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Unbeliever Kresmoreen Communist Vikings Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:48:00 - [181] Yeh well as others have said /disagree with the uh, neutral entity starting a punchup. From what ive seen of TaSessine/Serenity Steele, they're very intelligent managers/organisers. They seem to be trying (from a business/neutrality standpoint) to get something worked out. Shooty shooty is fine, but tbh wrecking ISS (if you did) would be a damn shame. Levels of organisation that few (if any) other alliances show. /2c
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Communist Vikings Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 - [182] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 13/12/2006 13:26:25 Originally by: Silvestri so the investors don't mind if ISS spend billions on merc's.....only asking. If its in the defense of their assets... no /me plays the Banjo in this thread owh and yeh... read the IPO. 5% guaranteed return pcm. Long as they get this, how or why would they complain?
Borium Isotope Laboratories	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:08:00 - [183] Edited by: Borium on 13/12/2006 14:08:35 What is with IAC complaining that people manipulate the markets? 2 public outposts with capitalistic markets. What else did you expect to happen if people see the discrepancies they will exploit them for profit. Pretty basic market running. As for not wanting to attack the stations, lets use this little scenario: Hey buddy lets have a fun airsoft game. And maybe later I'll kill your children. Now do you bring an airsoft gun or a real one? Funny how IAC takes a jab that some of iss were in a pos in f4, what else were they to do? you were all sitting in the station.
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:15:00 - [184] Edited by: Halafian on 13/12/2006 14:16:39 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/12/2006 01:17:13 OK, so you declared war on ISS. All is well and good here, but then... you complain when they attack you? Seriously, that's a bit silly. If you set someone to -10, they have every right to come attack your stations, regardless who they are. That's what I'm finding so strange, not that I'm not enjoying the show, I really am. But complaining that the guy you attacked doesn't fight back the way you want him too, because it's not fun for you... I will reply to this : ISS propaganda were painting us as if we were going to take their outposts. We were not. They have broken their policies for no logical reasons. This is not a complain thread. This is a thread that explains the situation to would be investors, neighbors and general forum reader. "No logical reasons"? Originally by: Raem Civrie Anyway. Nice stations, we'll take them! Originally by: DHB FooFighter Just to clarify a few things for our members and others. We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's... though time will only tell who will own what station when. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I was quite clear about not knowing if we would attack your outposts or not. If you think I wasn't serious, that's your problem. ?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:32 ] Count TaSessine > is this just general shooty shooty or outpost assaulting we're talking about? ?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > who knows ! ?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > i don't atm ?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:57 ] Count TaSessine > Tyrrax, I'm serious, the whole tone of the conflict depends on it - I think a clear statement of intent is something on both our interests ?[ 2006.12.10 22:10:27 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > shooting pos is certainly not out of the question. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough. Originally by: n sx (...) you asked us flatout 5 minutes after the announcement whether we were taking ISS stations. Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing. You threatened us that it would curb your response actions and we didn't budge. (...) I draw your attention in particular to the comments by Tyrrax Thorrk, in response to the Count. (And by the way, where's the apology to the Count?) What are the standings of Tyrrax Thorrk, DHB FooFighter, Raem Civrie, and n sx in IAC? Do they or don't they speak for your alliance? If they do, why shouldn't we take them at their word, especially when asked so clearly and directly, as in the conversation between the Count and Tyrrax? edit: I hasten to add that I am not any kind of ISS representative, and expect to be reprimanded for having posted here. Apologies!
