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Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 14:55:21 Sorry guys, I am still working on my forum warrior skills, with just purchasing 'topic posting' and training it to level 1. thanks for the tip on getting it together in wordpad first, so hopefully this works.. So on with the show. As I mentioned in another thread that should be coming to its end full course, I am starting up another thread to discuss the deficiencies of ASCN, why it went all wrong and the reason why it cannot be 'fixed'. In the process I have grabbed a few post holdings and I already see the someone has jumped in with a space for rent holder. Dam forum trolls. I will be making reference to quotations made on alliance/corp forums so no doubt there will be some whine about it not being fair, hax, cheating, exploiting, etc but that is the ASCN way of covering up for a deficiency; blame others. It is generally accepted that ASCN alliance security is lax and pretty much non-existant so the informaiton is in the public domain anyhow. Interestingly enough, EDF will be surprised at the x-posting form their forums as they have already removed my access but unbeknown to them it is basically publicly accessable as well. To start off, I like to first put out a comparison to enlighten the community to get a basic foundational understanding for which they can relate. Being a big fan of movies, the one that closest comes to mind for this case is V for Vendetta although I was really leaning towards Orwell's classic 1984 but thought it might be a bit too much. In Vendetta, the evil government controlled the population using FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and doubt) to maintain complete command. ASCN HC can be reffered to as the evil government with various players representing the personas of that government's inner circle. Anyone not towing the party line was 'black bagged' and never heard form again. The media was 100% controlled by the government and all information was 'cleansed' prior to distribution. For my part, I seem to be playing the role of the investigator, who during the course of his investigation discovers the real truth behind the mechanics of the evil empire as V goes about accomplishing his goal of overthrowing the government. V can be reffered to as bob, which is somewhat of an anamoly, however the drive and determination to complete an objective can easily be related. Ironic how ASCN's motto, Strength through Unit, Unity through Feyth is the same as the evil government's in that movie.... So go watch it and see for yourself. Ok, on to the juicy tidbits now that I have made you read all that. Now let's establish the reason why I fell out of line with the party line. The root cause can be first found within the EDF corp where it was asked if we should even stay in ASCN.... [Quote:] Ascendent Frontier ASCN when it first formed, was formed on the principle of everyone fights. At first we where a very strong Alliance where people would be afriad to come down to raid our space because when they did, they'd be blobbed off the map. The apitome of this was during the EC-P campaign where we camped the EC-P stystem for 5 days straight whilst BoB and The5 took out G's Capital Yards. This lead to G disbanding and reforming as D2. At some point we lost our way and became soft. Raiders would come and people would dock or expect corps like EDF, CoRM, IXC and CLS etc. to do the killing. When DDC, EOG and Solst split off to become AXE, the balance was never redressed, despite Drakma and I long saying we needed to get out of the mentality of being a hobbit - i.e. and contrary to popular opinion that it meant we where carebears, it meant we had a policy of keep your nose out of our business and we'll keep it out of yours. This made us soft. [End quote] Now continuing on with quotes, let me post this in regards to the 'fearless leader' known as Cyvok. cont'
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:51:00 - [2] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 14:56:48 [Quote:] The BoB war When we first started, we outnumbered BoB 3-1. Problem is not enough people wanted to get involved. Cyvok refused to listen to Drakma, Virtuozzo, Gilbert and I about getting tough with corps and kicking them out if need be. As a result, we reached the point we have today with the apathy that's set in. As you all know, ASCN was even sat on its collective arse Then we lost the Titan, 0OY to underhanded tactics and Cyvok left and Virt took over. The problem is it looks like nothing has changed with the new Executor. The problem doesn't lie with Virt, nor HC. It lies with too few CEOs being willing to kick out members who don't want to get involved. This has left the board awfully stressed and burnt out. [End quote] So let me ask you if I am the only one who shares the same sentiments of whether the alliance has let its own members down? If you have corporaitons in the alliance that are already asking its members their opinion on whether to continue or not with the alliance, doesn't that bring some questions up? ASCN in typical fashion would rather hold me up as a scape goat than deal with their issues. Going back to the movie comparison, it is easier for them to blag bag someone than deal with the truth. [Quote:] Can EDF do me a favor and resolve this issue with Lord Xsiv? Even though he's been smacking the crap out of us on the forums, I gave him a chance to stop and bring his complaints here. Then he smacked us some more. I don't care if you kick then KOS, or just kick him, but he had ample opportunity to not be an ass and take his stuff back to empire if he hates ASCN so much. [end quote] Coming from one of the remaining leaders, this is a prime example of how a person is treated in ASCN when they don't agree 100% with the dictators group. To show an example of how far these people believe there control mechnisms are entrenched, let me give another quote from the same person: 'You may not like how he left the alliance, or him as a person. You're entitled to feel how you want. You're not allowed to come on the Eve-online forums, and blast people. ' So, because I disagree with leaders using unexperienced players as meatshields, I am outcast. To the remaining people in ASCN, just remember this. Now for the propaganda, and I will take a quote from one of their frontman in public relations. [Quote:] Let the Xsiv situation alone. If I know McCreedy, Xsiv will be lucky if all he gets is a booting. [End quote.] Sure. rusty spoon and all. Boo hoo. Let me say this. First I said I wasn't going to talk about John as the corp already knows my opinions on that issue. If they want to open it up publicly, so be it, I can play in that arena as well. It will be equally as entertaining. As for John coming after me, it would be his worst mistake. Unlike the others who he ostracized (sp) over the past number of years in the game, I have a tendancy to fight back. And I can truthfully say that I do have the resources to take it to him if he wants to go down that path. Plus I am one determined SoB.... Ok enough of that, so what went wrong with ASCN? Well first, Cyvok was only in it for the shiny toy and the scam that running an alliance of carebears would allow him to pull off. That is pretty much old news. Only ASCN members deny it as they are unable to see the forest through the trees. Cycok was always busy with amdinistration duties. Hogwash. He just told people what he wanted and others did the work for him. He wanted outposts to build his legacy, not that of ASCN. It is him that gets to run around and claim that he did that. He forgot, or more than likely ignored a simple fact in EVe that if you build it, you have to be able to defend it. Because of his ego mongering to grow quickly he decided that defenses were unimportant. You are now seeing the results of those decisions.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:53:00 - [3] Now it would have been ok if his tact was to use politics to ensure that ASCN space was not to be invaded. Unfortunately his ego got in the way of that as he believed no one in the game was at the same level as ASCN. It was that egotistical attitude that he spread throughout ASCN, which helped instill the fear foundation in the member base to ensure control. Afterall, if ASCN was so great and couldn't be attacked/taken out of the game, any player would be silly to jeopardize themselves by ticking ASCN off. SO most went aobut their merry way doing what they were told. Now we come to the point that it was all some great facade. So having said that, it is no great surprise that he quit. As all of the assets (corp, alliance) have already been moved to empire and available for him when he comes back after his 'break', this is nothing different than any of the other scams that have been perpetrated in Eve over the years. Interestingly enough however, the take on this haul must be far surpassing as the notorious tax rates from a rich region netted quite a bit more than what people are accustomed to. think about it, you have 4000 or more carebears working for which you are draining 10% off of. So essentially you have 400 people working for you full time in a game to fatten your wallet. Realize this has been done for a very long time, so the stockpile is huge. The opportune moment came for him to leave the game and he took it. And don't think CLF or STK hasn't done the same thing. the little trip over to fountain was just an explanation for the trip they took up to empire with all the assets. It was mentioned on TS several nights ago that it was discovered that most corps haven't even touched their war reserves. Wonder why? Maybe its because they were already moved to empire? Maybe it is because those corps know that it was a lost battle and were prepared beforehand? We may never know the 100% truth but assumptions will be close enough. So with that being said, ASCN is left in shambles. Not that it mattered much as bob tactics are well planned out and executed. I can say that now having experienced from the other side of the playing field getting thumped on a regular basis. It is one thing to slam an opponent for dirty cheats if they exist, but it takes pride to admit that you were ooutdone by a stronger opponent. ASCN has no pride and this is something I cannot agree with. Rather than admit deficiencies and do things to remediate them, they were always blaming something else. It was standard doctrine for us to be told to petition all losses regardless, as even if there wasn't a valid reason, at least 1 in 3 would be fullfilled. This kind of behaviour is not something I or many others in the alliance want to be associated with and as a result, here is where we are today... So to sumarize, ASCN if you are looking for a reason as to why you are losing, here they are in order: 1. You were scammed by Cyvok 2. Your leadership doesn't understand the game mechanics, nor is willing to learn them 3. Your leadership still tries to maintain control using FUD tactics 4. You have ticked off most of Eve and have basically become a laughingstock 5. Your corps don't want to fight 6. You have absolutely no control over your communications 7. You still don't have a strategy 8. You fail to listen to anyone with common sense 9. You are in denial 10. You have failed to realize that you are losing As for a solution, there is only one. Give up. Most of your valuables are back up in empire anyhow. So that's about it. Sorry to dissaspoint, but I tell it how it is. I was set free and this is what happens. I can say quite frankly that the leadership in ASCN isn't too bright; I am not dealing with mensa members here. As you can tell they are already trying to discredit me on the forums, which is all fine and andy but deep down they know it to be the truth. Now I get to go pew pew. I see I am now kos
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:57:00 - [4] 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
Larsson7 Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:58:00 - [5] I escrowed you a flame suit in Jita. Suggest you get there and put it on asap
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:01:00 - [6] Lord Nobody, don't you know you can't get into bob just by sucking thier balls, you actually have to be a good fighter?
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:02:00 - [7] Hahaha, some interesting views you have there. A shame you can't back anything up. And ASCN HC doesn't have to worry about discrediting you, you do a good job yourself. If you felt so oppressed, why exactly did you stay for 10 months?
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:04:00 - [8] Here's a tissue __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord XSiV ASCN HC can be reffered to as the evil government with various players representing the personas of that government's inner circle. Anyone not towing the party line was 'black bagged' and never heard form again. The media was 100% controlled by the government and all information was 'cleansed' prior to distribution. What a load of Bull****. Mods pls lock this thread Don't be a great man just be a man
INSIDEMANALT Amarr TEAM LULZ	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. qtf
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:05:00 - [11] There's a special circle of Eve-Hell reserved for gutless weasels like you. ------------------
Miramax Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:09:00 - [12] meh, props for posting with your main i actually think your post makes sense,but hell who am i?
Milena Rage The Aftermath	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Miramax meh, props for posting with your main i actually think your post makes sense,but hell who am i? ditto
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:11:00 - [14] K .. Lord X1v welcome to centre stage. First of all.. what are your credentials? Who are you? Do you have a record of combat? perhaps with another alt, if so pls provide details. Only an active combatant can stand where you are standing and say the things you are saying with any moral highground. Secondly... you are not revealing a whole lot about ASCN that isn't already common knowledge. Your thread is actually pretty tame... but there is one thing that is very interesting. You say ASCN CEO's and corporations including CYVOK have already packed up the family silver and packed it off to empire.. this in time of war is tantamount to treason. Do you have any proof of this? Its a semi-interesting thread but without the information I have pointed out, its not very exciting.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:11:00 - [15] Originally by: killerco Originally by: Lord XSiV ASCN HC can be reffered to as the evil government with various players representing the personas of that government's inner circle. Anyone not towing the party line was 'black bagged' and never heard form again. The media was 100% controlled by the government and all information was 'cleansed' prior to distribution. What a load of Bull****. Mods pls lock this thread So when an ASCN member throws around bs about BoB it's ok, but when it's about ASCN you're the first one to scream for a lock? Thats hillarious.
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:11:00 - [16] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445799 Quote: Alternatively, it would make me wonder if there is some censorship happening due to some bias from ISD members being part of the conflict which might get people confused since it has been indoctrined that all devs/gms are in Bob :) What was that about ASCN members accusing/blaming other factors every time things don't go their way? Yeh, you're ASCN through and through mate. Any idiot could see why the thread was closed, but you had to accuse the mod of bias. If EDF did not question its members on their feelings regarding ASCN after a week of demoralising blows then what kind of corp would it be? I imagine it'd be exactly what you're trying to portray it as. Nobody allowed to speak, critiscise or discuss. I see you failed to tell everyone how the poll turned out. Whats that, we are strongly in agreement with the idea of continueing? Quitters we must be. How can you accuse ASCN of stifling free speech when you have so many 'interesting' threads to quote? How can you critiscise FCs for their pvp performance when a MINER who was ordered to MINE was out there in their gang ****ing about the FCing? In regards to corps not using all their wallet, maybe they wanted to know how best to spend it first? Maybe they're waiting for cap skills to finish? Did you even ask? Or just assume? The corp leaders could have lied and said they were pouring the big bucks in (btw, how much do all those pos cost to run a day?) but they were honest with us. Yeh, real Draconian there ;) Only 5 hours left! I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!*
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: killerco Originally by: Lord XSiV ASCN HC can be reffered to as the evil government with various players representing the personas of that government's inner circle. Anyone not towing the party line was 'black bagged' and never heard form again. The media was 100% controlled by the government and all information was 'cleansed' prior to distribution. What a load of Bull****. Mods pls lock this thread So when an ASCN member throws around bs about BoB it's ok, but when it's about ASCN you're the first one to scream for a lock? Thats hillarious. No, what he said was that it's all lies. This Lord guy obviously has no clue how ASCN ran/was run. Maybe he's confusing corp policies with alliance policies I don't know....
