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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
364
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Posted - 2015.09.24 05:59:31 -
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Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it.
I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks. CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc
I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me. Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282 |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
152
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:26:20 -
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That is just wrong. Toying with the history and fabric of EVE (apparently loss doesn't seem to have consequences) just so you can save yourself some dev time to not have to come up with a new model for a tournament prize. That is not "supporting storyline" as he puts it, it's "fcking with storyline". |
Salvos Rhoska
1498
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:36:48 -
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Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
152
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:41:53 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2518
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:59:37 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote: Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.
If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game. So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
364
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:02:53 -
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They're re-releasing the old ships, just changing the numbers around. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:03:18 -
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Aren't there only 4 new Gold Magnates being released? (I haven't checked)
I can understand the concern, but not too bothered by it myself. Giving one to everyone would be too much, since it wouldn't be unique anymore, but not sure where I sit on how many is ok. Doesn't seem like 4 additional ones will damage the uniqueness of them.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:04:53 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote: Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.
If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game. So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships. Were they rebalancing them? So the existing ones will be updated to the new stats too I think.
Not totally certain though, so quite possibly also wrong.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
613
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:05:41 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Let's hope so, because if "new" just simply means "re-released", then they are going to loose a lot of support from players regarding ship SKIN's, including me. The idea of SKIN's are great and all, but there's a thin line between a long sought after method of ship customization players have wanted for so long and downright slapping unique and prized ship owners in the face. Ultimately, it's CCP's final decision to move forward in such a direction or not, Eve and all content within it after all are their property and it's within their right, but many players will have a field day nonetheless if it comes to that. They should tread lightly, not because we players have some self-imposed right or some fictitious contractual leverage, but out of mere professional courtesy and respect for the customers they do business with.
I have faith they know the difference and are better than that. Once pics come out of what these so-called "new" Magnates, will see for sure.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
366
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:06:47 -
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I don't know how many they're releasing , one is too many as far as I'm concerned.
https://twitter.com/EvePodcasts/status/645324972752281600 Fozzie talked about there being a wrong way and a right way to re-release uniques in this podcast, this tournament being the "right way" .
Personally I'd say there is no right way once your company has announced there will never be more of a ship-type released and people buy and sell trusting that they're not lying. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40314
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:10:42 -
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Not new per se. Rebalanced.
From a Reddit post by Sugar Kyle:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3lree7/csm10_csmx_post_28_sugar_kyle_noreply_at/?
and linked interview with Fozzie:
http://newedenupdate.com/2015/09/19/new-eden-update-episode-70-19th-september-2015/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EvePodcastsList+%28Eve+Online+Ultimate+Podcast+RSS+Feed%29
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Big Lynx
3960
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:26:29 -
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Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
623
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:30:10 -
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I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2519
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:33:30 -
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Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source. Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing. Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
366
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:39:02 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
367
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:00:17 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source. Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing. Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number.
They released a fifth impoc, only to immediately realize they messed up and take it back. Memory may be funny but them having promised never to release more was the reason that BIG Lottery impoc didn't stay in the game.
So basically they broke their promise once, CCP Oveur fixed the mistake. (Doesn't work there anymore.) Tried to again through Somer Blink in mindbogglingly stupid fashion, changed their minds due to community response. Now trying to again out of what appears to be sheer lazyness. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
623
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:01:20 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes. Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ?
O OK so then it's absolutely no big deal at all. |
Big Lynx
3960
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Posted - 2015.09.24 08:02:49 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Sweet... Go earn some Isk and buy it. Like I did. Like everyone can.
Or are you just lazy like ccp? |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
816
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Posted - 2015.09.24 15:52:47 -
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I say keep the silver and gold Magnate in place as they are and release a new "platinum Magnate" with new stats.
Old owners stay happy and new ones have a truly unique Magnate of their own, even the old collecters can strive for to get their hands on. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2239
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:05:09 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
Don't buy overpriced stuff based on their rarity. |
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
624
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:11:56 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.
So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.
Would it not be better to have "new" gold/silver ships? Why magnate, why not gold/silver crucifier, etc.
To quote Lfod Shi
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DaReaper
Net 7
2582
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:18:49 -
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TT, didn;t you win the first one in the amarr championships?
if so, then why wouldn;t another amarr championships have the same prizes? Thought they never said, afaik, that they would never make new ships of the old limited edition ones.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
369
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:21:57 -
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Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ? |
Tiagra May
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:31:22 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas
Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9828
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:35:36 -
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The issue here is the occasion on which they are releasing them. Its Amarr succesion trials. Blame Amarr.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2239
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:36:18 -
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Tiagra May wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet.
My "space pixels" lost "space pixels money" value!!!!!!! |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
869
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:01:18 -
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After the stratios ER skin bs I'm not the slightest bit surprised they pull a d-move like this, honestly.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11990
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:03:15 -
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* puts pants on head, sets pants on fire, runs around screaming *
Better the Devil you know.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
305
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:37:51 -
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Unique - Einn af a g+¦+¦ur. J+ªja, hugsanlega tv+¦. There. Now we'll get somewhere with this.
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Pentara
Galactic Response Team
0
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:41:32 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ?
It's frustrating to say the least.
I used to fly my Silver Magnate all the time. CCP re-balanced all the ships a few years back and never touched the Silver Magnate, giving it just base stats. I honestly think the last time I flew in 0.0 was when you could triple MWD it, still fly sometimes in empire.
Yes, I bought it because I used to be a collector. I do remember CCP saying they would not be re-released. That being said, I understand the reason for them to be re-released, I don't think an alliance tournament is the way to do it. It extremely limits who can get these rare ships.
That being said, I would prefer the original ships to remain significant in some way. Just releasing all these extra ships does nothing to the current owners but de-value them. |
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Arec Bardwin
1862
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:45:16 -
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Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically. |
Pentara
Galactic Response Team
0
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:55:51 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically.
Not really in-context for long time owners.
The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B
An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine.
What can I afford to lose?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2244
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Posted - 2015.09.24 20:04:25 -
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Pentara wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically. Not really in-context for long time owners. The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine. What can I afford to lose?
You can "afford" to lose anything you invest in a hangar ornament? |
Pentara
Galactic Response Team
0
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Posted - 2015.09.24 20:10:16 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Pentara wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically. Not really in-context for long time owners. The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine. What can I afford to lose? You can "afford" to lose anything you invest in a hangar ornament?
Seems like a great investment doesn't it?
"afford to lose" has nothing to do with collections. Collectors buy stuff because they want it. If you can afford to lose it or not doesn't matter because the goal of collectors is to create an assortment of hanger ornaments. Everyone is EVE has a different goal. Why would anyone question that goal?
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Arec Bardwin
1862
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Posted - 2015.09.24 20:20:26 -
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You don't lose the ornament as such. The said items will become less rare, and the collectors value of them will go down. There is also a significant potential isk loss. There is a reason for the collectors tears in this thread; they are obviously collecting something they cannot afford to lose. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
231
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Posted - 2015.09.24 20:59:27 -
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This is a science game, not a magic fantasy game. "Rare" is fine, unique is not. If it could be built once it can be built again; having a single example that cant be duplicated because ~reasons~ is silly.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1595
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:29:40 -
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So a repeat of the event has the same award? For what it lacks in creativity it makes up for in consistency at least. It does make sense that the Amarr have a "medal" of sorts tied to this specific occasion. When viewed like that different awards each time makes less sense.
