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Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:43:00 - [1] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 10/12/2006 23:46:43 In the 17 months since ISS was conceived, we have constructed six public and two private outposts in different parts of Eve. We are now taking the next step in 0.0 economics, Both politically and functionally. We are selling shares in ISS itself - we are going public with the alliance. For the ISS it is a logical step and we believe it is the first time a player driven entity in any MMO become truly community owned. You can be part of this unique venture in Eve-Online. The buyers of these shares become owners of the alliance and will receive monthly dividends of minimum 5%. The goals of this initiative are: - Create wealth to the shareholders, ISS owners, by taking advantage of the economies and logistics of scale accessible only by an entity of the size and narrow focus of ISS - Reinforce the commercial success of the existing 6 public ISS outposts. - Continue to cultivate and bring capitalism to the frontier by building more public outposts in under utilised areas of space To bring these goals to life we are selling fifty thousand shares, each worth 10m ISK, to be put up for sale on Dec 10th 2006. We are guaranteeing monthly dividends of 5%, and have created a business plan for the new ISS, which we believe will over time will ensure a return on investment in excess of 10%. See www.eve-iss.com/ISSO on how to buy. www.eve-iss.com/isso Chairman, ISS
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:43:00 - [2] 6 Months in the making, 2 charter revisions in preparation ... it's finally arrived :) Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 00:03:49 5 0 0 b i l l i o n ?! Note to the noobs: the above is a link. Note to the l33t h4xors, the above is stupidly complicated forumcode... hover over the various letters to see what I mean. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Tami Auryn Natural Evolution	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:47:00 - [4] Yup my calculator confirms 500b IPO OMG that's the biggest thing since ... never BMBE ISK Loans
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:49:00 - [5] good lord.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Nyphur on 10/12/2006 23:51:38 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2006 23:48:54 500 billion?! Worth the wait, huh? were you thinking you'd be able to buy all the shared? ;D EDIT: Oi, those are links you sneaky brat :D Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:01:00 - [7] Well its really nice to see how well ISS has done, all the work count has put in back from the conception of the idea back in HC. Best of luck to you with this, a rather impressive sum of isk to be sure :)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 00:14:13 By the way, STUFF is happy to supply ISS with bulk T2 items in Jita if necessary. Contact Yukari Tanizaki -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
SibSpi	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:19:00 - [9] Question: This is my first time investing here in EVE, and I'm not completely accustom to the normal, given rules. But my corporation (probably) has really bad standings with ISS, I'm asking if I can individually invest even though our relationship standings may be bad. Thanks.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:21:00 - [10] Originally by: SibSpi Question: This is my first time investing here in EVE, and I'm not completely accustom to the normal, given rules. But my corporation (probably) has really bad standings with ISS, I'm asking if I can individually invest even though our relationship standings may be bad. Thanks. ISS has bad standings towards you, or your corp has bad standings towards ISS? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
SibSpi	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: SibSpi Question: This is my first time investing here in EVE, and I'm not completely accustom to the normal, given rules. But my corporation (probably) has really bad standings with ISS, I'm asking if I can individually invest even though our relationship standings may be bad. Thanks. ISS has bad standings towards you, or your corp has bad standings towards ISS? ISS to us. We shot people
Stins ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:23:00 - [12] Originally by: SibSpi Question: This is my first time investing here in EVE, and I'm not completely accustom to the normal, given rules. But my corporation (probably) has really bad standings with ISS, I'm asking if I can individually invest even though our relationship standings may be bad. Thanks. This IPO is open to all pod pilots, being them hostile to ISS or not.
Ehrine Ashbark Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:24:00 - [13] ISS is a business entity and as such we will happily sell shares to those that attack us. For relavence, we have many investors in the outposts that are unable to dock due to being hostile to us. To also aleviate fears, politcal standings do not effect share payouts. Even if you're -10, you'll still get your share of the dividends.
SibSpi	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Stins Originally by: SibSpi Question: This is my first time investing here in EVE, and I'm not completely accustom to the normal, given rules. But my corporation (probably) has really bad standings with ISS, I'm asking if I can individually invest even though our relationship standings may be bad. Thanks. This IPO is open to all pod pilots, being them hostile to ISS or not. Thanks. 1bill invested. makes note to try to not shoot ISS haulers as much
Thetis Caldari NewDawn	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:29:00 - [15] This is a very interesting proposal... Its also a huge amount of isk. The greedy side of me is wondering, you appear to have capped the returns to shareholders at 5%/month. What happens if the profits exceed expectations, and you end up with more than the 15% ROI indicated on your proposal, would the proportion paid to shareholders increase, or would it all simply be channeled into the black hole of 'ISS Ventures'?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Nyphur on 11/12/2006 00:43:13 Originally by: Thetis The greedy side of me is wondering, you appear to have capped the returns to shareholders at 5%/month. What happens if the profits exceed expectations, and you end up with more than the 15% ROI indicated on your proposal We haven't capped the return at 5%, we are guaranteeing at least 5% and this may well increase to over 10% over time as projects get established. It's all on the website linked in the first post :). EDIT: And yes, that's isk paid to shareholders. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Thetis Caldari NewDawn	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 11/12/2006 00:43:13 Originally by: Thetis snip We haven't capped the return at 5%, we are guaranteeing at least 5% and this may well increase to over 10% over time as projects get established. It's all on the website linked in the first post :). EDIT: And yes, that's isk paid to shareholders. Thanks, It appears I mis-understood the information on Page 10.
Ferrosa Gallente Lyonesse Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:52:00 - [18] I'll just go ahead and ask a 'Dark Shikari' question here: Why would we entrust you with such a large sum of ISK, what have you guys done in the past 200M sent Official broker at the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:54:00 - [19] Edited by: Nyphur on 11/12/2006 01:06:43 Originally by: Thetis Thanks, It appears I mis-understood the information on Page 10. Don't take my word for it, I'm still reading it myself. I'll try to get someone like Count to respond for you but we're all quite busy at the moment. EDIT: heyyy, I'm not assistant editor of EON, I'm voluntary assistant editor of the Insider's Guide section of EON :D. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Ferrosa I'll just go ahead and ask a 'Dark Shikari' question here: Why would we entrust you with such a large sum of ISK, what have you guys done in the past 200M sent It is actually a good question. While in the past, no single person has had access to over a few 10s of billions, now someone will have access to 500 billion--something that would make even the most trustworthy players flinch. Will the ISK be sent piecewise to the various projects as it comes in, or will you wait until the full 500b investment comes in, which will probably take a few months? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:17:00 - [21] With the information that has been freely given to me, some of your outposts are probably under threat, maybe the point of you losing them. I've also been told you hire Merc to defend your shippments and bases, just how much of this investment will go towards defence or is that handled by other income?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari It is actually a good question. While in the past, no single person has had access to over a few 10s of billions, now someone will have access to 500 billion--something that would make even the most trustworthy players flinch. Will the ISK be sent piecewise to the various projects as it comes in, or will you wait until the full 500b investment comes in, which will probably take a few months? You mean will we compartmentalise the isk to reduce the already negligible risk of betrayal in the high ranks of ISS? I just spoke to Count TaSessine and that's confirmed, the isk is sent out to individual projects and shopping baskets etc as it comes in. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ferrosa I'll just go ahead and ask a 'Dark Shikari' question here: Why would we entrust you with such a large sum of ISK, what have you guys done in the past 200M sent It is actually a good question. While in the past, no single person has had access to over a few 10s of billions, now someone will have access to 500 billion--something that would make even the most trustworthy players flinch. Will the ISK be sent piecewise to the various projects as it comes in, or will you wait until the full 500b investment comes in, which will probably take a few months? Hi Dark Yes, thats why the management team is presented in the documentation. We're going to parcel out the shopping baskets as they come in to the relevant station managers (and we've all met in RL btw) to handle. We have a online web reporting tool for the accountancy to keep track of cash flow. Chairman, ISS
Kaylanar Ortan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:34:00 - [24] What is the open vote on the shares for? Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:36:00 - [25] Originally by: SencneS With the information that has been freely given to me, some of your outposts are probably under threat, maybe the point of you losing them. I've also been told you hire Merc to defend your shippments and bases, just how much of this investment will go towards defence or is that handled by other income? Yes, IAC have set us -10. It's very disappointing and incomprehensible. Anyway this kind of thing happens (sometimes), but all costs which may be incurred by this event can be covered by our current liquid assets. Chairman, ISS
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:45:00 - [26] This is incredibly ambitious. One clarification; The profits derived from the already publically owned Outposts are not included in the profits for this venture correct? Or is any percentage of those profits that goes to ISS itself included? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Block Ukx	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:49:00 - [27] Minimum investment 20 shares @ 10,000,000 = 200,000,000. Am I Correct?
Elmar Solderi Gallente N4S	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Baun This is incredibly ambitious. One clarification; The profits derived from the already publically owned Outposts are not included in the profits for this venture correct? Or is any percentage of those profits that goes to ISS itself included? the current outposts are buissness as useally btw ffs some one make cassini shares worth while
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Elmar Solderi Originally by: Baun This is incredibly ambitious. One clarification; The profits derived from the already publically owned Outposts are not included in the profits for this venture correct? Or is any percentage of those profits that goes to ISS itself included? the current outposts are buissness as useally btw ffs some one make cassini shares worth while That doesnt actually answer my question. Let me restate? 1) Do any profits from the current public outposts go to ISS as an alliance? 2) If so are those included in the offering? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:11:00 - [30] Originally by: SencneS With the information that has been freely given to me, some of your outposts are probably under threat, maybe the point of you losing them. I've also been told you hire Merc to defend your shippments and bases, just how much of this investment will go towards defence or is that handled by other income? It is covered by other income, just like a large portion of the monthly dividends is already covered by existing ISS activities, without yet working the IPO capital. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Baun Let me restate? 1) Do any profits from the current public outposts go to ISS as an alliance? 2) If so are those included in the offering? 1) No 2) (No) The ISS does gain indirect benfit from controlling the outposts, and the ISSO pays no fees as operator of the stations. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:15:00 - [32] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 11/12/2006 02:15:35 Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Thetis Caldari NewDawn	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Thetis snip 5%: Investors get a base 5% Fixed guaranteed income. 5% - 10%: The next 5% is ISS Profit. 10% - 15%: Isk invested in higher risk investments and resultant profits dividended to shareholders. This is to enable some flexibility in being able to explore some more interesting ideas, but not impact ability to run the operation. Slighty differently worded question: You pay out 5% of investment in profits to Shareholders, 5% to the relevant Internal Departments. There is still 7% left. Does all 7% of that go to ventures? or would the initial Shareholder payouts be increased to 7%, and 5% be provided to Ventures? Or perhaps i mis-understand entirely? its possible, its late :p
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari It is actually a good question. While in the past, no single person has had access to over a few 10s of billions, now someone will have access to 500 billion--something that would make even the most trustworthy players flinch.[/url] I'm not flinching. We've already [url=http://www.eve-iss.com/isso/4.asp]managed ~240bn isk[/url] for over a year, and once it gets rolling into projects, there isn't that much all in once place at any time. Quote: Will the ISK be sent piecewise to the various projects as it comes in, or will you wait until the full 500b investment comes in, which will probably take a few months? The ISK goes straight to work. My objective is to raise the total value of those shares to 1000bn, which means no waiting around. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:32:00 - [35] Definitely had to get into this one before EMFI does, there won't be anything left...
