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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:57:00 -
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By leaps and bounds this is the hardest release I have had to write.
Today the Ascendant Frontier lost not only a leader, but a good friend.
Outsiders can say whatever they want about CYVOK, but I know him to be one of the most honorable, caring people I've had the distinct pleasure of calling my friend in over ten years in online gaming.
CYVOK made the Ascendant Frontier what it is today. Without his leadership, Feythabolis would be an undeveloped wasteland.
The last few months have been a very trying time for CYVOK.
After being honorably discharged from the Military, he went about picking up everything and moving, seeking employment, and concentrating on the future, all the while trying to juggle the complexities of leading a 2000+ member alliance at war.
Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations.
Daily.
Sure, he took on that responsibility when he put himself out there as the Ascendant Frontier Executor, but running an alliance becomes a full-time job.
Add to this the downward spiral of Eve over the last year, and I can understand why he stepped down.
For his time, patience, leadership and honor, we thank CYVOK for everything he has done for us.
Virtuozzo will be filling some very large shoes in the next few hours.
Some people have been saying on the forums that CYVOK leaving is the final death knell for the Ascendant Frontier.
I say in the darkest times, light shines the brightest.
Fair winds and following seas, my friend.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:59:00 -
[2]
Good luck to him in the future. BUT personally he should have stayed the course, come what may.
Good luck Virtuozzo im sure u wont let ascn down
CEI's own Undercover Brother
It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:00:00 -
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CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Blog
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Porter Hadlend
Gallente
Righteous-Indignation
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:00:00 -
[4]
Good luck Cyvok.
Alliance politics can be harsh on anyone. I wish you good luck where ever you land.
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ZelRox
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:00:00 -
[5]
Good player imho. From the largest corp in eve, to the largest alliance.
Shame to see him go.
GL HF.
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Marcus Brook
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:02:00 -
[6]
I hope CYVOK makes a come back 
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:02:00 -
[7]
Best of Luck to Virtuozzo.
CYVOK you will be remembered in time for what you achieved in Eve and what you did for your Alliance.
Best of luck to both in the Future.
MT
My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email. |
Chi Prime
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:03:00 -
[8]
Good luck with your future endeavours Cyvok.
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Thut'ankh Amon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:04:00 -
[9]
Good luck in your future. I have great respect for person that had a vision and made it reality
 Originally by: Noluck Ned
*Notify* Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for overlord to respawn
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Ymsc Zod
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:05:00 -
[10]
Good luck Cyvok, and ASCN. |
James Damar
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:07:00 -
[11]
Respect for what you build and made Cyvok you have every reason to keep your head up high and be proud.
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Percival Diddly
Unscoped
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:07:00 -
[12]
Good luck with whatever you chose to do Cyvok, your name will be rememberd in eve for your achievements.
Best of Luck to you and to ASCN in the future.
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Tadis
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:07:00 -
[13]
Good luck Cyvok. Respect for your achievements.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:07:00 -
[14]
Cyvok has made his mark on eve history. Good luck to him, leading the largest alliance of the time is an achievement in itself.. I tip my hat to him, and wish him good luck for the future.
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Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:08:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Blacklight
CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Shocking to see that come from a BOB leader, yet quite reassuring as well. Good to see you don't have a skewed take on the situation.
To CYVOK, you did build something cool, unfortunately it fell into the same Xetic trap with recruiting 198284 corps and their 1898292405 alts. That is in no way 100% your fault though.
Virt, its definately not too late to do something, and from what little I know about you I think you will do something.
Volt
It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Alastorr Frost
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:09:00 -
[16]
Trully a SAD day to see one of the GREAT Alliance leaders in EVE leave.
Good luck CYVOK and safe travels. I think there is many a member in ASCN that's going to miss your GREAT blogs...
To Virtuozzo: Mate, you have BIG shoes to fill. I think you can do this! Congrats on your promotion. Make ASCN strong again, like in the old days.
Regards,
Frosty
Thanks to MAXSuicide for this nice Sig |
Braaage
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:09:00 -
[17]
Couldn't have come at a worst time since Virt is recovering from a car crash.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:12:00 -
[18]
Cyvok did a lot in EvE and for ASCN.. best of luck to whatever he does from here.
Best of luck to the new guy,
The man without a face...
The company without a clue.
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Aldari Verve
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:12:00 -
[19]
GL Cyvok,
never flew with ya, nor did i fight you. Can't imagine how hard it would be to be discharged from the military. I'm a military man myself so the change of pace would be hard none the elss seeking new employment. I'm sure that if you put even 1/10 the effort, you put into your corp and alliance, into your new found carrer you can achieve great things and stand above others by leaps and bounds. Truely and sincerely gl and make sure you stop by and visit your corp i'm sure they would love nothing better than to hear from you a bit : ).
-Aldari
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Valek Noor
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:13:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I say in the darkest times, light shines the brightest.
Fair winds and following seas, my friend.
says what i wanted to perfectly
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:15:00 -
[21]
Respect CYVOK, all the best in RL and may you come back 1 day.
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:22:00 -
[22]
o7 salutes go out to CYVOK. Cannons start blazing.
War was harsh, things happened. But building something as big as ascn is something to rememeber and respect.
"The king has fallen, long live the king" - life marches on. GL to Virtuozzo.
JOIN CAGE
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:27:00 -
[23]
Such a shame to see a community resource like Cyvok leave the game. We need more people like him and not less. Take care wherever you go dude.
Good luck to Virtuozzo in taking on the ASCN job.
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Altar Mei
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:30:00 -
[24]
I don't really understand this move, surely if there was someone better for the job they would have already stepped up to the plate? Though I've seen leadership take its tole on leaders of corps and alliances, I'm sure having to read all the slanders from the bob mouthbreathers didn't help.
Goodluck Cyvok.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:30:00 -
[25]
I'am sorry to see CYVOK leave the game ,but real life is more important then eve.
Good luck on RL.
Now WTF is this stuff about CCP behving poorlly?CyvoK lost a titan as it seems within game rules and you guys try to spin this .....
Jesus crist if you have to leave don try too blame CCP or other player.
EVE was always "mean" how do you think Tribal souls felt when you (ascn) destroyed their homes?
When you guys ballied out of Xetic?That is eve nothing bad or good it is EVE.
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Pabs Sco
Caldari
Ecosse
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:33:00 -
[26]
As posted before
Congrats Virt!!
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Rhax
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:33:00 -
[27]
Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:33:00 -
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same, dont know Cyvok personally, but /signed, look forward to you coming back and enjoying the game, wether in a leadership or just a player role, gl.
Originally by: Wrangler
That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!  
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:34:00 -
[29]
Edited by: General Apocalypse on 13/12/2006 12:47:42
Respect & Good Luck CYVOK .
May EVE last long enought to see your return.
General Apocalypse & THEMM Salutes YOU
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:37:00 -
[30]
Before this thread gets railroaded somewhere else, there are plenty of threads about titans and other assorted drama somewhere else.
This is a press release about wishing a friend well and changing of leadership within our alliance.
If you have something that isn't related to that, there's a few dozen other posts to vent.
Please try and keep things on track.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
I like pie. |
KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 13/12/2006 12:39:57
Been around too long I am afraid, and too much of a cynic to be wishing Cyvok a good rest of his life just yet.
Eve is in your blood, it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk away as easy as this.
Cyvok will be back, and I for 1 will reserve my good byes for when he sells his account or does some other drastic measure.
Leaders are born to lead, nothing more and nothing less, its what courses throught the very arteries that run the length of his body, and his natural desires will eventually push past the self pity he wallows in now, and he will return with a new zest and passion. This is the way it is, I have been there myself many times in many games, as have many other online gaming leaders.
The question will remain as to what he will ply his efforts to next, Remedial stormed back in and took Goons to new hieghts, Foyle for example didn't achive quite that, what the future holds for Cyvok will play itself out in good time.
For Cyvoks efforts I commend him, no one can doubt the mans passion and beliefs, and if nothing else this is a stark reminder to us all that play this great Eve, just how much this means to us really.
This isn't and hasn't been for a long time "just a game", for many of us its far more real and tangible then the other 18 hours we spend breathing per day, and certianly commands more of our passions and desires. It can hurt just as much and it can bring moments of joy rarely felt, it can take us to the depths and bring us soaring into the air, it has the power to bring us to our knees, but its human nature to stand again and rebuild.
Good luck ASCN in the near future, sometimes a change of leadership is needed to see a perespective, and sometimes it garners support and momentum, we shall see where this one leads you.
KIA EVE Home
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Hehulk
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:40:00 -
[32]
Can't say I ever met Cyvok, but from what he achieved as leader of ASCN, I can imagine he was a damn good'n. Good luck to Virtuozzo in filling those shoes
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Cotton Tail
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:41:00 -
[33]
Good luck CYVOK, you're an eve institution and no matter what you'll be missed by a lot of people. Hope everything works out, and hope you recover from the pretty stressful situation of leading a major alliance, especially with the added complexity with having to deal with the biggest, baddest pvp alliance around atm.
Just out of interest though, why didn't CYVOK make this statement himself?
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ZelRox
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:43:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Voltron
Originally by: Blacklight
CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Shocking to see that come from a BOB leader, yet quite reassuring as well. Good to see you don't have a skewed take on the situation.
Volt
Why would it be shocking. Its only a game afterall :)
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:43:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 13/12/2006 12:44:46
Beside all that emo bla - iam not a fan of such bs and iam not a fan of cyvok nor to emo leaving with "love will last to eternety"
Best thing that could happen to ascn, time to pull ur finger out of ur ass and accept the challenge. That titan lose, no matter how it hapen, is not ur defeat but can be ur moment of greatest vicorty, cause now its time to stand up and defend what ur so called "friend" builded. So if u want to be something special and be a cyvok fan stand up login, get into a gang and blow up that mofos that made ur alliance leader leave.
@ cyvok dont take it to personal, leave the game and njoy ur rl cause that what keep u paying the bills - eve is just a game and no full time job but ppl tend to forget that.
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Mang0o
Caldari
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:44:00 -
[36]
did he quit eve ?
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
ZoRzEr
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:45:00 -
[37]
Best of luck to CYV0K and ASCN.
Respect.
Yarrbbq, Yarrdware and Yarrsters
ZoRzEr |
Chen Lianshi
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:45:00 -
[38]
Good luck Cyvok.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:45:00 -
[39]
Good luck to new leader ascn.
Cyvok you will be remembered as firt one to get a titan in eve and first one to loose one.
I wich best of luck to all ascn mebers.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:45:00 -
[40]
All the best of luck CYVOK
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:46:00 -
[41]
I'm sorry to hear this and I wish CYVOK the best of luck. If possible I would appreciate it if either he or Virt can contact me to preview one or two articles surrounding these events as I want them to be in the best of taste and worthy of a respected leader.
You can mail [email protected]
CYVOK, you'll be missed.
Trapped in Signature Factory. Send help (but dont kill pandas) - Eris pink Dread
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:47:00 -
[42]
Originally by: ZelRox
Originally by: Voltron
Originally by: Blacklight
CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Shocking to see that come from a BOB leader, yet quite reassuring as well. Good to see you don't have a skewed take on the situation.
Volt
Why would it be shocking. Its only a game afterall :)
It's shocking that people would think otherwise... it's a game.
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Eskalin
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:48:00 -
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cyvok you have been a worthy foe good luck in your future endeavors i wish you the best
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mr passie
Minmatar
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:48:00 -
[44]
Good luck CYVOK, I hope the best for whatever may come across your path.
Not many people can do what you did, and not many people will forget what you did.
I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic.
I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them! |
Toranya Faidutti
Gallente
White Nova Industries
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:49:00 -
[45]
Good luck, Cyvok, I hope you are able to find something to enjoy out of the game again in time.
Personally, I don't blame you one bit for stepping out of the limelight. People have proven time and time again in these forums that they have no concern for the feelings of the people behind these characters. The way people talk to each other here is a disgrace, and this is supposed to be a game, that you participate in for fun. If people were insulting me constantly I certainly wouldn't be having fun, and fun is the only reason to stay.
People giving you crap for not "staying the course" need to step back and think for a few moments. The ASCN/BoB war is not a real war where real humans die or real freedoms are lost/gained. It is a war in a game, that is by definition supposed to be fun. When you stop having fun is when you leave. It doesn't matter if you're just a little newbie or the head of the biggest in-game alliance. Recreation time is valuable and I fully support anyone making a change when they stop having fun.
I didn't know you at all, even though I was in ASCN for about six months, but that isn't the point. The point is, there is no question that you accomplished a lot in this game and I am sorry that recent events (whatever the cause) and people's very poor manners have driven you away from the alliance that you built and loved.
I do sincerely hope that when I get around to scheduling a Texas meetup like I've been pondering doing for quite some time that you will join us.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:51:00 -
[46]
It will be interesting to see whether the old maxim "better the devil you know" comes to play and what Virtuozzo will do differently. I won't wish him good luck in that.
However, I will wish CYVOK the very best in what he does next, in eve and otherwise, what he has achieved in EvE, building ASCN to be one of, if not the most effecient peacetime industrial alliances in eve history is no mean feat. Building outposts pre-freighter or jump-enabled craft takes a dedication that I have nothing but respect for.
Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
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esquimo leviticus
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:52:00 -
[47]
Edited by: esquimo leviticus on 13/12/2006 12:55:03
CYVOK achieved so much in eve and paid the ultimate price for it, regardless this has been written into the eve book of history.
Good Luck CYVOK and respect.
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Plan Neun
Caldari
Ganja Unlimited
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:52:00 -
[48]
My personal opinion.
I dont like ASCN or BoB. But I do like leaders with visions and put them into reality. Cyvok was such leader he has been a part of founding the biggest Industrial Alliance build in Eve-Online.
This fact is a major feat and is admirable.
ASCN put up the first Outpost and launched the first Titan,
two new historical achievment under his reign.
I personaly wish the person behind the Avatar Cyvok the very best in RL or if you continue to game in Eve-Online.
Cheers and signing off Galnet.
Plan Neun
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Daelin Blackleaf
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:55:00 -
[49]
Amazing, not a single "Can I have your stuff" post.
Im sure Cyvok has a lot of valid reasons for leaving but it doesn't exactly look great does it?
Lose titan
Throw wobbly on the forums
Quit EvE
I've seen people get ripped on for leaving (or threatening to) over similarly valid reasons in the past. So why the change in the community?
That being said I shall be sorry to see him go, he achieved a great deal during his time here, and no one can take that away from him. Regardless of what one may think of him, his accomplishments speak for themselves.
I would, however, have liked to hear about this from the man himself.
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Saris
Hookers and Black Jack
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:59:00 -
[50]
It is sad to see you leave. I never had direct dealings with you but your alliance has been great to fly with.
And It is sad that your farewell had to be tainted by someone with so little respect for common decency. You should have been able to say goodbye in your own time.
Fly safe in whatever you do I hope you come back soon and see what your dream has accomplished. |
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:04:00 -
[51]
Good luck and hope to see you back in the game, remember what Seleene said in the other thread, would be good to see you in corp chat.
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Dilsnik
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:04:00 -
[52]
From the Genesis region, through Xif, the Curse war, the 5/Mass/Ra war, G invasion, complex exploiters, and Bob, you have been a stalwart rock.
From the first Outpost, to the most Outposts, to the first Titan,
you have been an inspiration.
Your legacy will always be wriiten upon the very fabric of EvE Space.
Rest well,it is richly deserved.
To your detractors, I lend this qoute:
Be silent. Keep your forked tongues behind your teeth. We did not pass through fire and death to bandy crooked words with witless worms.
To our countrymen remember this:
The Horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound again in the deep, and not for the last time. |
Razor Jaxx
Fate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:05:00 -
[53]
Cyvok can walk tall and be proud of what he achieved as a CEO and alliance leader, regardless of recent events. I for one would've been unable to do what he successfully achieved.
Best of luck to Virtuozzo.
Fate kills |
Aberash
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:05:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Aberash on 13/12/2006 13:05:15
Farewell CYVOK, you were a great leader and have done so much in Building this alliance,
Best of luck and remember this is a game, RL comes first.
*tips hat*
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:07:00 -
[55]
Daelin, ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back. By the sounds of things, it isn't just this one event that has lead him to his decision.
"Can I have your stuff" is reserved for whining nobodies who usually contribute nothing to the game, and that nobody will miss. Cyvok falls into neither catagory.
GL Cyvok.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Fortior
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Amazing, not a single "Can I have your stuff" post.
Im sure Cyvok has a lot of valid reasons for leaving but it doesn't exactly look great does it?
Lose titan
Throw wobbly on the forums
Quit EvE
I've seen people get ripped on for leaving (or threatening to) over similarly valid reasons in the past. So why the change in the community?
That being said I shall be sorry to see him go, he achieved a great deal during his time here, and no one can take that away from him. Regardless of what one may think of him, his accomplishments speak for themselves.
I would, however, have liked to hear about this from the man himself.
The change in the community is because he endured exactly those things, but thousandfold more than most. Leading an alliance is quite hard work, espec. when it's 4k members. He has also contributed an amazing amount to EVE, both as gaming environment and histroy. Feythabolis will now forever be one of the most developed 0.0 regions, and it was created under his leadership.
I doubt you'll hear anything more from than man himself on these forums. Actually, he hasn't said anything at all on these forums for a great long while.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:12:00 -
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Dark day for me, Cyvok was the reason my corp is in ASCN. i wont sing his praise anymore as i have done that in other threads but i do agree on one thing....the HATE
Everyone goes too far....
Eve is a good game becuase it does inspire you to get deeply involved, but it goes too far....
We all get angry and want to try to get advantage on others....but it goes too far....
Look at any eve-o post and see how much hate and anger there is in this game. goto a random eve general discussion section and see "CCP SUCK GIVE ME THIS ETC"
goto the sell forum and find the usual "OMG LOL AT YOU NUB SO AND SO DONT SELL FOR THAT"
Were all a bunch of emotional car wrecks - we get angry at entertainment, we say abuse and hate to each other....
Look at how much hate went into the ascn-bob war posts for the last 3 months....pick one...see? is that healthy competition? no its mindgames and is sociopaths on soapboxes. (on both sides)
You all see the char name and see the ticker and that evokes a emotional reaction "i like him" or "i hate him" and something else clicks that says "im gonna be an ******* to him" or "i agree with him yarrr"
If people want to win wars they should do it in game and leave this forum clear because after 3 months of warring posts i honestly dont think i like the eve community anymore.
At evefest i spoke with people from all the alliances in eve, top people who were so cool and nice and i did have to wonder "are these the same people that i saw write this and that?" if anyone spoke to me like i have been spoken to in these forums at the fest, Rekyavik hospital would be busy and that is my point! keyboard warriors! nice and safe saying outlandish stuff when your anonymous isnt it? were all civilised yet we can act like animals cos CCP let us get away with it! and i know i cant be found so that angry person cant harm me....
Unless something changes it will get worse. Alliances will use constant mind games of the forums as a weapon and the gaming press will continue to think of eve as "specialists only" while it dwindles into obscurity as a middle of the road MMORG. what do you think new players to the game thing of it when they come into this forum?
CCPs playground concept doesnt work when you allow total free reign to a certain behaviour.
Rant over
CEO Pyrex 
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:16:00 -
[58]
Red Storm Salutes.
o7 CYVOK
Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info |
Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:16:00 -
[59]
Best wishes.
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laotse
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:16:00 -
[60]
its a sad and black day for eve many more wil follow taking current events the game will never be the same
cyvok we i will miss you as being the great leader 
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:17:00 -
[61]
nice post and good luck to cyvok.
Keep going ASCN dont let this be the end.
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:18:00 -
[62]
Another one bites the dust.
Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW! |
superscarface
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:18:00 -
[63]
All the best Cyvok.
I strongly agree with CEO Pyrex, this devolution needs to stop. Where is the love? 
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:21:00 -
[64]
Good luck with whatever you're up to Cyvok.
Whatever will happen in feythabolis - you created something huge noone can remove from the map.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:21:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Imperil
Another one bites the dust.
sigh
read my post as you are case study no 1
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:22:00 -
[66]
He made Eve history. I won't be suprised that people will remember his name as long as this game excists
In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:24:00 -
[67]
Cyvok is one of the 'greats' of EVE. Nothing can ever take that away from him.
Cyvok - As Eddz said - it's not something easy to walk away from. If you ever want to just talk or maybe look for a new way to play the game, you know where to find me. For now, you deserve a break. Take your time and find your love of the game again.
Virtuozzo - In the times I've spoken with you, it's been nothing but a pleasure. It's very apparent that with your new job that ASCN itself may undergo some radical changes. Good luck!
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Al Haquis
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:26:00 -
[68]
CYVOK leaves behind him self a legacy and **** loads of History and that is what Eve is all about, so im many ways CYVOK wins EvE.
Respect and dont take it to bad but focus on the good things and days you leave behind.
For one i have respect for the legacy you leave behind.
With love from Al Haquis
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Extreme
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:27:00 -
[69]
A statue should be put up in Feythabolis as a reminder to CYVOK.
Amen to CEO Pyrex words!
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Dracorimus
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:29:00 -
[70]
One of the celebrities in Eve, a history maker himself, nothing can take that away....
Good luck in your future endeavors in and outside of this game.
o7
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:29:00 -
[71]
Good luck to Virtuozzo its not going to be an easy ride but i'm sure it will be an interesting one.
Good luck to Cyvok and whatever you choose to do, as Eddz has said Eve is more than a game and i'm sure you will be drawn back.
To the people who make unkind and snide comments, until you have accomplished things like Cyvok has in this game maybe you should keep quiet.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:29:00 -
[72]
You've done so much for this game, and it's a shame to see someone like you go.
Best of luck, and thanks.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Malvahn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:30:00 -
[73]
Becous i am a nobody in EVE and don't got any leety friends i'll probebly get utterly flamed for this but **** it.