Granted if we ignore the lore side of things it's just a kick in the pants to collectors, but at the same time it's that lore that opened the first opportunity to collect these items to begin with so v0v. |
Reiisha
Repracor Industries
767
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:51:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it. I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks. CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me. Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282
I heard the gold magnate went for 500m....
That said, the magnates were given out as prizes in the succession trials. I heard some empress died and a new one has to come around at some point, this time without resurrection shennanigans.....
If it's a prize for new succession trials, i don't see why not. Makes complete sense. I don't have an issue with rare ships myself - even though i'll never own one. Gives the game's direct content some depth, if you know what i mean.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18945
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:55:24 -
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Like others have said, these are prizes for the succession trials; the last time these ships were released was the last succession trials, in late 2003. AFAIK, there are zero gold magnates left in the game, and one (was it two?) silver ones.
If there's any time to release them again, it's now - and seeing as there will only be four of the god magnate, period, I don't really see the issue.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
371
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:58:41 -
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"f there's any time to release them again" There isn't.
I'd estimate 10 silvers remaining , but could be fewer I guess depending on how many Somer had when banned etc and Reiisha it was 1 bil not 500 mil |
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Arec Bardwin
1863
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:10:44 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:"f there's any time to release them again" There isn't. There is. It's April 22nd 2016, i'm guessing live on fanfest.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2528
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:10:53 -
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Entity wrote:After the stratios ER skin bs I'm not the slightest bit surprised they pull a d-move like this, honestly. You mean the SPECIAL edition Stratios ER right...... You of all people should know the difference between limited and special. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1595
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:15:22 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Entity wrote:After the stratios ER skin bs I'm not the slightest bit surprised they pull a d-move like this, honestly. You mean the SPECIAL edition Stratios ER right...... You of all people should know the difference between limited and special. To be fair it's just the colors. No matter how many skins you inject you won't ever have the ship itself anyways. I mean, I understand uniques being re-released making people mad, but going beyond that to say that nothing can even look like it even if it's still clearly not the same is a bit much. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9841
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:59:15 -
[44] - Quote
I will not be mad if on any occasion one of these will find a way into my hangar.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
58160
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:46:25 -
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If a collectors goal is to have this rare ship in his hangar, does it really matter if it loses a couple of hundred billion ISK in value? It doesn't. It matters only to speculators. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1529
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:48:52 -
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I was actually more annoyed when some of the more expensive ships i had collected turned in to skins.
Sure the skin can still be sold for a lot of ISK but that is not the point. You took a serious risk undocking in a rare ship as it was always gank bait and something of a kill mail trophy so you never saw them in the wild much if ever. Now they are an indestructible skin you see them everywhere. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1033
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:59:32 -
[47] - Quote
I should get the Eidolon for all the free consultation I've given CCP. :p
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2529
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Posted - 2015.09.25 00:36:51 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: To be fair it's just the colors. No matter how many skins you inject you won't ever have the ship itself anyways. I mean, I understand uniques being re-released making people mad, but going beyond that to say that nothing can even look like it even if it's still clearly not the same is a bit much.
My point is that a lot of these are not 'uniques'. Limited edition = only X of it ever made. Special edition = special release, but no specific number cap.
A lot of the collectors edition ships are actually Special edition, and people have just assumed that no more will ever be released. CCP have always said that Special edition ships may be re-released and collectors buy at their own risk. Exactly which the Gold & Silver Magnates were released as I don't know, but if it wasn't specified at the time then it's Special. And I have a vague recollection of them saying so at the Somer time that they were but that they would do something else as it wasn't an appropriate venue, but I'm not searching that thread for the reference myself, so don't take that as a given. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1529
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:25:20 -
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There was only ever one Gold Magnate released the one ship that the OP lost.
I think the idea that "there was only one and now its gone" is actually a significant part of EVE lore and I can see why re-releasing it is controversial.
The issue has nothing to do with people who currently own one, no one does the only one that existed was destroyed long ago.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
870
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:46:36 -
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Part of the problem is we live in a digital world where items re-released now are exactly identical to the "vintage" ones of 12 years ago.
You can argue in favor or against re-release all you want, the fact remains that the original ships will lose their "vintage" badge, as there is no way to distinguish a re-issue from the originally released ones.
This matters to collectors regardless of whether they have an interest in their sale value or not.
In real life this would be less of a problem as it's usually obvious which is the vintage article and which is the re-issue (like with Dinky Toys, which offers reissues of their classic toys)
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2529
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:50:54 -
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Entity wrote:Part of the problem is we live in a digital world where items re-released now are exactly identical to the "vintage" ones of 12 years ago.
You can argue in favor or against re-release all you want, the fact remains that the original ships will lose their "vintage" badge, as there is no way to distinguish a re-issue from the originally released ones.
This matters to collectors regardless of whether they have an interest in their sale value or not.
In real life this would be less of a problem as it's usually obvious which is the vintage article and which is the re-issue (like with Dinky Toys, which offers reissues of their classic toys)
Yes they will lose their 'vintage' badge. And this is not a problem provided they were a special release, as opposed to a limited release. Both are 'unique' items, but they have different rules surrounding them and EVE players are very prone to confusing the two and then wondering why CCP has done something. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1530
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:54:34 -
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Entity wrote:
In real life this would be less of a problem as it's usually obvious which is the vintage article and which is the re-issue (like with Dinky Toys, which offers reissues of their classic toys)
Not quite so obvious with fake artwork especially if the fake was created around the time the original artist was still alive and creating new works. Though generally these fakes are not copies of existing works they are purported new undiscovered works.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
871
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Posted - 2015.09.25 02:19:51 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:And this is not a problem provided they were a special release, as opposed to a limited release.
The limited vs special distinction is something introduced a very long time after the release of those ships, and at the time they were handed out with the implication that if they were gone, they would be gone forever.
There's probably some CCP posts floating around in the old forums archive saying something to that extent.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
379
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Posted - 2015.09.25 02:29:50 -
[54] - Quote
Yeah was 100% never to be released again at the time, and devs said so both on forums (no I don't have a link) and in person.
If that wasn't the case they wouldn't have taken back the BIG Lottery imperial issue apocalypse when some devs made a mistake and ignorantly gave it out.
Too bad CCP Oveur quit a long time ago, he would've prevented this kind of thing. :( |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1775
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:07:07 -
[55] - Quote
I'm not 100% on the origin of the ships, but from what I remember reading there was only 1 gold ever? And seeing how it exploded, I'm not horribly offended by CCP adding 4 more. that said I'm not really for the move,
there are still some silver ones left, and a re-release of those seems less wise.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1597
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:49:42 -
[56] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I'm not 100% on the origin of the ships, but from what I remember reading there was only 1 gold ever? And seeing how it exploded, I'm not horribly offended by CCP adding 4 more. that said I'm not really for the move,
there are still some silver ones left, and a re-release of those seems less wise. The origin of the ships was the single prior occurrence of the event which we now have giving them away again. Basically the ships are being used like winner and participation medals for an event which only happens at the whims of CCP.
It would be something of an issue if it was stated, relative to that specific first instance of the event, that no other subsequent events of the same nature would happen, or that if there was the prizes would be different, or, understandably as a prize for something wholly unrelated. Thus far though, no proof of such has been offered. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
470
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Posted - 2015.09.25 04:08:30 -
[57] - Quote
Lore wise the Magnate is supposed to be some pinnacle of Amarrian artistic expression and luxury so that is why another hull is probably not chosen as a reward.