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:42:00 - [36] Based upon what you've posted in this thread, dividend will always be exactly 5%, since its 5% guaranteed, but anything over 5% will go towards salaries and reinvesting. Now to the question, will this always be 5% of IPO share value or will it be 5% of current share value as reported by ISS? Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.11 03:06:00 - [37] I've sent my isk already but I had a quick question. What is the "start time" for operations and is there a projected first dividend date? I looked in the Prospectus but didnt see one? Thank you. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.12.11 03:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Erfnam Based upon what you've posted in this thread, dividend will always be exactly 5%, since its 5% guaranteed, but anything over 5% will go towards salaries and reinvesting. Now to the question, will this always be 5% of IPO share value or will it be 5% of current share value as reported by ISS? Originally by: Serenity Steele 5%: Investors get a base 5% Fixed guaranteed income. 5% - 10%: The next 5% is ISS Profit. 10% - 15%: Isk invested in higher risk investments and resultant profits dividended to shareholders. This is to enable some flexibility in being able to explore some more interesting ideas, but not impact ability to run the operation.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 03:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Definitely had to get into this one before EMFI does, there won't be anything left... They probably will not sell 500b in shares for 6months-1 year. No reason to rush into this. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 05:03:00 - [40] Edited by: Nyphur on 11/12/2006 05:05:03 Originally by: Baun Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Definitely had to get into this one before EMFI does, there won't be anything left... They probably will not sell 500b in shares for 6months-1 year. No reason to rush into this. Given how fast they have sold in the first few hours late at night, I'm more optimistic about that than you are and than I used to be. Count was very impressed with the uptake when he went to bed. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sria Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.11 05:09:00 - [41] Because by nature I am impulsive and inclined to do highly irrational things on a whim I sent 200mil (my original balance being 215 hundred million) and am curious. I have never done this before but for the 5% dividend does that mean 5% of my 200 mil a month? Co-Founder of Xenu Nuclear Technologies
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 11/12/2006 05:05:03 Originally by: Baun Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Definitely had to get into this one before EMFI does, there won't be anything left... They probably will not sell 500b in shares for 6months-1 year. No reason to rush into this. Given how fast they have sold in the first few hours late at night, I'm more optimistic about that than you are and than I used to be. Count was very impressed with the uptake when he went to bed. Look at how long EFS took. No matter how great your day has been so far you must still have about 3 times the most money any IPO has ever raised left to raise. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Sria Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:49:00 - [43] Is it possible to get a refund, lol! I did not realize it would take so long for the wheels to get rolling. Co-Founder of Xenu Nuclear Technologies
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Sria Is it possible to get a refund, lol! I did not realize it would take so long for the wheels to get rolling. My post has nothing to do with the rate of return it has to do with the rate of collection of isk for their venture. If they promised 5% they will give 5%. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Sria Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:00:00 - [45] Oh, I was under the impression though that the returns did not start until all the shares were sold. and since you're actively posting do you mind explaining the concept of the return? is it 5% per share? And if so, how much is that per share? 500k? I suck at math Co-Founder of Xenu Nuclear Technologies
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Sria is it 5% per share? And if so, how much is that per share? 500k? I suck at math It should be yes. This return is every month. So if you do not reinvest it will take 20 months (1.6667 years) to return your investment. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Sria Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:18:00 - [47] Well, I would still be interested in a refund however I cannot stress how much I would understand if this was not possible :P Co-Founder of Xenu Nuclear Technologies
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:42:00 - [48] Edited by: voogru on 11/12/2006 08:49:13 It's unfortunate that ISS failed to properly deal with a group of ISK farmers that to this day remain in their alliance. Back in July I contacted the CEO of a corporation known as "HCIB Industrial", after finding 4 of their members were blatant ISK farmers (NOT MACRO MINERS). After talking with the CEO, against my advice the CEO then kicked the members from the corp in an effort to protect them against a war. He claimed they were legitimate players (so whyÆd he kick them from the corp?) After communicating with the CEO about my displeasure about their actions, I offered them a handsome reward to attack the members they kicked out of the corp, and he accepted this offer. However, the CEO then blocked me when I was going to ask him about the status his promises, I then war dec'ed HCIB, and HCIB then joined ISS in order to avoid my corp war. ISS of course claimed that I wanted easy kills, so I took this opportunity to make them eat their words and raise awareness of the issue by locking down several freighters, and letting them go with no ransom or shots fired, unfortunately ISS wasnÆt moved by this. Oh, and just for your information, HCIB was booted from ISS for violating NAPÆs, but were re-accepted into the alliance immediately when I war decÆed them for the second time. Hmmà Since then, I have caught members of the HCIB Industrial Corporation in blatant ISK farming transactions. I figured anyone who is planning on investing in ISS should be aware of their past activities. If anyone wants more information feel free to contact me in the game, I am able to back up everything I say and you might actually learn something. Count TaSessine, Serenity Steele, itÆs not too late to resolve this issue. To all of the flamers that say IÆm full of it and canÆt prove anything, go fly an Ibis into the sun. If your a potential investor, it would be unfair of me not to speak up about this, because you should know what you are putting your hard earned money into, especially when we are dealing with an extraordinary amount of ISK like 500,000,000,000 ISK.
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:42:00 - [49] Few reasons why i won't invest in this: 1. It's a HUUUGE amount of isk, could lead anyone to betrayal (scam). 2. This IPO will take a very long time to get sold out (if ever), meaning the share price won't rise at all for a long time. 3. Look at all the big IPO's so far, their shares rose nicely at start, but thens tarted falling (BMBE selling below cost, peple selling EMFI shares at IPO price etc.) 4. If i suddenly need liquid isk after having bought shares here, i won't even be able to sell my shares at ipo price, due tot he ipo still being open (as all shares aren't sold), so i will have to sell below ipo price. Big IPO's have shown to be far less succesful than small IPO's. ---------------------------------
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:30:00 - [50] "By investing your hard-stolen ISK in ISS, you help increase traffic in 0.0 space with hapless Empire haulers." You guys own. We Recruit!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:20:00 - [51] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 11:41:23 Originally by: voogru It's unfortunate that ISS failed to properly deal with a group of ISK farmers that to this day remain in their alliance. Back in July I contacted the CEO of a corporation known as "HCIB Industrial", after finding 4 of their members were blatant ISK farmers (NOT MACRO MINERS). After talking with the CEO, against my advice the CEO then kicked the members from the corp in an effort to protect them against a war. He claimed they were legitimate players (so whyÆd he kick them from the corp?) After communicating with the CEO about my displeasure about their actions, I offered them a handsome reward to attack the members they kicked out of the corp, and he accepted this offer. However, the CEO then blocked me when I was going to ask him about the status his promises, I then war dec'ed HCIB, and HCIB then joined ISS in order to avoid my corp war. ISS of course claimed that I wanted easy kills, so I took this opportunity to make them eat their words and raise awareness of the issue by locking down several freighters, and letting them go with no ransom or shots fired, unfortunately ISS wasnÆt moved by this. Oh, and just for your information, HCIB was booted from ISS for violating NAPÆs, but were re-accepted into the alliance immediately when I war decÆed them for the second time. Hmmà Since then, I have caught members of the HCIB Industrial Corporation in blatant ISK farming transactions. I figured anyone who is planning on investing in ISS should be aware of their past activities. If anyone wants more information feel free to contact me in the game, I am able to back up everything I say and you might actually learn something. Count TaSessine, Serenity Steele, itÆs not too late to resolve this issue. To all of the flamers that say IÆm full of it and canÆt prove anything, go fly an Ibis into the sun. If your a potential investor, it would be unfair of me not to speak up about this, because you should know what you are putting your hard earned money into, especially when we are dealing with an extraordinary amount of ISK like 500,000,000,000 ISK. Voogru knows what he's talking about. Don't ignore him. If the whole of ISS becomes public, it must deal with its internal issues. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.11 14:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 11:41:23 Originally by: voogru It's unfortunate that ISS failed to properly deal with a group of ISK farmers that to this day remain in their alliance. Back in July I contacted the CEO of a corporation known as "HCIB Industrial", after finding 4 of their members were blatant ISK farmers (NOT MACRO MINERS). After talking with the CEO, against my advice the CEO then kicked the members from the corp in an effort to protect them against a war. He claimed they were legitimate players (so whyÆd he kick them from the corp?) After communicating with the CEO about my displeasure about their actions, I offered them a handsome reward to attack the members they kicked out of the corp, and he accepted this offer. However, the CEO then blocked me when I was going to ask him about the status his promises, I then war dec'ed HCIB, and HCIB then joined ISS in order to avoid my corp war. ISS of course claimed that I wanted easy kills, so I took this opportunity to make them eat their words and raise awareness of the issue by locking down several freighters, and letting them go with no ransom or shots fired, unfortunately ISS wasnÆt moved by this. Oh, and just for your information, HCIB was booted from ISS for violating NAPÆs, but were re-accepted into the alliance immediately when I war decÆed them for the second time. Hmmà Since then, I have caught members of the HCIB Industrial Corporation in blatant ISK farming transactions. I figured anyone who is planning on investing in ISS should be aware of their past activities. If anyone wants more information feel free to contact me in the game, I am able to back up everything I say and you might actually learn something. Count TaSessine, Serenity Steele, itÆs not too late to resolve this issue. To all of the flamers that say IÆm full of it and canÆt prove anything, go fly an Ibis into the sun. If your a potential investor, it would be unfair of me not to speak up about this, because you should know what you are putting your hard earned money into, especially when we are dealing with an extraordinary amount of ISK like 500,000,000,000 ISK. Voogru knows what he's talking about. Don't ignore him. If the whole of ISS becomes public, it must deal with its internal issues. or one could invest in this new venture, in the hopes that it does as well as previous iss ventures? or one could throw their isk away at ventures where people talk a lot, but don't pay any amount of isk in divs, ever. whatever. their presentation looks very nice, i see it answered a lot of smart alec questions before they could even be asked. bravo.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 11:41:23 Originally by: voogru It's unfortunate that ISS failed to properly deal with a group of ISK farmers that to this day remain in their alliance. Back in July I contacted the CEO of a corporation known as "HCIB Industrial", after finding 4 of their members were blatant ISK farmers (NOT MACRO MINERS). After talking with the CEO, against my advice the CEO then kicked the members from the corp in an effort to protect them against a war. He claimed they were legitimate players (so whyÆd he kick them from the corp?) After communicating with the CEO about my displeasure about their actions, I offered them a handsome reward to attack the members they kicked out of the corp, and he accepted this offer. However, the CEO then blocked me when I was going to ask him about the status his promises, I then war dec'ed HCIB, and HCIB then joined ISS in order to avoid my corp war. ISS of course claimed that I wanted easy kills, so I took this opportunity to make them eat their words and raise awareness of the issue by locking down several freighters, and letting them go with no ransom or shots fired, unfortunately ISS wasnÆt moved by this. Oh, and just for your information, HCIB was booted from ISS for violating NAPÆs, but were re-accepted into the alliance immediately when I war decÆed them for the second time. Hmmà Since then, I have caught members of the HCIB Industrial Corporation in blatant ISK farming transactions. I figured anyone who is planning on investing in ISS should be aware of their past activities. If anyone wants more information feel free to contact me in the game, I am able to back up everything I say and you might actually learn something. Count TaSessine, Serenity Steele, itÆs not too late to resolve this issue. To all of the flamers that say IÆm full of it and canÆt prove anything, go fly an Ibis into the sun. If your a potential investor, it would be unfair of me not to speak up about this, because you should know what you are putting your hard earned money into, especially when we are dealing with an extraordinary amount of ISK like 500,000,000,000 ISK. Voogru knows what he's talking about. Don't ignore him. If the whole of ISS becomes public, it must deal with its internal issues. or one could invest in this new venture, in the hopes that it does as well as previous iss ventures? or one could throw their isk away at ventures where people talk a lot, but don't pay any amount of isk in divs, ever. whatever. their presentation looks very nice, i see it answered a lot of smart alec questions before they could even be asked. bravo. Where in my post did I say not to invest in ISS? I myself plan to toss a billion or two minimum their way. What I said is that now they are a publicly owned alliance, they must confront their issues publicly also. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:14:00 - [54] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 11/12/2006 17:14:49 seems that they (ISS) have been making tons of isk doing things their own way thus far. if they had a pirate (or semi-pirate) corp in their ranks, we'd be hearing, "oh, you need to get rid of those." but i guess there will always be people trying to enforce their will/opinion on others. even if the others are doing quite well on their own, sans said opinion. as long as the dividends are nice, i say, more power to them in how they've been conducting business. more companies should pay attention and learn from what the successful companies do. successful here is only from an investor's standpoint... i.e. solid stock that you can resell easily, and nice divs. twist, whine, whatever, don't care. more power to you ISS!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:17:00 - [55] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd if they had a pirate (or semi-pirate) corp in their ranks, we'd be hearing, "oh, you need to get rid of those." but i guess there will always be people trying to enforce their will/opinion on others. even if the others are doing quite well on their own, sans said opinion. ISK farming and selling is against the EULA and bannable. It is not endorsed by CCP, and anyone attempting to justify it is wrong. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Pizi Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Dark Shikari ISK farming and selling is against the EULA and bannable. It is not endorsed by CCP, and anyone attempting to justify it is wrong. absolutly true but a post on the forums is hardly a proof , report them and let the GM¦s handle it. noone here can proof if someone is macroin or multiaccounting and sirt infront of 5 computers _______________________________________________ EVEpedia [Deutsch/German] Say no to BMs
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:50:00 - [57] To all fairness on ISS, it also depends on what they where told.. If these ISK farmers told ISS, "We are looking to join your alliance and will pay your fees in turn we will sell our ore/minerals and refine at your stations." Why would ISS be to blame for these peoples lies? Acceptance into the alliance is only as good as the information they have. Now I'm willing to believe these ISK farmers used ISS to worm their way out of a WAR, but we don't know the other side of the story. Just as we can only go off the information and history ISS has shown. I for one have taken the largest risk I have so far in Investments. I never wanted to invest any more then 100mil in a corp, because 100mil is easy to get. However I took 1/5 of my wealth and invested 250mil in this IPO. The reason is based on a lot of information and I happen to know for a fact that ISS's Outpost is Catch is under serious threat from IAC. And I still invested a good amount of my wallet. I think it does come down to Track Record, accountability, Trust, and Public opinion, at least for me it does, before people invest. So far all of those are relatively high apart from Public Opinion which is probably the lowest factor.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:03:00 - [58] It is disturbing that ISS management have not really confronted the issue/accusations. The actions of ISS and the accused are very suspicious. What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? When will be the first dividend? Will the dividend be at least 5% of the share value? What are your plans when you do not raise 500b after 6 months? 12 months? Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Pizi Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Erfnam It is disturbing that ISS management have not really confronted the issue/accusations. The actions of ISS and the accused are very suspicious. What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? When will be the first dividend? Will the dividend be at least 5% of the share value? What are your plans when you do not raise 500b after 6 months? 12 months? have you ever read the document most of your answers are there _______________________________________________ EVEpedia [Deutsch/German] Say no to BMs
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:37:00 - [60] Edited by: voogru on 11/12/2006 18:41:19 Originally by: Pizi Originally by: Dark Shikari ISK farming and selling is against the EULA and bannable. It is not endorsed by CCP, and anyone attempting to justify it is wrong. absolutly true but a post on the forums is hardly a proof , report them and let the GM¦s handle it. noone here can proof if someone is macroin or multiaccounting and sirt infront of 5 computers GM's are probably so busy, they usually have little time to investigate these types of issues, of course I report these issues, but it takes time for them to be dealt with. Meanwhile, it's possible to prove that ISK farming is going on, and action can be taken by the players to hurt their operations. Because by the time a GM gets to them, they might have been able to farm for quite a while. Please take note I rarely ever accuse "farmers" as "macro mining", they are two different things. Originally by: SencneS To all fairness on ISS, it also depends on what they where told.. If these ISK farmers told ISS, "We are looking to join your alliance and will pay your fees in turn we will sell our ore/minerals and refine at your stations." Why would ISS be to blame for these peoples lies? Acceptance into the alliance is only as good as the information they have. When someone comes in with a substantial amount of proof that they are indeed, lying, and trying to use ISS as a shield from a war, TWICE., it is then ISS's failure to act, either because they do not believe me, or are just turning a blind eye to the problem.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Erfnam It is disturbing that ISS management have not really confronted the issue/accusations. The actions of ISS and the accused are very suspicious. What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? (no mention of this in the doc and ISS has not been very good about public reporting in the past) When will be the first dividend? (No mention of this in the doc...I don't want assumptions...I want a clear answer from ISS) Will the dividend be at least 5% of the share value? (Will share value ever change?) What are your plans when you do not raise 500b after 6 months? 12 months? (expanded upon last question) Will shares be eternally sold at 10m each? Or will the IPO be closed at some point? Pizi, I am unable to find mention of you as an ISS representative. If I am mistaken, my apologies and you should update forum settings to show alliance and also the ISS site and documentation to mention your roles. Otherwise, don't answer questions you are not in a position to answer. Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Pizi Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:41:00 - [62] im in no way or form an ISS representant nor am i trying to impose one i think _______________________________________________ EVEpedia [Deutsch/German] Say no to BMs
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:04:00 - [63] Originally by: voogru Originally by: SencneS To all fairness on ISS, it also depends on what they where told.. If these ISK farmers told ISS, "We are looking to join your alliance and will pay your fees in turn we will sell our ore/minerals and refine at your stations." Why would ISS be to blame for these peoples lies? Acceptance into the alliance is only as good as the information they have. When someone comes in with a substantial amount of proof that they are indeed, lying, and trying to use ISS as a shield from a war, TWICE., it is then ISS's failure to act, either because they do not believe me, or are just turning a blind eye to the problem. You missed the important part of my post "We only know one side of the story." Maybe they did have some sort of agreement, maybe ISS did turn a blind eye. Maybe you're the one lieing. With only one side of the story we can't exactly make an informed choice. Don't take this the wrong way, you are still only one person. Even with proof that confirms what you are saying is true. ISS may have had a reason for doing this, but we don't know what it could be. If anything these ISK farmers are abusing ISS's good will. There is such as thing as "Being to nice is a bad thing." If we take everything you said as Gold the only issue I have with ISS is they are being too nice, and they should Cut them loose if they are draining resources from the corp. Then again being nice is not exactly a bad trait.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Baun Look at how long EFS took. No matter how great your day has been so far you must still have about 3 times the most money any IPO has ever raised left to raise. EFS was a grassroots initiative and it took months for people to trust enough to invest a lot of isk into that. ISS has made many IPOs in the past and they've all performed amicably (albiet some better than others). Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sria hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:58:00 - [65] selling shares 9 mil a piece :P Co-Founder of Xenu Nuclear Technologies
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 11/12/2006 20:13:12 Originally by: Erfnam It is disturbing that ISS management have not really confronted the issue/accusations. The actions of ISS and the accused are very suspicious. We have answered voogru on several occasions. (Will edit this post when I find the thread). ISS's position on the matter is that it is an issue for the GMs to take action on ISK Farmers and Voogru should report them there. In the event we are aware of trangressions of the EULA, we will report those as well, regardless of which corporation or alliance the player is in - including the ISS. To answer your other questions; What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Monthly reporting on the Key Performance Indicators required to manage the ISSO. Total profitability, Dividend Amounts, Total Stock, Current division of capital by Activity. Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? Please provide linkage to Stuff's reporting :) When will be the first dividend? 2 Jan 2006. (1st Jan we'll be hungover). Will the dividend be at least 5% of the share value? The dividend will be 5% of the share value for the first months until return on capital exceeds 10%. What are your plans when you do not raise 500b after 6 months? 12 months? Initially, the total scale of the objectives may change slightly, however the mix of activities and return on shares will remain to plan. ISS will then use their profits from the plan (ie. after dividend) to buy the remaining shares. The plan doesn't rely on the total amount of shares to be sold to start. We have already started working the first 30bn of capital received. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:20:00 - [67] Edited by: voogru on 11/12/2006 20:22:18 Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Erfnam It is disturbing that ISS management have not really confronted the issue/accusations. The actions of ISS and the accused are very suspicious. We have answered voogru on several occasions. (Will edit this post when I find the thread). ISS's position on the matter is that it is an issue for the GMs to take action on ISK Farmers and Voogru should report them there. In the event we are aware of trangressions of the EULA, we will report those as well, regardless of which corporation or alliance the player is in - including the ISS. The problem, in the meantime, they are using ISS resources and making more money because of being in an alliance, they are also virtually immune to a war, making it so I can't effectivly take action against them myself without an expensive war with ISS. I provided you with evidence which you, said was suspecious, but you still do not want to do anything to stop the farming.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Pizi Originally by: Dark Shikari ISK farming and selling is against the EULA and bannable. It is not endorsed by CCP, and anyone attempting to justify it is wrong. absolutly true but a post on the forums is hardly a proof , report them and let the GM¦s handle it. noone here can proof if someone is macroin or multiaccounting and sirt infront of 5 computers But ISK selling is provable within the game, and if you talk to Voogru, you could learn his methods for finding these people. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Dark Shikari But ISK selling is provable within the game, and if you talk to Voogru, you could learn his methods for finding these people. Dark Shikari, we didn't get sny PROOF from voogru. He provided information but it wasn't proof. And you know that this is off-topic for the thread, take it in-game please. If you have proof (and I mean proof, not anecdotes), mail me it and the corp will be removed. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:02:00 - [70] Originally by: voogru The problem, in the meantime, they are using ISS resources and making more money because of being in an alliance, they are also virtually immune to a war, making it so I can't effectivly take action against them myself without an expensive war with ISS. I provided you with evidence which you, said was suspecious, but you still do not want to do anything to stop the farming. Yes, I also said it should be reported to the GMs, and if you hadn't done so I would do so. If you wish to keep discussion open further on this topic, get a new thread. And type it into the convo you're in with me right now New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:18:00 - [71] Any futher conversation about this issue, either make another thread or contact me in the game. I've made my point in this thread.
