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George Hurst S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:21:00 - [301] Originally by: OozoO Originally by: George Hurst D2 cant do aything to bob by themselves. They have setp the nap-wagon to protect themselves, much like x-traders and the rest of the xetic carebers tried to do back in the day. see how well it worked for them then? yawn ... thats all you got? yes, the truth and trackrecord didn't you get the xetic memo?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:21:00 - [302] It is, of course, far more important for a thread about BOB to hit 10 pages then for them to do anything.
BoeserBiber	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:24:00 - [303] bobs nap policy is even worse, read the intel thread
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:25:00 - [304] god damn, wrong char
Edoo Occassus	Posted - 2006.12.26 01:01:00 - [305] Originally by: Galaxy i here D2 war machine just broke. there top corp black lance have left leaving them very exposed. a war machine headed by black lance
trk4 Amarr Freeform Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.26 02:26:00 - [306] Wow... it'd be a good fight... but then again I thought the same about ASCN. Numbers aren't enough when up against experience, tactics and intelligence. BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space.
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 11:56:00 - [307] Edited by: Crean NaVar on 26/12/2006 11:57:06 Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. A very clever and well thought-out chain of argumentation we got here. BoB wins all wars ...erm... by definition and D2 is already overstrained with an "Outbreak" of piracy in their homelands. I think we can close this thread now and declare trk4 the winner of the forum award today. Unless some CELES or E-U pilot wants to have a closer look at this whole "gangs in claimed space" thingie.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:03:00 - [308] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:12:00 - [309] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. Hey woody, where ya been, haven't seen or heard of you ingame for awhile. You been on hol's or something? How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:14:00 - [310] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 26/12/2006 15:15:17 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. Back from my days in G i can assure you that BoB has alot more weaknesses. It takes strength, discipline and courage though to expose them. Hey woody, where ya been, haven't seen or heard of you ingame for awhile. You been on hol's or something? I leaved Germany and am living in spain now ;-) And spanish ppl are slow when it gets to giving inet access to foreigners -.- -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
Silvero Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 15:39:00 - [311] Edited by: Silvero on 26/12/2006 15:39:44 Lazy bastids didn't they know it was you woody ? Ohh and nice argument there Batty boy, bolded the interessting part. Kinda like "Yeah we are the master of docking, and whatever else you evil bobits do you can never ever take that away from me". Originally by: batloard sorry dian i changed my mind a day after i didnt want to join scum like you try coming by yourself and face me 1v1 or do you have to have your 50 m8s behind you then well see who docks first, oh thats right, camp me in 24/7, i couldnt give 2 ***s, you will only just get bored and leave again like last time, just shows you dont have enough balls to patrol your own region.* Also while you smacktalk your xelas friends get slaughtered daily, apparently Celes has achieved nothing, But a few months ago xelas was up to 1700 members. Now, 10 carriers, a dread later, your allies are weak and cower inside pos's waiting for the day that bob arrives. Ever thought of a career as a comidian ?
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.26 16:08:00 - [312] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 26/12/2006 16:08:20 Originally by: Hull Cleaver Can D2 really beat BoB??? Even though I really dislike BoB... I believe BoB will beat D2, LV, RAGOON, AAA and anyone who dares oppose them. Otherwise D2 would have already made a move and taken over BoB's newly conquered regions before they have a time to turn ASCN into their pets. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2006.12.27 05:03:00 - [313] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Galaxy i here D2 war machine just broke. there top corp black lance have left leaving them very exposed. a war machine headed by black lance I have to agree with my old comrade. IF that was was their best, then they are in serious trouble. Go BoB. At least you guys are honest with your intentions. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.27 06:33:00 - [314] I think Celes and Reikoku should have a fight - just for old times sake... and then they should merge into one. I wanted Darth Solo and Dianabolic action figures for x-mas... but they were already sold-out. Dracolich plays with his favorite Fedaykin doll instead.