I like to collect too and don't understand all the whinging over a tiny handful of ships but possibly there is time for an art dev to do two new hulls in gemstone colors or other rich materials instead of metallics to appease the 1% ?
Ruby, Sapphire, and Amethyst are all traditional imperial colors after all. (Crimson, Blue, and Purple)
or Ivory and Jet? (with gold/silver hightlights)
It isn't really constructive to just complain without suggesting alternatives.
That said one might guess an artist already spent time on the new Gold and Silver versions and probably proud of their work and wanting to show it off.
These complaints are really selfish as far as that goes IMO. |
Gneeznow
Chemically Unbalanced
115
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Posted - 2015.09.25 10:55:48 -
[58] - Quote
I hope my M4A2E4 Sherman stays as rare and wargaming doesn't go ba-- wait wrong game |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. I N F A M O U S
488
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Posted - 2015.09.25 11:09:15 -
[59] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:There was only ever one Gold Magnate released the one ship that the OP lost.
I think the idea that "there was only one and now its gone" is actually a significant part of EVE lore and I can see why re-releasing it is controversial.
The issue has nothing to do with people who currently own one, no one does the only one that existed was destroyed long ago.
Unless you create new lore around te release, and that is exactly what is happening. |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
179
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Posted - 2015.09.25 12:39:21 -
[60] - Quote
As a ship collector after this move, the ishukone scorp becoming just a skin where the rattlesnake victory stays as a ship (yes it matters) and the release of ishukone scorps to blink. I have now reached my limit and will not be collecting 'special' ships anymore. I have lost enough isk thanks. Another part of eve has been ruined for me.
How many silver magnates have they released? 6 factions, 4 teams each of 4? 96 Silver Magnates? I know of 6 Silver Magnates ingame currently. We are not talking about 1-100b loss for investors but about hundreds of billions! Its a lame move to pull. You could have probably got a silver Magnate for 800b before the announcement. Now as there will be 102 ingame, you can probably pick one up for 20b or less. (especially as collectors will have no faith in it holding its value, the next emperor/empress could die the next day) |
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:36:27 -
[61] - Quote
Entity wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:And this is not a problem provided they were a special release, as opposed to a limited release. The limited vs special distinction is something introduced a very long time after the release of those ships, and at the time they were handed out with the implication that if they were gone, they would be gone forever. There's probably some CCP posts floating around in the old forums archive saying something to that extent.
The one that are gone are still gone forever. It's not like OP can have his gold magnate from back then. He might somehow get his hand on another one but never the one that was destroyed. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:37:49 -
[62] - Quote
TinkerHell wrote:As a ship collector after this move, the ishukone scorp becoming just a skin where the rattlesnake victory stays as a ship (yes it matters) and the release of ishukone scorps to blink. I have now reached my limit and will not be collecting 'special' ships anymore. I have lost enough isk thanks. Another part of eve has been ruined for me.
How many silver magnates have they released? 6 factions, 4 teams each of 4? 96 Silver Magnates? I know of 6 Silver Magnates ingame currently. We are not talking about 1-100b loss for investors but about hundreds of billions! Its a lame move to pull. You could have probably got a silver Magnate for 800b before the announcement. Now as there will be 102 ingame, you can probably pick one up for 20b or less. (especially as collectors will have no faith in it holding its value, the next emperor/empress could die the next day)
Oh noes!!!! Someone speculating on the value of pixels lost pixel value!!!!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
383
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:52:20 -
[63] - Quote
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Lore wise the Magnate is supposed to be some pinnacle of Amarrian artistic expression and luxury so that is why another hull is probably not chosen as a reward.
I like to collect too and don't understand all the whinging over a tiny handful of ships but possibly there is time for an art dev to do two new hulls in gemstone colors or other rich materials instead of metallics to appease the 1% ?
Ruby, Sapphire, and Amethyst are all traditional imperial colors after all. (Crimson, Blue, and Purple)
or Ivory and Jet? (with gold/silver hightlights)
It isn't really constructive to just complain without suggesting alternatives.
That said one might guess an artist already spent time on the new Gold and Silver versions and probably proud of their work and wanting to show it off.
These complaints are really selfish as far as that goes IMO.
I don't see anything selfish about wanting CCP to honor their promises, especially considering I don't own any uniques. If they wasted art time on it that's their very easily avoided mistake, and as you say it's supposed to be a work of art, if you give out a painting as a prize maybe it should actually be an original instead of a copy ? Giving the exact same artwork out twice cheapens both. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
71
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Posted - 2015.09.25 14:39:29 -
[64] - Quote
cant wait for the impoc to be on markets \o/ |
John WarpingSlow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2015.09.25 14:54:45 -
[65] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
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Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1124
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Posted - 2015.09.25 15:46:21 -
[66] - Quote
What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.
Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.
Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.
There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?
Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
383
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Posted - 2015.09.25 16:01:03 -
[67] - Quote
John WarpingSlow wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it. |
Tonai Kion
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
19
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Posted - 2015.09.25 18:07:04 -
[68] - Quote
Holy moley. Is it 2013 again? I remember when Riot changed the legacy skins for limited times again and the fare skin owners went nuts over it citing they spent hundreds of dollars acquiring them. One thing collectors never realize is that it is possible that things get re released, and if you are. Banking on them not releasing something because they said they wouldn't ten years ago, you are making a huge error in judgement |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1126
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Posted - 2015.09.25 18:16:53 -
[69] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:John WarpingSlow wrote:You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it. Glathull wrote:What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.
Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.
Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.
There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?
Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.
Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess. No problem with doing that, the problem would be that they aren't making any effort at all, if they did what you're describing it wouldn't be the same ship, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
And you know this how? From one tweet that gave absolutely no details about they are or are not planning to do?
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
387
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Posted - 2015.09.25 22:30:48 -
[70] - Quote
I don't know it for sure and I would be happy to be wrong. All they've said is "We're re-issuing the Gold and Silver Magnates" re-issue sounds like the same thing to me, rebalanced or not. |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
965
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Posted - 2015.09.25 23:09:17 -
[71] - Quote
Look, who cares if Lucas changed it so Greedo shot first. Greedo died, Han clearly knew trouble was coming as he undid the safety strap, and Ham still comes out as the bad posterior region he is.
Oh wait... This is about the magnates. Look, who cares if CCP opts to reissue an old rare ship. More chances for the rest of us to see it and let it spread tales of wonder through out eve. It would be fun, plus it is their game. Much like Star Wars was Lucas's story, their story/game, their choice.
And in all honesty, you are asking a company to be held to a statement it made 5+ years ago That is not related to a safety or warranty question, when it had no clue which direction Eve would head. Can we hold the OP to every statement he made 5 or more years ago? Can we hold him to any statement today five years from now? |
Salvos Rhoska
1515
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Posted - 2015.09.25 23:16:15 -
[72] - Quote
I'm greatly amused by people worried about losing value on their 800bil spinnable space pixels
This is a kind of insane level of first world problem that I can't even remotely relate to and find just flat out funny.
PvE v PvP
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
193
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Posted - 2015.09.26 02:15:53 -
[73] - Quote
RIP Eve.
Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
14878
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Posted - 2015.09.26 05:42:14 -
[74] - Quote
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà
Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'
Twitter @Chribba
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1479
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Posted - 2015.09.26 08:52:33 -
[75] - Quote
Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. I N F A M O U S
494
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Posted - 2015.09.26 21:36:06 -
[76] - Quote
Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
Wrong argument. A new "history" and lore can be created from a newer edition of the same ship
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Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:10:36 -
[77] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.
