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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:09:00 -
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OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang and I want to fit a remote armor repper to help gangmates out in combat or perhaps also to use logistics drones on them during combat.
Those who have watched the alliance tournament will have no doubt seen plenty of this sort of thing and it is essential for effective use of the gang system to maximise each ships abilities and ofc logistics ships which have no other purpose.
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp.
But here is the rub.All members of Octobersnow with the exception of alts are -5 or more and global criminals.If any member of snowy attempts to remote rep/sensor boost/energy tranfer etc etc another member we are immediately globally criminally flagged and sentry fired upon.This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
People in the same damn corp cannot even help each other out.
FOR the love of GOD FIX THIS **** CCP!!!!!!!!
Havent u nerfed piracy enough to at least give us this one little thing??????????
Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/12/2006 00:18:27
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I'm in a Ginger thread \o/
Sorry Ginger, but you post so many whines like this that you're unlikely to get any serious responses. There are things in the game meant to hinder piracy, and just because they exist doesn't mean they should be nerfed.
P.S. What's with the forum lag? Took me 4 minutes or so to post this.
You could also try remote-repping the remote-rep ships, you know.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:16:00 -
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Keep in mind that the tournament is based on rules that are vastly different from regular fights.
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Elaron
Minmatar
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:18:00 -
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You could always try 0.0. No sentry guns there.
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:18:00 -
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who is OctoberSnow? maybe the key to sucess it to pirate in 0.0 where there are no gate guns and you wont get beaten down. either that or tank the gate ;)
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Shi'ra Kull
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:18:00 -
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TW*T RUINS FORUMS! CCP PLEASE FIX!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Tortuga Reborn
who is OctoberSnow?
Pirate corporation known for their ego and effective ganking of shuttles and noobships.
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tortuga Reborn on 12/12/2006 00:26:25
Actually, thinking about this, shouldent CCP just make the gate guns spank em on sight? they are criminals, and as such shouldent be allowed in empire at all :)
This would add new dimention to the game, forcing pirates to get better and stay in 0.0 for periods of time :)
*dyslexic spelling edit*
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:22:00 -
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Keep up the good jokes Ginger, keep'em coming!
Number one corp... LOL!
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Dallan Arethi
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:22:00 -
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Wait, if all your mains are criminally flagged already, why exactly does it matter that remote-repping flags you?
For that matter, as everyone above me's said, why not go to 0.0 to gatecamp, or even just set your ships up to tank the sentry guns?
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:23:00 -
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Thanks Dark
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:25:00 -
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i dont get it thow, your assisting your mate killing a ship.... so why would you expect NOT to get GateGunSpanked?
they always cycle dangerious targets, and if your assisting your mate in being a dangerious target you are a danger too.
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Patric Murphy
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:28:00 -
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Her is a hit, its not repping a -5 that gets you flaged. It is helping a person with a criminal flag. And if one ship is getting shot at it only makes sense to be able to soot at anyone helping them.
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dallan Arethi
Wait, if all your mains are criminally flagged already, why exactly does it matter that remote-repping flags you?
For that matter, as everyone above me's said, why not go to 0.0 to gatecamp, or even just set your ships up to tank the sentry guns?
Because he doesn't have the stones to hang with the big boys that will rip him apart, so he camps low sec gates with his Carrier and shoots down shuttles and rookie ships. Actually he's even failed to do that right as he recently lost his Thanatos to a few battleships and support.
GG Ginger, you clown
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:31:00 -
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Not so easy without that large remote rep on the carrier, now is it?
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vile56
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: vile56 on 12/12/2006 00:37:01
Originally by: Ginger Magician
OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang and I want to fit a remote armor repper to help gangmates out in combat or perhaps also to use logistics drones on them during combat.
Those who have watched the alliance tournament will have no doubt seen plenty of this sort of thing and it is essential for effective use of the gang system to maximise each ships abilities and ofc logistics ships which have no other purpose.
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp.
But here is the rub.All members of Octobersnow with the exception of alts are -5 or more and global criminals.If any member of snowy attempts to remote rep/sensor boost/energy tranfer etc etc another member we are immediately globally criminally flagged and sentry fired upon.This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
People in the same damn corp cannot even help each other out.
FOR the love of GOD FIX THIS **** CCP!!!!!!!!
Havent u nerfed piracy enough to at least give us this one little thing??????????
Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion
well, for eve's #1 pvper you would think gm would have found out about this sooner.
I knew about rep agro after 5 days in eve, but i also attacked cruisers in frigs, not shuttles in carriers
 for finaly being on the first page of a gm topic
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:38:00 -
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Ginger spelled 'hypothetical' correctly...now I've seen it all.
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:38:32
Listen morons when I make a post I think it out and know my facts unlike most of you.
I am not talking about helping people who are already criminally flagged this situation applies to when u start to do anything to a another -5.even if both parties are not flagged or even if the party doing the remote stuff has a psotive security status he will be immediately flagged and fired upon.
This situation is clearly wrong and an unfair nerf on piracy.It does not affect gate camping because all members are flagged in any case.If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else.
It is clearly ridiculous that same corp memebers get flagged regardless.
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tortuga Reborn on 12/12/2006 00:44:04
Edited by: Tortuga Reborn on 12/12/2006 00:43:54
Dont really think anyone cares, your lowsec pirates, the carebears of pvp and ganking at gates, given now everyone has the warp to 0, and u can setup warp bubles in empire, you need to get a little braver and goto the other side where bad people stay
i still say anyone under -6.0 should be KOS for the gates :D
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Tactical Enterprise Group LTD
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:43:00 -
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I think its called aiding and abetting a criminal...