It saddens me when people get actualy bullied away from a game. I do not think i have ever seen so much bashing on people as in with eve (and i have played WoW ) the amount of insulting and putting some one down on the forums suprices me each day again. And sometimes the community of eve really disgusts me especialy serten alliances. I know they say its all a game but hounestly the way some people act and things do to asure wins makes me believe other wise (that its not a game for them).
I'll stop going off topic now becous i do not wish my post to be deleted so...
I'm sorry to hear you leave Cyvok I wish you the best of luck with what ever your going to do but i truely hope you stay and continue to play EVE. Best of luck sir with what ever your planning to do o>
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:30:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 13/12/2006 13:33:00
Farewell CYVOK.
You are the reason we came across to ASCN, you are the reason we stayed.
I know I have about 1000 posts on the ASCN forums and many were rants or complaints, but it was always to try to get us as a group to improve, to live up to the vision.
You, personally, have always had my 100% support and respect, as I posted on our internal forums only yesterday, your change in RL circumsntaces and forced absences has been the worst thing ever to happen to ASCN.
I don't blame you for going, the personal attacks are not something that anyone should have to put up with. The general unpleasantness of this war has soured the game for a great many in ASCN and I expect on or before its conclusion a great many of us will be leaving the game for good. Let's let the last smacktard turn off the lights.
Fly safe in real life mate and you will be sorely missed, why not move across to Pirates of the Burning Sea early and save a place on your boat for me
I feel sorry for our own Ebil Grand Vizier now he is having to step out from the shadows.
edit: i cant believe p.oopdeck is censored lol
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Camilo Cienfuegos
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:31:00 -
[75]
It is a sad day when the man himself was not given the chance to say these things for himself. However...
Quote:
Strange face, with your eyes
So pale and sincere.
Underneath you know well
You have nothing to fear.
For the dreams that came to you when so young
Told of a life
Where spring is sprung.
You would seem so frail
In the cold of the night
When the armies of emotion
Go out to fight.
But while the earth sinks to its grave
You sail to the sky
On the crest of a wave.
So forget this cruel world
Where I belong
I'll just sit and wait
And sing my song.
And if one day you should see me in the crowd
Lend a hand and lift me
To your place in the cloud.
...You're free now CYVOK - enjoy it!
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Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:34:00 -
[76]
I think the system of his demise should be renamed in his honor.
Congratulations for making it out. Not many do.
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If your not dyin' your not tryin'. |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:34:00 -
[77]
CYVOK,
From CLS' Mining director to CEO when Ishkur left to alliance president, to alliance leader.
Through all of it you were always the same guy and for that you get my respect.
While not agreeing with everything you have done, I cannot help but think of what we have accomplished together in CLS and smile. :)
Now take a well-deserved break and I'm sure you'll get back to EVE. No-one quits EVE. :)
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One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them.
One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:35:00 -
[78]
Good luck Cyvok, and respect 
____________________
A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:41:00 -
[79]
Originally by: ZelRox
Originally by: Voltron
Originally by: Blacklight
CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Shocking to see that come from a BOB leader, yet quite reassuring as well. Good to see you don't have a skewed take on the situation.
Volt
Why would it be shocking. Its only a game afterall :)
I only found it shocking b/c of several BOB posts as of late, I fully expected to see an onslaught of taunts and jabs thrown at CYVOK. Its nothing personal, it's just the impression that had been doled out by several BOB pilots these past few weeks.
And as I said, I was pleasantly surprised to see BL's post, it's changed my perception of BOB slightly, and you know what they say about changing the world one person at a time
Volt
It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:43:00 -
[80]
GL and respects
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Rennard
Janissaries
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:47:00 -
[81]
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
...Not playing EvE at the moment, currently hibernating and forum whoring... |
Sexy Schoolgirl
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:47:00 -
[82]
Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
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olyyy
Gallente
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:47:00 -
[83]
Nothing lasts forever.
Cyvok, I don't like your ingame character for many reasons (which are not necessarly the ones that may pop up in your mind).
This being said, ingames things remain ingame. Good luck with your break. Enjoy it and come back when you feel like it
Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting. |
DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:48:00 -
[84]
I'll just copy what I put in the other thread, as it was probably lost in the middle of the smack!
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CYVOK û No matter what some parts of my alliance or the community may say, you deserve credit for leading your alliance and creating the largest entity in game - you have my respect for what youÆve achieved.
I am sorry you think that BoB have cheated their way to winning though, because the simple fact is we havenÆt. We play hard and intense all the time, but we donÆt cheat û ever.
Anyway, good game, good fight and good luck.
Originally by: Blacklight
I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:49:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
Case study no 2
go read my post angry man
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Cown
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:49:00 -
[86]
It's just a game... You guys make it sound like this is real life.
Take a walk, smell the air 
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:51:00 -
[87]
GL IRL CYVOK
Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard |
SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:56:00 -
[88]
GL, my only thoughts are drop all your alliance worries and go find some scally wags to fly with. yarghhh made a nice change for me when alliance stuff got silly.
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Hilder
Amarr
British Industrialist and Transportation Services
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:00:00 -
[89]
Its a shame that a person who has achieved a lot in this game feels there is no other option than to leave like this.
But with all the other drama unfolding over the last few days, not much surprises me anymore..
GL CYVOK.
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Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
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Sinlare
Gallente
Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:04:00 -
[90]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
Case study no 2
go read my post angry man
While you're right in criticizing Rennard, you're not right in criticizing alot of the other posts on these forums.
Simply because they are meant to be ingame -and not real life- insults or jabs or whatever, directed at a character. When you keep trying to reflect them to your person IRL, you are the one taking this too far.
Take your hospital comment a few posts above for example, do you really think people would allow other people to shoot down their spaceships(if they had any ;)) IRL?? Same goes for the comments.
Think again Pyrex, and maby you'll see where the real problem lies. |
Bjoern Bitter
Dragons Of Redemption
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:08:00 -
[91]
CYVOK was a pillar of Eve, and an inspiration to his alliance.
Good luck, sir, and fly safe. May the wind blow you to gentler shores.
Regards,
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Bjoern Bitter
CEO Dragons of Redemption
PRESIDENT Veritas Immortalis
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Krongo
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:12:00 -
[92]
Good luck whit what ever u choose to do
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Leosian
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:13:00 -
[93]
Good luck to you in your future endeavors Cyvok.
You took over the reigns of CLS during a difficult period and turned it around.
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Bloederig
Arcane Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:15:00 -
[94]
I can only fully understand CYVOK's decision on this.
I wish it would be turned out otherwise, but sometimes the wind isn't flowing with you and you have to try to stay up or give up. The 2nd it is this time.
Best of luck to you CYVOK, and to the rest of the new team to replace him.
-Bloed.
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rig0r
Arcane Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:16:00 -
[95]
Originally by: SwindonBadger
GL, my only thoughts are drop all your alliance worries and go find some scally wags to fly with. yarghhh made a nice change for me when alliance stuff got silly.
The badger speaks the truth.
GL to you and ASCN.
Creator of eve-killboard.net. Get the killboard here.
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fuze
Gallente
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:21:00 -
[96]
GL Cyvok
GL Virtuozzo
Being a man I still can achieve multiple sarcasms. |
Nikita Fontaine
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:27:00 -
[97]
Sad to see such an accomplished and successful leader stand down, good luck to virt though!
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Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ
Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:28:00 -
[98]
Regardless of personal opinion. I think everyone should be able to say goodbye to CYVOK & good luck to the new leadership he leaves behind. Regardless of how he got there, CYVOK created & lead the largest Industrial entity EVE has seen & no doubt its for that he'll be remembered, if indeed he is able to resist the urge to return that so many have given into before him.
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Wulfgard
Minmatar
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:30:00 -
[99]
Much respect Boss, fly safe in RL
To the trolls: Can't we have on thread free of flames for once? Pyrex post seems right on the ball concerning the Eve community, it has gone sour and it is full of anger.
What about SPORTMANSHIP and DECENCY? Leaders of ASCN and BoB it is your responsability, it should be one of your goal: make this game and its community a fun and mature place.
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DarkZaion
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:35:00 -
[100]
good luck CYVOK,
make sure u come back!!!
love eve again!
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Zajo
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:36:00 -
[101]
Good luck C and take care out there.
It's a sad day seeing you part from the game. You came a long way and you made a big name for yourself while supporting thousands on the way. As someone said a long time ago, some people play EVE for years without making a diffrence. This can not be said about you. You have made a lot of diffrence in this game and we are many who thank you for that.
I wish you nothing but the best of luck IRL and to what ever game you may turn to I only have one thing to say.
"Fore"
As the leadership change the groupe will change too. Good luck to Virtuozzo and good luck to ASCN. I am sure it will all go well. Enjoy the new changes that will come your way.
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"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" |
Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:39:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 13/12/2006 14:39:51
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
He used to have the time, and now he does not. I don't know why you feel the need to talk **** about that, but it happens. I know this is completely alien to you, but some people do get/have a real life.
Let's compare for a minute:
CYVOK: Built ASCN into an industrial juggernaught. Has the respect of his friends and enemies alike
You: Accomplished nothing but talking huge amounts of smack on the forum and ingame.
Know your place.
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
sellitnow
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:42:00 -
[103]
Edited by: sellitnow on 13/12/2006 14:42:56
wrong char, see next post.
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NoWeR
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:43:00 -
[104]
Edited by: NoWeR on 13/12/2006 14:43:17
Its been 6 moths since i left your corp but i still feel i lost something the day i left.
Even if i didnt agree with you and some of the cls leadership allmost all the time i was there for more than 1 year becouse i feel like i was at home.
Thank u,
Good luck CYVOK.
ohh, and cya soon, u will be back.
ps. I agree 100% with Pirex. forums=bad
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:46:00 -
[105]
Good luck to you Cyvok o/
-Dumus-
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:47:00 -
[106]
Good luck CYVOK. The burden of leadership can be heavy, but at least you made your mark on EVE. Nobody can deny that you accomplished alot.
Shamis
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Gothikia
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:48:00 -
[107]
Good luck to CYVOK! You had a hard job in EVE.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:49:00 -
[108]
Cyvok leaving? Nah, just make sure you put loooong skill to train (Amarr Titan level 5 may be a good choice) and come back.
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Kar'Dargo
omen.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:53:00 -
[109]
Farewell Cyvok, a job well done.
~Due to the uniquely brilliant content of this signature, I am afraid we must not display it.
~Also, while I didn't attend the funeral, I did send a letter saying that I approved of it. |
Kar'Dargo
omen.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:53:00 -
[110]
Farewell CYVOK, a job well done.
~Due to the uniquely brilliant content of this signature, I am afraid we must not display it.
~Also, while I didn't attend the funeral, I did send a letter saying that I approved of it. |
Kar'Dargo
omen.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:55:00 -
[111]
Farewell CYVOK, a job well done.
~Due to the uniquely brilliant content of this signature, I am afraid we must not display it.
~Also, while I didn't attend the funeral, I did send a letter saying that I approved of it. |
WhiteSnake
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:58:00 -
[112]
@ CYVOK good luck m8
@ bob, hypocrisy lvl 5. The last 2 months you have been hijacking
ascn's forums
ascn's teamspeak
ascn's channels and mails
made forum propaganda
flamming CYVOC every sinlge time u could
used any out of game opportunity you could to win ascn (since ingame BOB are great)
and now you are comming and say, you are sad that he is quiting game?
be more mature next time,and try to play this game as it should be.
good job BOB, grats for your ethics.
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WhiteSnake
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:59:00 -
[113]
Edited by: WhiteSnake on 13/12/2006 15:07:15
double post
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Karl Shade
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:13:00 -
[114]
Sad to hear.
Apart from your leadership, of which I have no first hand knowledge. The current conflict and CYVOK in particular have, for good or ill, made this forum a lot more interesting.
Interesting is good. Salut!
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Kipkruide
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:13:00 -
[115]
GL
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Deirdre Skye
Caldari
Capital Traders
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:14:00 -
[116]
Nepereta c/o Deirdre
I left the allaince a few monthes ago but:
Well done on all your accomplishments Cyvok.
You always had time to talk to the little guys and sort out problems.
You always acted fairly to the members of the allaince and those outside it.
You will always be remembered for more than losing the first Titan.
GL in all your endevours.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:16:00 -
[117]
No need to wish CYVOK good luck - he's the kind of guy that goes out and fashions his own destiny and luck be damned.
That being said, he takes with him a large chunk of the game and as we've seen here, both friend and foe recognize his contributions to EvE. Yes, the forums are acidic, but this is an in-character forum so it's to be expected. WHen the chips are down, people step out of character and give credit where it's due. CYVOK: I wish you well!
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Talon SilverHawk
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:19:00 -
[118]
Good luck CYVOK, I'm sure you will do great at whatever you turn your hand to next. As you can see from the responces here while EVE can be an unforgiving place there are still plenty of decent peeps around.
Tal
What goes around comes around
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Darion Hathor
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:19:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Good luck to Virtuozzo its not going to be an easy ride but i'm sure it will be an interesting one.
Good luck to Cyvok and whatever you choose to do, as Eddz has said Eve is more than a game and i'm sure you will be drawn back.
To the people who make unkind and snide comments, until you have accomplished things like Cyvok has in this game maybe you should keep quiet.
/signed
Originally by: Sassinak
...but out of all that hate, there's still a little mOo in everyone ¼_¼
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Saint Wicoa
Amarr
Pod Squad
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:19:00 -
[120]
It was a huge achievement of any alliance or corp to build a titan and no one can ever take that away from you, well done C for making that happen.
Good luck and come back soon!
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:23:00 -
[121]
Have a good one CYVOK, fix RL, have a breather, come back stronger.
Best of luck,
Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
ammargal
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:26:00 -
[122]
The best of luck to Cyvok for whatever he wishes to do. he has really made name for himself and even the newest people in the game know him already as a great player of eve. Although I reckon that he will be back sooner or later, for now goodbye.
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Wraithstorm
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:28:00 -
[123]
Being in the Military myself, I can attest to the hard life we Soldiers face. Cyvok, noone can dare put into question what you have made ASCN, and what you have done for the world we find ourselves in here in EVE. From one solider to another bro I salute you, and wish you the best.
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EHZorg
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:36:00 -
[124]
CYVOK - You've earned the right to step back and find anew the things you enjoy about online gaming. Remember your true friends, you can come back at any time, in any fashion, and they will welcome you with open arms. Creating empires in online games is like building elaborate sand-castles on the beach - take a snapshot of it at it's best, stick it up in your memory banks and say "Look, I did this!"; but don't be distraught when the tides wash it away... because that snapshot will always be with you (and with the thousands of people who witnessed it). The tides wash away everyone's sand castles in the end, even BoB's.
You sir, have left your mark on the lives of everyone who plays EvE - whether they know it or not. Good luck wherever you decide to make your mark next.
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:38:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/12/2006 15:38:51
From one of your former members, I wish you good luck and fortune in your future endeavors in both real life and in Eve, whether it is leaving this game entirely or "starting over" on a new adventure.
A new dawn has always followed the darkest hours.
o7
Res - It speaks for itself in a misspelled kind of way
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Doomed Predator
The Phoenix Rising
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:39:00 -
[126]
Good luck CYVOK
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The first mod to edit my sig gets a keg of beer(2 pink kegs if its done by a female)
I don't like beer  - Serathu
Sera often mods in a dress, does that mean I can have his 2 kegs? - Cortes
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nickky01
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:43:00 -
[127]
good luck in your future cyvok, i remember being a noobie and being in awe at the size of ascn, you accomplished alot in your time, and nobody can take that away from you.
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Nasuno
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:50:00 -
[128]
Have fun out there Cyvok. I feel for your enemies in the next mmo you pick up.
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Marine03112
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:55:00 -
[129]
I remember Cyvok when i spent a short time in xetic. Good man and i wish the best for him in RL and i EVE. To ASCN good fighting you and lets continue to have fun.
Marine.
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:56:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Add to this the downward spiral of Eve over the last year, and I can understand why he stepped down.
Bah! Still the same sly propaganda master, ain't you?
Eve is just fine my frind. Keep that kind of nonsense out of you statements please.
Especially since you ask the rest of us to keep it clean.
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:06:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Herculite on 13/12/2006 16:06:31
Originally by: WhiteSnake
@ CYVOK good luck m8
@ bob, hypocrisy lvl 5. The last 2 months you have been hijacking
ascn's forums
ascn's teamspeak
ascn's channels and mails
made forum propaganda
flamming CYVOC every sinlge time u could
used any out of game opportunity you could to win ascn (since ingame BOB are great)
and now you are comming and say, you are sad that he is quiting game?
be more mature next time,and try to play this game as it should be.
good job BOB, grats for your ethics.
Its a game.
I think this is what so many people fail to grasp. None of this is imporant. Its like building a model trainset in pixel form. BoB didn't do anything evil or cheat, they play the game within the rules. ASCN HC has MULTIPLE times said they have access to BoB's forums and spies. I recall Cyvok himself saying several months ago, that ASCN has spies in it and that ASCN had spies in many alliances its part of the game. BoB is upfront about it, and if anything that makes it less of an issue than doing it in secret. They rubbed ASCN's nose in it, but in all that time did ASCN do ANYTHING to improve security? We all know the answer to that.
So please, no playing holyer then thou here. Cyvok did more in game than 99.999% of the players in terms of game accomplishments, but its a GAME about SPACE WAR pew pew, his alliance failed in that aspect. If its no longer fun but work then find a new hobby.
I've seen to many people over the years tie so much of their social life and ego into online games that it ruined a bright future. Its good to know when to step away.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:08:00 -
[132]
Good luck to Cyvok.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of his actions, the amount of work he put into ASCN was tremendous and his dedication was unmatched.
No replacement will be able to live up to what he did.
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:08:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Gungankllr
Add to this the downward spiral of Eve over the last year, and I can understand why he stepped down.
Bah! Still the same sly propaganda master, ain't you?
Eve is just fine my frind. Keep that kind of nonsense out of you statements please.
Especially since you ask the rest of us to keep it clean.
ermm...i didnt quite understand what in this sentence was so offensive
anyway good luck cyvok. me and my corp salutes u.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:10:00 -
[134]
Respect to CYVOK keeping the alliance going under all that strain on his personal life, he has accomplished many things in eve and certainly for around probabley 15000 players maybe more changed their eve lives by constructing a massive network in freya.
people can say what they like about the titan, sure he lost it and stupidly but thats the game if any other player had lost such an investment so stupidly who wouldnt blame them for being disheartened with the game.
we personally dealt with CYVOK only few times in TNT and although we are currently -10 at first he did do all he could to prevent friendly fire incidents which we occuring at the time, im sure his persistance in the game has lead ASCN to be a great alliance.
respect to the new leadership but remember if it does all go wrong, no-one can blame you thats just the EVE-Life cycle everyone has their day eventually.
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Vestalia Gaea
The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:11:00 -
[135]
Good luck IRL Cyvok.
And let's see Virt put ASCN back on track, take churchill as an example of what leadership can achieve in what looks like a hopeless situation.
'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.' |
Hectic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:16:00 -
[136]
Any leader of any alliance that plays on the level that ASCN does, has committed more RL resources/time/stress over their alliance than most people can even comprehend. I have to only have respect for this work as in a sense it is done only in an attempt to bring others together and make the gaming experience of many people just a little better. Thank you CYVOK for that time you put into this community, it has enhanced the game, enriched the player base with stories, experiences, as well as influenced the permanent landscape of the game with all the structures you lead to the construction of.
As I have rediscovered recently, real life is very important, it was going on all along whilst we played our game here. Though, while we did invest much of ourselves into this game, when we leave it we do not walk away with nothing in hand. I have friends from this game that I am very close to, who I trust just as much as ones I met IRL, this is our compensation I think to all the time we put into this community, and it is a good compensation tbh. Good luck CYVOK, see you around.
Listen to BoB Radio!!
WELCOME BACK MGRL |
Twoside
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:21:00 -
[137]
I am sorry to see Cyvok go, respect to what you've build and achieved. As Fred0 said, eve needs more people like him and not less.
The best of luck on whatever you chose to build up next.
Also, best of luck to Virtuozzo for having to fill big boots.
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Techyon
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:21:00 -
[138]
Best of luck with your future endeavors Cyvok, what you achieved in this game stands and will not be forgotten.
It's a good thing to take a good break from eve -or quite entirely- to relax a bit. Although quitting proofs a difficult feat in most cases.
Also, good luck to Virtuozzo, a though time stands before you in holding ASCN together and perhaps after that taking it a step beyond what it is today.
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:07:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Reto
Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Gungankllr
Add to this the downward spiral of Eve over the last year, and I can understand why he stepped down.
Bah! Still the same sly propaganda master, ain't you?
Eve is just fine my frind. Keep that kind of nonsense out of you statements please.
Especially since you ask the rest of us to keep it clean.
ermm...i didnt quite understand what in this sentence was so offensive
anyway good luck cyvok. me and my corp salutes u.
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:07:00 -
[140]
what pyrex said word for word..... the hate has gone and is still going to far
/salute Cyvok
I will always be honoroed to fly with you
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:08:00 -
[141]
People say that Eve is the best online game around due to it's open-endedness. A lot of the richness of this world does not come from CCP, but from the visions of people like Cyvok, SirMolle, Seleene, Hardin, Istavaan and many others. Without them we wouldn't have alliances who build empires, alliances who destroy them, ruthless mercenaries for hire or large scale heists to enrich the eve universe with.
Hopefully ASCN will continue to build on Cyvok's vision of creating an empire in 0.0
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Leverton
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:10:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Qual
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
Can we PLEASE keep this civil and show respect to a great person?
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The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force.
Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith
I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus |
Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:13:00 -
[143]
just want to add my best wishes and more than your fair share of good luck in future endeavor Cyvok.