One: I think you're a crybaby. Most bittervets are, so that's ok.
Two; the last time they were released as prizes for the Amarr Championships, thematically there is nothing wrong about them doing it again for the same event, and it is only a handful of ships at best. So their market value drops maybe a couple of billion, big deal.
Three: because you'll probably bring this up, I've played this game also for almost ten years now on various characters. In my mind there is no intrinsic historical value to some damn pixels. But you'll probably have your way and the ships wont be released, so I don't see the point in continuing this discussion. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
392
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Posted - 2015.09.26 23:37:06 -
[78] - Quote
You must be mistaking me for someone who cares about what's thematically reasonable when it comes to broken promises. also for someone who cares how long you've played (?) anwyays I seriously doubt I'll have my way
PS; I'm sure you would think it was a big deal if your silver magnate dropped from 800 bil to 40 bil worth, but as i said before I don't own any uniques nor do I think ISK is a particularly important factor, most of the current owners are probably so rich it doesn't have any real effect |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1197
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Posted - 2015.09.27 02:14:35 -
[79] - Quote
Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one.
I'm trying very hard to resist the temptation of jesting CCP and Volkswagen.
Concord Approved Trader
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
194
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Posted - 2015.09.27 04:26:18 -
[80] - Quote
I'd expect a better response from a brick wall.
Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2540
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Posted - 2015.09.27 04:32:29 -
[81] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one. Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament. In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note.
The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1487
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Posted - 2015.09.27 07:20:50 -
[82] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c The point Chribba makes is a prudent one. Only if you believe that history is lessened by the same prize being given out for the same tournament. In my case I believe this actually enhances EVE History, by making it more relevant and causing players to care more about the Tournament ships. They will still be wildly rare so any losses of them will be worthy of note. The only relevant question is Limited vs Special, and since CCP didn't specifically specify limited at the time in an official communication the default is always special, so CCP are not going 'against their word' in this matter, no matter what people might cry about.
It's almost as if you're making up :logic: to make it sound reasonable, almost... |
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
82
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Posted - 2015.09.27 13:28:34 -
[83] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk you have known CCP longer then any one, the people that made those claims no longer work at CCP, you know this. So trying to hold the new people accountable for promises made 10 years ago is a little silly, all it is a 3D model that was remade and almost never seen by anyone in the game. They have lots of content like this always thought it was a waste, let us buy everything no body cares about the history or fabric of Eve storylines these days, they need anything they can find to spark peoples interest, content never seen is content wasted. Also think about all the skins they can sell at least 4. :-) |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2015.09.27 14:52:07 -
[84] - Quote
It's still the same company , guarantees made by devs back then still bind them as far as I'm concerned, 12 years not 10 btw :) |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
497
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Posted - 2015.09.27 16:12:38 -
[85] - Quote
Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c
What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in.
All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs...
So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1488
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Posted - 2015.09.27 17:32:59 -
[86] - Quote
Mocam wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c What died long ago will be nothing like what they put in. All these ships have been revamped to hell and gone - targeting ranges, fittings, power grid, drones, weapons, lows, mids & highs... So it seems the only thing that is bothering people is the reuse of the name. So they simply rename it slightly and then these complaints can go away. Call it golden, silvered... whatever. It won't be the same ship config as before. Not with all the changes that have happened to ships.
If you don't seem to care, why would you want them back? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1601
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Posted - 2015.09.27 20:47:17 -
[87] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants.
Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.27 21:06:18 -
[88] - Quote
But to all of us demonstrated Navy Abaddon. Give him the winner. And here is we will not give. (Warning !, a bad gesture)
Rejoices in the Gold Magnate. Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1488
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Posted - 2015.09.27 21:39:23 -
[89] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants. Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists.
That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine.
You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.27 22:19:11 -
[90] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Chribba wrote:As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.
EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".
Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.
/c Very much agreed. CCP don't do this. Honestly I'm feeling the opposite here. The use of a historic and storied prize elevates this event from just another mini-alliance tournament with RP elements. Changing the prize for this reason cheapens the idea of this event and the way the empire should/would consistently reward participants. Realistically the way people felt regarding the 1st gold magnate won't be retroactively changed and in the eyes of most I'd bet history lends additional value to the return of it to the game, especially when done in this manner. Further, with that history alive the potential for it to be deepened actually exists. That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply: Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship? Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine. You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds.
It seems that we take at the time the CCP? Or maybe they just should not have to hurry? Yes, and do not touch the Empress. And just hold domestic championship in each state. Where would be able to participate, each RP player. For example at the Amarr, among the royal of families were the race. But is not present it was necessary to touched. Even Reward can not come up. They give junk. Jamyl R.I.P = EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
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Gregor Parud wrote:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
But it's not a new tournament. It is the same kind of tournament as the last one, with the same reward. |
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
But it's not a new tournament. It is the same kind of tournament as the last one, with the same reward.
That's right it's just the replay. And the new can not come up. That with the plot can not come up with that with the reward.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
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And you're all using logic a 5 year old would use to try and get that cookie. It's so obvious and hilarious, no one is falling for it. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:That's some fancy words you're trying to use there, let me give you a very basic reply:
Why would you agree to a reskinned old ship as a new prize to a new tournament rather than an actual new ship?
Because it saves CCP some time or is it because you're a not-have and more than anything else you, and everyone else in this thread, is so full of jealousy that you'd rather see something taken away from folks who DO have... or had, at any cost. I'm a not-have but at the same time I'm mature enough to realise that it being out of grasp is fine. Considering I don't have a single character that is even eligible for selection the prize is still well outside of my grasp. Given where I am now there is not nor was there ever anything I could have done to predict the return of this event or the prize. There was never anything in it for me personally. I knew this when I made that post.
Further there was never anything I could take from anyone else. I can't take the history of the original gold magnate. Nor will releasing a new one, which was the point.
As for the reason for the agreement, as stated, it's because it's a prize tied to the event. That makes sense logically. It's not about time saving (more time would have been saved by foregoing a rebalance) but about creating something of an in game consistency.
I get that others may value that differently or not at all.
Gregor Parud wrote:You're all hilariously jealous, like 5 year olds. That's some delicious irony considering your tone.
You claim maturity but at the first sign of disagreement go on a rant fueled by your own delusions of other peoples intent. Hilarious indeed. |
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again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".
There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".
There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie. We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened.
This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine alone.
So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"?
What even is this "cookie"? |
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Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are. |
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Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are.
How will it be a great addition? |
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:again, many fancy words but all we're hearing is "someone has something I can't have so lets try and make sure he can't have it either".
There is NO LOGIC whatsoever to reuse old special edition ships for a new tournament for the exact same reason that they make new prizes every tournament. Otherwise they could have used the exact same prizes every time but they didn't. You can type :words: all you want but it just makes you look more like a 5 year old that wants his cookie. We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened. This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine. So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"? What even is this "cookie"?
Nice try, but still just :words: |
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Gregor Parud wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are. How will it be a great addition?
My maniacal laughter will be so forceful it will reverberate through all fiber optic lines and manifest itself into everyone's eve clients |
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Divine Entervention wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Rerelease the gold magnate, it'll be a great addition to the game.
Look at how much content in the form of entitlement tears just mentioning it's release has generated.