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:39:51
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:38:32
Listen morons when I make a post I think it out and know my facts unlike most of you.
I am not talking about helping people who are already criminally flagged this situation applies to when u start to do anything to another -5. Even if both parties are not flagged or even if the party doing the remote stuff has a postive security status he will be immediately flagged and fired upon.
This situation is clearly wrong and an unfair nerf on piracy. It does not affect gate camping because all members are flagged in any case. If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else.
It is clearly ridiculous that same corp memebers get flagged regardless.
For being who you are, I'm a little surprised [read: not at all surprised] you don't even know the most basic rules of engagement.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:44:00 -
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Rofl - Wooo - This is nearly as good as the ASCN titan thread. Just as historical, just happens alot more frequently:P Im sure this will be turned into a http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ soon enough ^^
And Ginger - you dont roam. You sit on the same gate, catching frigates in your thanatos, and then when you eventually get bored, or you see a force recon, you run for the station, move to another system, and camp someone in with your megathron, and then whine when you lose it.
What i suggest, and this is a really good suggestion and im sure people would agree with me here. My suggestion is : Go to 0.0, fight some real enemies, and then see why people laugh at your posts.
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Calel
Caldari
Sarlacc Pit Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Calel on 12/12/2006 00:46:14
Originally by:
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:39:51
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:38:32
Listen morons when I make a post I think it out and know my facts unlike most of you.
I am not talking about helping people who are already criminally flagged this situation applies to when u start to do anything to another -5. Even if both parties are not flagged or even if the party doing the remote stuff has a postive security status he will be immediately flagged and fired upon.
This situation is clearly wrong and an unfair nerf on piracy. It does not affect gate camping because all members are flagged in any case. If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else.
It is clearly ridiculous that same corp memebers get flagged regardless.
For being who you are, I'm a little surprised [read: not at all surprised] you don't even know the most basic rules of engagement.
Man you must get alot of time to read up on this stuff while you sit campinh the Hagilur gate killing noobs all day
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:47:00 -
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-5.0 people are KOS to everyone right? They are global criminals everywhere in empire pretty much.
If you help one of these criminals, you get flagged for 15 mins. What's wrong with that?
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Tortuga Reborn
ShavenPoodles
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Calel
VINI, VIDI, VICI!
shouldent this be VENI, VIDI, VICI!
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Eelim Garak
Armee der Finsternis
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:50:00 -
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Hello ginger, i dont know you, i never met you, so my answer is not biased.
you are correct when you say that the sentries open fire, even if the pilot you are
remote repping is not shooting or flagged, but just -5.
that is because you are helping a criminal (everyone below -4.9 is considered a criminal), which is forbidden by law, even in real life, if you help a murderer you will get trialed and punished for aiding a criminal.
so, it is not illogical or broken game mechanics, it just common sense that helping a criminal is illegal and makes you a criminal too.
Greets
Eelim Garak
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:08:00 -
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Despite it coming from Ginger Magician, I think he is right: sentries should not suddenly decide to start shooting at you if you aid a criminal that does not have aggression.
This is the situation I think hes complaining about:
Pilot A is -10 and sitting at a station. Sentries do not fire.
Pilot B comes along and activates a remote armor rep on Pilot A. Sentries fire at pilot B, leaving pilot A alone.
Pilot B should only be fired upon if the sentries are currently firing at pilot A at the time of remote boosting.
Not that any of this has anything to do with GM... hes always aggressed because he can't resist not firing at every shuttle that goes past.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion
That's official word kids, Caps lock is *NOT* Cruise Control for Cool.
Anyhow, such is the price of being a pirate. Learn to tank the sentries. Its not that hard at all. Particularly if you are remote repping each other.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:21:00 -
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Meh.. Not that I'm much of a fan of GM, but I don't think you guys give him enough credit.. He makes a rather good point.. If the gate/station guns do not automatically start firing at somebody -5 or lower, then why should they fire on the guy who is repping him??.. It doesn't make any sense.. Unless of course they change it so that criminals get shot on sight.. Then shooting people who aid them would be valid as well.. 'Course I doubt that would ever happen..
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:37:00 -
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That I think is an intended feature.
However idle drones engaging someone you remote repair should be fixed.
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Moraguth
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Posted - 2006.12.12 02:21:00 -
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Everyone says he uses a carrier, well that carrier should be able to tank the sentries for the support ship with it's remote reppers. Either that, or take advantage of the range bonus. You can repair armor at over 30km if you know what you're doing with a support ship, so have your sniper (whatever it is) sitting so that the support ship can support while outside sentry range.
good game
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.12.12 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang and I want to fit a remote armor repper to help gangmates out in combat or perhaps also to use logistics drones on them during combat.
Those who have watched the alliance tournament will have no doubt seen plenty of this sort of thing and it is essential for effective use of the gang system to maximise each ships abilities and ofc logistics ships which have no other purpose.
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp.
But here is the rub.All members of Octobersnow with the exception of alts are -5 or more and global criminals.If any member of snowy attempts to remote rep/sensor boost/energy tranfer etc etc another member we are immediately globally criminally flagged and sentry fired upon.This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
People in the same damn corp cannot even help each other out.
FOR the love of GOD FIX THIS **** CCP!!!!!!!!
Havent u nerfed piracy enough to at least give us this one little thing??????????
Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion
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Celestal
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:10:00 -
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LOL to all those suggesting the winger goto 0.0 or try proper pvp , u seen how many carriers and other ships he loses splatting nubs ? , if he went to proper pvp he cud only afford to fly shuttles .