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Sinlare So when an ASCN member throws around bs about BoB it's ok, but when it's about ASCN you're the first one to scream for a lock? i never said that now did i? Don't be a great man just be a man
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:16:00 - [19] Edited by: Weebear on 17/12/2006 15:16:50 You know it's a useless thread when you have to agree with Nez
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:17:00 - [20] You played right into BoB's hands. You're the puppet, not Cyv0k or the rest of ASCN. Bravo to you for your stupidity and to BoB for once again playing an effective propaganda on their enemy. It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) Originally by: Raste Haha, you're the guy used to beg into gatecamps outside Rebilier and then not shoot at anything because you weren't in an NBSI alliance.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 17/12/2006 15:17:29 XSiV, you write well. But, if I were running ASCN - or EDF - you'd have been kicked months ago. If you have issues with your corp, leave. I have salvaged some truth from your post.. Originally by: "Lord KSiV" there will be some whine about it not being fair, hax, cheating, exploiting, etc but that is the ASCN way of covering up for a deficiency; blame others. This is a CYVOK and McCreedy trait but hopefully it won't hold up for the new leadership.. The answer for ASCN is simple. Keep fighting. - --------- snip - no profanity allowed in sigs, even if McCreedy said it - Tirg
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Kyguard Bravo to you for your stupidity and to BoB for once again playing an effective propaganda on their enemy. QFT Don't be a great man just be a man
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:20:00 - [23] Originally by: EnglishBob There's a special circle of Eve-Hell reserved for gutless weasels like you. QFT.
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:23:00 - [24] I was planning on being all indignant and irritated at this post, but the level of BS is so high that I, quite literally, burst out laughing as I read. Dude, if you want to trash your (soon to be former) alliance, at least throw a few facts in with the fiction. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 15:15:23 K .. Lord Xsiv welcome to centre stage. First of all.. what are your credentials? Who are you? Do you have a record of combat? perhaps with another alt, if so pls provide details. Only an active combatant in the ASCN vs BoB war can stand where you are standing and say the things you are saying with any moral highground. Secondly... you are not revealing a whole lot about ASCN that isn't already common knowledge. Your thread is actually pretty tame... but there is one thing that is very interesting. You say ASCN CEO's and corporations including CYVOK have already gathered the family silver and packed it off to empire.. this in time of war is tantamount to treason. Do you have any proof of this? Its a semi-interesting thread but without the information I have pointed out, its not very exciting. [edit:typo] Valid questions deserve valid answers....Unfortunately the turnip crew has reared its ugly head.... Credentials - I do stuff. Fun stuff now. Yes I do have a record for combat. It would be with alts though :( . In fact, if you will peruse the Edf forums you will see I got named most improved pvp'er for the month of August. Not that I consider that a boasting accomplishment, but it is there to answer your question. The thread was tame as it was intended to illicit a reaction form ASCN. I can blather on for hours and hours but it would have very little impact in comparison to having them post for all to see their own incompetence. As it is, already ther eis a nice listing of posts from ASCN members already - heck some of them forgot to change their tickers and revealed which other alliances they have alts in.... Proof is something that can be disputed as we have seen time and time again on these forums. Photoshopping pics, TS recordings, etc it has all be done. So I ask you this, please define what non-repudiation evidence would be deemed acceptable and I would have to tell you that ther eis no such thing as non-repudiation in this game. Regardless, it doesn't matter, if they don't want to take the info, then so be it, it is their loss. Sorry to dissapoint (I knew osme would be let down) but I just woke up and still a little bit groggy. You still might get some goodies if John decides to throw down the gauntlet.....
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Vrizuh http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445799 Quote: Alternatively, it would make me wonder if there is some censorship happening due to some bias from ISD members being part of the conflict which might get people confused since it has been indoctrined that all devs/gms are in Bob :) What was that about ASCN members accusing/blaming other factors every time things don't go their way? Yeh, you're ASCN through and through mate. Any idiot could see why the thread was closed, but you had to accuse the mod of bias. If EDF did not question its members on their feelings regarding ASCN after a week of demoralising blows then what kind of corp would it be? I imagine it'd be exactly what you're trying to portray it as. Nobody allowed to speak, critiscise or discuss. I see you failed to tell everyone how the poll turned out. Whats that, we are strongly in agreement with the idea of continueing? Quitters we must be. How can you accuse ASCN of stifling free speech when you have so many 'interesting' threads to quote? How can you critiscise FCs for their pvp performance when a MINER who was ordered to MINE was out there in their gang *****ing about the FCing? In regards to corps not using all their wallet, maybe they wanted to know how best to spend it first? Maybe they're waiting for cap skills to finish? Did you even ask? Or just assume? The corp leaders could have lied and said they were pouring the big bucks in (btw, how much do all those pos cost to run a day?) but they were honest with us. Yeh, real Draconian there ;) Only 5 hours left! Vr, you are a good kid and play your heart out. I probably kept my mouth shut for way too long on the festering that was going on in the alliance. Anyhow, when it was obvious nothing was going to be done about it and the status quo maintained, something needed to be said.
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:36:00 - [27] Dude, if you don't like corp or alliance - leave it. before you come to public community forums to spit on your alliance try to do it on private forums. If you aren't listened there - leave. There is some valid points and facts in your initial post. But there is a bunch of trash as well. Tbqh if you don't like it - what are you still doing in it? - leave... It is as simple as that. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:36:00 - [28] In this guys entire spell of membership, 10months and 9days He has had 1 loss, an Apoc This is the same as our killboard and BOBs, Obvious Alt. ZOMG A BOB ALT!! GGRRRRR!!! ....no really, defo an alt, but could be any1 maybe another attempt from a thrid party to jump on bandwagon and grief us.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Malius Lord Nobody, don't you know you can't get into bob just by sucking thier balls, you actually have to be a good fighter? Yeah but a Goonie can get into Axe and steal all their pos stuff. :) Really, no that isn't the point of this exercise. I do respect bob as a group of players and for how they go about playing the game. As for sucking up to get in there, well that would be an insult to them as well as myself. Yes, proving oneself to be good at all elements of the game and not just a few areas is one of the requirements that is publicly known for bob recruitment. And I doubt foruwm trolling is one of the areas they count....
Blind Watchmaker Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:37:00 - [30] Quick Q for the OP. Why don't you give names of who you are quoting when you post quotes? Would make it a lot easier to follow what you are trying to say. ---------------------------------------
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:38:00 - [31] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 15:42:12 Originally by: Lord XSiV Yes I do have a record for combat. It would be with alts though :( . In fact, if you will peruse the Edf forums you will see I got named most improved pvp'er for the month of August. Not that I consider that a boasting accomplishment, but it is there to answer your question. I'm afraid thats not good enough.. who are your alts?.. so that the record of combat can be checked, your most active combat alt will suffice. Originally by: Lord Xsiv Proof is something that can be disputed as we have seen time and time again on these forums. Photoshopping pics, TS recordings, etc it has all be done. So I ask you this, please define what non-repudiation evidence would be deemed acceptable and I would have to tell you that ther eis no such thing as non-repudiation in this game. Regardless, it doesn't matter, if they don't want to take the info, then so be it, it is their loss. Again not good enough.... you must have chatlogs of CEO's/directors talking of transferring valuables to empire. You spoke of STK Scientific using their road trip to fountain as a cover for shipping valuables out of ASCN space. You spoke of CYVOK actually skimming 10% of ASCN earnings over the last years and stashing it away in empire. There must be chatlogs, internal directorial postings... anything, which ASCN would then have to disprove. You cannot then say that there is no proof of this.. because then you are guilty of exactly what ASCN have been doing by accusing BoB/CCP etc... of haxxors. What you have posted so far is in no way shape or form worth actually ratting on your former alliance mates. There is a word for that, its called a traitor. The onus is on you to provide proof of what you are saying.. otherwise the above label will be all you are left with.
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:41:00 - [32] I would say that since ASCN is still plugging away, and there isn't a mass forum outcry of "OMG all our ISK/mins/ships/**** is gone!" there hasn't been any plundering of said loot. - - -
Kahlil Dass Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:48:00 - [33] Negative attention is better than no attention at all, eh? Just being a bastard on the forums doesn't make you anything other than just another bastard on the forums. Are you a weasel in RL or do you just roleplay one?
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Malius Lord Nobody, don't you know you can't get into bob just by sucking thier balls, you actually have to be a good fighter? Yeah but a Goonie can get into Axe and steal all their pos stuff. What does our corp theft have to do with you sucking bob's balls, or losing 1 ship and whining in alliance channel all day about it?
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:53:00 - [35] Oh, and let me explain how the taxes worked, since this dude has no idea: For the first year to 14 months of ASCN's existance, CLS/DDC (until DDC left, then it was CLS) collected the 10% tax to fund alliance level projects such as the first outpost and the first dreadnaughts. When other corps built refining outposts, 5% of the tax went to CLS and the other 5% went to the owning corp. A few months ago, CLS stopped collecting taxes from other corps outposts completely, and only got tax from the ones belonging to CLS. The Titan was primarily built with the tax minerals collected over the months of ASCN's existance. I think the number was something like 80% of the build minerals came from CLS's stock (don't quote me on that, it was in a blog that I cba to dig up right now). The rest came from donations by various ASCN corps. Tax collected also paid for the POSs CLS maintains. There was no skimming. CYVOK as a player was, in fact, very poor, because he gave out most of his assets to people that were down on their luck and needed some insurance isk or a new BS because they lost their last one. The personal isk he did have he mostly made building and trading in empire on OOC alts. Yes, he flew many ships that were built with corp/alliance isk, but he flew them for the good of the alliance. Titan, freighters on his alts, etc. CYVOK worked his ass off for ASCN, and while he was by far not perfect (he IS human, just like the rest of us) he did a pretty damn good job. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:54:00 - [36] Lord Xsiv be a man i call you out 1 vs 1 man vs boy what is your contribution to EDF the lace you called home. you gave nothing you are a nobody and you deserve every thing you ever get. are you going to fight ascn are you going to fight EDF i hope you do as i will be there fighting where i will always be. there have been times where i could have easily given up the last year hell sometimes my wife wishes i had given up but no i was given a home i was given a dream and i made friends You are the worst sort of player you gave up and sold out you could have left and said nothing and you would have wales away with your head held high but you come on here and try to bring down what i fight for what i believe in what i stand for. You are no better than the person that offlined all our POS or the people who walk off with the corp wallet and ships.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:55:00 - [37] And to think ASCN complains about the BoB forum squad... -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Winamp required)
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Coasterbrian Oh, and let me explain how the taxes worked, since this dude has no idea: For the first year to 14 months of ASCN's existance, CLS/DDC (until DDC left, then it was CLS) collected the 10% tax to fund alliance level projects such as the first outpost and the first dreadnaughts. When other corps built refining outposts, 5% of the tax went to CLS and the other 5% went to the owning corp. A few months ago, CLS stopped collecting taxes from other corps outposts completely, and only got tax from the ones belonging to CLS. The Titan was primarily built with the tax minerals collected over the months of ASCN's existance. I think the number was something like 80% of the build minerals came from CLS's stock (don't quote me on that, it was in a blog that I cba to dig up right now). The rest came from donations by various ASCN corps. Tax collected also paid for the POSs CLS maintains. There was no skimming. CYVOK as a player was, in fact, very poor, because he gave out most of his assets to people that were down on their luck and needed some insurance isk or a new BS because they lost their last one. The personal isk he did have he mostly made building and trading in empire on OOC alts. Yes, he flew many ships that were built with corp/alliance isk, but he flew them for the good of the alliance. Titan, freighters on his alts, etc. CYVOK worked his ass off for ASCN, and while he was by far not perfect (he IS human, just like the rest of us) he did a pretty damn good job. QFT Don't be a great man just be a man
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:55:00 - [39] Kid? Gorramit, I'm 22. Im a kid +1! I dont really play my heart out. Ive been stuck in station for like 3 weeks thanks to work roster (but damn did I get a fat pay check! bam!) Im just like you. We know this, we've spoken before and you've seen my posts. The difference is that I made a choice. I privately raise issues or ideas with directors/ceo or troll through civis ascendant, sifting for what I want. Things werent always handled that great. Sadly, you proved why. The moment Cyvok was gone you started smacking about him, ASCN etc on eve-o. You engaged with so many players in a tone that really brought out more agitated posts. Maybe we were asked to not post to eve-o, exactly because the ones who need to post to a public messageboard that badly, are the ones who shouldnt be allowed in public. 4 hours, 15 minutes to go! I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Vrizuh 4 hours, 15 minutes to go! So you are actually leaving him behind in 0.0 ? EDF blog wasn't really clear this time -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:03:00 - [41] Oh nono. I'm counting down till I can go home. I'm doing the mad refresh on forums cos Im bored at work. I don't have any assembled ships that arent shuttles or tackler frigates atm. Xsiv is quite safe from me. Though I must admit, I'm really curious as to what his assets are that he feels he can take on John McCreedy. I mean, the guy accuses the corps of witholding funds right? And has only lost 1 apoc (until he names an alt). So how is it that he still has the resources to take on 'ol rusty spoon himself? I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
Al Franken The Liberal Media	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:08:00 - [42] 10% refining tax is more then fair. Actually it's pretty outstanding. Those POS's don't build and fuel themselves. You sound like a giant carebear who got upset that you could no longer mine for hours in peace. So yeah, you are a big part of the reason why ASCN isn't doing so hot right now, they let in a bunch of dead weight like you.
