomes a rather serious matter for several hundred (thousand?) ISS shareholders. tbh have to see how it goes. Whilst station ping-pong is sad and frustrating, taking about 72bil isks worth of assets from pretty much everyone in game would be quite an interesting feat. Whilst unlikely, i do not believe its un-achievable REVELATIONS RECRUITING NOW
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:59:00 - [187] Originally by: JaredC01 ISSN = MC Support Fleet <-- Spoken from an ex-ISSN Captain's standpoint... Nice job IAC, wish I could have been there to see it. Give them hell guys. [Insert ISS Diplomat Complaint/Rant Here] [Insert Butter Dog's Personal Views Here] Yarrr. Perhaps you could help them with your amazing auto-cannon geddon?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:02:00 - [188] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there.
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:06:00 - [189] Edited by: gusta on 11/12/2006 12:06:51 Originally by: Butter Dog I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there. surly you havnt flown with them in a while then butter.
Jennie Marlboro No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:06:00 - [190] Originally by: Vensa Heckler Oh go to hell, let me lay this out for you being as you seem to be too stupid to realise it yourself: FRIDAY: your people are told to start moving your stuff out of our stations, ... Isn't that reason enough for IAC to set ISS to -10 right there? Evicting someone from your stations is not a friendly act. Maybe they just set you to neutral, maybe not, but you had to know you were gonna **** them off, right?
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:09:00 - [191] Originally by: Jennie Marlboro Originally by: Vensa Heckler Oh go to hell, let me lay this out for you being as you seem to be too stupid to realise it yourself: FRIDAY: your people are told to start moving your stuff out of our stations, ... Isn't that reason enough for IAC to set ISS to -10 right there? Evicting someone from your stations is not a friendly act. Maybe they just set you to neutral, maybe not, but you had to know you were gonna **** them off, right? I think you will find what he means is IAC told their members to move stuff out of ISS stations not ISS told IAC to remove their stuff
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:10:00 - [192] Originally by: Jennie Marlboro Originally by: Vensa Heckler Oh go to hell, let me lay this out for you being as you seem to be too stupid to realise it yourself: FRIDAY: your people are told to start moving your stuff out of our stations, ... Isn't that reason enough for IAC to set ISS to -10 right there? Evicting someone from your stations is not a friendly act. Maybe they just set you to neutral, maybe not, but you had to know you were gonna **** them off, right? You missed the point Jennie .. it was IAC who instructed their own people to evacuate from ISS stations prior to IAC launching their attack. Myn
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:15:00 - [193] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Jennie Marlboro Originally by: Vensa Heckler Oh go to hell, let me lay this out for you being as you seem to be too stupid to realise it yourself: FRIDAY: your people are told to start moving your stuff out of our stations, ... Isn't that reason enough for IAC to set ISS to -10 right there? Evicting someone from your stations is not a friendly act. Maybe they just set you to neutral, maybe not, but you had to know you were gonna **** them off, right? You missed the point Jennie .. it was IAC who instructed their own people to evacuate from ISS stations prior to IAC launching their attack. Myn They instructed the removal of assets from iss stns becuase they heard rumors that iss was going to reset iac standings.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:15:00 - [194] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 11/12/2006 06:22:35 For all you greedy forumy types. Here is some stats from the first coupla hours in the fighting in ZXIC Kills: BS: 25 elite BC: 1 BC: 9 Cruisers: 20 HAC: 2 Frigs: 47 losses: BS: 3 (domi, domi, scorp) << short range 4tl! crazy bastards :P BC: 4 Cruisers: 10 Frigs: 45 This is from IAC's private killboard so if ISS has some more BS losses then please feel free to send them to me and I will post them. Real IAC losses from the ISS board for the few hours you refer to are: Assault Ships: 20 T1 frigates: 39 Interdictor: 2 BC: 4 Stealth Bomber: 2 Battleship: 5 Cruiser: 13 Interceptors: 15 Covert Ops: 1 The high number of T2 frigate losses are representative of the fact you send a T2 frigate fleet into ZX which was completely slaughtered, getting about 3 kills.