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Jake Noble
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:18:00 -
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Question: What happens when you aid a criminal in RL? You become a criminal its a crime to help or aid a felon.
Now what happens when you aid a felon in game? You get criminally flagged. Pretty simple I think...
Now I would like to take this moment to ask why you post on the forums ginger - I do not mean that in a rude way but you always get flamed every time you post here usually because like this post its totally stupid, as this post seems like a pretty simple explanation to me...
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Trem Sinval
Sinval Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.12 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde
Caps lock is *NOT* Cruise Control for Cool.
Capitalization Is Cruise Control For Cool.
The Gang Rules Are Working Properly, Because Any Other Way Would Allow People To Side-Step The Crim Flag Rules By Ganging, Which Is Not As Cool As Capitalization.
In other words, no. Go to 0.0.
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.12 05:05:00 -
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I like whining on the forums.It gets all the little  excited.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.12.12 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tortuga Reborn
who is OctoberSnow?
October Snow is the little known prequel to the Guns n' Roses hit November Rain.
I have to agree with Ginger on this one though, you shouldn't be flagged for helping your own corp mate unless that corp mate is aggro'd.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.12 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/12/2006 06:29:19
Now, THAT is what's wrong... the "criminal flag" is bugged, true.
But it's not bugged in the sense GiMa seems to imply, that one is just fine.
It's bugged, because it doesn't auto-start when they (outlaws) enter the grid, as it should.
-5.0 sec status should be KoS by all "non-pirate-faction" gateguns and navies, wherever encountered.
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And by the way boost those damn gateguns already to 250km max range *from where they are*, not from what they guard.
And a bit more DPS from them wouldn't hurt either.
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Max Grief
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.12.12 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I think its called aiding and abetting a criminal...
quoted for truth
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
I like whining on the forums. It gets all the little excited.
Good thing reputation in Eve is meaningless, or you might have trouble being taken seriously.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.12 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 12/12/2006 07:21:55
Ginger Magician is normally taken serious when you're on AP in a small ship.
Supporting criminally flagged ships works like that for a long time.
That the security forces do not open fire clearly is a bug you should report and not exploit.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
WMD Special Forces
Dark Forces Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tortuga Reborn
who is OctoberSnow? maybe the key to sucess it to pirate in 0.0 where there are no gate guns and you wont get beaten down. either that or tank the gate ;)
Excellent suggestion.
The aggro against the skanky sec space pirates is a good idea, it stops you simply using a ceptor to tank gate guns, and you cant tank high sec gates now with 40 guys repping 1 guy....
It stops skanky players like the OP from coming into high sec and skankilly killing people.
Skanks.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hunter Kag on 12/12/2006 07:46:10
Didn't bother to read the thread. I felt the flames as soon as I saw the OP.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:01:00 -
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Good old Ginger Magician ..
Killing all those nublets in carrier must be very hard work. Take a break man, have a .. whatever? 
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game.
This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
Never heard of you guys. cant be THAT famous
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Senti Kai
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:35:00 -
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poor gate camper ... so sad 
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Despite it coming from Ginger Magician, I think he is right: sentries should not suddenly decide to start shooting at you if you aid a criminal that does not have aggression.
This is the situation I think hes complaining about:
Pilot A is -10 and sitting at a station. Sentries do not fire.
Pilot B comes along and activates a remote armor rep on Pilot A. Sentries fire at pilot B, leaving pilot A alone.
Pilot B should only be fired upon if the sentries are currently firing at pilot A at the time of remote boosting.
Not that any of this has anything to do with GM... hes always aggressed because he can't resist not firing at every shuttle that goes past.
Your example sounds fine enough, until you realize one thing. The person repairing the 'Criminal' is aiding a known criminal. Therein lies the problem. It is the reason the gate guns fire on the logistics ship.
Although here's a little twist, you come in to fight GM or one of his buddies from the #1 pvp corp in all of eve  and accidentally launch logistic drones instead of attack drones...
Pop goes the weasel
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:52:00 -
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Hasn't this been a mechanic since the days of m0o? I recall the whole 'aiding a known criminal' has been something you get flagged for, for as long as I can remember.
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Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:07:00 -
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What the hell is wrong with people really?
I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design.
There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you.
Less whining and offtopic blabbering please.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO
What the hell is wrong with people really?
I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design.
There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you.
Thats quite a different situation.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO
What the hell is wrong with people really?
I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design.
There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you.
Less whining and offtopic blabbering please.
If you're assisting someone doing something stupid, you get concordokken.
If you get concordokken without your target not being on the recieving end of Concord, then pettion and bugreport.
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Slax Kalimatar
Minmatar
Sarlacc Pit Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:36:00 -
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Good morning Ginger,
i know you, i had my fun with you (annoying you over one hour yesterday morning) and sorry not being in hagilur this morning to have fun with you and your guys again.
Priceless picture that a lone caracal pilot can fly around the gate without beeing catched for one hour.
And good call for reinforcements of a neutral pilot, a moa pilot and at least a malediction pilot.
and no armor repping at a distance at 360km is nono! guess i just disturbed your operations, when sprungle had to jump on me at that range.
guess thats too bad when you had just the moa at the gate instead and the instalocker had to lock and scram me far far away, additionally he lost 2x med drones (lol hammerhead I on a curse?) and you couldnt repair him after and many many other pilots got through hagilur safe, coz you couldnt catch them. /rant off
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for the remote armor repper usage, you are tanking with your carrier at the gate, ever thought of using repair drones, instead of combat drone or webber drones?
(but guess you are not using them, coz YOU want to be on the killmail, poor sprungle is getting only the shared points on kb, coz allmight Number Uno Ginger MUST be on the killmail as well)
Second, you know that you can command each drone by itself?
so command 2 rep drones on your gangmates, and you can still have one webber drone and two combat drones out there.