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 07:01:00 - [315] Originally by: Kugutsumen Otherwise D2 would have already made a move and taken over BoB's newly conquered regions before they have a time to turn ASCN into their pets. as much as I like your intel - this one is not correct
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 08:24:00 - [316] My original reason for posting this thread was not to put BoB against D2, that is already in the works...my reason was because I no very little about the actual PvP end of the game and my little corp has been flourishing in an area that is now being threatened by D2. From all the posts I have read in the past 2 hours, it seems that D2 may not be large enough to take on BoB solo, but the fact is, they are growing daily in their recruiting of help. Just this holiday weekend they moved a massive fleet into the Outer Ring and logged them off. This is not 7 jumps from where my corp calls its home. They have gotten half the residence there to join their forces and are growing like the BORG. So my point is not to simply toss another BoB post out there, but to see if this thing will pass quickly or do these things take a long time and should I move my family back into empire for a while? There are only a few corp/alliances in my area that are willing to stand up to the snowball approaching, and none of them are open to recruiting corps right now so my choices are limited Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.27 08:52:00 - [317] Originally by: Hull Cleaver My original reason for posting this thread was not to put BoB against D2, that is already in the works...my reason was because I no very little about the actual PvP end of the game and my little corp has been flourishing in an area that is now being threatened by D2. From all the posts I have read in the past 2 hours, it seems that D2 may not be large enough to take on BoB solo, but the fact is, they are growing daily in their recruiting of help. Just this holiday weekend they moved a massive fleet into the Outer Ring and logged them off. This is not 7 jumps from where my corp calls its home. They have gotten half the residence there to join their forces and are growing like the BORG. So my point is not to simply toss another BoB post out there, but to see if this thing will pass quickly or do these things take a long time and should I move my family back into empire for a while? There are only a few corp/alliances in my area that are willing to stand up to the snowball approaching, and none of them are open to recruiting corps right now so my choices are limited wtf did they go without me ? goddam d2 ffs\ :@!
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:28:00 - [318] Originally by: Liet Traep passes out tinfoil hats to readers of this post. Anyone who pays any attention at all would realize that BoB wants to do the (so far) impossible. They want to conquer all of Eve. I'm sure people will say it's not so but i honestly believe it to be the truth. They want to conquer all of the 0.0 regions and dominate them either directly or through client alliances like Fix and Xelas. Once they finish conquering Feyth they'll probably make a deal with corps who want to stay in the region and are willing to leave ASCN or they'll let another friendly alliance move in. They REALLY like having their name on regions on the map so I think they'll keep some of the ASCN carebears and move some others in to pay them rent. Then they'll relax and reload before moving on to their next campaign. From all the forum posting I think D2 may well be their next target. They seem to be quite afraid of D2 jumping on them while they're busy in Feyth. While I was in D2 if it even looked like D2 might be considering jumping in or seemed like they didn't have something to distract them someone would attack them or a rumor would spread that they were about to be attacked. looks like it was orchestrated to keep d2 from interfering in the ASCN/BoB conflict to me. I think if D2/RZR/Morsus/IRON/3/YouWhat(this will never happen, you'd never get all these alliances together) had all gathered their forces say 2 weeks ago and attacked BoB while ASCN still had some morale left we'd be talking about the end of BoB as we know it. Looks to me that BoB has successfully kept D2 and friends from intervening long enough for them to finish ASCN off. And that Bob will now have time to consolidate their gains before attack their next target. My .02 isk. Thats pretty much what i imagine... The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:30:00 - [319] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: TitusFlamininus Quote: Can D2 really beat BoB??? No. While Bob is perfecting its combat skills in the ASCN war, D2 is sitting with their thumbs up their arses. Especially when it comes to POS warfare and sniper fleet battles. Bob have internalized every tiny little detail in the current build with respect to combat due to the shear amount of