Aquemini Amarr Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. Death Merchant wins the thread. Congrats.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 15:42:12 Originally by: Lord XSiV Stuff I'm afraid thats not good enough.. who are your alts?.. so that the record of combat can be checked, your most active combat alt will suffice. Originally by: Lord Xsiv Proof is something that can be disputed as we have seen time and time again on these forums. Photoshopping pics, TS recordings, etc it has all be done. So I ask you this, please define what non-repudiation evidence would be deemed acceptable and I would have to tell you that ther eis no such thing as non-repudiation in this game. Regardless, it doesn't matter, if they don't want to take the info, then so be it, it is their loss. Again not good enough.... you must have chatlogs of CEO's/directors talking of transferring valuables to empire. You spoke of STK Scientific using their road trip to fountain as a cover for shipping valuables out of ASCN space. You spoke of CYVOK actually skimming 10% of ASCN earnings over the last years and stashing it away in empire. There must be chatlogs, internal directorial postings... anything, which ASCN would then have to disprove. You cannot then say that there is no proof of this.. because then you are guilty of exactly what ASCN have been doing by accusing BoB/CCP etc... of haxxors. What you have posted so far is in no way shape or form worth actually ratting on your former alliance mates. There is a word for that, its called a traitor. The onus is on you to provide proof of what you are saying.. otherwise the above label will be all you are left with. No sorry, I won't reveal them here on the forum. It does nothing but allow for future intelligence gathering.... Enough people know who I am, who my alts are and have already vouched. Plus how can you value spedning over 200 combat hours as a covops pilot? I would say that not having a loss would suffice, but then people would call that cheesy, etc. As for your other calls to provide 'evidence', well I will just let time provide that. This is a game, so just leave it at that as it isn't worth the effort much more than I have put into this. As for accusations, well, actually one could look at it this way. I however didn't bring it up as it was something to question as that would assume they could postualte some sort of defense. I just stated what I stated and I have given them no option to refute. Maybe you should be asking them for evidence that all those assets are not up in empire on some non-descript alt....Afterall wasn't that which was asked in the TS hacking claim thread by ASCN? Bob was supposed to provide proof that it wasn't them? It is ok for ASCN to have others prove their 'innocence' but it doesn't apply to them? Lots of interesting discussion points...
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Aquemini Amarr Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. Death Merchant wins the thread. Congrats. Known ASCN alt 4tw....At least whoever knows to deal with them now.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Lord XSiV No sorry, I won't reveal them here on the forum. Meaning you don't have it. End off thread Don't be a great man just be a man
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord XSiV No sorry, I won't reveal them here on the forum. It does nothing but allow for future intelligence gathering.... Then you don't have a leg to stand on. Originally by: Lord XsiV As for your other calls to provide 'evidence', well I will just let time provide that. This is a game, so just leave it at that as it isn't worth the effort much more than I have put into this. Maybe you should be asking them for evidence that all those assets are not up in empire on some non-descript alt....Afterall wasn't that which was asked in the TS hacking claim thread by ASCN? Bob was supposed to provide proof that it wasn't them? It is ok for ASCN to have others prove their 'innocence' but it doesn't apply to them? And were the baseless accusations of ASCN not laughed out of town for being unsubstantiated? You know what they say don't you.. "Proof or STFU" You are doing exactly what ASCN did, via people like Malachon countless others... baseless accusations with no proof. Originally by: Lord XsiV Lots of interesting discussion points... Actually no, there isn't anything interesting to discuss from what you have posted.. its not possible to discuss conjectures and random accusations. You won't even reveal your combat character.. I mean whats the point? Your words carry as much weight as some random alt picked off the pavements of Jita. If this is all you have to bring to the table.. it might be time to exit centre stage now, btw duck 'cause rotten tomatoes don't wash off too good. Dare I say it.. post with your main.. your combat main that is, if you indeed have one.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:35:00 - [48] Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:37:00 - [49] the reason ascn is loosin that badly is imo that there wasnt a single thought through strategy from the hc that they couldve sticked to. a good example was the pos spam in tpar, where they forgot to anchor guns in most towers.. then they changed tactics every week.. also the lack of good fcs mustve been frustrating for the average ascn member who lost bs after bs til their 3 to 1 numbers came down to 1 to 1 numbers.. its funny to see that they still didnt learn, right now were shooting prime orbital pos¦s down, they anchored 10 poses in nol, 8 of them not onlined.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Coasterbrian Oh, and let me explain how the taxes worked, since this dude has no idea: For the first year to 14 months of ASCN's existance, CLS/DDC (until DDC left, then it was CLS) collected the 10% tax to fund alliance level projects such as the first outpost and the first dreadnaughts. When other corps built refining outposts, 5% of the tax went to CLS and the other 5% went to the owning corp. A few months ago, CLS stopped collecting taxes from other corps outposts completely, and only got tax from the ones belonging to CLS. The Titan was primarily built with the tax minerals collected over the months of ASCN's existance. I think the number was something like 80% of the build minerals came from CLS's stock (don't quote me on that, it was in a blog that I cba to dig up right now). The rest came from donations by various ASCN corps. Tax collected also paid for the POSs CLS maintains. There was no skimming. CYVOK as a player was, in fact, very poor, because he gave out most of his assets to people that were down on their luck and needed some insurance isk or a new BS because they lost their last one. The personal isk he did have he mostly made building and trading in empire on OOC alts. Yes, he flew many ships that were built with corp/alliance isk, but he flew them for the good of the alliance. Titan, freighters on his alts, etc. CYVOK worked his ass off for ASCN, and while he was by far not perfect (he IS human, just like the rest of us) he did a pretty damn good job. You see Brian, that is the problem with ASCN and most of its members. You take everything at face value and don't even take anything into consideration that isn't towing the party line. In fact you do the opposite - if someone brings something up that questions integrity they are then immediately labelled a disturber and punted out to the curb. If you took a look at the history of my recent postings, they have escalated over time from when Cyvok quit the game. Now think about that. Could it be possible that I was bringing up things into question that were too sensitive for HC to answer as the answers to those questions could have finished off the rest of morale? I mean afterall, most people would leave if they knew that their corp reserves were sitting on an ooc alt in empire instead of being used for the war. Anyhow, in normal ASCN fashion, the inner circle decided it was best to use the black bag approach and silence as soon as possible. On eve-o forums that means getting the rank and file to spam the forums....
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lord XSiV No sorry, I won't reveal them here on the forum. It does nothing but allow for future intelligence gathering.... Then you don't have a leg to stand on. Originally by: Lord XsiV As for your other calls to provide 'evidence', well I will just let time provide that. This is a game, so just leave it at that as it isn't worth the effort much more than I have put into this. Maybe you should be asking them for evidence that all those assets are not up in empire on some non-descript alt....Afterall wasn't that which was asked in the TS hacking claim thread by ASCN? Bob was supposed to provide proof that it wasn't them? It is ok for ASCN to have others prove their 'innocence' but it doesn't apply to them? And were the baseless accusations of ASCN not laughed out of town for being unsubstantiated? You know what they say don't you.. "Proof or STFU" You are doing exactly what ASCN did, via people like Malachon countless others... baseless accusations with no proof. Originally by: Lord XsiV Lots of interesting discussion points... Actually no, there isn't anything interesting to discuss from what you have posted.. its not possible to discuss conjectures and random accusations. You won't even reveal your combat character.. I mean whats the point? Your words carry as much weight as some random alt picked off the pavements of Jita. If this is all you have to bring to the table.. it might be time to exit centre stage now, btw duck 'cause rotten tomatoes don't wash off too good. Dare I say it.. post with your main.. your combat main that is, if you indeed have one. Fine that is your opinion. From my understanding it isn't worth much anyhow. It isn't like someone made you forum god so that you can set the rules.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Lord XSiV Could it be possible that I was bringing up things into question that were too sensitive for HC to answer as the answers to those questions could have finished off the rest of morale? I mean afterall, most people would leave if they knew that their corp reserves were sitting on an ooc alt in empire instead of being used for the war. Proof.. combat character.. provide now.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Lord XSiV Anyhow, in normal ASCN fashion, the inner circle decided it was best to use the black bag approach and silence as soon as possible. On eve-o forums that means getting the rank and file to spam the forums.... Come with some proof or STFU Don't be a great man just be a man
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:44:00 - [54] Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/12/2006 16:45:37 Originally by: Lord XSiV You see Brian, that is the problem with ASCN and most of its members. You take everything at face value and don't even take anything into consideration that isn't towing the party line. In fact you do the opposite - if someone brings something up that questions integrity they are then immediately labelled a disturber and punted out to the curb. If you took a look at the history of my recent postings, they have escalated over time from when Cyvok quit the game. Now think about that. Could it be possible that I was bringing up things into question that were too sensitive for HC to answer as the answers to those questions could have finished off the rest of morale? I mean afterall, most people would leave if they knew that their corp reserves were sitting on an ooc alt in empire instead of being used for the war. Anyhow, in normal ASCN fashion, the inner circle decided it was best to use the black bag approach and silence as soon as possible. On eve-o forums that means getting the rank and file to spam the forums.... I just started laughing again. Hi. I'm Coasterbrian. I've got the 7th highest post count on the ASCN forums. I've been in CLS since I started playing two and a half years ago, and I've been flying under the leadership of CYVOK since my second day in game. Out of my two and a half years, I've been PvPing for all but my first three or four months in game. I assure you, I know precisely what I'm talking about. Much unlike yourself. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Lord XSiV From my understanding it isn't worth much anyhow. Aha.. flames now... I'm not accusing anybody of anything now am I? I have nothing to prove.. but you do. Its a shame I was looking forward to this thread.... it turned out to be quite disappointing.
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lord XSiV No sorry, I won't reveal them here on the forum. It does nothing but allow for future intelligence gathering.... Then you don't have a leg to stand on. Originally by: Lord XsiV As for your other calls to provide 'evidence', well I will just let time provide that. This is a game, so just leave it at that as it isn't worth the effort much more than I have put into this. Maybe you should be asking them for evidence that all those assets are not up in empire on some non-descript alt....Afterall wasn't that which was asked in the TS hacking claim thread by ASCN? Bob was supposed to provide proof that it wasn't them? It is ok for ASCN to have others prove their 'innocence' but it doesn't apply to them? And were the baseless accusations of ASCN not laughed out of town for being unsubstantiated? You know what they say don't you.. "Proof or STFU" You are doing exactly what ASCN did, via people like Malachon countless others... baseless accusations with no proof. Originally by: Lord XsiV Lots of interesting discussion points... Actually no, there isn't anything interesting to discuss from what you have posted.. its not possible to discuss conjectures and random accusations. You won't even reveal your combat character.. I mean whats the point? Your words carry as much weight as some random alt picked off the pavements of Jita. If this is all you have to bring to the table.. it might be time to exit centre stage now, btw duck 'cause rotten tomatoes don't wash off too good. Dare I say it.. post with your main.. your combat main that is, if you indeed have one. Fine that is your opinion. From my understanding it isn't worth much anyhow. It isn't like someone made you forum god so that you can set the rules. Proof?? Btw one of the reason ASCN is losing is becuase they got pilots like you.. And you are basically representing the cancer in EVE and in every alliance.. You say you got combat alts?? well tell us ?? give us proof.. Personally as i sayd I think you are nothing more then cancer who use 0.0 space but when you lose a ship you become angry and frustating and wanna blame it on every1 els then you own incompetence.... its ok we understand
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Sirius A on 17/12/2006 16:57:38 its good to see you working out your troubles by writing it down. Psychologists highly recommend this method to get through problems. Hope you find the peace you are searching for. "I am expendable"
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lord XSiV From my understanding it isn't worth much anyhow. Aha.. flames now... I'm not accusing anybody of anything now am I? I have nothing to prove.. but you do. Its a shame I was looking forward to this thread.... it turned out to be quite disappointing. You're disappointed? Dude, I still have 3 hours and 20 minutes left. But Im starting to see "Vrizuh" as last post in all the threads. I think there is a rule out there somewhere, that says that the more I post the closer the probability of me saying something I should not have quickly approaches "1". Plus I think I've self-blacklisted myself from like, every corp that has forum access. Oh why did Cyvok have to leave!? I used to be so quiet in the corp forums. /cry I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
Archilies Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:03:00 - [59] Democracy never works in eve, especially in an alliance that has over 4k players [i think?]. Now how the hell can you expect for everyone's views to be considered? you cnt. If people dnt like it then they can leave, but you didnÆt and you stayed for the best part of a year? [Reading someone else's post]. As for removing members who question authority, can you give us any proof of that? and even if that was the case so? People becoming outspoken represents problems and it has the potential to ripping alliances apart. ThereÆs a high counsel im guessing? thatÆs all you need. If you dnt like, you can leave, your not being pinned down by staples to the floor are you? You only stayed because of what the 0.0 space had in terms of rare ores and npc's and it was worthwhile for you. Now posting a thread on how your own alliance works so badly isnt the most constructive thing to do. YouÆve tried to give a report on inner workings, but you've only given a biased, one sided report to maybe reduce morale? Maybe with cyvok leaving ASCN might not last long, but i highly doubt it's going to fall over night, and im sure it'll recover quicker than alot of people think. The person who takes over will im sure be just as good. As for all the people thinking of leaving ASCN, id just say let them. If their the type that give up too easily then thatÆs up to them, but Corp CEO's will be remembered for those who left because they couldnt live under pressure. Remember, first one who's morale breaks looses. As for Lord XSiV, give him the title of 'chav' and boot him out. And as for people not towing the party line, you might want to refer to RL and Chief Whips and how that works as you'll find it's very familiar. Good luck finding a corp because you'll need it. Recruitment Thread
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Robert Dobbs Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 17/12/2006 15:24:41 XSiV, you write well. But, if I were running ASCN - or EDF - you'd have been kicked months ago. If you have issues with your corp, leave. Originally by: "Lord KSiV" there will be some whine about it not being fair, hax, cheating, exploiting, etc but that is the ASCN way of covering up for a deficiency; blame others. This is a CYVOK and McCreedy trait but hopefully it won't hold up for the new leadership.. The answer for ASCN is simple. Keep fighting. If I have to agree with BoB guy in ASCN thread, that means there's something wrong with the thread. Lord, if you hated ASCN and HC so deeply why the hell you suffered for 7 months? The answer always was within a distance of a pair of mouse clicks. Another Eve player who uses the 'special math' where 7 equals all other numbers. Go back, count using your fingers and report the correct number. Last guy still hasn't come back yet, so keep that in mind.
