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Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:59:00 - [1] Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 18/12/2006 19:02:52 As a full fledged subscriber of the Rumor Mill Gazette, I often browse of the basic dribble of ludicrous posts in search of that one little hidden jewel of information that gets me all warm and fuzzy inside... Coming across an article about an alliance smack talking BoB is a very common occurance, but when I hear Dusk til Dawn is warming up the war machine I had to take a second look as I cross their paths almost daily. I personally would have to think that after the great demise of the Titan that everyone would be off in their own little space trying to decide if it was a fair drop or if some exploit had been used to smash the hopes of the Titan Pilot for years to come, but an announcement of this proportion hasn't happened in years and certainly tosses a shadow on the recent actions of the BoB fleet. With BoBs reputation leaving a bad tast in most pilots mouths...will D2 find the obvious support they need to perform a frontal assault in BoB claimed space? Or will people stand down, pull up lawn chairs and observe from a safe distance. Back in the days when I used to play daily, BoB was this huge, smack-talking blob of pilots creeping across space like a massive glasure. Since my return to space for the last 6 months, I see they are a huge smack-talking blob of pilots that moves a bit faster....But I give you much respect. You have managed to hold together a vast amount of corps and I read that you back up your talk....."salute" Now D2 is another beast all together....they remind me of a pack of high dollar, crooked toothed defense laywers..they twist, minipulate, and other-wise "tell you what you want to hear" all the while distracting you with the right hand while the left hand steals your candy. Again, I have to extend a measure of respect to an alliance that has managed to find a way to excell in a game by other means then just sheer force. Your game of wit and deceipt has certainly launched you into a rank all of your own. But how will such different play styles be effective weapons against the other? I personally don't see empty promises and slight of hands being adequate tools against the grinding Nemesis of BoB. Can a person use mind games against a person who follows orders blindly with no thought? D2's best bet is to continue begging your neighbors to "take up arms and show those BoB bast@rds they don't own this whole game" But from what I hear....you better break out the engineers and start building new bridges to replace all the ones you have burned in the recent past.... One final thought......Are your clones up to date??nullnull Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:59:00 - [2] IBNP Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Hull Cleaver Now D2 is another beast all together....they reminde me of a pack of high dollar, crooked toothed defense laywers..they twist, minipulate, and other-wise "tell you what you want to hear" all the while distracting you with the right hand while the left hand steals your candy. chuckles /me likes candy ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:04:00 - [4] I'd say that D2 could, theoretically, beat BoB. Dunno if they will though. ---- Marginis and Tycho, sitting in a tree, camped in by fifteen hundred IAC
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:07:00 - [5] if this is an alt from a corp i think it is, your CEO is going to give you a good kicking when he finds it all out I don't think either side likes to speculate about what would happen when we do inevitably bump uglies but will wait and see I guess, whenever the day will come
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:07:00 - [6] They are too far from each other so I don't think they would spend isk and time going after bob. Hard to tell if they could pull it off since I don't know their fighting skills now that they aren't G anymore. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Fartimus Prime Fart Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:10:00 - [7] I don't know, but they will definitely have Fart Corp's support in this endeavor
munchy Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:12:00 - [8] Edited by: munchy on 18/12/2006 19:13:09 anyone feel like this is slightly biased? D2 i think would be the best bet to beat bob atm as a solo alliance, but when it comes down to coalitions i would like to see what RA/TCF/GF did to BoB. but yes, this thread is quite clearly trying to entice bob into attacking d2 next, but it will most likely be RAGOON, as they pose the biggest threat i believe. EDIT- one thing i do know, if any of TNT's allies take up the fight with BoB, we'll be there --- Originally by: Kaaii (UCC) We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark. oh sig, please come back to me =(
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:22:00 - [9] Originally by: munchy Edited by: munchy on 18/12/2006 19:13:09 anyone feel like this is slightly biased? D2 i think would be the best bet to beat bob atm as a solo alliance, but when it comes down to coalitions i would like to see what RA/TCF/GF did to BoB. but yes, this thread is quite clearly trying to entice bob into attacking d2 next, but it will most likely be RAGOON, as they pose the biggest threat i believe. EDIT- one thing i do know, if any of TNT's allies take up the fight with BoB, we'll be there why not come on your own Hopefully d2 do attack us would be fun.
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:23:00 - [10] Don't get me wrong. I am not biased towards either party because I dont care for either party. A couple of my RL friends fly in D2 and have offered me a place to call home, but I would rather keep my little band of buddies together without getting involved in the upcomming war dec. And from what I was told BoB was already aware of the situation...so no prodding intended from this post... Im just wondering if D2 actually stands a chance? Because all you ever read about is the mighty fleet called Blob...err...BoB Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO

The Alien Primary Targets	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:26:00 - [11] No. -------
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:27:00 - [12] well has most peolpe in the game may think bob will go for D2 or RAGOONS dont forget that bob hates for people to have a titan and that LV does have one so I bet if bob dont go for D2 then it will be LV
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:30:00 - [13] Hi mom im in an alt thread!!!! "Im just wondering if D2 actually stands a chance? Because all you ever read about is the mighty fleet called Blob...err...BoB" Nope, we all fly mining barges.. This post 0/10 im afraid :( ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
Galaxy Minmatar TKODeath	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:31:00 - [14] i here D2 war machine just broke. there top corp black lance have left leaving them very exposed. this could get very interesting
Rei Toai Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Hull Cleaver Im just wondering if D2 actually stands a chance? Because all you ever read about is the mighty fleet called Blob...err...BoB only time will tell. everything else is in the best case speculation, in the worst case a flamebait. __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
Airen Cracken Gallente Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:33:00 - [16] naaa bob is gonna nap Lv and go off killing some reds and goons, when they have lost all they ships they go after the north, when d2 is dead and bob is master of the univers they are gonna build 1000 titans and reprocess them just for the fun of it
Azrael Bierce Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:33:00 - [17] I honestly feel that no one entity in this game can or will defeat BoB. If people gang up on them, then they can be defeated. However, say what you will about BoB's combat ability, but their #1 asset is their target calling. They cleverly avoid attacking anyone that is likely to get outside assistance, or start the propaganda machine to make sure that nobody helps their target. Who was going to help the Goons? Especially after BoB "suddenly discovered" a months old picture that they could get everyone riled up about. Everyone seems to hate ASCN for some perceived slight against a years dead alliance. People sit on the sidelines and giggle about its demise. People that claim to hate BoB don't attack them because of one simple reason: It would look like they are helping ASCN, and they hate ASCN more than they hate BoB. BoB has talked of going after RA next. Raise your hand if you are going to help RA by attacking BoB when BoB has all of their military assets on the other side of the universe. Divide and conquer.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel why not come on your own Hopefully d2 do attack us would be fun. Because they will be called insignificant/crap/useless etc etc etc ---
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:40:00 - [19] Right now? I think their war machine has grown soft. Add a week or three of intensive combat? They could dance with BOB on BOB's level. Or so, they should be able to. Fear is the mind-killer.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:40:00 - [20] why dont you let us pick our own targets? Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.

Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:41:00 - [21] Personally I think right now D2 and allies would get spanked pretty bad by bob. Not as bad as ASCN but still bad, we'd hold together until the end though. I don't doubt that.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:44:00 - [22] Bignoob and his D2 cohorts beat me at Company of Hero's the other day, then stole my Candy. Followed by talking high dollar crooked teeth lawyer jive at me, that i didn't understand. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Ritchler Gallente Proof Or Stfu	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:52:00 - [23] D2 could not beat bob, they arnt good enuff, the only reason there space is so secure is because they napped everyone who they could possibly think of next to them. I highly doubt bob are shaking in there boots
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Rift Scorn Bignoob and his D2 cohorts beat me at Company of Hero's the other day, then stole my Candy. Followed by talking high dollar crooked teeth lawyer jive at me, that i didn't understand. yeh that was indeed a painfull defeat germans playing germans is no fair!! They get home team advantage
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Player One on 18/12/2006 20:05:23 .
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Player One Originally by: Ritchler D2 could not beat bob, they arnt good enuff, the only reason there space is so secure is because they napped everyone who they could possibly think of next to them. I highly doubt bob are shaking in there boots without knowing the backstory of the naps, you should just STFU long grown friendship is not like "nap them, or they will destroy us" Actually i wouldnt describe the Northern group as "naps".. on any kind of large scale fights they fight together (although they mostly have seperate gangs).. i would describe it as mutual defence pacts, at the very least, rather than NAP..
Kobanashi Laro Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:13:00 - [27] Seems like somebody needs some attention pretty badly.. At least I am in an alt thread. --
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? because constant forum rabble from bob side estimated that bob is here to entertain me and the rest of the readers here. consequently resulting in us to decide what u do next. this is called showbusiness. the audience decides whats hot and whats not Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Leto Twin Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:19:00 - [29] ... We are already fighting BoB... O.o.
Deceiverr Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:20:00 - [30] I will follow my CEOs lead, but I wouldnt mind helping out D2 myself. I have always put my isk on the underdog. I know they have a bunch of deadly little gankers set to positive in the Orvolle area. I think Iron is in knee deep with them and Euphoria Unlimited. YouWhat was with them a few days ago and New Empire... All in all they are growing on a daily basis. I wouldnt count them out of the race yet.

Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Bazman BoB and Ragoon are on polar opposites on the map. Just that makes it unlikely bob will go for them. I find all this facination over BoB hilarious. Sure they are cool and sexy. No wait... they aren't, it's just Hast <3 As are D2 and BoB. Delve, Cache and Branch are all pretty much the same distance from each other.
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:34:00 - [32] If things haven't changed from my last experience with them... NO
Bella Fea TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Rift Scorn Bignoob and his D2 cohorts beat me at Company of Hero's the other day, then stole my Candy. Followed by talking high dollar crooked teeth lawyer jive at me, that i didn't understand. yeh that was indeed a painfull defeat germans playing germans is no fair!! They get home team advantage zomghax.../me shakes fists in a generally northern direction, and demands a rematch. [b]Lastest Movie: Noobs in Action Vol. 2
Katrinazinski	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:45:00 - [34] What's this? Only one vs. one? Mano a mano? kewl! ISS tells me you should never ever fight alone, because alliance fighting should only be done in groups of 5 alliances (or more). btw, I hear ISS is still hiring extra Christmas workers, and they are bragging they have enough isk to either hire both BoB and D2, or to buy out all of their stations in the SOUTH in FY2007. [The fine print in their planned January, 2007 prospectus says that their BoB aquisition is conditioned upon Santa Claus and LV being especially good to them, though... and, they are worried about getting SEC antitrust clearance for the new U.S. stock issue.] Happy Holidays, with much pew pew, and alcohol! Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:52:00 - [35] imho D2 would give at least BoB a good run for their money and maybe, but only maybe, they will be able stand on par with them...but beating alone....don't think so... And i would bet my last sock that their long term allys will come to their help, even without asking! For all ppl complaining all these NAPs (RZR, IRON esp): Just look at it as already mentioned as mutual defence pact...these are deffo not short time arranged NAPs, these are long time friendships based on mutual help not only on the battlefield. I don't know their actual situations but it would surprise me a lot if that had changed... btw.: Hi Fred0... -- Might As well Train Another Race
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:00:00 - [36] I'd say D2 would lose a fight against BoB if it took on BoB on it's own. If D2 and it's "allies" took them on then I doubt BoB could equal them. But then you're into a numbers game and when that happens everyone loses as the nodes start to go pop!
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:07:00 - [37] Originally by: D75485 well has most peolpe in the game may think bob will go for D2 or RAGOONS dont forget that bob hates for people to have a titan and that LV does have one so I bet if bob dont go for D2 then it will be LV I used to wonder what would happen between ASCN and BoB. Now that I know that answer, I'm now wondering what happens with BoB vs Red Alliance (and the former BoB playthings, Goonfleet). The RAGOON bloc is most definitely an interesting matchup. I think D2's bloc is a fairly strong force, too...don't get me wrong. I'm just interested in seeing if RA can actually ever be finished off or if their tactics are, to a point, unbeatable.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:19:00 - [38] heh ASCN isn't dead yet last i checked the map i still saw alot of sov blips in estoria and feyth.... knowledge is power.... guard it well
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:32:00 - [39] BoB can't fight D2. They can only come up and fight 'The North'. Even if D2 said to everyone 'don't get involved guys this is personal, we can handle it' - I don't think we could hold back the sheer hatred the north has for D2 that's been festering and scheming all this time. But BoB has already visited us a few times - and if everyone was paying attention - you will see after each visit the north reforms and becomes stronger. At first 'BoB' (or milk&cookies or whatever it was then) crushed every alliance up there during the GNW. Then later IRON and G were formed, who repelled BoB a good few times and won - I think - a majority of fleet battles. Then BoB and pretty much every napped lapdog in the south came up to EC-P8R with more capital ships than there are civilian deaths in liberated middle-eastern countries. Now we have D2. -omg-
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:35:00 - [40] D2 its like ASCN but with attitude, like a big mafia with family member like Morsus,Razor,Iron,etc... I don't think D2 can win alone against Bob because like some people say they are not G alliance now...very far of it.I don't say they are bad no but they more industrialist like ASCN at the moment...but with all the help of their Napfestival friend...Maybe its possible! I prefer to say the North Coalition Vs Bob...than D2 vs Bob....its more realistic! my two cents

Taizu Lilith Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:39:00 - [41] If all the north hates D2 for their scheming, why would the north aid them?
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:44:00 - [42] Well it certainly appears that a decent fight will ensue... No one can really clearly answer the question. While BoB has the obvious numbers, D2 has gathering a good number of decent PvP corps to its side. My members are urging me to lean towards D2 as we have mutual friends within its corps but small corps have it rough already and BoB tends to hold a grudge...lol Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Taizu Lilith If all the north hates D2 for their scheming, why would the north aid them? They might, because they realise if D2 fall then they're next. But in the real world 'all the north' doesn't hate D2, so it won't come to that kind of decision. My question is what scheming?
Decadent Diva	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:55:00 - [44] bob might be able to win the first battles, but then has to face the awoken might of Gs modified 1400mm. once these beautys are cleaned from the dust of gone ages, they will do what they always did. big holes in big ships.
bevs	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Hull Cleaver While BoB has the obvious numbers, D2 has gathering a good number of decent PvP corps to its side. Might be true but the top pvp corp in D2 which had twice as many kills as the 2nd best corp just left D2 so while they still have a number of very good pvp corps they are now weaker than before
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:14:00 - [46] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 18/12/2006 22:14:57 Originally by: hired goon But BoB has already visited us a few times - and if everyone was paying attention - you will see after each visit the north reforms and becomes stronger. At first 'BoB' (or milk&cookies or whatever it was then) crushed every alliance up there during the GNW. Then later IRON and G were formed, who repelled BoB a good few times and won - I think - a majority of fleet battles. Then BoB and pretty much every napped lapdog in the south came up to EC-P8R with more capital ships than there are civilian deaths in liberated middle-eastern countries. Now we have D2. Pretty accurate account there. Seems like D2 is taking a bob approach to things. Sitting back and stockpiling stuff for war while everybody else fights (kinda like when G/Iron rolled over the south in 2 weeks while bob mined) Last time BoB attacked the major northern forces, they brought everybody and their brother. So its safe to say they considered G a major threat. Now that bob has killed off one of the major supporters of the last attack (Ascn), it'll be interesting to see what happens next. The real question is: does D2 have the same kind of strength that G used to be able to muster? Or has this been diminished? With only 3 major superpower alliances left it seems like which ever 2 go toe to toe first will proably get jumped by the 3rd as soon as the fighting stops...
RaYmEn Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:15:00 - [47] Edited by: RaYmEn on 18/12/2006 22:15:11 All people who want to see how weak d2 is, please come visit me in Branch, please come and have a nice cookie with me, you will see that we still have our G's modified guns fitted. Ready to shot you back to stoneage
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:25:00 - [48] Beating BoB requires innovation, which in turn excludes all major 0.0 powers. Join Star Fraction. Be yourself.
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Leto Twin ... We are already fighting BoB... O.o. "Fighting" and "Getting a kill here or there and taking losses in empire when BoB operates out of 0.0" aren't the same thing.
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Selpy on 18/12/2006 22:55:57 Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? Can I help give you guys a push....the north is mighty nice right now, I know me and the Outbreak lad's would LOVE to get a chance at your motherships and that titan :) Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj Toxin's can't be killed, Only removed!

Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? Can I help give you guys a push....the north is mighty nice right now, I know me and the Outbreak lad's out LOVE to get a chance at your motherships and that titan :) Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj More like "Here's a chance to attack something of 0utbreaks that can't run away!". Not having a go at you though, clearly you can't hang around until the blob arrives, you're a wee bit outnumbered up here.
Shinoobie Inversion Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Tecam Hund Beating BoB requires innovation, which in turn excludes all major 0.0 powers. Rules you out on the innovation and power front then. :D BoB helped formed the north. There are no NAPs in the north, only blues. Friendships and comradeship formed from fighting BoB in the first place. You fight one alliance in the North, you fight them all. Elite Scouting
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? Can I help give you guys a push....the north is mighty nice right now, I know me and the Outbreak lad's out LOVE to get a chance at your motherships and that titan :) Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj More like "Here's a chance to attack something of 0utbreaks that can't run away!". Not having a go at you though, clearly you can't hang around until the blob arrives, you're a wee bit outnumbered up here. Tbh 'Outbreak' are good at what they do, and imho i would make a strategic withdrawal if the situation called for it. i have respect for any entity that's obviously well organised and diciplined as they seem to be. End of the day any entity that has sovereign space has Raiders, its what keeps us on our toes
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:10:00 - [54] Originally by: NereSky Tbh 'Outbreak' are good at what they do, and imho i would make a strategic withdrawal if the situation called for it. i have respect for any entity that's obviously well organised and diciplined as they seem to be. End of the day any entity that has sovereign space has Raiders, its what keeps us on our toes Absolutely, but the way they've been cranking out the killmails, when there's a chance to shoot them everybody turns up :)
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:12:00 - [55] Edited by: The Armin on 18/12/2006 23:15:05 Who knows ? =] On a side note 0utbreak is keeping most alliances in the north on their toes. Nothing but huge respect for you guys, you've certainly teached me a trick or two
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:21:00 - [56] sorry to the OP, I didn't mean to hi-jack your thread. Thanks for the comment's guys. But seriously, I would love to see D2 go at BOB, because quite frankly, it's better to take the battle to your enemey's land, than to have them come to your's. Toxin's can't be killed, Only removed!
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Selpy Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj Serves you right for not inviting us to the housewarming party.
Rick Thwaites Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:23:00 - [58] I am not going to lie; BoB attacking the North would be a lot of fun! (Just give me notice so I can build myself about 100 BSes and twice that many intys) The sheer force would be unlike anything else. Bigger than TomB's ego. The death's and ISK loss in the first weeks would be insane. Jita wouldn't be able to keep up to the demand for ships and modules. Disclaimer: My views are my own, etc. -- Max sig dimensions are 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected]) Purple matches your eyes a little better, Cathath. = )! Not the first time I have been told I am too big...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:25:00 - [59] Don't mind me just posting in a thread about bob Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:55:00 - [60] I think such a war wouldn't be started by D2 and their allies, because they probably only want to go to war, if it's just about happy shooting, but not, if it involves a serious risk / sets them economically back. If anything, they would attack a weaker alliance out of boredom. If they attack BoB then probably only, if BoB is already fighting RAGoon. Ok, sorry, but I think the north is too afraid to risk, what they have. I think they want safe pvp, like fighting in someone else's region, while everything is still fine at home and runs towards more assets, equipment, isks. I think BoB is far more aggressive and less carebear. puts her flamesuit on ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^

jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:25:00 - [61] Is it true that there are even more noobs/carebeares in Venal now then in the times of PA ?
Mad'Mike Banks Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:27:00 - [62] G could have given bob a good run for their money yes, d2 wont
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:41:00 - [63] D2 will love us too much for killing ASCN.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:53:00 - [64] Originally by: jernej Is it true that there are even more noobs/carebeares in Venal now then in the times of PA ? Not really, Kith of Venal leans more on the side of idiots than carebears. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:05:00 - [65] Its ASCN's hope that everyone jumps on the bandwagoon and saves them, AXE, LV, D2, V, aAa etc. To be fair, ASCN doesnt deserve saving in my opinion. This is not the alliance we were allied with during EC-P8R, or atleast i like to think so. Cos the ASCN today is just plain sad. I was expecting more from the largest Empire EvE had but i guess we overestimated their abilities and staying power. Yes, against someone else but BoB they might have had more chance of surviving but comon give your heart into it, your losing your space faster then we ever wanted. We began taking your space alot sooner then we planned just because it was so easy. Youve made bad decisions up to this point and i really hope the change in leadership makes a turn for the better cos ive been there for the death of quite a few alliance, on both sides, and with the pressure your beeing put in right now youve not got much more left unless you get your acts together. Regarding this offer, its fair, and there is no real need for us to offer it to you. Weve already *****ed your alliance and now we are just clearing out the trash, if you want to get your stuff out of your former/soon to be former regions then take the deal. If youve given up and think youve got nothing left to fight for, then take the deal. You all know the history of the fallen alliance and it aint pretty, Fountain, Imp, VC, SA and so many more. They were lowered into empire alliances and are far from what they used to be. Do you want your corp to be a part of that ? If you still believe youve got something to fight for then fight for it cos we aint going away and youve not even put a dent in our fleets or strenght so far so you better pick it up a notch or four.
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:50:00 - [66] Thanks for finally chiming in Krystal. I was hoping you would lend us some insight on the D2 question at hand.... Could BoB infact not only hold out against the numbers D2 is gathering, or better yet defeat them? They do not appear to be as ill organized as ASCN was towards the end. My guess is that everyone south of Cloud Ring has been approached so far. That leaves alot of painful road to travel if they actually jump on the wagon with D2 Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
thetwilitehour Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 02:36:00 - [67] Im not empowered to speak for the alliance or my corp in any way, just to be clear at the start. I dont know where all this D2 is going after BoB stuff is coming from to be honest. BoB seems to embrace a certain amount of "It is not enough that BoB succeeds, all others must fail also" but as far as I know, D2 doesnt. D2 is good in and of ourselves, and we enjoy playing Eve, and we enjoy our friendships with other entities in the North. We arent allied with Razor because we are afraid, we havent Nap'd MM because we need assistance. We have friends because we stand by our friends, and our friends stand by us. We dont run around mowing over alliances and taking their space and then making them our lapdogs, thats not what D2 is. So when I hear people speculating can D2 defeat BoB, I do a serious Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. If BoB comes north I think they are in for a big surprise, but I dont think D2 has any designs on being the only alliance in Eve. D2 has designs on playing Eve and enjoying it, and we are doing those things, that could result in an offensive against BoB but I dont particularily see us desiring to take over BoB held space. Again, just to reiterate, Im not a diplomat or a high ranking official or anything like that, just your average D2 member who is a bit puzzled by all this speculation, but I guess its been going on for a while, can XX beat YY stuff.
Yaay Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 02:43:00 - [68] I hear D2 eats kittens... this must be stopped!
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Taizu Lilith If all the north hates D2 for their scheming, why would the north aid them? Taking on BoB, that's why. Just too tempting Many who just log in to change skills or pay GTCs atm would step up to the fight, a Greater Northern War would be awesome Resources or combat skills wouldn't be a problem, but coordination could, because BoB 'looks' very united, while the north is thousands of people, and everybody knows what it means to manage large crowds. Next time BoB comes to the north (they can't help it, they'll come like they always did ) it might be 'EVE's last battle for world domination'. BTW waves to the old G friends, hope you're all doing well ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:18:00 - [70] How about to cross a bridge, when you come to it? ASCN is still alive kind of. But it's funny how ASCN/AXE alts on eve-o mentioning "some" 3rd party over and over.

thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:24:00 - [71] Originally by: Hull Cleaver Thanks for finally chiming in Krystal. I was hoping you would lend us some insight on the D2 question at hand.... Could BoB infact not only hold out against the numbers D2 is gathering, or better yet defeat them? They do not appear to be as ill organized as ASCN was towards the end. My guess is that everyone south of Cloud Ring has been approached so far. That leaves alot of painful road to travel if they actually jump on the wagon with D2 The question is pointless, the answer is more opinion than fact, no matter what the answer.. A bob guy says "OMG YES!!!" A D2 guy says "OMG NO!!!!" which is right? which is wrong? both are merely opinions.. The other point is.. does the question actually matter? BOB are quite happily shooting what's left of ASCN, so unless D2 felt the need to jump on ASCN's "OMG SAVE US" bandwagon, it a mute point to both arguing over.. given the above it makes the post look kinna obvious..
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.19 04:47:00 - [72] Black Lance left D2, seems at least a decent blow because they were big T2 PVP'ers and according to my friend were #1 on d2 KB, but have since been removed.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.19 05:04:00 - [73] Simple answer NO. You can combine everyone in the north as one big force and they will still get steam rolled by BoB. The only force that can take on BoB right now is AAA, RA and goons combined. And that is only if we are talking BoB only, if you put Fix, MC, Xelas etc into the mix nothing in EvE can touch BoB.
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 05:06:00 - [74] Disclaimer: this is my opinion only and in no way represents the view or attitueds of my corp or alliance. form what i have noticed in the north, there is relative peaces, we have clashes ocationally, more with D2's residents then with D2 themselves, which of course creates negative feelings towards D2 "not controlling thier residents etc" however, the entire north also realises the old saying better the devil you know. (no, i'm not calling D2 the devil, but you get the picture, better operating with people around that you've been operating with all along) which is why i am quite sure that should BOB ever come north, all prior hatred/mistrust/skirmishes between D2/FLA/IRON/RAZOR/etc would within seconds be completely forgotten in order to drive away the "larger threat". later, Nikerym
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 05:46:00 - [75] Having fought both D2 and BoB, I'd say D2 can't beat BoB. Maybe I was just lucky, but I killed a billion plus in D2 ships while they barely touched me. I'm kinda surprised how D2 can be that bad. BoB on other hand isn't so easy to kill, at least those near C9N area. I'd even dare to say that as far as alliance war goes, D2 would fair just like ASCN.
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 19/12/2006 06:13:11 Edited by: Hull Cleaver on 19/12/2006 06:12:29 Just to make it clearer why I was asking this question let me throw out a hypathetical. D2 has become thirsty for more space, but their play style does not allow them to rush into a forward assault, but rather find a bunch of little minion corps to do their bidding. Lets say further that they have been sitting in the background observing the situation with ASCN and waiting for the possibility of BoB to take a serious blow and show a weak spot in their armor. As is obvious, ASCN has taken a series of drastic blows and they are scattered and beaten, but they are hardly gone entirely. A good group of movers and shakers like D2 could swoop in scoop up the remnants of ASCN with promises of help and begin regrouping their corps. At the same time they begin a PR war about the overwhelming power of BoB and how someone needs to step up to those guys. They seed the populous with claims and intel that BoBs intentions are to move north in its next mighty move to conquer all of 0.0 and they begin to spread this fear to all D2 neighbors saying they will be in the path unless we stand together.... While my little corp will most certainly not be on the list of recruites for this endeavor, I can confirm that this very situation seems to be happening right now. Killboards for the corps located in the Fountain, Syndicate and Outer Ring area will show that unlikley corps are now flying together. We may just go jump in hulks and wait for this to be over.....good luck to both sides Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:30:00 - [77] Edited by: Omeega on 19/12/2006 06:30:38 Originally by: Oreh Anavrin Black Lance left D2, seems at least a decent blow because they were big T2 PVP'ers and according to my friend were #1 on d2 KB, but have since been removed. :) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
PantiesInTheClouds	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:43:00 - [78] As its been for awhile, if u attack 1 alliance in the north, the big blue train comes rolling to stop you lol
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Leto Twin ... We are already fighting BoB... O.o. You are not. You need to be in 0.0 to see BoB. ____________________________________ You hated ATUK and ATUK loved you for that.
Paltar Evil Bandit Organisation	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:05:00 - [80] As a (former) player in the north my humble view would be: D2 - Impressive show of force to take down sparta, not a peep since and some attrition dude to boredom - but could probably give a good tight defensive action at least with their driving industrial section. Razor - Would most likely give a good showing savaging BoB while they were piling through d2 space then roll over if subjected to all the pressure of bob with no support once D2 was downed/beaten back. IRON - As always solid PvP'rs - alot smaller these days but still know how to pick em - might struggle to defend their own territory VS BoB but as with Razor above would maul bob while they were mobile and not looking backwards all the time. FLA - Internal strife and cautious nature means if they had to take the pressure they'd fold (see above alliances) Would attempt to help D2 though co-ordination and motivation is lacking. Pentagram, CORE, NEC, FOF - All smaller alliances or less well known but such a situation would offer them the chance to shine and entrench themselves amongst the well known alliances. Kith of Venal - Confused/Confusing - not sure what these guys are on - but you can always use them to fill the moat. TBH the most telling factor on BoB would be FATE, TRIUMVIRATE and all the other non aligned "Pirate factions" in the north - they are *****in' PVP'rs, amazing opportunists, and if they chose to engage BoB instead of letting the north burn they would certainly have the better of the engagements while letting the Nap Junkies soak up the bulk of the damage and firepower from BoB with the "Blue Train", while feeding on both sides attempts to supply and use logistics during an extended engagement.

JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:12:00 - [81] CE and ASW got what it takes .. tho they have a few new corps in d2 that are just talkers and not doers.. i have to once and again remind ppl that the old ASW and CE players that once defended PA still are the best pvpers in eve today.. //mask - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:18:00 - [82] From a defensive point of view i think D2 could throw back BoB with strong corps like CE/ASW at the helm. Without the north suddenly unapping itself (which i suppose happens often, buddrow and his drunken tantrums!), BoB would have a hard time taking any of D2's space. Its a fair bet that all napped alliances would jump on the bandwagon to have some BoB spankage. The north is very eerieeeeee. You dont really know what your guna come up against until you go toe to toe with us, and im sure some big names would come back to play with the likes of BoB . D2 attacking BoB space? Dont think they would stand much chance of taking it alone.
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:25:00 - [83] BoB may fail to take hold of "D2 & friends" space in the north, but their roaming gangs would easily get high kill/death ratio. D2 and Razor got some good pvpers, but the main chunk of all players living up north are soft carebears, easy targets for the picking, especially those who actually think they can win. Again, nothing personal, I just spend couple months in the north and got this impression.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:31:00 - [84] Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/12/2006 08:35:20 D2 don't have the logistics, pvp'ers, determination, stamina, balls or most importantly, need, to beat us. They haven't successfully completed any war against any of the large alliances in the game at all. If they came down to try and kill us, their pvp'ers will dissapear back to carebear in branch, the same thing that happens every other time they try and do any long term campaign. With Black Lance moving on to AAA, they have essentially lost a massive pvp part of their team leaving a fleet of carebears and peeps playing part time, passing the days before they finally quit the game through boredom of naps. It was mentioned in another thread, during the summer we looked at who was the biggest, most impressive alliance in eve between D2 and ASCN. At that time, we decided it was ASCN because D2 had essentially nothing that we would even consider a threat. Looking at them right now, I don't see any difference except they have a shiny titan and a few moships that need to be used. ASCN in it's current state is still more impressive than D2 in my eyes, and that says alot about the state of D2. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:32:00 - [85] Iron and G could have given bob a great war. D2 would have absolutly no chance. You can't not fight a war for a long period of time and then expect to preform at your peak. I think D2 is a soft target. I don't think they'd do well against a sizeable enemy. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:33:00 - [86] Hmm, so many alliances in the north... so many TS servers... we'd definitely need more bothans Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Kryztal To be fair, ASCN doesnt deserve saving in my opinion. This is not the alliance we were allied with during EC-P8R, or atleast i like to think so. Cos the ASCN today is just plain sad. lol kryz. back in in ec-, you let them blob the gates with 3 fullfleets looking into the constant flashing of 40 med bubbles for 48 hours straight.. maybe thats where something changed. your strategical nap with them back in ec-p8r times was for the numbers and not because you all ♥'ed each other so much. but they thought they had a real friend.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:46:00 - [88] Wait... Wars can exist in the north outside of syndicate? --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:53:00 - [89] Originally by: SATAN Simple answer NO. You can combine everyone in the north as one big force and they will still get steam rolled by BoB. The only force that can take on BoB right now is AAA, RA and goons combined. And that is only if we are talking BoB only, if you put Fix, MC, Xelas etc into the mix nothing in EvE can touch BoB. that is with current state of servers. one day a 50 men fleet without lag will be able to take one everything/everyone in EVE. that day, EVE will come to another level. if you put AAA RA GOONS TCF VS BOB MC FIX you will easily get 1000people involved in a same system. Good luck with that. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.19 08:54:00 - [90] OMG another BoB post.. better get in this before page 9! Well none the less it will be interesting to see who BoB goes for next... D2, RAGOON, its all good fun.. but those 2 entities will put up more of a fight. My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance

Syath Caldari Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:09:00 - [91] wait whats going on ... i heard somone talking about Black Lance. WAIT! i'm Black Lance.... well all i gotta say then is...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:14:00 - [92] Originally by: Syath wait whats going on ... i heard somone talking about Black Lance. WAIT! i'm Black Lance.... well all i gotta say then is... welcome home mah boyz. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:17:00 - [93] Quote: After winning several archery contests, the young and rather boastful champion challenged a Zen master who was renowned for his skill as an archer. The young man demonstrated remarkable technical proficiency when he hit a distant bull's eye on his first try, and then split that arrow with his second shot. "There," he said to the old man, "see if you can match that!" Undisturbed, the master did not draw his bow, but rather motioned for the young archer to follow him up the mountain. Curious about the old fellow's intentions, the champion followed him high into the mountain until they reached a deep chasm spanned by a rather flimsy and shaky log. Calmly stepping out onto the middle of the unsteady and certainly perilous bridge, the old master picked a far away tree as a target, drew his bow, and fired a clean, direct hit. "Now it is your turn," he said as he gracefully stepped back onto the safe ground. Staring with terror into the seemingly bottomless and beckoning abyss, the young man could not force himself to step out onto the log, no less shoot at a target. "You have much skill with your bow," the master said, sensing his challenger's predicament, "but you have little skill with the mind that lets loose the shot." Despite ASCN's downward spiral, let's not talk about them in the past tense yet. Unfortunately for them, the changes they had to do since the beginning of the war are only being done now. I remember us talking about such necessary changes, but they were dismissed as "propaganda". Now that the predictions have been proven true, no one seems to remember what we've been saying. More unfortunate is that these things always happen, and the negative memes are the ones that stick. Maybe in time people will realize that while we like to grandstand, we don't lie. Anyway, I'm digressing. On the matter of D2 being able to beat BoB, that's for the people in D2 to answer. Personally, I think anyone can beat BoB. If we in BoB let ourselves be fooled by our own success and start thinking we were unbeatable, we would collapse like all the old alliances that we fought in the past. I think one of the important qualities we have is that we know there are always better ways of doing things. That's one of the important ingredients of 3 years of continuous success. If someone does beat BoB in the future, I hope it's because they are truly a better entity. If not, then it would be a loss that the 0.0 people in EVE have not fully considered yet. Something like the collapse of order and a descent into decadence. This is because if BoB is your primary target in EVE, what will you do when BoB is gone? The only way forward is seeking to overcome yourself. So the question therefore is can D2 overcome themselves and in doing so, transcend BoB?
Drakkana Staat Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:20:00 - [94] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Don't mind me just posting in a thread about bob k
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:21:00 - [95] D2 already knows that BoB is coming for them. I think BoB DESPERATELY doesn't want D2 to get involvedin he current war. D2 attacking BoB right now could turn the balance of power, especially if D2's traditional allies come along. But when BoB is done with ASCN and BoB consolidates their gains in the south they'll be coming for D2. And with no strong opponents in the south to distract D2 would be in for a tough time. The answer is yes. D2 can beat BoB. But only if they attack now.
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:21:00 - [96] I dont think any one alliance can stand against BoB, if BoB comes north we are all **ed, even in the unlikely event we all come together and throw our pods into BoB's fleets without letting up, it's going to be a slaughter, sure we can slow them down, but thats all we can hope to do. Better get ready to change your currency to Imperial Credits lads Oh well, it'll be interesting to say the least. And once that is done, and all power blocks have been absorbed by the Bob blob, they will get bored.. talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Originally by:** Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:27:00 - [97] i dont think d2 could beat bob by themselves, but i think if d2 were to fight bob, others would be inspired and a multiple attack on bob would break them. i also think if there was a multiple attack youd find a lot ofbob members leaving, and if that happens bob would splinter into its corps eventually. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Voltron Caldari Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:32:00 - [98] Originally by: slothe i dont think d2 could beat bob by themselves, but i think if d2 were to fight bob, others would be inspired and a multiple attack on bob would break them. i also think if there was a multiple attack youd find a lot ofbob members leaving, and if that happens bob would splinter into its corps eventually. I agree that if D2 were to spring into action (which I doubt very much to be honest) that you would see more "bandwagoners" join in. However i don't think that in that case you would see an outflow of BoB members. They ASK for this sort of thing all the time, literally ask for it. I think they would relish the opportunity to fight what would look like a one sided battle, and jump at the opportunity to try and find a way to win it. I'm no fan of BoB tbh, but that's my take on them and what they would do in such a situation. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:34:00 - [99] I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. -SIG- Personally i do not flame at anybody --- BUT --- If you flame at me, do not expect that i will not return it in the same way....
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:38:00 - [100] Originally by: Voltron Originally by: slothe i dont think d2 could beat bob by themselves, but i think if d2 were to fight bob, others would be inspired and a multiple attack on bob would break them. i also think if there was a multiple attack youd find a lot ofbob members leaving, and if that happens bob would splinter into its corps eventually. I agree that if D2 were to spring into action (which I doubt very much to be honest) that you would see more "bandwagoners" join in. However i don't think that in that case you would see an outflow of BoB members. They ASK for this sort of thing all the time, literally ask for it. I think they would relish the opportunity to fight what would look like a one sided battle, and jump at the opportunity to try and find a way to win it. I'm no fan of BoB tbh, but that's my take on them and what they would do in such a situation. Volt I don't really see that as a one sided battle, BoB vs D2. Sure D2 has it's pets but the majority of them would crumble under any real threat. The only real fight would be against the core D2 corporations. It would be an endurance test.

