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SibSpi	Posted - 2006.12.12 05:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The IPO was planned long before the IAC declaration of war. That is not the issue. The issue is how will the IAC Declaration of Hostility impact ISS in meeting its goals? I think ISS has enough ISK to throw at this speed bump to overcome it.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:33:00 - [92] Originally by: Serenity Steele The solution is thus in the scenario you describe The ISSO will issue 5 x 5bn ISK dividends on the same day. Why is that the same for the shareholders and the ISSO? 80% of each 5bn dividend will return to ISSO wallet (4bn) and the other 20% (1bn) will end up in the shareholder wallets. 5 dividends x 1bn = 5bn = 5% as promised to the shareholders of 100bn in shares. What is that better than a single 25bn ISK dividend? This solution only requires 10bn in cash ISK. Thus the majority of capital (Remaining 90%) can continue to be actively used in investments. Again, In Practice, the ISSO tends to have 10bn in cashflow anyway, so 100% of the IPO capital will be working. Not that you have the option of doing a 25b ISK dividend. I haven't tested it out, but pre kali, it was capped at 2b per dividend. Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Erfnam Not that you have the option of doing a 25b ISK dividend. I haven't tested it out, but pre kali, it was capped at 2b per dividend. That just means you have to do multiple dividend payments, it's not a problem. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Ferrosa Gallente Lyonesse Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:46:00 - [94] 32-bit storage ftl Official broker at the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange
Apple Blossom	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The extra activity around KDF/ZX will probably mean bumper profits for the shareholders and ISSO. As long as they actually hold the outposts that is.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:43:00 - [96] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 12/12/2006 19:43:00 ISS IPO reduces barriers for small investors until 23:00 Eve-Time. We've raised over 60bn isk in the first 48hours, however with 86 Investors. To expand the pool of investors, we will accept 100m (10 shares) as minimum investment. This opportunity is available until 23:00 eve-time tonight. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Mr Popov Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:36:00 - [97] Edited by: Mr Popov on 12/12/2006 20:36:32 Does ISS operate an in-game mailing list or channel for potential (and existing) investors? Originally by: Sun Tzu All warfare is based on deception.
Dreck Morrison Amarr No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:39:00 - [98] I know it is just a typo..... but you said the first dividend was to start January 2 2006. I hope it is 2007. Dreck
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:14:00 - [99] Originally by: Mr Popov Does ISS operate an in-game mailing list or channel for potential (and existing) investors? We have ISS Public, although it's not specifically for IPO discussions. You're also welcome to convo me during the IPO. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Dreck Morrison I know it is just a typo..... but you said the first dividend was to start January 2 2006. I hope it is 2007. Dreck Thanks for pointing it out, edited the post. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Apple Blossom Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The extra activity around KDF/ZX will probably mean bumper profits for the shareholders and ISSO. As long as they actually hold the outposts that is. During and following the last major war in the south, profits from ISS Providence temporarilly doubled and I believe at least 50% of that increase was attributable directly to the war. So yes, war is GOOD for business. Given that experience, I expect the shopping baskets described in the IPO document to perform extremely well. And I wouldn't worry about the outposts :). Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:53:00 - [102] OK, my 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood, and Kieron's belly lint. C'mon, haggle with me!!! Now your sig is mine MUAHAHAHAHAHA - Xorus

solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:40:00 - [103] In an earlier post the count stated Quote: but all costs which may be incurred by this event can be covered by our current liquid assets. if this the case why did the ISS have to have a 3 1/2 hour firesale of shares just before the MC,veto ect rolled into action?
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:44:00 - [104] I'm curious as what happens to the shares if ISS loses it's stations. (Don't take this is a flame it's a legit question)
Shadarle	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:48:00 - [105] Excuse me for my noobishness in this regard, but how are stocks/dividends actually handled? Is there an actual in game system for such payments? I've got a large sum of ISK from trading but I figure it may be a good time to start investing it in some bigger ventures. I like the concepts behind this but I just want to better understand the actual in-game handling of things before investing possibly billions of isk :) ********************************************** Tank Rankings - Ships & Fittings Compared! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:54:00 - [106] second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost?
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:58:00 - [107] Originally by: solidshot second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost? Building carriers and dreads? hardly likely. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:04:00 - [108] considering these are likely to be supplying other alliances that will very likely be involved in hostilities it possibly could as you will be seen as aiding and abbeting (sp) them and this will hardeley help your attempts to look neutral will it? PS is anyone gonna answer my first question?