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp.
that one makes me drool, come on a famous corp no. 1 killers, but moaning that you cant rep yourself. sure it would be good that you can fit remote reps, so your gang mate that use armor tank can unfit their armor rep and instead i.e fitting one more damage mod or whatever.
But guess that wont happened soon.
have fun... we see us again in hagilur 
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Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:58:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:39:51
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/12/2006 00:38:32
If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else.
Wait, you want CCP to teach you to PvP so you can get off the gates???
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Horus Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.12 10:10:00 -
[54]
aiding criminal bla bla.
Would work...exept the criminal gos free. and the aider gets shot.
In al fairness the criminal should be punished more then the aider.
And hell...he should be atleast punished at all.
I dont care who posted it but its a valid point.
If sentrys dont fire on the criminal. they also shouldnt shoot at some1 who aids him.
(being a murderer is fine, giving him a lift however is punishable by death...riiiiight.)
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Posted - 2006.12.12 10:18:00 -
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I think it works this way so pirates cant camp gates using one ship as a super tank, and some support ships to keep the tank alive forever.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.12 10:31:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Horus Dark
Would work...exept the criminal gos free. and the aider gets shot.
In al fairness the criminal should be punished more then the aider.
They should both be punnished tbh... 
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Posted - 2006.12.12 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang(Ok hypothetical alright)
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 whiners in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its camping as well as morecamping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a ridiculed and largely ignored pvp corp.
Fixed
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.12 10:59:00 -
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 I'm in a GM thread.. (Sorry Always wanted to do that) but On topic, if there in the same corp they should not get flagged, if there not in the same corp then it's helping a crimnal and deserve to get flagged.
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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Efour
Amarr
Matari Shipworks
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:07:00 -
[59]
yay im in 1 too, i love you GM! seriously u r my idol one day i hope to be as cool as you.
Blue healing is bad so no dont even consider removing the flag for it, You help a criminal you become a criminal.
No cheap healing bots for you.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:07:00 -
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Octobersnow have been around for a while, but their 'piracy' is nowhere of the calibre painted in the first post. If Jokers or Space Invaders were still about, hell even the old Biomass cartel then Octobersnow would be be exposed for what they are, just another gankbear corp.
No.1 killers of noob ships and shuttles from 200km..Yes.
No.1 killers overall..No.
No.1 pirates? Don't be silly.
Very few pirates are complaining, most have adapted, why haven't you Ginger?
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Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:09:00 -
[61]
Havn't read all reply's.
Ginger, the mechanic was created, because a gang of corp m8's was blowing up people in yulai (if i remember correctly). And their support ships was not shot down. And now you want to revert to that same state and have people grief again, but now in Jita.
I guess CCP won't "unnerf" your piracy.
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FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:09:00 -
[62]
Methinks someone lost a logistics ship because they didnt understand game mechanics...could be wrong though.
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Slax Kalimatar
Minmatar
Sarlacc Pit Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Sales Merchant
*snip*
Very few pirates are complaining, most have adapted, why haven't you Ginger?
he has... thats why he is sitting day after day in a thanotos at hagilur gate or camping the station in otou, tanking the sentrys for himself and his corpmembers.
((and be a nice shooting practise target or whatever [enter here what you like}))
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:18:00 -
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I agree that the sentries should automatically shoot then.
If you remote-repair a pirate, then you should be flagged like the pirate, if you haven't been flagged your self before, like:
- if the pirate isn't flagged, the supporter doesn't get flagged for anything
- if the pirate has an agression timer running, the aupporter should get an agression timer too
- if the pirate is criminally flagged, the supporter should get flagged in the same way
Makes more sense to me. Just because you don't like GM doesn't mean, that he can't have a valid point.
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Slax Kalimatar
Minmatar
Sarlacc Pit Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:20:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Slax Kalimatar on 12/12/2006 11:21:35
Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 12/12/2006 11:19:06
Edited by: Plutoinum on 12/12/2006 11:18:26
I agree that the sentries should automatically shoot then.
If you remote-repair a pirate, then you should be flagged like the pirate, if you haven't been flagged your self before, like:
- if the pirate isn't flagged, the supporter doesn't get flagged for anything
- if the pirate has an agression timer running, the supporter should get an agression timer too
- if the pirate is criminally flagged, the supporter should get flagged in the same way
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Let the flags carry over to the supporter. Makes more sense to me. Just because you don't like GM doesn't mean, that he can't have a valid point.
you didnt read that, he got no valid point, you need to disagree with GM.
he wants that the supporter NOT to get flagged by supporting the 3 points above.
edith says: ok for #1 you its totally ok, if you got no flag, you will get no flag supporting, but thats about normal, isnt it?
and if you read carefully, he and his corp are -5.0 or lower, means they are permanent flagged...
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:27:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 12/12/2006 11:35:08
Originally by: Slax Kalimatar
and if you read carefully, he and his corp are -5.0 or lower, means they are permanent flagged...
Sentries don't shoot at a -10 character AFAIK, unless he engages a victim. So they shouldn't shoot the supporter, unless the pirate has engaged someone. Like I said, supporting a pirate, who isn't in combat, could cause a sec. hit, but not sentry fire imho. I think deriving/carrying over the flags and timers from the pirate to the supporter makes sense.
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migwar
Lawless Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:51:00 -
[67]
go to planet to rep up?
Its a criminal act, your helping that criminal get back up to armour to do naughty stuff again,
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Slax Kalimatar
Minmatar
Sarlacc Pit Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 12:55:00 -
[68]
Originally by: migwar
go to planet to rep up?