Roxy Kell	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:22:00 - [61] When in ASCN you don't need combat record to have a voice, i think people that mined their ass off for that titan and outposts deserve the right to talk. ASCN was never a PVP alliance, and in order to do that, the rules would have to be changed to something else. Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise Lord Xsiv be a man i call you out 1 vs 1 man vs boy what is your contribution to EDF the lace you called home. you gave nothing you are a nobody and you deserve every thing you ever get. are you going to fight ascn are you going to fight EDF i hope you do as i will be there fighting where i will always be. there have been times where i could have easily given up the last year hell sometimes my wife wishes i had given up but no i was given a home i was given a dream and i made friends You are the worst sort of player you gave up and sold out you could have left and said nothing and you would have wales away with your head held high but you come on here and try to bring down what i fight for what i believe in what i stand for. You are no better than the person that offlined all our POS or the people who walk off with the corp wallet and ships. people that contributed to ASCN are usually forgot. i would take that 1v1 challenge of yours though. Roxanna Kell ingame.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:29:00 - [62] I find the fact that ASCN getting flamed without proof comedy gold oh the irony of the ASCN members demanding proof for these baseless accusations. Its just priceless. Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:38:00 - [63] One thing is clear in this war. #1 - Most of ASCN's members have not fought for the alliance. They are carebears, they lost one ship at some point, cried, whined, and never came back. 4000 members shouldn't have only 40-100 dedicated fighters. Its just wrong. If ASCN had even 10% (or lets say 20% due to alts) fighting BoB would be hard pressed to keep PS, but instead they are knocking on the gates of AZN and C9N. #2 - Everything ASCN HC did has failed. In part its due to the lack of effort on the members, yet it was their policies that accepted such members into the alliance. Now I left ASCN prior to the BoB war because I wasn't happy with the alliance, but the signs were all there from the start. Once BoB showed they wanted to take stations, not just kill hobbits, the war was over. ASCN at its height was much like being in empire space. Very safe, very well developed, great market, but what that attracted were empire rats, and you can't maintain a vast 0.0 empire with people who are just as happy in Jita as they are in 0.0.
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:45:00 - [64] Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 17:50:21 Originally by: Drake Mezcal In this guys entire spell of membership, 10months and 9days He has had 1 loss, an Apoc This is the same as our killboard and BOBs, Obvious Alt. ZOMG A BOB ALT!! GGRRRRR!!! ....no really, defo an alt, but could be any1 maybe another attempt from a thrid party to jump on bandwagon and grief us. Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations. As for lord, he is a harsh man with few patience. i had arguments with him and i know that. he is hard to be liked, but is not an idiot like u guys say. He was more loyal to edf than many more. Lord, takin your frustrations into these forums is a bad lead...i did my choice because some of things u say. I left. The fact u have to make a choice: u have to follow the leaders and their mark on your eve-life or u just leave and find a new beginning. Drakma, sorry to be blunt. u are one of the few u know better. Just open your eyes. Robbie, u are one of the old guys in edf. but u have to remember u just camed back. U also joined enemies of ASCn due the fact u were bored??? hmmm don`t be a hypocrit...cause in my 8 months in edf i saw u just 2 times in ascn gangs, and i was in many. what is 1 vs 1..u had john permission to allow him to leave if he would beat u? don`t make us laugh. what he did is wrong, what u do is ..let`s say...LOL ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:55:00 - [65] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 17:57:42 Originally by: Niraco79 Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations. K... now we are getting somewhere... somebody is prepared to vouch for Lord XsiV. Hunters Agency is a FIX corp, and I'm going to assume this is your main... as is Herculite a main from the same corp. Perhaps some of Lord Xsiv's credibility can be restored. Niraco79.. it would seem that you know the name of Lord Xsiv's combat character... you could chose to do a check on that character on the ASCN killboards and give an approx. combat record over the last 3 months. You don't need to reveal the name of the character just the combat record. Lord Xsiv is saying some pretty big things about ASCN CEO's and Cyvok stashing minerals in empire in preparation for ASCN's fall... he needs some backup. This thread got quite ugly for him.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:57:00 - [66] Edited by: Avon on 17/12/2006 17:57:14 If ASCN's house of cards is so strong, why are they complaining so much about one voice speaking out against them? Are they really that insecure as an alliance? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:02:00 - [67] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists the reason ascn is loosin that badly is imo that there wasnt a single thought through strategy from the hc that they couldve sticked to. a good example was the pos spam in tpar, where they forgot to anchor guns in most towers.. then they changed tactics every week.. also the lack of good fcs mustve been frustrating for the average ascn member who lost bs after bs til their 3 to 1 numbers came down to 1 to 1 numbers.. its funny to see that they still didnt learn, right now were shooting prime orbital pos¦s down, they anchored 10 poses in nol, 8 of them not onlined.. Hi, My contribution to this funny thread is to requote these two peeps on this page. Oh and to say i agree with Nez too Best Regards, Taur
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:03:00 - [68] Edited by: Adam C on 17/12/2006 18:07:42 entertaining post there lord xsiv! you know if ascn really wanted a chance to keep their space they would ask bob for a cease-fire to get their assets back in and fight proper with all of their wealth if i was a ascn defeatist hobbit i would think #1 maybe bob will let most of ascn/axe keep their stations after some rules ofc #2 if ascn really fought with their numbers it wouldnt achieve very much, sure they'd have the numbers but not the experience i end with hahahahahahahaha o/
Wrok Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:04:00 - [69] Looks like sivvy touched a nerve kinda funny how ascn members flame so quickly yet they dont stop and take a look at them self's and think about what they say, much props for posting with you main.
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:07:00 - [70] nez...just look on eve-defence.com forums in public section u will find your informations if u really need them.. look on about you thread on his signature and u will see his 3 alts(except) all from EDF btw lord was and still is a miner. he started pvp while edf trip to north around august. but if is a miner does not imply he has no right to talk and issue his opinions. I bet u did not killed so many bistot roids as he did, but his help in this area is not marked on any killboards. If u will search ascn killboards u will see Niraco, even is my main, has not a uber stat. But i think u met my alt (who has more sp than my main) and "her" stas ate in ascn killboard like 40 kills to 1 loss. u should know better that killboards stats doeas not make the man behind the screen and his abilities. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Shinjuro Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:13:00 - [71] So does this thread mean we won't get our Sunday BoB post? Because if it does.. We got jipped.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Niraco79 Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 17:50:21 Originally by: Drake Mezcal In this guys entire spell of membership, 10months and 9days He has had 1 loss, an Apoc This is the same as our killboard and BOBs, Obvious Alt. ZOMG A BOB ALT!! GGRRRRR!!! ....no really, defo an alt, but could be any1 maybe another attempt from a thrid party to jump on bandwagon and grief us. Dear sir drake , i know lord during my time in EDF. U should not talk about what u don`t know. I really do not agree of how is he takin his frustrations into these forums, but please do not say uninformed posts. he has at least 2-3 alts in edf, his main is a frickin miner. his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations. As for lord, he is a harsh man with few patience. i had arguments with him and i know that. he is hard to be liked, but is not an idiot like u guys say. He was more loyal to edf than many more. Lord, takin your frustrations into these forums is a bad lead...i did my choice because some of things u say. I left. The fact u have to make a choice: u have to follow the leaders and their mark on your eve-life or u just leave and find a new beginning. Drakma, sorry to be blunt. u are one of the few u know better. Just open your eyes. Robbie, u are one of the old guys in edf. but u have to remember u just camed back. U also joined enemies of ASCn due the fact u were bored??? hmmm don`t be a hypocrit...cause in my 8 months in edf i saw u just 2 times in ascn gangs, and i was in many. what is 1 vs 1..u had john permission to allow him to leave if he would beat u? don`t make us laugh. what he did is wrong, what u do is ..let`s say...LOL Thanks Nir, you know me to speak my mind. One of the problems with the alliance over time is losing guys like you for which we actually had fun playing the game. As more and more people like yourself left, the game (well being in the alliance) became less and less fun. Now I am having fun and that is all that matters. Yeah it could be considered a bit over the edge, but alas, it is just a game so not a biggie. To respond to Dobbs, well yeah I wanted to leave a lot earlier in the year but certian corps have this nasty habit of turning on their former members and calling them cowards for so called abandonment. Take that into account. What you don't know is that I did make an effort to remediate things by providing advice that was subsequently shot down as hogwash. You would never hear that from ASCN though - I am ebil for even considering the thought of bringing up something that sounds logical. It was at that point where it was obvious that this was not the alliance for me to be in once you take in all the blathering excuses claiming hax, exploits, etc into account. To Nez, there is no such thing as evidence in this virutal world unless it is verified by CCP. We know that is not going to happen. End of story. Believe it if you want, don't if you don't, I couldn't really care in the least. The point of making this all public is to let those in on the scam to know that others know about it. So just think about that and let it sit in for a while. Come on, I know you can do it. Eventually everything will come out in the end anyhow, so as I said earlier, time is the evidence. Patience is a virtue, throw in a bunch of other cliches for good measure and there you have it. Gaming at its finest.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:17:00 - [73] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 18:18:10 Originally by: Niraco79 nez...just look on eve-defence.com forums in public section u will find your informations if u really need them.. look on about you thread on his signature and u will see his 3 alts(except) all from EDF I'm looking can't find nothing though.. give me a hint.... Originally by: Niraco79 btw lord was and still is a miner. he started pvp while edf trip to north around august. but if is a miner does not imply he has no right to talk and issue his opinions. I bet u did not killed so many bistot roids as he did, but his help in this area is not marked on any killboards. If u will search ascn killboards u will see Niraco, even is my main, has not a uber stat. But i think u met my alt (who has more sp than my main) and "her" stas ate in ascn killboard like 40 kills to 1 loss. u should know better that killboards stats doeas not make the man behind the screen and his abilities. Well Niraco79, for the purposes of Lord Xsiv having some moral highground to stand on for this thread.. he needs to have a combat record, or else he could be one of the very people he is complaining about. No combat record for the purposes of this thread means no high horse to ride. Besides.. if there are pilots in ASCN that still havent fired a shot in this war, they need to be kicked out.
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:24:00 - [74] nez i do not agree with u about combat records...do u really think cyvok had a great combat record? now i hate myself to make your forum job easier for you link to edf- public boards lord xsiv about him statement - don`t search for mine :D ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:39:00 - [75] While voicing dissent privately and reasonably might get you somewhere, I don't know of any alliance that would tolerate such a public outing within their ranks, and neither should they. It's a simple matter of self-preservation. At the rhythm you're posting now, I don't believe you're in it for ASCN's "greater good" anymore anyway. You're just on a forum starlet ego-trip, and it's a bit sad, because you did have some interesting things to say. Fate kills
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:42:00 - [76] whats worse than a Bob-iganda post? a wanna-be
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:45:00 - [77] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 18:48:12 Originally by: Niraco79 nez i do not agree with u about combat records...do u really think cyvok had a great combat record? now i hate myself to make your forum job easier for you link to edf- public boards lord xsiv about him statement - don`t search for mine :D Cheers mate.. k.. so one of Lord Xsiv's characters has indeed been fighting and participated on 5 kills and suffered 7 losses amongst them 2 BS. K its not an outstanding contribution.. but its something.. and if you add to that some work as a covert ops pilot and any mining work?..then there is a semblance of a combat record and active particpation in alliance affairs. I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Now for the real meat in this thread.. the fact that ASCN CEO's and possibly CYVOK have already given up on ASCN and have started packing bags for empire. Well.. if we check this thread...EDF restucturing blog.. suddenly what Lord Xsiv is saying becomes entirely more plausible. Whaddya know... huh? Xsiv, sure you haven't got some more juicy posts, blogs, chatlogs .. that might clinch this for you?