hantwo S.A.S	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Liet Traep And with no strong opponents in the south to distract D2 would be in for a tough time. The answer is yes. D2 can beat BoB. But only if they attack now. i think you misjudge AAA. when i think of strong alliances i think of Shifu
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:52:00 - [102] The answer is with the crazy numbers d2 or bob could blob with in the system where the other is attacking, no one. Nodes would simply crash before POS went down.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:34:00 - [103] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio The answer is with the crazy numbers d2 or bob could blob with in the system where the other is attacking, no one. Nodes would simply crash before POS went down. Hmm, haven't they been making some progress towards this? As far as I understood the Dragon code set things back in the short term, but was supposed to put things forward in the long term. But you're right we'd simply see POSs being deployed, and no POSs being taken down.
Voltron Caldari Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:36:00 - [104] Originally by: Svett I don't really see that as a one sided battle, BoB vs D2. Sure D2 has it's pets but the majority of them would crumble under any real threat. The only real fight would be against the core D2 corporations. It would be an endurance test. Sorry I meant if D2 were to spring into action now with the current ascn war/celes-er in fountain things going on. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
DANGEROUS PHANT0MS	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:59:00 - [105] Sadly nearly a year on from the debacle of EC it is my opinion that the shock waves are still fanning out. Ascn are getting what they deserved for the sacrelige they partipated in at that time. Cyvox had the foresight of a hedgehog when he agreed to allow his pilots to make up the numbers for the ec invasion. Shorltly after, when BoB reset standings, he and others of southern beginnings were paniced and tried desperately to get help from ANYONE to help kill the BOB monster!!! - - HAHAH - - now you get to feel the wrath!!. The shame is ASCN have been incapable of standing against BoB EVEN thought they outnumber them massively and EVEN though they have (imo) better general income. I have fought BoB several times, they taught me much of PVP, they killed me and my gangs more often then i returned the favour, but each time was a learning curve and tbh that was before i enrolled in the learning school of a non pirate PHONIX. Things would be different now if i could be bothered to log on. That aside, the OP asks if D2 could stand against BoB....... I have MANY friends left in D2 and yet sadly it is my opinion that if BoB were to come north now that D2 is not the best force to face them. THE BEST FORCE would have been the G of old with the heavies - the IRON of old with the support and some heavies - and Razor as well packing out the battlefield. I have stopped playing in many ways as i feel that although i gave my best efforts and did what i thought was best for iron i was wrong. I was wrong simply as i did not understand fully the GOALS of iron at the time, and one of their goals was not stability finacially. It was having fun!! - the 'fun' NON german way of attacking that Iron gave fleets - matched with the finacial MUSCLE of old G and the heavies to punch and MOST importantly the exceptional FC team that the G/Iron forces could muster SHOULD have been the people to attack BoB. Without a doubt they could have defeated BoB in a head on attack imo. But G/IRON are no longer, its now D2?IRON/RAZOR etc and although i KNOW what it feels like up there - where an aggressor like bob would band ALL of the north against them - i still wonder who would win. I am not privy to the numbers of capital ships and pilots available to D2 and friends - but i hope its ALOT - and most of all i hope that what i believe to be the very weakest Link in D2 proves me wrong. My fear with D2 is that it is run by an accountant/economic corp. The negotiations between Trust and G were never concluded properly which is one of the main reasons that the likes of YouWhat sprang up (imo). The emphasis should have been on the money backing the pvpers all the way. Yet it was my impression that it was the other way around, the pvpers were never properly acknolwedged or listened too. that is why so very many of the good pvpers and FCs have left the game or the alliance, they just cant be bothered with it anymore. The VERY BEST times were G/IRON/FATE/RAZOR days. Looking back it is my opinion that they would have been the strongest people to fight BoB and so many of those bridges have been broken. As evidence of my statement i would like to point out that BoB were SO aware of the threat we posed back then that they got EVERY alliance ingame (almost) to blob us out. SHOCK and AWE. and they sure did that - - THATS what it took to break the back of us before. we were THAT much of a threat to them!! - now - not so much. Personally, i kick back - -eve isnt a 'life' for me anymore - its a game - and i sadly have the taste of being misunderstood by old friends and the sore taste of an unjustified defeat in my mouth by the contining ripples of the ec debacle. Out
MetalZero Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 11:58:00 - [106] Hull Cleaver ...go back to your hole ...alt ___________ ThunderCats
Rei Toai Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:06:00 - [107] Edited by: Rei Toai on 19/12/2006 12:09:36 Originally by: Nero Winger I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. uhm .. as far as i remember - only two (STV, FSP) from seven (STV, FSP; CE, ASW, TRIOP, DRDA, Moon7empler) left and formed -Y- ... and only STV can be recognized as a PvP force of the two in ex-G corps in -Y-. D¦ is different from G - that's correct. but to consider this difference as weakness only leads to wrong conclusions. D¦ might not be recognized as a strong force (mainly because D¦ is not that much into forum-warfare like many other entities) - but if they face a capable opponent, they will give them a good fight and also have a really good chance to come out on top. remember - D¦ was facing the longest and dullest POS campaign of ALL of EVE the last summer. i'm not sure if you can describe the current war in the south as a POSwar - you don't have sieges over systems that take weeks (mainly because of ****-ups by ASCN/some discussable 'tactics' by BoB). i estimate XZH was one of the most difficults campaigns for them. not only they were facing a node-breaking opponent in a situation to their disadvantage and though they had some major setbacks during this campaign (some of the operations/attempts to clean the system failed quite spectacular) they still kept up the pressure and kicked the GOONs out of XZH, more or less parallel a quick removal of SPARTA in deklein and after the GOON extravaganza in CR the quite long POSwar against TCF. BoB might appear as the super-stars of EVE (at least on the forum) ... but don't make the mistake to underestimate D¦. They have an economic power far beyond the one of G/IRON, they have more and better diplomatic relations than G/IRON had and they still have the dedication to fight even the most boring conflicts/battles. they have the player-skills, they have the money, they have the motivation to fight (maybe not to aggress, but definetly to defend) P.S.: oh - and don't forget: ganking/small scale PvP and fleetbattles are two different shoes __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:07:00 - [108] Edited by: Mindlles on 19/12/2006 12:15:22 Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? Can I help give you guys a push....the north is mighty nice right now, I know me and the Outbreak lad's out LOVE to get a chance at your motherships and that titan :) Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj More like "Here's a chance to attack something of 0utbreaks that can't run away!". Not having a go at you though, clearly you can't hang around until the blob arrives, you're a wee bit outnumbered up here. Yeah that little pos have given us alot off fun, ur blobs are rarley someting we run away from now, is it?. And about the topic, not that i really care, but fought them both. And well d2 would die as fast as ascn. And that is just a opion, fought both parts and that what i think, so no dissrespect =) Thats all =)
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:22:00 - [109] Originally by: Mindlles And about the topic, not that i really care, but fought them both. And well d2 would die as fast as ascn. And that is just a opion, fought both parts and that what i think, so no dissrespect =) Thats all =) In the end on a D2 alliance level nobody cares about Outbreak. If you see D2 KB you know where the PVP wings are operating and thats not in Venal. I think CE made you a visit in the 2 last days but 3 days ago they were in the East, who knows where they will be today. Not being disrespectful, is just my opinion =)
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:54:00 - [110] The realisation is finally setting in is it? Maybe today is the day Eve changes forever, we just don't know it yet. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.

NOObbody Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 12:55:00 - [111] We would have absolutly no (0) chance to win the war... in the forum!
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:26:00 - [112] as long as it don't get boring and unplayable like the goons in xzh in most stages of the war, i'm sure d2 will be welcome bob with warm guns. shooting bob was always the greatest pleasure for any g pilot and if d2 didnt sell the remaining "Gs modified 1400mm" and still values the G rules and requirements for fleet combat, any attacker will face hard times.
Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:29:00 - [113] Edited by: Fuffel on 19/12/2006 13:30:37 Quote: in the end on a D2 alliance level nobody cares about Outbreak. I do care and thank you all for for this wonderfull topic - feels so good to stand in the spot-light again. - precision is the death of relevance -
Deidranna SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Fuffel Edited by: Fuffel on 19/12/2006 13:29:39 Quote: in the end on a D2 alliance level nobody cares about Outbreak. I do care and thank you for all for this wonderfull topic - feels so good to stand in the spot-light again. feel free to post some secret convos with molle GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Deidranna Originally by: Fuffel Edited by: Fuffel on 19/12/2006 13:29:39 Quote: in the end on a D2 alliance level nobody cares about Outbreak. I do care and thank you for all for this wonderfull topic - feels so good to stand in the spot-light again. feel free to post some secret convos with molle after it took him like one year to actually understand and execute? no thanks - precision is the death of relevance -
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:42:00 - [116] Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Liet Traep And with no strong opponents in the south to distract D2 would be in for a tough time. The answer is yes. D2 can beat BoB. But only if they attack now. i think you misjudge AAA. when i think of strong alliances i think of Shifu No I deliberately didn't mention AAA or LV. AAA is fighting Axe and not in a position to take on BoB full on and LV has them napped. Either alliance could give BoB a good scrap i think.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:59:00 - [117] Originally by: Nero Winger I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. Well whne i was in Rise and we foguth against Yuowhat in xzh , Yuowhat would gotten slaughtered if not for Toxins Outbreak coming and alliyng with youwhat.Even with Toxins we gave them much trouble.And even tough i was proud of some things we did in Rise, we werent the most formidable force around... So i wouldnt believe youwhat is G core really... The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Bigfood Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:17:00 - [118] Edited by: Bigfood on 19/12/2006 14:18:35 "get's the white flag out omg we are doomed" thats the sentence what i hear over 2 years now when Mr BoB crushed an larger Alliance We will see what will happen on the fields in the next months on behalf of my opinion about D¦: From dust we came through the Dusk of the beginning, followed by a day of fire and hell we will end in Dawn to be dust again the when, where and how? tbh who cares time will tell PS: Rift whenever you want a rematch on CoH drop me an Eve-Mail
Koko Beware Minmatar Freebooting Profiteers	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:29:00 - [119] This thread is rather interesting, From my experience, D2 call the shots in the North. They can easily raise a 200 man fleet comprising solely of their "minor" allies and residents from Fade/Deklein and thats not even including IRON, RAZOR and Oxide etc. I don't live in the North currently. But when I left in early November, D2 had already started rallying the troops. We were told to expect a BoB attack on Branch within 40 days, which would be followed by a siege of Fade by BoB allies, attempting to capitalise on the situation while D2 had their hands full. We were all required to keep a minimum of 5 pvp ships in the area, fitted and ready for combat at a moments notice. So D2 have been expecting this for a while. However they have been pitching it in terms of being ready to fend off a BoB instigated conflict, not the other way round. Unlike ASCN, BoB are unlikely to catch D2 off-gaurd if they make a move, whether that will make any difference to the outcome is open to debate. Koko Beware Skipper -Freebooting Profiteers- [YOHO]
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:30:00 - [120] Originally by: Rei Toai remember - D¦ was facing the longest and dullest POS campaign of ALL of EVE the last summer. i'm not sure if you can describe the current war in the south as a POSwar - you don't have sieges over systems that take weeks (mainly because of ****-ups by ASCN/some discussable 'tactics' by BoB). The longest pos compaign was in the east and surely one of the longest wars. There are entities that have been at full war for over a year with heavy fighting in their own regions and hostile activity around the clock. D2 has to prove that they can stand a full war with no real rest in their area over a long time. A war that kills your wallets takes every penny you/your corp/your alliance earns over many many months and make carebears' lives miserable, just for the victory that might come or not. It's not only about having the shiniest toys, it's also about stamina and the will to give everything you have for the cause. We'll see, if d2 has it, once they are in that position. I know some entities in the east have/had it, that's why I respect them a lot, no matter how our relation is. And I think that BoB is the most impressive warmachine in EVE. If BoB goes ever down, then I hope in a good war. If just insane masses tried to ring them down in a big carebear offensive of like 10 alliances, then all my best wishes would go to BoB ofc. ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^

Redbad Minmatar Gingerbread Reapers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:51:00 - [121] Malafide mail.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:08:00 - [122] Originally by: Bigfood Edited by: Bigfood on 19/12/2006 14:18:35 "get's the white flag out omg we are doomed" thats the sentence what i hear over 2 years now when Mr BoB crushed an larger Alliance We will see what will happen on the fields in the next months on behalf of my opinion about D¦: From dust we came through the Dusk of the beginning, followed by a day of fire and hell we will end in Dawn to be dust again the when, where and how? tbh who cares time will tell PS: Rift whenever you want a rematch on CoH drop me an Eve-Mail Don't be getting all mushy and philosophical on us now Blog
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:23:00 - [123] ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:24:00 - [124] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Liet Traep And with no strong opponents in the south to distract D2 would be in for a tough time. The answer is yes. D2 can beat BoB. But only if they attack now. i think you misjudge AAA. when i think of strong alliances i think of Shifu No I deliberately didn't mention AAA or LV. AAA is fighting Axe and not in a position to take on BoB full on and LV has them napped. Either alliance could give BoB a good scrap i think. We have who what? Granted, I haven't been logged in the last couple days but bob was certainly red to me Thursday last week. -
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:31:00 - [125] Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? Hmmm... well from what I've know G/Iron spanked BOB in Deklein, but they were only slightly better then ASCN in Feith so is obviuos that ASCN will spank BOB
Nikita Fontaine Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:36:00 - [126] The thing about the north is that at the mere mention of BoB every northern entity begins grinding its teeth and growling. It is our one common foe, we are like a family we squabble amongst ourselves occasionally but when the person across the street abuses one of our family the whole family comes out to open a can of whupass. ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 15:56:00 - [127] Originally by: Bigfood PS: Rift whenever you want a rematch on CoH drop me an Eve-Mail Aye will do mate, or i'll catch you in CoH lobby. After reading this entire thread i've realised the one and only fact based peice of information that is not pure speculative crap is that myself, Thol & Bella lost a game of CoH with you guys. Although i here Nilie's team gave you a good working in round two ... hehe. This really is a tin-foil hattists wet-dream. zomg! BoB will Attack D2 next! zomg! D2 are going to attack BoB! zomg, zomg, zomg, zomg, my heads going to explode ..... If/When we two entities do knock heads i'm sure there will a squillion threads about that most of EvE won't care less about. Until then, give it up. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:03:00 - [128] Edited by: Player One on 19/12/2006 16:06:45 ups
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:12:00 - [129] Edited by: Marvel Master on 19/12/2006 16:23:35 My personal view. Band of Brothers are like the german football club "Bayern Mnnchen". They get the best pvplers because they are very attractive. They have very good forum warriors, wins every tournament and destroy what they want. Therefore it can be say, that they are the number 1 concerning pvp and industrial. That makes them interesting for the most high skilled players. Pvples and industrials. The north is very boring at the moment. Blue everywhere you look. Nothing to do. Thats nothing for pvplers. The aggression from the past has gone. D2 is today more a defense alliance. Conclusion: An attack war on bob space is very, very hard. Only combined with alliances possible. I think a kill ratio from (BoB) 60:40 (D2) is realistic and the war would be a battle of material only. In the end, nobody will win. D2 can not overtake BoB space, and Bob cannot overtake D2 space. But my hope is, that there will be in the future a nice war between this alliances lasting for months. Best regards, Marvel
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:15:00 - [130] Originally by: Voltron Originally by: slothe i dont think d2 could beat bob by themselves, but i think if d2 were to fight bob, others would be inspired and a multiple attack on bob would break them. i also think if there was a multiple attack youd find a lot ofbob members leaving, and if that happens bob would splinter into its corps eventually. I agree that if D2 were to spring into action (which I doubt very much to be honest) that you would see more "bandwagoners" join in. However i don't think that in that case you would see an outflow of BoB members. They ASK for this sort of thing all the time, literally ask for it. I think they would relish the opportunity to fight what would look like a one sided battle, and jump at the opportunity to try and find a way to win it. I'm no fan of BoB tbh, but that's my take on them and what they would do in such a situation. Volt I disagree.If bob where ever facing up against insurmountable odds,loosing stations,haveing to fight on multiple fronts they would moan and whine in the same manner as ascn,lv,iac and everybody else who is losing a war does.when people lose they dont like it.which makes more whining and acusing people of s**t and people leaving.bob want to fight like everybody else but they sure as hell dont want to lose.they already cant fight on 2 places at the same time and ascn knew this.unlucky for them they couldnt keep a foothold in TPAR/TCAG(whatever) bob are the best and sooner or later people will have their turn to judge them. YOU ONLY SING WHEN YOURE WINNING....SING WHEN YOURE WINNING!!!!

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:18:00 - [131] Edited by: Dianabolic on 19/12/2006 16:18:53 ASCN tried to fight us on two fronts and it cost them dearly. Think we can't fight at both ends of our space to defend our assets whilst taking yours? Try us. As for not wanting to lose, sure - who does? The difference between BoB and most of the rest of the apologist eve community is that when we lose we get straight back up in to the fight. We don't meander or seek to blame people, we take it on the chin, undock and make sure we learn from the experience. Whether we lose a freighter, a pos, a fleet or a capital ship the order of thought for a bob pilot goes: 1 - wtf 2 - resupply & refit 3 - re-engage As opposed to what most people do: 1 - wtf 2 - WTF 3 - BLAME HIM! Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:30:00 - [132] Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? Oh? Way I remember it; G and IRON came down to invade ASCN. We cut through SA like it wasn't there (1500 man alliance) and used their space to base out of. We took AZN in one week. Then BoB attacked our home while we weren't there, so we came all the way back and chased them off. If we didn't, ascn would have died. Compare that to BoBs drawn out campaign against ASCN atm. -omg-
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:32:00 - [133] Edited by: SwindonBadger on 19/12/2006 16:34:33 I know my opinion but what bob corp has the biggest todger>? this is a very lame attempt to get u fighting each other ! :) cos it will happen soonor or later if u run out of good targets, u know what I meen, that lust, burning lust that drives u into the wee hours and sleapy mornings just to get in on the action. Is it decided that one is the daddy out of the corps? aqnd dont you think its time u tested that again to find out eddit + wonders about dian in a tu tu
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:33:00 - [134] Originally by: hired goon Compare that to BoBs drawn out campaign against ASCN atm. Different conflict, HG. If you want we can compare all the stats in the game (how many ASCN stations did you take, for example? Most ships killed in one day? How many cap ships did you kill?) But the game is different, and so is this conflict. We gave you a good excuse to pull out of Feyth at the time and you took it - you guys still haven't got the testicular fortitude to attack us in our home so I'd be wary of the "chased off" remarks, too. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:25:00 - [135] Originally by: Nero Winger I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. U made my day - get ur intel from the ppl not the forum. About unorganized fleets, yeah right we are all t1 flying, not on ts listening npc grinders - oh damn no thats ascn. and with most of the G corps being still in D2 it seems like that d2 is much more G then Y, cause have u check the members of YouWhat latley - no, then go check it. So as ascn seems to be beaten, we are now gettin the "d2 vs bob" threads? About the speculation, that we are already beaten, G has always been underdog and gave bob quiet a good fight, instead of most other alliances here. D2 is not G but the spirit remains. So personaly i like being the underdog, better then joining the band waggon like a few ppl here and then chestbeating as loud as poissble on the forum
vladdy2 VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:33:00 - [136] so this is the latest Tin-Foil hat post huh? Nice. Can someone make us a new Holiday Season Hat pweeze. maybe some nice Shiny x-mas Lights n Mistletoe hanging off/sticking out of it, I think they'd be hot sellers this time of year. yea BoB vs D2 (and the rest of us would be fun) nehow Merry Christmas and Happy Freakin' Out!!! blah blah this is not your opinion, nor your Alts, its just crap till they pooh on YOU! ---------------------------------
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:05:00 - [137] Outbreak got a couple of very small fleet style fights with D2 this weekend. They had some notable FC's and older characters there. From what I could tell their core is disciplined and experienced. The claims made on the forums that D2 are just carebears are wrong. They could have legions of experienced fleet fighters, I don't know, but they certainly had at least a small group that had all the right stuff. They have the nucleus of experience they need to crystallize into a tough opponent.
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:21:00 - [138] Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 19/12/2006 16:18:53 ASCN tried to fight us on two fronts and it cost them dearly. Think we can't fight at both ends of our space to defend our assets whilst taking yours? Try us. As for not wanting to lose, sure - who does? The difference between BoB and most of the rest of the apologist eve community is that when we lose we get straight back up in to the fight. We don't meander or seek to blame people, we take it on the chin, undock and make sure we learn from the experience. Whether we lose a freighter, a pos, a fleet or a capital ship the order of thought for a bob pilot goes: 1 - wtf 2 - resupply & refit 3 - re-engage As opposed to what most people do: 1 - wtf 2 - WTF 3 - BLAME HIM! Diana, I think you did not fight on 2 fronts while taking ascn space.That would be 3 fronts.you fought in TPAR/TCAG and had to pull out of ascn space to do it while leaving "pet"corps in fountain to deal with Insurgency.only when you beat back ascn from your space did you go to paragon soul. now you push ascn back in their space and still are leaving xelas and horde in fountain.2 months now and you have not got rid of insurgency and fountain is starting to look more and more like ascn space(dead of life). at no point have you EVER defended both ends of your space AND took space from anyone. YOU ONLY SING WHEN YOUR WINNING...SING WHEN YOUR WINNING!!!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:38:00 - [139] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/12/2006 18:39:04 Strange, I recall killing some dreads and carriers in fountain the other day... We did two fronts, not three. The tcag/paragon area is one front as TCAG is a choke into paragon. The second front was Y-2ano. If you don't really mind we won't be concerning ourselves with random infestations in npc station systems right now, that can wait as it's no threat to our dominance. Y-2 however had soem capitl ship attention from STK-S and Insurgency. That's when we deployed part of our Delve alt squad there and killed their shippies. So yes, two fronts, not three, and seeing how STK and ASCn seem to have largely left Fountain I'd say that they've given up on the two front thing seeing our ability to deploy capitals in two places at the same time if neededd. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:44:00 - [140] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? Oh? Way I remember it; G and IRON came down to invade ASCN. We cut through SA like it wasn't there (1500 man alliance) and used their space to base out of. We took AZN in one week. Then BoB attacked our home while we weren't there, so we came all the way back and chased them off. If we didn't, ascn would have died. Compare that to BoBs drawn out campaign against ASCN atm. Can I have that ***** pipe when you have finished with it please. Thanks.