CCP should make a youtube video of them laughing at all the crybabies squirting tears onto these forums just to highlight how unimportant their selfish opinions really are. How will it be a great addition? My maniacal laughter will be so forceful it will reverberate through all fiber optic lines and manifest itself into everyone's eve clients
Aha, so you're jealous.
Noted. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:Nice try, but still just :words: Well, yes, that's what text posts are, words. But those words mean things. Maybe try actually interpreting and responding to them? Or you can just continue the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting while ironically calling others 5 year olds.
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Quote:We've only had one prior instance of this tournament and don't have another NPC driven selection/competition to my knowledge. So effectively they DID use the same prizes for every time this happened.
Backwards logic so stupid it shouldn't need explaining, but hey you asked for it.
Quote:This event sets that precedent and that decision and the reasoning are CCP's not mine. Again backwards logic, you're trying to state that it's fine to use this old ship because there's a precedent, while it's... its own precedent.
Quote:So is the logic now that CCP themselves are collectively a "5 year old that wants his cookie"?
No but nice try for construing it that way.
Quote:What even is this "cookie"?
You wanting something that you can't have (currently), the ship. That is so obvious that it's hilarious you even have to ask.
Hence me not really replying to your :words: because they add nothing as there is no valid reasoning. Nothing but "lets try a barrage of **** and hope something sticks". |
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Grow up man babies.
You're arguing over someone else being able to dress their barbie doll up in the same dress as yours.
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Gregor Parud wrote:Again backwards logic, you're trying to state that it's fine to use this old ship because there's a precedent, while it's... its own precedent. No, I never said there was a precedent for reuse, I'm saying they decided to set one. They set one because they felt it reasonable for there to be a consistent prize for this event if CCP Falcon is to be believed.
Your statement was that since other tournaments had different prizes this one should to, my reasoning was that this event was clearly being viewed distinctly for others like the alliance tournament, which is clearly true.
Quote:No but nice try for construing it that way. Why not? If the logic is indicative of a certain goal, as your collective dismissal strongly insinuates, wouldn't everyone who uses that logic have the same goal? Even if not, why do differing parties get static assignments of intent and what criteria do you use to determine them?
Quote:You wanting something that you can't have (currently), the ship. That is so obvious that it's hilarious you even have to ask. Except I still have no chance of having it so this reasoning fails.
So aside from failings in your own understanding compounded by false assumptions, it sounds like you have no real issue to argue. |
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Quote:No, I never said there was a precedent for reuse, I'm saying they decided to set one. They set one because they felt it reasonable for there to be a consistent prize for this event if CCP Falcon is to be believed.
Your statement was that since other tournaments had different prizes this one should to, my reasoning was that this event was clearly being viewed distinctly for others like the alliance tournament, which is clearly true. where did they state to set one?
Quote: Why not? If the logic is indicative of a certain goal, as your collective dismissal strongly insinuates, wouldn't everyone who uses that logic have the same goal? Even if not, why do differing parties get static assignments of intent and what criteria do you use to determine them?
Again, nice try with :words: but it's not working. It's terrible this even needs explaining. The whiners in this thread want the ship, CCP doesn't want it, one of them just though it'd be ok to re use it. Difference.
Quote:Except I still have no chance of having it so this reasoning fails.
So aside from failings in your own understanding compounded by false assumptions, it sounds like you have no real issue to argue.
How does that change the obvious notion that said cookie is the ship?
Just say it, just be honest: "I want something that I currently can't have, and even if I can't really get it I think it'd be hilarious to introduce it anyway if only to fck over EVE's history and the people who had it once because I'm so jelly as hell. And I'll use any kind of :logic:, barrage of :words: and backwards reasoning to try and get it because I'm SO FRICKING JELLY!".
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
I agree. So when is CCP going to make the tourney ships available to everyone. After all, lets be done with all special snowflakes. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:where did they state to set one? By the declaration of the second events prizes, and more explicitly here
Quote:Again, nice try with :words: but it's not working. It's terrible this even needs explaining. The whiners in this thread want the ship, CCP doesn't want it, one of them just though it'd be ok to re use it. Difference. So basically there must be some sinister plot on behalf of any poster who thinks reuse is ok because only CCP internally could possibly think reuse is ok without an ulterior motive? Based on what?
Also, do you think it was a single person's decision? I'd lean towards it not being up to one person, but I don't really know.
And yes, again with words in a text post. That's what text posts are; it's not worthy of repeated note.
Quote:How does that change the obvious notion that said cookie is the ship?
Just say it, just be honest: "I want something that I currently can't have, and even if I can't really get it I think it'd be hilarious to introduce it anyway if only to fck over EVE's history and the people who had it once because I'm so jelly as hell. And I'll use any kind of :logic:, barrage of :words: and backwards reasoning to try and get it because I'm SO FRICKING JELLY!". It wouldn't be honest for me to say that. But I do get at this point that you very much seem incapable of fathoming that. I don't really care what others have beyond my reach, nor any appreciation or depreciation those items may have. I don't actually care about the tears that may be shed either way. I just stated an opinion, that it's ok as I think it enhances Eve's history rather than detracting.
So, yeah, the ship isn't the cookie because there is no cookie. Only a opinion that there's no issue in having. |
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Alright, lets make this really simple for you...
Given that, as you yourself stated, you will never own one why are you so invested in this subject and thread that you keep replying in it with the stance that you have? Why would you prefer the current idea over, say, a new/different ship or prize?
I know of only one reason, you're jelly, but I'm sure you can explain to us WHY you have the stance that you have. Oh and please, keep it to one paragraph because your attempt at misdirection through a waterfall of :words: doesn't really work nor get you anywhere, it's just time consuming. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:Alright, lets make this really simple for you...
Given that, as you yourself stated, you will never own one why are you so invested in this subject and thread that you keep replying in it with the stance that you have? Why would you prefer the current idea over, say, a new/different ship or prize?
I know of only one reason, you're jelly, but I'm sure you can explain to us WHY you have the stance that you have. Oh and please, keep it to one paragraph because your attempt at misdirection through a waterfall of :words: doesn't really work nor get you anywhere, it's just time consuming. This is the way I write, and I feel Ive been very direct to this point. Feel free to ignore the posts if it taxes or offends you in some way.
What I'm invested in at this point isn't the determination of the prize. That's already done. Even if it's not, a change won't draw any offense or objection as I have no concern as stated above. I simply see no issue with the current determination and stated as such. What I've found of interest and has actually kept me posting was your rather pointed response.
More specifically it was and is figuring out if this line of thinking had any reason to it and whether I actually stated anything deserving of it, or was just some self justifying condemnation attached to anyone of a differing opinion. That and defending my prior statements because that's a thing I do. |
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So just a lot of words and misdirection which culminate into "err none really. I'm just jelly".
See, that's just so much easier. |
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Gregor Parud wrote:So just a lot of words and misdirection which culminate into "err none really. I'm just jelly".
See, that's just so much easier. Yes, spouting BS is apparently very easy for you.
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Do we actually know anything yet, or is this all still based on one really interpretable tweet?
Oh yeah. All rumor-mongering crap.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Glathull wrote:Do we actually know anything yet, or is this all still based on one really interpretable tweet?
Oh yeah. All rumor-mongering crap. There is the blog detailing the prizes. |
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There's a podcast with Fozzie and Guard talking about it , not just a tweet. |
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So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Glathull wrote:So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem. I'm curious, where did you get that impression from the blog? |
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Glathull wrote:So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem. I'm curious, where did you get that impression from the blog?
I got it from the part where they said the attributes have been changed.