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:21:00 -
[144]
/salute
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I got something to put in you.
at the *** bar. |
Fuglife
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:22:00 -
[145]
If your leaving anywhere make sure you leave for the right reasons.
Still, Goodluck.
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:36:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Leverton
Originally by: Qual
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
Can we PLEASE keep this civil and show respect to a great person?
Hey, he started. I wasn't the one saying that eve (implicitly its community) was degrading. I would have let it go if Gungan didn't reapeat it. The comunity does not deserve that kind of low shots. So sorry, no respect until the comunity gets an appollogy really... (From Gungan will do...)
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:40:00 -
[147]
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 13/12/2006 16:35:01
Originally by: Gungankllr
I say in the darkest times, light shines the brightest.
Fair winds and following seas, my friend.
uuuwwaaaawaaaawaaaa.... you almost made me cry ....
It's always easier to run away from trouble rather than face it as a man, isnt it?
That's the problem with your kind. People like you think sentimentality is a weakness. And that morality is something to be laughed at.
Regardless of how he choose to leave the game or how he went about the war or whatever, the man has earned the respect in just about every way from everyone in EVE. Running a corp isn't easy, and an alliance the size of ASCN is a huge undertaking no matter how you slice it. Period.
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inara reynolds
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:48:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Shardrael
what pyrex said word for word..... the hate has gone and is still going to far
/salute Cyvok
I will always be honoroed to fly with you
Cyvok was a great leader who gave up.
Cyvok is a stepping stone for the world of Eve. Other leaders will come who will do it better than Cyvok. As the leader he ultimately failed. To HATE. How does that surprise you? It was said many times that Eve is a reflection of RL. OK, Middle East is one example when ppl are getting along so well. So Eve is as bad as RL. Eve is supposed to be worse than RL.
Greatest leaders learn to reflect hate. Cyvok reached his ability. He lost titan due to a bug. He lost his empire due to his human nature. He had "enough".
BoB military machine psychology works apparently better than anything else in the game. Cyvok's way was not good enough. Can ASCN pull an RA trick and get their glory back? We are about to see.
Thew game just became hundred times more interesting.
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Trypho
Minmatar
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:59:00 -
[149]
Take care, I`ve liked you as a leader
Sad to see you go, best of luck outside of EVE.
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Wrok
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:04:00 -
[150]
Cya cyvok...Have fun in rl Flyboy...
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Jag Panzer
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:10:00 -
[151]
Virtuozzo, best of Luck in the near future.
CYVOK you will always be remembered in time for what you achieved in Eve and what you did for your ASCN.
You will b miss. GL in your RL and success in everything you do.
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cordy
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:15:00 -
[152]
Cyvok, I already said what i wanted to say but wanna wish you all the luck in eve aswell as real life.
To virt, you will do great, just keep in mind this is just a game unlike some people say it isnt, those people really should take a step into the real world. Just keep my tech two lub parties going i heard they got famouse :P
Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:15:00 -
[153]
True Eve is more than a game for most. Again true, it's a pretty good indication for work ethic/drive and passion for the real life human being behind the keyboard.
When Real Life and Eve Collides, it's Eve that should be put on the burner or in this day and age, the recycle bin on your hard drive. I've never met the guy, in any form. The Alliance I'm a member of has had the few skirmishes with ASCN but they were before my time, even though I've been playing on and off for several years I've been an empire carebear loving producer dude. Now that I've seen for myself Alliance politics I can safely say that there's nowhere else it exists except Eve. Short of running your own 1000+ employee company I don't think it's possible TO KNOW what it takes to mould, weld and lead different people to a common goal and succeed, even for a short time, let alone the long haul.
Alliances like BoB, ASCN and a whole host of others make Eve interesting. Without the drama, the keyboard bashing and the inter-alliance politics this would be a vacious experience without meaning or merit. We might as well play that other online game.
I say Good luck to the real life person behind the keyboard and feel proud of what you've accomplished, and should be mentioned on a your resume as well as your military accomplishments. Good Fortune.
Life is about memories the more the better.
Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers! |
Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:23:00 -
[154]
Originally by: inara reynolds
Originally by: Shardrael
what pyrex said word for word..... the hate has gone and is still going to far
/salute Cyvok
I will always be honoroed to fly with you
Cyvok was a great leader who gave up.
Cyvok is a stepping stone for the world of Eve. Other leaders will come who will do it better than Cyvok. As the leader he ultimately failed. To HATE. How does that surprise you? It was said many times that Eve is a reflection of RL. OK, Middle East is one example when ppl are getting along so well. So Eve is as bad as RL. Eve is supposed to be worse than RL.
Greatest leaders learn to reflect hate. Cyvok reached his ability. He lost titan due to a bug. He lost his empire due to his human nature. He had "enough".
BoB military machine psychology works apparently better than anything else in the game. Cyvok's way was not good enough. Can ASCN pull an RA trick and get their glory back? We are about to see.
Thew game just became hundred times more interesting.
I am not surprised in the least, it has been a downward spiral I have witnessed from the time of joining this game.
regardless of that fact I am so very sad for you and any like you that only wanna see the hate, it is a sad way to be and tends to be a very slippery slope.
its a possibility as well that some may come and do what cyvok has done better in the future, or they may not, regardless the point is the man accomplished some legendary things in his time ingame; you can either step back and pay tribute to a great player of this game or try and demean him as he goes out the door..... that choice is yours.
but I ask this how do you want to be remembered?
cyvok can come in here and see both friend and foe alike congratulating him on what he achieved and wishing him well.... personally I think that in and of itself is a major accomplishment of note, it is no easy task to be respected by friend and foe alike.
and qual.... wake up man... appology to the eve community for a low blow.... ffs get a firm grip on reality you seem to have lost it.
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Bawldeux IV
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:34:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 13/12/2006 19:04:34
Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Leverton
Originally by: Qual
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
Can we PLEASE keep this civil and show respect to a great person?
Hey, he started. I wasn't the one saying that eve (implicitly its community) was degrading. I would have let it go if Gungan didn't reapeat it. The comunity does not deserve that kind of low shots. So sorry, no respect until the comunity gets an appollogy really... (From Gungan will do...)
Well, based on the fact that the message was posted to our private forums, not public, and a CCP puppet did post the screeny from our private forums on a CCP forum, against the ccp forum rules, I think CCP is the one that should apologize...
as for your lame childish reasoning behind your flame...grow up.
Even BoB thought the CCP endorsed post was wrong, and are showing honor in the forums concerning this subject...so why can't you?
To Cyvok, sorry to see you step down, but I do understand. Good luck and god-speed to you sir.
Good write up to explain copyright, to get an idea why the screen shot was in violation to post.
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Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:36:00 -
[156]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Dark day for me, Cyvok was the reason my corp is in ASCN. i wont sing his praise anymore as i have done that in other threads but i do agree on one thing....the HATE
Everyone goes too far....
Eve is a good game becuase it does inspire you to get deeply involved, but it goes too far....
We all get angry and want to try to get advantage on others....but it goes too far....
Look at any eve-o post and see how much hate and anger there is in this game. goto a random eve general discussion section and see "CCP SUCK GIVE ME THIS ETC"
goto the sell forum and find the usual "OMG LOL AT YOU NUB SO AND SO DONT SELL FOR THAT"
Were all a bunch of emotional car wrecks - we get angry at entertainment, we say abuse and hate to each other....
Look at how much hate went into the ascn-bob war posts for the last 3 months....pick one...see? is that healthy competition? no its mindgames and is sociopaths on soapboxes. (on both sides)
You all see the char name and see the ticker and that evokes a emotional reaction "i like him" or "i hate him" and something else clicks that says "im gonna be an ******* to him" or "i agree with him yarrr"
If people want to win wars they should do it in game and leave this forum clear because after 3 months of warring posts i honestly dont think i like the eve community anymore.
At evefest i spoke with people from all the alliances in eve, top people who were so cool and nice and i did have to wonder "are these the same people that i saw write this and that?" if anyone spoke to me like i have been spoken to in these forums at the fest, Rekyavik hospital would be busy and that is my point! keyboard warriors! nice and safe saying outlandish stuff when your anonymous isnt it? were all civilised yet we can act like animals cos CCP let us get away with it! and i know i cant be found so that angry person cant harm me....
Unless something changes it will get worse. Alliances will use constant mind games of the forums as a weapon and the gaming press will continue to think of eve as "specialists only" while it dwindles into obscurity as a middle of the road MMORG. what do you think new players to the game thing of it when they come into this forum?
CCPs playground concept doesnt work when you allow total free reign to a certain behaviour.
Rant over
CEO Pyrex
I always knew you were one of "the good guys" in DDC, but wow....you summarized pretty much all my thoughts and feelings about Eve since I left ASCN a year ago or so, or whatever it has been. Wonderful, insightful post!
Just remember though, Cyvok has erred, as we all have, towards the forces of this "hate" you speak of. He has failed, like we all have, to "do the right thing" on occassion. He has looked the other way when he should have taken a principled, instead of an expedient stand on events.
But despite these "imperfections" and moments of poor decision, shouldn't we all take your advice and step back and cool off a bit and deal with this tendency to "hate" on each other in a more constructive manner that is in the spirit of what a good MMORPG community can be?
Don't want to go on and on here, but still I appreciate your well thought out post and hope that others seriously look at what it really says without trying to exempt themselves from the indictment it passes on this entire community.
Davlin Lotze
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Skooney
Gallente
Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:04:00 -
[157]
I have not had the honour of meeting CYVOK, yet I have followed alot of his accomplishments in EVE since I started. I will echo what others have said, your accomplishments and legacy will live forever with EVE - Well done!
Universal Agencies
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Whiro Teiuq
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:05:00 -
[158]
Set a long skill training, and take a break, C. Start fresh.
Be seein' you.
~Whiro |
Solaria Taonas
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:06:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Major Tarsis
Best of Luck to Virtuozzo.
CYVOK you will be remembered in time for what you achieved in Eve and what you did for your Alliance.
Best of luck to both in the Future.
yea, like losing the first Titan in EVE history.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:12:00 -
[160]
Originally by: inara reynolds
Originally by: Shardrael
what pyrex said word for word..... the hate has gone and is still going to far
/salute Cyvok
I will always be honoroed to fly with you
Cyvok was a great leader who gave up.
Cyvok is a stepping stone for the world of Eve. Other leaders will come who will do it better than Cyvok. As the leader he ultimately failed. To HATE. How does that surprise you? It was said many times that Eve is a reflection of RL. OK, Middle East is one example when ppl are getting along so well. So Eve is as bad as RL. Eve is supposed to be worse than RL.
Greatest leaders learn to reflect hate. Cyvok reached his ability. He lost titan due to a bug. He lost his empire due to his human nature. He had "enough".
BoB military machine psychology works apparently better than anything else in the game. Cyvok's way was not good enough. Can ASCN pull an RA trick and get their glory back? We are about to see.
Thew game just became hundred times more interesting.
got alt ?
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:19:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Solaria Taonas
Originally by: Major Tarsis
Best of Luck to Virtuozzo.
CYVOK you will be remembered in time for what you achieved in Eve and what you did for your Alliance.
Best of luck to both in the Future.
yea, like losing the first Titan in EVE history.
Who the hell are you?
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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USN CVN72
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:27:00 -
[162]
Mad respect for you CYVOK. Also i give props to AF. Hang in there guys and gals and keep your heads up high! Good Luck to the new leadership... Lots of alliances will be paying close attention to your Alliance to see if you can fill very large shoes...
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Rolled
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:29:00 -
[163]
Few in this game will ever achieve what CYVOK has. CYVOK's leaving is a loss to the entire community of Eve.
Take care CYVOK.
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Ethan Kel
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:35:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 13/12/2006 19:52:02
On Behalf of The Merchant Marines we express or sorrow at the loss of such a great player and wish him all the best in his RL Endeavors.
We also thank him and the ASCN for the times we had especially in finding our footing in EVE again.
Thank you ASCN and GOOD LUCK CYVOK !!!
THE CROWDS ROAR AND CHEER FOR CYVOK!!!!
21 GUN SALUTE!!!!!
FIREWORKS LIGHT THE NIGHT THE SKY!!!
BOOM!
Krackle!
POP!
ADMIRALS ATTEND CEREMONIES !!!!
WILD RAVE PARTIES ALL WEEKEND !!!
FULL DRESS MILITARY PARADES!
MAYOR GIVES KEYS TO CITY !!!
TICKER TAPE PARADES!!!
AND THE BAND PLAYS ON !
FAREWELL CYVOK !
Ethan
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:36:00 -
[165]
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:42:00 -
[166]
I'll show respect for someone who dragged ASCN kicking and screaming to where it's at today. That's a lot of hard work and coordination, there.
I don't have to respect the bridge-burning give-me-back-my-toy tantrum mixed in with the goodbyes, though. Instead of leaving with style, he soapboxed. That's the only issue I'd shake my head at.
Respect the man, and the things he did. Let the rest deservedly fade away.
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Bawldeux IV
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:44:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:48:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Winterblink
I'll show respect for someone who dragged ASCN kicking and screaming to where it's at today. That's a lot of hard work and coordination, there.
I don't have to respect the bridge-burning give-me-back-my-toy tantrum mixed in with the goodbyes, though. Instead of leaving with style, he soapboxed. That's the only issue I'd shake my head at.
Respect the man, and the things he did. Let the rest deservedly fade away.
Do we get a 'goodbye' WDA? ;)
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:48:00 -
[169]
- Spiral's post was not CCP endorsed, and he apologized.
- The Titan was not lost to a bug, despite Cyvok's attempt to use his goodbye post to again claim that BoB cheats.
- Just because ASCN is losing a war doesn't mean EVE is on a "downward spiral". You guys are entirely to self-absorbed. The rest of us think the game is doing better then ever.
- It is possible to respect Cyvok's efforts to build ASCN and simultaneously hold him in contempt for his actions and statements.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:55:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Voltron
I only found it shocking b/c of several BOB posts as of late, I fully expected to see an onslaught of taunts and jabs thrown at CYVOK
Whatever our experiences with the character ingame may be, it is always sad to see people leave the game. It's the people that make EVE.
Remember, there's a lot more roleplaying in this game than at first meets the eye :)
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*snip* - no profanity allowed in sigs, even if McCreedy said it - Tirg |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:56:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Kharakan
Do we get a 'goodbye' WDA? ;)
You're quitting ASCN too? :P
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Abriana Overlord
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:57:00 -
[172]
/emote role play mode off
Cyvok, yep you certainly achieved alot, That is something of which you can be proud.
Many of the posts in this thread have eluded to eve being in the blood, I think this is the case.
I expect you to return one day, if anything because there is not another game out there that can currently compete on the community, teamwork, or pure funnage level.
Running alliances can eventually get to feel like a job, that is when the fun starts going away.
Take a change of pace, your account is paid up for ages anyhow and just recharge.
IMO you just need a clean break for a bit
All the best and stuffs
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:08:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 13/12/2006 20:08:51
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
It is my main artard. If you could login and stay alive long enough you could see that...
ASCN is doomed to fail because you to this very dy continue to blame everyone but yourselves. So go and have your emo fit too.
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Abandon AllHope
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:11:00 -
[174]
My best to ASCN, Celestial Horizon, and Cyvok.
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EL TITAN
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:14:00 -
[175]
never knew you personally, but leading an alliance of 4000 people must be hard, respect Cyvok, take care and good luck.
hey being the first person to ever fly a titan in eve is nothing to be ashamed of either ;o
o\ salute.
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<3 hi |
Zrevak Ashek
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:18:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 13/12/2006 20:18:30
Best of luck.
Now, you (CYVOK) could allways become another one of Seleene's minions, as she has a habit of collecting burned out, former, alliance leaders into her ranks.
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niroshido
Caldari
Frontline Defense Force
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:19:00 -
[177]
ASCN
alliance rank NO.1 4000+ players
station ranks: NO.1 ASCN 16 outposts??
1st confirmed Titan owner: CYVOK of ASCN
not to mention countless other things there alliance achieved and what CYVOK helped them to achieve
CYVOK achieved things in EVE that no one has
and for that i believe CYVOK should not leave, its silly to leave over a titan loss ( i know that rl was the main excuse but..)
well done on your achievements CYVOK
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/niroshido/whereeverilandcopy-1.jpg
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:21:00 -
[178]
Reading all of the replies makes me want to puke. The guy builds up a huge alliance, even builds a titan, and ****es it all away, and that is something to be proud of? He quit because he failed his alliance in the face of the eve community. Instead of being real about it, he trashed those who defeated him and quit the game in a temper tantrum. And whatever about his real life issues. We all have RL to deal with, it doesn't make us quit eve on a whim like that. He quit eve because CCP won't give him his(ASCN's) Titan back for a mistake that was his own fault, not because of some real life emergency. It's always a little sad when a big name quits the game, even if you don't really like them. But let's get real people, we all know why he really left, and it's not for the reasons in this flowery press release.
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Remmington Daniels
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:27:00 -
[179]
Eve politics aside. He does sound like a nice bloke IRL. Good luck to him in his future endeavors.
I'm sure we'll see him again. Back to cause more mayhem :)
GL dude
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Raptorius
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:28:00 -
[180]
Good Luck Cyvok.
I'm sure you'll do just fine and hope you find the hunger for Eve again.
/Salute
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Ranek Starscream
Caldari
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:32:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Ranek Starscream on 13/12/2006 20:33:33
Sad to hear such news. I may not have been playing EvE for 3 years but even i can recognise what CYVOK managed to achieve. He's 1 of the "big characters" in EvE, someone who almost everyone knows, whether or not they know what specifically he's done, his name is known from vets to noobs. You will be missed CYVOK but i doubt you'll be forgotten anytime soon
Good luck with whatever you do in the future
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In the depth of space.....no one can hear you scream |
OsirisPrime
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:42:00 -
[182]
Earlier this year I bought two T2 BPO¦s off eskrow for good price... Unfortunately I failed to notice their location, in one of ASCN¦s Outpost¦s in Esoteria.
Me being neutral at that time, decided "What the heck" and "Petitioned" to the leader, Cyvok. (Knowing petitions were pretty much in vain).
Well, Cyvok replied & bought back those two BPO¦s for same price I bought them to begin with, no hazzle what so ever.
I only know him personally from that small encounter, but from that I can only say the world of Eve will be poorer without him in it..
Best of luck dude, hope you don¦t let things get you down to much.
Don¦t start me. I¦ll cry.. |
Meeko Gloom
Gallente Republic
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:45:00 -
[183]
I tip my hat to one of the greatest leaders/player in the HISTORY of eve...
I tips my hat to my former alliance leader
Farwell and GL with were ever you go
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Guns dont Kill People
Drones Do |
Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.12.13 20:51:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
I think the system of his demise should be renamed in his honor.
Congratulations for making it out. Not many do.
i agree
never met you mate, but when us new guys first start to understand eve politics your name always appears. Shame to see you go and I hope you return to the game someday.
GL and best wishes.
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Sir Kad
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:21:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 13/12/2006 20:08:51
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
It is my main artard. If you could login and stay alive long enough you could see that...
ASCN is doomed to fail because you to this very dy continue to blame everyone but yourselves. So go and have your emo fit too.
And who are you? What alliance did you build? What I thought...
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:24:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Sir Kad
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 13/12/2006 20:08:51
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
It is my main artard. If you could login and stay alive long enough you could see that...
ASCN is doomed to fail because you to this very dy continue to blame everyone but yourselves. So go and have your emo fit too.
And who are you? What alliance did you build? What I thought...
lol, same to you.
You seem to miss the fact that even on the way out he showed his complete lack of class. If you have so much respect, why did you leave his corp?
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Sir Kad
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:24:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Sochin
- **Crap from BoB**
The rest of us think the game is doing better then ever.
** More crap from BoB**
We do??
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:31:00 -
[188]
So passes one of the great alliance builders of this game.
Shame to see him go in this way. I wish him all the best.
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"Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:36:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Sir Kad
Originally by: Sochin
- **Crap from BoB**
The rest of us think the game is doing better then ever.
** More crap from BoB**
We do??
why because your "ascn wannabe" allaince is being pwnt in the face by ragoon?
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KentachiSamurai
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:37:00 -
[190]
Edited by: KentachiSamurai on 13/12/2006 21:39:44
All the best in the future CYVOK, you'll be missed by many I'm sure, including those in CCP who have marvelled at what you brought to the game.
Never met you personally, but anyone that puts so much effort into the only true MMOG will be missed.
As history has repeatedly shown us though, when a void is created, someone will rise to fill it. |
KentachiSamurai
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:41:00 -
[191]
Edited by: KentachiSamurai on 13/12/2006 21:41:35
er... due to recent inactivity, I have forgotton how to list my corporation name... 
Sorry mods 
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sMoKe AU
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:42:00 -
[192]
Well Cyvok,
I had the pleasure of being on the good side of you and on the bad side. Both a challenge and a privlege.
Good luck with RL. Having been the leader of an alliance I know exactly how challenging it can be.
Hopefully see you back in game eventualy and trust me if you come back stay out of any form of leadership and the game becomes much more enjoyable again.
Yarrrr 
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Noveron
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:43:00 -
[193]
yeap, we deserve to be invaded. We suck, We are the scum of EVE. Hate us. The reason doesnt matter, any reason will do.
Aside from that, CYVOK deserves much respect in many ways I can imagine. He's been in CLS for around two years and have always acted giving 1000% of what he could. Hours of game time, a kind of game time that Im sure looked more like work than anything else and still he spent countless hours for his corp/alliance. He has given us all a man can humanly give, and I dont think he deserves to be trashed by anyone.. Not by anyone without the guts or will to do what he has done.
He may habe been right or wrong. But who is right and who is wrong all the time? The important thing is he gave everything with the best in mind for us.