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:40:00 - [72] Any plans to introduce these shares on the EGSE, or otherwise encourage trading with them? (assuming they sell out in the near future of course )
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Barbicane Any plans to introduce these shares on the EGSE, or otherwise encourage trading with them? (assuming they sell out in the near future of course ) they're already trading on the RESX.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Serenity Steele To answer your other questions; What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Monthly reporting on the Key Performance Indicators required to manage the ISSO. Total profitability, Dividend Amounts, Total Stock, Current division of capital by Activity. I look forward to the first report. Quote: Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? Please provide linkage to Stuff's reporting :) As per your request. Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:12:00 - [75] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 22:12:29 Originally by: Serenity Steele Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? Please provide linkage to Stuff's reporting :) I really have not provided that much detail (though as per the above post I did mention a lot about internal workings in the thread)... but there is information (including FAQs and the like on how the corporation works) at our website. Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dark Shikari But ISK selling is provable within the game, and if you talk to Voogru, you could learn his methods for finding these people. Dark Shikari, we didn't get sny PROOF from voogru. He provided information but it wasn't proof. I wouldn't know. I didn't say it was proof in this particular case--I simply said it is possible to prove that someone is an ISK seller. Anyways, you're right about this being off-topic. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:22:00 - [76] Originally by: Barbicane Any plans to introduce these shares on the EGSE, or otherwise encourage trading with them? (assuming they sell out in the near future of course ) Yes, the application to be listed on EGSE is already in. As soon as it completes their requirements (3 brokers to review), then it will be listed as tradeable. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Barbicane Any plans to introduce these shares on the EGSE, or otherwise encourage trading with them? (assuming they sell out in the near future of course ) Yes, the application to be listed on EGSE is already in. As soon as it completes their requirements (3 brokers to review), then it will be listed as tradeable. I'll be a broker if required. (They get like 3% comission, right? ^^) Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:27:00 - [78] Originally by: Erfnam Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? Please provide linkage to Stuff's reporting :) As per your request. Yes it will match/exceed that level of reporting. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:33:00 - [79] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 22:33:56 Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Erfnam Will it match the level of detail provided by STUFF? Please provide linkage to Stuff's reporting :) As per your request. Yes it will match/exceed that level of reporting. Good, good Next question. Lets say 100 billion (20% of shares) have sold so far and profit for the month is 2 billion. Will the dividend be 2% to each of the sold shares (i.e. a total dividend of 10b with 8b kept by corp wallet and 2b sent out) or will it be a 2b total dividend, so investors only get 0.4%? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Dark Shikari Next question. Lets say 100 billion (20% of shares) have sold so far and profit for the month is 2 billion. Will the dividend be 2% to each of the sold shares (i.e. a total dividend of 10b with 8b kept by corp wallet and 2b sent out) or will it be a 2b total dividend, so investors only get 0.4%? 5% of 100b is 5b. If you notice the document, a minimum return on investment of 5% is guarateed. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Dark Shikari Next question. Lets say 100 billion (20% of shares) have sold so far and profit for the month is 2 billion. Will the dividend be 2% to each of the sold shares (i.e. a total dividend of 10b with 8b kept by corp wallet and 2b sent out) or will it be a 2b total dividend, so investors only get 0.4%? Good Question, I'm glad you asked :) The Scenario you describe If only 100bn shares are sold in the first month, profit will be 5bn to shareholders (Fixed Guarantee). Those holders of the 100bn shares will receive 5bn in total dividends, divided amongst them by shares owned. As there are 500bn of total shares, this would on require a 25bn dividend to get the 5bn to the shareholders. In practice, we are actively working all the cash, so it would be achieved by a means other than 25bn cash ISK in a single dividend. The solution is thus in the scenario you describe The ISSO will issue 5 x 5bn ISK dividends on the same day. Why is that the same for the shareholders and the ISSO? 80% of each 5bn dividend will return to ISSO wallet (4bn) and the other 20% (1bn) will end up in the shareholder wallets. 5 dividends x 1bn = 5bn = 5% as promised to the shareholders of 100bn in shares. What is that better than a single 25bn ISK dividend? This solution only requires 10bn in cash ISK. Thus the majority of capital (Remaining 90%) can continue to be actively used in investments. Again, In Practice, the ISSO tends to have 10bn in cashflow anyway, so 100% of the IPO capital will be working. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Dark Shikari Next question. Lets say 100 billion (20% of shares) have sold so far and profit for the month is 2 billion. Will the dividend be 2% to each of the sold shares (i.e. a total dividend of 10b with 8b kept by corp wallet and 2b sent out) or will it be a 2b total dividend, so investors only get 0.4%? Good Question, I'm glad you asked :) The Scenario you describe If only 100bn shares are sold in the first month, profit will be 5bn to shareholders (Fixed Guarantee). Those holders of the 100bn shares will receive 5bn in total dividends, divided amongst them by shares owned. As there are 500bn of total shares, this would on require a 25bn dividend to get the 5bn to the shareholders. In practice, we are actively working all the cash, so it would be achieved by a means other than 25bn cash ISK in a single dividend. The solution is thus in the scenario you describe The ISSO will issue 5 x 5bn ISK dividends on the same day. Why is that the same for the shareholders and the ISSO? 80% of each 5bn dividend will return to ISSO wallet (4bn) and the other 20% (1bn) will end up in the shareholder wallets. 5 dividends x 1bn = 5bn = 5% as promised to the shareholders of 100bn in shares. What is that better than a single 25bn ISK dividend? This solution only requires 10bn in cash ISK. Thus the majority of capital (Remaining 90%) can continue to be actively used in investments. Again, In Practice, the ISSO tends to have 10bn in cashflow anyway, so 100% of the IPO capital will be working. Good, so it will be an actual % to shareholders. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Aversin Gallente JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:35:00 - [83] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 00:03:49 5 0 0 b i l l i o n ?! Note to the noobs: the above is a link. Note to the l33t h4xors, the above is stupidly complicated forumcode... hover over the various letters to see what I mean. omg is darki shikari a /B/TARD? Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:38:00 - [84] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 23:39:36 Originally by: Aversin Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 00:03:49 5 0 0 b i l l i o n ?! Note to the noobs: the above is a link. Note to the l33t h4xors, the above is stupidly complicated forumcode... hover over the various letters to see what I mean. omg is darki shikari a /B/TARD? Nope. I've actually never clicked on a link going to /b/. Its my own personal policy. On the other hand, its impossible to ignore the sewage from /b/ that drips over the side of 4chan and flows across the rest of the internet. I know quite a number of the 4chan memes. By the way, i herd u liek mudkips -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Aversin Gallente JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 23:39:36 Originally by: Aversin Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 00:03:49 5 0 0 b i l l i o n ?! Note to the noobs: the above is a link. Note to the l33t h4xors, the above is stupidly complicated forumcode... hover over the various letters to see what I mean. omg is darki shikari a /B/TARD? Nope. I've actually never clicked on a link going to /b/. Its my own personal policy. On the other hand, its impossible to ignore the sewage from /b/ that drips over the side of 4chan and flows across the rest of the internet. I know quite a number of the 4chan memes. By the way, i herd u liek mudkips no one ever admits how big of a /b/tard they are the first time you ask :) However back on topic, plan sounds good to me, I'll probbly buy a few shares. Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 00:42:00 - [86] Originally by: Aversin no one ever admits how big of a /b/tard they are the first time you ask :) Everything I know about /b/ I've learned from Wakachan's /azu/, a friend of mine who posts on /b/, and Encyclopaedia Dramatica (warning: Dramatica is NOT worksafe). -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 03:49:00 - [87] Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility?
Phoenix Pryde Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:06:00 - [88] As former public spokesmen of the TRUST ingame alliance (disbanded in april) i request changing the description of the Cassini OP on page 4 of your ISSO IPO document (Linkage). The description is outright wrong. D2 did not even exist at that time. BoB seized the station from TRUST alliance. Following TRUST's retaking of the station it was sold to ISS who then made it into the Cassini IPO. Again, it wasnt D2 who sold it, but TRUST. regards Phoenix Pryde TRUST Shop // Infinite Improbability Inc [3-I]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:21:00 - [89] Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The IPO was planned long before the IAC declaration of war. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The IPO was planned long before the IAC declaration of war. That is not the issue. The issue is how will the IAC Declaration of Hostility impact ISS in meeting its goals?
SibSpi	Posted - 2006.12.12 05:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The IPO was planned long before the IAC declaration of war. That is not the issue. The issue is how will the IAC Declaration of Hostility impact ISS in meeting its goals? I think ISS has enough ISK to throw at this speed bump to overcome it.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:33:00 - [92] Originally by: Serenity Steele The solution is thus in the scenario you describe The ISSO will issue 5 x 5bn ISK dividends on the same day. Why is that the same for the shareholders and the ISSO? 80% of each 5bn dividend will return to ISSO wallet (4bn) and the other 20% (1bn) will end up in the shareholder wallets. 5 dividends x 1bn = 5bn = 5% as promised to the shareholders of 100bn in shares. What is that better than a single 25bn ISK dividend? This solution only requires 10bn in cash ISK. Thus the majority of capital (Remaining 90%) can continue to be actively used in investments. Again, In Practice, the ISSO tends to have 10bn in cashflow anyway, so 100% of the IPO capital will be working. Not that you have the option of doing a 25b ISK dividend. I haven't tested it out, but pre kali, it was capped at 2b per dividend. Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Erfnam Not that you have the option of doing a 25b ISK dividend. I haven't tested it out, but pre kali, it was capped at 2b per dividend. That just means you have to do multiple dividend payments, it's not a problem. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Ferrosa Gallente Lyonesse Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:46:00 - [94] 32-bit storage ftl Official broker at the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange
Apple Blossom	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The extra activity around KDF/ZX will probably mean bumper profits for the shareholders and ISSO. As long as they actually hold the outposts that is.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:43:00 - [96] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 12/12/2006 19:43:00 ISS IPO reduces barriers for small investors until 23:00 Eve-Time. We've raised over 60bn isk in the first 48hours, however with 86 Investors. To expand the pool of investors, we will accept 100m (10 shares) as minimum investment. This opportunity is available until 23:00 eve-time tonight. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Mr Popov Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:36:00 - [97] Edited by: Mr Popov on 12/12/2006 20:36:32 Does ISS operate an in-game mailing list or channel for potential (and existing) investors? Originally by: Sun Tzu All warfare is based on deception.
Dreck Morrison Amarr No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:39:00 - [98] I know it is just a typo..... but you said the first dividend was to start January 2 2006. I hope it is 2007. Dreck
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:14:00 - [99] Originally by: Mr Popov Does ISS operate an in-game mailing list or channel for potential (and existing) investors? We have ISS Public, although it's not specifically for IPO discussions. You're also welcome to convo me during the IPO. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Dreck Morrison I know it is just a typo..... but you said the first dividend was to start January 2 2006. I hope it is 2007. Dreck Thanks for pointing it out, edited the post. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Apple Blossom Originally by: Aeaus Am I the only one mildly concerned by the timing of this IPO in such close proximety to IACs declaration of hostility? The extra activity around KDF/ZX will probably mean bumper profits for the shareholders and ISSO. As long as they actually hold the outposts that is. During and following the last major war in the south, profits from ISS Providence temporarilly doubled and I believe at least 50% of that increase was attributable directly to the war. So yes, war is GOOD for business. Given that experience, I expect the shopping baskets described in the IPO document to perform extremely well. And I wouldn't worry about the outposts :). Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:53:00 - [102] OK, my 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood, and Kieron's belly lint. C'mon, haggle with me!!! Now your sig is mine MUAHAHAHAHAHA - Xorus

solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:40:00 - [103] In an earlier post the count stated Quote: but all costs which may be incurred by this event can be covered by our current liquid assets. if this the case why did the ISS have to have a 3 1/2 hour firesale of shares just before the MC,veto ect rolled into action?
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:44:00 - [104] I'm curious as what happens to the shares if ISS loses it's stations. (Don't take this is a flame it's a legit question)
Shadarle	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:48:00 - [105] Excuse me for my noobishness in this regard, but how are stocks/dividends actually handled? Is there an actual in game system for such payments? I've got a large sum of ISK from trading but I figure it may be a good time to start investing it in some bigger ventures. I like the concepts behind this but I just want to better understand the actual in-game handling of things before investing possibly billions of isk :) ********************************************** Tank Rankings - Ships & Fittings Compared! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:54:00 - [106] second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost?
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:58:00 - [107] Originally by: solidshot second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost? Building carriers and dreads? hardly likely. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:04:00 - [108] considering these are likely to be supplying other alliances that will very likely be involved in hostilities it possibly could as you will be seen as aiding and abbeting (sp) them and this will hardeley help your attempts to look neutral will it? PS is anyone gonna answer my first question?
