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Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:25:00 - [91] Edited by: Niraco79 on 17/12/2006 19:26:26 Originally by: Avon Originally by: UniSol 2500 Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni. Well, at least he is allowed to post here... :D u have a point avon... but unisol is an ex edf guy who i esteem a lot...i`m sure he will find soon a new place to stay. And is his main :D remember universal soldier model 2500? ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:28:00 - [92] Originally by: Niraco79 :D u have a point avon... but unisol is an ex edf guy who i esteem a lot...i`m sure he will find soon a new place to stay. And is his main :D remember universal soldier model 2500? I wouldn't care if it was Cyvok himself, in here it is show your tags or pack your bags. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. - Never trust a BoB, because he will lie and cheat while pretending to be honourable -
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:34:00 - [94] Originally by: Malachon Draco Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Right, so that means your word on these forums has more weight than his? Now I am scared. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:35:00 - [95] Originally by: UniSol 2500 Lord, I dunno why you've choosen to go Ape s..t like this on a public board. If you was so unhappy, right click - left click, come back a day later and repeat and go on with your Eve life elsewhere. Its not hard. I'm trying to make sence of it. Perhaps for whatever reason you'd rather to get kicked then leave. I dunno. Ugly thread tbo. Uni. My point was to try and help out the little people :) Ok, so maybe I do have a bit of emo, bit don't hold it against me. As I said, time will tell....
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:37:00 - [96] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Malachon Draco Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Right, so that means your word on these forums has more weight than his? Now I am scared. Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. - Never trust a BoB, because he will lie and cheat while pretending to be honourable -
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [97] Edited by: Avon on 17/12/2006 19:40:11 Originally by: Malachon Draco Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. Sounds like a record to me. (Added: If every character in ASCN had got just one kill, let alone 30, how do you think the war would have gone?) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:39:00 - [98] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. Well now that you mention it....the majority of my losses can be attributed to poor FCs doing silly things, such as warping to enemy pos at 20km....Or there was the day I got hit with Shrike's dd three times consecutively, I guess we wer emeant to see the pretty light lots.... As for running in my covops, well I spent alot of time doing it and I don't have one loss. So, maybe it counts for something. I really couldn't care to be honest, but I think you got what you were looking for Nez....Well except the other thing which will come out in due course of time.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:44:00 - [99] sounds like someone needed some attention. /e hands Lord a lollipop?
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Nez Perces Thats not the point.. the point is that the EDF blog implies that EDF is getting ready for ASCN's demise.... and if that is the case... it is quite possible that corp assets are getting shipped out to safety. And thats not even the most worrying thing for ASCN.... EDF as a backbone corp and John McReedy as a a member of the HC help in setting the tone for the alliance. What Lord Xsiv has been saying is that EDF CEO's/Directors are not the only ones looking out for number one. I would think it's more a sign of responsibility then weakness to prepare for possible evacuation. In the end, if EDF is strong enough as a corp, then it wont matter wether they leave their current region or not. The Corp should never be primarily about assets, stations and your place on the EVE-Map. They are just tools that can be re-build or re-taken. Your 'infrastructure' in terms of your core members is (or should be) much more then that.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:49:00 - [101] If you don't like your alliance fine, then leave it. But trying to demoralize them and tarnish their image on the forum is just being a git. You should just bugger off
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:57:00 - [102] Originally by: etheris sounds like someone needed some attention. /e hands Lord a lollipop? Awww, one of the directors in EDF said something along the same lines today....now everyone is getting all mushy like. I guess if trying to beat with a stick doesn't work, you try the candy approach. Too little, too late. The horses are out of the barn.