Now he leaves... Im sure he has a very good reason, right or wrong, it is his reason, and noone can tell him to do different.
See you in Space CYVOK. Im glad you have been there all this time. Many of those that criticize you wont ever do **** compared with what you achieved.
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Sir Kad
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:45:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
You seem to miss the fact that even on the way out he showed his complete lack of class. If you have so much respect, why did you leave his corp?
I left for an alliance that is PvP oriented, not for any other reason...
It's a courtesy to extend congrats to leaders who have made a difference and decide to call it quits. Guess some people just make eve way too personal...
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Sir Kad
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:48:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
Originally by: Sir Kad
Originally by: Sochin
- **Crap from BoB**
The rest of us think the game is doing better then ever.
** More crap from BoB**
We do??
why because your "ascn wannabe" allaince is being pwnt in the face by ragoon?
The anger...Is Brutor tribe treating you poorly?
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crice
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:54:00 -
[196]
Be a part of EvE history your name will live on.
Good luck to you.
I can understand the "Pressure" of alliance matters.
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Eol Ruin
Minmatar
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:02:00 -
[197]
Good Luck, Sir.
Bet your dream lives on.
/Salute
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=(there is no question that cannot be answered if we use our brain)=
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Kujin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:08:00 -
[198]
Respect Cyvok, .. and all the best for your future.
Fair winds !
...nerf wcs...
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:11:00 -
[199]
good luck cyvok! best wishes.
High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment |
Athelas Loraiel
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:18:00 -
[200]
Good Luck, Sir.
Our dream lives on.
ave Caesare, morituri te salutant !
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Kaleeb
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:21:00 -
[201]
Wow i`m really sorry to see you go Cyvok you made the game interesting to say the least! Hope to see you back someday.
Eris giving out her e-mail... hubba hubba
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:42:00 -
[202]
This is mad.
First, why isn't this in OoPE?
Seriously, I don't care about CYVOK's real life. It has no place here at all.
I am sure he is a great guy in rl, just like he is sure I am a 14yr old, quakeplaying, social misfit, who has to cheat at games to help forget I live in my mom's basement.
It has nothing to do with the game, or the characters. Why was it included in the post?
Next.
CYVOK (who is just a character in a game remember) was not a nice person. Look at the accusations he threw at anyone who did better than him, be it G, or BoB, or whoever.
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
Onwards.
The spite and mallice of Eve is offending him?
Riiiiight.
Because CYVOK was ever the diplomat, wasn't he?
Oh, no .. actually it would seem he was one of the worst offenders, oh the irony!
Petition much?
"Your rattle leaves the pram, wrecking the floor for tantrum damage".
Seriously, WTF!?!
So you lost a ship to a noobie mistake?
We've all done it - I fell asleep and lost a HAC at a gate during this war, and I got ribbed for it for a while. Did I make up some crazy bug and petition it? Or lie to my corp and alliance to cover up my own stupidity?
Of course not, why would I?
Sure a Titan is a bit more of an investment than a HAC, but it is useless anyway right, so what's the big deal?
BoB got what they want, why moan?
Well, there is a big difference between want to beat someone in-game and wanting to force them out of it.
I don't think anyone in BoB actually wants to force anyone in Eve out of the game, just out of their (our) space.
If you can't see the difference then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
This whole saga in the history of Eve has seen the bluring of "in game" and "out of game" in a way that I find disturbing.
Now ASCN would have you believe that it is BoB that are responsible for this, but I think otherwise. ASCN have repeatedly purposefully played that angle in their posts, and by doing so have created the monster they now complain about.
Lastly:
As the player behind the character was mentioned in the OP, I will say this to him:
I honestly hope this break helps restore you enjoyment of Eve.
If the day ever comes that we meet in a bar, the first drink is on me.
I feel absolutely no ill feeling towards you as a person. Anything you character might have said or implied I can accept and forgive. Eve as a game can be a huge investment of not only time but emotion, and it can affect us in ways we would rather it didn't.
We are not our avatars (no pun intended).
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:46:00 -
[203]
Good luck in whoever you join next CYVOK. Despite whats happened recently, you do deserve credit for actually building a titan, and all the outposts and empire you built. Its a shame it ended how it did for you, but eve is a harsh game, things happen when you least expect it.
Now, to virt, he has a mighty job on his hand, and i wish him luck
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Bawldeux IV
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 22:53:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 13/12/2006 22:56:08
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 13/12/2006 20:08:51
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
It is my main artard. If you could login and stay alive long enough you could see that...
ASCN is doomed to fail because you to this very dy continue to blame everyone but yourselves. So go and have your emo fit too.
are you are admitting you are a BoB alt??
Only 2 groups would know how long I live when I log in, BoB and ASCN, and you are in a noob corp, ALT-BOY..post with your main, or stfu.
At least those BoB that have posted, using their BoB characters, are showing to be a good sport in general, so if you are a BoB alt, you are making them look bad.
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LadyAmarus
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:03:00 -
[205]
Cyvok , I don't know you at all exept as the man that was leading a great alliance for a long time.
Tho these past few months may have been hard on you , I wish you the best of luck in whatever comes your way , be it in RL or in EVE or any other game.
No matter what some people say
All in all 99% of the EVE community respects you for what you have done.
and the all the people trying to make this into a flame fest , pls behave yourself
especially that idiotic BOB poster above.
Don't disgrace your leaders , corp , alliance by making such post.
Keep it clean en nice.
Cyvok was an important part of EVE
*dun reply to this post or even try to flamebait me cuz I dun read forums apart from important notes such as this*
Sincerely
LordAmarus
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:05:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 13/12/2006 22:47:53
This is mad.
First, why isn't this in OoPE?
Seriously, I don't care about CYVOK's real life. It has no place here at all.
I am sure he is a great guy in rl, just like he is sure I am a 14yr old, quakeplaying, social misfit, who has to cheat at games to help forget I live in my mom's basement.
It has nothing to do with the game, or the characters. Why was it included in the post?
Next.
CYVOK (who is just a character in a game remember) was not a nice person. Look at the accusations he threw at anyone who did better than him, be it G, or BoB, or whoever.
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
Onwards.
The spite and mallice of Eve is offending him?
Riiiiight.
Because CYVOK was ever the diplomat, wasn't he?
Oh, no .. actually it would seem he was one of the worst offenders, oh the irony!
Petition much?
"Your rattle leaves the pram, wrecking the floor for tantrum damage".
Seriously, WTF!?!
So you lost a ship to a noobie mistake?
We've all done it - I fell asleep and lost a HAC at a gate during this war, and I got ribbed for it for a while. Did I make up some crazy bug and petition it? Or lie to my corp and alliance to cover up my own stupidity?
Of course not, why would I?
Sure a Titan is a bit more of an investment than a HAC, but it is useless anyway right, so what's the big deal?
BoB got what they want, why moan?
Well, there is a big difference between wanting to beat someone in-game and wanting to force them out of it.
I don't think anyone in BoB actually wants to force anyone in Eve out of the game, just out of their (our) space.
If you can't see the difference then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
This whole saga in the history of Eve has seen the bluring of "in game" and "out of game" in a way that I find disturbing.
Now ASCN would have you believe that it is BoB that are responsible for this, but I think otherwise. ASCN have repeatedly purposefully played that angle in their posts, and by doing so have created the monster they now complain about.
Lastly:
As the player behind the character was mentioned in the OP, I will say this to him:
I honestly hope this break helps restore you enjoyment of Eve.
If the day ever comes that we meet in a bar, the first drink is on me.
I feel absolutely no ill feeling towards you as a person. Anything your character might have said or implied I can accept and forgive. Eve as a game can be a huge investment of not only time but emotion, and it can affect us in ways we would rather it didn't.
We are not our avatars (no pun intended).
To be honest with you, if you were that 14 year old (insert rest here) mentioned, I would be extremely envious....
How many of us older people would love to be that young again?
And yeah, once again, it is a game guys which I am pretty certain that you were purveying with the rest of your response....
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:06:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 13/12/2006 22:56:08
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 13/12/2006 20:08:51
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
It is funny seeing the hypocrisy of other ascn members here honestly. Ws it not cyvok that called bob and aaa memebrs losers and drags on society? So, because he loses his titan and has an emo fit the whole community is suppose to foget what bad things he said and did?
If I were you I wouldnt go around acting like you are the innocents here. If you want to take the time to thank him for what hes done that is fine. He did a lot for the people that played with him. But, he also made a lot of enemies by making out of game insults at a lot of players. You're lucky a lot of the communtiy he has insulted horribly have the respect for the eve community and for their corp/alliance and dont have at it here.
post with your main alt-boy
It is my main artard. If you could login and stay alive long enough you could see that...
ASCN is doomed to fail because you to this very dy continue to blame everyone but yourselves. So go and have your emo fit too.
are you are admitting you are a BoB alt??
Only 2 groups would know how long I live when I log in, BoB and ASCN, and you are in a noob corp, ALT-BOY..post with your main, or stfu.
At least those BoB that have posted, using their BoB characters, are showing to be a good sport in general, so if you are a BoB alt, you are making them look bad.
First off, I am not in a noob corp. Second of all I am between corps atm. Third, if I was a bob alt I'd be in your corp looking to steal another outpost off your alliance.
I dont like ascn since the time I was in huzzah. I could careless about bob, but as long as they are killing you I will wear my pompoms.
As usual for your rabble, you attack the messenger instead of the message. Cyvok and your whole HC (lol) have tossed rl insults, slander, libel and outright lies out to explain their shortcomings istead of realising it was them. Do you think aaa and bob beat you because ccp helps them and/or lets them cheat? Are you as paranoid and delusional as your hc? Its funny that you cant see that now but when you are in kisogo running missions with your mentor you might reflect. Instead of fixing his mistakes he took his ball and deflated ego and left. You must be proud.
I wont hold my breath though.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:13:00 -
[208]
Cyvok.. there is one thing I will always remember. The very first time I FC'd an ASCN fleet was on a system lockdown for an egg. My bloody corpmates volunteered me as a jibe but I took it anyways. I had just finished getting everyone settled and then I looked in TS and typed in corp chat "Crap, Cyvok is in my gang.. I bet I look like a bloody idjit"
Then myself, the other FC and C yvok were all in private convo keeping intel going and I thought "Wow, for the alliance leader he's a good guy".
You put a ton of effort into the alliance and made it a living breathing entity. I say take a rest if you must, step back and enjoy real life. But come back and enjoy the game again when you can!
Respect
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VinLieger
Caldari
The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:13:00 -
[209]
Sad to see Cyvok leave one of the best alliance leaders there was imo and i dont care what anyone says or whatever facts they spew out
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Alfragide
Nova Lusitania
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:17:00 -
[210]
Cyvok is a char.
U are a person.
All Eve can doubt my char, attack it etc, but never me.
Best wishes in RL and for the good and the bad ur part of Eve Comunity and History.
More then many of us will ever achieve.
Hope u come back to UR game soon enough.
Respect.
AvT Nova LusitGnia |
Riddlock
Minmatar
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:28:00 -
[211]
TBH , the only thing that sadness me is that i see alot of sheeps that now finnaly have the reason to bail
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:41:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Blacklight
CYVOK acheived a lot as leader of ASCN and there's no taking that away from him.
I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and it sounds like that's where his focus needs to be at the moment.
Good luck and all the best to him.
Best BoB post I ever did read.
QFT.
Good luck Cyvok, I was in ASCN for a very short time but I witnessed a station being erected. That shows the frequency of the expansion of ASCN. You'll be missed, I'm sure. You've impacted hugely on EVE.
Congratulations on a successful career. Best of luck.
Izo Azlion.
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Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:52:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Altar Mei
I don't really understand this move, surely if there was someone better for the job they would have already stepped up to the plate? Though I've seen leadership take its tole on leaders of corps and alliances, I'm sure having to read all the slanders from the bob mouthbreathers didn't help.
Goodluck Cyvok.
Um, CYVOK isn't getting replaced or forced out - he's completely leaving EVE of his own free will.
Enjoy your break CYVOK, you deserve it. Some may flame you for negative things you've said recently, I think they should be willing to forgive you. Stress changes even good people for the worse. I remember back in 2004ish shortly before I quite EVE for two years, I wound up saying a lot of things I'm not proud of to corpmates because of the stress I was under.
You've made your lasting mark on EVE, you deserve a (potentially permanent) vacation. Others have said they expect you to come back eventually, as someone who quit EVE while in a major corp/alliance (Xanadu in FA back in their prime before many Xanadu members including myself burned out and left the game) and came back after two years, I have the following advice:
When you come back, take it easy. Enjoy the game without all the stress, carebear a bit even! :) Stay away from getting heavily involved in another alliance, you've made your lasting mark on the game and if you return, you deserve to enjoy it with a minimal amount of stress.
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Ezra Cornell
pe0n, Calista Industries |
inara reynolds
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:01:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Shardrael
.. get a firm grip on reality you seem to have lost it.
Not so.
I once was a CEO of a 50 man corp. Let's see 50 ppl and 4000+ ppl. Hmm. Is it 10 times harder to run? Is it 800 times harder? I think it's more like exp(800) times harder. Like everything in RL and in Eve is exponential. Can I say what Cyvok's life was like? Hell no. What I can do is to appreciate magnitude of his pressure from friends and foes alike. If you never been a CEO of at least 20 ppl, you will have very weak understanding of what hell it is to be in charge.
Cyvok's loss of a titan was the last thing that pushed him over the brink. Years of pressure building manifested itself in abrupt resignation. I agree with one of my corp mates (yeah, alt, not Inara), who said that Cyvok lost his titan to a bug. If he simply ****** up he would have admited that. I believe ppl at the level of Cyvok. You simply learn to trust ppl like that when they say it.
I do believe that Eve is in the beginning of a long and unprecendented phenomenon of human relationships. I heard "it's just a game". Ok, treat it like a game. I do not. It is far more than a game for me. It is a simulator of humanity on a large scale.
Now, why do I say that it is supposed to be worse than RL? When a cyvok comes to Eve it is to build empires, to be benevolent ruler of its own ppl and to be ruthless murderer of it's enemies. Eve reflects this part of RL. And exactly like in real life this brings full spectrum of human emotions. Strongest one of them is hate. Not love, despite what Tolstoy was trying to convince us in. Maybe some day we will get there, not so for the forseable 1000 years. Turn on any news site or TV news channel, you can't possibly argue with the assertion.
Well, it's worse than that. Eve allows us to be thrown back in the settings when all democratic or other modern society rules and laws are simply removed. This brings freaking havoc to human relationships. Ppl become far more like animals than ppl that we know from present times. I am expecting hate and other prime emotions to play huge role in establishing the landscape of future Eve.
The vacuum has formed with Cyvok's departure. It will get filled. The drama will unfold. That's not me doing "hate propaganda". That's an obesrvation. Cyvok gave up. Other ppl will come who will not give up. There are very few true empire leaders. They give up only upon their death. I dream of times when this happens. Not yet.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente
Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:02:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Good luck Cyvok. I don't blame you a bit for getting out while the gettings good. This game is on a downward spiral. While it lasts you will have a huge place in it's history for all you've accomplished.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente
Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:09:00 -
[216]
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 13/12/2006 16:35:01
Originally by: Gungankllr
I say in the darkest times, light shines the brightest.
Fair winds and following seas, my friend.
uuuwwaaaawaaaawaaaa.... you almost made me cry ....
It's always easier to run away from trouble rather than face it as a man, isnt it?
You sir are the reason this game will die. Obviously your parents never taught you how to be decent to others. Please leave the game and come back when you grow up.
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:11:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:14:57
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Although I dont necessarily agree with the post you quoted you and everyone else saying that Eve is any differnt now need a reality check. Do some research about the TTI wars a few months after the game went live. Ragnar and Jade's drama make this seem absolutly sedate in comparison. So please, stop with the drama about Eve and its ethics or lack there of if you don't have your history straight. Just because you or others you know or associate with are currently depressed with your place in Eve doesn't mean anything to the greater scope of the Eve cluster.
Just saw your same doom&gloom post directed at another poster. You seriously need to give it a rest. Eve has continued to grow year after year. If you had said that pre-caster (when the game really was declining) you might have had a point. You need to get a grip seriously man.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente
Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:12:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Leverton
Originally by: Qual
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
Can we PLEASE keep this civil and show respect to a great person?
Hey, he started. I wasn't the one saying that eve (implicitly its community) was degrading. I would have let it go if Gungan didn't reapeat it. The comunity does not deserve that kind of low shots. So sorry, no respect until the comunity gets an appollogy really... (From Gungan will do...)
You are the one who needs to apologise to the community. You are a prime example of how the community is in a death spiral.
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Galimiy Portret
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:13:00 -
[219]
o7 o/
...now in RED |
Megadon
Caldari
Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:23:00 -
[220]
- Built and led the largest alliance in Eve
- One of the first to pilot the most expensive and deadliest weapons in Eve
- Led forces in one of the most epic conflicts in Eve
That's just 3 things and that is just huge.
I have no idea who Cyvok is, but the game will not be the same with him gone.
A sad day. Good luck.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente
Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:24:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 13/12/2006 22:47:53
This is mad.
First, why isn't this in OoPE?
Seriously, I don't care about CYVOK's real life. It has no place here at all.
I am sure he is a great guy in rl, just like he is sure I am a 14yr old, quakeplaying, social misfit, who has to cheat at games to help forget I live in my mom's basement.
It has nothing to do with the game, or the characters. Why was it included in the post?
Next.
CYVOK (who is just a character in a game remember) was not a nice person. Look at the accusations he threw at anyone who did better than him, be it G, or BoB, or whoever.
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
Onwards.
The spite and mallice of Eve is offending him?
Riiiiight.
Because CYVOK was ever the diplomat, wasn't he?
Oh, no .. actually it would seem he was one of the worst offenders, oh the irony!
Petition much?
"Your rattle leaves the pram, wrecking the floor for tantrum damage".
Seriously, WTF!?!
So you lost a ship to a noobie mistake?
We've all done it - I fell asleep and lost a HAC at a gate during this war, and I got ribbed for it for a while. Did I make up some crazy bug and petition it? Or lie to my corp and alliance to cover up my own stupidity?
Of course not, why would I?
Sure a Titan is a bit more of an investment than a HAC, but it is useless anyway right, so what's the big deal?
BoB got what they want, why moan?
Well, there is a big difference between wanting to beat someone in-game and wanting to force them out of it.
I don't think anyone in BoB actually wants to force anyone in Eve out of the game, just out of their (our) space.
If you can't see the difference then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
This whole saga in the history of Eve has seen the bluring of "in game" and "out of game" in a way that I find disturbing.
Now ASCN would have you believe that it is BoB that are responsible for this, but I think otherwise. ASCN have repeatedly purposefully played that angle in their posts, and by doing so have created the monster they now complain about.
Lastly:
As the player behind the character was mentioned in the OP, I will say this to him:
I honestly hope this break helps restore you enjoyment of Eve.
If the day ever comes that we meet in a bar, the first drink is on me.
I feel absolutely no ill feeling towards you as a person. Anything your character might have said or implied I can accept and forgive. Eve as a game can be a huge investment of not only time but emotion, and it can affect us in ways we would rather it didn't.
We are not our avatars (no pun intended).
Avon you always have been one of the biggest *******s in this game who are incapable of thinking of anyone but themselves. Try and deflate your ego for once. It's people like you that have dragged this game and forums into the cesspit it has become.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente
Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:28:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:14:57
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Although I dont necessarily agree with the post you quoted you and everyone else saying that Eve is any differnt now need a reality check. Do some research about the TTI wars a few months after the game went live. Ragnar and Jade's drama make this seem absolutly sedate in comparison. So please, stop with the drama about Eve and its ethics or lack there of if you don't have your history straight. Just because you or others you know or associate with are currently depressed with your place in Eve doesn't mean anything to the greater scope of the Eve cluster.
Just saw your same doom&gloom post directed at another poster. You seriously need to give it a rest. Eve has continued to grow year after year. If you had said that pre-caster (when the game really was declining) you might have had a point. You need to get a grip seriously man.
The game growing does not equate to it getting better. Look how many people play WOW. Do you consider that the best game out there? I am not talking about the death of eve. I am talking about the death of what the game once was.
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:39:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:39:31
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:14:57
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Although I dont necessarily agree with the post you quoted you and everyone else saying that Eve is any differnt now need a reality check. Do some research about the TTI wars a few months after the game went live. Ragnar and Jade's drama make this seem absolutly sedate in comparison. So please, stop with the drama about Eve and its ethics or lack there of if you don't have your history straight. Just because you or others you know or associate with are currently depressed with your place in Eve doesn't mean anything to the greater scope of the Eve cluster.
Just saw your same doom&gloom post directed at another poster. You seriously need to give it a rest. Eve has continued to grow year after year. If you had said that pre-caster (when the game really was declining) you might have had a point. You need to get a grip seriously man.
The game growing does not equate to it getting better. Look how many people play WOW. Do you consider that the best game out there? I am not talking about the death of eve. I am talking about the death of what the game once was.
Yes, and my point is that is your skewed prospective of the situation. During the TTI wars Ragnar actualy was going to sue CCP for a report of the war. It is the same thing as what is happening now. Tbh, you're as bad as worse than those you dispise. Running around screaming the sky is fallig doesn't make it so.
Add: Also, you seem pretty keen on personal insults which is suppose (in your warped reality) to be what is wrong with things in Eve. So, you are what you hate. Congradulations are in order...
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Helen
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:45:00 -
[224]
Derailed before this thread hit 10 pages wow.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:48:00 -
[225]
People please. You are all, of course, free to voice your opinion. I would hope however that you could all do so in a civil and polite manner.
If you can't do that, at the very least, just say a "good luck in the future" and leave it at that leaving the flames for other threads.