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:18:00 - [185] I ♥ Kaylana --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:19:00 - [186] Originally by: Kaylana Syi ISS propaganda were painting us as if we were going to take their outposts. Chatlogs posted by your own alliance says otherwise. You were vague about it at the least, but this isn't even important: Originally by: Kaylana Syi They have broken their policies for no logical reasons. And still the community is waiting to hear which policies were broken.. Originally by: Kaylana Syi Nothing beats having good PVPers in local. We've been longing to fight a good fight and we have one. But we want it to be known what happens next isn't OUR provocations. When ISS looses its outposts now it will because they chose horrible policy. We want the public to be aware of this. So YOU attack ISS, hinting that you might take their stations (please don't deny this, we've all read the thread posted by your fellow IAC members!). Wait, let me quote te be sure: Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk [ 2006.12.10 22:07:32 ] Count TaSessine > is this just general shooty shooty or outpost assaulting we're talking about? [ 2006.12.10 22:07:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > who knows ! [ 2006.12.10 22:09:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > i don't atm [ 2006.12.10 22:09:57 ] Count TaSessine > Tyrrax, I'm serious, the whole tone of the conflict depends on it - I think a clear statement of intent is something on both our interests [ 2006.12.10 22:10:27 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > shooting pos is certainly not out of the question This was posted by one of your own, so there's no denying this chat took place. And now you use the lame excuse ISS started the outpost taking to justify your own ambitions. What did you think? You could start a war and set up some rules!? Guys, we're going to attack you, but we're not going to do pos spamming until we say so okay? And let's not use carriers, missiles and drones. The fighting should take place at Marginis and Tycho please. And if you don't comply were going to run to the forums and yell you're not following your charter. Nice try, in war there are no rules. You talk about all the people behind IAC, did you check what kind of alliance ISS is? It has shareholders and alliances that depend on open ISS stations to do business. This whole war sure interrupted my business, thank you very much IAC.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:20:00 - [187] War is war. If somebody declares war on my corp we will do pretty much anything allowable by the game rules to hurt them. There are no pretty limits or rules of engagement. I think ISS have every right to respond to the IAC aggression by using their pvp advantages (cold hard cash and income) and utilising them against the people that started the fighting. Someone comes against me I want to pay back their aggression by cutting off the hand raised against me. How could you expect ISS to do any less? If you want to discuss diplomacy with ISS you'd probably better start by: a) beating them in space. b) fighting them to a standstill. c) surrendering. At this stage thats the options available. Star Fraction is recruiting
Toman Torax Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:41:00 - [188] All I want for Christmas is a Seleene post. (combat) Your Inferno Torpedo hits Taisu Magdesh, doing 604.5 damage.
Kassad Gents with Big Sticks	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:41:00 - [189] Originally by: Halafian What are the standings of Tyrrax Thorrk, DHB FooFighter, Raem Civrie, and n sx in IAC? Do they or don't they speak for your alliance?? Currently, I and although my intel is not prefect, it cetainly is a lot better than the general Eve populace. Tyrrax Thorak is the elected second in command of the alliance. Official Speaker DHB Foofighter is IAC Fleet commander and well known for dictating alliance policy Official Speaker NSX, not quite sure (cos I don't really care ), but he was the second in alliance command and widely tipped as being the new head honcho Official Speaker Raem Civrie, as far as I can see, if the lowest rank here as an alliance director. hoever IAC is ran by a board of directors with reps from each corp, and while not in an offical elected capacity, in times of duress, has alliance authority to speak publicly when no one better is around around Official Speaker All of these 4 are also obviously alliance directors, and as such, doubley qualified to speak for the alliance in an official capacity
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:14:00 - [190] Originally by: Press Officer Could this "Offically" be classed as the shortest "were going to get you, mummy mummy mummy, the big guys don't like me" war ever 2 Weeks in planning, 1st day operational combat , 2nd day running to the forums .... Nice plan IAC ...... what's a "p l a n" ? ______________________________________
Jack Sigma Caldari Extinction Level Event	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:16:00 - [191] Lol @ IAC tbh, you start hostilities and then complain about the manner in which your chosen opponent fights back...pfft
Samiloth Justinian AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:25:00 - [192] Originally by: Kaylana Syi IAC had the intention of getting the ISS leadership's attention with negative standings Well, that is a success. It will be interesting to see what the "what now?" plan is.