Jonathan Fisher Galactic Security	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:56:00 - [78] I can vouch for Lord XSiV's combat record. I contacted him ingame and he agreed to provide me with evidence that his alts have a combat record with ASCN, provided I do not reveal those alts. I cannot vouch for his claims about corp assets being moved. This is something that we have to let time tell, and give or take credibility from Lord later. - EVE Tribune -
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:57:00 - [79] look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:00:00 - [80] Originally by: Niraco79 look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate heh.. i thought id checked them all must have missed one.. anwyays... I think the point can be conceded. Lord XsiV did his bit.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:00:00 - [81] Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:00:33 Originally by: Moghydin Lord, if you hated ASCN and HC so deeply why the hell you suffered for 7 months? The answer always was within a distance of a pair of mouse clicks. But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat Might As well Train Another Race
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Omatje But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat I'm sorry but that angle doesn't work anymore.. Lord XsiV has a combat record, i.e he fought BoB, killed and lost ships for the cause, as would be expected from a pilot in an alliance during time of war. So he hasn't been hiding.
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:09:00 - [83] So dear Lord, Hasn't it occured to you that maybe when EDF posted: Quote: EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun. That downsizing was aimed to getting rid of people like you?
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Hast I find the fact that ASCN getting flamed without proof comedy gold oh the irony of the ASCN members demanding proof for these baseless accusations. Its just priceless. I know, it is very funny. Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 - [85] Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:12:18 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat I'm sorry but that angle doesn't work anymore.. Lord XsiV has a combat record, i.e he fought BoB, killed and lost ships for the cause, as would be expected from a pilot in an alliance during time of war. So he hasn't been hiding. And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? got no cool sig
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Omatje Edited by: Omatje on 17/12/2006 19:00:33 Originally by: Moghydin Lord, if you hated ASCN and HC so deeply why the hell you suffered for 7 months? The answer always was within a distance of a pair of mouse clicks. But he isn't suffering at all, he's either hiding in empire or hiding in a station, wondering what is really happening outside, and his only source of intel are forums or alliance chat Yeh, I dunno his combat record (seems info is coming out now?) but everytime I came on, Xsiv was in a fleet/gang. I even thought he was part of the pvp legion for a long time. Only found out the other day that he was a miner like me. That might be what drove him up the wall. I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
UniSol 2500 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:14:00 - [87] Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:14:00 - [88] Originally by: UniSol 2500 Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni. Well, at least he is allowed to post here... The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:15:00 - [89] Originally by: Mi Lai So dear Lord, Hasn't it occured to you that maybe when EDF posted: Quote: EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun. That downsizing was aimed to getting rid of people like you? Thats not the point.. the point is that the EDF blog implies that EDF is getting ready for ASCN's demise.... and if that is the case... it is quite possible that corp assets are getting shipped out to safety. And thats not even the most worrying thing for ASCN.... EDF as a backbone corp and John McReedy as a a member of the HC help in setting the tone for the alliance. What Lord Xsiv has been saying is that EDF CEO's/Directors are not the only ones looking out for number one.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:20:00 - [90] Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible.
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:25:00 - [91] Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 19:26:26 Originally by: Avon Originally by: UniSol 2500 Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni. Well, at least he is allowed to post here... :D u have a point avon... but unisol is an ex edf guy who i esteem a lot...i`m sure he will find soon a new place to stay. And is his main :D remember universal soldier model 2500? ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:28:00 - [92] Originally by: Niraco79 :D u have a point avon... but unisol is an ex edf guy who i esteem a lot...i`m sure he will find soon a new place to stay. And is his main :D remember universal soldier model 2500? I wouldn't care if it was Cyvok himself, in here it is show your tags or pack your bags. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. - Never trust a BoB, because he will lie and cheat while pretending to be honourable -
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:34:00 - [94] Originally by: Malachon Draco Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Right, so that means your word on these forums has more weight than his? Now I am scared. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:35:00 - [95] Originally by: UniSol 2500 Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni. My point was to try and help out the little people :) Ok, so maybe I do have a bit of emo, bit don't hold it against me. As I said, time will tell....
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:37:00 - [96] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Malachon Draco Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Right, so that means your word on these forums has more weight than his? Now I am scared. Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. - Never trust a BoB, because he will lie and cheat while pretending to be honourable -
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [97] Edited by: Avon on 17/12/2006 19:40:11 Originally by: Malachon Draco Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. Sounds like a record to me. (Added: If every character in ASCN had got just one kill, let alone 30, how do you think the war would have gone?) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [98] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Well now that you mention it....the majority of my losses can be attributed to poor FCs doing silly things, such as warping to enemy pos at 20km....Or there was the day I got hit with Shrike's dd three times consecutively, I guess we wer emeant to see the pretty light lots.... As for running in my covops, well I spent alot of time doing it and I don't have one loss. So, maybe it counts for something. I really couldn't care to be honest, but I think you got what you were looking for Nez....Well except the other thing which will come out in due course of time.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:44:00 - [99] sounds like someone needed some attention. /e hands Lord a lollipop?
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Nez Perces Thats not the point.. the point is that the EDF blog implies that EDF is getting ready for ASCN's demise.... and if that is the case... it is quite possible that corp assets are getting shipped out to safety. And thats not even the most worrying thing for ASCN.... EDF as a backbone corp and John McReedy as a a member of the HC help in setting the tone for the alliance. What Lord Xsiv has been saying is that EDF CEO's/Directors are not the only ones looking out for number one. I would think it's more a sign of responsibility then weakness to prepare for possible evacuation. In the end, if EDF is strong enough as a corp, then it wont matter wether they leave their current region or not. The Corp should never be primarily about assets, stations and your place on the EVE-Map. They are just tools that can be re-build or re-taken. Your 'infrastructure' in terms of your core members is (or should be) much more then that.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:49:00 - [101] If you don't like your alliance fine, then leave it. But trying to demoralize them and tarnish their image on the forum is just being a git. You should just bugger off
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:57:00 - [102] Originally by: etheris sounds like someone needed some attention. /e hands Lord a lollipop? Awww, one of the directors in EDF said something along the same lines today....now everyone is getting all mushy like. I guess if trying to beat with a stick doesn't work, you try the candy approach. Too little, too late. The horses are out of the barn.
Ciphero Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:03:00 - [103] Edited by: Ciphero on 17/12/2006 20:05:51 Moment of the thread so far: XSiV: "If you speak out against the leadership's direction, you are silenced." ASCN Pilot: "Mods please lock the thread!" Splendid.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:11:00 - [104] Originally by: Lord XSiV so the informaiton is in the public domain anyhow. No, it is not. By copying these posts you are infringing the authors copyright. By publishing these postings on this site CCP is a secondary infringer of those same rights. CCP bleats on about people respecting its intellectual property rights, lets see how it respects other peoples. CCP I think it is safe to assume that the authors of those postings have given no licence for them to be posted here and so please remove these postings and please can you do something about these cut & paste jobs going forward.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Malachon Draco Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. The combat record issue, was simply one of establishing a basic level of participation... with the aim of determining wether the OP had at least some basic credibility. I don't know what constitutes a combat record in ASCN.... its a relative thing and can only be judged in reference to the rest of your alliance. Its not really the point. You have a better combat record than Lord Xsiv, but he may well have a better combat record than a lot of pilots in ASCN. I don't know. Its not the point. Lord Xsiv has participated.. that much is clear, wether in combat (limited perhaps), covertops or industrial work. There is no reason to doubt him on that front. Now as for the other issue of CEO's potentially preparing to jump ship... there has been no evidence brought forward, but I can't help the feeling that with EDF's restucturing blog we may be seeing the beginning of an internal meltdown within ASCN ranks. Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:14:00 - [106] dont give yourself too many airs big fellah, that lollipop wasnt THAT good.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:15:00 - [107] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Lord XSiV so the informaiton is in the public domain anyhow. No, it is not. By copying these posts you are infringing the authors copyright. By publishing these postings on this site CCP is a secondary infringer of those same rights. CCP bleats on about people respecting its intellectual property rights, lets see how it respects other peoples. CCP I think it is safe to assume that the authors of those postings have given no licence for them to be posted here and so please remove these postings and please can you do something about these cut & paste jobs going forward. Snore. I was given access and there is no policy about dissemination. Also, from a legal perspective if an entity has not applied basic protection measures when they know that they have security problems then they are negligent in regards to performing due dilligence. Thanks for coming out, better luck next time.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:18:00 - [108] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Malachon Draco stuff about combat record bunch of other stuff about stuff and stuff.... Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB. Maybe he is still waiting for his cut of the haul from Cyvok or his dividends from the mining ops still going on? It is pretty well know that Species still have their ops going even with Bob hostles next door to r97....
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:24:00 - [109] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Malachon Draco stuff about combat record bunch of other stuff about stuff and stuff.... Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB. Maybe he is still waiting for his cut of the haul from Cyvok or his dividends from the mining ops still going on? It is pretty well know that Species still have their ops going even with Bob hostles next door to r97.... If an alliance leader needs to come to these boards to play to the peanut gallery then things have got a a very sad state. Those that need to know the state of affairs are aware of the state of affairs I am sure. How many people do you ever see come to these forums and leave people with a better impression of them than before they posted? I can safely say I have read a handful of posts ever that actually improved my opinion of someone, and only once has that comes across as far as creating some respect (that being Darcuese from DICE who actually comes across as a pretty decent, sensible guy). 99% of posters just leave you shaking your head with wonder and so coming on here does you no favours (/me waits for someone to quote this with some rolling eyes and "QFT" hilarity)
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:28:00 - [110] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. I Agree. I suspect someone got a large infusion of ISK from Sir Mollee to incite dissention in the ranks?? My Views are my own and Not the views of Imperium Alliance.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:35:00 - [111] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. B4 the BOB Vs ASCN war Cyvok "Charachter" Had 0 kills or losses and now on your owen KB he has no 50 kills and one HEAVY loss So if i take what you say to the letter than your grandmother also can do better than your own alliance departed leader And as far as ASCN own boards come to my mind i still recall the " If you post anything negative your post will be deleted immediatly without a warnining " threats you guys give to your owen memebers so its not surprising to get the dirty laundry out in the open this way . "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:36:00 - [112] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 20:37:01 Originally by: Mariko San If an alliance leader needs to come to these boards to play to the peanut gallery then things have got a a very sad state. Those that need to know the state of affairs are aware of the state of affairs I am sure. How many people do you ever see come to these forums and leave people with a better impression of them than before they posted? It depends very much on how important you think the EVE-O forums are. Alliances with any sense will recognise their importance. In this conflict the forums have proven to be a crucial element of warfare. It has been a very public war if you like. So far Cyvok has resigned, without a formal post from the man himself.. instead Gungankllr had to do it. Virtuozzo has taken the reigns and I don't think I've seen him post a full sentence yet, he does like to post pictures though, which are actually fairly amusing. Point is all we see from ASCN on these boards is whining, leaked blogs/forum posts and responses to BoB's forum posts usually with a mocking tone. I think it would do ASCN the world of good if they could reclaim some serious forum presence by showing a united front behind their new leader, indicating a break from the old and a new start, albeit on the backfoot. The image an alliance projects to the outside world reflects back onto them and has an internal effect. Its never too late, to turn things around.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Skelator Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. I Agree. I suspect someone got a large infusion of ISK from Sir Mollee to incite dissention in the ranks?? My Views are my own and Not the views of Imperium Alliance. Nope, not a single isk. Only thing I got from bob was 1m isk from Lukec for some mining drone and tractor beam bpcs. I was handing them out as xmas presents anyhow, so I guess I should give his 1m back.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:41:00 - [114] Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next ***** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Dragerest Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next ***** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread err.. cause its fun?... glad you are enjoying yourself too... or not. Perhaps unplugging your keyboard will help.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:07:00 - [116] Originally by: Dragerest Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next *** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread And your personal insults towards him are not considered trolling and flames? Quick question to you , how is any of this your bussiness ? He pays to play the game just like anyone and he is entitled to him own views etc , if he is violating any forum rules last i checked you are not ISD so why do you have to poke your nose and start insulting ? "Lord Samaiel, Rise "** BNC Vs CELES Video
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:11:00 - [117] Explain to me Xsiv how you stay in 0.0 10 months and lose 1 FRACKING APOC?!?!? I was in 0.0 3 days before my first kills (plural) So im wondering why someone of no worth such as yourself feels so important as to make such a large, yet utterly worthless contribution. Do you know what pvp is? did you lose that apoc on accident and ask yourself " what was that!?" You can sit here on the forums and flap your gums for page upon page while the verbal diahreah just spews out but when push comes to shove your one of those "dockers" and your frankly ****poor KB data will confirm that. 1 Apocalypse BS and your the new backseat alliance driver? I dont think so. Sit down, enjoy empire and if you want some help learning how to load a gun, or even open fire please drop me a line. Enjoy the Jita queue
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Trytonx Explain to me Xsiv how you stay in 0.0 10 months and lose 1 FRACKING APOC?!?!? I was in 0.0 3 days before my first kills (plural) So im wondering why someone of no worth such as yourself feels so important as to make such a large, yet utterly worthless contribution. Do you know what pvp is? did you lose that apoc on accident and ask yourself " what was that!?" You can sit here on the forums and flap your gums for page upon page while the verbal diahreah just spews out but when push comes to shove your one of those "dockers" and your frankly ****poor KB data will confirm that. 1 Apocalypse BS and your the new backseat alliance driver? I dont think so. Sit down, enjoy empire and if you want some help learning how to load a gun, or even open fire please drop me a line. Enjoy the Jita queue I think you need to read the rest of the thread.... his other characters have been checked out and there are in the region of 30 participations including losses. Whilst not a huge amount it is quite possibly better than the ASCN average over the period of this particular war, but I don't think anybody knows what the ASCN average is.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:17:00 - [119] Originally by: Nez Perces I think you need to read the rest of the thread.... his other characters have been checked out and there are in the region of 30 participations including losses. Whilst not a huge amount it is quite possibly better than the ASCN average over the period of this particular war, but I don't think anybody knows what the ASCN average is. Nez, Could you indicate who checked out his other characters, so we know who the reliable source is? That way we can evaluate the reliability of those participation numbers you are floating here.
