Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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...when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Originally by: The Alien

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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...when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Orly?

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Originally by: The Alien

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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...when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Orly?

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Originally by: The Alien

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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...when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Orly?

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If we had wanted their Outposts you think we would have done it when they only had 3 POS's and not when they knew we were gonna be hostile?

We had many chances over the past few days to to take their POS's, as we held their systems for the duration of Monday anf tuesday. However, we never once even fired a blow against ISS POS or Stations, instead focusing on shooting ISS pilots in space because that is just sooo much more fun.

Now its a POS war, and that is never fun.

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Originally by: Kassad

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Edited by: Kassad on 13/12/2006 01:02:03
What evidence do you have that this is turning into an outpost taking war?

Let me guess, ISS were putting POS'S up in thier own systems again

Spin it all you want Kaylana, because you are fooling no one. Don't swing at someone first, then be upset and shocked, or even have the audacity to complain, when they maybe swing back twice as hard.

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Originally by: Georgik Sojik

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May the best alliance win Tycho and Marginis.

although I'm no official IAC Diplomat, I believe we'll have the same deal with the shareholders as ISS once had with you

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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Anyway. Nice stations, we'll take them!

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Just to clarify a few things for our members and others. We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's... though time will only tell who will own what station when.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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I was quite clear about not knowing if we would attack your outposts or not.
If you think I wasn't serious, that's your problem.

?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:32 ] Count TaSessine > is this just general shooty shooty or outpost assaulting we're talking about?
?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > who knows !
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > i don't atm
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:57 ] Count TaSessine > Tyrrax, I'm serious, the whole tone of the conflict depends on it - I think a clear statement of intent is something on both our interests
?[ 2006.12.10 22:10:27 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > shooting pos is certainly not out of the question.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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You're lying again, how about posting some proof of your groundless claims ?

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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lol

YOU started the war.

YOU 'escalted hostilities' by setting ISS to -10.

YOU talked openly about taking their outposts on several occasions

Now you're crying on the forums because they are responding to your aggression. You made some very unwise choices recently IAC. Bad things happen to carebears to start acting tough and pushing neighbours around.

I have one thing to say.

IN YOUR FACE, IAC

Its Party Time Ö

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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lol

YOU started the war.

YOU 'escalted hostilities' by setting ISS to -10.

YOU talked openly about taking their outposts on several occasions

Now you're crying on the forums because they are responding to your aggression. You made some very unwise choices recently IAC. Bad things happen to carebears to start acting tough and pushing neighbours around.

I have one thing to say.

IN YOUR FACE, IAC

Its Party Time Ö

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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You're lying again, how about posting some proof of your groundless claims ?

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Do you want me to post the convo I had with you and n sx right after someone lost your Imperial Apocalypse in the alliance tournament and you declared war on ISS on Eve-TV? Or do you want links to the various threads on these forums where the topic is up?

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Originally by: The Alien

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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...when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Orly?

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If we had wanted their Outposts you think we would have done it when they only had 3 POS's and not when they knew we were gonna be hostile?

We had many chances over the past few days to to take their POS's, as we held their systems for the duration of Monday anf tuesday. However, we never once even fired a blow against ISS POS or Stations, instead focusing on shooting ISS pilots in space because that is just sooo much more fun.

Now its a POS war, and that is never fun.

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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Anyway. Nice stations, we'll take them!

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's...though time will only tell who will own what station when.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough.

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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And so ISS dig their own grave. Let me step aside while you fall facefirst into the abyss of your own arrogance.

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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You're lying again, how about posting some proof of your groundless claims ?

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Originally by: n sx

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Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 01:13:45

Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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And so ISS dig their own grave. Let me step aside while you fall facefirst into the abyss of your own arrogance.

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LOL

Comedy Gold, keep it up IAC.

Facts are as follows:

* You started the war
* You refuse to listen to ISS who asked for war to be avoided
* You ignore Counts public post asking for freindly relations
* ISS CHANGED THEIR CHARTER IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FEEDBACK
* You still went to war with them
* You make a big show of it on the forums
* You brag more on the forums about your kills

And now, in a pure comedy sketch, you claim ISS are the aggressor!

Honestly, IAC. Get a grip.

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Originally by: n sx

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Lots of stuff here

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Originally by: Steven Orzack

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Edited by: Steven Orzack on 13/12/2006 01:15:09

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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You're lying again, how about posting some proof of your groundless claims ?