Wylker The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:12:00 - [193] Well, from a personal standpoint I was disapppointed to see both the kind of rabble that IAC is keeping as company lately and that they decided to attack us out of the blue. I want to be clear that I have always thought of IAC as being a fellow anti-pirate and industrial/free trade alliance that I have flown alongside of (or at least through their gatecamps) a time or two. That being said, I also always appriciate it when theres a little action roaming around :). Now, to put some perspective on this entire thread. Once again I see people that make their living ganking miners, haulers, traders, and industrialists in the pipes (read: pirates) talking about how evil ISS is. The ONLY way that anyone gets shot by ISS pilots is if they attack us first. The best example of this is PRI. They got their hand slapped in 9UY and have never stopped complaining since. For every person out there that whines about ISS gate camps, wolf packs, or gank squads, the answer is very simple: DO NOT SHOOT US. If you can manage that, you can take advantage of every single asset that ISS holds and propogates in 0.0. People seem to confuse being a neutral alliance and/or being industrialist with being a fat, juicy target that you can push around like you are some kind of school yard bully. Well Mr. Bully, little Johnny knows karate, sorry dude. As far as the POS warfare thing, I don't know how you could EVER expect to not receive this type of response. If you come into my home, kill my friends and family, and then think you can walk back across the street and be safe, you are dead wrong. If you attack someone, and do not expect them to try and respond with overwhelming force, you are just stupid. I think someone has already said it, but I reiterate, you can not start a war and then expect to dictate where and how it will be fought. A last note. While you talk smack on our losses, you fail to realize that you are essentially fighting a group of people that really haven't fought before. That doesn't make them stupid, or bad people, but you spent two weeks building up to start this conflict, and pretty soon those farmers will turn their plowshares into arms, and you will truely begin to understand the fury that can be unleashed in response to your cowardly actions. I salute everyone in ISS that so far has dropped what they were doing and given what they can to our efforts. For every one of you that has posted on the forums "I can't do much, but heres my tackler, where do you need me", you have my utmost respect. To IAC, I have 0 respect left for the actions of your leaders. Between the rhetoric of this attack and the people you have decided to ally with, your credibility as a friend has been lost completely. I hope that your pilots look around and realize the kind of people they have made their bed with. You should pray that the stink of PRI does not follow you to your demise. Click the sig to understand
Hellown Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:24:00 - [194] Originally by: Wylker Now, to put some perspective on this entire thread. Once again I see people that make their living ganking miners, haulers, traders, and industrialists in the pipes (read: pirates) talking about how evil ISS is. The ONLY way that anyone gets shot by ISS pilots is if they attack us first. The best example of this is PRI. They got their hand slapped in 9UY and have never stopped complaining since. For every person out there that whines about ISS gate camps, wolf packs, or gank squads, the answer is very simple: DO NOT SHOOT US. If you can manage that, you can take advantage of every single asset that ISS holds and propogates in 0.0. People seem to confuse being a neutral alliance and/or being industrialist with being a fat, juicy target that you can push around like you are some kind of school yard bully. Well Mr. Bully, little Johnny knows karate, sorry dude. As far as the POS warfare thing, I don't know how you could EVER expect to not receive this type of response. If you come into my home, kill my friends and family, and then think you can walk back across the street and be safe, you are dead wrong. If you attack someone, and do not expect them to try and respond with overwhelming force, you are just stupid. I think someone has already said it, but I reiterate, you can not start a war and then expect to dictate where and how it will be fought. A last note. While you talk smack on our losses, you fail to realize that you are essentially fighting a group of people that really haven't fought before. That doesn't make them stupid, or bad people, but you spent two weeks building up to start this conflict, and pretty soon those farmers will turn their plowshares into arms, and you will truely begin to understand the fury that can be unleashed in response to your cowardly actions. I salute everyone in ISS that so far has dropped what they were doing and given what they can to our efforts. For every one of you that has posted on the forums "I can't do much, but heres my tackler, where do you need me", you have my utmost respect. To IAC, I have 0 respect left for the actions of your leaders. Between the rhetoric of this attack and the people you have decided to ally with, your credibility as a friend has been lost completely. I hope that your pilots look around and realize the kind of people they have made their bed with. You should pray that the stink of PRI does not follow you to your demise. QFT wylker, great post there. ISS are known to rally behind their leaders in a time of need, this is one, and they NEED another station. :) GL ISS Shinra, the good guys.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:34:00 - [195] Edited by: maGz on 13/12/2006 16:37:40 Originally by: Wylker Well, from a personal standpoint I was disapppointed to see both the kind of rabble that IAC is keeping as company lately and that they decided to attack us out of the blue. I want to be clear that I have always thought of IAC as being a fellow anti-pirate and industrial/free trade alliance that I have flown alongside of (or at least through their gatecamps) a time or two. That being said, I also always appriciate it when theres a little action roaming around :). Now, to put some perspective on this entire thread. Once again I see people that make their living ganking miners, haulers, traders, and industrialists in the pipes (read: pirates) talking about how evil ISS is. The ONLY way that anyone gets shot by ISS pilots is if they attack us first. The best example of this is PRI. They got their hand slapped in 9UY and have never stopped complaining since. For every person out there that whines about ISS gate camps, wolf packs, or gank squads, the answer is very simple: DO NOT SHOOT US. If you can manage that, you can take advantage of every single asset that ISS holds and propogates in 0.0. People seem to confuse being a neutral alliance and/or being industrialist with being a fat, juicy target that you can push around like you are some kind of school yard bully. Well Mr. Bully, little Johnny knows