practice from the current war. Seriously, why should D2 think that they would stand a chance? Bob's only weakness is that they can be at one, perhaps two places at once. But where ever they are, the enemy will get steamrolled. Also add the fact of thier extremely good intel and that their fleets are highly mobile. They can smash with one of their fleets in short succession multiple equal sized enemy fleets. WTF!! Will you plz get on your knees and surrender to the allmighty BoB fleets? C O W A R D !!! I¦ve read this thread for a good while now, but this is the fecking highlight. OMG, D2 is not on its absolute top of fighting power. Who would have thought? We need some training. But how, for the sake of all sane people in this game, do you come to the unbelievable conclusion, that, because ASCN sucks at PvP and lost to BoB ( and omg you DO suck ! ) D2 sucks equally and has to loose, too? I¦m sorry for all the good guys in ASCN ( there are a few, some already left ), but you lost, because you decided to loose. You gave up. You got beaten by your own arrogance and by the forums. Look at what happened: your own members think BoB is unbeatable. Does D2 stand a chance against Bob? Of course we do! 1. D2 has the economic power to confront BoB for years. 2. D2 has the PvP forces to confront BoB. (As I said, we need a bit of training for our new guys, but there are so many veterans just waiting for the moment to come back for this...) 3. D2 has friends. Friends in the meaning of "they will be there when we need them, whatever it takes". They have trusted [G] in the past, and I can not imagine a single one of these guys to stay away from the front lines when it comes to fight the big evil. Bob would fight "The North". 4. We have the stamina. We have the experience. And we have the WILL to fight to the end! And just get this one straight: "The core and spirit of [G] is still there. Any doubts? Find out! I hope so, i certianly hope so Crean:) But i have my fears you are underestimating BOB just like ASCN did.. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.27 11:44:00 - [320] Have just spent ages cleaning out all the unrelated posts and flamining. Please keep on topic and dont flame. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 12:25:00 - [321] Originally by: Crean NaVar Edited by: Crean NaVar on 26/12/2006 11:57:06 Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. A very clever and well thought-out chain of argumentation we got here. BoB wins all wars ...erm... by definition and D2 is already overstrained with an "Outbreak" of piracy in their homelands. I think we can close this thread now and declare trk4 the winner of the forum award today. Unless some CELES or E-U pilot wants to have a closer look at this whole "gangs in claimed space" thingie. roaming gangs in foreign space? we would never do this - in fact we're running serpentis missions in fountain 'til we have more pilots with full snake sets in our corp than celtic anarchy. why we need so many snake sets?? to make the bump-a-phoons so fast that they can clean jita 4-4 from all parked ships in one go. so be aware, inhabitants of fou.. ahem .. jita - we will bump you. a lot. btw - o/ woody =) ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit. [inactive]
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 12:55:00 - [322] Underestimating BoB? No, Earthan, I don¦t think we do. Have a look at all the corps and individual players in the north. Most of us have been in a state of war with BoB for most of its existance. We know how good they are. We know what they are capable of and we know how dedicated they are. But there is another thing we know for certain: BoB is not unbeatable! We know this because we have beaten them before. Unlike many of the arm-chair generals you see posting in topics like this one, blaming D2 for a lack of balls and general incompetence, we know what it takes to beat BoB. And unlike them we know very well that a campaign against BoB is not just won with the "bring a big fleet and shoot them all" approach but with months of logistical work behind the scenes. As much as I respect corps like CELES f.e. for bringing the fight to BoB, they tend to forget this aspect of the game, which makes it very easy for them to call on D2 to start a war. We respect BoB because we know them. But we don¦t fear anyone in this game. If you read the posts about D2 you¦ll see that many people, even high ranking BoB members like DBP, question our capabilities. Maybe they underestimate us? They call us NAP monkeys when in fact the overall number of allied players in the north is not much higher then the LV, RAGOON or BoB/FIX/MC block for example. They think we have grown big and soft. But then again, from time to time, you can read some doubts between the lines in posts by the more clever people. They ask themselves how much of the old [G] power is still in there, how deep the pockets of TRUST really are, how good these new corps in D2 are they never heard of before, how much bite still is in these IRON guys that stayed so quiet lately, how many capital ships and battleships RAZOR and MM are able to throw into the fight. Not one of the self-proclaimed experts and forum warriors can answer these questions. And there is only one way to find out.