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Do you really think the community is stupid? Excuse me but you and your minions stated on quite a lot occasions on this forums that you indeed have taking ISS stations in mind and now ISS is teh ebil agressor?

Dont underestimate the intellect of the community by posting blatant lies and expecting us to believe them, that is insulting.

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Originally by: N Solarz

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about your beloved charter that you hold so dearly:

http://www.eve-iss.com/publicsite/charter.asp
- ISS pilots are forbidden to enter claimed space unless ISS have signed an agreement with the claiming alliance. Alliance claimed space is defined by the most recent official political map on Eve-Online: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg. Travelling in forbidden space is a bannable offense.

apparently it doesnt apply? apparently setting up 3 POS'es in claimed space isnt entering? and im sure someone will spin this some way or the other.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Well, duh.

When someone sets ISS -10, camps their outpost systems, and declares open war on the forum, such courtesys as repsecting your space tend to go out the window.

Actions have consequences, hasnt life taught you that?

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 13/12/2006 01:08:14
I am sure Seleene will make a proper storyboarded post, one that I am looking forward to reading, but until then you will get this :

ISS have escalated the 0.0 war between IAC and ISS into an all out Outpost taking war.

Mercenary Coallition with the help of Veto. and ISS are demonstrating that ISS are unwilling to listen to IAC diplomats when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

As of now, IAC will not tolerate escallation into POS combat and ISS has shown that once again they cannot do anything but rely on their wallets. We will do what it takes with whom it takes to ensure the survival of our outposts. This will get ugly if ISS does not back off their military agenda.

IAC had the intention of getting the ISS leadership's attention with negative standings to make them realize they need to keep their member corporations in check because of the abuse of the loose structure they employ. ISS I have no respect for the actions you have taken. This isn't going to be fun for anyone. This is a new war and by no means are you going to spin this into self defense. You brought the first attack on system sovereignty and you will be dealt with harshly.

I would like to point out to the rest of the corporations and alliances : if ISS is your neighbor, this is how they work out their differences. Not by using their navy, not by reforming their structure or fixing THEIR problems. It is done by buying the help of someone to make sure they don't have to change. Their problem is your problem. Fair enough... too bad it goes against everything ISS claims to stand for.

Pathetic.

Kaylana Syi,
IAC Diplomat

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Originally by: Montaire

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That said ISS has raised over 100B this week on an IPO. Guess we know where its going.

edit - also, attacking someones station systems seem to be a war. Which ISS needs a vote on. I own quite a few ISS shares, even about 1b in ISSO shares.

I'd like to see a vote for that.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Well, duh.

When someone sets ISS -10, camps their outpost systems, and declares open war on the forum, such courtesys as repsecting your space tend to go out the window.

Actions have consequences, hasnt life taught you that?

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Im sorry, but no. For ISS to war a shareholder vote must be called. Im a shareholder - no such vote exists.

That is, of course, IF ISS follows the charter.

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Quote:

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=Butter Dog
War was declared by IAC, not ISS. No vote is required.

And this will be funded by ISS's private funds. There are some very rich individuals in the alliance.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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LOL

Comedy Gold, keep it up IAC.

Facts are as follows:

* You started the war
* You refuse to listen to ISS who asked for war to be avoided
* You ignore Counts public post asking for freindly relations
* ISS CHANGED THEIR CHARTER IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FEEDBACK
* You still went to war with them
* You make a big show of it on the forums
* You brag more on the forums about your kills

And now, in a pure comedy sketch, you claim ISS are the aggressor!

Honestly, IAC. Get a grip.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 13/12/2006 01:26:47

Quote:

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=Butter Dog
War was declared by IAC, not ISS. No vote is required.

And this will be funded by ISS's private funds. There are some very rich individuals in the alliance.

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Im sorry but thats not the way the charter works. For ISS to war there must be a vote.

ANY agressive action (ie taking stations or POS's) that are not a DIRECT threat to the ISS station sov is a war of agression, not defense. And that is somthing that MUST be voted on for ISS to stay true to the charter.

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Originally by: Tehyarec

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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LOL

Comedy Gold, keep it up IAC.

Facts are as follows:

* You started the war
* You refuse to listen to ISS who asked for war to be avoided
* You ignore Counts public post asking for freindly relations
* ISS CHANGED THEIR CHARTER IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FEEDBACK
* You still went to war with them
* You make a big show of it on the forums
* You brag more on the forums about your kills

And now, in a pure comedy sketch, you claim ISS are the aggressor!

Honestly, IAC. Get a grip.