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:50:00 -
[226]
I was in ASCN for a period of about 5 months of my Eve playing career in in that time I saw and did things I had no been able to in the whole of my Eve playing previous to that... my days with ASCN will always be memorable to me... I wish you all the best with what the future holds for you Cyvok RL is greater than Eve anyday we just need to be reminded of that sometimes.
Ant to Virt all the best with the future mate whatever that brings for you.
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Megadon
Caldari
Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:50:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:39:31
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:14:57
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Although I dont necessarily agree with the post you quoted you and everyone else saying that Eve is any differnt now need a reality check. Do some research about the TTI wars a few months after the game went live. Ragnar and Jade's drama make this seem absolutly sedate in comparison. So please, stop with the drama about Eve and its ethics or lack there of if you don't have your history straight. Just because you or others you know or associate with are currently depressed with your place in Eve doesn't mean anything to the greater scope of the Eve cluster.
Just saw your same doom&gloom post directed at another poster. You seriously need to give it a rest. Eve has continued to grow year after year. If you had said that pre-caster (when the game really was declining) you might have had a point. You need to get a grip seriously man.
The game growing does not equate to it getting better. Look how many people play WOW. Do you consider that the best game out there? I am not talking about the death of eve. I am talking about the death of what the game once was.
Yes, and my point is that is your skewed prospective of the situation. During the TTI wars Ragnar actualy was going to sue CCP for a report of the war. It is the same thing as what is happening now. Tbh, you're as bad as worse than those you dispise. Running around screaming the sky is fallig doesn't make it so.
Add: Also, you seem pretty keen on personal insults which is suppose (in your warped reality) to be what is wrong with things in Eve. So, you are what you hate. Congradulations are in order...
You and Avon both are just making yourselves look like the biggest asses and you are not doing your alliance any favors at all in the community. You both really need to stfu.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:52:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Avon
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
For an alliance to be destroyed, it must first have been built.
Is it really so wrong to acknowledge the rise *alongside* the fall?
/Ben
How to fix Eve |
Lord Draco
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:58:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Megadon
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:39:31
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Lord Draco
Edited by: Lord Draco on 14/12/2006 00:14:57
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Rennard
So ASCN lost the war, before the war i am sure he had no reasons in mind to leave EVE. This war and the shame of losing a titan written in eve history made him leave, gg BOB.
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK. So if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere. Otherwise don`t create an alliance if you are not prepared to dedicate your entire life to the game, because its too much time consuming. It`s same in EVERY GAME that has LARGE GUILDS...
Period, don`t try to find excuses...
You need to shut your hole. People like you are why this game has gone into the toilet.
Although I dont necessarily agree with the post you quoted you and everyone else saying that Eve is any differnt now need a reality check. Do some research about the TTI wars a few months after the game went live. Ragnar and Jade's drama make this seem absolutly sedate in comparison. So please, stop with the drama about Eve and its ethics or lack there of if you don't have your history straight. Just because you or others you know or associate with are currently depressed with your place in Eve doesn't mean anything to the greater scope of the Eve cluster.
Just saw your same doom&gloom post directed at another poster. You seriously need to give it a rest. Eve has continued to grow year after year. If you had said that pre-caster (when the game really was declining) you might have had a point. You need to get a grip seriously man.
The game growing does not equate to it getting better. Look how many people play WOW. Do you consider that the best game out there? I am not talking about the death of eve. I am talking about the death of what the game once was.
Yes, and my point is that is your skewed prospective of the situation. During the TTI wars Ragnar actualy was going to sue CCP for a report of the war. It is the same thing as what is happening now. Tbh, you're as bad as worse than those you dispise. Running around screaming the sky is fallig doesn't make it so.
Add: Also, you seem pretty keen on personal insults which is suppose (in your warped reality) to be what is wrong with things in Eve. So, you are what you hate. Congradulations are in order...
You and Avon both are just making yourselves look like the biggest asses and you are not doing your alliance any favors at all in the community. You both really need to stfu.
How so, because I don't think Eve is in a 'down-ward spiral of death'?
Yeah....
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Ikthorn Balhar
Caldari
Aequitas Hominis
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:43:00 -
[230]
As a member of just another tiny corporation in this massive gaming community, my opinion may have little or no weight in this forum, and these are just my personal observations.
The ASCN-BOB conflict has been riveting, and regardless of the outcome, it is a perfect example of the richness and depth that can exist only in a game like EvE. However, EvE is just as good as those who're playing it, and I have yet to find any other community with characters like SirMolle, Blacklight, Cyvok, etc.
They're the ones that make this game shine, and for that, you'll always have my thanks.
I wish CYVOK the best in his endeavors, be it on EvE or in any other venue of his choosing. His accomplishments speak for themselves, and while the unfortunate events that transpired recently may have contributed to his decision and will forever be associated with him, we should not forget that it was his vision (as well as the rest of ASCN's HC) that brought this game so many achievements.
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Intensive Care
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:54:00 -
[231]
Im just a little nobody in the big universe of EVE and thank god for that. I dont know much about whats going on outside what i read on the forum.
But what i know from other MMO experiences is that without people to step up and organize corps/guild/clans or whatever you want to call it, MMO games would be a sad place to live in.
So thank you CYVOK (and all other organizers around) for collecting us other mindless sheeps together.
From what i have read CYVOK have kept ****loads of players busy, so he get big respect from me.
Time heals all wounds so i guess you come back one day :)
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Leno
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:07:00 -
[232]
There is a typo where it says Virtuozzo is taking over, i believe it should say Leno. That's ok we all make mistakes
Just not twice or else we get the hose again
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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BlackSabbath
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:11:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 13/12/2006 22:47:53
This is mad.
First, why isn't this in OoPE?
Seriously, I don't care about CYVOK's real life. It has no place here at all.
I am sure he is a great guy in rl, just like he is sure I am a 14yr old, quakeplaying, social misfit, who has to cheat at games to help forget I live in my mom's basement.
It has nothing to do with the game, or the characters. Why was it included in the post?
Next.
CYVOK (who is just a character in a game remember) was not a nice person. Look at the accusations he threw at anyone who did better than him, be it G, or BoB, or whoever.
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
Onwards.
The spite and mallice of Eve is offending him?
Riiiiight.
Because CYVOK was ever the diplomat, wasn't he?
Oh, no .. actually it would seem he was one of the worst offenders, oh the irony!
Petition much?
"Your rattle leaves the pram, wrecking the floor for tantrum damage".
Seriously, WTF!?!
So you lost a ship to a noobie mistake?
We've all done it - I fell asleep and lost a HAC at a gate during this war, and I got ribbed for it for a while. Did I make up some crazy bug and petition it? Or lie to my corp and alliance to cover up my own stupidity?
Of course not, why would I?
Sure a Titan is a bit more of an investment than a HAC, but it is useless anyway right, so what's the big deal?
BoB got what they want, why moan?
Well, there is a big difference between wanting to beat someone in-game and wanting to force them out of it.
I don't think anyone in BoB actually wants to force anyone in Eve out of the game, just out of their (our) space.
If you can't see the difference then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
This whole saga in the history of Eve has seen the bluring of "in game" and "out of game" in a way that I find disturbing.
Now ASCN would have you believe that it is BoB that are responsible for this, but I think otherwise. ASCN have repeatedly purposefully played that angle in their posts, and by doing so have created the monster they now complain about.
Lastly:
As the player behind the character was mentioned in the OP, I will say this to him:
I honestly hope this break helps restore you enjoyment of Eve.
If the day ever comes that we meet in a bar, the first drink is on me.
I feel absolutely no ill feeling towards you as a person. Anything your character might have said or implied I can accept and forgive. Eve as a game can be a huge investment of not only time but emotion, and it can affect us in ways we would rather it didn't.
We are not our avatars (no pun intended).
i see lots of letters but the words dont mean $#!t
go troll on some other forum.
only people caring when you leave will be you and 2 of your alts
CYVOK FOR DEV!!!
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"i am only here to **** you off" |
Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:32:00 -
[234]
Edited by: Avon on 14/12/2006 02:35:56
Originally by: BlackSabbath
i see lots of letters but the words dont mean $#!t
go troll on some other forum.
only people caring when you leave will be you and 2 of your alts
CYVOK FOR DEV!!!
Is that aimed at me personally, or at my character?
I am still able to seperate the two, just as I did in my post on CYVOK, are you?
Either you don't agree with my views, or you didn't understand my post - no matter which it is, it does not make your opinion any more valid than mine.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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LiquidSteele
Dragons Of Redemption
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:33:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Pesadel0
....EVE was always "mean" how do you think Tribal souls felt when you (ascn) destroyed their homes?
....That is eve nothing bad or good it is EVE.
QFT
Cya CYVOK
Sincerly,
LS |
Bawldeux IV
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:44:00 -
[236]
oh the flames, looky at the flames...
Originally by: Afonso Henriques
As usual for your rabble, you attack the messenger instead of the message. Cyvok and your whole HC (lol) have tossed rl insults, slander, libel and outright lies out to explain their shortcomings istead of realising it was them. Do you think aaa and bob beat you because ccp helps them and/or lets them cheat? Are you as paranoid and delusional as your hc? Its funny that you cant see that now but when you are in kisogo running missions with your mentor you might reflect. Instead of fixing his mistakes he took his ball and deflated ego and left. You must be proud.
I wont hold my breath though.
BoB is playing the game, you are just being an arse with a finger in his ear acting like little kid, taunting others, trying to be mean with your little taunts while sitting safe in empire, in an npc corp.
You're the type Cyvok was talking about, and I agree with him. There are far too many of your type allowed to stay. eve would be better off without your type.
...at least BoB knows that there is a difference between RP and RL, something you can't seem to grasp.
btw, gf's to those BoB that keep killing me in azn. I rarely post, because i hate to read the eo forums, due to the childish crap that it is full of, so taking this spot to say so.
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Powdder
CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:03:00 -
[237]
complete respect cyvok. Leadership at its finest anywhere, RL or not. later brotha
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DonTrump
Minmatar
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:43:00 -
[238]
True visionary. Thanks for the time you spent.
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Kaell Meynn
Divergence
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:44:00 -
[239]
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 14/12/2006 03:46:20
Originally by: Avon
Is that aimed at me personally, or at my character?
I am still able to seperate the two, just as I did in my post on CYVOK, are you?
My guess is at you, not your character.
See, this isnt an IC only forum, and this isn't a strict RPG, I'd guesstimate well over 99% of players in Eve dont roleplay, so if anything, I'd say it's a strict NON-RPG. 'Roleplaying' at people who are not roleplaying doesn't mean you're not an ass. You roleplay with roleplayers, who accept that they're roleplaying, not at people who have no interest in roleplaying.
Similarly I wouldnt call someones mother a ***** while playing Unreal Tournament, with the unspoken excuse that I'm roleplaying (like it seems all 'roleplayers' do, I'd be roleplaying a ****, on all my characters, at all times, of course).
This is not an IC RPG. Far from it. If you want to roleplay, do it with other roleplayers.
EDIT: Oh, and respect for what you've accomplished Cyvok. You'll have to write up a story or something sometime. A history of things past from your PoV or something.
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ApophisXP
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 03:51:00 -
[240]
Respect.
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pumkinlumpkin
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:37:00 -
[241]
cyvok you was the man. You was my ceo for a year and half. and aliance leader for 2+ years. I sometimes didnt agree with ya but I was the one blind, and You had the vision. You will always have you mark in eve and the hearts of you alliance and foe. Hope that you find what your looking for.
/bows to a setting sun.
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:57:00 -
[242]
so does this mean the war is over or is bob going to keep going till all of acsn space is gone?
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente
Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 05:08:00 -
[243]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Dark day for me, Cyvok was the reason my corp is in ASCN. i wont sing his praise anymore as i have done that in other threads but i do agree on one thing....the HATE
Everyone goes too far....
Eve is a good game becuase it does inspire you to get deeply involved, but it goes too far....
We all get angry and want to try to get advantage on others....but it goes too far....
Look at any eve-o post and see how much hate and anger there is in this game. goto a random eve general discussion section and see "CCP SUCK GIVE ME THIS ETC"
goto the sell forum and find the usual "OMG LOL AT YOU NUB SO AND SO DONT SELL FOR THAT"
Were all a bunch of emotional car wrecks - we get angry at entertainment, we say abuse and hate to each other....
Look at how much hate went into the ascn-bob war posts for the last 3 months....pick one...see? is that healthy competition? no its mindgames and is sociopaths on soapboxes. (on both sides)
You all see the char name and see the ticker and that evokes a emotional reaction "i like him" or "i hate him" and something else clicks that says "im gonna be an ******* to him" or "i agree with him yarrr"
If people want to win wars they should do it in game and leave this forum clear because after 3 months of warring posts i honestly dont think i like the eve community anymore.
At evefest i spoke with people from all the alliances in eve, top people who were so cool and nice and i did have to wonder "are these the same people that i saw write this and that?" if anyone spoke to me like i have been spoken to in these forums at the fest, Rekyavik hospital would be busy and that is my point! keyboard warriors! nice and safe saying outlandish stuff when your anonymous isnt it? were all civilised yet we can act like animals cos CCP let us get away with it! and i know i cant be found so that angry person cant harm me....
Unless something changes it will get worse. Alliances will use constant mind games of the forums as a weapon and the gaming press will continue to think of eve as "specialists only" while it dwindles into obscurity as a middle of the road MMORG. what do you think new players to the game thing of it when they come into this forum?
CCPs playground concept doesnt work when you allow total free reign to a certain behaviour.
Rant over
CEO Pyrex
QFT and signed 
CYV0K, if you change your mind I'll personally donate three days of my time to mining mins for "Steve II"
Best wishes, enjoy Christmas. Reevaluate things after the new year.
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Gallente need ONE ship with an ecm bonus option. JUST ONE. |
Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 05:57:00 -
[244]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Dark day for me, Cyvok was the reason my corp is in ASCN. i wont sing his praise anymore as i have done that in other threads but i do agree on one thing....the HATE
Everyone goes too far....
Eve is a good game becuase it does inspire you to get deeply involved, but it goes too far....
We all get angry and want to try to get advantage on others....but it goes too far....
Look at any eve-o post and see how much hate and anger there is in this game. goto a random eve general discussion section and see "CCP SUCK GIVE ME THIS ETC"
goto the sell forum and find the usual "OMG LOL AT YOU NUB SO AND SO DONT SELL FOR THAT"
Were all a bunch of emotional car wrecks - we get angry at entertainment, we say abuse and hate to each other....
Look at how much hate went into the ascn-bob war posts for the last 3 months....pick one...see? is that healthy competition? no its mindgames and is sociopaths on soapboxes. (on both sides)
You all see the char name and see the ticker and that evokes a emotional reaction "i like him" or "i hate him" and something else clicks that says "im gonna be an ******* to him" or "i agree with him yarrr"
If people want to win wars they should do it in game and leave this forum clear because after 3 months of warring posts i honestly dont think i like the eve community anymore.
At evefest i spoke with people from all the alliances in eve, top people who were so cool and nice and i did have to wonder "are these the same people that i saw write this and that?" if anyone spoke to me like i have been spoken to in these forums at the fest, Rekyavik hospital would be busy and that is my point! keyboard warriors! nice and safe saying outlandish stuff when your anonymous isnt it? were all civilised yet we can act like animals cos CCP let us get away with it! and i know i cant be found so that angry person cant harm me....
Unless something changes it will get worse. Alliances will use constant mind games of the forums as a weapon and the gaming press will continue to think of eve as "specialists only" while it dwindles into obscurity as a middle of the road MMORG. what do you think new players to the game thing of it when they come into this forum?
CCPs playground concept doesnt work when you allow total free reign to a certain behaviour.
Rant over
CEO Pyrex
QFT and signed
CYV0K, if you change your mind I'll personally donate three days of my time to mining mins for "Steve II"
Best wishes, enjoy Christmas. Reevaluate things after the new year.
And you would mine 3 days for someone who managed to loose the Titan in such reckless, careless manner? who shows no appreciation for the work invested into getting it for him?
nothing to say really.. just amazing is ppl's stupidity
and Generally I agree with Avon.. too many people try to look at his good sides, rather than the bad.
What is it, did he die IRL?? lol..
Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it?
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darklegionca
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:11:00 -
[245]
Edited by: darklegionca on 14/12/2006 06:15:49
Edited by: darklegionca on 14/12/2006 06:13:31
now i have to retype my question cuz some mod thinks im an alt how lame
anyway now that cyvok is gone does this mean the war is over or is bob going to keep going till all of acsn space is gone
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darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
Rick Thwaites
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:22:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Stuff
more stuff
And you would mine 3 days for someone who managed to loose the Titan in such reckless, careless manner? who shows no appreciation for the work invested into getting it for him?
nothing to say really.. just amazing is ppl's stupidity
and Generally I agree with Avon.. too many people try to look at his good sides, rather than the bad.
What is it, did he die IRL?? lol..
Rather, too many people look at the bad.
You are an idiot if you think he is a 14 year old, living out of the basement. Or a quake player. In my year of playing EvE I have not seen anything immature. Sure he lied, and he twisted (manipulated) events to raise 'morale' but that was all ingame, and anyone of you had you lead an alliance would have done the same.
A lot of people don't realize how hard it would be to run a 5000 man alliance. He did the best he could. And as much as a lot of you don't like to believe it EVE and RL are closely related. Very closely. EVE is not a game you just leave at night, you wish your corpies nn, you sometimes meet up with them, you can go to fanfests, etc.
When a guy as influential as Cyvok was leaves, then it is damn right to have a post like this, my only wish is that it was Cyvok himself.
Although I guess with a lot of the people flaming someone who is leaving, I am not sure I would be able to take it! Let the guy be!
When a friend moves away and you throw a party you don't tell everyone that Jimmy Friend is a jackass, stupid, steals mentos from your mother's purse and smells funny. No, rather you say his good traits, he tried hard, he had fun, he played hard and did what he thought was right.
Sure he left his alliance in the dark about the Titan, but looking at all the spies in ASCN, I think it was damn right to in hindsight, otherwise there would have never been a Steve tolose, and this resignation would have come sooner.
Sorry my paragraphs are disjointed, don't flow properly or whatnot. But my point gets across, and some of you need to feel your head.
Disclaimer: My views represent my thoughts only, not those of my corp/alliance/mother's mentos in her purse/etc.
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Max sig dimensions are 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected])
Purple matches your eyes a little better, Catath. = )!
Not the first time I have been told I am too big... |
Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:24:00 -
[247]
CYVOK, Good luck in the real world dude. I couldn't live having as much responsibility as you had in a game. I'd want to have a real life too. Although when I think about it, if I had a titan I would be so scared to lose it that when I finally actually did lose it, it would be a relief. If I lost a titan and lived through it and triumphed, then I'd know I could live through anything. I don't think that many people would wish you ill will out of game unless their life truly IS the game. Their intent is generally to cause you problems in game. Nevertheless, enjoy the real world mate.
Teh Bulbasaur Wizard
PS: I don't know if you'll find a "nicer" community in another game like WOW. Here's a video of some people in WOW ganking everyone at a funeral for someone that died in real life. Yarr
PPS:I hope ISD doesn't mind my link to the WOW video... I'm only showing how much EVE roxors! yarr!
<3 to Cyvok forevah
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S |
Krystian
Caldari
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:02:00 -
[248]
Gl Cyvok. Take a much needed break. Cool down and comeback
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Temerlyn
Minmatar
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:14:00 -
[249]
The unfortunate thing about eve is it does take to much time to do anything that the casual player cannot realy achieve much.
My corps attrition rate is immense as i have players staying up way later than they need to to get anything done. They burn out and leave the corp or eve.
I only finished uni myself this year and not to long after finishing i have gotten a job in my prefered field. Now eve is not at the fore front and i can barely play a few hours at night and the weekends.
I have considered packing in eve for this reason, if it we're not for my corp i would of left ages ago. CCP needs to bring fun back into this game, not work.
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Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:21:00 -
[250]
All my best wishes go out to CYVOK.
I take pleasure in RP propaganda smashing ingame opponents, but respect shall be given when respect is called for.
Leading _any_ alliance requires you to quit RL I believe. It requires a lot of time and dedications.
Loosing any big toy hurts, I remember when we lost our first freighter, filled to the brim with goodies, our pilot who lost it felt extremely down too. I can only start to imaging how CYVOK must feel now.
But let us all not forget that this indeed is "just a game".
Some computer code Bits on an remote Icelandic server were shifted, but ingame- and rl-life goes on.
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gaz widdow
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:30:00 -
[251]
You may not have achived your own personal goals. But by anyone elses standards you bypassed them many times over.
You set a standard which every other Allience had to follow. I believe you will be missed not only by the eve community but by some in CCP.
GL in RL: CYVOK.
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Joskken Inx
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:43:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Troubadour
Reading all of the replies makes me want to puke. The guy builds up a huge alliance, even builds a titan, and ****es it all away, and that is something to be proud of? He quit because he failed his alliance in the face of the eve community. Instead of being real about it, he trashed those who defeated him and quit the game in a temper tantrum. And whatever about his real life issues. We all have RL to deal with, it doesn't make us quit eve on a whim like that. He quit eve because CCP won't give him his(ASCN's) Titan back for a mistake that was his own fault, not because of some real life emergency. It's always a little sad when a big name quits the game, even if you don't really like them. But let's get real people, we all know why he really left, and it's not for the reasons in this flowery press release.
While you've got your crystal ball that sees directly into other people's lives and can summarize oh-so-sweetly just how simple things really are (to you at least) can you tell me Saturday's Powerball numbers?
I apologize for dignifying your...post with a response, but apparently nothing but Eve matters to you and woe be any of us who see it otherwise. Whatever, this game pays the bills and cooks, cleans, shops, and does your laundry too eh?
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Ethan Kel
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:47:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 14/12/2006 08:50:23
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 14/12/2006 08:49:47
CYVOK
It is with great sorrow that The Merchant Marines bid you farewell.