rodgerd Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:49:00 - [141] BoB's latest forum pet kicks off the topic, and BoB pile in with their opinions. Begun, the forum whoring has! I wonder how long it is before BoB can make up, sorry, carefully edit together some alleged internal D¦ comms proving we have plans to *****SirMolle's sister's cousin's dog or something and must be cleansed from the game. -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:56:00 - [142] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Nero Winger I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. U made my day - get ur intel from the ppl not the forum. About unorganized fleets, yeah right we are all t1 flying, not on ts listening npc grinders - oh damn no thats ascn. and with most of the G corps being still in D2 it seems like that d2 is much more G then Y, cause have u check the members of YouWhat latley - no, then go check it. So as ascn seems to be beaten, we are now gettin the "d2 vs bob" threads? About the speculation, that we are already beaten, G has always been underdog and gave bob quiet a good fight, instead of most other alliances here. D2 is not G but the spirit remains. So personaly i like being the underdog, better then joining the band waggon like a few ppl here and then chestbeating as loud as poissble on the forum you made my day m8. I just tell what I remember how it was when I once was in G. The corporations who fought the most and were always on the front were Cataclysm Ent. and STV. STV is now Y. And TriOp with its daily active member, maybe 12 of em is a good PvP corporation and have some good PvP'ers in it but your numbers are weak and not of any big importance in a great war like D2 and BoB could make one day. -SIG- Personally i do not flame at anybody --- BUT --- If you flame at me, do not expect that i will not return it in the same way....
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:39:00 - [143] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? Oh? Way I remember it; G and IRON came down to invade ASCN. We cut through SA like it wasn't there (1500 man alliance) and used their space to base out of. We took AZN in one week. Then BoB attacked our home while we weren't there, so we came all the way back and chased them off. If we didn't, ascn would have died. Compare that to BoBs drawn out campaign against ASCN atm. It took you guys a mth to take 1 station from ascn, and that was from spamming towers which they promptly took bak the next day. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:00:00 - [144] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 19/12/2006 20:01:36 Originally by: Dianabolic (...) 1 - wtf 2 - resupply & refit 3 - re-engage As opposed to what most people do: 1 - wtf 2 - WTF 3 - BLAME HIM! lol. Here what we did in the north was : 0 - ZOMG Blitz (...) 1 - WTF (we're french speaking and latin lovers, so speaking quiet is not made for us if not at bed :p ) 2 - refit/resuply 3 - tank around 5000 players Watch out D¦, what they did to us was : 1 - wtf 2 - wait (ally are roaming anyway) 3 - refitsupttack in mass. 4 - wtf 5 - wait (ally are roaming anyway) 6 - refitsupttack in mass. (...lol...) 598 - wtf 599 - wait (ally are fed up with roaming anyway) 600 - refit 601 - resup 602 - attack in masses with allys for the 5th time 603 - win
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:15:00 - [145] Edited by: QwaarJet on 19/12/2006 22:17:14 Originally by: Selpy Edited by: Selpy on 18/12/2006 22:55:57 Originally by: Hast why dont you let us pick our own targets? Can I help give you guys a push....the north is mighty nice right now, I know me and the Outbreak lad's would LOVE to get a chance at your motherships and that titan :) Not to mention you'd get some good fight's, seem's that the north can rally quite well, I mean, we had 5 alliances showup to kill our small POS in 6nj Yeah, I was there. The display of power was awesome. The North is at it's peak at the moment. We are more confident and skilled than ever, and I believe we could go down South right now and kill BoB. It would be insanely hard, but D2 are the best fleet battlers in EVE bar none. In small gangs BoB are better, but Morsus Mihi are the small gang specialists for the North, so we'd be in the front lines. When things went to Alliance level, D2 would have a massive upper hand. Hopefully when(not if) we go down South to face BoB, we'll demonstrate to the whole of EVE(and the EVETV guys who know nothing about the North) how powerful the Northern Triumvirate(D2, RAZOR and Morsus Mihi) can be. Together, I think we are pretty much unbeatable. And let's not forget the last time BoB came up North for fleet battles. They tried to take Deklien, but got obliterated and sent back South licking their wounds. And the North is a lot stronger now under D2 than they were with IRON. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Nero Winger Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Nero Winger I go with the theory of -YouWhat- is the new true G alliance. looking at the coporations in YouWhat its easy to tell that there are the most of the former G corporation in it and partly the best PvP'ers of former G and todays D2. When YouWhat formed and left D2 the only thing thats left in D2 are cearbears and those former G corporations/people who do not want to recognize they made a mistake in forming up D2 and disbanding G. so i do not give D2 a good chaince of getting a feed dpwn against BoB. The whole north... uncordinated like ASCN fleets... is only sometimes a blobthread to any agressor but not really a PvP thread. U made my day - get ur intel from the ppl not the forum. About unorganized fleets, yeah right we are all t1 flying, not on ts listening npc grinders - oh damn no thats ascn. and with most of the G corps being still in D2 it seems like that d2 is much more G then Y, cause have u check the members of YouWhat latley - no, then go check it. So as ascn seems to be beaten, we are now gettin the "d2 vs bob" threads? About the speculation, that we are already beaten, G has always been underdog and gave bob quiet a good fight, instead of most other alliances here. D2 is not G but the spirit remains. So personaly i like being the underdog, better then joining the band waggon like a few ppl here and then chestbeating as loud as poissble on the forum you made my day m8. I just tell what I remember how it was when I once was in G. The corporations who fought the most and were always on the front were Cataclysm Ent. and STV. STV is now Y. And TriOp with its daily active member, maybe 12 of em is a good PvP corporation and have some good PvP'ers in it but your numbers are weak and not of any big importance in a great war like D2 and BoB could make one day. First of start ur reply a bit more creative, using the same paragraphe makes u look kind of uncreative. What u rember back once, was 2005, and yes back then it was like that. But things have changed a lot. So get ur intel from the ppl and not only the forum. Might wanna check who left stv and who joined latley. Which should give a better picture. Not only corp whise but also alliance whise. About Triop, back then more then a year ago, it might have looked like that. But things have changed triop is participating in larger groups in good numbers which are more then 12. As u see d2 vs bob is a war between alliances, which means its about alliance warfare, in that warfare its about alliance numbers and not about corp members. But be sure that TriOp is aiding D2 with numbers quiet well. But as u have proven, keep ur outdated intel as true and be suprised once we meet on the alliance warfare level.
Alex SOKOLOFF Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.20 00:10:00 - [147] Would be nice to see BoB comming to attack D2. That promises fights that eve never saw before. Lots of capital ships involved, especially Titans. All conflicts that you got now in the south wont match it. Tbh i really want it to begin That would be really long lasting war with no winners at the end. Ps Im sure Jita wont be able to supply us with 425mm, 1400mm and tachyons :D
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 00:13:00 - [148] So much useless chest-beating.
Sir PatrickMoore Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 00:17:00 - [149] lol /me beats chest The Sky At Night \| Freedom 1 \| HydroDuct
Martini20 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:03:00 - [150] Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you.

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:21:00 - [151] Edited by: fire 59 on 20/12/2006 11:23:17 Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you. Will probably be a fun campaign when it happens. To the morhus mihi guy who said d2 are the master's of fleet combat. We met once if i remember when d2 took a wander dwn our way and we had a very bloody battle, they took more bs losses and we took more support losses (dam cmd woodlouse in t2 rupture thingy) . I think it would be an awesome war becasue they like to use cap ships alot as do we so there may even be some capital fleet battle's , drool. Edit - Where is woodlouse these days? Used to see him on the forums all the time How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 12:57:00 - [152] a very good decision, as you are in the south for quite awhile. good choice of alliance and I hope you enjoy their ts - precision is the death of relevance -
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:18:00 - [153] Originally by: Fuffel Edited by: Fuffel on 20/12/2006 13:15:12 wrong thread I was wondering
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:23:00 - [154] Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you. Give it time. We are busy finishing a job you couldn't. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Eurydyke	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:32:00 - [155] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you. Give it time. We are busy finishing a job you couldn't. Killing Celes?
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:38:00 - [156] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you. Give it time. We are busy finishing a job you couldn't. Hehe. I think we will have a lot of fun, if a real enemy come to us. A lot of guys would come back to eve, if there is such a nice chance to fight. The most pvplers are offline since month... As regards the ASCN Job. You can kill all there pos and overtake the outposts, but if you left the area, they could come back. You cannot fight againt ASCN and D2. The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:42:00 - [157] Originally by: Marvel Master The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel That sounds bloody brilliant tbh Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.20 14:06:00 - [158] bob would kick their asses! Couldn't be bothered reading it all, but d2 is a shadow of it's former south, lose some NAPs, toughten up a bit, give your FCs some proper work, stop mining so much. You've got the ability to be an alliance which could stand up to Bob, but at the moment the direction that you're travelling doesn't suggest that. The loss of Black Lance suggests this even more so. It's all upto D2, and what their leaders want to make it. goes back to mining -----------------------------------------------
Ciphero Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.12.20 14:08:00 - [159] I think D2 taking on BoB by themselves would be interesting to see, but not clever on the part of D2. With ASCN undoubtedly stumbling, D2 are now surely in second (or, at worst, third) place when it comes to all around ability, but probably too far behind the Bobbits to really make much of a dent. D2 attacking from the north and LV attacking from the east, however, would be one to watch.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:35:00 - [160] Originally by: Marvel Master The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel I think you have us confused with alliances that have no determination. One comes to mind.... I WONDER IF YOU CAN GUESS WHO I AM THINKING OF. Hint- Starts with a G Hint- Ends with a G [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.

dailyhazard Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:43:00 - [161] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Marvel Master The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel I think you have us confused with alliances that have no determination. One comes to mind.... I WONDER IF YOU CAN GUESS WHO I AM THINKING OF. Hint- Starts with a G Hint- Ends with a G Bitter much? Jesus bob really should stop flaming other alliances, when an alliance thats such an easy target(according to themselves) has taken so long to wear down (even with the well placed alt posting and the usual bob forum rubbish).
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:53:00 - [162] Originally by: Marvel Master Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:05:03 Edited by: Martini20 on 20/12/2006 02:04:22 We will see waht the time brings. I think many Guys wait a long time to have the chance to fight bob. So dont talk now BOB come too us and lets fight. I will wait for you. Give it time. We are busy finishing a job you couldn't. Hehe. I think we will have a lot of fun, if a real enemy come to us. A lot of guys would come back to eve, if there is such a nice chance to fight. The most pvplers are offline since month... As regards the ASCN Job. You can kill all there pos and overtake the outposts, but if you left the area, they could come back. You cannot fight againt ASCN and D2. The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel Wrong I think.Dont forget Fix(are the main force i think),Xelas,Horde,Dark light and all the other people who live in Bob space.Not to mention the corps/ alliances who will be installed in feythabolis when Bob are finished.If D2 attacked now it is assumbed that Fix would join in.which would be good for IAC.which would be good for RAGOON.and good for AAA (who are wanting Fix space after AXE).and AAA are NAPd/friends with D2 and RAGOON as well. All it needs is AAA to defeat AXE and in a few months you are left with: RAGOON,AAA,D2,IAC v Bob,LV,Fix,DL,Bob"pet " corps. who would ASCN refugees help? i have a headache thinking who will attack who next?
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:53:00 - [163] Originally by: dailyhazard Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Marvel Master The new leaders of ASCN have only to wait, that you leave. After this, they put up new poses, get back all outposts and the situation is same like 3 month ago. Marvel I think you have us confused with alliances that have no determination. One comes to mind.... I WONDER IF YOU CAN GUESS WHO I AM THINKING OF. Hint- Starts with a G Hint- Ends with a G Bitter much? Jesus bob really should stop flaming other alliances, when an alliance thats such an easy target(according to themselves) has taken so long to wear down (even with the well placed alt posting and the usual bob forum rubbish). If that's how you measure ones right's to post, you should have stopped posting ages ago.
Mang0o Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:59:00 - [164] no one can beat bob, thay are the best pvpers in the world, thay even so good that thay beat pepole in wow without knowing it... and so good that pepole in diablo2 insta pops and go wtf.. bob is so cool.. d2 cant win over them.. I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:20:00 - [165] D2 v BoB is unlikely to happen soon. Why? The two alliances live practically the opposite side of the Eve Universe. BoB has RAGOON closer to home (and arguably a bigger threat), and still has a lot of mopping up of ASCN to do. D2 on the other hand, has a wealth of new regions next door, which will probably provide hours of fun. Depending on who you believe in the ASCN v BoB thread, the MC allegedly rejected an offer of 40b to attack BoB. They'd probably reject a similar offer to attack D2; so it's down to the case of which alliance can afford to attack the other. Unless both the alliances agree to fight over a 3rd area, noone will want to engage in the heavily entrenched enemy territory. It's not even as if D2 or BoB have friendly alliances near the other's borders. It freaks me a little that people are already asking what BoBs next target will be, and wildly speculating alliances in a hope that one will rise up to the trolling and attack. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:24:00 - [166] Originally by: Mang0o no one can beat bob, thay are the best pvpers in the world, thay even so good that thay beat pepole in wow without knowing it... and so good that pepole in diablo2 insta pops and go wtf.. bob is so cool.. d2 cant win over them.. You're trying so hard to be witty, you are forgetting to make sense. You fail. Try again. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
qw3l InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:36:00 - [167] Edited by: qw3l on 20/12/2006 16:36:36 Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Mang0o no one can beat bob, thay are the best pvpers in the world, thay even so good that thay beat pepole in wow without knowing it... and so good that pepole in diablo2 insta pops and go wtf.. bob is so cool.. d2 cant win over them.. You're trying so hard to be witty, you are forgetting to make sense. You fail. Try again. yeah Mang0o, YOU SUCK! ..cause a BoB-member said so
dailyhazard Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:49:00 - [168] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Mang0o no one can beat bob, thay are the best pvpers in the world, thay even so good that thay beat pepole in wow without knowing it... and so good that pepole in diablo2 insta pops and go wtf.. bob is so cool.. d2 cant win over them.. You're trying so hard to be witty, you are forgetting to make sense. You fail. Try again. I dont know how good you are at posting when it comes to making sense Quote: Hint- Starts with a G Hint- Ends with a G How cant you like g-unit?
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:11:00 - [169] Didnt know Black Lance left until just now.Looks like corps in D2 are wanting war with Bob now but the high comand say "no". ----------------------------------------------------------- This space reserved for in 6 months D2 pilots to post- "We told you so" Then Bob can attack Eveforums and tell D2 they have "weak" leaders who do not listen to their members and should have attacked earlier. -----------------------------------------------------------
probablecause Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:14:00 - [170] Wow six pages of replies to such troll bait. You can't compare who beat who in the past as any indicator of future wars. The game has changed a lot, and so have the alliances involved. Cheers __________________ "Buttons are not toys"

shadyfox99 Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:14:00 - [171] I don't know if D2 could take BOB head on, but it would more than likely be an amazing war. But i doubt it would be just BOB vs D2. The more i think aobut it, and the more i read about different wars going on, the more i see 2 sides forming, although some aren't directly connected. On one side, you have Team A: RA, Goonfleet, IAC, TCF are all allied. Now i've heard rumors that D2 are somehow allied to RA. Either way, when it comes to fighting Team B, they would be allied. ASCN and the rest of the north would be lumped into this team also, because they generally don't like BOB. oops, forgot aAa, im assuming they'd be in this group. Team B: BOB, FIX, Xelas. Many people would put MC on this side. Now LV (last i heard) have BOB red, but they are also fighting RA, goons, etc, and i think LV would be much quicker to work with BOB against RA than align with RA against BOB. ATM, many alliances within these "teams" arent working together. For example, BOB isn't helping FIX or LV or MC in their wars, and vice versa. And although they may never all come together to fight at one place and time, I still see a division between 2 sides forming more and more often.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:35:00 - [172] Fact of the matter is, no matter how wealthy and "powerful" ASCN may have been, they've never been known for their PvP prowess. When it comes to BoB vs. the North (it would never be just BoB vs. D2), I can name at least a hundred experienced pilots that would be salivating at the chance to fend them off with everything they have. Again, much different than what we have seen from ASCN. As far as logistics and game mechanics go, it's a no brainer. D2 has tons of experience in POS warfare, and you will never see the multitude of mistakes that ASCN made in defending their systems. The prolonged campaigns in XZH and in Tribute are testament to this. It's very difficult to take down POS against a competent and willing foe without a sizable 23/7 force. With the proper logistics and use of game mechanics, along with the sheer numbers and timezone coverage, ASCN should have never lost the numbers of POS that they have. It's not that difficult to fuel up a POS to come out of reinforced at a time that you have the advantage, the problem is that ASCN never had an advantage due to lack of skilled, willing, and dedicated pilots. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Eutectic Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.21 07:29:00 - [173] As long as we're discussing this, I think it should also be worth noting that unlike ASCN, D2 has friends and allies established over a long period of time as D2 and as former G/Trust. Backstabbing and plotting on ASCN's part has pretty much assured that the majority of Eve alliances were not willing to help them. In Eve reputation is everything and ASCN's by and large is not too grand among many that have had dealings with them.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.21 07:56:00 - [174] I just don't see why someone would care to fight someone from the north, logistically it would be a nightmare. Now if D2 lived in the south then you got yourself a potential war. There is just too much happening in the south, you really won't run out of targets unless you occupy the entire southern area (which we know is impossible). As long as there is someone next door who isn't wearing the same alliance tag it may become a potential future threat, regardless of the current diplomatic status of each party. After all nothing is 100% these days. Don't hate me, learn to love me
oil University of Caille	Posted - 2006.12.21 08:19:00 - [175] Edited by: oil on 21/12/2006 08:21:02
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2006.12.21 08:28:00 - [176] Edited by: searchi on 21/12/2006 08:27:53 as for g beating ascn i beg to differ. after steamrolling sa within a week. spirits were high. then the problems started. 1. the long supply line (60) jumps to transport material (pos, fuel, ships). the freighters had to be brought back to empire too. all this trough the remnants of sa sitting in stain just waiting for a blunder of one of the convoys. meaning you had to send a medium sized fleet with them everytime. those convoys took sometimes half a day. and that at least every second day. 2. timezone: at our primetime g ruled azn but at european night time ascn could undo all our progress at will 3. numbers. there were max 150 g chars active in the area (my wild guess) and they were never logged in at the same time, a good number escorting the convoys. in my personal opinion our allies were not as active as could have been wished. i think they could have placed another 100 chars in c9n/azn but if i remember right it was less than that. (correct me if i am wrong) 4. planning blunder: azn was atacked first with spamming small pos (only the number of online pos counted at that time not the size) that was undone by ascn in the night. next azn was atacked with MEDIUM pos. that was undone in the night. what was the reasoning for this will forever be haunting my mind because it was the decisive aspect of the whole campaign. i think it was the isk factor. spamming large pos at the first atempt would have broken ascn souverainity long enough to break them imo but wth. it is as it is. sidenote: after goon atacked xzh the response of the d2 leadership was to place what was it?. 2 more pos than goon had. goon brougt 5 more in the night. d2 response: 10 more pos. that was countered in the night by goon. it took a month and losses of many billion isk to finally get the necessary 30 or what new pos in the system. then it was over. lesson: if you strike, than strike decisive or you will regret it 5: lost fleetbattle: there was a decisive battle in azn which could have made a difference: 50 g + allies vs 150 ascn. at the end ascn held the field trough the ability to get into new ships within 2 minutes and the use of 4 or 5 dreads. 200 ships destroyed but still the battle was finally lost. there was a good sized iron fleet on the way but that was held up long enough in stain by sa to be too late to make a difference. victory was certainly possible but it didnt happen. didnt make sense to continue then and even if ascn was near finished they had the upper hand that time. arjun
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.12.21 09:24:00 - [177] The G war against us (ascn alt, I know, I know) was actually much better than this war with BoB due to the levels of smack and crap flying about, but the previous poster was correct, the US TZ won it for us in the end. G were good. As for the OP question, if the current D2 are as good as the G of old, but with Trust and more added, then i'd say yes, BoB could have a very, very serious contender.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.21 10:02:00 - [178] how not to fight a war the truth is d2 have now done what bob have done down south ( invade FIX and other areas and rent out space to friendly alliances) d2 has done the same up north their territory and pilot numbers are about even with BOB any war would be damaging to both sides but fun. of course u have RAGOON sitting over there to fighting with LV RAGOON forgot to build a titan which means LV has one and probably soon 2 going up BOB probably dont mind LV with a titan but their war with ASCN is far from over to These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:05:00 - [179] Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? that was G and not D2 pers. and in G we had this huuge timezone problem, all germans you know.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:07:00 - [180] Originally by: Miss Overlord how not to fight a war the truth is d2 have now done what bob have done down south ( invade FIX and other areas and rent out space to friendly alliances) d2 has done the same up north their territory and pilot numbers are about even with BOB any war would be damaging to both sides but fun. of course u have RAGOON sitting over there to fighting with LV RAGOON forgot to build a titan which means LV has one and probably soon 2 going up BOB probably dont mind LV with a titan but their war with ASCN is far from over to Wow, you are the best armchair general who hasnt got a clue, ever. Seriously though, wtf are you on. Every day you troll bob post's or whatever and come up with way's to beat BoB (most of which have been tried and failed ) or are just horribly wrong. Like the other day you made out a bob director gave you top secret info etc, i mean c'mon, do you believe your own dribble. I'd be interested to see who your main is tbh How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.

Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:26:00 - [181] HIs 'main' (albeit equally nub) is "Ollobrains" Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:23:00 - [182] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 First of start ur reply a bit more creative, using the same paragraphe makes u look kind of uncreative. What u rember back once, was 2005, and yes back then it was like that. But things have changed a lot. So get ur intel from the ppl and not only the forum. Might wanna check who left stv and who joined latley. Which should give a better picture. Not only corp whise but also alliance whise. About Triop, back then more then a year ago, it might have looked like that. But things have changed triop is participating in larger groups in good numbers which are more then 12. As u see d2 vs bob is a war between alliances, which means its about alliance warfare, in that warfare its about alliance numbers and not about corp members. But be sure that TriOp is aiding D2 with numbers quiet well. But as u have proven, keep ur outdated intel as true and be suprised once we meet on the alliance warfare level. there is need of creativity and posting facts only when your name is Gyro D. otherwise I dont see the need of creativity in posting facts. forum is a ***** and I prefer simplicity. with your statements you have prooven that my old informations were right, therefore I assume my new ones are right to. anyway, when the time has come, prove me that I am wrong - until then: My Eyes, My Mind > Your Forum Smack sincerly, see you ingame (if you are not only a forum warrior) -SIG- Personally i do not flame at anybody --- BUT --- If you flame at me, do not expect that i will not return it in the same way....
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:29:00 - [183] Edited by: DeadDuck on 21/12/2006 12:33:53 Originally by: Nero Winger see you ingame (if you are not only a forum warrior) Only by suggesting that he might be only a forum warrior reveals how much you know about D2
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:40:00 - [184] Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 21/12/2006 12:33:53 Originally by: Nero Winger see you ingame (if you are not only a forum warrior) Only by suggesting that he might be only a forum warrior reveals how much you know about D2 Sadly, against a true Forum Warrior, BoB dont stand a chance. So far all I have seen in the first day of my wardec against them (link in sig) is that they log. Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:43:00 - [185] This is really the most ridiculous thread. In the words of Monty Python "Stop that, it's silly!". Blog
Rei Toai Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:45:00 - [186] Originally by: Nero Winger My Eyes, My Mind > Your Forum Smack your eyes and your mind != facts __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:07:00 - [187] Originally by: Blacklight This is really the most ridiculous thread. In the words of Monty Python "Stop that, it's silly!". Ohhh so the thread was ok until I said that 'some' bob pilots log? I mean, I am a 1 man corp in a gank cruiser. Sure, there were 2 logistics ships remote repairing me, but that is moot point! Join Eve Forum Warriors Free Wardecs on Alliances! A Pirates Dream!
DrRockIT Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:13:00 - [188] A lot of peeps in here forgot to mention that eve is allways evolving. When G hit ASCN about a yeahr ago, Capitals where not that common like theyre today. If u had like 7 Dreads people went OMG, today u have 20+ in a gang if u seriously want to kill POSs in a moderate timeframe. We might not steamrolled them in taken stations like BoB did nowadays, but in almost every fleetbattle we won most of them heavily outnumbered. Also G didnt used forum and Teamspeak spys and by Gs former size there was no option to hold new claimed territory without leaving our Homes in the north. So all u self claimed Eve-History experts step back a little and stop all the comparisons between old G and actual BoB because u cant compare them.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:21:00 - [189] Originally by: Blacklight This is really the most ridiculous thread. In the words of Monty Python "Stop that, it's silly!". QFT. To the general audience: It will come to blows between BOB and the North again, it's just a matter of time. When that situation arises you will know and instead of just armchair generalling here and now in this thread please put your time and effort into making sure you're on the winning side when it does come to blows again. That way we'll all get as much fun as possible out of it.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:31:00 - [190] Originally by: DrRockIT A lot of peeps in here forgot to mention that eve is allways evolving. When G hit ASCN about a yeahr ago, Capitals where not that common like theyre today. If u had like 7 Dreads people went OMG, today u have 20+ in a gang if u seriously want to kill POSs in a moderate timeframe. We might not steamrolled them in taken stations like BoB did nowadays, but in almost every fleetbattle we won most of them heavily outnumbered. K/L ratio was indeed very good. You definatly got alot more kills than them. However that isn't winning. While you did meet some of your war objectives they were not easy battles and you didnt hold on to what you took and even though you did get more kills it was quite a stuggle and took you multiple attempts to meet any of your objectives. It was by no means a one sided fight. I'm not sure if I'm understanding right but are you implying that D2 today is stronger than G was? Originally by: DrRockIT Also G didnt used forum and Teamspeak spys That's not true at all. Originally by: DrRockIT So all u self claimed Eve-History experts step back a little and stop all the comparisons between old G and actual BoB because u cant compare them. We would be comparing D2 and BoB but I can't recall D2 fighting any actual major wars. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-

Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:41:00 - [191] I'll ask this mainly because I really never met BoB....how big is there capital fleet? Or D2 for that matter? I'm asking compared to LV's capital fleet...not trying to start anything...just curious for my own personal knowledge....
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:43:00 - [192] Originally by: Silvestri I'll ask this mainly because I really never met BoB....how big is there capital fleet? Or D2 for that matter? I'm asking compared to LV's capital fleet...not trying to start anything...just curious for my own personal knowledge.... You havent seen LV's capital fleet either lol.. they didn't bring dreadnaughts :) Anyway LV, D2 ,Bob cap fleet is probably quite similar in size. But its not size that counts its how you use it.. I mean ASCN cap fleet was same size as bobs possibly even bigger.
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:45:00 - [193] thanx Eleese...true on how you use it....I'm sure LV didn't bring it all...I was curious. I have new found respect for LV.....I didn't really realize how big they are...
Just Smith Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:02:00 - [194] I believe we have the smallest capital fleet if your are comparing us to d2 or bob. As eleese said it's not size it's how you use it, and to quote my hero one of my heros Edmund: I certainly am, sir. I didn't realise we had any battle plans. Melchett: Well, of course we have! How else do you think the battles are directed? Edmund: Our battles are directed, sir? Melchett: Well, of course they are, Blackadder -- directed according to the Grand Plan.
dicemen4 Viper Squad	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:09:00 - [195] TBH i do not think any one alliance can take out BOB because what is backing the war machine know as bob XS FIX and maybe if things got really bad throw MC into the fight.It would take atleast 2 major alliance to take bob head on thats in my eyes tbh and if anybody said this before im sry but im not reading 7 pages of whatever
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:15:00 - [196] Originally by: dicemen4 TBH i do not think any one alliance can take out BOB because what is backing the war machine know as bob XS FIX and maybe if things got really bad throw MC into the fight.It would take atleast 2 major alliance to take bob head on thats in my eyes tbh and if anybody said this before im sry but im not reading 7 pages of whatever Then why post? You brought nothing to the thread. I've read all 7 pages though. So here's my summary. Nobody knows until it happens. It might never happen. BoB might split apart after ASCN. D2 might do the same. BoB and D2 might NAP and decide to split 0.0 between them, and obliterate LV/Ragoon/AAA/ASCN/Everybody. Eve might have a database crash and we'd all be starting with 0 SP again without corps. The world might end tomorrow. We might all say at Christmas, in a fit of benevolence that the shooty shooty has to stop, and we might all carebear until the end of Eve (about 2 weeks I reckon).
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.21 15:28:00 - [197] Originally by: dicemen4 TBH i do not think any one alliance can take out BOB because what is backing the war machine know as bob XS FIX and maybe if things got really bad throw MC into the fight.It would take atleast 2 major alliance to take bob head on thats in my eyes tbh and if anybody said this before im sry but im not reading 7 pages of whatever It would take more than 2 major alliances....and merc's...
Shinjuro The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:45:00 - [198] Originally by: Murukan IBNP OMFG Muru you forum *****.
Mang0o Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:51:00 - [199] Originally by: liquidism Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? that was G and not D2 pers. and in G we had this huuge timezone problem, all germans you know. lol yeah i remember pers use to pwn eve with her forsaken empire allinace.. D2 BOB or ASCN did not stand a chance.. (sry had to) I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:57:00 - [200] G/IRON/RZR vs ASCN war didn't start as such. We were just gonna pwn stain then go home(for stains little 200 man BS station grap stunt they pulled.) Then while down there in force ASCN whom we were originally cool with from fights in both ASCN and Northern territories started seeing what we were doing to stain and started getting nervous(assumption on my part) that we were down south for more than stain. They started amasing huge BS fleets and convoing people saying they shouldn't go into ASCN space and the like. G/IRON/RZR didn't like this. So after threats by ASCN which was basically the same as shooting us led to the infamous "G/IRON/RZR are -10 forever for shooting us while blue incident". Meanwhile back at the ranch(a.k.a Dekelein), BoB spies were reporting that "no one is freaking here". They are pos full of zydrine and a station ripe for the taking because no one is freaking here. So being the opprotunist that they are BoB waltzed in to Deklein and started decimating our shoe string support. A few pilots tried valiantly to hold back the assault but to no avail. Then they took the station and then took down the killboard and erased everything(Kraph erased the board, not sure if BoB leadership had any say about it). The G/IRON plan was to let them do whatever and just take the station back whenever. However the forum propoganda machine fired up..you know the selling our station, IRON sucks, etc... G/IRON/RZR were BBQing the ASCN fleets. Anyone who thinks diffrently was either not involved in the fighting or are braindead. However hearing about mates getting slaugheterd and how the crokite roids were growing uncontrollably, IRON decided to go home to save our exotic strippers from the ravenous BoB horde. G who never really wanted to kill ASCN in the first place decides to come help us. The opening engangements were BoB vs G/IRON. Then IRON and resident corps started forming big arse fleets constantly. The battles were give and take. IRON had the numbers, BoB had better tactics imo at the time. Then BoB who didn't want our region to begin with decided hmm this isn't fun anymore weve had our laugh were gonna leave. But as usual the forum exit strategy said they were leaving on their own timetable and not because of angry carebears. Meanwhile, back in Middle Earth, ASCN claimed victory over the G/IRON/RZR barbarians saying they repelled the onslaught when in our opinions BoB saved them by invading Deklein. IMHO ASCN would have fell had we not left. So couple this with the blobbing of EC-P8R, it is especially humerous to us in the north that ASCN is getting pwned by their saviours. Oh yeah, and no one really knows who would win in the BoB/allies vs D2/allies engangement. Their are just a lot of people who "think" they do. Its gonna happen sooner or later then it will be followed by months of forum I told you so's. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.21 19:19:00 - [201] Originally by: Stamm BoB and D2 might NAP and decide to split 0.0 between them, and obliterate LV/Ragoon/AAA/ASCN/Everybody. BoB flying with D2 and maybe the whole north ? Interesting idea. BoB would lose. Not on the battlefield, but respect. So I say: 'Never gonna happen !' CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.21 19:28:00 - [202] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: DrRockIT Also G didnt used forum and Teamspeak spys That's not true at all. well, you are in bob now, so the chances of not-knowing-all-about-anybodyelse-history are close to non-existing, as ASCN forums are open to anybody that can say "What ship to fly next" in the starter channels - its no wonder. But no pilot in Iron/G would have flown in a gang that uses highly doubtable tactics like ts-spying. We all loved pvp to much to deny us the fun from the start. - precision is the death of relevance -
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 19:34:00 - [203] Originally by: Death Merchant G/IRON/RZR vs ASCN war didn't start as such. We were just gonna pwn stain then go home(for stains little 200 man BS station grap stunt they pulled.) Then while down there in force ASCN whom we were originally cool with from fights in both ASCN and Northern territories started seeing what we were doing to stain and started getting nervous(assumption on my part) that we were down south for more than stain. They started amasing huge BS fleets and convoing people saying they shouldn't go into ASCN space and the like. G/IRON/RZR didn't like this. So after threats by ASCN which was basically the same as shooting us led to the infamous "G/IRON/RZR are -10 forever for shooting us while blue incident". Meanwhile back at the ranch(a.k.a Dekelein), BoB spies were reporting that "no one is freaking here". They are pos full of zydrine and a station ripe for the taking because no one is freaking here. So being the opprotunist that they are BoB waltzed in to Deklein and started decimating our shoe string support. A few pilots tried valiantly to hold back the assault but to no avail. Then they took the station and then took down the killboard and erased everything(Kraph erased the board, not sure if BoB leadership had any say about it). The G/IRON plan was to let them do whatever and just take the station back whenever. However the forum propoganda machine fired up..you know the selling our station, IRON sucks, etc... G/IRON/RZR were BBQing the ASCN fleets. Anyone who thinks diffrently was either not involved in the fighting or are braindead. However hearing about mates getting slaugheterd and how the crokite roids were growing uncontrollably, IRON decided to go home to save our exotic strippers from the ravenous BoB horde. G who never really wanted to kill ASCN in the first place decides to come help us. The opening engangements were BoB vs G/IRON. Then IRON and resident corps started forming big arse fleets constantly. The battles were give and take. IRON had the numbers, BoB had better tactics imo at the time. Then BoB who didn't want our region to begin with decided hmm this isn't fun anymore weve had our laugh were gonna leave. But as usual the forum exit strategy said they were leaving on their own timetable and not because of angry carebears. Meanwhile, back in Middle Earth, ASCN claimed victory over the G/IRON/RZR barbarians saying they repelled the onslaught when in our opinions BoB saved them by invading Deklein. IMHO ASCN would have fell had we not left. So couple this with the blobbing of EC-P8R, it is especially humerous to us in the north that ASCN is getting pwned by their saviours. Oh yeah, and no one really knows who would win in the BoB/allies vs D2/allies engangement. Their are just a lot of people who "think" they do. Its gonna happen sooner or later then it will be followed by months of forum I told you so's. This is the best post on this subject I have seen from anyone in IRON or G/D2. Nemo me impune lacessit
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:09:00 - [204] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Stamm BoB and D2 might NAP and decide to split 0.0 between them, and obliterate LV/Ragoon/AAA/ASCN/Everybody. BoB flying with D2 and maybe the whole north ? Interesting idea. BoB would lose. Not on the battlefield, but respect. So I say: 'Never gonna happen !' actually you never know, The core of bob came from the north. they have always claimed it as a home. too see them welcomed would be the hard part. but say if super galactic alien invaders come to eve. shoot id be right there with bob facing the bug eyed menace :)
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:23:00 - [205] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Death Merchant G/IRON/RZR vs ASCN war didn't start as such. We were just gonna pwn stain then go home(for stains little 200 man BS station grap stunt they pulled.) Then while down there in force ASCN whom we were originally cool with from fights in both ASCN and Northern territories started seeing what we were doing to stain and started getting nervous(assumption on my part) that we were down south for more than stain. They started amasing huge BS fleets and convoing people saying they shouldn't go into ASCN space and the like. G/IRON/RZR didn't like this. So after threats by ASCN which was basically the same as shooting us led to the infamous "G/IRON/RZR are -10 forever for shooting us while blue incident". Meanwhile back at the ranch(a.k.a Dekelein), BoB spies were reporting that "no one is freaking here". They are pos full of zydrine and a station ripe for the taking because no one is freaking here. So being the opprotunist that they are BoB waltzed in to Deklein and started decimating our shoe string support. A few pilots tried valiantly to hold back the assault but to no avail. Then they took the station and then took down the killboard and erased everything(Kraph erased the board, not sure if BoB leadership had any say about it). The G/IRON plan was to let them do whatever and just take the station back whenever. However the forum propoganda machine fired up..you know the selling our station, IRON sucks, etc... G/IRON/RZR were BBQing the ASCN fleets. Anyone who thinks diffrently was either not involved in the fighting or are braindead. However hearing about mates getting slaugheterd and how the crokite roids were growing uncontrollably, IRON decided to go home to save our exotic strippers from the ravenous BoB horde. G who never really wanted to kill ASCN in the first place decides to come help us. The opening engangements were BoB vs G/IRON. Then IRON and resident corps started forming big arse fleets constantly. The battles were give and take. IRON had the numbers, BoB had better tactics imo at the time. Then BoB who didn't want our region to begin with decided hmm this isn't fun anymore weve had our laugh were gonna leave. But as usual the forum exit strategy said they were leaving on their own timetable and not because of angry carebears. Meanwhile, back in Middle Earth, ASCN claimed victory over the G/IRON/RZR barbarians saying they repelled the onslaught when in our opinions BoB saved them by invading Deklein. IMHO ASCN would have fell had we not left. So couple this with the blobbing of EC-P8R, it is especially humerous to us in the north that ASCN is getting pwned by their saviours. Oh yeah, and no one really knows who would win in the BoB/allies vs D2/allies engangement. Their are just a lot of people who "think" they do. Its gonna happen sooner or later then it will be followed by months of forum I told you so's. This is the best post on this subject I have seen from anyone in IRON or G/D2. I was an outsider at the time but it certainly looked to me that G/RZR/IRON had ASCN's number. I honestly believed then that they were saved by BoB invading up north. Course if you mention that to an ASCN guy they'll give you a different story. But it sure looks to me that they only survived this long because of BoB.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:27:00 - [206] Originally by: Fuffel Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: DrRockIT Also G didnt used forum and Teamspeak spys That's not true at all. well, you are in bob now, so the chances of not-knowing-all-about-anybodyelse-history are close to non-existing, as ASCN forums are open to anybody that can say "What ship to fly next" in the starter channels - its no wonder. But no pilot in Iron/G would have flown in a gang that uses highly doubtable tactics like ts-spying. We all loved pvp to much to deny us the fun from the start. Nice choice of words focusing on TS spying, if you're trying to declare that D2 or G as was and her allies didn't use spies you're fooling nobody. You lot have used spies just as much as the next person. You might not have used TS spies during actual combat but you still use spies and gather intel just the same as the rest of us do. Blog
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:35:00 - [207] Originally by: Mang0o Originally by: liquidism Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? that was G and not D2 pers. and in G we had this huuge timezone problem, all germans you know. lol yeah i remember pers use to pwn eve with her forsaken empire allinace.. D2 BOB or ASCN did not stand a chance.. (sry had to) And I remember when you almost started crying on TS because Robotek was making fun of you. (sry had to) Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.22 03:55:00 - [208] Originally by: Fuffel Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: DrRockIT Also G didnt used forum and Teamspeak spys That's not true at all. well, you are in bob now, so the chances of not-knowing-all-about-anybodyelse-history are close to non-existing, I don't claim to know all about your history. However I was in an alliance with alot of G/D2's members for over a year in PA. Then after that had various encounters/meetings/chats with them for quite some time afterwards. I still talk to some of them today. Being in BoB does not erase my memory. Weak attempt at discrediting what I said. 1/10 tops. Originally by: Fuffel as ASCN forums are open to anybody that can say "What ship to fly next" in the starter channels - its no wonder. But no pilot in Iron/G would have flown in a gang that uses highly doubtable tactics like ts-spying. Well either you use spys or you don't. G/Iron leadership used forum spys to plan attacks on their enemies. How easy or hard it was for you to get spys isn't relevent nor is how you used them. Why bother to justify, rationalize, or downplay how you chose to play the game? Using spys isn't against any rule. It's entirly unnecessary. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Sir Howard Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.22 04:06:00 - [209] Speaking of which.....ic D2 is visiting the HED-GP area....and quite alot of you at that. Hmm "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 04:44:00 - [210] ? For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com