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he will not do that anyways.
1. He is in a carrier
2. He must disband his gate camp for rep up, though loosing noob ship killmails
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 12:55:00 -
[69]
No point saying "I'm in a GM thread" really... there are so many of them its hard not to be. Again this is comedy really. We could go on and on about how if ginger wanted some better gang mechanics he should go to 0.0 but that would just fuel the fire. Instead just everyone sit back and giggle quietly whenever he walks past. Don't say anything, just laugh.
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.12.12 13:01:00 -
[70]
The Op does have a point. It is a bit odd that your support character gets flagged a shot at BEFORE the character your supporting does. I mean I can understand you being shot at once your teammate make a criminal move, but when your sitting there doing nothing, your team mate shouldnt get penilized.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
The Op does have a point. It is a bit odd that your support character gets flagged a shot at BEFORE the character your supporting does. I mean I can understand you being shot at once your teammate make a criminal move, but when your sitting there doing nothing, your team mate shouldnt get penilized.
The one that is about to be repaired is already permanently flagged.
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Zarch AlDain
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.12.12 13:48:00 -
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The OP does have one going point...which is that the -5 person is not being fired on. The system is being inconsistent. Either the gate guns should automatically fire on anyone below -5 OR they should not fire on the logistics until such a time as the ship being helped aggresses.
Personally I don't mind either way - although I would experience a certain evil glee if the sentries just started opening up on anyone with low enough sec rating.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.12 14:01:00 -
[73]
this thread is funny on so many levels.
i tend to agree with what you say most of the time, but you cant expect people to take what you say seriously in context of the rest of the stuff you say
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Minmatar
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 14:20:00 -
[74]
rofl, seeing as ginger always seems to get the exact opposite resonse he wants, can you start a nerf nminnie thread, hell make an amarr one too
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.12 14:29:00 -
[75]
Quote:
I like whining on the forums.It gets all the little ugh excited.
Could this possibly be why you are one of the most hated eve players in the game? Not because you are good at PVP its been said time and time again and proven time and time again you really arent that good. Maybe the fact that you are the most arrogant players I have ever seen post on the forums; your ego is too big for this game and certainly you are not the best pvper - there is no way for anyone to say i am the best pvper in the game because you have never entered the PVP tournaments in the game and its safe to say I am almost certain some of the bob ascn and other pilots from large decent like that would destroy you.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 14:59:00 -
[76]
HI MOM! \o/
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:08:00 -
[77]
Some people seem to be getting confused.
There are two rough states in lowsec to do with criminality
Criminally Flagged- You are a free target but sentries will not engage you
Criminally Aggressed- You are a free target and sentries will engage you
I believe what GM is complaining about is that remotely assisting someone who is criminally flagged will make you criminally aggressed, when logically it should only make you criminally flagged.
As it stands now, assisting an outlaw is treated as a worse crime than being an outlaw, which seems wrong.
Ohgod, i almost agree with GM 
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Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:11:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Emsigma on 12/12/2006 15:13:53
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Listen morons when I make a post I think it out and know my facts unlike most of you.
You mean like the warp scrambling torpedoes and the fighters that jump through gates to follow their targets?
Apart from that I agree. YOu shouldn't get flagged for repping someone who does not have agression timer.
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:25:00 -
[79]
Where the hell is that guy with the TII Smallest Fiddle picture? I want him in here, now.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:27:00 -
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Aside from this being a Ginger thread, and as such deserves turning into a spam fest as usual, the guy's got a point.
The corp I'm in has exactly the same problem when engaging in our usual empire wars. When not out doing the whole yarr thing we like to declare war on corps that we feel might be fun to fight against. During these wars we've often wanted to use remote assistance as part of our tactics, but this mechanic prevents us.
Ignoring the fact that we're outlaws for a second, consider this:
Our corp enters a system, all of our guys have a remote repper fitted, so that we can assist whoever's called primary. Note that none of us are criminally flagged, sentries aren't firing on us, we're being good little boys, etc.
Now enter our concord authorised war targets. These guys are neutral sec but valid targets for us to shoot at due to the war dec. We have equal numbers and they also have fitted remote assistance mods (lets say for this example they all have remote shield reps because they're dirty stab abusing caldari scum).
If our corp wasn't outlaw, the following would happen:
They shoot one of ours, we rep him. We're all happy and dancing and eating pie and stuff.
We shoot one of theirs, they're also happy and dance and eat pie.
All is well.
Now take the fact that we're a pirate corp and are therefore outlaws (by corp policy of course, no npc whoring for us. To not flash red is to not be a '1337 piwat')
The following happens:
We shoot one of theirs, they rep him. They're happy and dance and eat pie, as before.
They shoot one of ours, we rep him. We don't dance or eat pie because we're not happy. Our nice fair equally matched battle of Us vs Them has now become Us vs Them + Uberomgwtfsentriesofdoom.
This is not good.
We weren't flagged, sentires didn't care that we were sat there but repping a gang mate is apparently some heinous crime and must be punished.
Lets get one thing straight: This isn't a whine to allow us to have logistics boosted infinitank gatecamps a la Zombie. Assisting someone who's flagged should flag the assistee, and quite rightly so. The problem is flagging someone who assisted a corpmate, who wasn't flagged but was an outlaw.
If the sentries don't care about us being there unflagged and causing no harm, why should they suddenly care because we repped a corpmate or someone remote repped one of their own drones, etc.
As much as it pains me to say so, I agree with Ginger...
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Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tortuga Reborn
who is OctoberSnow?