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To think I held some amount of respect for you during the 9UY war. How wrong I was to do so.

"Fact" is that you're the one making the show on these forums, being the most vocal thread spammer in these threads, and you are not even in ISS anymore. You just seem to like fueling the fire for whatever reason, with stupid comments nonetheless.

We didn't engage in station-taking first (nor did I see any indication of plans to do so, for that matter), ISS did by. And of course as expected called in their precious mercs after being unable to handle things themselves and getting their asses handed to them. And then, together they start POS-spamming our outpost system. Not to mention the suspiciously fast and organized ISS+MC+VETO+whoever assault response in general, even though MC was supposed to be on another contract. Not planned? I wonder.

So stop sputtering nonsense already. If someone needs to get a grip on things, it appears to be you. Smacking from the sidelines ftl.

At any rate, time will tell what happens, the gloves are apparently off on both sides.

And as a final note, I post this only as a personal thing, I don't represent my corp/alliance with this in any official shape or form or capacity.

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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FFS....will someone put a shock collar on butter nub....posting every 3 minutes is just rediculous.

Oh, and i would just like to say the results of the big shock and awe blob thus far have been hilarious.

2 iss friendlies killed, 1 iac stilletto killed

1 MC maelstrom lost

gg

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Quote:

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Are you completely retarded? What part of IAC DECLARED THE WAR don't you understand?

You do know what this fight is taking place 1 JUMP away from an ISS station, and key trade route, don't you?

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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...2 iss friendlies killed...

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 01:29:49

Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 13/12/2006 01:26:47

Quote:

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=Butter Dog
War was declared by IAC, not ISS. No vote is required.

And this will be funded by ISS's private funds. There are some very rich individuals in the alliance.

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Im sorry but thats not the way the charter works. For ISS to war there must be a vote.

ANY agressive action (ie taking stations or POS's) that are not a DIRECT threat to the ISS station sov is a war of agression, not defense. And that is somthing that MUST be voted on for ISS to stay true to the charter.

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Are you completely retarded? What part of IAC DECLARED THE WAR don't you understand?

You do know what this fight is taking place 1 JUMP away from an ISS station, and key trade route, don't you?

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Originally by: Hand

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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FFS....will someone put a shock collar on butter nub....posting every 3 minutes is just rediculous.

Oh, and i would just like to say the results of the big shock and awe blob thus far have been hilarious.

2 iss friendlies killed, 1 iac stilletto killed

1 MC maelstrom lost

gg

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I think I will put this in my bio.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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The ISS has taken nothing ......

I call it smart to fight in F4(IAC System) rather than ZXIC or KDF ..

To fight in a home system, you need POS's as a point of meeting and control expecially with "recon probes" within 60 secs.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Well, duh.

When someone sets ISS -10, camps their outpost systems, and declares open war on the forum, such courtesys as repsecting your space tend to go out the window.

Actions have consequences, hasnt life taught you that?

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hand

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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FFS....will someone put a shock collar on butter nub....posting every 3 minutes is just rediculous.

Oh, and i would just like to say the results of the big shock and awe blob thus far have been hilarious.

2 iss friendlies killed, 1 iac stilletto killed

1 MC maelstrom lost

gg

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I think I will put this in my bio.

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Hand!

Have you come outside your POS shields yet? Sorry I had to retract my wardec on you, this was much more fun.

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Originally by: Sgt Napalm

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I said "make war" -- It doesnt matter if its a declared war or not.. ISS is not an agressive entity. Taking a station is an act of agression and a drastic change of direction for ISS.

If ISS were taking defensive action thats one thing. What they are doing is somthing different."

Please take it up with Count.

Thanks

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Hand!

Have you come outside your POS shields yet? Sorry I had to retract my wardec on you, this was much more fun.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hand

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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FFS....will someone put a shock collar on butter nub....posting every 3 minutes is just rediculous.

Oh, and i would just like to say the results of the big shock and awe blob thus far have been hilarious.

2 iss friendlies killed, 1 iac stilletto killed

1 MC maelstrom lost

gg

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I think I will put this in my bio.

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Hand!

Have you come outside your POS shields yet? Sorry I had to retract my wardec on you, this was much more fun.

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Originally by: RichThugster

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Hand!

Have you come outside your POS shields yet? Sorry I had to retract my wardec on you, this was much more fun.

