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etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:13:00 - [151] soooo.....exotic dancer shipment or what?
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:23:00 - [152] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 07:26:32 ] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Lots of forum poo Yes, yes you know everything there is to know about 0.0 and alliance warfare: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445287 Edit: my url link skills suck too got no cool sig
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:24:00 - [153] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:24:26 Aww, better brush up on those reading comprehension skills there. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:13:00 - [154] You are so right Mud Pandemonium, but you also know that they aren't ready to face it yet. Just as Xetic, as soon as there will be a diplomatic alternative, they will stop fighting and ASCN name will vanish. Fact is they have dedicated fighters that really do the right job. Fact is they are not enough. How de you except keeping a corefleet full of hardcore pvpers when you had a half year of total peace ? Xetic was the mistaken model, but seems that ASCN formers dont have the ability to learn lessons, we see that everyday. BoB is here, and will not give an opportunity to ASCN to survive as our great commanders deciced. BoB is only hardcore pvpers that didnt show all its power yet... This is not a flame but facts. I respect a lot ASCN for what they achived in the game. But again, the model was mistaken and as it is, it can't stand against what they tried to wake up. ASCN : keep fighting and having fun, that's the only thing left to you. ____________________________________ You hated ATUK and ATUK loved you for that.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:46:00 - [155] Edited by: Ashen Brarn on 18/12/2006 08:46:37 Originally by: Omatje Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Lots of forum poo PA Forum Journal - 03 July, 2004 CAOD 101: Credibility: Attack the player, not the post. You will gain fora points by simply clicking on the avatar picture of whomever is attacking our alliance and shredding the former posts made asking in general discussion/ships and modules etc., as opposed to answering the claims made in the relevant thread. These can be exploited for experience attacks, do not forget to link to the actual post for maximum effect and hilarity. Despite the content, hopefully the readers may simply dismiss the content due to "newb content" when the author does not have at least a year of experience, regardless of what may be insightful observation and/or content. Unfortunately, this can cut both ways. Remember this when posting with alts. ---
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:55:00 - [156] /clap, well said.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:56:00 - [157] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question you how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. got no cool sig
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:56:00 - [158] One thing is for a corpmember to have differencies towards the corp your currently contracted with another is a corporations wow's towards the codes in an alliance. I can understand frustration but I do not understand to take intnernal affairs out in the open like here on Galnet. When you have taken a vow, a sacred commitment towards a holy quest, a political stand, or as an idealist with burning fire one does not toss such things away with slander on Galnet without loosing credibility. From my personal point of view no matter how sincere your motives are, you havent only dragged yourself into the mud but taken the hole corporation with you as well. Plan Neun "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:08:00 - [159] Originally by: Omatje Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question you how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. Anyone can see that you attacked my credibility, not my opinion. A few did infact. By your logic, anybody who lives in empire would have no clue what is going on in the BoB v.s. ASCN war. Even though you can talk to people, read the forums, read personal blogs on the matter. Please don't be so ignorant as to think that only 0.0 folk know what is going on within the game universe. But that isn't why you linked to my old post now was it? No, you had no way to counter my opinion, you simply dismissed everything I said as "forum poo" and proceeded to attack my credibility because I don't have a Pro-ASCN stance. Omatje, before you write your next post please try to think of exactly what you're writing and why you're writing it. We should end this threadjack now, if you believe yourself able to think on your toes I welcome you to contact me in-game. Please bring something more than ad hominem attacks and senseless backpeddling when called on your conduct.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:17:00 - [160] 'If a monk doesn't like his temple, he simply has to leave.' old saying So, if you don't like what ASCN does... then leave, like I did. Even if you write on forums, all they will do is threaten you, then probably kick you out and put you on black list. I got threatened, then I quit ASCN, (but most people think I was kicked out.) then was put on black list. It's what they do, which is what they do best. Whatever you say that makes them angry, they either decide to ignore, or try to make your life harder. So, what you write will not change what they are. I suggest that you look for another corps. ------------------------------

Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:31:00 - [161] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 09:45:05 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium But that isn't why you linked to my old post now was it? No, you had no way to counter my opinion, you simply dismissed everything I said as "forum poo" and proceeded to attack my credibility because I don't have a Pro-ASCN stance. OK let's go there: Quote: This is my personal opinion, open to attacks and criticism. I just did, and you seem unhappy about it. Quote: ASCN is nothing more than a cancerous tumor, festering. So you say ASCN is unhealthy for Eve and that when we continue to live, Eve will die or our disease might spread out to other alliances? Quote: Their leadership is laughable, their organization more so. Would we really have come this far, if we wouldn't have any organisation? Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. So because we won't role over and die, we are parasites? Quote: I look forward to the day when Band of Brothers finally crushes every single one of you like the fightless cowards you are. Yes we are all cowards, that's why we don't loose any ships. Quote: However, I'm fairly sure you'll do as you've always done. Rob them of any sort of victory in the eyes of EVE by spinning your own propaganda about them. Can you give an example? In this conflict there is only 1 type of victory, and we both aren't there. You are slandering an alliance that has build something in 0.0, that has made a part of Eve that wasn't there before. You have never contributed to anyhing like that so far. I think you made a right decision by coming to 0.0, but you have quite a few things to learn. got no cool sig
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:55:00 - [162] Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. ASCN tactics these days have been to slow the enemy down and question every single move they make on the forums. Including and not limited to accusations of hacking ASCN PCs, accusations of bug exploitation and sending out the message that when it comes to forum conduct.. hypocrisy is ok. This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. As far as I can tell at the moment ASCN is one completely disorganized apathetic and outright obnoxious alliance. You have come very far indeed. Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Your inability to see the crushing domination Band of Brothers has over you, with your continual habitation of systems that could be used for better purposes..does infact make you a parasite. Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Band of Brothers is working diligently, slowly but surely to remove you from the systems you currently infect. It is no longer a conflict, it is a cleansing. The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. ASCN will be wiped from EVE forever. Have fun being a footnote in the history of the EVE universe. Now I believed I asked you to contact me in-game if you had anything else to say.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:05:00 - [163] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game.
