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Roxy Kell
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:22:00 -
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When in ASCN you don't need combat record to have a voice, i think people that mined their ass off for that titan and outposts deserve the right to talk.
ASCN was never a PVP alliance, and in order to do that, the rules would have to be changed to something else.
 Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise
Lord Xsiv be a man i call you out 1 vs 1 man vs boy
what is your contribution to EDF the lace you called home. you gave nothing you are a nobody and you deserve every thing you ever get.
are you going to fight ascn are you going to fight EDF i hope you do as i will be there fighting where i will always be.
there have been times where i could have easily given up the last year hell sometimes my wife wishes i had given up but no i was given a home i was given a dream and i made friends
You are the worst sort of player you gave up and sold out you could have left and said nothing and you would have wales away with your head held high but you come on here and try to bring down what i fight for what i believe in what i stand for. You are no better than the person that offlined all our POS or the people who walk off with the corp wallet and ships.
people that contributed to ASCN are usually forgot.
i would take that 1v1 challenge of yours though. Roxanna Kell ingame.
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Hast
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:29:00 -
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I find the fact that ASCN getting flamed without proof comedy gold
oh the irony of the ASCN members demanding proof for these baseless accusations.
Its just priceless.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:38:00 -
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One thing is clear in this war.
#1 - Most of ASCN's members have not fought for the alliance. They are carebears, they lost one ship at some point, cried, whined, and never came back. 4000 members shouldn't have only 40-100 dedicated fighters. Its just wrong. If ASCN had even 10% (or lets say 20% due to alts) fighting BoB would be hard pressed to keep PS, but instead they are knocking on the gates of AZN and C9N.
#2 - Everything ASCN HC did has failed. In part its due to the lack of effort on the members, yet it was their policies that accepted such members into the alliance.
Now I left ASCN prior to the BoB war because I wasn't happy with the alliance, but the signs were all there from the start. Once BoB showed they wanted to take stations, not just kill hobbits, the war was over.
ASCN at its height was much like being in empire space. Very safe, very well developed, great market, but what that attracted were empire rats, and you can't maintain a vast 0.0 empire with people who are just as happy in Jita as they are in 0.0.
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Niraco79
Gallente
Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 17:50:21
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
In this guys entire spell of membership, 10months and 9days
He has had 1 loss, an Apoc
This is the same as our killboard and BOBs,
Obvious Alt. ZOMG A BOB ALT!! GGRRRRR!!!
....no really, defo an alt, but could be any1 maybe another attempt from a thrid party to jump on bandwagon and grief us.
Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations.
As for lord, he is a harsh man with few patience. i had arguments with him and i know that. he is hard to be liked, but is not an idiot like u guys say. He was more loyal to edf than many more.
Lord, takin your frustrations into these forums is a bad lead...i did my choice because some of things u say. I left. The fact u have to make a choice: u have to follow the leaders and their mark on your eve-life or u just leave and find a new beginning.
Drakma, sorry to be blunt. u are one of the few u know better. Just open your eyes.
Robbie, u are one of the old guys in edf. but u have to remember u just camed back. U also joined enemies of ASCn due the fact u were bored??? hmmm don`t be a hypocrit...cause in my 8 months in edf i saw u just 2 times in ascn gangs, and i was in many. what is 1 vs 1..u had john permission to allow him to leave if he would beat u? don`t make us laugh. what he did is wrong, what u do is ..let`s say...LOL
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:55:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 17:57:42
Originally by: Niraco79
Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations.
K... now we are getting somewhere... somebody is prepared to vouch for Lord XsiV. Hunters Agency is a FIX corp, and I'm going to assume this is your main... as is Herculite a main from the same corp. Perhaps some of Lord Xsiv's credibility can be restored.
Niraco79.. it would seem that you know the name of Lord Xsiv's combat character... you could chose to do a check on that character on the ASCN killboards and give an approx. combat record over the last 3 months.
You don't need to reveal the name of the character just the combat record.
Lord Xsiv is saying some pretty big things about ASCN CEO's and Cyvok stashing minerals in empire in preparation for ASCN's fall... he needs some backup.
This thread got quite ugly for him.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:57:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Avon on 17/12/2006 17:57:14
If ASCN's house of cards is so strong, why are they complaining so much about one voice speaking out against them?
Are they really that insecure as an alliance?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:02:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Death Merchant
1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing.
PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV
Thank you ...and good night.
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
the reason ascn is loosin that badly is imo that there wasnt a single thought through strategy from the hc that they couldve sticked to.
a good example was the pos spam in tpar,
where they forgot to anchor guns in most towers..
then they changed tactics every week..
also the lack of good fcs mustve been frustrating for the average ascn member who lost bs after bs til their 3 to 1 numbers came down to 1 to 1 numbers..
its funny to see that they still didnt learn,
right now were shooting prime orbital pos¦s down,
they anchored 10 poses in nol, 8 of them not onlined..
Hi,
My contribution to this funny thread is to requote these two peeps on this page.