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butter have you undocked in anything other than a covert ops on your alt? and im sure it was load of fun making an idiot of yourself on the forums. its fun for everyone else

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Fine, you say I'm posting rubbish.
In that case, enlighten the readers. Which of my 'facts' as posted is actually not true.
Go right ahead and educate people.
IAC crying about being attacked in a war that they started is just about the funniest thing I have read on this forum... well, ever.

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Originally by: n sx

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(...)
you asked us flatout 5 minutes after the announcement whether we were taking ISS stations. Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing. You threatened us that it would curb your response actions and we didn't budge.
(...)

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Originally by: Del369

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butters a little whisper passed my way as well, the 2 iss friendlies killed in zxic, were you one of them per chance ?

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar

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Originally by: n sx

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(...)
you asked us flatout 5 minutes after the announcement whether we were taking ISS stations. Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing. You threatened us that it would curb your response actions and we didn't budge.
(...)

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This is not my conflict, but from an outsiders point of view:

By not clearly stating "no, we are not interested in taking the ISS outposts" you relayed the signal that the outposts might be at risk. No matter what reasons you had for it, ISS at that point had the choice of either risking the outposts or not taking any chances by trying to suffocate your assault as soon as possible. Risking the outposts is not an option for ISS.

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Originally by: maGz

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Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Originally by: maGz

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Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Originally by: Korvus

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The best defense is a good offense.

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Quote:

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Totally against the ISS charter. The ISS is not an agressive alliance, and wars of agression are forbidden by its charter.

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Originally by: maGz

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(...)
Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: maGz

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Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Simple answer: No.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Originally by: Korvus

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The best defense is a good offense.

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Totally against the ISS charter. The ISS is not an agressive alliance, and wars of agression are forbidden by its charter.

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: maGz

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Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Simple answer: No.

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If you think turning this into a conquestial style war (i.e. pos'ing up enemy system) you aren't risking iss outposts....you are as ignorant as you are loose lipped. I've met groups of 75 year old women playing cribbage who talk less than you. STFU

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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar

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Originally by: maGz

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(...)
Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Since the ISS outpost already were at risk (IAC members frequently stating the intention is to take the outpost, IAC command not denying this), that is a moot point.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Edited by: Press Officer on 13/12/2006 02:00:48
Edited by: Press Officer on 13/12/2006 01:59:16

Quote:

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Totally against the ISS charter. The ISS is not an agressive alliance, and wars of agression are forbidden by its charter.

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The IAC war dec'd the ISS then it makes the IAC as the agressor ...

Your own posts are false even by IAC statements ... please move along and start the training missions

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Originally by: Layla Currie

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Lets do a rundown

ISS uses spies to offline iac pos and lay their own.
ISS hacks one of the iac member's forums and completely wipes their database.

GJ ISS you guys make yourselves to look like honorable opponents. You're display today was absolutely pathetic, you have sealed your fate when you made the moves today.

MC you have no idea what you just got yourself into, not only did you destroy any credibility as an actual merc alliance by out of the blue showing up with a new contract, but you will find that you have just opened pandora's box.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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The IAC war dec'd the ISS then it makes the IAC as the agressor ...

Your own posts are false even by IAC statements ... please move along and start the training missions

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Originally by: Zack Wilde

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would have been nice to see if the ISS navy could deal with this problem on there own to be honest. Thats what i thought they were there for anyway.

calling in the MC and veto before IAC even try taking a station just makes this all kinda boring, i mean maybe they really did just want to shoot stuff for a while to blow off steam at all the frustrations ISS has caused them the last few months.

I guess we will never know now.

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Eskona Runningstar

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Originally by: maGz

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(...)
Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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Since the ISS outpost already were at risk (IAC members frequently stating the intention is to take the outpost, IAC command not denying this), that is a moot point.

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I see your point, although the whole ISS stations being at risk is pretty much dependant on who you are talking to. It's a grey zone at best imo.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Im sorry but thats not the way the charter works. For ISS to war there must be a vote.

ANY agressive action (ie taking stations or POS's) that are not a DIRECT threat to the ISS station sov is a war of agression, not defense. And that is somthing that MUST be voted on for ISS to stay true to the charter.

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Originally by: Red Horseman

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And may this thread get locked

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Originally by: mishkof

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And for the love of God ISS can you seriously put a muzzle on butterdog.

...

I mean he isnt even in ISS anymore for crying out loud.