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:09:00 - [109] Originally by: solidshot considering these are likely to be supplying other alliances that will very likely be involved in hostilities it possibly could as you will be seen as aiding and abbeting (sp) them and this will hardeley help your attempts to look neutral will it? PS is anyone gonna answer my first question? There is a unsatifyed, demand by prety much every alliance in the game for more capital, Weapons of mass destruktion dosnt kil, the pilots do! Pun a saide, how woud it make us more unneutral than alot of other empire corperations ? Demand = profit = isk = whats iss is all abut! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:57:00 - [110] i demand a pink titan be built for lilan
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:23:00 - [111] Originally by: Layla Currie i demand a pink titan be built for lilan Woudnt that make me KoS to Eris? Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:28:00 - [112] Originally by: solidshot In an earlier post the count stated Quote: but all costs which may be incurred by this event can be covered by our current liquid assets. if this the case why did the ISS have to have a 3 1/2 hour firesale of shares just before the MC,veto ect rolled into action? It wasn't a fire sale, it was simply to increase the diversity of Investors and provide an opportunity for small investors to participate. The main reason for the minimum limit is to reduce total potential transactions. When I have a free evening to process a lot of transactions, I can lower it again. Last night they were coming in faster than I could fill them. The ISK from the capital raised has been used only as the plan as states. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:31:00 - [113] Originally by: Layla Currie I'm curious as what happens to the shares if ISS loses it's stations. (Don't take this is a flame it's a legit question) The dividend on the shares will remain at the minimum fixed return guarantee of 5% for a longer period of time. Loss of the ISS Marginis, Tycho, Borealis, Consido, Fabrica will not effect profitability immediately, as those stations are owned by shareholders of the individual ISS Outpost Corporations, not the ISSO. In the long term it may effect profitability as there are fewer isolated stations to deliver shopping baskets to. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Shadarle Excuse me for my noobishness in this regard, but how are stocks/dividends actually handled? Is there an actual in game system for such payments? I've got a large sum of ISK from trading but I figure it may be a good time to start investing it in some bigger ventures. I like the concepts behind this but I just want to better understand the actual in-game handling of things before investing possibly billions of isk :) There is an in-game mechanic for issuing dividends. It's under the corp management panel. Just click 'dividends' under the 'home' tab. Then select 'shareholders' and enter the amount of the dividend. The game then automatically divides the dividend proportionally amongst shareholders based on number of shares held. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:36:00 - [115] Originally by: solidshot second question as i have just had pointed out to me on page 5 of your info posted by the op you seem to be stateing that you will be going into the capital ship production business, isn't this likely to bring on trouble from certain other alliances? and risk your outpost's even further and put you in the same sitution trust was in before you were handed their outpost? We will not be building Motherships or Titans, so will not pose any kind of special risk. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:42:00 - [116] Originally by: Tirg OK, my 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood, and Kieron's belly lint. C'mon, haggle with me!!! Ok :) 5k starting isk, Wrangler's blood (as an IG item), the Prison Serial number of all 8+ Caldari Citizens who have impersonated me and been renamed, and .. um .. 5 perma stickies on the forum of my choice! New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:54:00 - [117] 20% of the shares are now sold (First 72hrs of IPO). New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Maltrox Minmatar United Salvage and Recovery	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:47:00 - [118] I'd like to point out something that was overlooked in preparation of ISSO, quote: Quote: ISS Cassini [ISSCA] ISS Managed IPO: 34Bn Total Managed: 172.5 Bn IPO Sell Time: 4 Hours BOB and ASCN seized this station from D2. After much debate, it was decided ISS should run it as a public venture. The station was sold to the Eve community and the profits went primarily to D2 (former TRUST). That's not accurate. The alliance formerly known as TRUST was not part of the alliance known as D2 at the time of the station takeover, nor did D2 exist as an official entity within the confines of the game code itself (barring any external press releases). Dusk and Dawn [D2] Established on 2006.04.08 Source TRUST officially announced it's dissoultion as an alliance on their website with the following news release: Quote: TRUST hereby announces the dissolvement of our alliance structure. The last weeks showed that some entities clearly did not respect our neutrality. It was expected that not everybody would embrace our n.... Source Saturday, April 08, 2006, 21:47 by Studi ============ Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? I bought some shares from FIN and when I asked about buyback, they refused. FIN will offer buyback at some stage but it's not an automatic guarantee to buy back shares at any time. I ended up selling them to someone else. I suppose you could do the same if required. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:32:00 - [120] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? I bought some shares from FIN and when I asked about buyback, they refused. FIN will offer buyback at some stage but it's not an automatic guarantee to buy back shares at any time. I ended up selling them to someone else. I suppose you could do the same if required. Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Maltrox Minmatar United Salvage and Recovery	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Dark Shikari Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. Re-read the FIN agreement very carefully ;) If there's no demand.... :P You're hooped.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:40:00 - [122] Originally by: Maltrox Originally by: Dark Shikari Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. Re-read the FIN agreement very carefully ;) If there's no demand.... :P You're hooped. I asked Eefrit if he would buy back, and he said he'd do a 95% buyback at any time... -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:20:00 - [123] Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? With other ISS IPOs, we have used EGSE, to place buy-orders at IPO Price minus broker fees. We are just waiting for ISSO to list, then will place up orders. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:49:00 - [124] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Maltrox Originally by: Dark Shikari Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. Re-read the FIN agreement very carefully ;) If there's no demand.... :P You're hooped. I asked Eefrit if he would buy back, and he said he'd do a 95% buyback at any time... I bought fairly early in the IPO. At the time, they said there was no buyback and they'd removed all buy orders from EGSE. Case of bad timing? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:58:00 - [125] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Maltrox Question: What recourse do share investors have if they wish to remove their investment with ISS? As an example, FIN offers a buyback policy. Does the ISSO have a similar offer? I bought some shares from FIN and when I asked about buyback, they refused. FIN will offer buyback at some stage but it's not an automatic guarantee to buy back shares at any time. I ended up selling them to someone else. I suppose you could do the same if required. I don't want to derail this thread, but with all due respect Nyphur I have no correspondence with you asking for a buy back. The "if there is a demand" is basically "if you ask". I'll tell you what I have told everyone that has asked. Buyback is 95% and we need at least 2 weeks notice in writing. Also it is limited to a total of 5% of ALL the invested capital. So right now we will not (due to cashflow) buy back more than about 7 Bill Isk in bonds a month. If you doubt this I can give you references for people that have made use of this already. Sincerely, EFS Manager
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:00:00 - [126] Originally by: Maltrox Originally by: Dark Shikari Huh? FIN has a buyback at 95% IPO price. Re-read the FIN agreement very carefully ;) If there's no demand.... :P You're hooped. No, you are not hooped. Basically I'm not putting up a buy order to buy back which ties Isk up unless there is a demand. So if nobody asks me to, then there is no demand. Could we please keep this on topic. If you have questions and or problems with FIN then feel free to contact myself, or start a new thread. Sincerely, EFS Manager
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.14 21:55:00 - [127] Originally by: EFS Manager I don't want to derail this thread, but with all due respect Nyphur I have no correspondence with you asking for a buy back. It's here, and I am pretty sure I evemailed you. It was perfectly understandable at the time and I didn't mean to accuse you of anything, relax ^^;. I sold the shares to someone else and all was well. And yeah, let's take this to private chat or something. This thread is very important for ISS to answer relevant questions about the IPO. No sense in having people wading through irrelevant posts to see if their question has been answered. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Shadarle	Posted - 2006.12.15 01:50:00 - [128] How long does it take to get confirmation of share purchases? :) ********************************************** Tank Rankings - Ships & Fittings Compared! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:32:00 - [129] Originally by: Shadarle How long does it take to get confirmation of share purchases? :) You can see confirm the shares were sent by looking in 'Wallet' under the 'Shares' tab. :) If you would like an EvEmail confirmation shares were sent, please send an EvEmail to me (Serenity Steele) and ensure your I'm added to your address book for no CSPA charges. I won't send a reply if CSPA charges are on - the charges really mess up auditing the share deliveries and ISK transactions. (I keep a private log of every transaction detail.) All shares have been delivered for currently sent ISK. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.15 14:00:00 - [130] Hmmm... question. Before the ISSO IPO, we were told this new IPO would exist to "take advantage of new possibilities created due to the Revelations patch" or something like that. Where in the business plan does it talk about this? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:22:00 - [131] Originally by: Dark Shikari Hmmm... question. Before the ISSO IPO, we were told this new IPO would exist to "take advantage of new possibilities created due to the Revelations patch" or something like that. Where in the business plan does it talk about this? It doesn't explicitly state how - we want to keep the competitive advantage on that one for the shareholders wallets New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:23:00 - [132] In case anyone missed it: ISSO IPO minimum buy reduce to 100m until Sunday 21:00 New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Maltrox Minmatar United Salvage and Recovery	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:51:00 - [133] Wired moolah :)
Coby Descent ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:04:00 - [134] You could have given us a hint that this was coming up, most of my money has recently been invested into other ventures . Isk sent for 200mil, all I can afford
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.15 22:47:00 - [135] Sent 250M this afternoon on behalf of "OPM Holdings", for 25 shares. I hope you pay as well as you promise Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Valmiki Caldari Ancient Skies	Posted - 2006.12.15 23:37:00 - [136] I've just sent 500m to you, good luck to your project
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.16 17:38:00 - [137] Originally by: Miranda Duvall Sent 250M this afternoon on behalf of "OPM Holdings", for 25 shares. I hope you pay as well as you promise Yes - 5% Fixed minimum Guarantee. Maltrox, Coby, Miranda, Valmiki, all your shares have been delivered. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
valeronx Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 01:01:00 - [138] ISK sent. :)
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.17 10:07:00 - [139] All shares delivered to everyone who sent ISK. Reminder: If you have CSPA charges on, you will not receive a response to EveMails. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:26:00 - [140] Check out this out-of-game article on the IPO: http://www.3pointd.com/20061214/eve-online-mega-corporation-goes-public/ :-) Chairman, ISS
Estel Istari	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:55:00 - [141] forgive my n00bness, but is it possible to buy shares and immediately trade them to other people? To be more specific, me and some friends would like to buy some but neither of us has enough isk to meet the minimum. Could we put some isk together to one person, let him buy the shares and then redistribute the shares among us so each of us has a few?
Balogh Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:25:00 - [142] Originally by: Estel Istari forgive my n00bness, but is it possible to buy shares and immediately trade them to other people? Yes.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:56:00 - [143] As 40% of the capital raised goes towards doing what ZERO. already does, I'd be happy to offer consultation, for a fee, on what sells well. Otherwise, I'll be needing royalty payments. MP P.S. 50m shopping basket per OP, 2 more outposts planned, 100m reserved--either mark the 100m as reserved for baskets in the two new outposts, or explain how you'll finance the baskets for new outpost(s).
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:18:00 - [144] Originally by: Motivated Prophet As 40% of the capital raised goes towards doing what ZERO. already does, I'd be happy to offer consultation, for a fee, on what sells well. Otherwise, I'll be needing royalty payments. MP P.S. 50m shopping basket per OP, 2 more outposts planned, 100m reserved--either mark the 100m as reserved for baskets in the two new outposts, or explain how you'll finance the baskets for new outpost(s). The portfolio is deliberately diversified, in order to balance multiple revenue streams and not put all eggs in one basket (if you'll pardon the double-double-pun). The 100m could go to shopping baskets, it could go to loans, it could go to more outposts. It all depends on overall financial market position as we progress. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:33:00 - [145] Why can't you just come out and admit that this is the operating budget for your PvP tournament team? Here are a few issues: This is 200b isk invested in t2 that then goes up on the markets. That's a commitment of at least a couple high-skills toons with a lot of market skills at level V (or one VERY-well-coordinated char with a LOT of jump clones). How is this being handled? Your 5% guarantee--is this handled by your personal isk, or is it a commitment to draw down capital? If the former, can you demonstrate sufficient isk to guarantee a month of two of payout, and what is your plan if you have to do this multiple months? In the event of a catastrophic failure that destroys a signficant portion of the invested isk (carrier goes BOOM, some portion of the isk gets carted off by a partner, etc., etc.), is the 5% guarantee carried across months? That is, if you lose 100b next month and earn 25b in February, do we see the 25b as dividends or does it go towards restoring missing capital? Your salary commitment works out to approximately 250 million isk per month at a 10% return. Divided eight (or more? fewer?) ways, this is not exactly a princely sum. What's in it for you? What is your personal capital position in this operation? (correlary to the last question) On average, each month, what are you looking to spend on exotic dancers, and how will this affect the market for them? How will you depreciate tech-2 assets in the event that (Invention \|\| additional blueprints \|\| the amusingly-staged banana-related death of Taiwanese National once I find him) hits the scene? In the event that this operation is a failure for whatever reason, what is the plan? Continue with lessened dividends, propped up by eating capital? Liquidate and remunerate? Something else? Portions of this post are are intended to be humorous. See if you can spot them. MP
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:13:00 - [146] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Here are a few issues: This is 200b isk invested in t2 that then goes up on the markets. That's a commitment of at least a couple high-skills toons with a lot of market skills at level V (or one VERY-well-coordinated char with a LOT of jump clones). How is this being handled? We need 100+ sell order slots per stations. This is a combination of trained mains + purpose generated alts. Your 5% guarantee--is this handled by your personal isk, or is it a commitment to draw down capital? If the former, can you demonstrate sufficient isk to guarantee a month of two of payout, and what is your plan if you have to do this multiple months? It's handled by a combination of existing ISS revenue (pre-IPO), being able to achieve 5% on working only half the ISK at 10% return (conservative estimate). In the event of a catastrophic failure that destroys a signficant portion of the invested isk (carrier goes BOOM, some portion of the isk gets carted off by a partner, etc., etc.), is the 5% guarantee carried across months? That is, if you lose 100b next month and earn 25b in February, do we see the 25b as dividends or does it go towards restoring missing capital? The 5% minimum guarantee is the guarantee. The 25bn goes to dividends. Your salary commitment works out to approximately 250 million isk per month at a 10% return. Divided eight (or more? fewer?) ways, this is not exactly a princely sum. What's in it for you? Realising a dream to expand infrastructure in 0.0 without having to write a new IPO document every 2 months. What is your personal capital position in this operation? (correlary to the last question) At this time, 10bn isk in shares. Rest is tied up in non-liquid assets in production. On average, each month, what are you looking to spend on exotic dancers, and how will this affect the market for them? I prefer Marines, however this is not a ISS Expense, it's a personal one. How will you depreciate tech-2 assets in the event that (Invention \|\| additional blueprints \|\| the amusingly-staged banana-related death of Taiwanese National once I find him) hits the scene? The Alliance isn't basing the investments on Tech II assets, although the people wanting to borrow do. So loans are secured against a (low) valuation of the Tech II BPOs. In the event that this operation is a failure for whatever reason, what is the plan? Continue with lessened dividends, propped up by eating capital? Liquidate and remunerate? Something else? Minimum Guarantee 5% will be maintained. We will have a sufficient growth in captial (the 5%-10% part for ISS) to cover lapse periods of profit (ie. <5%) to ensure the minimum guarantee doesn't eat into the base capital. If force EvE means it is looking like failing abysmally at some point in the coming months, then a shareholder vote will be the only reasonable way to consider liquidating the fund and returning the capital to shareholders, or eating into capital. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Bl4d3Runner Bl4d3	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:59:00 - [147] Please contact me ingame via email to set up a meeting regarding share purchase.