Freyu Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:15:00 - [164] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. Yes pls enlighten me:) Quote: This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. You still show no arguments. Quote: Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Still.. no arguments, only propaganda. Quote: Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. So you are saying we post more loss mails on our boards then there acutally are? Again.. propaganda. Quote: There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Wo said there is no conflict anymore? Quote: The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. I am sure you have vivid dreams about ASCN not being in Eve and all, but fights are still going on. I have one more piece of advise for you: Don't read to much of the bob propaganda going around on these forums, you are getting infected. Allthough those posts might contain things that are true or not, the arguments and facts in them are washed away in a lot of drivel.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:16:00 - [165] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 10:18:15 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. Yes pls enlighten me:) Quote: This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. You still show no arguments. Quote: Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Still.. no arguments, only propaganda. Quote: Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. So you are saying we post more loss mails on our boards then there acutally are? Again.. propaganda. Quote: There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Wo said there is no conflict anymore? Quote: The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. I am sure you have vivid dreams about ASCN not being in Eve and all, but fights are still going on. I have one more piece of advise for you: Don't read to much of the bob propaganda going around on these forums, you are getting infected. Allthough those posts might contain things that are true or not, the arguments and facts in them are washed away in a lot of drivel. Edit: my last post in this thread i'm eating up too much forum space already. got no cool sig
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:37:00 - [166] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. Why you allways need to counter a post full of arguments by easy, useless, unproven accusations ? Is it the same when you counter our superiority on the battlefield saying we only use propaganda, spying and exploiting ? So weak you are. ____________________________________ You hated ATUK and ATUK loved you for that.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:39:00 - [167] Originally by: Omatje a lot of forum prout Oh noes, not the propaganda joker card again
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:49:00 - [168] Originally by: Omatje Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 09:08:15 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. but unfortunately, flying with us he'll learn more in 2 weeks that most of ASCN's pilots could have learned in 1 year. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:56:00 - [169] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:57:00 - [170] Edited by: Omeega on 18/12/2006 10:57:32 Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Omatje a lot of forum prout Oh noes, not the propaganda joker card again Je suis d'accord avec toi... les choses changent on dirait. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:07:00 - [171] Edited by: Helen on 18/12/2006 11:07:05 Stop showing off Omeega, we all know you are the l33t forum wh*re.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:14:00 - [172] Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 18/12/2006 11:07:05 Stop showing off Omeega, we all know you are the l33t forum wh*re. <3 Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:18:00 - [173] Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 11:20:26 tbh i agree largely with Mud Pandemonium on these points.. Originally by: Omatje OK let's go there: Quote: ASCN is nothing more than a cancerous tumor, festering. So you say ASCN is unhealthy for Eve and that when we continue to live, Eve will die or our disease might spread out to other alliances? It could be considered "unhealthy" for exist in 0.0 and positively try to avoid PVP. And by spread, it could be argued that is what NAP's do. Originally by: Omatje Quote: Their leadership is laughable, their organization more so. Would we really have come this far, if we wouldn't have any organisation? Again it should be pointed out that, the weaknesses in your leadership has been shown up lately. The quote you make didnt say it was non existant in every way. There is no doubt that you have organised your members enough to build alot of items (outposts/titans etc), but then so have other organisation, with alot less members, so you could question how effectively the organisation was.. and then your PVP organisation was and still is non existant. Originally by: Omatje Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. So because we won't role over and die, we are parasites? Not reading the orginal post i may take this out of context, but i would point to my reply to the first of the quotes, as a partial answer. ASCN spammed POS's in PS, making no attempt to defend them, basically hoping that our capital fleet would get bored killing them, you consider might consider that "not rolling over and dying", personnally i dont, i consider it a bad attempt at propaganda.. "yay! we're still trying to hold PS we have xx POS in the station systems" Originally by: Omatje Quote: I look