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Red Horseman

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And may this thread get locked

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I have to agree with above statement

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Red Horseman

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And may this thread get locked

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I have to agree with above statement

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Yup, makes IAC and me look like utter t-a-r-d-s

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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Princess Buttercup, i hope your forum ban lasts a looong time....for the sake of bleeding eyes and your own alliances image

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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I am sure Seleene will make a proper storyboarded post, one that I am looking forward to reading, but until then you will get this :

ISS have escalated the 0.0 war between IAC and ISS into an all out Outpost taking war.

Mercenary Coallition with the help of Veto. and ISS are demonstrating that ISS are unwilling to listen to IAC diplomats when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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As of now, IAC will not tolerate escallation into POS combat and ISS has shown that once again they cannot do anything but rely on their wallets.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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IAC had the intention of getting the ISS leadership's attention with negative standings to make them realize they need to keep their member corporations in check because of the abuse of the loose structure they employ. ISS I have no respect for the actions you have taken. This isn't going to be fun for anyone. This is a new war and by no means are you going to spin this into self defense.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 02:38:05

Originally by: Marovinchian

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Princess Buttercup, i hope your forum ban lasts a looong time....for the sake of bleeding eyes and your own alliances image

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I'm not in ISS atm, when I am, I won't be posting.

Simple really. I don't represent the alliance in any way right now, so it would only make ISS 'look bad' to exceptionally stupid individuals who failed to grasp the fact I do not represent them. And to be honest, who cares about people like that?

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 02:38:05

Originally by: Marovinchian

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Princess Buttercup, i hope your forum ban lasts a looong time....for the sake of bleeding eyes and your own alliances image

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I'm not in ISS atm, when I am, I won't be posting.

Simple really. I don't represent the alliance in any way right now, so it would only make ISS 'look bad' to exceptionally stupid individuals who failed to grasp the fact I do not represent them. And to be honest, who cares about people like that?

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seriously kid, when you are spamming on teh forums regarding the inner political workings of the whole situation blatantly trying to state matters in favor of one particular entity YOU ARE REPRESENTING THAT ENTITY, whether they want you too or not and whether the character you post with is in the alliance or not.

Please FFS take some Immodium AD for your mouth....it's spitting load after load of crap all over these forums

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Originally by: Beringe

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Given the latter sentence, what makes you think they can "put a muzzle" on him?

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Originally by: Marovinchian

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i don't have to be in a group to put myself out there with the view of MYSELF representing THEM, that shouldn't be that hard to understand.....

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Of course I'm on ISS's SIDE. But that doesnt mean I REPRESENT them.

The two are completely different things.

My personal opinions are not official ISS representations. This really is not hard to understand.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/12/2006 02:38:05

Originally by: Marovinchian

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Princess Buttercup, i hope your forum ban lasts a looong time....for the sake of bleeding eyes and your own alliances image

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I'm not in ISS atm, when I am, I won't be posting.

Simple really. I don't represent the alliance in any way right now, so it would only make ISS 'look bad' to exceptionally stupid individuals who failed to grasp the fact I do not represent them. And to be honest, who cares about people like that?

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Originally by: GO MaZ

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Oh, so if thats how you see it, surely that means that IAC peons who posted stuff about taking stations dont represent the views of their alliance leadership? Cos im pretty much certain thats why ISS went on the offensive here... sounds like count took the off the wall comments of peon members to heart

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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Anyway. Nice stations, we'll take them!

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Just to clarify a few things for our members and others. We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's... though time will only tell who will own what station when.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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I was quite clear about not knowing if we would attack your outposts or not. If you think I wasn't serious, that's your problem.

?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:32 ] Count TaSessine > is this just general shooty shooty or outpost assaulting we're talking about?
?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > who knows !
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > i don't atm
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:57 ] Count TaSessine > Tyrrax, I'm serious, the whole tone of the conflict depends on it - I think a clear statement of intent is something on both our interests
?[ 2006.12.10 22:10:27 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > shooting pos is certainly not out of the question.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough.

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Originally by: n sx

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(...) you asked us flatout 5 minutes after the announcement whether we were taking ISS stations. Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing. You threatened us that it would curb your response actions and we didn't budge.
(...)

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Originally by: Halafian

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It was IAC leadership who deliberately and repeatedly put the outpost thing on the table, despite the direct efforts of the Count to work it out.

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Originally by: Dammar

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So...how long before IAC hires -KoS- again because you suck too much to take/defend your own space?

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Originally by: Sgt Napalm

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Originally by: maGz

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Problem is - aren't ISS risking the outposts by attacking IAC as well? Bit of a dilemma...

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We will not fail, we will not surrender!