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:46:00 - [148] 500m sent :)
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:57:00 - [149] Originally by: Sobach 500m sent :) Shares Delivered. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:21:00 - [150] If any other major forces in the market (>10b or so)* would be willing to contact me, I'd like to put together a unified front on this IPO. Please understand that this is not intended as a poor review on your operation, but rather an emphasis on the fact that a failure of this IPO directly translates into a shrinking of the stock market in Eve for the forseeable future. I want to ask the questions and make the changes necessary so that this venture can succeed for everyone involved. MP *: Or just people with good ideas.
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:35:00 - [151] Originally by: Motivated Prophet If any other major forces in the market (>10b or so)* would be willing to contact me, I'd like to put together a unified front on this IPO. Please understand that this is not intended as a poor review on your operation, but rather an emphasis on the fact that a failure of this IPO directly translates into a shrinking of the stock market in Eve for the forseeable future. I want to ask the questions and make the changes necessary so that this venture can succeed for everyone involved. MP *: Or just people with good ideas. I wasn't aware that a unified front was necessary for the IPO. If you have questions feel free to ask them here. If you have brilliant ideas that will make the stock perform beyond anyone's wildest imagination, feel free to contact me in private New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Serenity Steele I wasn't aware that a unified front was necessary for the IPO. If you have questions feel free to ask them here. I did. You brushed them off or half-answered them. If you'd like, I can continue to pursue those questions, but I figured if I had such a hard time getting proper answers, the issue was probably: a) I phrased the questions incorrectly, or b) I asked wrong/dumb/inconsequential questions In either of these circumstances, a united group of major market players could help me find the solution. If you'd like my advice, it won't be easy to take. For instance, the first--and most greivous--error in this IPO has been the run-up. You clearly had this information ready ahead of time, based on your "coming soon!" post over a week beforehand. There was no reason to start share sales immediately upon publication of the business plan. Because you have, many vital suggestions that could have significantly boosted shareholder value are now moot, unless the benefits thereof outweigh the logistics of doing a reissue. In short, while I have absolute faith in your business acumen, and utmust respect for your position as the first IPO in Eve, your conduct in this one, so far, falls far short of the standards we've come to expect in this more-demanding age of investment. MP
Ehrine Ashbark Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:54:00 - [153] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Your salary commitment works out to approximately 250 million isk per month at a 10% return. Divided eight (or more? fewer?) ways, this is not exactly a princely sum. What's in it for you? To add my own answer to this, I joined the management team because I wanted something more out of eve then just flying missions and blowing up NPCs/PCs. Helping in the running of an alliance like ISS is something I enjoy doing. Everyone has things that make them sit down to play eve and for me, this is one of those things. I suspect it's the same for pretty much all the management team.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:15:00 - [154] Originally by: Ehrine Ashbark Originally by: Motivated Prophet Your salary commitment works out to approximately 250 million isk per month at a 10% return. Divided eight (or more? fewer?) ways, this is not exactly a princely sum. What's in it for you? To add my own answer to this, I joined the management team because I wanted something more out of eve then just flying missions and blowing up NPCs/PCs. Helping in the running of an alliance like ISS is something I enjoy doing. Everyone has things that make them sit down to play eve and for me, this is one of those things. I suspect it's the same for pretty much all the management team. You can make more than 31m/hr. mining in 0.0 with half-decent skills. Considering that that's your base pay, that means either: a) you don't expect to spend more than one hour per month doing work for the IPO, or b) you don't mind getting paid peanuts for your time While b) is perfectly valid and is often seen at work in soup kitchens and other charities, it is hardly a formula for employee loyalty and honesty in the face of a system that enforces no legal code should you decide to take the money and run. MP
Benvie	Posted - 2006.12.19 02:23:00 - [155] Since you apparently need an interpretation, he basically said he's not doing it for the money, he's doing it to be part of something great. Is that not an acceptable answer?
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:56:00 - [156] Originally by: Benvie Since you apparently need an interpretation, he basically said he's not doing it for the money, he's doing it to be part of something great. Is that not an acceptable answer? From someone I expect to run a for-profit company in such a way so as to maximise profit? No, it's not acceptable that he isn't concerned about profit. MP
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:19:00 - [157] I think I worked out the issue here - we were unclear in the way we presented things. When at 10% profits, ISS would make 50Bn pr month. Divide that into 10 slices. If we make 15%, you make 15 slices. If you do that, you end up with salaries of 5 Bn, divided among the management team. Chairman, ISS
Rawne Karrde Bre-X Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.19 11:14:00 - [158] As a potential investor I feel compelled to ask this question, based on the activity of ISS the last few weeks. First let me say that what you have done as an organization for 0.0 has been a great thing. I myself have used the likes of ISS marginis for selling, buying and jump clones. This has helped me gain access to 0.0 when I wasn't a member of some mega alliance or corp. However, with so much capital, what assurances can you give that any money I invest do not get poured into aggressive combat actions? I have no problem with funds being used to protect any assets and/or projects that my investment would be involved in. But I'm not interested in paying for someone else to get their combat jollies off attacking someone else's sov. space. It worries me when I see things like the current IAC vs ISS conflict. Now understand my relationship with IAC is not really that great either considering they booted my corp out of JZV at the end of a gun point basically and I certainly have nicer words to say about ISS, however as a potential investor I must ask, why all that money was spent on MC, Veto, KIA and yet they are not in the same systems as tycho and marginis, rather they are laying siege to an outpost in another Alliances Sovereign space. Not only does this pose a problem to me, but also the fact that it seems like its been a bit of overkill and as investor that is lost profits being thrown out the window with all the unnecessary merc'age. I thought ISS respected other alliances sov in their un-politicalness, and as a potential investor I'm wondering why those hired forces are not simply protecting the outposts and supply shipments in the area, and why so much money has been spent on those forces when they do not appear to be needed as others seem to be willing to fight for nothing? Now, Acquiring new outposts without another IPO, would really make investors more isk, and that is a good thing, but it breaks the charter it seems, and so I'm just looking for consistency, up to know you've shown that but here it seems to be such a break in your policy that I'm worried to contribute to such a large IPO like 500bil without that past proven consistency.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:07:00 - [159] Originally by: Count TaSessine I think I worked out the issue here - we were unclear in the way we presented things. When at 10% profits, ISS would make 50Bn pr month. Divide that into 10 slices. If we make 15%, you make 15 slices. If you do that, you end up with salaries of 5 Bn, divided among the management team. Ah, okay. So just to make sure I have the idea correct, there would be no difference in dividend payout in a month where the venture earned 5% as opposed to 6%. Yes? Your formula is then: max(min(profit - (5% * capital), 1), 1) or max(min(profit - (5% * IPO price * floated shares), 1), 1) Which of these formulae is correct? That is, do you take capital losses into account? MP
Block Ukx	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:03:00 - [160] Dear Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele, As an interested investor, I have a problematic question for you. In your latest IPO, you are offering investors a guaranteed 5% monthly dividend, and you are even forecasting possible 10% - 15% returns. How are you are basing this forecast? Previous ISS IPOÆs forecasted an estimated 5% dividend return. In contrast, based on the EGSE data, your previous IPOÆs have returned, in average: ISSPO 1.66% ISSBO 3.31% ISSCA 1.81% ISSMO 2.98% Based on your past performance, a guaranteed 5% monthly dividend seems high to me. If you believe you can guarantee 5% dividend, why arenÆt the previous IPOÆs doing better? Respectfully, Block Ukx
Antaris Xenal Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:31:00 - [161] 200 mil invested in you guys just now. now dont f*** up :P :D
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:55:00 - [162] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 19/12/2006 20:58:02 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Count TaSessine I think I worked out the issue here - we were unclear in the way we presented things. When at 10% profits, ISS would make 50Bn pr month. Divide that into 10 slices. If we make 15%, you make 15 slices. If you do that, you end up with salaries of 5 Bn, divided among the management team. Ah, okay. So just to make sure I have the idea correct, there would be no difference in dividend payout in a month where the venture earned 5% as opposed to 6%. Yes? Your formula is then: max(min(profit - (5% * capital), 1), 1) or max(min(profit - (5% * IPO price * floated shares), 1), 1) Which of these formulae is correct? That is, do you take capital losses into account? MP Defining the following: IPOCapital = SharesSold * IPOSharePrice In the simple case where no capital is 'lost' or 'destroyed' then: Dividend to shareholders = *5% IPOCapital + MAX(0,Profit-10% * IPOCapital) Reward to ISS management = MAX(0,MIN(1% * IPOCapital,MAX(0,Profit-5% * IPOCapital)20%))* Reward to ISS = *(Profit-(5% IPOCapital + MAX(0,Profit-10% * IPOCapital)))-MAX(0,MIN(1% * IPOCapital,MAX(0,Profit-5% * IPOCapital)20%))* In the case where Capital is 'lost' or 'destroyed' then: Dividend to shareholders = *MAX(5%IPOCapital,5% * IPOCapital + MAX(0,Profit-10% * IPOCapital) - (IPOCapital-MIN(IPOCapital,Capital)))** For Shareholders this means: - Shareholders will always get a minimum of 5% of the IPOCapital paid out. - If the profit for a month is >10% of IPO capital, they'll get a bonus UNLESS there was capital destroyed, in which case the bonus will be used to build up the destroyed capital to it's IPO amount. Bare in mind that ISS already has Considerable working capital above that raised by the IPO. That is why we're prepared to state a minimum guarantee. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.19 21:16:00 - [163] Originally by: Block Ukx Dear Count TaSessine and Serenity Steele, As an interested investor, I have a problematic question for you. In your latest IPO, you are offering investors a guaranteed 5% monthly dividend, and you are even forecasting possible 10% - 15% returns. How are you are basing this forecast? Previous ISS IPOÆs forecasted an estimated 5% dividend return. In contrast, based on the EGSE data, your previous IPOÆs have returned, in average: ISSPO 1.66% ISSBO 3.31% ISSCA 1.81% ISSMO 2.98% Based on your past performance, a guaranteed 5% monthly dividend seems high to me. If you believe you can guarantee 5% dividend, why arenÆt the previous IPOÆs doing better? Respectfully, Block Ukx The Outpost corporations (the IPO's you refer to) generate their income soley from services at the stations: Cloning Fees, Office Rentals, Repair Bills, Docking Fees and Broker Fees (More recently implemented in game mechanic) When the outposts first opened, docking fees and office rentals drove revenue, To promote this we arranged with big tech II producers to supply the stations. In reality they did a one-off delivery and rarely returned. Today, after an analysis for station performance, and our experience, we realised three things: - The majority of outpost profitability changes over time, and is now from broker fees (Increasing trade will increase also return on the Outpost corporation shares) - The more revenue streams, the more reliable the revenue. (New IPO Plan splitting across multiple types of investments) - Prices at the stations were higher than +20%, but people are still buying. (Hence trading in the Plan) That combined with the fact we already generate monthly revenues in excess of 2.5% on 500bn Capital, means we know we can make the guarantee and the fund will perform better. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Ehrine Ashbark Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:33:00 - [164] Edited by: Ehrine Ashbark on 19/12/2006 23:34:33 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ehrine Ashbark Originally by: Motivated Prophet Your salary commitment works out to approximately 250 million isk per month at a 10% return. Divided eight (or more? fewer?) ways, this is not exactly a princely sum. What's in it for you? To add my own answer to this, I joined the management team because I wanted something more out of eve then just flying missions and blowing up NPCs/PCs. Helping in the running of an alliance like ISS is something I enjoy doing. Everyone has things that make them sit down to play eve and for me, this is one of those things. I suspect it's the same for pretty much all the management team. You can make more than 31m/hr. mining in 0.0 with half-decent skills. Considering that that's your base pay, that means either: a) you don't expect to spend more than one hour per month doing work for the IPO, or b) you don't mind getting paid peanuts for your time While b) is perfectly valid and is often seen at work in soup kitchens and other charities, it is hardly a formula for employee loyalty and honesty in the face of a system that enforces no legal code should you decide to take the money and run. MP Actually, I get a fair bit more then 31m for my time spent mining :) Anyway, as I tried to explain before, I enjoy doing this kinda thing - hence invested my time in the ISS to help it prosper. If that's not enough for you, look at it this way. The better the ISS does, the better placed my corp is. The better placed my corp is, the better placed I am. The time I spend working in ISS management benifits myself in more ways then financial reward. Part of it is the satisfaction from the job itself and the rest is the position it places me in to be able to enjoy playing eve out in 0.0 space.