forward to the day when Band of Brothers finally crushes every single one of you like the fightless cowards you are. Yes we are all cowards, that's why we don't loose any ships. while i probably wont term you cowards, i also wouldnt argue losing ships makes you not cowards.. Originally by: Omatje Quote: However, I'm fairly sure you'll do as you've always done. Rob them of any sort of victory in the eyes of EVE by spinning your own propaganda about them. Can you give an example? In this conflict there is only 1 type of victory, and we both aren't there. You are slandering an alliance that has build something in 0.0, that has made a part of Eve that wasn't there before. You have never contributed to anyhing like that so far. I think you made a right decision by coming to 0.0, but you have quite a few things to learn. While the war is still dribbling along.. on a battle level the examples are obvious.. this applies everytime ASCN have accused us of hacking, GM exploits, etc etc.. everytime you makes a bad excuse for losing a titan.. many many examples tbh.. Your titan loses looks largely like a mistake on your part, (and some excellent work by our co op pilots) but even though we killed the titan while it was offline, to assess it merely on that level ignores the work to put you in the situation in the first place.. the weeks of combat and POS killing that has forced ASCN to commit the titan to combat, something ASCN had tried to avoid from the start of the war..
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:20:00 - [174] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Err you just did? And wasn't I just responding to a long whining post to one of your corp members? Try harder.
Datu Puki	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 - [175] I can't be bothered reading 6 pages of banter, so does anyone know how much cyvok lifted from the tresurery? if it's a lot then hahaha
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 - [176] Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 11:20:26 It could be considered "unhealthy" for exist in 0.0 and positively try to avoid PVP. And by spread, it could be argued that is what NAP's do. Are you sure about this? From my personal experience, I can tell you that I was going up to 25-30 jumps to find targets 2 weeks after I joined ASCN, and I wasn't doing this alone. I was also looking forward to your weekly "visits" of our space just before the war started. "Running away from PvP" - I don't think so. As to NAPs - BoB doesn't have NAPs? BoB doesn't have friendly alliances/corps? Get real, every alliance has allies. It's politics, and in political game you can't survive without allies. Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. To the quote of that strange AAA member, I would consider parasites those who farm complexes for many shadowy purposes and made logoffski their registered trademark, you can argue that it's part of "game mechanics", but I guess you are wrong. Originally by: thoth foc while i probably wont term you cowards, i also wouldnt argue losing ships makes you not cowards.. You are a bit unclear here, but If I understand you correctly, then you say, that losing ships in fights doesn't prove that someone is not coward? If I misunderstood you, then sorry. If that's what you mean, then what should person do to not be considered coward? Does only bringing HACs or faction ships to fight will prove that? Then I have news for you, many ppl, me included, don't bring that staff to battle not because they are afraid to lose it, but because they can't afford to lose it. When I have my own Vagabond BPO, or some other nice source of unlimited income, you'll see me in HAC with faction gear every time. Originally by: thoth foc While the war is still dribbling along.. on a battle level the examples are obvious.. this applies everytime ASCN have accused us of hacking, GM exploits, etc etc.. everytime you makes a bad excuse for losing a titan.. many many examples tbh.. So, you say, every time we lose, we accuse you of using hax and exploiting? Are you serious? Many would agree with me, that BoB is one of the best PvP forces in Eve, and many times you win because you are better in PvP, I'm not afraid to give credit where its due. Sometimes you use tactics that I despise - spies, TS spies and such. I wouldn't use them, but I'm only a soldier on the field. I don't know what I would do if I had to make decision on alliance level. I have no idea, why you try so hard to demonize ASCN, as presenting us as whiners, cowards, etc, etc. Lets keep the fight on the battlefield and smack free, without throwing mud at each other on forums or in local. But, I guess, some ppl just love that extra attention that they think smacking gives them
Deirdre Skye Caldari Capital Traders	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:06:00 - [177] OP: Nepereta c/o Deirdre like you I had issues with the way I felt ascn was managed. So I left. Its really simple. Leave on better terms next time you leave a corp.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:19:00 - [178] I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:28:00 - [179] Originally by: Smith I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable Not if Christiano Ronaldo can stop it! --------------------
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:28:00 - [180] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Err you just did? And wasn't I just responding to a long whining post to one of your corp members? Try harder. he's wining? as I see it he's just wishing for a faster ASCN demise. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...



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