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Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 08:45:00 - [211] Originally by: pershphanie G/Iron leadership used forum spys to plan attacks on their enemies. No, not really. G wasnt to heavy into politics at all. Just straight shooting at whomever got on our nerves And there was no real leadership either. In most situations the active FC was simply leading the alliance, as we had all our assets in the air. When you are able to whipe someone from the map, there is little need for backdoor tactics or forum propaganda, as all it does on the long run is leaving a bad taste in your mouth and generally doesnt add to the fun ingame. You play it differently and thats absolutly up to you. - precision is the death of relevance -
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:36:00 - [212] all it would take is a large alliance to take the first step. or a few corps to get talking. If D2 start it im sure many corps and alliances would join in, celes apoc being one of them(if our problems could be sorted). ER, and a few others that im sure off. Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Mang0o Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:23:00 - [213] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Mang0o Originally by: liquidism Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? that was G and not D2 pers. and in G we had this huuge timezone problem, all germans you know. lol yeah i remember pers use to pwn eve with her forsaken empire allinace.. D2 BOB or ASCN did not stand a chance.. (sry had to) And I remember when you almost started crying on TS because Robotek was making fun of you. (sry had to) damn you so love me pers btw come on robotek can he make fun of pepole? I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
TitusFlamininus Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 16:07:00 - [214] Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets.
Renox Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:11:00 - [215] Originally by: TitusFlamininus ...They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. That might be your experience, but it depends heavily on the quality of the fleet. I do believe your statement is correct from your point of view but I think several other groups have vastly different perspectives on that. TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Barthez Thed	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:38:00 - [216] BoB invites Innonamate nightmare (the journey blog dude - dunno if i got his name right) to their space to hang around for a while Cult of emilio are distracted by their persuit of this troublesome character BoB wins
darkfuntime Minmatar ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:48:00 - [217] Edited by: darkfuntime on 22/12/2006 21:52:04 This post could be summed up in one James brown song.Quote"like a dull knife just aint cutting,talking loud any saying nothing.If ya dont know who James Brown is heres a link for ya.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkGg3XkN80U
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:52:00 - [218] Originally by: TitusFlamininus While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bitter much ? Had high hopes that D2 and the north would come to your rescue ?
Technolisa Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:06:00 - [219] How do you kill something that has no life ?
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:43:00 - [220] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out!
Bigfood Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:59:00 - [221] Edited by: Bigfood on 23/12/2006 01:59:45 Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out! 5. we have Crean
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:33:00 - [222] I'd shoot both of you tbfh. What a pointless thread. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2006.12.23 13:28:00 - [223] I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:29:00 - [224] Originally by: Jackkal I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. Don't care to build things ? You are kidding right. Did you miss all the op's, capital fleet and titan we have laying around, the t2 production etc. You bang on about ccp favoured bullies, wtf. Flogging that same old dead horse, waa waa, ccp give bob godmode etc etc, yawn. Were playing the game how its made to be played, don't like it, tough. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:38:00 - [225] Originally by: Jackkal I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. LOL Clues are for sale in Jita, make yourself comfortable, you need a few. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:40:00 - [226] Originally by: Jackkal Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. Why would they do it -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:56:00 - [227] I like how three of BoB's key forum warriors reply to the post of someone who clearly doesn't have a grasp of Eve news and/or history within 11 minutes of each other. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.23 23:12:00 - [228] Why should someone join a force against BoB, if he hasn't been negatively affected by them so far, but by other alliances ? Personally I've had one or two fights against BoB. It wasn't an invasion, only BoB roaming around in Curse and Catch on something like a fun ops and we the same. On the other hand I have a long list of long-term enemies and hostiles, who attacked us in our homesystems more than once. If there ever is an anti-bob coalition, I think the majority of them are or have been for quite some time -10 to me and that probably already, before I was in -V-. So all this: 'Let's unite ! Bob needs to be killed !' lets me think: 'Why, there are a dozen entities I like to see dead first !' I'm not a fanboy, I see myself more a neutral observer and the others, who want to unite against BoB have a grudge for one or the other reason. Once BoB has slaughtered my EVE family in a rp sense or so, I maybe can feel the same. Currently I think: Go BoB, go !!! if their target is red to me. Doesn't matter, who eliminates that hostile entity, only matters that it dies. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.24 04:08:00 - [229] Originally by: darth solo EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. Its really hard for me to give my 2cents, because I know an opinion on the eve-online forums means squat-diddly. EVE PVP or more importantly EVE Conflicts has many demographics that many eve players do not fully understand thus are doomed to failor when they bring their food to the plate. Conflict motivations: win (destroy an enemy(s) assets, defeating (fleet fighting), conquer (player controlled assets), conquer, defend (player controlled assets), time/zones (players, real-lifes), logistics (no# of industrial charactors) charactor ratios (no# of tech II ships/assets & experience(s)) plus other motivations greed/misc, etc... Honestly and bluntly. The things Outbreak can do and think up amazes me and we keep our level of enthusiasm (beit motivation/holidays/rest periods) and that is anticipated -thanks to the team. If you asked players in this game these questions seriously and they all took measures all of a sudden we would have 100 band of brother alliances! I garrantee. But the bigger question is; do you want something that can defeat bob; or do you want a better conflicts in EVE and motivations that I bet the OP didnt understand when posting his comments in the first-place! Because! opinions on the forums dont mean squad-diddly! other then mods ofc o/
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 05:00:00 - [230] anser to thread: no