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.27 13:07:00 - [323] Sounds very wise :) The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:28:00 - [324] Originally by: Crean NaVar ... And there is only one way to find out. There are always more ways. I like your post, regardless. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:04:00 - [325] Originally by: Kryztal Edited by: Kryztal on 19/12/2006 03:44:20 Edited by: Kryztal on 19/12/2006 03:44:07 Its ASCN's hope that everyone jumps on the bandwagoon and saves them, AXE, LV, D2, V, aAa etc. To be fair, ASCN doesnt deserve saving in my opinion. This is not the alliance we were allied with during EC-P8R, or atleast i like to think so. Cos the ASCN today is just plain sad. <snip> ...and it's precisely because of what they did in EC-P8R that I, personally, have zero interest in seeing anyone comes to ASCN's aid or see them survive as an alliance. As much as I'd like to see BoB defeated at some point, I actually am rooting for them vs. ASCN.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:16:00 - [326] personally, I think that a grand north vs south (have experienced it before) will be a grand snoozefest... too many people on each side, and people have a tendency to mass up in too few systems, so you end up with teh grand nodecrash!!!1 Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:28:00 - [327] Originally by: Hast personally, I think that a grand north vs south (have experienced it before) will be a grand snoozefest... too many people on each side, and people have a tendency to mass up in too few systems, so you end up with teh grand nodecrash!!!1 oh north vs south, long time not read ^^ we had it, 1 year ago. after month af blablabla-bing from southern alliances about how they would omgwtfpwn the north. major southern alliances have been defeated within in a couple of weeks/days. most of them are dead now, or reformed as roaming around homeless, trying to find the greater glory from the past.
hezitationkillz Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:05:00 - [328] Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 11:05:36 The same D2 that was 'escorting' a Obelisk full of POS and tech2 guns.. with just a thorax, blaster-eagle(?) and a raptor?? Well defended (and we even picked the wrong gate and had to do a 180 to catch up =/) Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. So very true, i have to say that i think the same will happen as it always has. BoB came, BoB saw, BoB conquered.. and i dont think D2 really stands a chance (and i think they all know it deep down inside) ______________________
Straith GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:19:00 - [329] Originally by: hezitationkillz Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 11:05:36 The same D2 that was 'escorting' a Obelisk full of POS and tech2 guns.. with just a thorax, blaster-eagle(?) and a raptor?? Well defended (and we even picked the wrong gate and had to do a 180 to catch up =/) Originally by: trk4 BoB are a military powerhouse, everyone knows that, whereas D2 cant even keep roaming pirate gangs out of their claimed space. So very true, i have to say that i think the same will happen as it always has. BoB came, BoB saw, BoB conquered.. and i dont think D2 really stands a chance (and i think they all know it deep down inside) Urm. Sorry to burst your bubble. But it was not full of POS and T2 guns. It has 17 T2 guns in it. That doesn't even fill a cruiser, never mind a freighter. And POS? There is no POS on the killmail. So what you meant to say was "A freighter full of POS fuel" Fair enough you nailed a freighter, nice work, and bad work on ECP for not escorting it properly, but try not to deceive people, that freighter was not full of T2 guns and POS (read high value) it was full of fuel (read low value). Big difference.
hezitationkillz Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 12:38:00 - [330] Edited by: hezitationkillz on 28/12/2006 12:46:35 Sorry how much do freighters go for again? I guess with so few tech2 turrets its probably ok to lose it then. Ah well, those silly D2.. The point being, they are in their own space and cant even muster up a single BS and only 1 hac to defend something of (low?) value. (and tbh i know f-all about POS's but arnt those batteries worth something too?)So pretty much what your saying is that in D2's eyes, frieghters with just a few tech2 guns and a few other bits and bobs isnt worth defending and losing them is no biggy? If your D2, i feel your pain. -Disclaimer: By POS and tech2 turrets i may have ment not very much at all. ______________________

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