Oh and to say i agree with Nez too 
Best Regards,
Taur
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 17/12/2006 18:07:42
entertaining post there lord xsiv!
you know if ascn really wanted a chance to keep their space they would ask bob for a cease-fire to get their assets back in and fight proper with all of their wealth
if i was a ascn defeatist hobbit i would think
#1 maybe bob will let most of ascn/axe keep their stations after some rules ofc
#2 if ascn really fought with their numbers it wouldnt achieve very much, sure they'd have the numbers but not the experience
i end with hahahahahahahaha
o/
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Wrok
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:04:00 -
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Looks like sivvy touched a nerve kinda funny how ascn members flame so quickly yet they dont stop and take a look at them self's and think about what they say, much props for posting with you main.
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Niraco79
Gallente
Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:07:00 -
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nez...just look on eve-defence.com forums in public section u will find your informations if u really need them.. look on about you thread on his signature and u will see his 3 alts(except) all from EDF
btw lord was and still is a miner. he started pvp while edf trip to north around august. but if is a miner does not imply he has no right to talk and issue his opinions. I bet u did not killed so many bistot roids as he did, but his help in this area is not marked on any killboards. If u will search ascn killboards u will see Niraco, even is my main, has not a uber stat. But i think u met my alt (who has more sp than my main) and "her" stas ate in ascn killboard like 40 kills to 1 loss.
u should know better that killboards stats doeas not make the man behind the screen and his abilities.
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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:13:00 -
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So does this thread mean we won't get our Sunday BoB post? Because if it does..
We got jipped. 
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:16:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Niraco79
Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 17:50:21
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
In this guys entire spell of membership, 10months and 9days
He has had 1 loss, an Apoc
This is the same as our killboard and BOBs,
Obvious Alt. ZOMG A BOB ALT!! GGRRRRR!!!
....no really, defo an alt, but could be any1 maybe another attempt from a thrid party to jump on bandwagon and grief us.
Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations.
As for lord, he is a harsh man with few patience. i had arguments with him and i know that. he is hard to be liked, but is not an idiot like u guys say. He was more loyal to edf than many more.
Lord, takin your frustrations into these forums is a bad lead...i did my choice because some of things u say. I left. The fact u have to make a choice: u have to follow the leaders and their mark on your eve-life or u just leave and find a new beginning.
Drakma, sorry to be blunt. u are one of the few u know better. Just open your eyes.
Robbie, u are one of the old guys in edf. but u have to remember u just camed back. U also joined enemies of ASCn due the fact u were bored??? hmmm don`t be a hypocrit...cause in my 8 months in edf i saw u just 2 times in ascn gangs, and i was in many. what is 1 vs 1..u had john permission to allow him to leave if he would beat u? don`t make us laugh. what he did is wrong, what u do is ..let`s say...LOL
Thanks Nir, you know me to speak my mind. One of the problems with the alliance over time is losing guys like you for which we actually had fun playing the game. As more and more people like yourself left, the game (well being in the alliance) became less and less fun. Now I am having fun and that is all that matters. Yeah it could be considered a bit over the edge, but alas, it is just a game so not a biggie.
To respond to Dobbs, well yeah I wanted to leave a lot earlier in the year but certian corps have this nasty habit of turning on their former members and calling them cowards for so called abandonment. Take that into account. What you don't know is that I did make an effort to remediate things by providing advice that was subsequently shot down as hogwash. You would never hear that from ASCN though - I am ebil for even considering the thought of bringing up something that sounds logical. It was at that point where it was obvious that this was not the alliance for me to be in once you take in all the blathering excuses claiming hax, exploits, etc into account.
To Nez, there is no such thing as evidence in this virutal world unless it is verified by CCP. We know that is not going to happen. End of story. Believe it if you want, don't if you don't, I couldn't really care in the least. The point of making this all public is to let those in on the scam to know that others know about it. So just think about that and let it sit in for a while. Come on, I know you can do it.
Eventually everything will come out in the end anyhow, so as I said earlier, time is the evidence. Patience is a virtue, throw in a bunch of other cliches for good measure and there you have it. Gaming at its finest.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 18:18:10
Originally by: Niraco79
nez...just look on eve-defence.com forums in public section u will find your informations if u really need them.. look on about you thread on his signature and u will see his 3 alts(except) all from EDF
I'm looking can't find nothing though.. give me a hint....
Originally by: Niraco79
btw lord was and still is a miner. he started pvp while edf trip to north around august. but if is a miner does not imply he has no right to talk and issue his opinions. I bet u did not killed so many bistot roids as he did, but his help in this area is not marked on any killboards. If u will search ascn killboards u will see Niraco, even is my main, has not a uber stat. But i think u met my alt (who has more sp than my main) and "her" stas ate in ascn killboard like 40 kills to 1 loss.
u should know better that killboards stats doeas not make the man behind the screen and his abilities.
Well Niraco79, for the purposes of Lord Xsiv having some moral highground to stand on for this thread.. he needs to have a combat record, or else he could be one of the very people he is complaining about.
No combat record for the purposes of this thread means no high horse to ride.
Besides.. if there are pilots in ASCN that still havent fired a shot in this war, they need to be kicked out.