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:32:00 - [231] Originally by: darth solo Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. darth, you made me smile with this one. What your hard-core collection of corps will provide BoB with is just some amazing fleet-fights. And will lower our killboard k/d ratio. But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !? Because frankly, I wish we can have some quality fights for our home, from a determined enemy, one that focuses on finesse instead of numbers, that won't spamm POSes and call that system offensive. Unfortunately, you're not the ones for this job. Your style of play have you with little experience on station siege and warfare. Can you imagine a plan for your bridge-head POS defence in NOL, against us fielding 20-ish dreads, a Titan, 10 carrier/mamaships with fighters and say 80 BSes !? When you have the tactical plan to answer the above problem, then you can start planning to take on BoB. Until then, you're good as sparring partners for fleet pew-pew. Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:52:00 - [232] passes out tinfoil hats to readers of this post. Anyone who pays any attention at all would realize that BoB wants to do the (so far) impossible. They want to conquer all of Eve. I'm sure people will say it's not so but i honestly believe it to be the truth. They want to conquer all of the 0.0 regions and dominate them either directly or through client alliances like Fix and Xelas. Once they finish conquering Feyth they'll probably make a deal with corps who want to stay in the region and are willing to leave ASCN or they'll let another friendly alliance move in. They REALLY like having their name on regions on the map so I think they'll keep some of the ASCN carebears and move some others in to pay them rent. Then they'll relax and reload before moving on to their next campaign. From all the forum posting I think D2 may well be their next target. They seem to be quite afraid of D2 jumping on them while they're busy in Feyth. While I was in D2 if it even looked like D2 might be considering jumping in or seemed like they didn't have something to distract them someone would attack them or a rumor would spread that they were about to be attacked. looks like it was orchestrated to keep d2 from interfering in the ASCN/BoB conflict to me. I think if D2/RZR/Morsus/IRON/3/YouWhat(this will never happen, you'd never get all these alliances together) had all gathered their forces say 2 weeks ago and attacked BoB while ASCN still had some morale left we'd be talking about the end of BoB as we know it. Looks to me that BoB has successfully kept D2 and friends from intervening long enough for them to finish ASCN off. And that Bob will now have time to consolidate their gains before attack their next target. My .02 isk.
Koval Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Proconsul Para [...]But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !?[...] We wouldn't really need it. It will be enough when You can't pull that anymore :)
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:25:00 - [234] Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: darth solo Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. darth, you made me smile with this one. What your hard-core collection of corps will provide BoB with is just some amazing fleet-fights. And will lower our killboard k/d ratio. But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !? Because frankly, I wish we can have some quality fights for our home, from a determined enemy, one that focuses on finesse instead of numbers, that won't spamm POSes and call that system offensive. Unfortunately, you're not the ones for this job. Your style of play have you with little experience on station siege and warfare. Can you imagine a plan for your bridge-head POS defence in NOL, against us fielding 20-ish dreads, a Titan, 10 carrier/mamaships with fighters and say 80 BSes !? When you have the tactical plan to answer the above problem, then you can start planning to take on BoB. Until then, you're good as sparring partners for fleet pew-pew. I pretty much agree, those 5 corporations would destroy BoB only IF(big if) they have strong logistical support, something that we're not so keen to do. Don't get me wrong, we do have the capital ship power, but who the hell will transport the fuel coz i know i'll not do it. As far as D2 thingy, i don't really care if they can or cannot destroy BoB, is enough for me that they came to fountain to kill BoB, but there is not much BoB here. We're tired of opportunists trying to make easy kills on the locals of Fountain under our protection and we don't ask any appreciation for what we're trying to do, but merely apealed at your common sense not to make it harder for us to accomplish our goals in fighting BoB. So indirectly D2 is helping BoB by forcing us to put them on -10 because they are killing our friends and if I were BoB right now, i'd laugh at this. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:29:00 - [235] Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:43:00 - [236] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. hhahahahhahaha omg this guy talks like yazoul samaiel and he doesn't know what he's talking about either. You two should make a sect inside BoB and assasinate dbp and molle's chars in the station toilet, just to show em who's smarter. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Martini20 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:45:00 - [237] Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:59:00 - [238] Edited by: Sochin on 24/12/2006 08:59:10 Celes: Always where the fight isn't, claiming victory. I remember in Curse Alliance when you guys setup shop in Great Wildlands and continually thumbed your noses at CA because the main fleet was based in HLW and you guys were able to constantly gank the carebears living in GW. But whenever the real pvpers came down with a gang (even smaller ones) you guys ran and docked before we even got within 10 jumps. We used to head out to fight you guys only to hear after we went 5 jumps that you'd all docked or ran off to empire. It was annoying and pathetic. Now you guys setup in Fountain whenever BoB is occupied somewhere else and start making important sounding proclamations about how it's free space and everyone is under your protection. But you'll run away as soon as we get back, and so far you have been unable to establish any concrete claim to the area other then "We're here while BoB is away doing big boy stuff". Nemo me impune lacessit
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:04:00 - [239] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. hhahahahhahaha omg this guy talks like yazoul samaiel and he doesn't know what he's talking about either. You two should make a sect inside BoB and assasinate dbp and molle's chars in the station toilet, just to show em who's smarter. Now why do you have to drag my name here ? Was i even talking to you ? If you wan a Fanboi badge then plz feel free to contact RIA and she will give ya one ! TBH i used to think ur a decent guy back from ERA days but you just proved that your just a smacktard like the rest of your corp and tbfh i have more clue about whats going on more than u or ur delusional CEO who rants all the time on your own forums while foaming in the mouth about " iwant to beat teh bobbits" . I used to have doubts about what Noh said about you guys but thankfully you just prove that what he said about all of ya is 100% true "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:09:00 - [240] Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة no you cant. why? you might ask, because you are more content with sitting and mining and ganking solo npc'rs. you wont win against bob since you are more inclined to just dulliyng(is that a word even?) your skills. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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