These have been rebalanced. They are not the same whined-about-Cee-U-Next-Tuesday ships that are causing so much butthurt. They are different ships with different attributes and similar names. Extremely similar names.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Glathull wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Glathull wrote:So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem. I'm curious, where did you get that impression from the blog? I got it from the part where they said the attributes have been changed. These have been rebalanced. They are not the same whined-about-Cee-U-Next-Tuesday ships that are causing so much butthurt. They are different ships with different attributes and similar names. Extremely similar names. Fascinating. I'm not sure where to begin. Maybe I need to check up on my reading comprehension, but:
They used the same name, not a similar one. Also how does one "rebalance" a ship that supposedly has never been in game? Or are you saying the old ones will get those stats and the new ones some other stats?
Relevant quote:
Quote:In anticipation of the Tournament, both the Gold and Silver Magnate have been rebalanced. Their stats are shown below, without taking into account pilot skills: |
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Also how does one "rebalance" a ship that supposedly has never been in game?
The original Gold Magnate was in the game. Then it got blowed up. |
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Also how does one "rebalance" a ship that supposedly has never been in game?
The original Gold Magnate was in the game. Then it got blowed up. According to the person I replied to the one being detailed in the blog is not and has not been in game.
Hence the question. |
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There was only ever one Gold Magnate, it was big news when it was asploded.
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Also how does one "rebalance" a ship that supposedly has never been in game?
The original Gold Magnate was in the game. Then it got blowed up. According to the person I replied to the one being detailed in the blog is not and has not been in game. Hence the question.
Right, that would be the new one with the new stats. |
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Right, that would be the new one with the new stats. It would actually make it the same item with new stats, as in the more relevant case of remaining silver magnates. There won't be old and new silver magnates, there will just be silver magnates with updates stats and more of them. |
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Glathull wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Glathull wrote:So it's a totally different ship. Based on that dev blog.
I fail to see the problem. I'm curious, where did you get that impression from the blog? I got it from the part where they said the attributes have been changed. These have been rebalanced. They are not the same whined-about-Cee-U-Next-Tuesday ships that are causing so much butthurt. They are different ships with different attributes and similar names. Extremely similar names.
If something is RE balanced and gets CHANGED stats then that proves that it's not new. And your "nono, the names are just ever so slightly the same" is hilarious. Your whole logic is hilarious, because it's terrible logic. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.
O no.. it might be unfair to some one... in eve... I hope they some day crash the unique's market as the tears will be glorious. I am sorry but i don't have any empathy for the trillionaires of eve. |
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Tappits wrote:O no.. it might be unfair to some one... in eve... I hope they some day crash the unique's market as the tears will be glorious. I am sorry but i don't have any empathy for the trillionaires of eve.
Why? What have we done?
Last i checked we are not dodging taxes etc. If anything it shows that we actually play the game and have a love for the game.
But yea, we are rich so screw us over?
Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks.
Same to you. Why are we a huge reason the game sucks? What have i done to make this game worse other than play it and make successfully make isk?
What has Chribba done to make this game suck? Or Entity? Or Bluemelon?
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Tappits wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim. O no.. it might be unfair to some one... in eve... I hope they some day crash the unique's market as the tears will be glorious. I am sorry but i don't have any empathy for the trillionaires of eve.
Sooo, you're jealous then. |
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TinkerHell wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Who cares what the entitled trillionaires of EvE think, they're huge reasons the game sucks. Same to you. Why are we a huge reason the game sucks? What have i done to make this game worse other than play it and make successfully make isk? What has Chribba done to make this game suck? Or Entity? Or Bluemelon? Please tell me. I've clearly made his path to scamming supers a bit harder
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TinkerHell wrote:If anything it shows that we actually play the game and have a love for the game.
But yea, we are rich so screw us over?
Why is putting more in the system screwing you over? If someone buys a Gǣlimited issue specialGǥ You paid what you deemed to be a reasonable price at the time to own that shipGǪ well sometimes the cost of things goes down as well as up. Yer so what you paid 200bill for something.. if someone can get it for 150 now it does not make yours worth 50 less unless the only resign you got it in the first place was to make money off it. You still get the use of the thing for as long as you like (which is forever as no one ever uses them)
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Tappits wrote:TinkerHell wrote:If anything it shows that we actually play the game and have a love for the game.
But yea, we are rich so screw us over? Why is putting more in the system screwing you over? If someone buys a Gǣlimited issue specialGǥ You paid what you deemed to be a reasonable price at the time to own that shipGǪ well sometimes the cost of things goes down as well as up. Yer so what you paid 200bill for something.. if someone can get it for 150 now it does not make yours worth 50 less unless the only resign you got it in the first place was to make money off it. You still get the use of the thing for as long as you like (which is forever as no one ever uses them)
I use AT ships all the time thanks. I wouild of used the silver magnate if it was actually any good as well.
The silver magnate was the rarest ship i could collect except the several trillion isk BS. I spent thousands of hours getting the isk together to get this ship, it was the pinnacle of my collection. One side of this game that i enjoy is collecting rare ships. That ship is no longer rare, i feel like i have wasted my time and could of just waited and bought one for 20b. How is that not screwing me over? There are 6 silver magnates i know about now. Which is being increasing to 98. Thats over 16 times as many of this 'rare' ship being added to the game.
How would all the titan owners like it if CCP decided to hand out 16,000-32,000 Titans to people for entering a tournament? Its the same thing in terms of devaluing their ship, on a lesser scale as it only screws over a few people this time. Which you are all happy about because you all hate the rich trillionaires for some unknown reason.
I can tell you for a fact i will no longer be investing into any rare ships anymore as i will never know if CCP will just add more into the game whenever they feel like it. I can predict market trends, i cant predict random storyline events giving out prizes.
Yes, it does make my silver magnate worth less. I will no longer be able to undock knowing that i cant replace the ship, if it dies ill just shrug and think well i can just replace that for 20b. So its value is 20b. |
Arec Bardwin
1869
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Posted - 2015.09.28 11:43:44 -
[133] - Quote
Traders risk losing huge amounts of isk all the time if CCP change the game in any way, why should they take special care for your investment? |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
178
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Posted - 2015.09.28 11:50:11 -
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TinkerHell wrote:I use AT ships all the time thanks. I wouild of used the silver magnate if it was actually any good as well.
The silver magnate was the rarest ship i could collect except the several trillion isk BS. I spent thousands of hours getting the isk together to get this ship, it was the pinnacle of my collection. One side of this game that i enjoy is collecting rare ships. That ship is no longer rare, i feel like i have wasted my time and could of just waited and bought one for 20b. How is that not screwing me over? There are 6 silver magnates i know about now. Which is being increasing to 98. Thats over 16 times as many of this 'rare' ship being added to the game.
How would all the titan owners like it if CCP decided to hand out 16,000-32,000 Titans to people for entering a tournament? Its the same thing in terms of devaluing their ship, on a lesser scale as it only screws over a few people this time. Which you are all happy about because you all hate the rich trillionaires for some unknown reason.
I can tell you for a fact i will no longer be investing into any rare ships anymore as i will never know if CCP will just add more into the game whenever they feel like it. I can predict market trends, i cant predict random storyline events giving out prizes.
Yes, it does make my silver magnate worth less. I will no longer be able to undock knowing that i cant replace the ship, if it dies ill just shrug and think well i can just replace that for 20b. So its value is 20b.