Fuffel Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 08:45:00 - [211] Originally by: pershphanie G/Iron leadership used forum spys to plan attacks on their enemies. No, not really. G wasnt to heavy into politics at all. Just straight shooting at whomever got on our nerves And there was no real leadership either. In most situations the active FC was simply leading the alliance, as we had all our assets in the air. When you are able to whipe someone from the map, there is little need for backdoor tactics or forum propaganda, as all it does on the long run is leaving a bad taste in your mouth and generally doesnt add to the fun ingame. You play it differently and thats absolutly up to you. - precision is the death of relevance -
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:36:00 - [212] all it would take is a large alliance to take the first step. or a few corps to get talking. If D2 start it im sure many corps and alliances would join in, celes apoc being one of them(if our problems could be sorted). ER, and a few others that im sure off. Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Mang0o Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:23:00 - [213] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Mang0o Originally by: liquidism Originally by: pershphanie ASCN and D2 fought a war back when D2 still had steelvipers and co. They had moderate success, but it was a fairly tuff fight for them that ended up in alot of stalemates. Bob steamrolled ASCN. So if D2 at their prime before the split off was only slightly better than ASCN why would D2 not completly get owned by bob? that was G and not D2 pers. and in G we had this huuge timezone problem, all germans you know. lol yeah i remember pers use to pwn eve with her forsaken empire allinace.. D2 BOB or ASCN did not stand a chance.. (sry had to) And I remember when you almost started crying on TS because Robotek was making fun of you. (sry had to) damn you so love me pers btw come on robotek can he make fun of pepole? I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
TitusFlamininus Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.22 16:07:00 - [214] Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets.
Renox Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:11:00 - [215] Originally by: TitusFlamininus ...They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. That might be your experience, but it depends heavily on the quality of the fleet. I do believe your statement is correct from your point of view but I think several other groups have vastly different perspectives on that. TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Barthez Thed	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:38:00 - [216] BoB invites Innonamate nightmare (the journey blog dude - dunno if i got his name right) to their space to hang around for a while Cult of emilio are distracted by their persuit of this troublesome character BoB wins
darkfuntime Minmatar ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:48:00 - [217] Edited by: darkfuntime on 22/12/2006 21:52:04 This post could be summed up in one James brown song.Quote"like a dull knife just aint cutting,talking loud any saying nothing.If ya dont know who James Brown is heres a link for ya.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkGg3XkN80U
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.22 23:52:00 - [218] Originally by: TitusFlamininus While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bitter much ? Had high hopes that D2 and the north would come to your rescue ?
Technolisa Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.23 00:06:00 - [219] How do you kill something that has no life ?
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:43:00 - [220] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out!

Bigfood Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.23 01:59:00 - [221] Edited by: Bigfood on 23/12/2006 01:59:45 Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out! 5. we have Crean
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:33:00 - [222] I'd shoot both of you tbfh. What a pointless thread. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2006.12.23 13:28:00 - [223] I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:29:00 - [224] Originally by: Jackkal I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. Don't care to build things ? You are kidding right. Did you miss all the op's, capital fleet and titan we have laying around, the t2 production etc. You bang on about ccp favoured bullies, wtf. Flogging that same old dead horse, waa waa, ccp give bob godmode etc etc, yawn. Were playing the game how its made to be played, don't like it, tough. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:38:00 - [225] Originally by: Jackkal I'm sure d2 will get another chance at bob once they are done in the south. As it has been mentioned in many post Bob is the ccp favored bullies. They realy don't care to build things on thier own they want to take other peoples hard work. Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. LOL Clues are for sale in Jita, make yourself comfortable, you need a few. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:40:00 - [226] Originally by: Jackkal Until the othe alliences in eve pull thier heads out and stop all the bickering and join as one Bob will continue to steal area's of space. Why would they do it -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:56:00 - [227] I like how three of BoB's key forum warriors reply to the post of someone who clearly doesn't have a grasp of Eve news and/or history within 11 minutes of each other. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.23 23:12:00 - [228] Why should someone join a force against BoB, if he hasn't been negatively affected by them so far, but by other alliances ? Personally I've had one or two fights against BoB. It wasn't an invasion, only BoB roaming around in Curse and Catch on something like a fun ops and we the same. On the other hand I have a long list of long-term enemies and hostiles, who attacked us in our homesystems more than once. If there ever is an anti-bob coalition, I think the majority of them are or have been for quite some time -10 to me and that probably already, before I was in -V-. So all this: 'Let's unite ! Bob needs to be killed !' lets me think: 'Why, there are a dozen entities I like to see dead first !' I'm not a fanboy, I see myself more a neutral observer and the others, who want to unite against BoB have a grudge for one or the other reason. Once BoB has slaughtered my EVE family in a rp sense or so, I maybe can feel the same. Currently I think: Go BoB, go !!! if their target is red to me. Doesn't matter, who eliminates that hostile entity, only matters that it dies. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.24 04:08:00 - [229] Originally by: darth solo EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. Its really hard for me to give my 2cents, because I know an opinion on the eve-online forums means squat-diddly. EVE PVP or more importantly EVE Conflicts has many demographics that many eve players do not fully understand thus are doomed to failor when they bring their food to the plate. Conflict motivations: win (destroy an enemy(s) assets, defeating (fleet fighting), conquer (player controlled assets), conquer, defend (player controlled assets), time/zones (players, real-lifes), logistics (no# of industrial charactors) charactor ratios (no# of tech II ships/assets & experience(s)) plus other motivations greed/misc, etc... Honestly and bluntly. The things Outbreak can do and think up amazes me and we keep our level of enthusiasm (beit motivation/holidays/rest periods) and that is anticipated -thanks to the team. If you asked players in this game these questions seriously and they all took measures all of a sudden we would have 100 band of brother alliances! I garrantee. But the bigger question is; do you want something that can defeat bob; or do you want a better conflicts in EVE and motivations that I bet the OP didnt understand when posting his comments in the first-place! Because! opinions on the forums dont mean squad-diddly! other then mods ofc o/
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 05:00:00 - [230] anser to thread: no

Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:32:00 - [231] Originally by: darth solo Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. darth, you made me smile with this one. What your hard-core collection of corps will provide BoB with is just some amazing fleet-fights. And will lower our killboard k/d ratio. But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !? Because frankly, I wish we can have some quality fights for our home, from a determined enemy, one that focuses on finesse instead of numbers, that won't spamm POSes and call that system offensive. Unfortunately, you're not the ones for this job. Your style of play have you with little experience on station siege and warfare. Can you imagine a plan for your bridge-head POS defence in NOL, against us fielding 20-ish dreads, a Titan, 10 carrier/mamaships with fighters and say 80 BSes !? When you have the tactical plan to answer the above problem, then you can start planning to take on BoB. Until then, you're good as sparring partners for fleet pew-pew. Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:52:00 - [232] passes out tinfoil hats to readers of this post. Anyone who pays any attention at all would realize that BoB wants to do the (so far) impossible. They want to conquer all of Eve. I'm sure people will say it's not so but i honestly believe it to be the truth. They want to conquer all of the 0.0 regions and dominate them either directly or through client alliances like Fix and Xelas. Once they finish conquering Feyth they'll probably make a deal with corps who want to stay in the region and are willing to leave ASCN or they'll let another friendly alliance move in. They REALLY like having their name on regions on the map so I think they'll keep some of the ASCN carebears and move some others in to pay them rent. Then they'll relax and reload before moving on to their next campaign. From all the forum posting I think D2 may well be their next target. They seem to be quite afraid of D2 jumping on them while they're busy in Feyth. While I was in D2 if it even looked like D2 might be considering jumping in or seemed like they didn't have something to distract them someone would attack them or a rumor would spread that they were about to be attacked. looks like it was orchestrated to keep d2 from interfering in the ASCN/BoB conflict to me. I think if D2/RZR/Morsus/IRON/3/YouWhat(this will never happen, you'd never get all these alliances together) had all gathered their forces say 2 weeks ago and attacked BoB while ASCN still had some morale left we'd be talking about the end of BoB as we know it. Looks to me that BoB has successfully kept D2 and friends from intervening long enough for them to finish ASCN off. And that Bob will now have time to consolidate their gains before attack their next target. My .02 isk.
Koval Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Proconsul Para [...]But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !?[...] We wouldn't really need it. It will be enough when You can't pull that anymore :)
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:25:00 - [234] Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: darth solo Outbreak and celes apoc, (all be it an understrengh celes apoc) took on 2 BOB corps and done VERY well. it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. EVE has some really good corps out there with some old school PVPers, 6 of them and BOB would get a bit of a kickin. id go with this. Outbreak SAS RAT ER celes apoc QUALITY is the key, not quantity. d solo. darth, you made me smile with this one. What your hard-core collection of corps will provide BoB with is just some amazing fleet-fights. And will lower our killboard k/d ratio. But sir, taking on BoB is not just quality shooty-shooty-pew-pew. It will involve logistics, POSes, basing in 0.0 without NPC stations and all that. Do you think you can pull that !? Because frankly, I wish we can have some quality fights for our home, from a determined enemy, one that focuses on finesse instead of numbers, that won't spamm POSes and call that system offensive. Unfortunately, you're not the ones for this job. Your style of play have you with little experience on station siege and warfare. Can you imagine a plan for your bridge-head POS defence in NOL, against us fielding 20-ish dreads, a Titan, 10 carrier/mamaships with fighters and say 80 BSes !? When you have the tactical plan to answer the above problem, then you can start planning to take on BoB. Until then, you're good as sparring partners for fleet pew-pew. I pretty much agree, those 5 corporations would destroy BoB only IF(big if) they have strong logistical support, something that we're not so keen to do. Don't get me wrong, we do have the capital ship power, but who the hell will transport the fuel coz i know i'll not do it. As far as D2 thingy, i don't really care if they can or cannot destroy BoB, is enough for me that they came to fountain to kill BoB, but there is not much BoB here. We're tired of opportunists trying to make easy kills on the locals of Fountain under our protection and we don't ask any appreciation for what we're trying to do, but merely apealed at your common sense not to make it harder for us to accomplish our goals in fighting BoB. So indirectly D2 is helping BoB by forcing us to put them on -10 because they are killing our friends and if I were BoB right now, i'd laugh at this. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:29:00 - [235] Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:43:00 - [236] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. hhahahahhahaha omg this guy talks like yazoul samaiel and he doesn't know what he's talking about either. You two should make a sect inside BoB and assasinate dbp and molle's chars in the station toilet, just to show em who's smarter. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Martini20 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:45:00 - [237] Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 08:59:00 - [238] Edited by: Sochin on 24/12/2006 08:59:10 Celes: Always where the fight isn't, claiming victory. I remember in Curse Alliance when you guys setup shop in Great Wildlands and continually thumbed your noses at CA because the main fleet was based in HLW and you guys were able to constantly gank the carebears living in GW. But whenever the real pvpers came down with a gang (even smaller ones) you guys ran and docked before we even got within 10 jumps. We used to head out to fight you guys only to hear after we went 5 jumps that you'd all docked or ran off to empire. It was annoying and pathetic. Now you guys setup in Fountain whenever BoB is occupied somewhere else and start making important sounding proclamations about how it's free space and everyone is under your protection. But you'll run away as soon as we get back, and so far you have been unable to establish any concrete claim to the area other then "We're here while BoB is away doing big boy stuff". Nemo me impune lacessit
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:04:00 - [239] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING you idiot. You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the fgt rat ganker you are. hhahahahhahaha omg this guy talks like yazoul samaiel and he doesn't know what he's talking about either. You two should make a sect inside BoB and assasinate dbp and molle's chars in the station toilet, just to show em who's smarter. Now why do you have to drag my name here ? Was i even talking to you ? If you wan a Fanboi badge then plz feel free to contact RIA and she will give ya one ! TBH i used to think ur a decent guy back from ERA days but you just proved that your just a smacktard like the rest of your corp and tbfh i have more clue about whats going on more than u or ur delusional CEO who rants all the time on your own forums while foaming in the mouth about " iwant to beat teh bobbits" . I used to have doubts about what Noh said about you guys but thankfully you just prove that what he said about all of ya is 100% true "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:09:00 - [240] Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة no you cant. why? you might ask, because you are more content with sitting and mining and ganking solo npc'rs. you wont win against bob since you are more inclined to just dulliyng(is that a word even?) your skills. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:29:00 - [241] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة no you cant. why? you might ask, because you are more content with sitting and mining and ganking solo npc'rs. you wont win against bob since you are more inclined to just dulliyng(is that a word even?) your skills. Dam didnt know that from the 180 Kms sniping spots in BWF you could see that far
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:35:00 - [242] This is the most entertaining collection of posts made on the topic since the EC-P8R campaign. If the sole reason D2 is left unscathed remains the sheer distance between our respective territories, what mental afflictions must one possess to believe they could pull off what we will not in the foreseeable future? To wage war across the map, while attempting to hold your existing space is the strategic equivalent of reprocessing your ship. D2 as an alliance has no stamina and no unity. Within a few weeks the majority of their "combatants" are back in Branch NPCing. For D2 to conquer all of BoB territory and hold it would require they leave the North permanently and declare our regions as their new (and only) home. Otherwise they'll just be forced out, even if it takes months, and resort to propaganda to explain how they were victorious. This will never happen, as the vast majority of D2 is focused on empire building just like ASCN was. In the G+TRUST relationship, TRUST held a whip by the name of Tech II that has since extended to capitals. The only two options they have would be an attempt to cause damage, or support those that are keen on taking our space. Only problem is they would lose an equivalent amount in ISK attempting to. Those groups that believe they will outlast us in the game of territorial conquest once the bandwagon/blob/logistics has retreated, are only deluding themselves. D2 leadership knows this fully, and their repeated scheming against BoB is only a half-hearted effort to curb our real/imagined egos and appease their memberships' pleas for something "more". After all, its much easier to look better than to be better. And its much safer to appeal to gankers, than satiate the true pvpers. It was written recently that D2's sole reason for existance was to make history. Three prime opportunities have come and gone. Four corporations have fallen victim to this indecision, and moved on. What we've seen so far is nothing but a repeat of ASCN's history - strong ideals, strong founding.. crumbling under greed. Quite remarkable how neither one of the three distinct factions (NBSI, TRUST, ASCN) that arose from the fall of XETIC has managed to grasp the simplest of ideas which govern us. Yet all three are competing to surpass BoB in some way, whether it be economy, industry, or military. This is why EVE can't even begin to fathom our destruction without organizing a coalition of alliances. There isn't a single one who reads the phrase "To become the best" and isn't tempted to complete it.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 09:45:00 - [243] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel TBH i used to think ur a decent guy back from ERA days but you just proved that your just a smacktard like the rest of your corp and tbfh i have more clue about whats going on more than u or ur delusional CEO who rants all the time on your own forums while foaming in the mouth about " iwant to beat teh bobbits" . I used to have doubts about what Noh said about you guys but thankfully you just prove that what he said about all of ya is 100% true Well, i know for a fact that you are a decent guy in space, but your lasts posts smacking indiscriminatedly and jumping to weird conclusions made me realize that on these forums people became so obsessed with the turf they're defending they just start smacking and name calling and you made no difference, do you want me to quote you? Oh and one other thing, I tend to lose respect for the people that like it easy, nothing personal. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:09:00 - [244] Edited by: pershphanie on 24/12/2006 10:11:54 Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel TBH i used to think ur a decent guy back from ERA days but you just proved that your just a smacktard like the rest of your corp and tbfh i have more clue about whats going on more than u or ur delusional CEO who rants all the time on your own forums while foaming in the mouth about " iwant to beat teh bobbits" . I used to have doubts about what Noh said about you guys but thankfully you just prove that what he said about all of ya is 100% true Well, i know for a fact that you are a decent guy in space, but your lasts posts smacking indiscriminatedly and jumping to weird conclusions made me realize that on these forums people became so obsessed with the turf they're defending they just start smacking and name calling and you made no difference, do you want me to quote you? How about I quote you a little instead? You just got done poluting my thread with posts that were entirely smacktalk and name calling then you jump back on your soap box crying about people smacktalking and name calling? quoted from another thread half an hour before you posted here: Originally by: Sextus Licinius You're not very smart are you Originally by: Sextus Licinius And now Persh, stfu for your own sake. Got to love the hypocracy there. You get extra points for doing the exact same thing you are preaching against within the hour. If you like to smack people for no reason, fine by me. But at any point does honesty or integrety even occur to you? I wonder why no one takes what CELES members say seriously.... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
George Hurst S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:14:00 - [245] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal This is the most entertaining collection of posts made on the topic since the EC-P8R campaign. If the sole reason D2 is left unscathed remains the sheer distance between our respective territories, what mental afflictions must one possess to believe they could pull off what we will not in the foreseeable future? To wage war across the map, while attempting to hold your existing space is the strategic equivalent of reprocessing your ship. D2 as an alliance has no stamina and no unity. Within a few weeks the majority of their "combatants" are back in Branch NPCing. For D2 to conquer all of BoB territory and hold it would require they leave the North permanently and declare our regions as their new (and only) home. Otherwise they'll just be forced out, even if it takes months, and resort to propaganda to explain how they were victorious. This will never happen, as the vast majority of D2 is focused on empire building just like ASCN was. In the G+TRUST relationship, TRUST held a whip by the name of Tech II that has since extended to capitals. The only two options they have would be an attempt to cause damage, or support those that are keen on taking our space. Only problem is they would lose an equivalent amount in ISK attempting to. Those groups that believe they will outlast us in the game of territorial conquest once the bandwagon/blob/logistics has retreated, are only deluding themselves. D2 leadership knows this fully, and their repeated scheming against BoB is only a half-hearted effort to curb our real/imagined egos and appease their memberships' pleas for something "more". After all, its much easier to look better than to be better. And its much safer to appeal to gankers, than satiate the true pvpers. It was written recently that D2's sole reason for existance was to make history. Three prime opportunities have come and gone. Four corporations have fallen victim to this indecision, and moved on. What we've seen so far is nothing but a repeat of ASCN's history - strong ideals, strong founding.. crumbling under greed. Quite remarkable how neither one of the three distinct factions (NBSI, TRUST, ASCN) that arose from the fall of XETIC has managed to grasp the simplest of ideas which govern us. Yet all three are competing to surpass BoB in some way, whether it be economy, industry, or military. This is why EVE can't even begin to fathom our destruction without organizing a coalition of alliances. There isn't a single one who reads the phrase "To become the best" and isn't tempted to complete it. nothing more needs to be said after this post unless celestial apoc is trying to turn this into a recruitment thread?
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:17:00 - [246] Originally by: pershphanie I wonder why no one takes what CELES members say seriously.... Persh you're quoting me from a few threads with different topics and expect people to understand what are they meant for? Ok than i'll start mass production of action figures with myself if ur such a fanboi. The naked action figures came in a limited number so get em while you can. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:30:00 - [247] Edited by: pershphanie on 24/12/2006 10:30:57 Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: pershphanie I wonder why no one takes what CELES members say seriously.... Persh you're quoting me from a few threads with different topics and expect people to understand what are they meant for? No. I understand completly. You got all rightous and started complaining about people smacking and name calling immediatly after making a post filled with smack and name calling. Now you are trying to make excuses so it doesn't look like you completly pwnd yourself. So thx for your concern, but I think I get it. That's fine with me though. Go ahead, don't let me stop you. Keep digging. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:46:00 - [248] Got to chuckle at the posters who expected the northern coalition to come to the 'rescue' of ASCN... well numero uno, why? our memories of the EC lockdown are still fairly fresh and the chest beating from ASCN about that victory. Also it would require the destruction of BoB in all it's forms or what would be acheived? The main difference about alliances like BoB and the northern entities is they don't fold per se. They would retreat regroup and come back leaner and meaner, and ASCN would still be beaten because eventually we would head home to the North (well someones bound to try their hand at some point?). What ASCN have proven (again) and any would be future mega allainces should note, is that a balance between hardcore production and even harder core PvP has to be reached and set in stone for it to survive. If not it's like one of those big shiny Xmas tree baubles, looks great, but take a wee bash at it and they crumble into a thousand peices. ASCN had the numbers to beat BoB and the rest of Eve, and yet all i see is forum whoas with 1/2 a dozen killmails between them whining about who didn't help them rather than looking at a little self criticism. ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:49:00 - [249] Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 24/12/2006 10:30:57 Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: pershphanie I wonder why no one takes what CELES members say seriously.... Persh you're quoting me from a few threads with different topics and expect people to understand what are they meant for? No. I understand completly. You got all rightous and started complaining about people smacking and name calling immediatly after making a post filled with smack and name calling. Now you are trying to make excuses so it doesn't look like you completly pwnd yourself. So thx for your concern, but I think I get it. That's fine with me though. Go ahead, don't let me stop you. Keep digging. Persh you don't have to lie, i didn't call you names and you know it, what you quoted is my replica because you said you can't do propaganda asking questions. What is this whole crusade of yours about, why are we boring people with stuff from another thread with a discution that could be held in a chatroom? "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Silvero Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:52:00 - [250] Edited by: Silvero on 24/12/2006 10:54:01 Im not the biggest forum **** amongst us but i laugh everytime i see these jokers post. And after watching these Celestial guys for a while, im getting strong flashbacks from a trip i made down to one the mediterranean countries. You know when you get home to the hotell early in the morning drunk as a skunk and enters the wc and you see a few kockroaches running for thier lives into som holes just to safe thier pathetic lives. Sometimes you wonder what would happen if those holes(npc stat) wasn't there, how long would the poor kockroaches last ? And im not refering to the kockroaches as a speices since i know they are resistant, im talking about our drama queens to kockroaches(Celestial). When/if the npc station soverginity changes you'll get the eviction noice sure enough, and im gonna love to execute that one. Until then i'll have to settle for the joy of sometimes from time to time turn on the light at the bathroom, and watch you run and crawl all over yourself just to get away. (I know how it is spelt but the spelling cntrl wouldn't let me us the correct name for em.)

Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:53:00 - [251] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal This is the most entertaining collection of posts made on the topic since the EC-P8R campaign. If the sole reason D2 is left unscathed remains the sheer distance between our respective territories, what mental afflictions must one possess to believe they could pull off what we will not in the foreseeable future? To wage war across the map, while attempting to hold your existing space is the strategic equivalent of reprocessing your ship. D2 as an alliance has no stamina and no unity. Within a few weeks the majority of their "combatants" are back in Branch NPCing. For D2 to conquer all of BoB territory and hold it would require they leave the North permanently and declare our regions as their new (and only) home. Otherwise they'll just be forced out, even if it takes months, and resort to propaganda to explain how they were victorious. This will never happen, as the vast majority of D2 is focused on empire building just like ASCN was. In the G+TRUST relationship, TRUST held a whip by the name of Tech II that has since extended to capitals. The only two options they have would be an attempt to cause damage, or support those that are keen on taking our space. Only problem is they would lose an equivalent amount in ISK attempting to. Those groups that believe they will outlast us in the game of territorial conquest once the bandwagon/blob/logistics has retreated, are only deluding themselves. D2 leadership knows this fully, and their repeated scheming against BoB is only a half-hearted effort to curb our real/imagined egos and appease their memberships' pleas for something "more". After all, its much easier to look better than to be better. And its much safer to appeal to gankers, than satiate the true pvpers. It was written recently that D2's sole reason for existance was to make history. Three prime opportunities have come and gone. Four corporations have fallen victim to this indecision, and moved on. What we've seen so far is nothing but a repeat of ASCN's history - strong ideals, strong founding.. crumbling under greed. Quite remarkable how neither one of the three distinct factions (NBSI, TRUST, ASCN) that arose from the fall of XETIC has managed to grasp the simplest of ideas which govern us. Yet all three are competing to surpass BoB in some way, whether it be economy, industry, or military. This is why EVE can't even begin to fathom our destruction without organizing a coalition of alliances. There isn't a single one who reads the phrase "To become the best" and isn't tempted to complete it. Very good post. I don't agree with everything said here. So tell me. No one understands the simplest of ideas that govern BoB. What ideas are those? What makes BoB tick? What makes BoB different from other alliances?
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.24 10:58:00 - [252] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Martini20 Edited by: Martini20 on 24/12/2006 08:47:11 I dont want talk about this can D2 Beat BOB...I wants Fight against BOB We Fight together, We die together and than we mine together وافاه الأجل المحتومحصد الموت أرواحا كثيرة no you cant. why? you might ask, because you are more content with sitting and mining and ganking solo npc'rs. you wont win against bob since you are more inclined to just dulliyng(is that a word even?) your skills. Dam didnt know that from the 180 Kms sniping spots in BWF you could see that far still depressed that you werent allowed to exploit to try and get us? and your ppl logged off and died just as well as the rest. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:09:00 - [253] Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? *sigh. Such short memory.
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:17:00 - [254] Originally by: ProphetGuru Edited by: ProphetGuru on 24/12/2006 08:42:54 Originally by: darth solo it wouldnt take much more to take on the entire BOB alliance and beat them. d solo. Beat us? WTF? You know nothing about beating an alliance at ANYTHING . You and your underachieving corp are a gank corp... nothing more. You play the game to not lose.... you don't play to win. You play the game like it is an fps, not for what it is. You have no concept of what it would take to "beat" bob. None what so ever. Beating bob would take work... and the ability to actually control and conquer space. You haven't the will. You haven't the experience, and quite franky, you haven't the balls to do what it would take past a month of fleet fights. So please stop talking about what it would take while sitting in a nice cozy npc station like the rat ganker you are. throwing girly temper tantrums makes santa not visit. d "santa" solo. celes apoc kill board
CLEISTHENES2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:20:00 - [255] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? *sigh. Such short memory. Wars are not won by a single man in eve.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:26:00 - [256] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? sigh. Such short memory. Silly lame remarks only earns you 1/10 for just trying . Exactly like failing to read ppl's corp history to determine if they were in EC- Seige or not "Lord Samaiel, Rise "* BNC Vs CELES Video
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:37:00 - [257] Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? *sigh. Such short memory. Wars are not won by a single man in eve. Agreed. But single man can make huge difference.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:39:00 - [258] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? *sigh. Such short memory. Silly lame remarks only earns you 1/10 for just trying . Exactly like failing to read ppl's corp history to determine if they were in EC- Seige or not In my book, its much more silly and lame switch corps and alliances to get in gang with strong. I bet, that you have more forum posts than kills on alliance kb.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:49:00 - [259] Chill out Celes, oh and jump off a cliff atuk. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:54:00 - [260] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 24/12/2006 10:30:57 Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: pershphanie I wonder why no one takes what CELES members say seriously.... Persh you're quoting me from a few threads with different topics and expect people to understand what are they meant for? No. I understand completly. You got all rightous and started complaining about people smacking and name calling immediatly after making a post filled with smack and name calling. Now you are trying to make excuses so it doesn't look like you completly pwnd yourself. So thx for your concern, but I think I get it. That's fine with me though. Go ahead, don't let me stop you. Keep digging. Persh you don't have to lie, i didn't call you names and you know it, Originally by: Sextus Licinius You're not very smart are you GG. Maybe it's time for you to STFU before making yourself look even worse? Nah. Keep digging.... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-

Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:54:00 - [261] Originally by: Evil Thug More silliness Its called improving your self in my books and having fun but anyway what ever rocks your boat I failed to read the section in "ohhmygoshiamal3333tpvper" book that explains the direct relation between posting on forums are how much you kill so you can look cool and **. Anyway feel free to add more drival and lies ,i already did you a favour by replying. "Lord Samaiel, Rise "** BNC Vs CELES Video
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:56:00 - [262] Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/12/2006 11:59:13 Originally by: Silvero When/if the npc station soverginity changes you'll get the eviction noice sure enough, and im gonna love to execute that one. I think CCP like their paying customers too much for that one. I can understand why you lot think we've achieved nothing I really can, BoB's credentials are undeniable, but perhaps my reasons for trying to blow you up differ from my corpmates? Maybe I like blowing you up because you harbour the lowest bunch of snide litte bastards I've ever come across in a game (and I played CS for many years). See you in space. edit: Bring the warning on, it was worth it. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 12:06:00 - [263] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Sextus Licinius Persh you don't have to lie, i didn't call you names and you know it, Originally by: Sextus Licinius You're not very smart are you GG. Maybe it's time for you to STFU before making yourself look even worse? Nah. Keep digging.... That's not name calling Persh, you don't need to get so worked up about it, is just a friendly tackle . But, you're right i didn't realize you're so fragile, i will stfu, don't wanna break you heart sweetie. Merry Christmas to all! "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 12:23:00 - [264] Originally by: welsh wizard Snip. Tag. You're it.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 12:23:00 - [265] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Sextus Licinius Persh you don't have to lie, i didn't call you names and you know it, Originally by: Sextus Licinius You're not very smart are you GG. Maybe it's time for you to STFU before making yourself look even worse? Nah. Keep digging.... That's not name calling Persh, you don't need to get so worked up about it, is just a friendly tackle . But, you're right i didn't realize you're so fragile, i will stfu, don't wanna break you heart sweetie. Merry Christmas to all! It's all good. I don't care what you think about me. Flame me all you want, I can take it. I just wanted to make sure everyone realized how full of crap CELES members are. You flame someone for "smacking and name calling" immediatiatly after calling you got finished pointlessly flaming me and calling me stupid. Then when I showed direct quotes of you doing exactly what you just got finished criticizing someone else for, you then tried to claim it didn't happen. You can keep trying to convince everyone that something they have just seen proof of isn't true, but I don't think it's going to work very well. But keep trying, GL with that. Lemme know how it works out for you. /waves goodbye to Sextus's last shreads of credibility Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 12:43:00 - [266] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/12/2006 11:59:13 Originally by: Silvero When/if the npc station soverginity changes you'll get the eviction noice sure enough, and im gonna love to execute that one. I think CCP like their paying lamers too much for that one. Fixed it for you. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 13:27:00 - [267] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Proconsul Para darth, you made me smile with this one. Werent you in SNRA when RAT attacked immensea and Goonies of [SABOT] invented pos spam ? Why you ran ? sigh. Such short memory. Been there, done that. I've been throught the 5's entire South-East campaign, and spent countless hours shooting and killing POSes in Cache, Insmother and Detorid, in Tempests with plates and remote reps. Then RA/RAT started the insane pre-DT POS spammage, which even not officially considered an exploit, was bordering on it. You can view how the POS warfare was changed by CCP and you guys are the main reason behind the efforts at balancing made by CCP. You had it your way, and I didn't want to play your lame game. Period. I'm a stand-up player. Nobody in the entire game universe can accuse me of logonski, logoffski, smack in local or bad behaviour. I haven't ever spammed POSes, I haven't carried hundreds of bookmarks in cargo, or start copying in crowded systems. I haven't studied the mechanics of the game to find ways to twist its uses close to the cheat/exploit borderline. So what's your point !? Originally by:* thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 13:39:00 - [268] BOB are funny.. i want one for christmas. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 13:42:00 - [269] dont worry darth, tho im afraid ullg et more of us u wished for ;) and id like to test all the new d2 corps, there are some i never heard anything of, so im curios if those would b able to keep up with some pressure and if the management of d2 can hold the alliance together if their attacked with brute force is to find out. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:49:00 - [270] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Sextus Licinius That's not name calling Persh, you don't need to get so worked up about it, is just a friendly tackle . But, you're right i didn't realize you're so fragile, i will stfu, don't wanna break you heart sweetie. Merry Christmas to all! It's all good. I don't care what you think about me. Flame me all you want, I can take it. I just wanted to make sure everyone realized how full of crap CELES members are. You flame someone for "smacking and name calling" immediatiatly after calling you got finished pointlessly flaming me and calling me stupid. Then when I showed direct quotes of you doing exactly what you just got finished criticizing someone else for, you then tried to claim it didn't happen. You can keep trying to convince everyone that something they have just seen proof of isn't true, but I don't think it's going to work very well. But keep trying, GL with that. Lemme know how it works out for you. /waves goodbye to Sextus's last shreads of credibility Uff don't be bitter Persh, if you would've used conventional arguments to prove me wrong without picking on my corp to dismantle my credibility through CELES I would've gave you a break, but since when I said you are doing a propaganda look what you replied: Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Sextus Licinius I can't think of anyone better than you to lead this propaganda, actually you're not wondering anything, you know better than anyone how an alliance can die, you experienced yourself no? Asking a question isn't propaganda. It is a question your corp would know nothing about considering your corp's history of fleet footedness in alliances when they have any minor problem. So maybe best to go smack somewhere else k? As you can see I didn't smack you, i just didn't agree with you and because of that you basically implied that my corp is stupid like those 10 year old kids that run out of arguments and say "ya and you mother is ugly". What i wanted from you was a little decency so I wouldn't have to make you call yourself stupid. That's right dude, I didn't say it, you did (i'll need those 100 mil for the bet Solo) Too bad I had to "lose" my credibility just to prove you wrong ehh? ;) Oh and bringing this argument from another thread shows very little respect to everyone else and the thread itself. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"

The CaPoNe Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:49:00 - [271] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists dont worry darth, tho im afraid ullg et more of us u wished for ;) and id like to test all the new d2 corps, there are some i never heard anything of, so im curios if those would b able to keep up with some pressure and if the management of d2 can hold the alliance together if their attacked with brute force is to find out. well if need i will make a new moral boost video like the old one Inspiration for the War cya _________________________________________________ Best Regards The CaPoNe
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 16:06:00 - [272] i think all these little bobits are warming up for their (eventual) return to fountain! Should be fun cant wait to see the titan! (even if its before the doomsday S:)
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 16:25:00 - [273] Originally by: Sextus Licinius As you can see I didn't smack you, i just didn't agree with you and because of that you basically implied that my corp is stupid like those 10 year old kids that run out of arguments and say "ya and you mother is ugly". What i wanted from you was a little decency so I wouldn't have to make you call yourself stupid. That's right dude, I didn't say it, you did (i'll need those 100 mil for the bet Solo) Too bad I had to "lose" my credibility just to prove you wrong ehh? ;) Oh and bringing this argument from another thread shows very little respect to everyone else and the thread itself. Ahh. I completly understand now. Thank you for clearing that up for me. When you called me stupid you weren't smacktalking or name calling because by you calling me stupid I was actually calling myself stupid. Makes perfect sense. I can only assume that means you are my alt. But since you're not my alt, I've got to ask; WTF dude? are you high? seriously? smoking ***? Only in bizzarro world does you calling me stupid = me calling myself stupid. Get over it buddy. You are just making less and less sense each post. You aren't helping yourself here. /waves goodbye to Sextus's sanity keep digging.... Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Kram Calama Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 16:47:00 - [274] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: welsh wizard Snip. Tag. You're it. Oh noes! Does this mean we're not allowed to mine in Fountain anymore?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:05:00 - [275] Originally by: Kram Calama Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: welsh wizard Snip. Tag. You're it. Oh noes! Does this mean we're not allowed to mine in Fountain anymore? You guys mine o_O Ah yes, of course, you have to do that yourselves because you don't have the force to hold refinery and conquerable stations. It all becomes clear. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:52:00 - [276] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Sextus Licinius As you can see I didn't smack you, i just didn't agree with you and because of that you basically implied that my corp is stupid like those 10 year old kids that run out of arguments and say "ya and you mother is ugly". What i wanted from you was a little decency so I wouldn't have to make you call yourself stupid. That's right dude, I didn't say it, you did (i'll need those 100 mil for the bet Solo) Too bad I had to "lose" my credibility just to prove you wrong ehh? ;) Oh and bringing this argument from another thread shows very little respect to everyone else and the thread itself. Ahh. I completly understand now. Thank you for clearing that up for me. When you called me stupid you weren't smacktalking or name calling because by you calling me stupid I was actually calling myself stupid. Makes perfect sense. I can only assume that means you are my alt. But since you're not my alt, I've got to ask; WTF dude? are you high? seriously? smoking *****? Only in bizzarro world does you calling me stupid = me calling myself stupid. Get over it buddy. You are just making less and less sense each post. You aren't helping yourself here. /waves goodbye to Sextus's sanity keep digging.... lol whatever you say Persh, you're not making any sense. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Sameth Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.24 20:02:00 - [277] While this whole thread and most BoB threads tend to be fairly inane from what I can see of BoB and its operations they are a fair way ahead of the opposition. The best analogy, or comparison I can make is this. BoB are the Eve equivalent of old EQ guilds like FoH/AL/"insert other server top guild here". So most people probably didn't play EQ back in the beginning (or at all), when it was cut throat and there was no instancing or carebear bull** like there is in most MMOG's these days. To be successful meant being hardcore, a good guild would be on 5-7 days a week 5+ hours a night from start time to until whatever time was necessary to get the job done. Getting up at 5am to get spawns and get them on your timer and deny them to rival timezone guilds, leap frogging people in the race for content, "accidentally training" mobs onto other guilds to get your crew time to arrive and mop up, ganking their mob while they were screwing around preparing and killing it in front of them laughing all the way in local. Basically do whatever it takes to win and stay just that little bit inside of the rules, or sometimes break them if you couldn't be caught. The endless drama and flame wars on server forums, the rivalry and respect that was formed between competing hardcore guilds. And the endless crying about how you were baby eating bastards from the carebear casual players ruining their gaming experience Eve reminds me a lot of that style of game play and guild dynamics, and there were never many truly successful guilds on a server, usually 1 or 2 vying for supremacy. In Eve there IS only one server and it seems there is only one true hardcore corp at this time, and no one is going to beat them with just numbers or money. It takes time, dedication, skill and ruthlessness and in some respects, no ***** life what so ever to play a lot of hours consistently BoB have shown they have what it takes, and I am no fanboi but kudos to them for what they have done. You want to take them down you have to be prepared for it, play to the limits of the game mechanics, have the leadership, people who can follow the directions to the letter, the ruthlessness to remove people who are dead weight and control your internal politics. Make the sacrifices to be online when they are lowest in numbers to make your attacks, but also to be online so you can repel theirs. A bunch of cashed up weekend warriors is fine for 2days a week and the other 5 days you will get smacked. If you cant pull together to manage most of those things you might as well leave your hopes of "killing BoB" at the door. I hope there is another Alliance who can step up to the challenge, and I am sure there will be, someone said it right that the best players will gravitate towards BoB because of what they have achieved, but with the player base ever expanding there are more than enough people for multiple hardcore Alliances. Its only time, there will be a challenger and BoB will go down, no one rules forever Enough nostalgia and vague philosophy, its 7am on christmas day and I have been at work the last 8 and a half hours so forgive me hah.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 20:25:00 - [278] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kram Calama Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: welsh wizard Snip. Tag. You're it. Oh noes! Does this mean we're not allowed to mine in Fountain anymore? You guys mine o_O Ah yes, of course, you have to do that yourselves because you don't have the force to hold refinery and conquerable stations. It all becomes clear. lol 100man corp lol it must make you feel big in the pants to try to talk us down
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 21:01:00 - [279] Edited by: Sochin on 24/12/2006 21:01:10 Originally by: batloard Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kram Calama Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: welsh wizard Snip. Tag. You're it. Oh noes! Does this mean we're not allowed to mine in Fountain anymore? You guys mine o_O Ah yes, of course, you have to do that yourselves because you don't have the force to hold refinery and conquerable stations. It all becomes clear. lol 100man corp lol it must make you feel big in the pants to try to talk us down You don't get to simultaneously talk **** and then complain that the "Big boys" are picking on you. All I've ever seen from CELES was a lot of talk and very little follow through. Nemo me impune lacessit
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.24 21:17:00 - [280] Originally by: Sochin You don't get to simultaneously talk **** and then complain that the "Big boys" are picking on you. All I've ever seen from CELES was a lot of talk and very little follow through. I followed through earlier on. ---