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:47:00 - [165] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Benvie Since you apparently need an interpretation, he basically said he's not doing it for the money, he's doing it to be part of something great. Is that not an acceptable answer? From someone I expect to run a for-profit company in such a way so as to maximise profit? No, it's not acceptable that he isn't concerned about profit. MP I think you're confusing profit with personal gain. It's not so hard to understand those that want to contribute to content and enjoyability of Eve, in exchange for status and recognition, hundreds of players do: Big up to the ISD. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:33:00 - [166] The ISSO IPO will close for the period 23rd Dec 23:59 to 2nd January 00:01. This is to provide some time to actually work the capital before the first dividend is due on 1 January. ISS will be using their cash reserves to meet minimum guarantee for the very first dividend, we knew this at the IPO launch, however want to give people a few days warning before closing the IPO for a week. From January onwards, the IPO will only open for delivery of shares in the first 2 weeks of the month. Any pilots or corporations sending ISK during the closed period 24 dec 00:01 to 1st Jan 23:59 will have the shares issued on 2nd January. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2006.12.20 04:29:00 - [167] After a great deal of consideration, I have decided to pose this question. If you refuse to answer it, I will see that as an answer, in a way. Given your stated intent to construct capital ships in 0.0 systems where you hold sovereignity, will you be building tier-2 capital ships? If so, how does this affect your military backing, as we all saw what happens when "neutral" entities try to create those things the alliances hold as their own (in fact, you currently have an outpost as a result of the last time that happened). I'm asking from several points of view here. First, if you are making tier-2 capital ships, I'd love to purchase one from you. Secondly, if you are doing so, that significantly changes the risk profile of the offering, because it could mean a large coalition showing up on your doorstep to stop you ß la EC-P. Third, construction of tier-2 capital ships by a neutral entity would throw large portions of the game into turmoil, and quite frankly, I'd love to watch (and, of course, sell guns to both sides). MP
Ataraxa Gallente Trolltech Ltd.	Posted - 2006.12.20 08:01:00 - [168] On at least three points in their leaflet they said specifically to produce carriers and dreads (page 3, page 5 and page 8). And I think they are well aware that producing motherships and/or titans can lead to some grunts on their doorsteps :)
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:13:00 - [169] Originally by: Ataraxa On at least three points in their leaflet they said specifically to produce carriers and dreads (page 3, page 5 and page 8). And I think they are well aware that producing motherships and/or titans can lead to some grunts on their doorsteps :) Correct, we will not be producing Motherships and/or titans. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:37:00 - [170] Edited by: JP Moregain on 20/12/2006 22:38:11 Scenario Analysis: -Shares Issued -BoB attacks ISS (because they can and are bored)brings ISS operations to a halt and the shares plummet. -BoB buys a majority of the shares on the cheap and then ceases hostilities -ISS become the first true BoB slaves (sorry Xelas/Fix) Suggestion: make sure you have a lot of BoB investors up front. Sorry this is a bit "Gordon Gekko"-esqe Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:51:00 - [171] Originally by: JP Moregain Edited by: JP Moregain on 20/12/2006 22:38:11 Scenario Analysis: -Shares Issued -BoB attacks ISS (because they can and are bored)brings ISS operations to a halt and the shares plummet. -BoB buys a majority of the shares on the cheap and then ceases hostilities -ISS become the first true BoB slaves (sorry Xelas/Fix) Suggestion: make sure you have a lot of BoB investors up front. Sorry this is a bit "Gordon Gekko"-esqe Regards, JP Scenario probability assessment: - Probability BoB attack 4 regions simultaneously to siege all ISS Outpost: Low - Probability BoB attack ISS Cassini, where they own shares: Why bother? - Probability BoB benefit strategicallly by taking ISS Outposts: Non-Existant New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2006.12.21 22:48:00 - [172] Shares were ordered and received within a couple of minutes ty and good luck Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out
Azarkiel	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:45:00 - [173] Hey, i'm here just to announce i'm transfering 300 Mil isk... Hail!
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:16:00 - [174] All Delivered New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.22 15:25:00 - [175] I totally bought 500m worth, This seems like a smart investment, and I plan to buy more later.
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:04:00 - [176] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 23/12/2006 02:04:06 The ISSO IPO is temporarily closed until January with >40% of the shares sold. I will deliver all sent before the time of this post. The IPO will re-open on 2nd January 00:01. You can reserve shares by sending ISK, however your shares will be sent after the 1 Jan 07 Dividend is Issued. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
DaSoul Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2006.12.23 06:53:00 - [177] Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 23/12/2006 02:04:06 The ISSO IPO is temporarily closed until January with >40% of the shares sold. Originally by: Serenity Steele The ISSO IPO will close for the period 23rd Dec 23:59 to 2nd January 00:01. You're too early according to your previous statement. This makes me a sad last minute Christmas shopper.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:41:00 - [178] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/12/2006 05:42:01 Originally by: Rawne Karrde Good Questions I wish ISS had the nerve to answer your post. Right now investing in ISS IPO is about the dumbest move you could do. And for the record Rawne... Bre-X is still around JZV and actually fighting vs ISS with IAC. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:41:00 - [179] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/12/2006 05:41:47 double post blues Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:30:00 - [180] Originally by: DaSoul You're too early according to your previous statement. This makes me a sad last minute Christmas shopper. I believe this is because shares have sold faster than expected coming up to christmas. We need to take a pause in taking investments onboard to put the current isk to work. Don't worry, they'll be open again before you know it :D. Merry Christmas, btw :). Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:57:00 - [181] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/12/2006 05:42:01 Originally by: Rawne Karrde Good Questions I wish ISS had the nerve to answer your post. Right now investing in ISS IPO is about the dumbest move you could do. And for the record Rawne... Bre-X is still around JZV and actually fighting vs ISS with IAC. Meh, IAC lost a station, The Bottleshop. Did anyone else also got payed dividents ? -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:59:00 - [182] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/12/2006 05:42:01 Originally by: Rawne Karrde Good Questions I wish ISS had the nerve to answer your post. Right now investing in ISS IPO is about the dumbest move you could do. And for the record Rawne... Bre-X is still around JZV and actually fighting vs ISS with IAC. Meh, IAC lost a station, The Bottleshop. Did anyone else also got payed dividents ? ISS dosnt answer questions, they just give attitudes and act like they are God. This is why ISS is being attacked my multiple alliances now, if they would act as a Public IPO and take care of the publics thoughts and concerns I would invest myself, but they dont, which IMO is very bad. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:24:00 - [183] Edited by: Proton Power on 02/01/2007 21:27:21 Originally by: Halafian Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 25/12/2006 05:42:01 Originally by: Rawne Karrde Good Questions I wish ISS had the nerve to answer your post. Right now investing in ISS IPO is about the dumbest move you could do. And for the record Rawne... Bre-X is still around JZV and actually fighting vs ISS with IAC. Meh, IAC lost a station, The Bottleshop. Did anyone else also got payed dividents ? ISS dosnt answer questions, they just give attitudes and act like they are God. This is why ISS is being attacked my multiple alliances now, if they would act as a Public IPO and take care of the publics thoughts and concerns I would invest myself, but they dont, which IMO is very bad. Wow, you sure aren't one to talk! I spent the better part of two weeks trying to buy some bpos from you, and all I got were late replies, broken promises and missed deadlines. Maybe you should get back to taking care of your own business, which seems disorganized and pretty out of control, before piling on ISS. They have a record of 18 months of running a business far larger and more complex than yours. And for the record, this account of why ISS is being attacked is complete rubbish. ISS is being attacked because IAC wants ISS's assets. If you ever get to the point of having assets like that, you'll probably get attacked too. It's just what happens. That is why I closed that part of PCT down as I posted in the thread. And When I do answer the questions I dont normally give lots of attitude and disrespect share holders. I answer the question. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:29:00 - [184] One last reply here and then I am done. I do respect ISS, and Understand how large of a thing they have going and how they started the IPO's. Please dont take my replie's as in I dislike them as a whole, I just dislike the smart comments when people ask simple questions like where do ship loss's come from. It was a simple question with a very simple answer. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:43:00 - [185] The First Dividend has now been issued = 5% return per share. All shares paid for during the IPO closed period (last 15 days of the month) have been sent. The IPO is now open again. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:20:00 - [186] All shares paid have been delivered at time of this post. To see the share ticker, visit the ISSO website. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:17:00 - [187] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: JP Moregain Edited by: JP Moregain on 20/12/2006 22:38:11 Scenario Analysis: -Shares Issued -BoB attacks ISS (because they can and are bored)brings ISS operations to a halt and the shares plummet. -BoB buys a majority of the shares on the cheap and then ceases hostilities -ISS become the first true BoB slaves (sorry Xelas/Fix) Suggestion: make sure you have a lot of BoB investors up front. Sorry this is a bit "Gordon Gekko"-esqe Regards, JP Scenario probability assessment: - Probability BoB attack 4 regions simultaneously to siege all ISS Outpost: Low - Probability BoB attack ISS Cassini, where they own shares: Why bother? - Probability BoB benefit strategicallly by taking ISS Outposts: Non-Existant You are absolutely right Ms. Steele, Looks like D2 makes more sense... Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:28:00 - [188] TBH wonder what ISS plan to do now. Seems BoB is really there only hope. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:20:00 - [189] Sooooo will the investors isk be returned or do you plan to run with it all? Granted that ISS lose a large chunk of stations. ____________
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:46:00 - [190] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 20:46:47 Originally by: maGz Sooooo will the investors isk be returned or do you plan to run with it all? Granted that ISS lose a large chunk of stations. Wait, hardly a shot has been fired and you're already asking whether investor ISK will be returned? -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 20:46:47 Originally by: maGz Sooooo will the investors isk be returned or do you plan to run with it all? Granted that ISS lose a large chunk of stations. Wait, hardly a shot has been fired and you're already asking whether investor ISK will be returned? Might want to check the amount of pilots in KDF/P-2/ZX... ____________
Ehrine Ashbark Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:06:00 - [192] Just to remind people of what has been said repeatedly elsewhere - none of the isk invested in the latest IPO is affected by any of the recent developments. The "ISS" assets under attack are the various outpost constructed with isks from previous IPOs. If you actually read the prospectus for the new IPO you'll see that we're not using it to fund the old outposts, we've just been using the old outposts are market seeding grounds, markets we can use to increase our revenue for the new IPO. Even if we do lose those stations, the stock will still be on the market there. Nothing changes and the IPO will continue.