We thank you humbly for all that you did for us and hope that whatever direction you take in RL or in other games that it provide you with all that you gave to every one else.
The Merchant Marines members march proud and tall and smartly salute, eyes right, as they pass in review on the parade grounds past the bleachers and podium where CYVOK is standing.
21 GUN SALUTE!!!!!
FIREWORKS LIGHT THE NIGHT THE SKY!!!
BOOM!
KRACKLE !
POP!
ADMIRALS ATTEND CEREMONIES !!!!
MILITARY PARADES PASS IN REVIEW !!!
THEN
A LONE BUGLE
PLAYS TAPS
EACH NOTE
CRISP AND CLEAR
SOFTLY FADING
AS THE SUN SLOWLY SETS IN THE WESTERN SKY
Fare well
old friend
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Ethan Kel
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:51:00 -
[254]
Edited by: Ethan Kel on 14/12/2006 08:51:21
repeat
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Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:52:00 -
[255]
Good luck to Cyvok in what what career path he chooses. Im sure people will be knocking your door down to recruit you.
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:00:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Edited by: Bawldeux IV on 13/12/2006 19:04:34
Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Leverton
Originally by: Qual
Its the new subtext of the ASCN propaganda: "EvE community is degrading. We lost be course CCP helps BoB and other cheating. EvE is ending and its all CCP's fault." Sorry, no, thats just not true. ASCN are getting slapped around be course of CYVOKs shortshightetness on behalf of his alliance. Its sad to see important players in eve hisotry leave, but I hate when they do it with a grand ***** you* to the comunity. Seeng the remaining ASCN people support that attitude annoys me.
Can we PLEASE keep this civil and show respect to a great person?
Hey, he started. I wasn't the one saying that eve (implicitly its community) was degrading. I would have let it go if Gungan didn't reapeat it. The comunity does not deserve that kind of low shots. So sorry, no respect until the comunity gets an appollogy really... (From Gungan will do...)
Well, based on the fact that the message was posted to our private forums, not public, and a CCP puppet did post the screeny from our private forums on a CCP forum, against the ccp forum rules, I think CCP is the one that should apologize...
as for your lame childish reasoning behind your flame...grow up.
Even BoB thought the CCP endorsed post was wrong, and are showing honor in the forums concerning this subject...so why can't you?
As you will notice by looking through the other thread, I DID let it go.
I won't THIS time as Gungan repeated the message HERE in THIS thread that IS NOT taken form you own boards but a PUBLIC message.
The only flame here is the one that Gungan tried to slip into an else pretty sane post. But thats what Gungan do: Post 90% sane stuff and add 10% propaganda. Be course MOST of it is sane, people tend to applaud it thus giving false credibility to the crap unless someone calls the bluff.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:01:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 13/12/2006 22:47:53
This is mad.
First, why isn't this in OoPE?
Seriously, I don't care about CYVOK's real life. It has no place here at all.
I am sure he is a great guy in rl, just like he is sure I am a 14yr old, quakeplaying, social misfit, who has to cheat at games to help forget I live in my mom's basement.
It has nothing to do with the game, or the characters. Why was it included in the post?
Next.
CYVOK (who is just a character in a game remember) was not a nice person. Look at the accusations he threw at anyone who did better than him, be it G, or BoB, or whoever.
Don't give me that "he built an alliance" stuff, because it is just focusing on the wrong end of it. I prefer "his paranoid delusions, insecurity, and lack of ability, directly contributed to the demise of Eve's largest alliance ... TWICE".
Onwards.
The spite and mallice of Eve is offending him?
Riiiiight.
Because CYVOK was ever the diplomat, wasn't he?
Oh, no .. actually it would seem he was one of the worst offenders, oh the irony!
Petition much?
"Your rattle leaves the pram, wrecking the floor for tantrum damage".
Seriously, WTF!?!
So you lost a ship to a noobie mistake?
We've all done it - I fell asleep and lost a HAC at a gate during this war, and I got ribbed for it for a while. Did I make up some crazy bug and petition it? Or lie to my corp and alliance to cover up my own stupidity?
Of course not, why would I?
Sure a Titan is a bit more of an investment than a HAC, but it is useless anyway right, so what's the big deal?
BoB got what they want, why moan?
Well, there is a big difference between wanting to beat someone in-game and wanting to force them out of it.
I don't think anyone in BoB actually wants to force anyone in Eve out of the game, just out of their (our) space.
If you can't see the difference then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
This whole saga in the history of Eve has seen the bluring of "in game" and "out of game" in a way that I find disturbing.
Now ASCN would have you believe that it is BoB that are responsible for this, but I think otherwise. ASCN have repeatedly purposefully played that angle in their posts, and by doing so have created the monster they now complain about.
Lastly:
As the player behind the character was mentioned in the OP, I will say this to him:
I honestly hope this break helps restore you enjoyment of Eve.
If the day ever comes that we meet in a bar, the first drink is on me.
I feel absolutely no ill feeling towards you as a person. Anything your character might have said or implied I can accept and forgive. Eve as a game can be a huge investment of not only time but emotion, and it can affect us in ways we would rather it didn't.
We are not our avatars (no pun intended).
QFT.
Pretty much says what i wanted to say,but couldnt express it with words.
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2006.12.14 10:39:00 -
[258]
Well, best of luck to Cyvok in whatever he goes onto. I'm sure he is a perfectly decent guy in real life. Just a shame he was a crap Titan pilot and alliance leader ingame .
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:01:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 14/12/2006 02:35:56
Originally by: BlackSabbath
i see lots of letters but the words dont mean $#!t
go troll on some other forum.
only people caring when you leave will be you and 2 of your alts
CYVOK FOR DEV!!!
Is that aimed at me personally, or at my character?
I am still able to seperate the two, just as I did in my post on CYVOK, are you?
Either you don't agree with my views, or you didn't understand my post - no matter which it is, it does not make your opinion any more valid than mine.
To my mind that is just an excuse to allow you to be insulting but at the time say "nah, I am a nice guy really".
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Muad'dib
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:16:00 -
[260]
From The Collective:
Farewell CYVOK
Muad'dib
CEO
The Collective
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Lorna Green
Lensmen
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:21:00 -
[261]
Cyvok,
Because of you, I have flown through a Titan jump portal. This was one of the moments when I realised why I play this game!
For that I will always be greatful.
GL in the future. I'm sure you'll get your Eve mojo back!
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Ironnight
Caldari
Bloody Needles
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Posted - 2006.12.14 12:09:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Ironnight on 14/12/2006 14:00:26
Edited by: Ironnight on 14/12/2006 12:09:31
Building an alliance the size of ASCN is impressive, salute.
Lets keep the talk of cheating and other slander out of this thread, if you have proof, post it in a new topic, if not just say notthing, thank you.
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adsfdsdsfsdf
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Posted - 2006.12.14 14:42:00 -
[263]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Marogian
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:11:00 -
[264]
CYVOK has earned my respect more than anyone else in any online game I've ever played.
I don't know what ASCN will be without him. If Virtuozzo can be even a small shadow of what CYVOK was he will be a great leader.
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:53:00 -
[265]
My personal opinions about ASCN aside CYVOK was as respectful as a conquerer can be when ASCN kicked Tribal Souls out of Paragon Soul. I had several conversations with him and he kept one of the station in Paragon Sould with the same name, a name that honored an alliance mate that we lost in real life. He gained a lot of respect from many of us for that.
In any case, good luck to ASCN, I think you will need it.
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KentachiSamurai
g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.14 15:58:00 -
[266]
Good luck CYVOK, your efforts will not be forgotton... |
Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 16:06:00 -
[267]
I definitely don't approve of many things cyvok said or did in the past. He has been an enemy in the current war, and I have no doubt he did his best to protect ASCN.
No matter what, putting together a major power such as ASCN requires skills and dedication and I respect that, even if I don't approve of the methods. Anybody denying the impact of Cyvok on this game needs to pince his nose and take a deep fart to clear his brain!
Farewell and good luck for whatever awaits you in the future.
Originally by: Radeberger
If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 16:12:00 -
[268]
I wish CYVOC good luck in the future. HeÆs a good guy and deserves to be recognized as a historic figure in EVE for all of his accomplishments.
That being said, letÆs not forget how ASCN was formed and let others learn from as to why itÆs failing at the moment.
Talking bad about ppl that allowed ASCN to exist was not a good idea. ATUK/DICE/BoB Lite FTW.
Leaders that are not on the front lines with their troops will always have hard time earning respect of their soldiers when the s**t hits the fan. During peace times, they might be great, but during war, they better be leading gangs/fleets if they expect their soldiers to unquestionably sacrifice themselves for their alliance. Dying for a paper leader is just not motivating enough in a long run.
Propaganda can bite you in the ass if itÆs not truthful or backed up with facts/proof. Spinning/lying to their members without any proof and then being called out on it in public will hurt more then motivate.
To the average ASCN soldier, good fighting you guys. All of you that are on the front lines deserve my outmost respect and you should be proud of your resilience and commitment. Keep it up. Win or lose, you guys are winners and are the reason why we log in to the game every day. See you in space.
The truth will set you free
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Ambre Blanche
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2006.12.14 16:13:00 -
[269]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
what do you think new players to the game thing of it when they come into this forum?
They are in dismay to say the least...
But to say the truth, the EVE Online forums are no worse than the WoW ones, or the ones of any other PvP games nowadays. They are just the playground of thousand of frustrated idiots who can safely vomit with a laughable spelling their ignorance and their disrespect to any target their tiny mind can grasp. They are not here to learn so they don't listen. They are not here to help either so they can wreck havoc over the hard work of the always too few decent players.
I was hopeful to be able to join one day or another an alliance such as Ascendant Frontier, because what is their objective is also mine, because I admire what they did and because this game shouldn't be the exclusive playground of PvPers and Griefers, whatever they say. Peaceful people should be able to build things in deep space, with no other purpose than to make it even more beautiful...
/bow Cyvok.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.14 17:02:00 -
[270]
Just a game in the same respect that football (soccer) is just a game. It drives our emotions and is a big part of our lives, responsible for many memories good and bad. I say to you "life is just a game, enjoying yourself is the objective."
All the best CYVOK matey o/
Gl Virt.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Olgzr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 17:39:00 -
[271]
Sad to see you go Cyvok. Your leaving will make Eve a lot less interesting. Can't say I blame you though and I am sure more than a few of us won't be far behind.
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 17:44:00 -
[272]
Good luck and best wishes Cyvok, hope everything turns out well for you.
He did build alot, out of nothing,and I think hell be back at some point.
Anyhow.. good luck in RL atm and hope to see you back Cy.
Temerlyn you old goat how are you?
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Helen
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.14 17:50:00 -
[273]
Edited by: Helen on 14/12/2006 17:50:21
Originally by: XirtamVotf
Temerlyn you old goat how are you?
Don't mention goats we just got him rehabed from his livestock addiction.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:33:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 14/12/2006 18:44:59
Originally by: Ambre Blanche
.... this game shouldn't be the exclusive playground of PvPers and Griefers, whatever they say. Peaceful people should be able to build things in deep space, with no other purpose than to make it even more beautiful...
Yes; you should able to build beautiful things in Space, but if you are looking for peaceful then you're in the wrong place. Equally, you should be able to defend the beautiful things you build. Yes: this place most defiantley should be the playground of PvPers, it's not SIMs on-line, its a cold hard universe, and nobody loves you. It was created specifically to be a playground for PvPers, be it throwing large rocks at each other or through industrial competition. There are a thousand ways to get round the greifers, and if you think this game has less/more greifers than other games then you need to pull your head out the sand.
Don't get the impression that ASCN are merely peaceful constructionists that wanted to build nice shiny stuff in deep space. They have stomped at least one region of equally 'peaceful' people that possed no real threat to them. Why? Same reason we do. Growth. As old 'empires' fall, new ones emerge or existing ones grow. It might happen to BoB one day, we might stay here until the servers power down. If it does happen to us, then i should imagine the newer force will well deserve it for spanking us silly.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |
Edenmain
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.14 19:34:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Rennard
You said "Imagine for a moment logging in and finding 75+ Private Messages, 40+ evemails and being hit with 15 conversations"
It happens with everyone not only CYVOK.
? Not me it doesnt
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Motorists R Us
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Posted - 2006.12.14 20:32:00 -
[276]
All Hail!!
I have great respect for this man, in my mind he has no equal
ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
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Leiron
Gallente
PharmaDyne Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.14 21:19:00 -
[277]
/Salute
Best of luck to you...
Thanks for bringing it, over and over...
Somehow this reminds me of the end of the movie - Master and Commander... Time will tell...
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Fornacis
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.14 22:11:00 -
[278]
Take a break, get RL sorted, and come back to Eve Cyvok. You are one of the big Gears that powers this EvE machine. I don't know you personally, but I was in Xetic, and even though I was one of 23433234 corps as someone put it...we all fought for you and the dream. I've read/heard too many great things about your achievements. The pioneers of EvE we don't need to lose.
Godspeed
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Audemed
Evisceration.
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.14 23:33:00 -
[279]
Farewell, Cyvok. Never met you outside of combat, but I wish you well in your future endeavors, and hope you can once again enjoy EVE despite the chore it had become in the alliance leadership position.
Just an interesting side note, is body count inc. going to be like a retiring home for alliance leaders? Hmm...
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente
Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.12.14 23:48:00 -
[280]
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 14/12/2006 23:50:13
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 14/12/2006 23:49:00
Originally by: Audrea
And you would mine 3 days for someone who managed to loose the Titan in such reckless, careless manner? who shows no appreciation for the work invested into getting it for him?
nothing to say really.. just amazing is ppl's stupidity
and Generally I agree with Avon.. too many people try to look at his good sides, rather than the bad.
What is it, did he die IRL?? lol..
*Shrugs*
**** happens, ships get blow up. You build new ships. Who cares. The fact that so many people drove that misstep into making him into the biggest idiot of the universe, is lame. And if I had a dime for every time I've seen someone on this (or a few other) forum have the inability to respectfully disagree, I'd own Tranquility by now.
The difference is, when I see fellow souls suffer a setback, I strive to be the one who helps them right themselves. That's just how I am. Ask many of the folks whom I've helped since I started playing. Oh wait you can't, most of them don't come in this forum. That, makes them smarter than me tbh. So seriously, and I do mean this, if anyone at ASCN has a "Steve II" project in the works to try to get the man to stay around, Evemail me, I'm in.
To those who think I am stupid, you have the right to feel that way. Silently. Have a nice day. :)
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Soulles
Caldari
Chaotic Rangers
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Posted - 2006.12.15 00:13:00 -
[281]
Quote "It was created specifically to be a playground for PvPers,"
Where is that stated at? The purpose of 0.0 is for Corps and or Alliances to build their own empire for what ever reason they see fit. Its there for players to make it what ever they wish.
Hats off to you Cyvok for building a empire created from a thought and the will of people to follow. Remember Its always darkest before the Dawn.
I myself have had the pleasure of leading very large guilds in other games and it can become more of a job than most can even imagine. The sole purpose of any game is for people to have fun, nothing more.
AKA.. Tambu
Krieton
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Soulles
Caldari
Chaotic Rangers
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Posted - 2006.12.15 00:14:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Soulles on 15/12/2006 00:14:19
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Man1ac
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.15 00:51:00 -
[283]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper
...
I do mean this, if anyone at ASCN has a "Steve II" project in the works to try to get the man to stay around, Evemail me, I'm in.
...
Nah, better build 50 dreads for that money, and give it let say to RA.
That would be the show for a loooong time
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Reiisha
Satal's Legion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.15 00:59:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Soulles
Quote "It was created specifically to be a playground for PvPers,"
Where is that stated at? The purpose of 0.0 is for Corps and or Alliances to build their own empire for what ever reason they see fit. Its there for players to make it what ever they wish.
Hats off to you Cyvok for building a empire created from a thought and the will of people to follow. Remember Its always darkest before the Dawn.
I myself have had the pleasure of leading very large guilds in other games and it can become more of a job than most can even imagine. The sole purpose of any game is for people to have fun, nothing more.
AKA.. Tambu
Krieton
There's a reason why people can attack you without consequences in 0.0, and they can even attack you in 1.0, if they accept the consequences. If EVE was a PvE game, this would not be possible, as you would not be able to lock onto people, because you might shoot them.
Also, even through those differences, if 0.0 was meant to be as 'safe' as 1.0, why isn't it actually "1.0"?
You accepted the risks and consequences when settling in any 0.0 region. If you want to be able to build anything in there you ahve to be ready and able to defend it, it's that simple, harsh as it may be.
EVE has been made around the concept of 'player driven content', and by definition that is PvP. Or you have to explain to me how players can make PvE content without breaking into CCP headquarters, coding the content and putting it on the server.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.15 01:14:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Soulles
Quote "It was created specifically to be a playground for PvPers,"
Where is that stated at?
Where is it stated that it isn't?
Originally by: Soulles
Its there for players to make it what ever they wish.
Very well said.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |
omni eye
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.15 01:28:00 -
[286]
Nothing but respects from me! Good luck in coming future. There is nothing but good coming for ASCN
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Xelphior
Caldari
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.12.15 01:45:00 -
[287]
there isnt a person in this game who doesnt know cyvok (unless hes nubins)thats an acheivement in itself, to receieve Recognition and respect from those you played against is another acheivement, in the end it doesnt matter how many outposts you built, it matters only that your name is recognised by 150 thousand people (an educated guess byt he amount of active accounts in eve) be shamed not for what has been lost, for it is small compared to the gain of recognitiona nd respect. GL in your future and may we see you again.
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Hurtt
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.15 02:23:00 -
[288]
Respect to Cyvok. Good luck, and remember this is just a game. Take this energy and your gift and take care of yourself with it.
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X ChaosX
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.15 02:45:00 -
[289]
I don't know Cyvok personally but sad to see him go. He did a great job leading ASCN imo.
If it was real life that made him leave, then I'm glad he has his priorities straight.
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
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JForce
N.W.A
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Posted - 2006.12.15 03:03:00 -
[290]
I've been thinking about this a bit since Cyvok's announcement to resign came out. And reading the tributes flooding in etc with interest.
Over the last year I grew to respect the leadership of ASCN for what they were able to build. It was incredibly impressive.
His behaviour during this war has been quite frankly incredibly childish. Make no mistake, BoB have also acted like children, but I lost all respect for Cyvok as a character and as a person when he claimed in his resignation that the titan loss was caused by a bug.
I'll state here and now that should it be found that it was actually a bug, and the titan is returned, I'll eat my own ****.
I can state that because like every single other person in Eve, I can see from all the information available (and there is a lot) that this was not caused by a bug.
To take your resignation, a moment where you could have walked away the bigger man, retaining some dignity, and to once again sink to the depths of baseless accusations, providing no explanation, no evidence, no theory, reveals you to be a somewhat sad fellow.
As a person, I wish you well. Hope you get back on your feet soon, and to be honest I think empire will be good for you....you can get back to ENJOYING Eve, instead of simply struggling to get through what would have been an administrative nightmare for sure.
Let me be clear: Cyvok's presence in Eve has made this game, this universe a much much better place. His accomplishments should be applauded.
However real heroes, indeed real leaders, admit their mistakes.
Good luck Cyvok, no doubt we shall see you again. |
Hysenthlay
Minmatar
The Merchant Marines
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:28:00 -
[291]
I am sure there be a nice quiet Gallente Pleasure hub filled with Exotic dancers you can retire to CYVOK.
Thanks for giving THEMM a hand when we were down on our luck.
/respect
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Kriger
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:36:00 -
[292]
Only know CYVOK by rep, but his accomplishments cannot be argued. While im sure his depature will boost alot of midget epeens out there (mainly among boob kids) CYVOK should know that some ppl respect him for what he did for the game and consider his depature a loss.
gl buddy.
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:54:00 -
[293]
Anyone have a link to the Cyvok post 'leaked' by spiral Junkie? It was bandwidth exceeded when I saw the post, and I've not seen another link to it yet.
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Vortex Freeman
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.15 16:00:00 -
[294]
CYVOK will be missed. He is the greatest leader in EVE I've ever seen. What ASCN has accomplished and built in 0.0 is to a great extent his work. To plan, organize and execute the construction of a infrastructure able to support a growing empire in 0.0 takes dedication, loyalty and the ability to stick it out when you hit the lows. CYVOK tied it all together and made it work. CYVOK also carry a sense of honor and morale I've rarely seen in EVE. What ASCN has built in 0.0 is second to no other alliance, that is fact.
CYVOK I salute you, continue to fly with honor, as you always have been.
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Ian Novarider
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.15 16:25:00 -
[295]
/me salutes CYVOK
Have fun in whatever you do next.
Ian
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Quote:
Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Mitawyn
Caldari
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.15 18:56:00 -
[296]
I have skimmed through and read with interest all 11 pages of this thread. Some hate him, some love him, nearly all respect him. I am and have been a member of ASCN for a longer period of time than I have any other alliance in eve. I had the honor of speaking to Cyvok on more than one occasion and found him to be a considerate,polite and helpful person.
I am here to say good luck to you Cyvok as you turn your endeavors to the trials of real life, and remember us in ASCN/Eve and all the many friends you made here. You had a vision and a dream for ASCN and I hope those of us left can somehow manage to make a small part of that happen. It will be difficult without you, but we shall try. Come back when and if you can, there will always be a place for a man of vision and character.
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Al'Gouhti
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.15 20:39:00 -
[297]
Captain, my captain.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 01:51:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Vortex Freeman
CYVOK will be missed. He is the greatest leader in EVE I've ever seen. What ASCN has accomplished and built in 0.0 is to a great extent his work. To plan, organize and execute the construction of a infrastructure able to support a growing empire in 0.0 takes dedication, loyalty and the ability to stick it out when you hit the lows. CYVOK tied it all together and made it work. CYVOK also carry a sense of honor and morale I've rarely seen in EVE. What ASCN has built in 0.0 is second to no other alliance, that is fact.