Emblurr	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:20:00 - [120] Thanks Nez for pointing that out. I at times become a little worked up and overlook things. His combat record is still poor at best, though. My ratio in the last 3 months < my entire time in 0.0 > surpasses his, and I know for a fact I have a ton of room for improvement.
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:22:00 - [121] Thanks Nez for pointing that out. I at times become a little worked up and overlook things. His combat record is still poor at best, though. My ratio in the last 3 months < my entire time in 0.0 > surpasses his by about 3 to 1, and I know for a fact I have a ton of room for improvement. edit** repost, wrong char damnit
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:22:00 - [122] Originally by: Trytonx Explain to me Xsiv how you stay in 0.0 10 months and lose 1 FRACKING APOC?!?!? I was in 0.0 3 days before my first kills (plural) So im wondering why someone of no worth such as yourself feels so important as to make such a large, yet utterly worthless contribution. Do you know what pvp is? did you lose that apoc on accident and ask yourself " what was that!?" You can sit here on the forums and flap your gums for page upon page while the verbal diahreah just spews out but when push comes to shove your one of those "dockers" and your frankly ****poor KB data will confirm that. 1 Apocalypse BS and your the new backseat alliance driver? I dont think so. Sit down, enjoy empire and if you want some help learning how to load a gun, or even open fire please drop me a line. Enjoy the Jita queue Well obviously you have shown your own ignorance in this area - I would have at least read the kill mail to realise that it was against a pos for starters and then followed up with what was saif in the thread. I make no claim to be a pvp ship player economy pvp is more my specialty right now. Not saying that I don't like, enjoy or want to pvp in ships, it is just that I haven't had much opportunity to on my own. I id spend a lot of time flying covops which means you get to observe, so hopefully I learned a thing or two which will help me out latter. In fact, right now I got to avoid bob whilst being chased by angry ASCN'ers so it should be quite fun. And from what I hear, you guys got your own issues in Syncore that you should be worried about....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:23:00 - [123] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 21:25:13 Originally by: Darkstar BP Nez, Could you indicate who checked out his other characters, so we know who the reliable source is? That way we can evaluate the reliability of those participation numbers you are floating here. well here is what has been posted so far... Originally by: niraco97, ex-ASCN now in Hunters Agency, FIX .......his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations...... look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate and Originally by: Jonathan Fisher, Galactic Security I can vouch for Lord XSiV's combat record. I contacted him ingame and he agreed to provide me with evidence that his alts have a combat record with ASCN, provided I do not reveal those alts. I cannot vouch for his claims about corp assets being moved. This is something that we have to let time tell, and give or take credibility from Lord later. Also I checked one of his alts on the BoB killboards and there were records of participation. Besides, if you look on the EDF forums you will see some of Lord Xsiv's posts where his sig contains further leads.. you can work those out yourself.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:25:00 - [124] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Darkstar BP Nez, Could you indicate who checked out his other characters, so we know who the reliable source is? That way we can evaluate the reliability of those participation numbers you are floating here. Originally by: niraco97, ex-ASCN now in Hunters Agency, FIX .......his primary alt is pvp. If u really wanna know just ask edf leadership like genrom his pvp wing leader and u will get better informations...... look on other alt dear nez...is like 30 to 11 ...be nice :P ..but as i repeat not one good killboard stat will make u a good person and a good team mate and Originally by: Jonathan Fisher, Galactic Security I can vouch for Lord XSiV's combat record. I contacted him ingame and he agreed to provide me with evidence that his alts have a combat record with ASCN, provided I do not reveal those alts. I cannot vouch for his claims about corp assets being moved. This is something that we have to let time tell, and give or take credibility from Lord later. Also I checked one of his alts on the BoB killboards and there were records of participation. Besides, if you look on the EDF forums you will see some of Lord Xsiv's posts where his sig contains further leads.. you can work those out yourself. See, it wasn't all that hard....Spoon feeding you wouldn't be any fun. :)
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:31:00 - [125] Wow, still a pretty shabby record. Behind all your ego bolstering I think we can agree ASCN is better off without dead weight like yourself. And for the record, Syncore is doing just grand, tyvm.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:40:00 - [126] Originally by: Trytonx Wow, still a pretty shabby record. Behind all your ego bolstering I think we can agree ASCN is better off without dead weight like yourself. And for the record, Syncore is doing just grand, tyvm. The combat record given is nothing to boast about.. that much is for sure.... but, its not actually the point. Point is that he has enough participations to lend him the minimum credibility needed to make his post. Unfortunately the EDF blog leaked today helps to corroborate his statements about ASCN CEO's potentially preparing to jump ship because if you read through it till the end it speaks of the distinct possiblity of ASCN giving up the ghost.
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:42:00 - [127] this is priceless... few more weeks and no more ascn... pricless To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:56:00 - [128] Originally by: Trytonx Wow, still a pretty shabby record. Behind all your ego bolstering I think we can agree ASCN is better off without dead weight like yourself. And for the record, Syncore is doing just grand, tyvm. Yeah, should have known better. After mining all that crap for things like outposts, shiny toys and other stuff the real appreciation would be made known at some point. But I am getting to have fun now.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Indeed. When you know people like Cyvok had to deal with such <auto-censored> players, you realize alliance leaders should get paid in cash by CCP. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:18:00 - [130] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lord XSiV Could it be possible that I was bringing up things into question that were too sensitive for HC to answer as the answers to those questions could have finished off the rest of morale? I mean afterall, most people would leave if they knew that their corp reserves were sitting on an ooc alt in empire instead of being used for the war. Proof.. combat character.. provide now. Repeating the same point more often doesn't make it more or less value. You made your point, STFU. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:20:00 - [131] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lord XSiV Could it be possible that I was bringing up things into question that were too sensitive for HC to answer as the answers to those questions could have finished off the rest of morale? I mean afterall, most people would leave if they knew that their corp reserves were sitting on an ooc alt in empire instead of being used for the war. Proof.. combat character.. provide now. Repeating the same point more often doesn't make it more or less value. You made your point, STFU. mmm... maybe you wanna keep up with the thread... that was many many hours ago... we have now moved onto greater and better things ^^
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:33:00 - [132] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 18:54:18 I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Thank you, oh holy, one that you have set that straight for us mere mortals.... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:41:00 - [133] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Thank you, oh holy, one that you have set that straight for us mere mortals.... You are welcome. Now stop whining.
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:51:00 - [134] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Thank you, oh holy, one that you have set that straight for us mere mortals.... You are welcome. Now stop whining. Dude, if you don't want people to whine about the way you participate on the forums, you can do two things a) point finger and tell them to stop whining or b) re-evaluate the way you phrase, as you came on quite agressive and the dude has nothing to prove to you on the long run, especially since you are, like me and many others, not even a party in this conflict. Now let's time your F5.... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:08:00 - [135] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Thank you, oh holy, one that you have set that straight for us mere mortals.... You are welcome. Now stop whining. Dude, if you don't want people to whine about the way you participate on the forums, you can do two things a) point finger and tell them to stop whining or b) re-evaluate the way you phrase, as you came on quite agressive and the dude has nothing to prove to you on the long run, especially since you are, like me and many others, not even a party in this conflict. Now let's time your F5.... This coming from someone who associates with sausage.....And shoving sausage down ones throat. Let me think about that.
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:13:00 - [136] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Nez Perces I think its fair to say that Lord Xsiv is not a leech.. at least not a terrible one. He has therefore got a right to complain. Thank you, oh holy, one that you have set that straight for us mere mortals.... You are welcome. Now stop whining. Dude, if you don't want people to whine about the way you participate on the forums, you can do two things a) point finger and tell them to stop whining or b) re-evaluate the way you phrase, as you came on quite agressive and the dude has nothing to prove to you on the long run, especially since you are, like me and many others, not even a party in this conflict. Now let's time your F5.... This coming from someone who associates with sausage.....And shoving sausage down ones throat. Let me think about that. It merely means our sausage is the best \o/ Now enough of my thread derailment... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Danari Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:23:00 - [137] Originally by: Lord XSiV And from what I hear, you guys got your own issues in Syncore that you should be worried about.... lol the only internal drama Syncore's ever had was the crying of carebears being booted out the door. Once they were gone, ah it's been golden. I love these guys, best time I've had in eve by far.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:24:00 - [138] Originally by: Hey You this is priceless... few more weeks and no more ascn... pricless xmas present?
Trinity Faetal Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:29:00 - [139] Originally by: Lord XSiV i hate ASCN, Darkness save me! -- join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:34:00 - [140] Originally by: Danari Originally by: Lord XSiV And from what I hear, you guys got your own issues in Syncore that you should be worried about.... lol the only internal drama Syncore's ever had was the crying of carebears being booted out the door. Once they were gone, ah it's been golden. I love these guys, best time I've had in eve by far. And speak of the devil.....
Trinity Faetal Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:47:00 - [141] Edited by: Trinity Faetal on 17/12/2006 23:47:15 Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Danari Originally by: Lord XSiV And from what I hear, you guys got your own issues in Syncore that you should be worried about.... lol the only internal drama Syncore's ever had was the crying of carebears being booted out the door. Once they were gone, ah it's been golden. I love these guys, best time I've had in eve by far. And speak of the devil..... lol you kicked out the people that helped build your outpost and capital fleets -- join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
Danari Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:01:00 - [142] Originally by: Trinity Faetal lol you kicked out the people that helped build your outpost and capital fleets I do believe I said carebears. My mining group can still suck the chrome off a Nyx.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:48:00 - [143] Originally by: Danari Edited by: Danari on 18/12/2006 00:38:24 Originally by: Trinity Faetal lol you kicked out the people that helped build your outpost and capital fleets I do believe I said carebears. My mining group can still suck the chrome off a Nyx. Edit follows Nobody has been in ASCN longer than me, and few could more thoroughly document the maddeningly frustrating aspects of gamers that bleed into this alliance like they do into ALL alliances. However there are three things to do with any situation: Improve it from within. Cut your losses and quietly move on. Or bring your dirty laundry onto the world stage of Jerry Springer for your 15 minutes of notoriety. Absolutely no class xsiv. 100mil to the first person that delivers to me the names of all his alts. Do I qualify for the reward?
Aceformat RazorBack Inc	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:58:00 - [144] I'm sorry but I gotta say something, those who know me ... hey there, those who don't, hey there! I was a member of an ASCN corp for about 4 weeks, 1st week was spent ratting, building my ship stockpile up, and generally trying to find my feet. 2nd week the BoB war kicked off, within 3 weeks I had lost over 1 bill in assets, everything gone, kaput, end of moi. For whatever reasons (mainly the fact I got my ass handed to me) I stepped out of ASCN and back into empire feeling rather **ed off. However my feeling towards the FC's, my CEO, the people who I fought alongside, I didn't even contemplate doing what you're doing here, 10 months and you lost 1 battleship, are you one of those guys who waits for everyone else to warp to the fight before you do and then you warp right back out again?? Bet you was **ed off when the PoS popped ya huh, need more nanos!! If anyone I know speaks your name I will tell them to get rid of you asap, and use this post as my proof. Your lack of support when needed and the obvious need to flame once you had your belongings back in empire are "the" best examples of a leech I have ever seen.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:05:00 - [145] Originally by: Aceformat I'm sorry but I gotta say something, those who know me ... hey there, those who don't, hey there! I was a member of an ASCN corp for about 4 weeks, 1st week was spent ratting, building my ship stockpile up, and generally trying to find my feet. 2nd week the BoB war kicked off, within 3 weeks I had lost over 1 bill in assets, everything gone, kaput, end of moi. For whatever reasons (mainly the fact I got my ass handed to me) I stepped out of ASCN and back into empire feeling rather **ed off. However my feeling towards the FC's, my CEO, the people who I fought alongside, I didn't even contemplate doing what you're doing here, 10 months and you lost 1 battleship, are you one of those guys who waits for everyone else to warp to the fight before you do and then you warp right back out again?? Bet you was **ed off when the PoS popped ya huh, need more nanos!! If anyone I know speaks your name I will tell them to get rid of you asap, and use this post as my proof. Your lack of support when needed and the obvious need to flame once you had your belongings back in empire are "the" best examples of a leech I have ever seen. Please read the rest of the thread before you make a comment. Obviously you still follow the ascn doctrine of blame everything else. As for losing 1bn isk worth of stuff, well sorry for your loss. At least I hope you had fun. If not, then ask yourself why you didn't.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:03:00 - [146] Originally by: Danari Edited by: Danari on 18/12/2006 00:38:24 Originally by: Trinity Faetal lol you kicked out the people that helped build your outpost and capital fleets I do believe I said carebears. My mining group can still suck the chrome off a Nyx. Edit follows Nobody has been in ASCN longer than me, and few could more thoroughly document the maddeningly frustrating aspects of gamers that bleed into this alliance like they do into ALL alliances. However there are three things to do with any situation: Improve it from within. Cut your losses and quietly move on. Or bring your dirty laundry onto the world stage of Jerry Springer for your 15 minutes of notoriety. Absolutely no class xsiv. 100mil to the first person that delivers to me the names of all his alts. Well in typical ASCN fashion, yet another claim that failed to deliver. I guess that is par for the course don't you think? Then again it is just a game. How odd is that?