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 21:32:00 - [281] Originally by: batloard it must make you feel big in the pants to try to talk us down How's that application to BoB going, batloard? uh-huh. Tell me, who is to blame for you and your corp being unable to build up the numbers, the organisation or the infrastructure to challenge us? Me? CCP? You? CELES is the corp it is because of the choices made by its leaders. People like Darth and Talon will always have my respect because their outlook has never been to "challenge", it's always been to harass - from way back in the day on jumping back in to Obe at the first sign of a fight that might be lost to now when you'll just sit docked when we show up in local. If you want to compete with us you have to play OUR game, because our game is bigger, more organised and more powerful than yours is - YOUR game is just that, an irritation, and nothing more. It stops us doing nothing, yet when we choose to we can completely lock you down and stop you doing ANYTHING. You've still got some catching up to do, and yes - until you've caught up I can continue to "talk down" to you. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Tam Chi Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 22:36:00 - [282] Originally by: Fuglife Originally by: Sochin You don't get to simultaneously talk **** and then complain that the "Big boys" are picking on you. All I've ever seen from CELES was a lot of talk and very little follow through. I followed through earlier on. 3 Alliance Tourny's and 1 Titan - BOB Radio WWW.1337.FM
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:17:00 - [283] G was the only northern alliance to ever impress me, even if they were part of the 'lets hold hands and mine together' daisy nap chain they had up there, when they fought, they fought! Now D2 != G obviously, but how much of G made the transgression into D2, and how much influence do those G have? If so then well, while i wouldn't want to predict a winner, but it would make a really interesting match up.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:04:00 - [284] sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 ****s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region. Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:05:00 - [285] Edited by: batloard on 25/12/2006 00:05:02 double post
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:26:00 - [286] Originally by: batloard sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 ****s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region. Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives. Wow, pretty, um, special post there. Not ball's to patrol our own region, eh? Actually, nm this post, cant be assed to get into a flame war. Your obviously far too hard for any of us. Mate seriously, you need a reality check tbh How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:29:00 - [287] Its nice to see flaming on xmas, makes me all warm on the inside. Merry Xmas to all you all. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:31:00 - [288] Originally by: fire 59 How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? [/quote well u see fire 59, the current owners who claim the reagion do not even live in it, so its free for the taking basically. I can live in YOUR region and get fat of YOUR npcs. BTW nice region, it has made me very rich.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:36:00 - [289] Originally by: batloard Originally by: fire 59 How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? [/quote well u see fire 59, the current owners who claim the reagion do not even live in it, so its free for the taking basically. I can live in YOUR region and get fat of YOUR npcs. BTW nice region, it has made me very rich. Batty, that is my sig regarding xetic and ascn, not aimed at you guys How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:49:00 - [290] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: batloard Originally by: fire 59 How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? [/quote well u see fire 59, the current owners who claim the reagion do not even live in it, so its free for the taking basically. I can live in YOUR region and get fat of YOUR npcs. BTW nice region, it has made me very rich. Batty, that is my sig regarding xetic and ascn, not aimed at you guys thats a very thoughtful sig. BTW your right, i am to hard, you know me in and out, you must be physic

Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 03:09:00 - [291] Originally by: batloard sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you. /me has a look at the chat you had with Lady Scarlet. hehehhe you are a funny little man. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.25 03:54:00 - [292] In Eve, three things are true. 1) CCP will always release expansions before the bugs have been ironed out. 2) RA and LV will be at war. 3) BoB will respond to forum trolling by forum whoring for 10 pages per thread.
George Hurst S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.12.25 04:55:00 - [293] Originally by: batloard sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you you mean after they rejected your application, right?
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:11:00 - [294] The only point I agree with in this entire thread is that the North hates ASCN more than BoB. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Vadoc Trax Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:34:00 - [295] And yet...which is actually the bigger threat to the north? -------------------------------------------------- Rule #37: There is no ôoverkillö. There is only ôopen fireö and ôI need to reloadö.
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:48:00 - [296] I don't think BoB are a threat to the North at all. D2 will nap RaGoon and that will be that. As large as DB Preacher's and SirMolle's egos are, they can't take on ten different alliances at the same time. ASCN made too many enemies, and the Southern Coalition was too busy being destroyed to save them. Nobody intervened, they died. It won't be the same with the Russians or the Germans.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 09:09:00 - [297] Originally by: batloard try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 **s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region. Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives. Sorry mate, I find 1v1's just to stressful, they almost become like a job and, well, I'm here to have fun, ya know? That being said, please team up with another alliance so we can kill your carriers, or try and kill more of our pos so we can kill your dreads - who needs to patrol when you quite literally just serve them up on a plate? Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 18:53:00 - [298] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: batloard try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 ****s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region. Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives. Sorry mate, I find 1v1's just to stressful, they almost become like a job and, well, I'm here to have fun, ya know? That being said, please team up with another alliance so we can kill your carriers, or try and kill more of our pos so we can kill your dreads - who needs to patrol when you quite literally just serve them up on a plate? i guess well just have to wait and see then, until then how about no more smacky?
George Hurst S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:08:00 - [299] D2 cant do aything to bob by themselves. They have setp the nap-wagon to protect themselves, much like x-traders and the rest of the xetic carebers tried to do back in the day. see how well it worked for them then?
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:18:00 - [300] Originally by: George Hurst D2 cant do aything to bob by themselves. They have setp the nap-wagon to protect themselves, much like x-traders and the rest of the xetic carebers tried to do back in the day. see how well it worked for them then? yawn ... thats all you got?

George Hurst S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:21:00 - [301] Originally by: OozoO Originally by: George Hurst D2 cant do aything to bob by themselves. They have setp the nap-wagon to protect themselves, much like x-traders and the rest of the xetic carebers tried to do back in the day. see how well it worked for them then? yawn ... thats all you got? yes, the truth and trackrecord didn't you get the xetic memo?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:21:00 - [302] It is, of course, far more important for a thread about BOB to hit 10 pages then for them to do anything.
BoeserBiber	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:24:00 - [303] bobs nap policy is even worse, read the intel thread
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:25:00 - [304] god damn, wrong char
Edoo Occassus	Posted - 2006.12.26 01:01:00 - [305] Originally by: Galaxy i here D2 war machine just broke. there top corp black lance have left leaving them very exposed. a war machine headed by black lance
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.26 02:26:00 - [306] Wow... it'd be a good fight... but then again I thought the same about ASCN. Numbers aren't enough when up against experience, tactics and intelligence. BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space.
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 11:56:00 - [307] Edited by: Crean NaVar on 26/12/2006 11:57:06 Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. A very clever and well thought-out chain of argumentation we got here. BoB wins all wars ...erm... by definition and D2 is already overstrained with an "Outbreak" of piracy in their homelands. I think we can close this thread now and declare trk4 the winner of the forum award today. Unless some CELES or E-U pilot wants to have a closer look at this whole "gangs in claimed space" thingie.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:03:00 - [308] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:12:00 - [309] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. Hey woody, where ya been, haven't seen or heard of you ingame for awhile. You been on hol's or something? How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:14:00 - [310] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 26/12/2006 15:15:17 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. Hey woody, where ya been, haven't seen or heard of you ingame for awhile. You been on hol's or something? I leaved Germany and am living in spain now ;-) And spanish ppl are slow when it gets to giving inet access to foreigners -.- -------------------------------- Thats me in RL

Silvero Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:39:00 - [311] Edited by: Silvero on 26/12/2006 15:39:44 Lazy bastids didn't they know it was you woody ? Ohh and nice argument there Batty boy, bolded the interessting part. Kinda like "Yeah we are the master of docking, and whatever else you evil bobits do you can never ever take that away from me". Originally by: batloard sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 ***s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region.* Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives. Ever thought of a career as a comidian ?
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:08:00 - [312] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 26/12/2006 16:08:20 Originally by: Hull Cleaver Can D2 really beat BoB??? Even though I really dislike BoB... I believe BoB will beat D2, LV, RAGOON, AAA and anyone who dares oppose them. Otherwise D2 would have already made a move and taken over BoB's newly conquered regions before they have a time to turn ASCN into their pets. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2006.12.27 05:03:00 - [313] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Galaxy i here D2 war machine just broke. there top corp black lance have left leaving them very exposed. a war machine headed by black lance I have to agree with my old comrade. IF that was was their best, then they are in serious trouble. Go BoB. At least you guys are honest with your intentions. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.27 06:33:00 - [314] I think Celes and Reikoku should have a fight - just for old times sake... and then they should merge into one. I wanted Darth Solo and Dianabolic action figures for x-mas... but they were already sold-out. Dracolich plays with his favorite Fedaykin doll instead.
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 07:01:00 - [315] Originally by: Kugutsumen Otherwise D2 would have already made a move and taken over BoB's newly conquered regions before they have a time to turn ASCN into their pets. as much as I like your intel - this one is not correct
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 08:24:00 - [316] My original reason for posting this thread was not to put BoB against D2, that is already in the works...my reason was because I no very little about the actual PvP end of the game and my little corp has been flourishing in an area that is now being threatened by D2. From all the posts I have read in the past 2 hours, it seems that D2 may not be large enough to take on BoB solo, but the fact is, they are growing daily in their recruiting of help. Just this holiday weekend they moved a massive fleet into the Outer Ring and logged them off. This is not 7 jumps from where my corp calls its home. They have gotten half the residence there to join their forces and are growing like the BORG. So my point is not to simply toss another BoB post out there, but to see if this thing will pass quickly or do these things take a long time and should I move my family back into empire for a while? There are only a few corp/alliances in my area that are willing to stand up to the snowball approaching, and none of them are open to recruiting corps right now so my choices are limited Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.27 08:52:00 - [317] Originally by: Hull Cleaver My original reason for posting this thread was not to put BoB against D2, that is already in the works...my reason was because I no very little about the actual PvP end of the game and my little corp has been flourishing in an area that is now being threatened by D2. From all the posts I have read in the past 2 hours, it seems that D2 may not be large enough to take on BoB solo, but the fact is, they are growing daily in their recruiting of help. Just this holiday weekend they moved a massive fleet into the Outer Ring and logged them off. This is not 7 jumps from where my corp calls its home. They have gotten half the residence there to join their forces and are growing like the BORG. So my point is not to simply toss another BoB post out there, but to see if this thing will pass quickly or do these things take a long time and should I move my family back into empire for a while? There are only a few corp/alliances in my area that are willing to stand up to the snowball approaching, and none of them are open to recruiting corps right now so my choices are limited wtf did they go without me ? goddam d2 ffs\ :@!
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:28:00 - [318] Originally by: Liet Traep passes out tinfoil hats to readers of this post. Anyone who pays any attention at all would realize that BoB wants to do the (so far) impossible. They want to conquer all of Eve. I'm sure people will say it's not so but i honestly believe it to be the truth. They want to conquer all of the 0.0 regions and dominate them either directly or through client alliances like Fix and Xelas. Once they finish conquering Feyth they'll probably make a deal with corps who want to stay in the region and are willing to leave ASCN or they'll let another friendly alliance move in. They REALLY like having their name on regions on the map so I think they'll keep some of the ASCN carebears and move some others in to pay them rent. Then they'll relax and reload before moving on to their next campaign. From all the forum posting I think D2 may well be their next target. They seem to be quite afraid of D2 jumping on them while they're busy in Feyth. While I was in D2 if it even looked like D2 might be considering jumping in or seemed like they didn't have something to distract them someone would attack them or a rumor would spread that they were about to be attacked. looks like it was orchestrated to keep d2 from interfering in the ASCN/BoB conflict to me. I think if D2/RZR/Morsus/IRON/3/YouWhat(this will never happen, you'd never get all these alliances together) had all gathered their forces say 2 weeks ago and attacked BoB while ASCN still had some morale left we'd be talking about the end of BoB as we know it. Looks to me that BoB has successfully kept D2 and friends from intervening long enough for them to finish ASCN off. And that Bob will now have time to consolidate their gains before attack their next target. My .02 isk. Thats pretty much what i imagine... The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:30:00 - [319] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out! I hope so, i certianly hope so Crean:) But i have my fears you are underestimating BOB just like ASCN did.. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.27 11:44:00 - [320] Have just spent ages cleaning out all the unrelated posts and flamining. Please keep on topic and dont flame. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 12:25:00 - [321] Originally by: Crean NaVar Edited by: Crean NaVar on 26/12/2006 11:57:06 Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. A very clever and well thought-out chain of argumentation we got here. BoB wins all wars ...erm... by definition and D2 is already overstrained with an "Outbreak" of piracy in their homelands. I think we can close this thread now and declare trk4 the winner of the forum award today. Unless some CELES or E-U pilot wants to have a closer look at this whole "gangs in claimed space" thingie. roaming gangs in foreign space? we would never do this - in fact we're running serpentis missions in fountain 'til we have more pilots with full snake sets in our corp than celtic anarchy. why we need so many snake sets?? to make the bump-a-phoons so fast that they can clean jita 4-4 from all parked ships in one go. so be aware, inhabitants of fou.. ahem .. jita - we will bump you. a lot. btw - o/ woody =) ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. [inactive]
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 12:55:00 - [322] Underestimating BoB? No, Earthan, I don¦t think we do. Have a look at all the corps and individual players in the north. Most of us have been in a state of war with BoB for most of its existance. We know how good they are. We know what they are capable of and we know how dedicated they are. But there is another thing we know for certain: BoB is not unbeatable! We know this because we have beaten them before. Unlike many of the arm-chair generals you see posting in topics like this one, blaming D2 for a lack of balls and general incompetence, we know what it takes to beat BoB. And unlike them we know very well that a campaign against BoB is not just won with the "bring a big fleet and shoot them all" approach but with months of logistical work behind the scenes. As much as I respect corps like CELES f.e. for bringing the fight to BoB, they tend to forget this aspect of the game, which makes it very easy for them to call on D2 to start a war. We respect BoB because we know them. But we don¦t fear anyone in this game. If you read the posts about D2 you¦ll see that many people, even high ranking BoB members like DBP, question our capabilities. Maybe they underestimate us? They call us NAP monkeys when in fact the overall number of allied players in the north is not much higher then the LV, RAGOON or BoB/FIX/MC block for example. They think we have grown big and soft. But then again, from time to time, you can read some doubts between the lines in posts by the more clever people. They ask themselves how much of the old [G] power is still in there, how deep the pockets of TRUST really are, how good these new corps in D2 are they never heard of before, how much bite still is in these IRON guys that stayed so quiet lately, how many capital ships and battleships RAZOR and MM are able to throw into the fight. Not one of the self-proclaimed experts and forum warriors can answer these questions. And there is only one way to find out.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 13:07:00 - [323] Sounds very wise :) The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:28:00 - [324] Originally by: Crean NaVar ... And there is only one way to find out. There are always more ways. I like your post, regardless. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:04:00 - [325] Originally by: Kryztal Edited by: Kryztal on 19/12/2006 03:44:20 Edited by: Kryztal on 19/12/2006 03:44:07 Its ASCN's hope that everyone jumps on the bandwagoon and saves them, AXE, LV, D2, V, aAa etc. To be fair, ASCN doesnt deserve saving in my opinion. This is not the alliance we were allied with during EC-P8R, or atleast i like to think so. Cos the ASCN today is just plain sad. <snip> ...and it's precisely because of what they did in EC-P8R that I, personally, have zero interest in seeing anyone comes to ASCN's aid or see them survive as an alliance. As much as I'd like to see BoB defeated at some point, I actually am rooting for them vs. ASCN.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:16:00 - [326] personally, I think that a grand north vs south (have experienced it before) will be a grand snoozefest... too many people on each side, and people have a tendency to mass up in too few systems, so you end up with teh grand nodecrash!!!1 Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:28:00 - [327] Originally by: Hast personally, I think that a grand north vs south (have experienced it before) will be a grand snoozefest... too many people on each side, and people have a tendency to mass up in too few systems, so you end up with teh grand nodecrash!!!1 oh north vs south, long time not read ^^ we had it, 1 year ago. after month af blablabla-bing from southern alliances about how they would omgwtfpwn the north. major southern alliances have been defeated within in a couple of weeks/days. most of them are dead now, or reformed as roaming around homeless, trying to find the greater glory from the past.
hezitationkillz Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:05:00 - [328] Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 11:05:36 The same D2 that was 'escorting' a Obelisk full of POS and tech2 guns.. with just a thorax, blaster-eagle(?) and a raptor?? Well defended (and we even picked the wrong gate and had to do a 180 to catch up =/) Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. So very true, i have to say that i think the same will happen as it always has. BoB came, BoB saw, BoB conquered.. and i dont think D2 really stands a chance (and i think they all know it deep down inside) ______________________
Straith GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:19:00 - [329] Originally by: hezitationkillz Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 11:05:36 The same D2 that was 'escorting' a Obelisk full of POS and tech2 guns.. with just a thorax, blaster-eagle(?) and a raptor?? Well defended (and we even picked the wrong gate and had to do a 180 to catch up =/) Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. So very true, i have to say that i think the same will happen as it always has. BoB came, BoB saw, BoB conquered.. and i dont think D2 really stands a chance (and i think they all know it deep down inside) Urm. Sorry to burst your bubble. But it was not full of POS and T2 guns. It has 17 T2 guns in it. That doesn't even fill a cruiser, never mind a freighter. And POS? There is no POS on the killmail. So what you meant to say was "A freighter full of POS fuel" Fair enough you nailed a freighter, nice work, and bad work on ECP for not escorting it properly, but try not to deceive people, that freighter was not full of T2 guns and POS (read high value) it was full of fuel (read low value). Big difference.
hezitationkillz Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 12:38:00 - [330] Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 12:46:35 Sorry how much do freighters go for again? I guess with so few tech2 turrets its probably ok to lose it then. Ah well, those silly D2.. The point being, they are in their own space and cant even muster up a single BS and only 1 hac to defend something of (low?) value. (and tbh i know f-all about POS's but arnt those batteries worth something too?)So pretty much what your saying is that in D2's eyes, frieghters with just a few tech2 guns and a few other bits and bobs isnt worth defending and losing them is no biggy? If your D2, i feel your pain. -Disclaimer: By POS and tech2 turrets i may have ment not very much at all. ______________________

Straith GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.28 13:06:00 - [331] Originally by: hezitationkillz Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 12:46:35 Sorry how much do freighters go for again? I guess with so few tech2 turrets its probably ok to lose it then. Ah well, those silly D2.. The point being, they are in their own space and cant even muster up a single BS and only 1 hac to defend something of (low?) value. (and tbh i know f-all about POS's but arnt those batteries worth something too?)So pretty much what your saying is that in D2's eyes, frieghters with just a few tech2 guns and a few other bits and bobs isnt worth defending and losing them is no biggy? If your D2, i feel your pain. -Disclaimer: By POS and tech2 turrets i may have ment not very much at all. Nah, was just saying that there's a big difference between 2bil and 20bil. 1bil isn't so much these days. No excuse for poor escort on a freighter though, that's just laziness. But it's a whole different story if it was full of POS. So yeah, it's worth defending, but no, it's not going to make or break a corp. Anyway, I hope you see my point, and I hope you're not trying to drag this into a smackfest on the forums. Bobbits have been very well behaved recently.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 13:15:00 - [332] Originally by: Straith Bobbits have been very well behaved recently. Don't mistake bevhiour for being too drunk to care, or even type. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Straith GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.28 13:19:00 - [333] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Straith Bobbits have been very well behaved recently. Don't mistake bevhiour for being too drunk to care, or even type. shrug Your alliance has been posting informative intelligent stuff recently. Take a compliment :P


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