Adril Alatar Minmatar No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:16:00 - [195] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there. you are funny, but you have no clue....
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:17:00 - [196] Originally by: gusta They instructed the removal of assets from iss stns becuase they heard rumors that iss was going to reset iac standings. lol! You guys are clutching desperately at straws here. Count made a post expressing a desire for continued 'blue' relations, so how you arrive at that conclusion is beyond me. You really must try harder on this smear campaign, its failing miserably so far.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:18:00 - [197] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there. you are funny, but you have no clue.... Very easy to type those few words, but it means nothing. I've outlined my view and the reasons for it. If you wish to counter that with reasoned argument, go right ahead. If all you can do is resort to vague insults or one-liners... well we know who wins the debate. And its not you.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:20:00 - [198] Originally by: RichThugster Quote: Friendly relations does not equal 'retainer'. A retainer would indicate some sort of regular payment or standing profitable agreement, neither of which MC has with ISS. Now i know either on the MC forums/eve-o forums i have seen either count or a senior member of MC say that MC is on a retainer. I talk to Count a lot and I respect what he and ISS have tried to do. Maybe you did see something to that effect somewhere, but no such agreement exists as far as myself or the other MC CEOs know. Quote: I realise MC may care little about who they have to shoot, they shoot who they are paid to, but i dont honestly believe any more ISS eggwarming work will go the way of MC if the MC accepted a contract against ISS. TBH, egg-warming sucks. Why we've never been hired to KILL an egg is beyond me. Quote: With all the 'fighting' talk mynas has been doing id be surprised if there wasnt already a thread on the MC forums asking to come fight down here after the RAGOON war. Would you care to comment on that? There wasn't a thread about it this morning when I left for work, but I'm sure there will be soon. Quote: Trying to make a point that MC would reject a contract against ISS. Of course i may be totally wrong, however again imho, i feel a contract wouldnt be taken. TBH, I think that IAC is stirring the pot for rather dubious reasons, but that's my personal POV. It wouldn't stop me from taking their money tho. Quote: Whilst station ping-pong is sad and frustrating, taking about 72bil isks worth of assets from pretty much everyone in game would be quite an interesting feat. Whilst unlikely, i do not believe its un-achievable Agreed. Right now it's obvious that if ISS feels sufficiently threatened that they probably have the ISK reserves and the political connections to secure MC and any number of other defenders. On the other hand, IAC has proven in the past that they are not to be underestimated either. All I can say right now is that I think it's going to be a very bloody Christmas for both sides of this. Hopefully someone will finance our way into it. Kill IAC and friends again or shatter the dream of ISS. It's all EVE and all deliciously dramatic IMO. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:23:00 - [199] Edited by: gusta on 11/12/2006 12:23:52 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: gusta They instructed the removal of assets from iss stns becuase they heard rumors that iss was going to reset iac standings. lol! You guys are clutching desperately at straws here. Count made a post expressing a desire for continued 'blue' relations, so how you arrive at that conclusion is beyond me. You really must try harder on this smear campaign, its failing miserably so far. oh so you want to make things up or post what you feel to be true yet, when somone else post somthing you first jump to the conclusion that its false info or, a smear campaign. tbh butter you cant run around saying whats true or not as you dont have both sides of the story. you only post what you think is true in hopes to sway the publics eye in favor of your precious iss.
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Butter Dog Perhaps you could help them with your amazing auto-cannon geddon? Perhaps you could help ISS with your unparalelled wit? You do understand, the more you say the more you turn people against ISS right?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:30:00 - [201] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Butter Dog Perhaps you could help them with your amazing auto-cannon geddon? Perhaps you could help ISS with your unparalelled wit? You do understand, the more you say the more you turn people against ISS right? The traffic in my ear from neutrals to this is quite different. Don't think the general population of EVE are that stupid. They can see this for what it is. They don't think ISS 'deserved' the -10 from IAC. They believe the excuses IAC have give are manufactured at best. They are also curious to know why these threads have such a large number of posts from Shroud of Darkness... and seeing IAC work so closely with pirates is certainly a stain on their 'free space' reputation. Fact is, IAC used to stand for something. But bored of NBSI, they now actively sponsor nearby pirate forces, and turn on the nearest entity they think they can get easy kills from. Its all so obvious, and thats why people are not falling for IAC's story. Nor are they falling for the spam of Shroud of Darkness posts (usually low-level smack).