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:18:00 - [147] The simple truth is, it got too hard for you and you turned and stabbed the rest in the back. The simple truth is that you're one of those individuals that *****s rather quickly under pressure. The simple truth is that although many of us fought this war without much HC input, we never resorted to this type of display of cowardice to undermine the rest of our mates fighting. YOU and your kind are the reason why alliances die in eve. Soft, unreliable and defeatist when you wear a scratch.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:33:00 - [148] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh The simple truth is, it got too hard for you and you turned and stabbed the rest in the back. The simple truth is that you're one of those individuals that *****s rather quickly under pressure. The simple truth is that although many of us fought this war without much HC input, we never resorted to this type of display of cowardice to undermine the rest of our mates fighting. YOU and your kind are the reason why alliances die in eve. Soft, unreliable and defeatist when you wear a scratch. Sure, blame it all on me now. Let me think again... First it was CCP. Then it was RA/AAA. Then it was Bob. Then it was CCP again. Then it was CCP, Bob and the Internet. Then it was everyone, their dog, hampster and anyone who would care to listen. Now it is just me. Glad I could simplify it for you guys.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:27:00 - [149] keep it rolling dudes :D Heading out for more popcorn and whiskey.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:16:00 - [150] This is my personal opinion, open to attacks and criticism. Regardless of what ASCN ever believed itself to be, times have changed. Outright hypocrisy on their part regarding forum conduct seems to not phase them at all. ASCN is nothing more than a cancerous tumor, festering. Their leadership is laughable, their organization more so. You have been defeated by Band of Brothers yet you are blind to this fact. The cornerstone of your military might (Presence is just as important as prowess) has been destroyed, your outposts are being decimated. You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. You are holding on for dear life as you witness yourselves being obliterated. I feel no pity for you. Your entire alliance has an apathetic approach to defending itself and would rather make laughable attempts at trying to slow your death, rather than stop it. I look forward to the day when Band of Brothers finally crushes every single one of you like the fightless cowards you are. However, I'm fairly sure you'll do as you've always done. Rob them of any sort of victory in the eyes of EVE by spinning your own propaganda about them. Your demise is inevitable, accept it so the rest of EVE can get on to more important matters. Because I assure you ASCN, your end is coming.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:13:00 - [151] soooo.....exotic dancer shipment or what?
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:23:00 - [152] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 07:26:32 ] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Lots of forum poo Yes, yes you know everything there is to know about 0.0 and alliance warfare: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445287 Edit: my url link skills suck too got no cool sig
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:24:00 - [153] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:24:26 Aww, better brush up on those reading comprehension skills there. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:13:00 - [154] You are so right Mud Pandemonium, but you also know that they aren't ready to face it yet. Just as Xetic, as soon as there will be a diplomatic alternative, they will stop fighting and ASCN name will vanish. Fact is they have dedicated fighters that really do the right job. Fact is they are not enough. How de you except keeping a corefleet full of hardcore pvpers when you had a half year of total peace ? Xetic was the mistaken model, but seems that ASCN formers dont have the ability to learn lessons, we see that everyday. BoB is here, and will not give an opportunity to ASCN to survive as our great commanders deciced. BoB is only hardcore pvpers that didnt show all its power yet... This is not a flame but facts. I respect a lot ASCN for what they achived in the game. But again, the model was mistaken and as it is, it can't stand against what they tried to wake up. ASCN : keep fighting and having fun, that's the only thing left to you. ____________________________________ You hated ATUK and ATUK loved you for that.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:46:00 - [155] Edited by: Ashen Brarn on 18/12/2006 08:46:37 Originally by: Omatje Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Lots of forum poo PA Forum Journal - 03 July, 2004 CAOD 101: Credibility: Attack the player, not the post. You will gain fora points by simply clicking on the avatar picture of whomever is attacking our alliance and shredding the former posts made asking in general discussion/ships and modules etc., as opposed to answering the claims made in the relevant thread. These can be exploited for experience attacks, do not forget to link to the actual post for maximum effect and hilarity. Despite the content, hopefully the readers may simply dismiss the content due to "newb content" when the author does not have at least a year of experience, regardless of what may be insightful observation and/or content. Unfortunately, this can cut both ways. Remember this when posting with alts. ---
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:55:00 - [156] /clap, well said.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:56:00 - [157] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question you how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. got no cool sig
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:56:00 - [158] One thing is for a corpmember to have differencies towards the corp your currently contracted with another is a corporations wow's towards the codes in an alliance. I can understand frustration but I do not understand to take intnernal affairs out in the open like here on Galnet. When you have taken a vow, a sacred commitment towards a holy quest, a political stand, or as an idealist with burning fire one does not toss such things away with slander on Galnet without loosing credibility. From my personal point of view no matter how sincere your motives are, you havent only dragged yourself into the mud but taken the hole corporation with you as well. Plan Neun "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:08:00 - [159] Originally by: Omatje Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question you how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. Anyone can see that you attacked my credibility, not my opinion. A few did infact. By your logic, anybody who lives in empire would have no clue what is going on in the BoB v.s. ASCN war. Even though you can talk to people, read the forums, read personal blogs on the matter. Please don't be so ignorant as to think that only 0.0 folk know what is going on within the game universe. But that isn't why you linked to my old post now was it? No, you had no way to counter my opinion, you simply dismissed everything I said as "forum poo" and proceeded to attack my credibility because I don't have a Pro-ASCN stance. Omatje, before you write your next post please try to think of exactly what you're writing and why you're writing it. We should end this threadjack now, if you believe yourself able to think on your toes I welcome you to contact me in-game. Please bring something more than ad hominem attacks and senseless backpeddling when called on your conduct.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:17:00 - [160] 'If a monk doesn't like his temple, he simply has to leave.' old saying So, if you don't like what ASCN does... then leave, like I did. Even if you write on forums, all they will do is threaten you, then probably kick you out and put you on black list. I got threatened, then I quit ASCN, (but most people think I was kicked out.) then was put on black list. It's what they do, which is what they do best. Whatever you say that makes them angry, they either decide to ignore, or try to make your life harder. So, what you write will not change what they are. I suggest that you look for another corps. ------------------------------
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:31:00 - [161] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 09:45:05 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium But that isn't why you linked to my old post now was it? No, you had no way to counter my opinion, you simply dismissed everything I said as "forum poo" and proceeded to attack my credibility because I don't have a Pro-ASCN stance. OK let's go there: Quote: This is my personal opinion, open to attacks and criticism. I just did, and you seem unhappy about it. Quote: ASCN is nothing more than a cancerous tumor, festering. So you say ASCN is unhealthy for Eve and that when we continue to live, Eve will die or our disease might spread out to other alliances? Quote: Their leadership is laughable, their organization more so. Would we really have come this far, if we wouldn't have any organisation? Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. So because we won't role over and die, we are parasites? Quote: I look forward to the day when Band of Brothers finally crushes every single one of you like the fightless cowards you are. Yes we are all cowards, that's why we don't loose any ships. Quote: However, I'm fairly sure you'll do as you've always done. Rob them of any sort of victory in the eyes of EVE by spinning your own propaganda about them. Can you give an example? In this conflict there is only 1 type of victory, and we both aren't there. You are slandering an alliance that has build something in 0.0, that has made a part of Eve that wasn't there before. You have never contributed to anyhing like that so far. I think you made a right decision by coming to 0.0, but you have quite a few things to learn. got no cool sig
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:55:00 - [162] Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. ASCN tactics these days have been to slow the enemy down and question every single move they make on the forums. Including and not limited to accusations of hacking ASCN PCs, accusations of bug exploitation and sending out the message that when it comes to forum conduct.. hypocrisy is ok. This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. As far as I can tell at the moment ASCN is one completely disorganized apathetic and outright obnoxious alliance. You have come very far indeed. Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Your inability to see the crushing domination Band of Brothers has over you, with your continual habitation of systems that could be used for better purposes..does infact make you a parasite. Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Band of Brothers is working diligently, slowly but surely to remove you from the systems you currently infect. It is no longer a conflict, it is a cleansing. The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. ASCN will be wiped from EVE forever. Have fun being a footnote in the history of the EVE universe. Now I believed I asked you to contact me in-game if you had anything else to say.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:05:00 - [163] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game.
Freyu Minmatar The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:15:00 - [164] Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. Yes pls enlighten me:) Quote: This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. You still show no arguments. Quote: Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Still.. no arguments, only propaganda. Quote: Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. So you are saying we post more loss mails on our boards then there acutally are? Again.. propaganda. Quote: There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Wo said there is no conflict anymore? Quote: The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. I am sure you have vivid dreams about ASCN not being in Eve and all, but fights are still going on. I have one more piece of advise for you: Don't read to much of the bob propaganda going around on these forums, you are getting infected. Allthough those posts might contain things that are true or not, the arguments and facts in them are washed away in a lot of drivel.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:16:00 - [165] Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 10:18:15 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Omatje, you seem to be unable to understand the difference between attacking a mans opinion and attacking the man himself. Yes pls enlighten me:) Quote: This far? Please, do not make me laugh it causes wrinkles. You still show no arguments. Quote: Yes, you are parasites. Your time is now over. You simply need to come to terms with this and release what little hold you have left on the systems you inhabit, they now belong to the victor. Still.. no arguments, only propaganda. Quote: Yes indeed you are all cowards. You lost a few ships, thankfully logic dictates that the exception does not prove the rule. So you are saying we post more loss mails on our boards then there acutally are? Again.. propaganda. Quote: There is no conflict anymore, are you so blind? Wo said there is no conflict anymore? Quote: The war is over Omatje, this is not the movies, this is not the silver screen. There will be no plot twist in this tale Omatje. I am sure you have vivid dreams about ASCN not being in Eve and all, but fights are still going on. I have one more piece of advise for you: Don't read to much of the bob propaganda going around on these forums, you are getting infected. Allthough those posts might contain things that are true or not, the arguments and facts in them are washed away in a lot of drivel. Edit: my last post in this thread i'm eating up too much forum space already. got no cool sig
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:37:00 - [166] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. Why you allways need to counter a post full of arguments by easy, useless, unproven accusations ? Is it the same when you counter our superiority on the battlefield saying we only use propaganda, spying and exploiting ? So weak you are. ____________________________________ You hated ATUK and ATUK loved you for that.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:39:00 - [167] Originally by: Omatje a lot of forum prout Oh noes, not the propaganda joker card again
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:49:00 - [168] Originally by: Omatje Edited by: Omatje on 18/12/2006 09:08:15 Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 07:37:43 Please reread what I had posted prior to your comment. You'll note that the first thing I posted was that it was my personal opinion. Yes, opinion. Open to attacks and criticism. If you're just going to attack me and not my opinion I'll kindly ask you to take your ad hominems elsewhere. Anything and everything you say after using an ad hominem attack will be bereft of logic and ground. I am refering to your post, hence your opinion. If you want to see it as a personal attack there is nothing i can do about that, the reason for my post is that i question how on earth you came to your conclusions since you are totally new to 0.0 alliance warfare. but unfortunately, flying with us he'll learn more in 2 weeks that most of ASCN's pilots could have learned in 1 year. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:56:00 - [169] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:57:00 - [170] Edited by: Omeega on 18/12/2006 10:57:32 Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Omatje a lot of forum prout Oh noes, not the propaganda joker card again Je suis d'accord avec toi... les choses changent on dirait. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:07:00 - [171] Edited by: Helen on 18/12/2006 11:07:05 Stop showing off Omeega, we all know you are the l33t forum wh*re.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:14:00 - [172] Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 18/12/2006 11:07:05 Stop showing off Omeega, we all know you are the l33t forum wh*re. <3 Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:18:00 - [173] Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 11:20:26 tbh i agree largely with Mud Pandemonium on these points.. Originally by: Omatje OK let's go there: Quote: ASCN is nothing more than a cancerous tumor, festering. So you say ASCN is unhealthy for Eve and that when we continue to live, Eve will die or our disease might spread out to other alliances? It could be considered "unhealthy" for exist in 0.0 and positively try to avoid PVP. And by spread, it could be argued that is what NAP's do. Originally by: Omatje Quote: Their leadership is laughable, their organization more so. Would we really have come this far, if we wouldn't have any organisation? Again it should be pointed out that, the weaknesses in your leadership has been shown up lately. The quote you make didnt say it was non existant in every way. There is no doubt that you have organised your members enough to build alot of items (outposts/titans etc), but then so have other organisation, with alot less members, so you could question how effectively the organisation was.. and then your PVP organisation was and still is non existant. Originally by: Omatje Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. So because we won't role over and die, we are parasites? Not reading the orginal post i may take this out of context, but i would point to my reply to the first of the quotes, as a partial answer. ASCN spammed POS's in PS, making no attempt to defend them, basically hoping that our capital fleet would get bored killing them, you consider might consider that "not rolling over and dying", personnally i dont, i consider it a bad attempt at propaganda.. "yay! we're still trying to hold PS we have xx POS in the station systems" Originally by: Omatje Quote: I look forward to the day when Band of Brothers finally crushes every single one of you like the fightless cowards you are. Yes we are all cowards, that's why we don't loose any ships. while i probably wont term you cowards, i also wouldnt argue losing ships makes you not cowards.. Originally by: Omatje Quote: However, I'm fairly sure you'll do as you've always done. Rob them of any sort of victory in the eyes of EVE by spinning your own propaganda about them. Can you give an example? In this conflict there is only 1 type of victory, and we both aren't there. You are slandering an alliance that has build something in 0.0, that has made a part of Eve that wasn't there before. You have never contributed to anyhing like that so far. I think you made a right decision by coming to 0.0, but you have quite a few things to learn. While the war is still dribbling along.. on a battle level the examples are obvious.. this applies everytime ASCN have accused us of hacking, GM exploits, etc etc.. everytime you makes a bad excuse for losing a titan.. many many examples tbh.. Your titan loses looks largely like a mistake on your part, (and some excellent work by our co op pilots) but even though we killed the titan while it was offline, to assess it merely on that level ignores the work to put you in the situation in the first place.. the weeks of combat and POS killing that has forced ASCN to commit the titan to combat, something ASCN had tried to avoid from the start of the war..