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Originally by: Derran

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stuff

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Originally by: Dammar

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Irony is how IAC haven't been booted back to empire yet. People must not think much of the space you own, because if they did, you'd be long gone by now, though I think with 2 shiny outposts, the property value has risen significantly and I'm sure your time is coming.

The rest of the south won't be busy forever.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Nah. ISSN isnt an army. Its more of a police force.

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Originally by: Dammar

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Originally by: Tehyarec

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Originally by: Dammar

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So...how long before IAC hires -KoS- again because you suck too much to take/defend your own space?

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Ironic given that's precisely what ISS is doing, hiring others because they apparently can't handle a bit of shoosting themselves?

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Irony is how IAC haven't been booted back to empire yet. People must not think much of the space you own, because if they did, you'd be long gone by now, though I think with 2 shiny outposts, the property value has risen significantly and I'm sure your time is coming.

The rest of the south won't be busy forever.

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"Seleene is Primary." "She isn't here." "She's still primary."

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Originally by: Hellown

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You assume ISS dont know how to manage their stront levels eh? i can assure you that is wrong, all the POS would have stront, and enough of it to bring the POS out or re-inforced during their peak hours. ISS are very good at what they do, they have some great FC's ect. and i for one, am looking forward to the new ISS outpost in F4.

/me grabs the popcorn.

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Originally by: Hellown

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no, you're right, im to busy fighting on the side who knows what the hell is going on. not the side of the forum *****s. Im only just out of ISS if you look at my employment history, and the corp i came from alone had 4 or 5 very passable FC's

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Originally by: Press Officer

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IAC has to be given the "official wet lettuce" award ...

You declare war and then come crying to the forums when your attack fails ..

Pass me another box of popcorn and I'll fetch you some tissues.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Originally by: Press Officer

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IAC has to be given the "official wet lettuce" award ...

You declare war and then come crying to the forums when your attack fails ..

Pass me another box of popcorn and I'll fetch you some tissues.

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LOL and they hope that South will rise again to save them again....
It must be that they ran out of alcohol and things must be looking different now when they are sober.

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Originally by: Smokemon

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Edited by: Smokemon on 13/12/2006 07:13:30
IAC, I assure you No Quarter. your long standing allies (ex-huzzah) will assist you if MC takes an offensive in your war. Unfortunately AXE is busy, but we will be there, with our 200 pilots and many carriers :) I do hope you guys solve this problem, do de-escalate to just pew pew.

<3 always
Smokemon

p.s. talk to Krystian he is new CEO if you need assistance as we are busy in Syndicate atm (<3 AE and COE best opponents ever, no smack, lots of fights, good skilled pilots).

EDIT --

Forgot to mention Momentum. will probably want to help too, would be worthwhile to contact them, they are also ex-huzzah.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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War isn't like that. IAC want a war where they can pour throughout space killing our pilots and camping our shareholders' stations; they want a war where they can outnumber our fleets three-to-one and when we outnumber them five-to-one can withdraw in safety. ISS will not give IAC a war that plays into their favor, no good opponent would.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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IAC engaged in this war, and now that ISS have accepted the challenge, IAC is scared and saying that we are "unwilling to listen to IAC diplomats". Okay, so you have no interest in taking ISS outposts, but you do have the intention of disrupting trade and prosperity in the surrounding areas.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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"This isn't going to be fun for anyone." You know, funny thing, you see, I thought war wasn't always fun for everybody. You wanted to dance with the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate? Fine. Let's dance.

(Note that the above is not a statement on behalf of my corporation or my alliance, and is purely personal.)

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Originally by: shanda captison

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Foo, do you ever sleep?!

See you in space guys, im sure it ll be fun, has been so far!

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Originally by: Layla Currie

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Lets do a rundown

ISS uses spies to offline iac pos and lay their own.
ISS hacks one of the iac member's forums and completely wipes their database.

GJ ISS you guys make yourselves to look like honorable opponents. You're display today was absolutely pathetic, you have sealed your fate when you made the moves today.

MC you have no idea what you just got yourself into, not only did you destroy any credibility as an actual merc alliance by out of the blue showing up with a new contract, but you will find that you have just opened pandora's box.

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Their entire business plan invites metagaming into their interests. I find it pretty convenient that forums were hacked the day MC attack us too.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Their entire business plan invites metagaming into their interests. I find it pretty convenient that forums were hacked the day MC attack us too.