Lizza Ecktar Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:31:00 - [202] Originally by: Seleene TBH, egg-warming sucks. Unless it happens to be a FIX egg
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:33:00 - [203] Edited by: n sx on 11/12/2006 12:38:59 Butter Dog, your rants in this thread border on stupidity. You're making bold claims that make you look like a fool. You've spoken poorly of IAC, with no idea of ever having fought us (other than 7 days in The Priory). We know you've hated IAC for a very long time, who knows why, we just don't care. You can probably be blamed for alot of the ISSN/IAC tension back at the begining of the year anyway with your underhanded relationships and dealings with Curse Coalition/Tyrell Corp. So in summary, stop yapping, just get in a ship and head on down for a fight. Get back into ISS, or stay in your current corp - you're RED either way.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:36:00 - [204] Originally by: Lizza Ecktar Originally by: Seleene TBH, egg-warming sucks. Unless it happens to be a FIX egg I stand corrected!! - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Lubomir Kratochvil Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:39:00 - [205] Edited by: Lubomir Kratochvil on 11/12/2006 12:39:16 ahem I have an important announcement: pew pew That is all. Today is the tomorrow that you should have feared yesterday.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:39:00 - [206] Originally by: n sx Butter Dog, your rants in this thread border on stupidity. You're making bold claims that make you look like a fool. You've spoken poorly of IAC, with no idea of ever having fought us (other than 7 days in Curse Coalition). We know you've hated IAC for a very long time, who knows why, we just don't care. You can probably be blamed for alot of the ISSN/IAC tension back at the begining of the year anyway with your underhanded relationships and dealings with Curse Coalition/Tyrell Corp. So in summary, stop yapping, just get in a ship and head on down for a fight. Get back into ISS, or stay in your current corp - you're RED either way. TBH, I suspected I might be red to IAC when I started ganking your mission runners and building an impressive collection of T2 cap rechargers (kali probing ftw). That aside, I've always held IAC in mostly high regard, until now. I liked your free space ideals, you seemed like an honest and forthright group of guys, and I was vocal in my support of you during your war with McFix. But all that is gone, and its down to YOUR actions, not mine. - You sponsor pirates who actively hunt traffic in your alleged 'free space' - You manufacture excuses to set ISS to -10 and lack the balls to be upfront and honest about your motives - You have lost your integrity, and everything you once stood for. Thats fine, you're entitled to change. But that doesnt mean I have to carry on thinking 'what a nice bunch IAC are'. Far from it.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:54:00 - [207] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken dude, are you serious? every iac ive seen today is shouting about how they are going to take the iss stations. I have ways of hearing things. pretty funny misdirection tho. IAC is run by representative government, not by consensus. Even if you hear our grunt pilots saying they want to take the station doesn't mean it's actually part of our agenda. Originally by: Butter Dog Don't think the general population of EVE are that stupid. They can see this for what it is. They don't think ISS 'deserved' the -10 from IAC. They believe the excuses IAC have give are manufactured at best. We haven't given our "reasons" just yet, beyond pewpew. Of course, that doesn't seem to stop you. ---- Marginis and Tycho, sitting in a tree, camped in by fifteen hundred IAC
Jonask'ri Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:55:00 - [208] Originally by: Mangold Edited by: Mangold on 10/12/2006 23:50:39 Originally by: Redwolf This is why an ISS pilot ganged with Ushra'khan forces and engaged CVA ships persuing a legitimate war last night, outside of ISS space? Redwolf, keep this out of the forums and contact a senior member of the Ushra'Khan. We don't fly with ISS on missions against CVA. Mangold, I have already sent Nyphur (CC: Count T) regarding the incident. There will be no contact with Ushra'Khan concerning this matter as we expected no special rules of engagement with you terrorists. We did however expect the publically neutral ISS not to attack us whether ganged or not ganged with Ushra'Khan forces. Regards, Jonask'ri ----- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name. Jonask'ri