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:09:00 - [109] Originally by: solidshot considering these are likely to be supplying other alliances that will very likely be involved in hostilities it possibly could as you will be seen as aiding and abbeting (sp) them and this will hardeley help your attempts to look neutral will it? PS is anyone gonna answer my first question? There is a unsatifyed, demand by prety much every alliance in the game for more capital, Weapons of mass destruktion dosnt kil, the pilots do! Pun a saide, how woud it make us more unneutral than alot of other empire corperations ? Demand = profit = isk = whats iss is all abut! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:57:00 - [110] i demand a pink titan be built for lilan
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:23:00 - [111] Originally by: Layla Currie i demand a pink titan be built for lilan Woudnt that make me KoS to Eris? Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:28:00 - [112] Originally by: solidshot In an earlier post the count stated Quote: but all costs which may be incurred by this event can be covered by our current liquid assets. if this the case why did the ISS have to have a 3 1/2 hour firesale of shares just before the MC,veto ect rolled into action? It wasn't a fire sale, it was simply to increase the diversity of Investors and provide an opportunity for small investors to participate. The main reason for the minimum limit is to reduce total potential transactions. When I have a free evening to process a lot of transactions, I can lower it again. Last night they were coming in faster than I could fill them. The ISK from the capital raised has been used only as the plan as states. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:31:00 - [113] Originally by: Layla Currie I'm curious as what happens to the shares if ISS loses it's stations. (Don't take this is a flame it's a legit question) The dividend on the shares will remain at the minimum fixed return guarantee of 5% for a longer period of time. Loss of the ISS Marginis, Tycho, Borealis, Consido, Fabrica will not effect profitability immediately, as those stations are owned by shareholders of the individual ISS Outpost Corporations, not the ISSO. In the long term it may effect profitability as there are fewer isolated stations to deliver shopping baskets to. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Shadarle Excuse me for my noobishness in this regard, but how are stocks/dividends actually handled? Is there an actual in game system for such payments? I've got a large sum of ISK from trading but I figure it may be a good time to start investing it in some bigger ventures. I like the concepts behind this but I just want to better understand the actual in-game handling of things before investing possibly billions of isk :) There is an in-game mechanic for issuing dividends. It's under the corp management panel. Just click 'dividends' under the 'home' tab. Then select 'shareholders' and enter the amount of the dividend. The game then automatically divides the dividend proportionally amongst shareholders based on number of shares held. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:36:00 - [115] Originally by: solidshot second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost? We will not be building Motherships or Titans, so will not pose any kind of special risk. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:42:00 - [116] Originally by: Tirg OK, my 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood, and Kieron's belly lint. C'mon, haggle with me!!! Ok :) 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood (as an IG item), the Prison Serial number of all 8+ Caldari Citizens who have impersonated me and been renamed, and .. um .. 5 perma stickies on the forum of my choice! New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:54:00 - [117] 20% of the shares are now sold (First 72hrs of IPO). New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Maltrox Minmatar United Salvage and Recovery	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:47:00 - [118] I'd like to point out something that was overlooked in preparation of ISSO, quote: Quote: ISS Cassini [ISSCA] ISS Managed IPO: 34Bn Total Managed: 172.5 Bn IPO Sell Time: 4 Hours BOB and ASCN seized this station from D2. After much debate, it was decided ISS should run it as a public venture. The station was sold to the Eve community and the profits went primarily to D2 (former TRUST). That's not accurate. The alliance formerly known as TRUST was not part of the alliance known as D2 at the time of the station takeover, nor did D2 exist as an official entity within the confines of the game code itself (barring any external press releases). Dusk and Dawn [D2] Established on 2006.04.08 Source TRUST officially announced it's dissoultion as an alliance on their website with the following news release: Quote: TRUST hereby announces the dissolvement of our alliance structure. The last weeks showed that some entities clearly did not respect our neutrality. It was expected that not everybody would embrace our n.... Source Saturday, April 08, 2006, 21:47 by Studi ============ Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? I bought some shares from FIN and when I asked about buyback, they refused. FIN will offer buyback at some stage but it's not an automatic guarantee to buy back shares at any time. I ended up selling them to someone else. I suppose you could do the same if required. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:32:00 - [120] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? I bought some shares from FIN and when I asked about buyback, they refused. FIN will offer buyback at some stage but it's not an automatic guarantee to buy back shares at any time. I ended up selling them to someone else. I suppose you could do the same if required. Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!

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