You could say the same thing as the people that got RevenantGÇÖs early on.. There now worth less than 1/3 what some of the early people paid for them. Does that devalue their time with them? Or is that the cost of having something GÇ£limitedGÇ¥ and been able to say GÇ£I was the first to get a killmail with oneGÇ¥ GÇ£I was the first to use them in a fleetGÇ¥ GÇ£I was the first to lose oneGÇ¥ GÇ£I have the oldest oneGÇ¥ If my titan suddenly cost half as much and thereGÇÖs 10x more of them than when I got it (there is more than 10x more of them now than when I got it) I would not be like o no I just lost X amount I would be like well I have had the use of X for Y years and I have had fun with it nbd. |
Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 12:43:48 -
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In principle, I agree its lazy. Surely its not that much of an effort/expense to introduce a new SKIN. Pink would be (unfortunately) popular, for example. Pink Magnate (especially with a Unicorn decal) would be the most desired and simultaneously reviled hull to ever have existed. Some might pay trillions or lose Titans en masse just so as to see this abomination wiped from the face of EVE.
On the otherhand, perhaps its deliberate, so as to deflate the latent wealth/assets of trillionaires, perhaps so they will spend it elsewhere rather than trading their expensive ship pixels amongst themselves in a kind of weird elite economic exchange.
Anyways, 99.9% of EVE doesnt give a ****.
For us, the tears alone are worth it. Sorry.
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Felo Maxun
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2015.09.28 12:50:36 -
[136] - Quote
Tappits wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:Traders risk losing huge amounts of isk all the time if CCP change the game in any way, why should they take special care for your investment? Pritty much this.
For some the problem is the isk, for the rest the issue is the history. There is no need to soil the history of these ships, the biggest strength of eve is that when its gone, its gone. If something is released on the pretense that that they are a unique collection, they they should stay that way. Players can remember them being destroyed (or returned to the state), they can aspire to own a piece of that history, some would even go balls to the wall and pvp with these ships. It doesn't matter so long as the history of the ships is written and preserved.
The cost of man hours to skin a different Amarrian frigate vs the loss of eve history and the disregard of the core principle of once its gone its gone .......
That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships!
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
184
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:03:15 -
[137] - Quote
Tappits wrote:You could say the same thing as the people that got RevenantGÇÖs early on.. There now worth less than 1/3 what some of the early people paid for them. Does that devalue their time with them? Or is that the cost of having something GÇ£limitedGÇ¥ and been able to say GÇ£I was the first to get a killmail with oneGÇ¥ GÇ£I was the first to use them in a fleetGÇ¥ GÇ£I was the first to lose oneGÇ¥ GÇ£I have the oldest oneGÇ¥ If my titan suddenly cost half as much and thereGÇÖs 10x more of them than when I got it (there is more than 10x more of them now than when I got it) I would not be like o no I just lost X amount I would be like well I have had the use of X for Y years and I have had fun with it nbd.
The difference being everyone knew clearly that there was going to be more Revenants added to the game as the bpc will always continue dropping. No one knew that the silver magnate was going to be added to the game again, especially as CCP has already stated they will not add them to the game, but are now doing so. These things add value to the ships. The people bought the Revenants at higher prices to be the first, i didnt buy the silver magnate at its price to be the first, i bought it for its rarity. Its rarity secured by the fact they said they would not release more.
Tappits wrote:That is fine... as there will be many more to take your place now the price will come down (prob not that much) to be an achievable goal for people just like it was for you. .
You dont think its price will come down much? I had an offer for 880b on my magnate, now i cant even get an offer of 100b. Its value will be around 20b if you look at the price of the ishukone scorps before they became skins.
Tappits wrote:Good for you, And maybe people will maybe use the new silver magnate's as they will not be stuck with 2003 stats anymore. you can thank CCP for making your useless ship useful again.
So i only need to lose 860b of value for CCP to buff a ship. That sounds like a great deal.
Arec Bardwin wrote:Traders risk losing huge amounts of isk all the time if CCP change the game in any way, why should they take special care for your investment?
Traders can predict and see market trends from dev blogs, test server etc. How was i meant to predict this? Something that they said they would not add to the game again. Something that is meant to be a part of the history of Eve.
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Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:07:46 -
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Felo Maxun wrote:That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships!
History is not something that can be lost.
What was and happened before, was and happened before. Nothing can change that, nor diminish that.
Even if people forget what happened, it still happened. Even though history may be presented subjectively in different ways, the historical facts remain indelible.
Re-issuing a ship, does not change that OP lost the only original.
Its recorded in the archives of EVE, even though that ship no longer exists, and long after OP/its owner also no longer exists.
That the ship would be re-issued, does not change that.
History is not lost, as long as there are those who remember it, and the records of what occured. Even if those are elements are lost, history remains a matter of fact, which has resulted in the present and informs the future. As such, it always remains with us, as who we are, where we came from, and who we will become.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1379
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:34:11 -
[139] - Quote
IIRC the original Gold Magnate was also a prize for winning the previous Amarr Championship. So makes sense to me.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2276
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:36:45 -
[140] - Quote
Felo Maxun wrote:Tappits wrote:Arec Bardwin wrote:Traders risk losing huge amounts of isk all the time if CCP change the game in any way, why should they take special care for your investment? Pritty much this. For some the problem is the isk, for the rest the issue is the history. There is no need to soil the history of these ships, the biggest strength of eve is that when its gone, its gone. If something is released on the pretense that that they are a unique collection, they they should stay that way. Players can remember them being destroyed (or returned to the state), they can aspire to own a piece of that history, some would even go balls to the wall and pvp with these ships. It doesn't matter so long as the history of the ships is written and preserved. The cost of man hours to skin a different Amarrian frigate vs the loss of eve history and the disregard of the core principle of once its gone its gone ....... That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships!
EVE does not lose any history with a re-releases of that ship. If anything, it gets more attached to it. A new tournament to get a new emperor in which the amarr empire will gift the winning participant with a ship issued specifically designed as a prize for such event. The deep history of EVE just keeps flowing.
The people who don't care still don't care,
The people for who the history is important gets a new chapter added to the story.
The people who invested in rare space pixels lose value on an investment just like it can happen with any investment in EVE. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2015.09.28 13:57:33 -
[141] - Quote
TinkerHell wrote: There are 6 silver magnates i know about now. Which is being increasing to 98. Thats over 16 times as many of this 'rare' ship being added to the game.
's actually 20 more silvers 4 more golds |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
184
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Posted - 2015.09.28 14:03:34 -
[142] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:TinkerHell wrote: There are 6 silver magnates i know about now. Which is being increasing to 98. Thats over 16 times as many of this 'rare' ship being added to the game. 's actually 20 more silvers 4 more golds
Are you sure?
"All pilots on teams selected as champions for their house other than the winning team will be given a Silver Magnate (this includes the team that loses in the finals)."
All Pilots. I read that as 6 Houses, 4 Teams each of 4 = 96 people - 4 Gold Magnates = 92. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2015.09.28 14:20:04 -
[143] - Quote
it's not even a good prize last time it was 3 silver 1 gold 4 impocs for winning team, 4 silvers + imparma per losing team
but hey might as well make the prizes crappy when you're already violating your guarantees, being lazy and unoriginal ( somehow I doubt this is what Seagull had in mind ) |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
184
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Posted - 2015.09.28 14:43:30 -
[144] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:it's not even a good prize last time it was 3 silver 1 gold 4 impocs for winning team, 4 silvers + imparma per losing team
but hey might as well make the prizes crappy when you're already violating your guarantees, being lazy and unoriginal ( somehow I doubt this is what Seagull had in mind )
See i wouldnt even be bothered if they just renamed the original with the date reward at the end. Then these new ones have the current date. Making them different ships. Also takes next to no effort. |
Faenir Antollare
The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn
414
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Posted - 2015.09.28 14:54:44 -
[145] - Quote
Kinda negates the "unique" out of it though, something that a great many feel should be cherished rather than disregarded and not just for the those that have over than the many voices of those of the have not's.