Ciphero Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:03:00 - [103] Edited by: Ciphero on 17/12/2006 20:05:51 Moment of the thread so far: XSiV: "If you speak out against the leadership's direction, you are silenced." ASCN Pilot: "Mods please lock the thread!" Splendid.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:11:00 - [104] Originally by: Lord XSiV so the informaiton is in the public domain anyhow. No, it is not. By copying these posts you are infringing the authors copyright. By publishing these postings on this site CCP is a secondary infringer of those same rights. CCP bleats on about people respecting its intellectual property rights, lets see how it respects other peoples. CCP I think it is safe to assume that the authors of those postings have given no licence for them to be posted here and so please remove these postings and please can you do something about these cut & paste jobs going forward.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Malachon Draco Wth are you smoking? All I am doing is asking what the standard is for having a 'combat record'? Is 30 kills a combat record? That's a joke. The combat record issue, was simply one of establishing a basic level of participation... with the aim of determining wether the OP had at least some basic credibility. I don't know what constitutes a combat record in ASCN.... its a relative thing and can only be judged in reference to the rest of your alliance. Its not really the point. You have a better combat record than Lord Xsiv, but he may well have a better combat record than a lot of pilots in ASCN. I don't know. Its not the point. Lord Xsiv has participated.. that much is clear, wether in combat (limited perhaps), covertops or industrial work. There is no reason to doubt him on that front. Now as for the other issue of CEO's potentially preparing to jump ship... there has been no evidence brought forward, but I can't help the feeling that with EDF's restucturing blog we may be seeing the beginning of an internal meltdown within ASCN ranks. Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:14:00 - [106] dont give yourself too many airs big fellah, that lollipop wasnt THAT good.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:15:00 - [107] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Lord XSiV so the informaiton is in the public domain anyhow. No, it is not. By copying these posts you are infringing the authors copyright. By publishing these postings on this site CCP is a secondary infringer of those same rights. CCP bleats on about people respecting its intellectual property rights, lets see how it respects other peoples. CCP I think it is safe to assume that the authors of those postings have given no licence for them to be posted here and so please remove these postings and please can you do something about these cut & paste jobs going forward. Snore. I was given access and there is no policy about dissemination. Also, from a legal perspective if an entity has not applied basic protection measures when they know that they have security problems then they are negligent in regards to performing due dilligence. Thanks for coming out, better luck next time.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:18:00 - [108] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Malachon Draco stuff about combat record bunch of other stuff about stuff and stuff.... Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB. Maybe he is still waiting for his cut of the haul from Cyvok or his dividends from the mining ops still going on? It is pretty well know that Species still have their ops going even with Bob hostles next door to r97....
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:24:00 - [109] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Malachon Draco stuff about combat record bunch of other stuff about stuff and stuff.... Tbh I'm very surprised that the new ASCN boss, Virtuozzo has not made a formal announcent on the EVE-O boards stating that ASCN is going to stand firm and hold its ground against BoB. Maybe he is still waiting for his cut of the haul from Cyvok or his dividends from the mining ops still going on? It is pretty well know that Species still have their ops going even with Bob hostles next door to r97.... If an alliance leader needs to come to these boards to play to the peanut gallery then things have got a a very sad state. Those that need to know the state of affairs are aware of the state of affairs I am sure. How many people do you ever see come to these forums and leave people with a better impression of them than before they posted? I can safely say I have read a handful of posts ever that actually improved my opinion of someone, and only once has that comes across as far as creating some respect (that being Darcuese from DICE who actually comes across as a pretty decent, sensible guy). 99% of posters just leave you shaking your head with wonder and so coming on here does you no favours (/me waits for someone to quote this with some rolling eyes and "QFT" hilarity)
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:28:00 - [110] Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. I Agree. I suspect someone got a large infusion of ISK from Sir Mollee to incite dissention in the ranks?? My Views are my own and Not the views of Imperium Alliance.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:35:00 - [111] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Omatje And what combat record would that be? that he lost 1 ship+pod and then ran away? Nope.. his alts have been checked out by an independent source... there is a combat record of at least 30 participations and losses, + covert ops work + the guy is actually primarily a miner. His story checks out at least on the participation front... the other part of the story is dependent on further proof, but the EDF Blog would indicate that it is quite plausible. Since when is 30 participations and losses a combat record? My grandmother could get that in a few months time. Combining my PvP characters I am getting close to 190 kills and 30 or 40 losses, don't even consider that to be much of a combat record. B4 the BOB Vs ASCN war Cyvok "Charachter" Had 0 kills or losses and now on your owen KB he has no 50 kills and one HEAVY loss So if i take what you say to the letter than your grandmother also can do better than your own alliance departed leader And as far as ASCN own boards come to my mind i still recall the " If you post anything negative your post will be deleted immediatly without a warnining " threats you guys give to your owen memebers so its not surprising to get the dirty laundry out in the open this way . "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:36:00 - [112] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 20:37:01 Originally by: Mariko San If an alliance leader needs to come to these boards to play to the peanut gallery then things have got a a very sad state. Those that need to know the state of affairs are aware of the state of affairs I am sure. How many people do you ever see come to these forums and leave people with a better impression of them than before they posted? It depends very much on how important you think the EVE-O forums are. Alliances with any sense will recognise their importance. In this conflict the forums have proven to be a crucial element of warfare. It has been a very public war if you like. So far Cyvok has resigned, without a formal post from the man himself.. instead Gungankllr had to do it. Virtuozzo has taken the reigns and I don't think I've seen him post a full sentence yet, he does like to post pictures though, which are actually fairly amusing. Point is all we see from ASCN on these boards is whining, leaked blogs/forum posts and responses to BoB's forum posts usually with a mocking tone. I think it would do ASCN the world of good if they could reclaim some serious forum presence by showing a united front behind their new leader, indicating a break from the old and a new start, albeit on the backfoot. The image an alliance projects to the outside world reflects back onto them and has an internal effect. Its never too late, to turn things around.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Skelator Originally by: Death Merchant 1. Number 1# Reason why ASCN is failing. PLAYERS LIKE Lord XSIV Thank you ...and good night. I Agree. I suspect someone got a large infusion of ISK from Sir Mollee to incite dissention in the ranks?? My Views are my own and Not the views of Imperium Alliance. Nope, not a single isk. Only thing I got from bob was 1m isk from Lukec for some mining drone and tractor beam bpcs. I was handing them out as xmas presents anyhow, so I guess I should give his 1m back.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:41:00 - [114] Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next ***** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Dragerest Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next ***** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread err.. cause its fun?... glad you are enjoying yourself too... or not. Perhaps unplugging your keyboard will help.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:07:00 - [116] Originally by: Dragerest Nez Perces, quick question. why do you post in every thread. it is a honest question. did the wife or boyfriend kick you in the balls that hard, and told you the more you post on the forums the faster they will heal? the subject could be about psychology and soon you will be talking about how freud was the father of it and, along with your sing and dance about he's theories of the consciousness, sexuality, and instincts. all you do is try to put effort into people wanting to think you are so full of wisdom. when in fact you just troll the forums like a hooker looking for her next *** fix. must be lonely being you when all you have is the refresh button on the forums. please troll some more ps. i'm posting in a BoB thread And your personal insults towards him are not considered trolling and flames? Quick question to you , how is any of this your bussiness ? He pays to play the game just like anyone and he is entitled to him own views etc , if he is violating any forum rules last i checked you are not ISD so why do you have to poke your nose and start insulting ? "Lord Samaiel, Rise "** BNC Vs CELES Video
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:11:00 - [117] Explain to me Xsiv how you stay in 0.0 10 months and lose 1 FRACKING APOC?!?!? I was in 0.0 3 days before my first kills (plural) So im wondering why someone of no worth such as yourself feels so important as to make such a large, yet utterly worthless contribution. Do you know what pvp is? did you lose that apoc on accident and ask yourself " what was that!?" You can sit here on the forums and flap your gums for page upon page while the verbal diahreah just spews out but when push comes to shove your one of those "dockers" and your frankly ****poor KB data will confirm that. 1 Apocalypse BS and your the new backseat alliance driver? I dont think so. Sit down, enjoy empire and if you want some help learning how to load a gun, or even open fire please drop me a line. Enjoy the Jita queue
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Trytonx Explain to me Xsiv how you stay in 0.0 10 months and lose 1 FRACKING APOC?!?!? I was in 0.0 3 days before my first kills (plural) So im wondering why someone of no worth such as yourself feels so important as to make such a large, yet utterly worthless contribution. Do you know what pvp is? did you lose that apoc on accident and ask yourself " what was that!?" You can sit here on the forums and flap your gums for page upon page while the verbal diahreah just spews out but when push comes to shove your one of those "dockers" and your frankly ****poor KB data will confirm that. 1 Apocalypse BS and your the new backseat alliance driver? I dont think so. Sit down, enjoy empire and if you want some help learning how to load a gun, or even open fire please drop me a line. Enjoy the Jita queue I think you need to read the rest of the thread.... his other characters have been checked out and there are in the region of 30 participations including losses. Whilst not a huge amount it is quite possibly better than the ASCN average over the period of this particular war, but I don't think anybody knows what the ASCN average is.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:17:00 - [119] Originally by: Nez Perces I think you need to read the rest of the thread.... his other characters have been checked out and there are in the region of 30 participations including losses. Whilst not a huge amount it is quite possibly better than the ASCN average over the period of this particular war, but I don't think anybody knows what the ASCN average is. Nez, Could you indicate who checked out his other characters, so we know who the reliable source is? That way we can evaluate the reliability of those participation numbers you are floating here.
Emblurr	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:20:00 - [120] Thanks Nez for pointing that out. I at times become a little worked up and overlook things. His combat record is still poor at best, though. My ratio in the last 3 months < my entire time in 0.0 > surpasses his, and I know for a fact I have a ton of room for improvement.

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