Pirate corporation known for their ego and effective ganking of shuttles and noobships.
That is correct. Plus the level of whinage GM reached lately is getting as big as his epeen.
Still, if in same corp, no matter what sec status you have, helping another corp member in any way should be allowed.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:44:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jake Noble
Edited by: Jake Noble on 12/12/2006 04:18:41
Question: What happens when you aid a criminal in RL? You become a criminal its a crime to help or aid a felon.
Now what happens when you aid a felon in game? You get criminally flagged. Pretty simple I think...
Carebear logic for the win eh?
Lets break this down for the hard of understanding among us:
RL Scenario 1:
A criminal is in the process of commiting a crime, you help him in a way that assists him in commiting said crime.
Result:
You are aiding and abetting a criminal in the process of commiting a crime. You are now considered a criminal, you get owned by the police.
IG Scenario 1:
An outlaw is camping a gate, is flagged and is pwning noobs left and right. You remote rep him, therefore assisting him in commiting his crime.
Result:
You are aiding and abetting a criminal in the process of commiting a crime. You are now considered a criminal, you get owned by the police.
This seems logical, no?
Now consider scenario 2.
RL Scenario 2:
A criminal who isn't in the process of commiting a crime is minding his own business, crossing a road. While crossing that road he gets hit by a car, is injured and needs medical attention. You notice this happening and perform emergency first aid.
Result:
You're a damn hero, and anyone who would even consider having you arrested for aiding and abetting a criminal would be laughed at for being a looney.
Still with me?
IG Scenario 2:
An outlaw is sat near a station, minding his own business, not causing any harm to anyone and isn't flagged. A friend of his comes along and notices he needs his armour repairing.
Result:
The good samaritan gets flagged for no reason and gets omgwtfpwned by the sentries.
Still think that it's a valid game mechanic?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Damien Smith
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Sounds like a bug to me. Petition for reimbursement and send in a bug report.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:57:00 -
[84]
Ginger is correct and this is a fault in the flagging mechanics. people jumping to flame just because it's him are the ones that can't do anything about him ingame and are happy to have some relief on the forums at least. go dig up the stupid threads about scramming torps and uber AFs and flame there if you want. this one is correct.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.12 15:59:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Damien Smith
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Sounds like a bug to me.
You're damn right. Unfortunately until it's officially recognised as such, it will remain a 'game mechanic'.
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Zebler
Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:02:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Damien Smith
RL Scenario 2:
A criminal who isn't in the process of commiting a crime is minding his own business, crossing a road. While crossing that road he gets hit by a car, is injured and needs medical attention. You notice this happening and perform emergency first aid.
Result:
You're a damn hero, and anyone who would even consider having you arrested for aiding and abetting a criminal would be laughed at for being a looney.
Still with me?
IG Scenario 2:
An outlaw is sat near a station, minding his own business, not causing any harm to anyone and isn't flagged. A friend of his comes along and notices he needs his armour repairing.
Result:
The good samaritan gets flagged for no reason and gets omgwtfpwned by the sentries.
Still think that it's a valid game mechanic?
Yup, still thinking its working as intended. There is no EVE equivalent of your real life scenario. The only reason that the criminal is low on armour is because he has been up to no good at some point in the past. There are no innocent cars coming along to hurt him 
EVE has given the pirate ample chances to mend his ways. They cannot track him everywhere that he goes. By the time he is -5, the game just assumes that if he is in trouble, he has only himself to blame. It also assumes that anyone helping him for any reason is commiting an offence and should be flagged.
The only thing wrong here is that sentry guns are not shooting ppl with -5 on sight. They are sentry guns after all, they are meant to shoot at criminals.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:19:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Zebler
Yup, still thinking its working as intended. There is no EVE equivalent of your real life scenario.
The only reason that the criminal is low on armour is because he has been up to no good at some point in the past.
Ok, theoretical situation for you:
A -10 sec pirate decides to go carebear, so he travels to 0.0 and slowly begins the long process of regaining his sec status. He gets to -5.1, then needs to return to low sec to stock up on ammo and drones.
While travelling to his home station he jumps into a pirate gatecamp, takes damage but escapes. A few systems over he's spotted by a member of the high sec carebear mission running corp he's planning to join (once he gets his sec up that is). His friend is a noob of the most harmless kind, who simply wants to help his new friend and save him a few isk on repairs.
His carebear friend gets owned by sentries.
Originally by: Zebler
There are no innocent cars coming along to hurt him
No, but there are pirates, antipirates, random griefers, npc's, etc, etc.
Originally by: Zebler
By the time he is -5, the game just assumes that if he is in trouble, he has only himself to blame.
We all know what assumption is the mother of don't we?
Originally by: Zebler
It also assumes that anyone helping him for any reason is commiting an offence and should be flagged.
See above.
Originally by: Zebler
The only thing wrong here is that sentry guns are not shooting ppl with -5 on sight. They are sentry guns after all, they are meant to shoot at criminals.
Surely that's not deterrent enough for these evil psychotic pirates. After all they torture small animals in real life, have no friends and are generally bad eggs.
Here's an idea: Why not make all PvP consentual only, make all offensive modules inoperable in empire space, hell, why not ask for a full psychiatric evaluation to be performed before you're allowed to connect and ban anyone who would consider attacking anyone for any reason from the game?
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Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:26:00 -
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Helping a criminal(See low sec status, or blinking), is a criminal.
I think this is good.
Quit whining, just because cant gank shuttles and noobships anymore
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:35:00 -
[89]
Yoo Hoo im in a Ginger Thread.