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Convenient is just another word for made-up-have-no-proof-let-me-blame-something-apart-from-IAC-being-to-lemons.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Go ISS

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Go ISS

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Should you really be saying that sort of thing Joshua?

... unless IAC have personally offended you prior to this post.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Go ISS

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Should you really be saying that sort of thing Joshua?

... unless IAC have personally offended you prior to this post.

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I can say whatever i want, outside the alliance map i have preferences of who wins what wars and i have no intention of hiding them. Plus mah money is on tha line. So go ISS.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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but you will find that out soon enough....

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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but you will find that out soon enough....

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Please do tell.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Could this "Offically" be classed as the shortest "were going to get you, mummy mummy mummy, the big guys don't like me" war ever

2 Weeks in planning, 1st day operational combat , 2nd day running to the forums ....

Nice plan IAC ......

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the 10 billion in ISS damage over 2 days says differently Kas. Btw, post with your main

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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but you will find that out soon enough....

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Please do tell.

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... well.... can you spell b-i-a-s ?... its a word you could become very familiar with, till your ears bleed.

Once it sticks.. you cant get it off again.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Edited by: Press Officer on 13/12/2006 09:25:12
Are IAC now blaming "biased map keeping" for the actions and failure

Sorry did you make a mistake and instead of going into ZX you wanted to turn left

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Edited by: Press Officer on 13/12/2006 09:25:12
Are IAC now blaming "biased map keeping" for the actions and failure

Sorry did you make a mistake and instead of going into ZX you wanted to turn left

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Originally by: Joshua Foritain

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Ps: Bored at the office, send help.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Well depending on how you look at it i am biased. As a player i hope ISS wins, not just because of mah moneh but also because well, ISS are the 2nd coolest alliance ingame. I also root for Bob in their war against ASCN and i cheer for the coalition in their fight against the evil southern hordesÖ. I dont care too much about the north though.

Does this make the map biased? No it doesnt as normal humans can infact seperate fact from fiction. Is the map always 100% acurate? No unfortunatly not. However if someone does believe im biased they're welcome to contact the mods who will review me and put their boot up my ass if they feel its needed. Untill then i still think i update the map as unbiased and accurate as possible.

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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You have repeatedly declared your intentions to seize the outposts that ISS are managing.

You have stated those intentions both in public and in private convos with me (n sx and Tyrrax).

We are defending the interests of ISS, our pilots and the owners of the stations.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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However, its not one incident that breaks the camel's back. I will admit that I have followed your 'career' very closely, as the map interests me greatly. (don't worry I'm not stalking you ) I'm going to say though that, recently imo at least (not worth a whole lot, I know).. you have started to take less care in preserving a certain detatchment from proclaiming a personal stance on current affairs.. a few coments here a few coments there... nothing major.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/12/2006 09:42:41

Originally by: Nez Perces

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However, its not one incident that breaks the camel's back. I will admit that I have followed your 'career' very closely, as the map interests me greatly. (don't worry I'm not stalking you ) I'm going to say though that, recently imo at least (not worth a whole lot, I know).. you have started to take less care in preserving a certain detatchment from proclaiming a personal stance on current affairs.. a few coments here a few coments there... nothing major.

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Well i havent really hid my war prefrences in the previous years. Maybe its become more obvious as i care less about someone crying bias these base, ASCN made quite a national sport out of that.

Oh and yes, you are a stalker... its okay though... means i have atleast one fan. (Please dont come watch me sleep though, thats scary.)

Anyway we should prolly stop taking this awefully constructive, kind and loving thread off-topic.

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Could this "Offically" be classed as the shortest "were going to get you, mummy mummy mummy, the big guys don't like me" war ever

2 Weeks in planning, 1st day operational combat , 2nd day running to the forums ....

Nice plan IAC ......

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 13/12/2006 01:08:14
I am sure Seleene will make a proper storyboarded post, one that I am looking forward to reading, but until then you will get this :

ISS have escalated the 0.0 war between IAC and ISS into an all out Outpost taking war.

Mercenary Coallition with the help of Veto. and ISS are demonstrating that ISS are unwilling to listen to IAC diplomats when we said we had no interest in taking their outposts.

As of now, IAC will not tolerate escallation into POS combat and ISS has shown that once again they cannot do anything but rely on their wallets. We will do what it takes with whom it takes to ensure the survival of our outposts. This will get ugly if ISS does not back off their military agenda.

