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Moraguth	Posted - 2006.12.12 02:21:00 - [31] Everyone says he uses a carrier, well that carrier should be able to tank the sentries for the support ship with it's remote reppers. Either that, or take advantage of the range bonus. You can repair armor at over 30km if you know what you're doing with a support ship, so have your sniper (whatever it is) sitting so that the support ship can support while outside sentry range. good game
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.12.12 03:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Ginger Magician OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang and I want to fit a remote armor repper to help gangmates out in combat or perhaps also to use logistics drones on them during combat. Those who have watched the alliance tournament will have no doubt seen plenty of this sort of thing and it is essential for effective use of the gang system to maximise each ships abilities and ofc logistics ships which have no other purpose. Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp. But here is the rub.All members of Octobersnow with the exception of alts are -5 or more and global criminals.If any member of snowy attempts to remote rep/sensor boost/energy tranfer etc etc another member we are immediately globally criminally flagged and sentry fired upon.This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!! People in the same damn corp cannot even help each other out. FOR the love of GOD FIX THIS **** CCP!!!!!!!! Havent u nerfed piracy enough to at least give us this one little thing?????????? Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion Look!!! it's an EMO!!
Celestal	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:10:00 - [33] LOL to all those suggesting the winger goto 0.0 or try proper pvp , u seen how many carriers and other ships he loses splatting nubs ? , if he went to proper pvp he cud only afford to fly shuttles .
Jake Noble Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:18:00 - [34] Question: What happens when you aid a criminal in RL? You become a criminal its a crime to help or aid a felon. Now what happens when you aid a felon in game? You get criminally flagged. Pretty simple I think... Now I would like to take this moment to ask why you post on the forums ginger - I do not mean that in a rude way but you always get flamed every time you post here usually because like this post its totally stupid, as this post seems like a pretty simple explanation to me...
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Ituralde Caps lock is NOT Cruise Control for Cool. Capitalization Is Cruise Control For Cool. The Gang Rules Are Working Properly, Because Any Other Way Would Allow People To Side-Step The Crim Flag Rules By Ganging, Which Is Not As Cool As Capitalization. In other words, no. Go to 0.0. - Trem - Trem
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.12.12 05:05:00 - [36] I like whining on the forums.It gets all the little excited.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Tortuga Reborn who is OctoberSnow? October Snow is the little known prequel to the Guns n' Roses hit November Rain. I have to agree with Ginger on this one though, you shouldn't be flagged for helping your own corp mate unless that corp mate is aggro'd.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:28:00 - [38] Edited by: Akita T on 12/12/2006 06:29:19 Now, THAT is what's wrong... the "criminal flag" is bugged, true. But it's not bugged in the sense GiMa seems to imply, that one is just fine. It's bugged, because it doesn't auto-start when they (outlaws) enter the grid, as it should. -5.0 sec status should be KoS by all "non-pirate-faction" gateguns and navies, wherever encountered. ___ And by the way boost those damn gateguns already to 250km max range from where they are, not from what they guard. And a bit more DPS from them wouldn't hurt either. _ My skills \| Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained
Max Grief Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.12 06:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I think its called aiding and abetting a criminal... quoted for truth
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Ginger Magician I like whining on the forums. It gets all the little excited. Good thing reputation in Eve is meaningless, or you might have trouble being taken seriously. ~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Tachy on 12/12/2006 07:21:55 Ginger Magician is normally taken serious when you're on AP in a small ship. Supporting criminally flagged ships works like that for a long time. That the security forces do not open fire clearly is a bug you should report and not exploit. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Aphotic Raven Gallente WMD Special Forces Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Tortuga Reborn who is OctoberSnow? maybe the key to sucess it to pirate in 0.0 where there are no gate guns and you wont get beaten down. either that or tank the gate ;) Excellent suggestion. The aggro against the skanky sec space pirates is a good idea, it stops you simply using a ceptor to tank gate guns, and you cant tank high sec gates now with 40 guys repping 1 guy.... It stops skanky players like the OP from coming into high sec and skankilly killing people. Skanks. Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story
Hunter Kag	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:44:00 - [43] Edited by: Hunter Kag on 12/12/2006 07:46:10 Didn't bother to read the thread. I felt the flames as soon as I saw the OP.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:01:00 - [44] Good old Ginger Magician .. Killing all those nublets in carrier must be very hard work. Take a break man, have a .. whatever? "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Ginger Magician Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game. This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!! Never heard of you guys. cant be THAT famous -
Senti Kai	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:35:00 - [46] poor gate camper ... so sad