Have fun practacing your LeeT skills poding shuttles and newbs with your carrier
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:35:00 -
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I've cleaned this thread up now, I would be wary of posting any more troll here - Mmmkay ?
Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
However, instead of posting in an imflamatory fashion here, I suggest that you send a Bug Report in.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Suvetar
Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
If you helped someone while they were commiting a crime, you would be aiding and abetting. No one's disputing that.
The point we're making that if a random guy helped an armed robber change a flat tyre a week after he'd held up a bank, said random guy wouldn't be arrested, tried, and executed for it. That's basically what this 'mechanic' equates to. The difference is whether the criminal is 'criminally flagged' or not, not whether he's a 'bad guy' or a 'good guy'.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:30:00 -
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For such a l33t player, I cant believe you posted this silly stuff on the forum.
What a noob.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: Suvetar
Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
If you helped someone while they were commiting a crime, you would be aiding and abetting. No one's disputing that.
The point we're making that if a random guy helped an armed robber change a flat tyre a week after he'd held up a bank, said random guy wouldn't be arrested, tried, and executed for it. That's basically what this 'mechanic' equates to. The difference is whether the criminal is 'criminally flagged' or not, not whether he's a 'bad guy' or a 'good guy'.
It is correct!
We are talking about people that atack other players indiscri... whatever .... pop other players 24x7.
If you aid a recogned criminal and flagged criminal player then face the music, the guy shoots people then he's on his own you help him you get wtfpwnd!
Simple game mechanics that do not apply to real life, deal with it and adapt.
*(btw i don't want to sound hipocritical with this cuz i started this game as ebil newbie piwate...wich i still am in part)
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:48:00 -
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Logistics ships can tank sentries.
Alts in bbs that are 2 weeks old rem sensor boosting cannot tank sentries.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.12.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball
Logistics ships can tank sentries.
Alts in bbs that are 2 weeks old rem sensor boosting cannot tank sentries.
this thread has nothing to do with remote boosting people that tank sentries.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eelim Garak
you are correct when you say that the sentries open fire, even if the pilot you are
remote repping is not shooting or flagged, but just -5.
that is because you are helping a criminal (everyone below -4.9 is considered a criminal), which is forbidden by law, even in real life, if you help a murderer you will get trialed and punished for aiding a criminal.
so, it is not illogical or broken game mechanics, it just common sense that helping a criminal is illegal and makes you a criminal too.
I feel really wrong supporting a gatecamper, but Ginger is right. 
As long as the guns don't fire automatically on a -5 standing player, they shouldn't fire on the friend repping him.
It is like the police was arresting the one helping the murder in the above example, but left the murder free to go as he isn't currently killing someone.
I can argue that the gate guns should always fire on the -5 people in high sec, but that is another matter.
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Saladin
Minmatar
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:32:00 -
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I sorta see what Ginger is saying here. Attacking corp mates does not criminally flag you, so neither should repairing them.
The problem here is that they could be at the gate, doing nothing, and sentries not shooting. Then one remote boosts the other and sentries start shooting - Clearly there is something wrong with this picture. The remote boosting should only trigger a response when its done during combat with a third party.
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Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dumus on 12/12/2006 20:47:00
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Athren Soulsteal
Gallente
Orion Faction
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:06:00 -
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Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
Look at the bold part.
The reasion the guns ope up is because you are commiting a crime in front of them. You might as well have shot at a player at the gate, both are criminal actions.
When you help a criminal you are commiting a crime are are flagged not because of the other guy but becuse your OWN actions. You made youself a criminal and paid the price for it. See if you would have shot the -5 instead of reparing him then you would not have been commiting a crime. 
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Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zebler
The only reason that the criminal is low on armour is because he has been up to no good at some point in the past. There are no innocent cars coming along to hurt him
...becauese "criminals" never run complexes or level 4s?
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
This situation is clearly wrong and an unfair nerf on piracy. It does not affect gate camping because all members are flagged in any case. If CCP wants to get us off the gates and to roam more we mut be given equally footing with everyone else.
It is clearly ridiculous that same corp memebers get flagged regardless.
While somewhat ridiculous, it is perhaps even more ridicolous that the guns don't open fire automatically. After all, they do recognize you as criminals that can be shot on sight everywhere....
On the other hand, why would you want to remote rep in the sight of gate guns when there is no fight going on?
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Qece
Gallente
Dead End Zeroes
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Athren Soulsteal
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Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
Look at the bold part.
The reasion the guns ope up is because you are commiting a crime in front of them. You might as well have shot at a player at the gate, both are criminal actions.
When you help a criminal you are commiting a crime are are flagged not because of the other guy but becuse your OWN actions. You made youself a criminal and paid the price for it. See if you would have shot the -5 instead of reparing him then you would not have been commiting a crime.
So GM's friend who is the known criminal that you're speaking of can sit in front of a sentry and not get attacked but GM reps him and he gets blowed up?
Do you not see GM's point? You and all the other people that have failed to grasp this fairly simple concept have mostly not managed it because you'd rather jump on his back. Think about what he's saying before you set the flamer on full.
I agree with GM, it's not right that he alone should get blowed up by the sentries. The guns must know that GM's buddy is a crim as they nailed GM once he tried to rep him. IMO that means that the guns should just blow up his buddy first of all anyhow, aggression cooldown or not.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 12/12/2006 23:51:21
-5.0 = criminal, assist a crimal = flagged, simple as that
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Suvetar
I've cleaned this thread up now, I would be wary of posting any more troll here - Mmmkay ?
Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
However, instead of posting in an imflamatory fashion here, I suggest that you send a Bug Report in.
Maybe u should try actually playing and learning about the game rather than reading forums.
THIS IS NOT A BUG.It is the way the game mechanic works atm.