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:20:00 - [174] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Err you just did? And wasn't I just responding to a long whining post to one of your corp members? Try harder.
Datu Puki	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 - [175] I can't be bothered reading 6 pages of banter, so does anyone know how much cyvok lifted from the tresurery? if it's a lot then hahaha
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 - [176] Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 11:20:26 It could be considered "unhealthy" for exist in 0.0 and positively try to avoid PVP. And by spread, it could be argued that is what NAP's do. Are you sure about this? From my personal experience, I can tell you that I was going up to 25-30 jumps to find targets 2 weeks after I joined ASCN, and I wasn't doing this alone. I was also looking forward to your weekly "visits" of our space just before the war started. "Running away from PvP" - I don't think so. As to NAPs - BoB doesn't have NAPs? BoB doesn't have friendly alliances/corps? Get real, every alliance has allies. It's politics, and in political game you can't survive without allies. Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. To the quote of that strange AAA member, I would consider parasites those who farm complexes for many shadowy purposes and made logoffski their registered trademark, you can argue that it's part of "game mechanics", but I guess you are wrong. Originally by: thoth foc while i probably wont term you cowards, i also wouldnt argue losing ships makes you not cowards.. You are a bit unclear here, but If I understand you correctly, then you say, that losing ships in fights doesn't prove that someone is not coward? If I misunderstood you, then sorry. If that's what you mean, then what should person do to not be considered coward? Does only bringing HACs or faction ships to fight will prove that? Then I have news for you, many ppl, me included, don't bring that staff to battle not because they are afraid to lose it, but because they can't afford to lose it. When I have my own Vagabond BPO, or some other nice source of unlimited income, you'll see me in HAC with faction gear every time. Originally by: thoth foc While the war is still dribbling along.. on a battle level the examples are obvious.. this applies everytime ASCN have accused us of hacking, GM exploits, etc etc.. everytime you makes a bad excuse for losing a titan.. many many examples tbh.. So, you say, every time we lose, we accuse you of using hax and exploiting? Are you serious? Many would agree with me, that BoB is one of the best PvP forces in Eve, and many times you win because you are better in PvP, I'm not afraid to give credit where its due. Sometimes you use tactics that I despise - spies, TS spies and such. I wouldn't use them, but I'm only a soldier on the field. I don't know what I would do if I had to make decision on alliance level. I have no idea, why you try so hard to demonize ASCN, as presenting us as whiners, cowards, etc, etc. Lets keep the fight on the battlefield and smack free, without throwing mud at each other on forums or in local. But, I guess, some ppl just love that extra attention that they think smacking gives them
Deirdre Skye Caldari Capital Traders	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:06:00 - [177] OP: Nepereta c/o Deirdre like you I had issues with the way I felt ascn was managed. So I left. Its really simple. Leave on better terms next time you leave a corp.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:19:00 - [178] I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:28:00 - [179] Originally by: Smith I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable Not if Christiano Ronaldo can stop it! --------------------
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:28:00 - [180] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Mud Pandemonium ASCNs attitude is detrimental to EVE, I stand by what I said. So a member of a corp which is famous throughout eve for farming isk and sploiting game mechanics is critisizing ASCN as being bad for the game. I will not give you the attention you do not deserve. Cry louder. Err you just did? And wasn't I just responding to a long whining post to one of your corp members? Try harder. he's wining? as I see it he's just wishing for a faster ASCN demise. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:31:00 - [181] Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Smith I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable Not if Christiano Ronaldo can stop it! should have been the name of their titan tbh Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Cherry Picker	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:35:00 - [182] Originally by: IntegralHellsing 'If a monk doesn't like his temple, he simply has to leave.' old saying So, if you don't like what ASCN does... then leave, like I did. Even if you write on forums, all they will do is threaten you, then probably kick you out and put you on black list. I got threatened, then I quit ASCN, (but most people think I was kicked out.) then was put on black list. It's what they do, which is what they do best. Whatever you say that makes them angry, they either decide to ignore, or try to make your life harder. So, what you write will not change what they are. I suggest that you look for another corps. Nice quote at the top there.Shame you didnt follow your own advice. Yeah you left ASCN(and Huzzah btw) but you went whining on the forums after.Nobody in ASCN would have paid you and Lord any attention uf you had just left.But that wasnt good enough for either of you was it?You blamed ASCN for messing up your chance to get rich.If you werent such a drama queen you wouldnt have been ridiculed.However when you decided to whine about it you then become fair game. You were blacklisted because you did what Lord is doing.Whats wrong with being blacklisted anyway?Do you really mean to tell me that you would attempt to join another corp in ASCN at a later date? You and Lord made a decision to flame your old friends and now you have to deal with it.You had your 15 minutes of fame.It's a shame for you and Lord(and his alts)that you had to go out like this but the only thing you have in Eve is your reputation! ps didnt you join a merc corp and leave when you found out you were expected to fight????? keep corp hopping Integral I'm sure 1 day you will find the perfect,safe enviroment to get rich where nobody knows your name.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:38:00 - [183] Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 12:39:30 Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: thoth foc It could be considered "unhealthy" for exist in 0.0 and positively try to avoid PVP. And by spread, it could be argued that is what NAP's do. Are you sure about this? From my personal experience, I can tell you that I was going up to 25-30 jumps to find targets 2 weeks after I joined ASCN, and I wasn't doing this alone. I was also looking forward to your weekly "visits" of our space just before the war started. "Running away from PvP" - I don't think so. As to NAPs - BoB doesn't have NAPs? BoB doesn't have friendly alliances/corps? Get real, every alliance has allies. It's politics, and in political game you can't survive without allies. I am sure it's unhealth or sure it applies to ASCN? I consider it unhealth, yes. Do i think it applies to ASCN? probably yes aswell. This is mostly based on my previous experience fighting, and not something i particular want to debate on the forum, as posts on the forum wont change my mind. You have difference experiences so i expect you hold a different opinion. As for NAPs, everyone has naps.. I didnt say ASCN were different/worse/or otherwise for others on this.. just that it could be argued. From what i see, ASCN's first choice with everyone is peace, and only fight when forced to. As xBOS/xCA, xATUK/.5. and currently DICE/BOB i find this perception of ASCN distasteful. You will note i said perception. Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: thoth foc while i probably wont term you cowards, i also wouldnt argue losing ships makes you not cowards.. You are a bit unclear here, but If I understand you correctly, then you say, that losing ships in fights doesn't prove that someone is not coward? If I misunderstood you, then sorry. If that's what you mean, then what should person do to not be considered coward? Does only bringing HACs or faction ships to fight will prove that? Then I have news for you, many ppl, me included, don't bring that staff to battle not because they are afraid to lose it, but because they can't afford to lose it. When I have my own Vagabond BPO, or some other nice source of unlimited income, you'll see me in HAC with faction gear every time. I simply stated i wouldnt generalise losing ships as complete proof. Your own example proves my point. Others include getting ganked. Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: thoth foc While the war is still dribbling along.. on a battle level the examples are obvious.. this applies everytime ASCN have accused us of hacking, GM exploits, etc etc.. everytime you makes a bad excuse for losing a titan.. many many examples tbh.. So, you say, every time we lose, we accuse you of using hax and exploiting? Are you serious? Many would agree with me, that BoB is one of the best PvP forces in Eve, and many times you win because you are better in PvP, I'm not afraid to give credit where its due. Sometimes you use tactics that I despise - spies, TS spies and such. I wouldn't use them, but I'm only a soldier on the field. I don't know what I would do if I had to make decision on alliance level. I have no idea, why you try so hard to demonize ASCN, as presenting us as whiners, cowards, etc, etc. Lets keep the fight on the battlefield and smack free, without throwing mud at each other on forums or in local. But, I guess, some ppl just love that extra attention that they think smacking gives them You may not be afraid to give credit, but others are. The ASCN moral blogs proved hours of entertainment because of this. I will admit alot of my posts are directed to ASCN.. this one wasnt particularly, simply honest opinions that ASCN seem to fill.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:39:00 - [184] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: Smith I smile when I see all these posts. So much spirit and fight left in alot of ASCN pilots, but it will not change the undeniable fact, you are going to lose all your outposts. It is...inevitable Not if Christiano Ronaldo can stop it! should have been the name of their titan tbh Had that been the case BOB would of lost the everything. But I doubt even Christiano Ronaldo can save them now.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:32:00 - [185] Edited by: Sionn Klorgh on 18/12/2006 13:32:38 Quote: You are doing nothing for EVE but delaying the inevitable, you are parasites. AAA tells me I'm a parasite. I've seen it all now.
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:39:00 - [186] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 13:40:20 Originally by: Sionn Klorgh AAA tells me I'm a parasite. I've seen it all now. So when this inevitable comes, is ASCN space going to be split 50/50 between BOB and AAA or does your treaty come to an end? I speak for nobody but myself. I am not here representing AAA. You are a parasite Sionn, you and the rest of your misbegotten alliance. ASCN is a sinking ship Sionn, I would recommend you find safe harbor. Do not let some silly notion of loyalty continue to blind you to the facts as they are. ASCN is a parasitic leech inhabiting systems that could be used by other warring factions. I have no allegiance with Band of Brothers, I simply view them in a better light because they're working to purge the sickness that is ASCN from EVE. You, and everyone else still loyal to ASCN will be crushed, obliterated and hurled into the gaping maw of oblivion. The only solace you will get from your annihilation will be that you will no longer be the laughingstock of EVE. Do everyone a favour and leave the space you claim as your own, it no longer belongs to you. You are slowing progress.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:44:00 - [187] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/12/2006 13:44:40 I can't decide what is funnier for me this weekend. - Prime Orbital Systems spamming 10 large pos in Nol then being unable to fuel them properly and losing the lot. - Finding a Prime Orbital Systems outpost the next day where they had forgotten to refuel their pos and taking the system. - The OP posting that ASCN are crap. - an AAA member telling the world that they see us in a better light than ASCN. - Any of the bitter brigade left in ASCN spamming the forums for all they are worth while keeping their heads firmly planting in the quicksand ingame. I swear this game just gets better and better. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:51:00 - [188] Originally by: DB Preacher - an AAA member telling the world that they see us in a better light than ASCN. dbp He does. You know i lub you but not at the point of thinking that you're the light. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:51:00 - [189] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. bows
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:53:00 - [190] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/12/2006 13:44:40 I can't decide what is funnier for me this weekend. - Prime Orbital Systems spamming 10 large pos in Nol then being unable to fuel them properly and losing the lot. - Finding a Prime Orbital Systems outpost the next day where they had forgotten to refuel their pos and taking the system. - The OP posting that ASCN are crap. - an AAA member telling the world that they see us in a better light than ASCN. - Any of the bitter brigade left in ASCN spamming the forums for all they are worth while keeping their heads firmly planting in the quicksand ingame. I swear this game just gets better and better. dbp heres another first, i agree that you must have had a really fun weekend Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:55:00 - [191] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: DB Preacher - an AAA member telling the world that they see us in a better light than ASCN. dbp He does. You know i lub you but not at the point of thinking that you're the light. Sorry, Scottish language does not always translate well onto the forums. We use they for individuals or entities ;) It's something that does seem to confuse alot of peeps when I post on here but nevermind, it's still funny. P.S. I know you think the sun shines from hast's bum at least. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:39:00 - [192] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Omeega Originally by: DB Preacher - an AAA member telling the world that they see us in a better light than ASCN. dbp He does. You know i lub you but not at the point of thinking that you're the light. Sorry, Scottish language does not always translate well onto the forums. We use they for individuals or entities ;) It's something that does seem to confuse alot of peeps when I post on here but nevermind, it's still funny. P.S. I know you think the sun shines from hast's bum at least. dbp hey! scottish is cool! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Yosupyoyoyo	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:47:00 - [193] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:41:00 - [194] Is this worth reading? I am guessing that is a load of crap going by how much has been spurted off, normally find it to be people talking about stuff they know nothing about. Funny how all politicians and famious leaders say what's wrong with society after they have left a position of power, Is this the case? Try again!
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.26 04:09:00 - [195] no comment. "I am expendable"
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.26 04:18:00 - [196] guys just drive ascn back into empire we are getting enoug hkills off em up here in privateers. So ASCN in empire u will be hunted by us in 0.0 by everyone else - hard up against the wall and all fun for all its worth.
Da Kamar Caldari HALO SUPREMACY	Posted - 2006.12.26 11:37:00 - [197] Isn't it time for the forum mods to lock this thread. After all Lord XSiV is not in any alliance or player ownd corp.

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