CYVOK I salute you, continue to fly with honor, as you always have been.
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 02:07:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Vortex Freeman
CYVOK will be missed. He is the greatest leader in EVE I've ever seen. What ASCN has accomplished and built in 0.0 is to a great extent his work. To plan, organize and execute the construction of a infrastructure able to support a growing empire in 0.0 takes dedication, loyalty and the ability to stick it out when you hit the lows. CYVOK tied it all together and made it work. CYVOK also carry a sense of honor and morale I've rarely seen in EVE. What ASCN has built in 0.0 is second to no other alliance, that is fact.
CYVOK I salute you, continue to fly with honor, as you always have been.
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
Wrong char?
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 02:38:00 -
[300]
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Vortex Freeman
CYVOK will be missed. He is the greatest leader in EVE I've ever seen. What ASCN has accomplished and built in 0.0 is to a great extent his work. To plan, organize and execute the construction of a infrastructure able to support a growing empire in 0.0 takes dedication, loyalty and the ability to stick it out when you hit the lows. CYVOK tied it all together and made it work. CYVOK also carry a sense of honor and morale I've rarely seen in EVE. What ASCN has built in 0.0 is second to no other alliance, that is fact.
CYVOK I salute you, continue to fly with honor, as you always have been.
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
Wrong char?
Nope. Just tired of the crap. The truth is meant to be set free. If you still beleive the old party line, I feel kind of sorry for you. Anyhow, it is just a game which is something a lot of us in the alliance lost sight of. Time to get back to having fun again....
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.16 03:36:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
I just gained a lot of respect for this dude. At last someone that refuses to blame losses on everything but their mistakes. It's was haxx, it was sploits, it was an 'un-discovered bug', it was lag, it was whaaaa, whaaa, whaaa.
If i loose chances are because i messed up, and i learn not to do it again. Well said LX. Pity Madeye doesn't see it this way. Although with these posts of yours i feel you are in-voluntarily going to moved onto bigger and better things. GL with that.
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Cassiuss
Minmatar
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 03:55:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
WTF are you talking about. Read his latest blog he clearly blames himself however its typically *unts like you that drive good leaders, FCs, pilots away.
CYVOK did a supurb job with this alliance, he deserves props for it not his fault cowards like you cant stand behind him. Run to empire we needn't your kind.
Anyhow, this isnt the place to air durty laundry. STFU nub and discuss it in alliance chat/forums if you have the stones.
Cassiuss, STK-S
Recruitment Officer
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 04:26:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Cassiuss
Originally by: Lord XSiV
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
WTF are you talking about. Read his latest blog he clearly blames himself however its typically *unts like you that drive good leaders, FCs, pilots away.
CYVOK did a supurb job with this alliance, he deserves props for it not his fault cowards like you cant stand behind him. Run to empire we needn't your kind.
Anyhow, this isnt the place to air durty laundry. STFU nub and discuss it in alliance chat/forums if you have the stones.
As I said in my other post - the typical ASCN repsonse is to insult. Rather than try to comprehend and possibly learn something, you go straight to name calling. Next thing will be crying about some sort of forum hax that will end up being revealed as the 'post reply button' followed up with a mass petition calling for my ban on the forums....Sound about right? Am I missing something?
Now I understand your inability to not understand what was said. It isn't like you have to be a rocket scientist to get into ASCN; in fact I don't even think their is a requirement to even play eve based on the public access to supposed internal forums. So of course anything that goes against the party line will be jumped all over with giddy glee of childish antics...
As for airing dirty laundry on Eve-o, let me ask you this. How is it any different than doing it on internal ASCN forums seeing as they are basically publicly accessable and heavily cross posted here anyhow?
In regards to your coward comment and being the reason good FCs leave. Well maybe it has more to do with the fact that leading low skille dplayers in t1 ships against a far superior force and losing all of the time. I don't think the goonie swarm tactic is a valid approach as it was shown to be easily beaten.....Just something to think about.
As for doing a superb job as aleader, well I guess we have a difference in opinion there.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 04:38:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
I just gained a lot of respect for this dude. At last someone that refuses to blame losses on everything but their mistakes. It's was haxx, it was sploits, it was an 'un-discovered bug', it was lag, it was whaaaa, whaaa, whaaa.
If i loose chances are because i messed up, and i learn not to do it again. Well said LX. Pity Madeye doesn't see it this way. Although with these posts of yours i feel you are in-voluntarily going to moved onto bigger and better things. GL with that.
Well, someone has to stand up and say it. As I said before, I am tired of all the crap excuses that were being stated for ovbious mistakes in game play. Regardless of what game, sport, business, etc, there is no reason one has resort to childish antics if they are losing and that is what I expereinced as a player within this game. So I am stating it straight up for how it is/was.
In regards to the EDF CEO, my thoughts about that issue are well known within the corp and I don't think it is appropriate to state them here. He has his own issues to deal with and I hope he does take a step back to address them from the advice he has been given from his directors and other members of the corp. I would also hope that the Eve community will be understanding if he does going about addressing his issues.
Cyvok I can't say the same for as he is just a quiter. He got a booboo on his ego, so he cried, picked up his ball and went home. End of story.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.16 04:54:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
stuff
awww don't say that, or Creedy might kick you out and add you to blacklist
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2006.12.16 04:56:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
I just gained a lot of respect for this dude. At last someone that refuses to blame losses on everything but their mistakes. It's was haxx, it was sploits, it was an 'un-discovered bug', it was lag, it was whaaaa, whaaa, whaaa.
If i loose chances are because i messed up, and i learn not to do it again. Well said LX. Pity Madeye doesn't see it this way. Although with these posts of yours i feel you are in-voluntarily going to moved onto bigger and better things. GL with that.
Well, someone has to stand up and say it. As I said before, I am tired of all the crap excuses that were being stated for ovbious mistakes in game play. Regardless of what game, sport, business, etc, there is no reason one has resort to childish antics if they are losing and that is what I expereinced as a player within this game. So I am stating it straight up for how it is/was.
In regards to the EDF CEO, my thoughts about that issue are well known within the corp and I don't think it is appropriate to state them here. He has his own issues to deal with and I hope he does take a step back to address them from the advice he has been given from his directors and other members of the corp. I would also hope that the Eve community will be understanding if he does going about addressing his issues.
Cyvok I can't say the same for as he is just a quiter. He got a booboo on his ego, so he cried, picked up his ball and went home. End of story.
You can't just keep your thoughts to yourself and wish him all the best? Just in case he was feeling down, read this and was cheered by all the support he had in the community? No you couldn't bite your tongue just this once, you have to get your hooks in to make yourself feel like more of a man. Playground cruelty, very sad to read really.
I have no idea how well CYVOK performed as a leader, or of the circumstances surrounding the loss of his Avatar. To be honest I don't care. I hope he is happy and healthy and is fulfilled wherever he goes, be that back to Eve or not. Best of luck mate.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 05:35:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Stuff
More stuff
Lots more stuff...damm char limit
You can't just keep your thoughts to yourself and wish him all the best? Just in case he was feeling down, read this and was cheered by all the support he had in the community? No you couldn't bite your tongue just this once, you have to get your hooks in to make yourself feel like more of a man. Playground cruelty, very sad to read really.
I have no idea how well CYVOK performed as a leader, or of the circumstances surrounding the loss of his Avatar. To be honest I don't care. I hope he is happy and healthy and is fulfilled wherever he goes, be that back to Eve or not. Best of luck mate.
It is easy, like I said, I tell it how it is straight up. The guy isn't a good leader, deal with it.
As for support in the community, well whatever, it shouldn't matter that one person speaks critical of him then. Besides, you are hardly one to comment on his leadership as you stated to not have first hand knowledge. The simple mention of something contrary to the polite respectful messages might give you a clue that it wasn't all fluffy bunnies and daisies.
This isn't a game for the faint of heart and tbh, I don't have any respect for emo cry baby whining. CCP has put a great game together for us to play and the disrepect Cyvok shows/ed towards them is demeaning my gameplay experience. Tit for tat - why would it be fair for him to slam CCP (plus numerous others) and not be slammed himself?
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2006.12.16 05:48:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
You can't just keep your thoughts to yourself and wish him all the best? Just in case he was feeling down, read this and was cheered by all the support he had in the community? No you couldn't bite your tongue just this once, you have to get your hooks in to make yourself feel like more of a man. Playground cruelty, very sad to read really.
I have no idea how well CYVOK performed as a leader, or of the circumstances surrounding the loss of his Avatar. To be honest I don't care. I hope he is happy and healthy and is fulfilled wherever he goes, be that back to Eve or not. Best of luck mate.
It is easy, like I said, I tell it how it is straight up. The guy isn't a good leader, deal with it.
As for support in the community, well whatever, it shouldn't matter that one person speaks critical of him then. Besides, you are hardly one to comment on his leadership as you stated to not have first hand knowledge. The simple mention of something contrary to the polite respectful messages might give you a clue that it wasn't all fluffy bunnies and daisies.
This isn't a game for the faint of heart and tbh, I don't have any respect for emo cry baby whining. CCP has put a great game together for us to play and the disrepect Cyvok shows/ed towards them is demeaning my gameplay experience. Tit for tat - why would it be fair for him to slam CCP (plus numerous others) and not be slammed himself?
Where in my post did I comment on his leadership?
I don't see how anything CYVOK does in or out of real life is 'demeaning' your gameplay experience. I think 'degrading' is the word you were looking for too.
This isn't a game that you can decide should only be populated by players who have to show complete emotional detachment 100% of the time, who instead should all take your barbs with gruff good humour and respond in kind. If someone convo'd me and started railing on against my family, my partner, my pastimes and whatever else, i'd be upset. Because it's just so needless. You could be pleasant and wish CYVOK on his way. Why don't you? Because you need to prove you're important by hijacking a thread about someone vastly more accomplished than you to put them down and try to garner the accolades of other players.
Why can't it all be fluffy bunnies and daisies? If CYVOK is leaving then it is bringing this chapter to a close and it doesn't matter what he did or didn't do. People are thinking of CYVOK the player, not CYVOK the character. If you look at this thread, 99% of the posters have politely wished CYVOK on his way. You can't. Because you're not very nice.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:11:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
You can't just keep your thoughts to yourself and wish him all the best? Just in case he was feeling down, read this and was cheered by all the support he had in the community? No you couldn't bite your tongue just this once, you have to get your hooks in to make yourself feel like more of a man. Playground cruelty, very sad to read really.
I have no idea how well CYVOK performed as a leader, or of the circumstances surrounding the loss of his Avatar. To be honest I don't care. I hope he is happy and healthy and is fulfilled wherever he goes, be that back to Eve or not. Best of luck mate.
It is easy, like I said, I tell it how it is straight up. The guy isn't a good leader, deal with it.
As for support in the community, well whatever, it shouldn't matter that one person speaks critical of him then. Besides, you are hardly one to comment on his leadership as you stated to not have first hand knowledge. The simple mention of something contrary to the polite respectful messages might give you a clue that it wasn't all fluffy bunnies and daisies.
This isn't a game for the faint of heart and tbh, I don't have any respect for emo cry baby whining. CCP has put a great game together for us to play and the disrepect Cyvok shows/ed towards them is demeaning my gameplay experience. Tit for tat - why would it be fair for him to slam CCP (plus numerous others) and not be slammed himself?
Where in my post did I comment on his leadership?
I don't see how anything CYVOK does in or out of real life is 'demeaning' your gameplay experience. I think 'degrading' is the word you were looking for too.
This isn't a game that you can decide should only be populated by players who have to show complete emotional detachment 100% of the time, who instead should all take your barbs with gruff good humour and respond in kind. If someone convo'd me and started railing on against my family, my partner, my pastimes and whatever else, i'd be upset. Because it's just so needless. You could be pleasant and wish CYVOK on his way. Why don't you? Because you need to prove you're important by hijacking a thread about someone vastly more accomplished than you to put them down and try to garner the accolades of other players.
Why can't it all be fluffy bunnies and daisies? If CYVOK is leaving then it is bringing this chapter to a close and it doesn't matter what he did or didn't do. People are thinking of CYVOK the player, not CYVOK the character. If you look at this thread, 99% of the posters have politely wished CYVOK on his way. You can't. Because you're not very nice.
Waaaah, waaaah. boo hoo.
Storybook summarized version.
The final chapter in this story should have been closed a long time ago. Bob is just cleansing 0.0 of those who don't deserve it. Cyvok blew it by not properly preparing to defend it, but rather decided that a shiny toy was more important. After it got taken away he cried and ran home to mommy.
Sorry I had to stoop to such childish levels, but for some it is the only way to get the message across. Even then I don't think some will understand as they are still in the denial stage....
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headseed
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 08:11:00 -
[310]
Best of luck Cyvok, take care
Lots of good times since I've been flying with you & ASCN
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 11:40:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
...snip drivel..
Post with your main.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:24:00 -
[312]
Edited by: LUKEC on 16/12/2006 13:36:04
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Lord XSiV
...snip drivel..
Post with your main.
C'mon reveal it...
And discussion about good and bad leadership is pretty much void. Cyvok might have been good leader some time ago, but since October 2006, he (and HC) didn't make even one good move. Everything was badly planned, and even if plan could work its execution failed big time. I cannot think of 1 thing going right for ASCN in this war.
Furthermore, spreading lies, putting blame on lower ranks and on factors that you can't improve, contradictory statements (node killing manual, bring more more more people and then complaining about lag), inability to adept to new situations... Maybe if these methods would bring some positive results HC could find some excuses (end justifying means) but for now, they lead them from one failure to another and it seems they will still dream deluded dreams about opening 7 fronts and 1500 member blobs from empire when alliance size will be reduced to 1 holding corp.
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The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:14:00 -
[313]
Somebody give Lord XsIV a cookie!
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:38:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
w00t..someone saying how it is. Id save this post if i were u, will come in useful when John steps down due to rl stuff/game mechanics etc.
Save u making another.
'The EDF Blackilist' aint so bad
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM15) Ace - 1000 kills
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:48:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
Exactly what I've been saying. Cyvok was nothing more then in the right place at the right time for much of ASCN's infancy. While there is no doubt he possessed some management qualities required for everyday operation of a large alliance, he still behaved in an immature and infantile manner publicly. Great leaders in this game(as well as in life) don't blame their failures on bugs, exploits, or pass the blame onto the lower echelons, they take responsibility for them. His lack of ability to accept his own mistakes resulted in ASCN being devastated in a war riddled with indecision and strategic blunders on his part. Instead of changing his strategy he remained stubbornly in his position, content with blaming defeat after defeat on everything and everyone but himself. He viewed himself as some kind of great leader, convincing many in his alliance of this also, but really he is nothing more then an example of how NOT to act.
Good luck to ASCN with it's new leadership. Hopefully, for their own sake, they will be dynamic enough to deal with the problems they are faced with, instead of just surrounding themselves in a haze of denial and finger-pointing.
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Posted - 2006.12.16 17:30:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Vortex Freeman
CYVOK will be missed. He is the greatest leader in EVE I've ever seen. What ASCN has accomplished and built in 0.0 is to a great extent his work. To plan, organize and execute the construction of a infrastructure able to support a growing empire in 0.0 takes dedication, loyalty and the ability to stick it out when you hit the lows. CYVOK tied it all together and made it work. CYVOK also carry a sense of honor and morale I've rarely seen in EVE. What ASCN has built in 0.0 is second to no other alliance, that is fact.
CYVOK I salute you, continue to fly with honor, as you always have been.
Oh boo hoo, sob sob. Cry me a river....
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
As for honour, posh, the guy didn't even have the dignity to admit he screwed up. That is the major identifying attribute of a poor leader - refuse to accept fault and blaming everything else for failure.
Not only that, but he left at a time when his alliance needed leadership most. All because his shiny toy got broken and no one wanted to go out and build him another one.
May be critical, but it is the truth. He probably is a nice guy in real life, but this is a game where it isn't very nice. Maybe he would do better in Second Life or another pacifist based mmo....
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2006.12.16 17:58:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Honestly, his leadership was mediocre at best to be polite about it and more closer to being quite pathetic. I have heard everything from 'he is a great peace time leader' to 'greatest thing since sliced bread', however I know it is all based upon the brainwashing propaganda that was endured.
And yet I bet you didn't have the strength of character to bring any of this up while he was active, when he could have defended himself.
You just jump on him while he's down. I bet you'd do a fantastic job in charge of the whole of ASCN, you certainly wouldn't make any mistakes or resort to name-calling in the face of extremely adverse circumstances.
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The Triad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:44:00 -
[318]
What's funny is that the reason ASCN would lose is because of people like him that drive from the back seat. I love those kinds of people and the best thing about this war is that people like him will leave and make the organization stronger by doing so.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:44:00 -
[319]
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 16/12/2006 13:36:04
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Lord XSiV
...snip drivel..
Post with your main.
C'mon reveal it...
And discussion about good and bad leadership is pretty much void. Cyvok might have been good leader some time ago, but since October 2006, he (and HC) didn't make even one good move. Everything was badly planned, and even if plan could work its execution failed big time. I cannot think of 1 thing going right for ASCN in this war.
Furthermore, spreading lies, putting blame on lower ranks and on factors that you can't improve, contradictory statements (node killing manual, bring more more more people and then complaining about lag), inability to adept to new situations... Maybe if these methods would bring some positive results HC could find some excuses (end justifying means) but for now, they lead them from one failure to another and it seems they will still dream deluded dreams about opening 7 fronts and 1500 member blobs from empire when alliance size will be reduced to 1 holding corp.
Well if I did reveal my so called 'main', for one I wouldn't be allowed to post in CAOD; at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games. Hence the posting of my opinions after the leaving of a coward and the lack of policy statement from the new leaders defining one, I am technically still even playing by their rules. Mind you, they would hardly agree with that, but no matter, it isn't like I am dealing with mensa here.
Secondly it would be a major let down for Drama Queen Drakma, who on his eternal quest to feret out so called 'bob spies' would run into yet another dead end. Give it up, you guys are just outclassed.
In regards to may apparent hostility towars ASCN, it is actually only directed at the leadership which was negligent in their responsibilities to adequately protecting their members. Blaming game mechanics, accusing others of cheating, harassment of CCP, etc, the list goes on, isn't something I want be associated with and unfortunately you don't know that is going to be the case until the chips are down. Added to the fact that it has been mentioned that some of the corporations in the alliance have yet to even touch their war reserves (most likely shipped back to empire already, history is doomed to repeat itself ala Xetic) it is pretty obvious that the writing is in on the wall. Up till now, it has been the players spending their own isk and using their own ships with very little in the line of support from the alliance leadership. Well there was the titan, but we all know how much (and effective) that was used...
The players within for the most part either don't know any better, don't want to know or were outcast as ebil people when they mentioned anything that would contradict the supposed party line. Sorry but that is the truth, and that is how ASCN was run. The supposed vision and 'dream' is nothing more than a propaganda trick to come work to build the leaders shiny toys. You can do anything you want in Eve, and social engineering for the purpose of 'scamming' willing players is encouraged as a behaviour. Cyvok just did it using an alliance as a cover.
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.16 23:31:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 16/12/2006 13:36:04
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Lord XSiV
...snip drivel..
Post with your main.
C'mon reveal it...
And discussion about good and bad leadership is pretty much void. Cyvok might have been good leader some time ago, but since October 2006, he (and HC) didn't make even one good move. Everything was badly planned, and even if plan could work its execution failed big time. I cannot think of 1 thing going right for ASCN in this war.
Furthermore, spreading lies, putting blame on lower ranks and on factors that you can't improve, contradictory statements (node killing manual, bring more more more people and then complaining about lag), inability to adept to new situations... Maybe if these methods would bring some positive results HC could find some excuses (end justifying means) but for now, they lead them from one failure to another and it seems they will still dream deluded dreams about opening 7 fronts and 1500 member blobs from empire when alliance size will be reduced to 1 holding corp.
Well if I did reveal my so called 'main', for one I wouldn't be allowed to post in CAOD; at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games. Hence the posting of my opinions after the leaving of a coward and the lack of policy statement from the new leaders defining one, I am technically still even playing by their rules. Mind you, they would hardly agree with that, but no matter, it isn't like I am dealing with mensa here.
Secondly it would be a major let down for Drama Queen Drakma, who on his eternal quest to feret out so called 'bob spies' would run into yet another dead end. Give it up, you guys are just outclassed.
In regards to may apparent hostility towars ASCN, it is actually only directed at the leadership which was negligent in their responsibilities to adequately protecting their members. Blaming game mechanics, accusing others of cheating, harassment of CCP, etc, the list goes on, isn't something I want be associated with and unfortunately you don't know that is going to be the case until the chips are down. Added to the fact that it has been mentioned that some of the corporations in the alliance have yet to even touch their war reserves (most likely shipped back to empire already, history is doomed to repeat itself ala Xetic) it is pretty obvious that the writing is in on the wall. Up till now, it has been the players spending their own isk and using their own ships with very little in the line of support from the alliance leadership. Well there was the titan, but we all know how much (and effective) that was used...
The players within for the most part either don't know any better, don't want to know or were outcast as ebil people when they mentioned anything that would contradict the supposed party line. Sorry but that is the truth, and that is how ASCN was run. The supposed vision and 'dream' is nothing more than a propaganda trick to come work to build the leaders shiny toys. You can do anything you want in Eve, and social engineering for the purpose of 'scamming' willing players is encouraged as a behaviour. Cyvok just did it using an alliance as a cover.
So, you resort to the very thing you said ASCN leaders would do to you... name calling. You are a hypocrite alt of the lowest form.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 23:48:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 16/12/2006 13:36:04
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Lord XSiV
...snip drivel..