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Hllaxiu Despite it coming from Ginger Magician, I think he is right: sentries should not suddenly decide to start shooting at you if you aid a criminal that does not have aggression. This is the situation I think hes complaining about: Pilot A is -10 and sitting at a station. Sentries do not fire. Pilot B comes along and activates a remote armor rep on Pilot A. Sentries fire at pilot B, leaving pilot A alone. Pilot B should only be fired upon if the sentries are currently firing at pilot A at the time of remote boosting. Not that any of this has anything to do with GM... hes always aggressed because he can't resist not firing at every shuttle that goes past. Your example sounds fine enough, until you realize one thing. The person repairing the 'Criminal' is aiding a known criminal. Therein lies the problem. It is the reason the gate guns fire on the logistics ship. Although here's a little twist, you come in to fight GM or one of his buddies from the #1 pvp corp in all of eve and accidentally launch logistic drones instead of attack drones... Pop goes the weasel ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.12 08:52:00 - [48] Hasn't this been a mechanic since the days of m0o? I recall the whole 'aiding a known criminal' has been something you get flagged for, for as long as I can remember. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Gurgling CEO Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:07:00 - [49] What the hell is wrong with people really? I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design. There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you. Less whining and offtopic blabbering please.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Gurgling CEO What the hell is wrong with people really? I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design. There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you. Thats quite a different situation. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Gurgling CEO What the hell is wrong with people really? I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design. There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you. Less whining and offtopic blabbering please. If you're assisting someone doing something stupid, you get concordokken. If you get concordokken without your target not being on the recieving end of Concord, then pettion and bugreport. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Slax Kalimatar Minmatar Sarlacc Pit Industries	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:36:00 - [52] Good morning Ginger, i know you, i had my fun with you (annoying you over one hour yesterday morning) and sorry not being in hagilur this morning to have fun with you and your guys again. Priceless picture that a lone caracal pilot can fly around the gate without beeing catched for one hour. And good call for reinforcements of a neutral pilot, a moa pilot and at least a malediction pilot. and no armor repping at a distance at 360km is nono! guess i just disturbed your operations, when sprungle had to jump on me at that range. guess thats too bad when you had just the moa at the gate instead and the instalocker had to lock and scram me far far away, additionally he lost 2x med drones (lol hammerhead I on a curse?) and you couldnt repair him after and many many other pilots got through hagilur safe, coz you couldnt catch them. /rant off - - - - for the remote armor repper usage, you are tanking with your carrier at the gate, ever thought of using repair drones, instead of combat drone or webber drones? (but guess you are not using them, coz YOU want to be on the killmail, poor sprungle is getting only the shared points on kb, coz allmight Number Uno Ginger MUST be on the killmail as well) Second, you know that you can command each drone by itself? so command 2 rep drones on your gangmates, and you can still have one webber drone and two combat drones out there. Originally by: Ginger Magician Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp. that one makes me drool, come on a famous corp no. 1 killers, but moaning that you cant rep yourself. sure it would be good that you can fit remote reps, so your gang mate that use armor tank can unfit their armor rep and instead i.e fitting one more damage mod or whatever. But guess that wont happened soon. have fun... we see us again in hagilur
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:39:51 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:38:32 If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else. Wait, you want CCP to teach you to PvP so you can get off the gates???
Horus Dark	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:10:00 - [54] aiding criminal bla bla. Would work...exept the criminal gos free. and the aider gets shot. In al fairness the criminal should be punished more then the aider. And hell...he should be atleast punished at all. I dont care who posted it but its a valid point. If sentrys dont fire on the criminal. they also shouldnt shoot at some1 who aids him. (being a murderer is fine, giving him a lift however is punishable by death...riiiiight.)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:18:00 - [55] I think it works this way so pirates cant camp gates using one ship as a super tank, and some support ships to keep the tank alive forever. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Horus Dark Would work...exept the criminal gos free. and the aider gets shot. In al fairness the criminal should be punished more then the aider. They should both be punnished tbh... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Belladonna Nightshade	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:53:00 - [57] Originally by: Ginger Magician OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang(Ok hypothetical alright) Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 whiners in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its camping as well as morecamping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a ridiculed and largely ignored pvp corp. Fixed
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:59:00 - [58] I'm in a GM thread.. (Sorry Always wanted to do that) but On topic, if there in the same corp they should not get flagged, if there not in the same corp then it's helping a crimnal and deserve to get flagged. The man without a face... The company without a clue.
Efour Amarr Matari Shipworks	Posted - 2006.12.12 11:07:00 - [59] yay im in 1 too, i love you GM! seriously u r my idol one day i hope to be as cool as you. Blue healing is bad so no dont even consider removing the flag for it, You help a criminal you become a criminal. No cheap healing bots for you.
Sales Merchant	Posted - 2006.12.12 11:07:00 - [60] Octobersnow have been around for a while, but their 'piracy' is nowhere of the calibre painted in the first post. If Jokers or Space Invaders were still about, hell even the old Biomass cartel then Octobersnow would be be exposed for what they are, just another gankbear corp. No.1 killers of noob ships and shuttles from 200km..Yes. No.1 killers overall..No. No.1 pirates? Don't be silly. Very few pirates are complaining, most have adapted, why haven't you Ginger?

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