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:40:00 - [193] Sort of a shame to everyone who invested in ISS's outposts, because it looks like your shares might become worthless barring some unforseen and fortuitous events. But they're right, this IPO is one built on two things: 1. Market baskets seeded to 0.0 regions. The existing baskets can continue selling from existing stations no matter how many times they change hands. Worst case scenario, the sell of part of all of these baskets and then make more baskets for NPC stations. 2. Trust which ISS has (which is to say things like massive loans). Put enough money in their hands and they can find ways to make it pay off. They're still proficient at operating out of 0.0 space effectively, efficiently and safely, even if they lose all their outposts. We Recruit!
WhiskeyDP The Druids	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:35:00 - [194] i seen nyphur a lot in this thread. is he involved in anyway? coz i think that the ppl should know that he used to escrow scam. i know its late and dont know how the things are going but its lots of isk involved and i wouldnt trust even 1 isk in the hands of him ================== === eve is not all about isk, its about enjoying the game. lots of iskies is not the same as enjoying the game
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:08:00 - [195] Originally by: WhiskeyDP i seen nyphur a lot in this thread. is he involved in anyway? coz i think that the ppl should know that he used to escrow scam. i know its late and dont know how the things are going but its lots of isk involved and i wouldnt trust even 1 isk in the hands of him Proof or stfu. I'm tired of these stupid trolls coming here to gloat. Go do that in COAD.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:13:00 - [196] Proof has been posted several times
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:16:00 - [197] Originally by: solidshot Proof has been posted several times So it should be easy for you to show it. Do so or stfu.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:30:00 - [198] Originally by: Halafian Edited by: Halafian on 06/01/2007 16:23:43 Originally by: solidshot Proof has been posted several times So it should be easy for you to show it. Do so or stfu. I know what you are talking about -- and that wasn't Nyphur. Post your link from Eve Search, and then post Nyphur's replies. Nyphur is not a scammer. thread here now why don't you stfu if people in your alliance spent as much time fighting for it as you do whineing on the forums it wouldn't be in this much trouble..
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:57:00 - [199] Originally by: solidshot Originally by: Halafian Edited by: Halafian on 06/01/2007 16:23:43 Originally by: solidshot Proof has been posted several times So it should be easy for you to show it. Do so or stfu. I know what you are talking about -- and that wasn't Nyphur. Post your link from Eve Search, and then post Nyphur's replies. Nyphur is not a scammer. thread here now why don't you stfu if people in your alliance spent as much time fighting for it as you do whineing on the forums it wouldn't be in this much trouble.. Yeah, and then read Nyphur's replies and link. You have nothing. It is funny to see these anonymous alts start all this board trolling and come out of the woodwork only after D2, AAA, Goonfleet, IAC and all the rest have done the dirty work. Anyway, no more replies to random trolls.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:59:00 - [200] Originally by: Halafian Originally by: solidshot Originally by: Halafian Edited by: Halafian on 06/01/2007 16:23:43 Originally by: solidshot Proof has been posted several times So it should be easy for you to show it. Do so or stfu. I know what you are talking about -- and that wasn't Nyphur. Post your link from Eve Search, and then post Nyphur's replies. Nyphur is not a scammer. thread here now why don't you stfu if people in your alliance spent as much time fighting for it as you do whineing on the forums it wouldn't be in this much trouble.. Yeah, and then read Nyphur's replies and link. You have nothing. It is funny to see these anonymous alts start all this board trolling and come out of the woodwork only after D2, AAA, Goonfleet, IAC and all the rest have done the dirty work. Anyway, no more replies to random trolls. Just because someone denies it doesn't mean it isn't true also you should check who your calling an alt
WhiskeyDP The Druids	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:25:00 - [201] Originally by: Halafian Originally by: solidshot Originally by: Halafian Edited by: Halafian on 06/01/2007 16:23:43 Originally by: solidshot Proof has been posted several times So it should be easy for you to show it. Do so or stfu. I know what you are talking about -- and that wasn't Nyphur. Post your link from Eve Search, and then post Nyphur's replies. Nyphur is not a scammer. thread here now why don't you stfu if people in your alliance spent as much time fighting for it as you do whineing on the forums it wouldn't be in this much trouble.. Yeah, and then read Nyphur's replies and link. You have nothing. It is funny to see these anonymous alts start all this board trolling and come out of the woodwork only after D2, AAA, Goonfleet, IAC and all the rest have done the dirty work. Anyway, no more replies to random trolls. wonder how many who have an 62m sp anonymous alt. last time someone called this char an alt was jimmysav 2 years ago i think. i have fully respect for what iss have accomplished and i have done lots of business with them in the past but no matter how much scamming is allowed by ccp it doesnt go very well with having a "public person" like nyphur even in a thread like this if u want to be taken serious. ================== === eve is not all about isk, its about enjoying the game. lots of iskies is not the same as enjoying the game
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:37:00 - [202] Originally by: WhiskeyDP -stuff- i have fully respect for what iss have accomplished and i have done lots of business with them in the past but no matter how much scamming is allowed by ccp it doesnt go very well with having a "public person" like nyphur even in a thread like this if u want to be taken serious. Yeah libel is so common on these forums it's depressing
WhiskeyDP The Druids	Posted - 2007.01.07 11:17:00 - [203] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Yeah libel is so common on these forums it's depressing scammers only have them selfs to blame ================== === eve is not all about isk, its about enjoying the game. lots of iskies is not the same as enjoying the game
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:07:00 - [204] All shares delivered at time of this post. As stated before, the ISSO IPO profitability and plan is uneffected by loss of any ISS Outpost. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:09:00 - [205] One question to raise is maybe dividends will still be paid even if you lose the stations. But the image will be so tarnished that i see the desire to purchase iss shares going downhill very fast. Value on the shares will probably decrease to base value and in the end there is no real point on investing in ISS as the possibility for future profit by selling shares will be slim to none. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:26:00 - [206] Originally by: Murukan One question to raise is maybe dividends will still be paid even if you lose the stations. But the image will be so tarnished that i see the desire to purchase iss shares going downhill very fast. Value on the shares will probably decrease to base value and in the end there is no real point on investing in ISS as the possibility for future profit by selling shares will be slim to none. For pilots only interested in speculation on short-term share price fluctuations, that is indeed a question to raise. Investing in a 500bn ISK IPO is for people who want dividend returns on their otherwise Idle ISK, or are interested in seeing the market development of 0.0. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Alha Qmar Caldari Xenon Logistics	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:02:00 - [207] If you want to invest into ISS you might aswell give your iskies to me.
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:52:00 - [208] Originally by: Alha Qmar If you want to invest into ISS you might aswell give your iskies to me. You are not an official ISS representative, so that won't work New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:08:00 - [209] I sure hope things work out for the ISS, the idea of having safe stations in 0.0 space for anyone who wishes to go there is great. It gives a lot of younger players a hope that they may actually be able to explore 0.0 one day and that they won't be relegated to high sec space only. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:57:00 - [210] Originally by: Murukan One question to raise is maybe dividends will still be paid even if you lose the stations. But the image will be so tarnished that i see the desire to purchase iss shares going downhill very fast. Value on the shares will probably decrease to base value and in the end there is no real point on investing in ISS as the possibility for future profit by selling shares will be slim to none. Oh no. Will that mean that people won¦t be allowed to sell for 20 million what cost 10 million a few hours ago. One thing i didn¦t liked in ISS was them selling shares of an outpost and setting a minimun buy order (think it was 100 mil) but not a maximum one. Shares sold like hot cookies in a few hours and the average Joe didn¦t got a chance to get in since some bilionaires at the moment on forums scooped them. If all shares are sold and ISS keep paying 5% every month i don¦t see why they won¦t slowly raise in price assuming there¦s not lots of more interesting investing options.

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:26:00 - [211] Off-topic replies and trolling deleted. You may discuss the IPO, and the war in how it relates to the IPO. Appropriate replies have been left in ( even MaGz). Anything else will be deleted and warned. If you want to discuss the war itself, use the CAOD forum. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected]. Please read the forum rules before posting. forum rules

Caius Varrus BSoD Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:15:00 - [212] Isk transferred. Forward thinking like this is going to change the universe.
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.09 01:25:00 - [213] All shares delivered at time of this post. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 05:46:00 - [214] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 09/01/2007 05:42:16 I am buying these shares here if you want to sell: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=457017 Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:11:00 - [215] There are a number of buy orders for these shares at EGSE and RESX well in excess of your stated price. As such, you may wish to increase your bid. MP
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:53:00 - [216] All shares delivered at time of this post. 50% sold now. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:22:00 - [217] Originally by: Shadarle I sure hope things work out for the ISS, the idea of having safe stations in 0.0 space for anyone who wishes to go there is great. It gives a lot of younger players a hope that they may actually be able to explore 0.0 one day and that they won't be relegated to high sec space only. Just as a heads up, IAC (the ones who are leading the resound pounding that ISS is getting) is also a free-space alliance. Meaning that, once the war is over (neutrals are always shot during heavy war times like this) you will still be able to visit the former ISS stations in the south, buy and sell etc, and generally just do your thing in IAC space. And, they do a much better job of securing their space from evil nasty pirate types than ISS ever could ;P

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:00:00 - [218] Cleaned again. Allow me to reiterate, you will be warned for discussing the war, unless it relates to the IPO. That is what the CAOD forum is for. Please read the forum rules before posting. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected]. forum rules

Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:47:00 - [219] Originally by: Trotski II One thing i didn¦t liked in ISS was them selling shares of an outpost and setting a minimun buy order (think it was 100 mil) but not a maximum one. Shares sold like hot cookies in a few hours and the average Joe didn¦t got a chance to get in since some bilionaires at the moment on forums scooped them. Even though, said billionaires couldn't just take a few minutes to make a couple of alternate characters? If, that is, they didn't have such things already? That aside, ISK just wired to you, Serenity. (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !
Vando Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:54:00 - [220] Originally by: Shadarle I sure hope things work out for the ISS, the idea of having safe stations in 0.0 space for anyone who wishes to go there is great. It gives a lot of younger players a hope that they may actually be able to explore 0.0 one day and that they won't be relegated to high sec space only. Don't worry about that, IAC have the same policy in peacetime. Business continues as usual, only with better bodyguards for the traders ;) In my opinion, this IPO is a lot more stable than the station IPOs. It would be a lot harder to suffer a catastrophic loss of assets as would occur when you lose a station, and I would think that a consolidation of the separate ISS interests would make sense, bringing them all under the umbrella of this IPO somehow.
Matarinnea	Posted - 2007.01.14 02:08:00 - [221] Quite frankly I donÆt get it. I actually put myself thru the àà. exercise of reading all seven pages of this post. While my other toon is traveling 10 jumps thru hi-sec I thought IÆd ask the following: IsnÆt what you are doing against the game mechanics? There is no legal system in EVE and we only have your ôword,ö but IÆll take that at face value and assume that every other player in EVE will continually pod-kill all of you if you fail to honor your commitments. But what is the ôreal angleö to this exercise? EVE is not an economic game. ItÆs a kill game. The economics are an appendix. If you should be successful then it seems that you could wage economic war on certain alliances. If that were to happen then wouldnÆt they then petition you as ôgrieversö destroying their gameplay? And/or wouldnÆt some more subtle form of action take place behind the scenes if you became too powerful and ôun balancedö gameplay? A reprogrammed line and the game becomes rebalanced to your detriment and all is well again in EVE. In essence, arenÆt you pitting yourselves in competition with the ôEVEö gods? Or is it Kumbaya for all with smiling pictures and all.? I might be with you in spirit, but I donÆt think ôEVEö is.
Vando Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.14 04:36:00 - [222] Don't worry, isk can't buy you talent. Eve is save from the slavering empire-building ISS beast for a little while longer at least
Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.14 06:34:00 - [223] (This is slightly off topic, but I think this needs to be addressed, if only briefly.) Originally by: Matarinnea EVE is not an economic game. ItÆs a kill game. I disagree. Trade is a significant part of life in EVE. In fact, it is significant enough to have been noticed outside the immediate game community, see here for an article from the BBC published late last year regarding the Joint Economic Committee of the US Congress investigating the amount of commerce taking place in virtual game worlds, such as ours. (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !
Prof Zenith	Posted - 2007.01.15 03:24:00 - [224] Now what...I'm going to get taxed on my virtual assets too!! Damned IRS. Talk about stealing from the poor to feed the rich.

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