IAC had the intention of getting the ISS leadership's attention with negative standings to make them realize they need to keep their member corporations in check because of the abuse of the loose structure they employ. ISS I have no respect for the actions you have taken. This isn't going to be fun for anyone. This is a new war and by no means are you going to spin this into self defense. You brought the first attack on system sovereignty and you will be dealt with harshly.

I would like to point out to the rest of the corporations and alliances : if ISS is your neighbor, this is how they work out their differences. Not by using their navy, not by reforming their structure or fixing THEIR problems. It is done by buying the help of someone to make sure they don't have to change. Their problem is your problem. Fair enough... too bad it goes against everything ISS claims to stand for.

Pathetic.


Kaylana Syi,
IAC Diplomat

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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc

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O.k i have been through this thread.

Can i ask that everyone be nice to each other and if they cant do that at least be respectful? If you dont like somone this is not the place to post insults at them. Any more personnal attacks will receive a forum warning.

And yes please talking off topic about the map thread. I have left it in there but that is not a reason to carry on about it. Please keep things on topic.

Wow long post from me!

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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc

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O.k i have been through this thread.

Can i ask that everyone be nice to each other and if they cant do that at least be respectful? If you dont like somone this is not the place to post insults at them. Any more personnal attacks will receive a forum warning.

And yes please talking off topic about the map thread. I have left it in there but that is not a reason to carry on about it. Please keep things on topic.

Wow long post from me!

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/12/2006 01:17:13
OK, so you declared war on ISS. All is well and good here, but then...

you complain when they attack you?

Seriously, that's a bit silly. If you set someone to -10, they have every right to come attack your stations, regardless who they are.

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/12/2006 01:17:13
OK, so you declared war on ISS. All is well and good here, but then...

you complain when they attack you?

Seriously, that's a bit silly. If you set someone to -10, they have every right to come attack your stations, regardless who they are.

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That's what I'm finding so strange, not that I'm not enjoying the show, I really am. But complaining that the guy you attacked doesn't fight back the way you want him too, because it's not fun for you...

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ISS propaganda were painting us as if we were going to take their outposts. We were not

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Originally by: Press Officer

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Could this "Offically" be classed as the shortest "were going to get you, mummy mummy mummy, the big guys don't like me" war ever

2 Weeks in planning, 1st day operational combat , 2nd day running to the forums ....

Nice plan IAC ......

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the 10 billion in ISS damage over 2 days says differently Kas. Btw, post with your main

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Originally by: Silvestri

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so the investors don't mind if ISS spend billions on merc's.....only asking.

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Originally by: Raid

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Edited by: Raid on 13/12/2006 13:26:25

Originally by: Silvestri

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so the investors don't mind if ISS spend billions on merc's.....only asking.

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If its in the defense of their assets... no

/me plays the Banjo in this thread

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/12/2006 01:17:13
OK, so you declared war on ISS. All is well and good here, but then...

you complain when they attack you?

Seriously, that's a bit silly. If you set someone to -10, they have every right to come attack your stations, regardless who they are.

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That's what I'm finding so strange, not that I'm not enjoying the show, I really am. But complaining that the guy you attacked doesn't fight back the way you want him too, because it's not fun for you...

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I will reply to this :

ISS propaganda were painting us as if we were going to take their outposts. We were not. They have broken their policies for no logical reasons. This is not a complain thread. This is a thread that explains the situation to would be investors, neighbors and general forum reader.

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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Anyway. Nice stations, we'll take them!

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Originally by: DHB FooFighter

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Just to clarify a few things for our members and others. We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's... though time will only tell who will own what station when.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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I was quite clear about not knowing if we would attack your outposts or not. If you think I wasn't serious, that's your problem.

?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:32 ] Count TaSessine > is this just general shooty shooty or outpost assaulting we're talking about?
?[ 2006.12.10 22:07:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > who knows !
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:55 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > i don't atm
?[ 2006.12.10 22:09:57 ] Count TaSessine > Tyrrax, I'm serious, the whole tone of the conflict depends on it - I think a clear statement of intent is something on both our interests
?[ 2006.12.10 22:10:27 ] Tyrrax Thorrk > shooting pos is certainly not out of the question.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough.

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Originally by: n sx

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(...) you asked us flatout 5 minutes after the announcement whether we were taking ISS stations. Our official response was 'I dunno, maybe'. This was merely a ploy to keep you guessing. You threatened us that it would curb your response actions and we didn't budge.
(...)

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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ISS propaganda were painting us as if we were going to take their outposts.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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They have broken their policies for no logical reasons.

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