karate, sorry dude. As far as the POS warfare thing, I don't know how you could EVER expect to not receive this type of response. If you come into my home, kill my friends and family, and then think you can walk back across the street and be safe, you are dead wrong. If you attack someone, and do not expect them to try and respond with overwhelming force, you are just stupid. I think someone has already said it, but I reiterate, you can not start a war and then expect to dictate where and how it will be fought. A last note. While you talk smack on our losses, you fail to realize that you are essentially fighting a group of people that really haven't fought before. That doesn't make them stupid, or bad people, but you spent two weeks building up to start this conflict, and pretty soon those farmers will turn their plowshares into arms, and you will truely begin to understand the fury that can be unleashed in response to your cowardly actions. I salute everyone in ISS that so far has dropped what they were doing and given what they can to our efforts. For every one of you that has posted on the forums "I can't do much, but heres my tackler, where do you need me", you have my utmost respect. To IAC, I have 0 respect left for the actions of your leaders. Between the rhetoric of this attack and the people you have decided to ally with, your credibility as a friend has been lost completely. I hope that your pilots look around and realize the kind of people they have made their bed with. You should pray that the stink of PRI does not follow you to your demise. I actually started reading this response in hopes of getting a good discussion out of it, then I came to the part in bold. What are you on about? PRI wasn't in 9UY and we sure as hell have never been hand-slapped by ISS. While your post may have some merit I can't help but laugh at you now as it's obvious you have no clue whatsoever about anything you're talking about. PS. Did the guys from C3- say hi from us? I asked them to say hi EDIT. Regarding the stink of PRI - 'til I see you in space fighting, hold off the smack! ____________ The Priory Killboard
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:53:00 - [196] Indeed it was The Establishment, Veto (now working for ISS) and FZN that were involved in the 9UY siege fighting UK and ISS. Priory had no hand in that... ------------------------------ Blog's back - for now Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:54:00 - [197] Originally by: Wylker Pwnage Talk /signed
Wylker The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:27:00 - [198] Edited by: Wylker on 13/12/2006 17:31:06 Yes I must amend my statement, I was thinking of the conflict with VIRII, don't know why I typed 9UY. Anyway, I'll update my post. deleted, doesn't probably need to be brought up And don't worry, I'm out there, you just have to look closer :) Click the sig to understand
ER0X The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:56:00 - [199] Edited by: ER0X on 13/12/2006 17:57:12 Originally by: Wylker Well Mr. Bully, little Johnny knows karate, sorry dude. [/quote Classic line Wylker. ISS = the Ralph Macchio of Eve
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:25:00 - [200] Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 18:26:50 Great posts all round from ISS and those who see IAC for what they are. I don't actually feel a need to troll this thread anymore, its gone the direction I expected and hoped it would. See you in space, IAC. ps - Wylker, great post, mate :)
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:31:00 - [201] Edited by: Ange1 on 13/12/2006 18:31:56 May I add to MaGz's post by saying that ISS never hand slapped The Establishment. As I recall, ISS/UK was forced to hire MC to do that. May I also add that ISS has had more than one spanking by the Nyx The Establishment is at your service...
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:35:00 - [202] IAC are -10 to us, but I generally have great respect for you guys. Unfortunately, however, this post is pretty stupid, what exactly did you expect ISS to do after you set them to -10? If they have a hostile entity with a station nearby, the obvious thing to do would be to take it, makes you less effective in launching attacks. Everyone in the eve community who reads these forums know the MC do alot of work for ISS anyhow, so it shouldn't have come of much of a suprise that they are involved. You can't declare war then complain when you didn't want this kind of war.
Kassad Gents with Big Sticks	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:35:00 - [203] Edited by: Kassad on 13/12/2006 18:37:04 Edited by: Kassad on 13/12/2006 18:35:32 Originally by: Ange1 Edited by: Ange1 on 13/12/2006 18:31:56 May I add to MaGz's post by saying that ISS never hand slapped The Establishment. As I recall, ISS/UK was forced to hire MC to do that. Who are you going to blame? The sword or the hand that wields it? nuff said
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:36:00 - [204] ISS has never hand slapped anyone lol. If you issn really think you have a half ass chance in any sort of fight why do you constantly bring in the MC?? The reason is you guys are absolutely horrible in a fight and which is why you guys will never engage a priory gang unless you have enormous odds with some carrier support.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:40:00 - [205] Originally by: Kassad Who are you going to blame? Well typically I blame Pylse, he makes for an excellent scapecoat The Establishment is at your service...

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:57:00 - [206] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think this thread has run its course... I eagerly await Seleene's War Story. Mod please lock this thread. click. forum rules

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:03:00 - [207] Originally by: Ange1 Edited by: Ange1 on 13/12/2006 18:31:56 May I add to MaGz's post by saying that ISS never hand slapped The Establishment. As I recall, ISS/UK was forced to hire MC to do that. May I also add that ISS has had more than one spanking by the Nyx I do so love it when you talk dirty. No hand slapping of Establishment, but hey, at least we came out to play ;)

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