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Niraco79
Gallente
Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:24:00 -
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nez i do not agree with u about combat records...do u really think cyvok had a great combat record?
now i hate myself to make your forum job easier for you
link to edf- public boards lord xsiv about him statement - don`t search for mine :D
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Razor Jaxx
Fate.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:39:00 -
[75]
While voicing dissent privately and reasonably might get you somewhere, I don't know of any alliance that would tolerate such a public outing within their ranks, and neither should they. It's a simple matter of self-preservation.
At the rhythm you're posting now, I don't believe you're in it for ASCN's "greater good" anymore anyway. You're just on a forum starlet ego-trip, and it's a bit sad, because you did have some interesting things to say.
Fate kills |
HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:42:00 -
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whats worse than a Bob-iganda post?
a wanna-be 
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:45:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 18:48:12
Originally by: Niraco79
nez i do not agree with u about combat records...do u really think cyvok had a great combat record?
now i hate myself to make your forum job easier for you
link to edf- public boards lord xsiv about him statement - don`t search for mine :D
Cheers mate..
k.. so one of Lord Xsiv's characters has indeed been fighting and participated on 5 kills and suffered 7 losses amongst them 2 BS. K its not an outstanding contribution.. but its something.. and if you add to that some work as a covert ops pilot and any mining work?..then there is a semblance of a combat record and active particpation in alliance affairs.
I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one.
He has therefore got a right to complain.
Now for the real meat in this thread.. the fact that ASCN CEO's and possibly CYVOK have already given up on ASCN and have started packing bags for empire.
Well.. if we check this thread...EDF restucturing blog.. suddenly what Lord Xsiv is saying becomes entirely more plausible.
Whaddya know... huh?
Xsiv, sure you haven't got some more juicy posts, blogs, chatlogs .. that might clinch this for you?
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Jonathan Fisher
Galactic Security
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:56:00 -
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I can vouch for Lord XSiV's combat record. I contacted him ingame and he agreed to provide me with evidence that his alts have a combat record with ASCN, provided I do not reveal those alts.
I cannot vouch for his claims about corp assets being moved. This is something that we have to let time tell, and give or take credibility from Lord later.
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Niraco79
Gallente
Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.17 18:57:00 -
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look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:00:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Niraco79
look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate
heh.. i thought id checked them all must have missed one.. anwyays... I think the point can be conceded. Lord XsiV did his bit.
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Omatje
Minmatar
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:00:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:00:33
Originally by: Moghydin
Lord, if you hated ASCN and HC so deeply why the hell you suffered for 7 months? The answer always was within a distance of a pair of mouse clicks.
But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat
Might
As well
Train
Another
Race
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:03:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Omatje
But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat
I'm sorry but that angle doesn't work anymore.. Lord XsiV has a combat record, i.e he fought BoB, killed and lost ships for the cause, as would be expected from a pilot in an alliance during time of war.
So he hasn't been hiding.
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:09:00 -
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So dear Lord,
Hasn't it occured to you that maybe when EDF posted:
Quote:
EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun.
That downsizing was aimed to getting rid of people like you?
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Hast
I find the fact that ASCN getting flamed without proof comedy gold
oh the irony of the ASCN members demanding proof for these baseless accusations.
Its just priceless.
I know, it is very funny.
Originally by: Blacklight
I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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Omatje
Minmatar
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:12:18
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Omatje
But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat
I'm sorry but that angle doesn't work anymore.. Lord XsiV has a combat record, i.e he fought BoB, killed and lost ships for the cause, as would be expected from a pilot in an alliance during time of war.
So he hasn't been hiding.
And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away?
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Omatje
Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:00:33
Originally by: Moghydin
Lord, if you hated ASCN and HC so deeply why the hell you suffered for 7 months? The answer always was within a distance of a pair of mouse clicks.
But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat
Yeh, I dunno his combat record (seems info is coming out now?) but everytime I came on, Xsiv was in a fleet/gang. I even thought he was part of the pvp legion for a long time. Only found out the other day that he was a miner like me. That might be what drove him up the wall.
I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war! |
UniSol 2500
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:14:00 -
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Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board.
If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard.
I'm trying to make sence of it.
Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno.
Ugly thread tbo.
Uni.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: UniSol 2500
Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board.
If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard.
I'm trying to make sence of it.
Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno.
Ugly thread tbo.
Uni.
Well, at least he is allowed to post here...
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:15:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Mi Lai
So dear Lord,
Hasn't it occured to you that maybe when EDF posted:
Quote:
EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun.
That downsizing was aimed to getting rid of people like you?
Thats not the point.. the point is that the EDF blog implies that EDF is getting ready for ASCN's demise.... and if that is the case... it is quite possible that corp assets are getting shipped out to safety.
And thats not even the most worrying thing for ASCN.... EDF as a backbone corp and John McReedy as a a member of the HC help in setting the tone for the alliance.
What Lord Xsiv has been saying is that EDF CEO's/Directors are not the only ones looking out for number one.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 19:20:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Omatje
And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away?
Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible.
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