The way to solve this is to have the idea suggested here.If a corp member is -5 and is crIminally flagged and being fired upon by sentries then remote assitance of any kind should lead to flagging for the assister.However if the person your assisting is merely -10 and not flagged at that time then it is obvious that the assister should not instantly be criminaly flagged and sentry fired on.
The inteligent reponses and respected pvp/pirates in this thread all agree with me so maybe something will be done eventually.
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 13/12/2006 02:25:53
Originally by: Blind Man
-5.0 = criminal, assist a crimal = flagged, simple as that
QFT, even if the one your assiting is not aggro flagged, your supporting a known criminal with a global flag and subject to penalty.
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Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:27:00 -
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
OK lets take a hypothetical example.I am in a small roaming pvp gang and I want to fit a remote armor repper to help gangmates out in combat or perhaps also to use logistics drones on them during combat.
Those who have watched the alliance tournament will have no doubt seen plenty of this sort of thing and it is essential for effective use of the gang system to maximise each ships abilities and ofc logistics ships which have no other purpose.
Now take the position of Octobersnow Corp a game famous corp no.1 killers in the game on the battleclinic killboards.You would have hoped that such a corp known for its roaming gangs as well as camping would be able to use these support features to maximize their skills and setups in PVP.In fact u would have thought that such setups would be commonplace among such a feared and sucessful pvp corp.
But here is the rub.All members of Octobersnow with the exception of alts are -5 or more and global criminals.If any member of snowy attempts to remote rep/sensor boost/energy tranfer etc etc another member we are immediately globally criminally flagged and sentry fired upon.This is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
People in the same damn corp cannot even help each other out.
FOR the love of GOD FIX THIS **** CCP!!!!!!!!
Havent u nerfed piracy enough to at least give us this one little thing??????????
Please don't use all caps in subject -Conuion
So basicly you want to be able to sit your carrier at a gate, and use capital reps on alts without your carrier being flagged and shot at?
Your sec status has nothing to do with it, assisting a criminal is a criminal act, end of discussion.
And who are octobersnow?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO
What the hell is wrong with people really?
I dont know this guy or his history, but this issue is real. And it is completely idiotic game design.
There has been incidents of concord ganking people who are doing missions in gang. You help your friend with remote repair drones for example and concord pops in and ganks you.
Actually, those people fire weapons on their gangmates. Energy/armor/shield transfers do not trigger concord, nor do maint drones.
Also you can fire on corpmates with anything and not get popped, unless you're in an NPC corp.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:03:00 -
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I quit reading when he referred to Battleclinic as some sort of scale to rate his own laughing-stock corporation.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:06:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Beringe
I quit reading when he referred to Battleclinic as some sort of scale to rate his own laughing-stock corporation.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:16:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: Suvetar
Right; to the Op - AFAIK the mechanic is correct because once you hit -5.0 you are in essence permanently flagged as you're proven to be dangerous, anyone helping you would be aiding and abetting.
If you helped someone while they were commiting a crime, you would be aiding and abetting. No one's disputing that.
The point we're making that if a random guy helped an armed robber change a flat tyre a week after he'd held up a bank, said random guy wouldn't be arrested, tried, and executed for it. That's basically what this 'mechanic' equates to. The difference is whether the criminal is 'criminally flagged' or not, not whether he's a 'bad guy' or a 'good guy'.
Actually, if a known criminal were to come to you, and tell you they need their tires replaced because they got shot out, and you helped them, you would most certainly find yourself facing jailtime.
And if some crime lord were dying and you saved their life, yes there's a certain group out there that would hail you as a hero, however there'd be alot of people wondering why the hell you just saved him, as he's going to live and commit more crimes, and you're going to likely have made very dangerous enemies in the process, and possibly get probed by the authorities to make sure you have no connections to said criminal.
Regardless, the mechanic is fine as is. If someone sees flashing red and helps anyways, then they've made their choice.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.13 09:41:00 -
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Enough has been said about this; if you think there's problem here - you need to send a bug report.
Continuing to rant and troll your own thread won't get you anywhere.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.13 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Damien Smith on 13/12/2006 09:51:53
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
So basicly you want to be able to sit your carrier at a gate, and use capital reps on alts without your carrier being flagged and shot at?
Congratulations on still not understanding the problem after three whole pages of discussion.
Assist an outlaw who is flagged = become flagged yourself and get pwned by sentries = good.
Assist an outlaw who isn't flagged, isn't attacking anyone = get pwned by sentries = bad.
Here it in caps for the slower members among us:
THIS ISN'T A THREAD ABOUT BEING ABLE TO CREATE INFINITANK GATECAMPS BY USING UNFLAGGABLE LOGISTICS ALTS. IT ISN'T ABOUT BEING ABLE TO PERFORM A RE-CREATION OF ZOMBIE'S ATTACK ON YULAI. IF YOU ASSIST SOMEONE WHO'S FLAGGED, YOU SHOULD GET FLAGGED.
IF YOU ASSIST SOMEONE WHO ISN'T FLAGGED, WHO MAY BE SAT AT A SAFESPOT MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS OR MAY BE AN OUTLAW REPAIRING ONE OF THEIR OWN DRONES WITH A REMOTE REP, WHILE STILL UNFLAGGED AND CAUSING NO HARM, THEY SHOULDN'T GET FLAGGED FOR IT.
There, now is there anyone else who still doesn't get it?
I'm sat in a belt in my Thorax. I notice one of my drones needs repairing after killing some rats, so I remote repair it so I don't have to pay a station to do it for me. I then get owned by the next sentry gun I come across. Great eh?
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