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:56:00 - [209] Originally by: Butter Dog The traffic in my ear from neutrals to this is quite different. Don't think the general population of EVE are that stupid. They can see this for what it is. They don't think ISS 'deserved' the -10 from IAC. They believe the excuses IAC have give are manufactured at best. They are also curious to know why these threads have such a large number of posts from Shroud of Darkness... and seeing IAC work so closely with pirates is certainly a stain on their 'free space' reputation. Before I joined priory, I was huzzah and also axe. Both blue to you guys (seeing as you like to argue for ISS and pretty much leave when you want to pirate, and come back when you're done, "you guys" refers to ISS) and you managed to ** off quite a lot of people who normally would not rise to it. A lot of Huzzah got ed off with ISS for continual price gouging. No other blue alliance to us came into our space, bought up products put on sale for low prices (obviously intended for sale to the alliance), and put them up at inflated, marginis-esque prices. This happened SO MANY TIMES even after it was taken up with ISS leadership. Also, the number of times we had ISS people ratting, mining and complexing in our space like it was their own, not leaving when asked and not being dealt with by the leadership was also pretty *** annoying. Stupid like that has probably soured a lot of carebear opinions of your alliance, I know a load of people in HF got ed off to the point of almost shooting ISS but held off because we had bigger things on our plate... Its not too hard to see that IAC has just been **ed off one too many times and wants retribution. As for the spam of SOD posts, its obviously because we engineered this entire situation, since it benefits us to have MORE people shooting at our closest buddies and friends in ISS . Finally, PRI guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think we shoot neutrals in any IAC space apart from F4 (seeing as it's on the doril > zxic pipe), so if neutrals can get to IAC space safely, it's still free space . Pri helped IAC keep their space when it was required, which is much more than can be said about ISS ("neutral" or not, you used to share pretty much the same ideals as IAC and still didnt act). When you're finished with your latest piracy fun, come back to ISS so we can shoost pls?
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:01:00 - [210] Edited by: gusta on 11/12/2006 13:05:14 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: n sx Butter Dog, your rants in this thread border on stupidity. You're making bold claims that make you look like a fool. You've spoken poorly of IAC, with no idea of ever having fought us (other than 7 days in Curse Coalition). We know you've hated IAC for a very long time, who knows why, we just don't care. You can probably be blamed for alot of the ISSN/IAC tension back at the begining of the year anyway with your underhanded relationships and dealings with Curse Coalition/Tyrell Corp. So in summary, stop yapping, just get in a ship and head on down for a fight. Get back into ISS, or stay in your current corp - you're RED either way. TBH, I suspected I might be red to IAC when I started ganking your mission runners and building an impressive collection of T2 cap rechargers (kali probing ftw). That aside, I've always held IAC in mostly high regard, until now. I liked your free space ideals, you seemed like an honest and forthright group of guys, and I was vocal in my support of you during your war with McFix. But all that is gone, and its down to YOUR actions, not mine. - You sponsor pirates who actively hunt traffic in your alleged 'free space' - You manufacture excuses to set ISS to -10 and lack the balls to be upfront and honest about your motives - You have lost your integrity, and everything you once stood for. Thats fine, you're entitled to change. But that doesnt mean I have to carry on thinking 'what a nice bunch IAC are'. Far from it. and how exactly do they sponsor shroud of darkness? this situation is no different than fix getting + standings from iss and attacking iac. but i guess i must go with the old proverb "never argue with an idiot he will just lower you to his level and beat you with experience" is correct in this case so im done with you. and i hope you rejoin iss and got your pirating out of your system as we all know thats why you leave iss from time to time. see you in space butter

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