Post with your main.
C'mon reveal it...
stuff
Well if I did reveal my so called 'main', for one I wouldn't be allowed to post in CAOD; at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games. Hence the posting of my opinions after the leaving of a coward and the lack of policy statement from the new leaders defining one, I am technically still even playing by their rules. Mind you, they would hardly agree with that, but no matter, it isn't like I am dealing with mensa here.
Secondly it would be a major let down for Drama Queen Drakma, who on his eternal quest to feret out so called 'bob spies' would run into yet another dead end. Give it up, you guys are just outclassed.
In regards to may apparent hostility towars ASCN, it is actually only directed at the leadership which was negligent in their responsibilities to adequately protecting their members. Blaming game mechanics, accusing others of cheating, harassment of CCP, etc, the list goes on, isn't something I want be associated with and unfortunately you don't know that is going to be the case until the chips are down. Added to the fact that it has been mentioned that some of the corporations in the alliance have yet to even touch their war reserves (most likely shipped back to empire already, history is doomed to repeat itself ala Xetic) it is pretty obvious that the writing is in on the wall. Up till now, it has been the players spending their own isk and using their own ships with very little in the line of support from the alliance leadership. Well there was the titan, but we all know how much (and effective) that was used...
The players within for the most part either don't know any better, don't want to know or were outcast as ebil people when they mentioned anything that would contradict the supposed party line. Sorry but that is the truth, and that is how ASCN was run. The supposed vision and 'dream' is nothing more than a propaganda trick to come work to build the leaders shiny toys. You can do anything you want in Eve, and social engineering for the purpose of 'scamming' willing players is encouraged as a behaviour. Cyvok just did it using an alliance as a cover.
So, you resort to the very thing you said ASCN leaders would do to you... name calling. You are a hypocrite alt of the lowest form.
Ok, I will do something ASCN has never done just so that I can continue the seperation; appologize.
Sorry Drakma for using the adjective 'Drama Queen' to describe you. It was really intended as an adjective, but I do see where it can be interpretted as a label...
Happy now?
Now let's dance on the forums, welcome to my world.
The peons are getting boring. I need someone who can put up a decent resistance.
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:12:00 -
[322]
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:22:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
?
Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
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Cherry Picker
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:32:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
?
Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
oooh the 'truth'..............the 'truth' is you are just another greedy leech with a chip on his shoulder because he cannot get rich the easy way.Instead of being able to npc some of the best rats in Eve and mining the finest ores to line your pockets you now have to fight.Your contribution to 'The fight' was:0 kills,1 lossTo summarise:
"Aiiiieeee,Aaieeeeee,I want loads of iskie but not when there is risks.Call the whaaaambulance cos I am leaving and it is all somebody elses fault"
Dude,just go to Empire with the rest of the whiners and leave the fighting to the people who have the balls for it.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:40:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Cherry Picker
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
?
Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
oooh the 'truth'..............the 'truth' is you are just another greedy leech with a chip on his shoulder because he cannot get rich the easy way.Instead of being able to npc some of the best rats in Eve and mining the finest ores to line your pockets you now have to fight.Your contribution to 'The fight' was:0 kills,1 lossTo summarise:
"Aiiiieeee,Aaieeeeee,I want loads of iskie but not when there is risks.Call the whaaaambulance cos I am leaving and it is all somebody elses fault"
Dude,just go to Empire with the rest of the whiners and leave the fighting to the people who have the balls for it.
You sir,are all mouth and no trousers!
Well at least I have my corporate ticker on.....
I thought it was explained before on another post. Oh yeah, you are one of those 'slow' people and need a bit longer to digest information. Sometimes it would be a good idea to remove the reply to post link for some people....
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Lion El'Johnson
Minmatar
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.12.17 16:07:00 -
[326]
All this crap about "respect" to CYVOK for his accomplishments on building something great is quite utterly pathetic.
CYVOK did create something great. He created a great shambles.
His "Great" alliance is in the process of falling apart. His "Great" titan died horribly. His "Great" legacy means nothing.
CYVOK attempted to build something great and fell flat on his arse.
Th OP mentioned that CYVOK made the ASCN what it is today... This is the only great achievement he accomplished. He made ASCN a massive bunch of whiners and losers.
I know this will prolly generate a few flames but, in all honesty, I think i hit the nail on the head :)
Proper Regards,
Lion El'Johnson,
CEO
Lion's Emporium Corporatation.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.17 16:20:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
?
Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
Blacklisting? If you were afraid of blacklisting you wouldn'tve taken a snipe at ASCN on eve-o.
You are a member of EDF. EDF has in recent times lost many pilots, simply because they no longer feel they wish to continue to 0.0 game. Did we blacklist them? No, every damned one was given a genuine goodbye. Even those booted were given 24 hours to get out of space, and not blacklisted unless they really did something to deserve it.
Hell, who was it who wrote that long angry rant directed at John McCreedy recently, who btw, NOT booted, NOT blacklisted? I refer to cap ship skills.
Just look at our, apparently public, forums. Bloodbird and Komen. Both quit in the last few days, before your little spasm on eve-o. Both threads are genuine friendly farewells with the usual offers of always having a place for those pilots if they wish to return.
I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war! |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.17 16:40:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Lion El'Johnson
All this crap about "respect" to CYVOK for his accomplishments on building something great is quite utterly pathetic.
CYVOK did create something great. He created a great shambles.
His "Great" alliance is in the process of falling apart. His "Great" titan died horribly. His "Great" legacy means nothing.
CYVOK attempted to build something great and fell flat on his arse.
Th OP mentioned that CYVOK made the ASCN what it is today... This is the only great achievement he accomplished. He made ASCN a massive bunch of whiners and losers.
I know this will prolly generate a few flames but, in all honesty, I think i hit the nail on the head :)
Proper Regards,
Lion El'Johnson,
CEO
Lion's Emporium Corporatation.
So BoB are what, irrelevant? Nothing? If your corp came up against BoB, what state would it be in? BoB is a great corp, definately one of the greatest. That's why ASCN is having trouble against them. Throw another alliance at us, any alliance that isnt BoB. It'd be a very very slow battle. Regardless of the circumstances regarding the Titan, one thing is true. BoB probed, communicated, and moved. They were already there in force. They were already aggressing superior numbers and isk. Not every alliance will do that. CYVOK is and was a great player and leader. He didnt achieve every single milestone in the game, but damnit he did get to touch some. He deserves at least some mutual respect. If ASCN was what you say it is, we'd look more like Goons.
Hell, even BoB members said polite farewells in Spiraljunkie's thread. Anywho, we'll see how well the other alliances fair. Someday BoB will fall apart or drift away. On that day I imagine there'll be a few thousand people hitting the forums trying to deconstruct everything they achieved. Immediately we'll see 'brilliant' empire corp leaders hop on and talk about how they could've taken BoB and its all just hype.
That is why your attacks on Cyvok amount to. Petty post-war commentary that fades even faster than he does, because unlike him, there's no truth to keep the reality fresh in everybody's minds.
I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war! |
Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.17 23:29:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Vrizuh
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
?
Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
Blacklisting? If you were afraid of blacklisting you wouldn'tve taken a snipe at ASCN on eve-o.
You are a member of EDF. EDF has in recent times lost many pilots, simply because they no longer feel they wish to continue to 0.0 game. Did we blacklist them? No, every damned one was given a genuine goodbye. Even those booted were given 24 hours to get out of space, and not blacklisted unless they really did something to deserve it.
Hell, who was it who wrote that long angry rant directed at John McCreedy recently, who btw, NOT booted, NOT blacklisted? I refer to cap ship skills.
Just look at our, apparently public, forums. Bloodbird and Komen. Both quit in the last few days, before your little spasm on eve-o. Both threads are genuine friendly farewells with the usual offers of always having a place for those pilots if they wish to return.
Actually, now that I know ascn will be done shortly, the threat of blacklisting is moot.
Knowing the short attention span of ascn (compare close to that of a gnat) they will have forgotten me by tomorrow.
Pretty much end of story.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 23:34:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Vrizuh
So BoB are what, irrelevant? Nothing? If your corp came up against BoB, what state would it be in? BoB is a great corp, definately one of the greatest.
BOB is not a corp
"Lord Samaiel, Rise "
BNC Vs CELES Video
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Apollo Balthar
Minmatar
The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 23:41:00 -
[331]
Who's Cyvok ?
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Sonic Slayer
Minmatar
Guardian Heroes Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:20:00 -
[332]
Edited by: Sonic Slayer on 18/12/2006 01:23:59
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Sonic Slayer
Minmatar
Guardian Heroes Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:23:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Lion El'Johnson
All this crap about "respect" to CYVOK for his accomplishments on building something great is quite utterly pathetic.
CYVOK did create something great. He created a great shambles.
His "Great" alliance is in the process of falling apart. His "Great" titan died horribly. His "Great" legacy means nothing.
CYVOK attempted to build something great and fell flat on his arse.
Th OP mentioned that CYVOK made the ASCN what it is today... This is the only great achievement he accomplished. He made ASCN a massive bunch of whiners and losers.
I know this will prolly generate a few flames but, in all honesty, I think i hit the nail on the head :)
Proper Regards,
Lion El'Johnson,
CEO
Lion's Emporium Corporatation.
"It is not the critic who counts not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
THEODORE ROOSEVELT (Paris Sorbonne,1910)
That being said, as a former active duty Marine, I understand the stress of what CYVOK gone through with the discharge and all that adjusting to the "WTF am I gonna do now for money and a place to live" and all that "living life" concept, and RL comes way before anything else. I don't know nor claim to know the man but I can see it takes great effort and time to run a corp much less a whole alliance... just trying to setup and manage the sites and forums out of game is a handful. while EVE is just a game, we invest alot of ourselves into it and it is a tangible part of our lives and when that crashes into the rest of what's out there and creates conflict, we need to step back and reasses what direction we want our lives to head in and make corrections to course, whether it is to take a break from EVE and get our stuff sorted or move back into the basement of our parents' place and ignore everything else because Eve is the cruel and demanding mistress of our love life. Hey if that is the path you choose, more power to ya, I'm a fan of BDSM too.
My point? Don't Hate, Congratulate! and on CYVOK leaving... no-one leaves forever, I'm betting he'll return when he gets his life in order, till then GL.
Thank you pathetic humans for reading another incoherent rant of the Mad Chinaman I need to stuff Pocky down my otaku throat now and watch some anime and sharpen my swords without cutting myself this time, kthnksbye.
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JForce
N.W.A
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Posted - 2006.12.18 03:39:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Sonic Slayer
"It is not the critic who counts not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
THEODORE ROOSEVELT (Paris Sorbonne,1910)
Every single part of your post is why Cyvok failed. He wasn't in the arena. His face wasn't marred by the sweat and blood. He didn't fail while daring greatly.
If he had, the level of respect would be 10x what it is now. |
Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.18 03:45:00 -
[335]
Originally by: JForce
Originally by: Sonic Slayer
"It is not the critic who counts not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
THEODORE ROOSEVELT (Paris Sorbonne,1910)
Every single part of your post is why Cyvok failed. He wasn't in the arena. His face wasn't marred by the sweat and blood. He didn't fail while daring greatly.
If he had, the level of respect would be 10x what it is now.
Yeah but he ran a great scam....
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:56:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Vrizuh
So BoB are what, irrelevant? Nothing? If your corp came up against BoB, what state would it be in? BoB is a great corp, definately one of the greatest.
BOB is not a corp
A mistake in terminology maybe? I saw it after I posted but I thought "bah, no-one will care about that right? Screw editing". You'll notice that further down I do correctly refer to BoB as an alliance. I *have* read the history forum @ RKK's site so I understand that you are or were very seperate entities.
I'm curious how deep your bonds go. Certainly from the outside you may as well be one corp. Do your individual member corps still have some slightly key differences? Do your alts share any corps together? (Making it harder to split)
I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war! |
Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:56:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Vrizuh
I'm curious how deep your bonds go. Certainly from the outside you may as well be one corp. Do your individual member corps still have some slightly key differences?
Yes, recently i have been having a heated arguement with DB Precher over the benefits of cake, as opposed that of cookies with a cup of Tea. Not too mention the age old BNC/RKK classifications of Jaffa cakes as cakes or biscuits. Although these differences are slight, they are also very very deep seated and have led to what we now know as 'Key Differences'.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |
EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.18 14:25:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Although these differences are slight, they are also very very deep seated and have led to what we now know as 'Key Differences'.
Wars have begun over less.
Meanwhile, Why is it that hate Marmite but like Twiglets?
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:25:00 -
[339]
Originally by: EnglishBob
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Although these differences are slight, they are also very very deep seated and have led to what we now know as 'Key Differences'.
Wars have begun over less.
Meanwhile, Why is it that hate Marmite but like Twiglets?
You are obviously more concerned by texture than taste ?
Myself i prefer marmite since it allows one to carefully control the flavour dosage with the thickness of the spread layer.
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Real men use blasters |
Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:32:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Vrizuh
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Vrizuh
So BoB are what, irrelevant? Nothing? If your corp came up against BoB, what state would it be in? BoB is a great corp, definately one of the greatest.
BOB is not a corp
A mistake in terminology maybe? I saw it after I posted but I thought "bah, no-one will care about that right? Screw editing". You'll notice that further down I do correctly refer to BoB as an alliance. I *have* read the history forum @ RKK's site so I understand that you are or were very seperate entities.
I'm curious how deep your bonds go. Certainly from the outside you may as well be one corp. Do your individual member corps still have some slightly key differences? Do your alts share any corps together? (Making it harder to split)
I was just nitpicking for ****s and giggels not winding you up or anything
As far as our bonds go , well for the short period i am in BOB i can tell you that everyone from leadership to the regular memeber back each other up anytime and any given day and thats one of the main reasons we are on top of our game , selfishness or delusional ppl do not belong in BOB period and they get booted mercilessly while they are allowed to fester and thrive in other alliances causing their cancer and their downfall . I aint gonna point out examples but i think you know what i mean .
"Lord Samaiel, Rise "
BNC Vs CELES Video
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CDS Leader
Caldari
Eve Forum Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:56:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Yeah but he ran a great scam....
Are you saying ASCN was run purely as a personal profit making enterprise, where people would mine etc for the sake of stuffing CYVOK's pockets? Are you sure this is the case?
I wonder what happened to the Titan payout mind you...
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:08:00 -
[342]
Originally by: EnglishBob
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Although these differences are slight, they are also very very deep seated and have led to what we now know as 'Key Differences'.
Wars have begun over less.
Meanwhile, Why is it that hate Marmite but like Twiglets?
The addition of spicy twiglets to the twiglet family really threw the doors wide open on that one though .........
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |
Lion El'Johnson
Minmatar
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:28:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Vrizuh
So BoB are what, irrelevant? Nothing? If your corp came up against BoB, what state would it be in?
I have no idea what state my corp would be in. Considering my corp is only 30 some odd peeps against 2000????
But you see the difference is. I would fight them to the bitter end where as you guys just rolled over and gave up.
Originally by: Vrizuh
He deserves at least some mutual respect.
Ermmmmm why???
I am sorry but hasn't done anything to earn this respect.
Originally by: Vrizuh
Immediately we'll see 'brilliant' empire corp leaders hop on and talk about how they could've taken BoB and its all just hype.
I never said anything about being able to take on anyone. As i said earlier, my corp is too small. Also I aint an empire corp.
CYVOK should have been able to lead you to victory but,instead, he failed. Simple as that. No "Oh but his fingers touched the great goals" and all that crap. He FAILED!
Proper Regards,
Lion El'Johnson,
CEO
Lion's Emporium.
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:34:00 -
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Spicy Twiglets? This is news to me, I must investigate further!
In the mean time, can the rest of you shut the hell up about ASCN/BoB, we are grappling with the mysteries of life, divining the nature of the universe and general biscuitry/savoury snack related conundrums here, we can hardly do it properly while wading through 'Cyvok etc etc/Molle blah-blah' type posts.
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Iva Soreass
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:55:00 -
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Good luck to you Cyvok, and good luck to Virt.
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Apollo Balthar
Minmatar
The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.20 17:53:00 -
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I just got word CYVOK is playing a new game:
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Bawldeux IV
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.20 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Cherry Picker
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Marquis Dean
I suppose leaving ASCN wasn't an option huh? So obviously you were benefitting from the arrangement or you'd A/ stop playing or B/ leave ASCN. Maybe defect to BoB because they were winning. That seems like something you'd do.
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Leaving under the threat of a possible 'blacklisting' where ASCN HC goes out of their way to make your existance miserable in the rest of the game? Consider that. Sticking around so I can say 'I told you so'? Take your pick.
Plus what fun would it be if you didn't have someone to help in the unveiling of the 'truth'....
oooh the 'truth'..............the 'truth' is you are just another greedy leech with a chip on his shoulder because he cannot get rich the easy way.Instead of being able to npc some of the best rats in Eve and mining the finest ores to line your pockets you now have to fight.Your contribution to 'The fight' was:0 kills,1 lossTo summarise:
"Aiiiieeee,Aaieeeeee,I want loads of iskie but not when there is risks.Call the whaaaambulance cos I am leaving and it is all somebody elses fault"
Dude,just go to Empire with the rest of the whiners and leave the fighting to the people who have the balls for it.
You sir,are all mouth and no trousers!
Well at least I have my corporate ticker on.....
I thought it was explained before on another post. Oh yeah, you are one of those 'slow' people and need a bit longer to digest information. Sometimes it would be a good idea to remove the reply to post link for some people....
slow...heh, you little troll are slow. It hasn't struck home that it isn't ascn you have to worry about, it is the members that have YOU on a KOS list.
You are a leech, a letch, and other things I can't post here due to rules...but in the game, you are KOS. So yes, we that have put you on the KOS list, will be hunting you, and we will make your life miserable...but first we have an infesation to worry about. Regardless of the outcome of the war...you are next for many of us.
Lord ZSIV's killboard...nothing on it, never been seen in a battle...only running away and hiding in a station/outpost/pos/empire-noob-corp...(oh he did die once...must have been 'playing' with his sheep)
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Exelsior
Endangered Species
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Posted - 2006.12.20 18:26:00 -
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Good luck with your real life Cyvok, you were a good leader when I was part of ASCN a year ago.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:42:00 -
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bye bye to cywok made the game interesting but ASCN rolls on will be smaller question is whats their next move
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Exelsior
Endangered Species
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Posted - 2006.12.21 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Actually, now that I know ascn will be done shortly, the threat of blacklisting is moot.
Knowing the short attention span of ascn (compare close to that of a gnat) they will have forgotten me by tomorrow.
Pretty much end of story.
You know, somehow I reckon it's not the attention span of ASCN which is the reason for them forgetting you. It's quite simple really. You mean nothing. You proved to be a useless pilot when the difficult times came, and then proceeded to act like the other 10000 sheep on this part of the forums. Instead of standing with a principle, you fell with a whine. People won't remember you within an hour after you stop spamming these forums with smack. Because it's not what a man says that defines him, but what he does. And you haven't done anything noteworthy.
Congratulations on publically saying "I'm a wimp, I have no honour and no bravery, and i will go ahead and betray my corp and my alliance and hide in empire like many of the others." And then it occured to you that nobody would remember or talk of you that way, you'd have to do something special. So you went ahead and smack talked your own corp and alliance on the forums, even while still being a part of it. You deserve no respect, and your posts mean nothing for they are ridden with your filth. Vermin is the term used when referring to you. Well, you got your 5 minutes of fame now. Move along, Vermin.
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.21 21:16:00 -
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Strange how some people can't do something as simple as acknowledge the good that a person can do.
Moderators please lock.
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00tricky
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.22 01:12:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Strange how some people can't do something as simple as acknowledge the good that a person can do.
He obviously touched many people in different ways. We all make our enemies in this game, you live and you learn... or not.
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 01:34:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games.
"Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings.
The term alt for the purpose of these rules also includes anybody in an NPC corp."
Guess you just lost any credibility you had.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Yawgmoth
Amarr
Solar Storm
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.24 13:21:00 -
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Sorry to see you go CYVOK. RL takes priority over EVE.
It was a pretty sweet run though, wasn't it? Got to see a lot
happen. Stain fall appart, first deep space outpost, first Titan, desperate defense
ruthless attack, the works.
Despite what others will say he must have been doing something right
to build an empire out in deep space. I know I would not want that job!
"So how did you survive this long in 0.0 with no MWD?"
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Trustus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 15:14:00 -
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Well the only i can say is that i dont know Cyvok or even been part of anything he have accomplished but one thing we all cant forget.
is thanks to players like him the game looks as it is. being a Director/Ceo/Alliance head is a pain in the a** and something that take much time it becomes boring and many takes for granted.
Doing all the work he have done is most of the time the most untankfull work some1 can do, you get always **** for everything bad and NEVER get good feedback on the great things you do. Every1 always forget is a person doing the derty job to make YOUR time better in eve.
So it a shame a person like him needs to leave the game to get all the honor he should have rcvd while he was active.
keep up the good work with what ever you decide to do in the future
/Trustus
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.24 16:40:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Strange how some people can't do something as simple as acknowledge the good that a person can do.
Unfortunately many people appear to adhere to the idea that "if i put you down then it raises me up". Sad.
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.24 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Lord XSiV
at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games.
"Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings.
The term alt for the purpose of these rules also includes anybody in an NPC corp."
Guess you just lost any credibility you had.
_w0rmy
Caldari Provisions
Such a comedian.
Originally by: CYVOK
If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Lord XSiV
at the very least I do follow rules very well when it comes to games.
"Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings.
The term alt for the purpose of these rules also includes anybody in an NPC corp."
Guess you just lost any credibility you had.
LOl. -.-
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The Alien
Primary Targets
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Posted - 2006.12.24 19:03:00 -
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Oh the ironing!
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