RiP BooBoo
26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014
My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:01:13 -
[146] - Quote
This thread has reminded me of a picture from many years ago, replace s**t with ship and it fits pretty nicely. So your exclusive toy is no longer exclusive? It was worth the price you paid for it or you wouldn't have bought it.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
184
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:08:58 -
[147] - Quote
Mr Mieyli wrote:It was worth the price you paid for it or you wouldn't have bought it.
Collectors tend to pay more for art when the artist is dead as there are no more pieces made. We were told there would be no more of these ships. So their value went up accordingly. If i was an art collector, Id be pretty pissed if i had a Van Gough and he came back from the dead to paint another 20 paintings. |
Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:13:02 -
[148] - Quote
TinkerHell wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:It was worth the price you paid for it or you wouldn't have bought it. Collectors tend to pay more for art when the artist is dead as there are no more pieces made. We were told there would be no more of these ships. So their value went up accordingly. If i was an art collector, Id be pretty pissed if i had a Van Gough and he came back from the dead to paint another 20 paintings.
Youd be pissed if Van Gogh came back from the dead?
Id be many things at such an occurance, but "pissed" would probably not be among them.
Furthermore, as a collector of his fine art, surely you would be overjoyed that he has ressurected and can now produce more of the artbwhich you so enjoy?
Oh wait. You mean as an INVESTMENT. Aaah, ok.
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
184
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:16:20 -
[149] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:TinkerHell wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:It was worth the price you paid for it or you wouldn't have bought it. Collectors tend to pay more for art when the artist is dead as there are no more pieces made. We were told there would be no more of these ships. So their value went up accordingly. If i was an art collector, Id be pretty pissed if i had a Van Gough and he came back from the dead to paint another 20 paintings. Youd be pissed if Van Gogh came back from the dead? Id be many things at such an occurance, but "pissed" would probably not be among them. Furthermore, as a collector of his fine art, surely you would be overjoyed that he has ressurected and can now produce more of the artbwhich you so enjoy? Oh wait. You mean as an INVESTMENT. Aaah, ok.
Hate to break it to you, but to some collectors the value of an item means more than the item itself and not for investment purposes. Things like rarity, limited edition matter.
He can come back from the dead, just not paint. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1493
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:17:21 -
[150] - Quote
I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. |
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Big Lynx
3968
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Posted - 2015.09.28 15:46:00 -
[151] - Quote
EvE is dismantling itself. |
Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 17:08:13 -
[152] - Quote
TinkerHell wrote:
Hate to break it to you, but to some collectors the value of an item means more than the item itself and not for investment purposes. Things like rarity, limited edition matter.
I see. No need to "hate to break it to me", btw. It didnt hurt me in any way shape or form.
In that case, this sort of collector who appreciates this kind of value should be glad, as they too can now own a golden magnate, as there were none left in existance at this time, as well as now aquire a limited edition silver magnate too if they did not have one before, or were unable to aquire one (or more of them).
Surely this is good news for them?
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Rutoo
Interstellar Renegades Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:17:16 -
[153] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships! History is not something that can be lost. What was and happened before, was and happened before. Nothing can change that, nor diminish that. Even if people forget what happened, it still happened. Even though history may be presented subjectively in different ways, the historical facts remain indelible. Re-issuing a ship, does not change that OP lost the only original. Its recorded in the archives of EVE, even though that ship no longer exists, and long after OP/its owner also no longer exists. That the ship would be re-issued, does not change that. History is not lost, as long as there are those who remember it, and the records of what occured. Even if those are elements are lost, history remains a matter of fact, which has resulted in the present and informs the future. As such, it always remains with us, as who we are, where we came from, and who we will become.
This history of the only Gold Magnate ever issued was lost in combat, will be lost. That's what the OP is talking about. That history, his history, is being destroyed on a whim because CCP is lazy and either doesn't want to create different rewards, or just got completely lazy with their storytelling and tried to re-hash old stories.
Lame. |
Rutoo
Interstellar Renegades Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:22:50 -
[154] - Quote
TinkerHell wrote:
You dont think its price will come down much? I had an offer for 880b on my magnate, now i cant even get an offer of 100b. Its value will be around 20b if you look at the price of the ishukone scorps before they became skins.
I had offers between 400b-500b for mine before the news came out. This is just unfathomable. Is CCP going to reimburse me for the lost value because of their laziness?
Now they come out with "Given that under "normal circumstances" the leader of the Amarr Empire can reign for >500 years, this might very well be the last Amarr Championship we ever see."
So the last Amarr Empire lasted 12 years. Congrats CCP. You could have come up with a better reason than this. But lets face it, Someone in the CCP offices has been trying to get this ship re-released for the last couple years. rumours of lotto rewards, and now this. Sad. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:30:21 -
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http://fav.me/d30n6cp It would be awesome gift. Moreover and for memory.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Salvos Rhoska
1528
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:32:33 -
[156] - Quote
Rutoo wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:That isn't an argument we should be having, preserve the history of eve ships! History is not something that can be lost. What was and happened before, was and happened before. Nothing can change that, nor diminish that. Even if people forget what happened, it still happened. Even though history may be presented subjectively in different ways, the historical facts remain indelible. Re-issuing a ship, does not change that OP lost the only original. Its recorded in the archives of EVE, even though that ship no longer exists, and long after OP/its owner also no longer exists. That the ship would be re-issued, does not change that. History is not lost, as long as there are those who remember it, and the records of what occured. Even if those are elements are lost, history remains a matter of fact, which has resulted in the present and informs the future. As such, it always remains with us, as who we are, where we came from, and who we will become. This history of the only Gold Magnate ever issued was lost in combat, will be lost. That's what the OP is talking about. That history, his history, is being destroyed on a whim because CCP is lazy and either doesn't want to create different rewards, or just got completely lazy with their storytelling and tried to re-hash old stories.
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
259
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:36:10 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 20:50:39 -
[158] - Quote
Vollhov wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner. Nothing about the past is being changed, thus there is no rewrite of history.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:06:09 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The history is not lost.
Read my post.
Yes, she is rewritten in the a rude manner. Nothing about the past is being changed, thus there is no rewrite of history. It's not the same for everybody.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:20:46 -
[160] - Quote
Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though.
I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial. |
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:28:58 -
[161] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though. I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial.
Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age? Have you read the Chronicle? Read hotels books and Chronicles. Then Kiss stories alliances capsuleer on the periphery. Combine them. And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys)
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Marsha Mallow
2561
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old.
It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh.
Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:49:18 -
[163] - Quote
Vollhov wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:It's not the same for everybody. It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though. I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial. Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age? Have you read the Chronicle? Read hotels books and Chronicles. Then Kiss stories alliances capsuleer on the periphery. Combine them. And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys) Read the chronicle, which to my recollection doesn't even mention the magnate, much less enshrine in any lore or history any inability to be reproduced by the empire. So in this combined story, is that something actually mentioned? Or does the rerelease actually not violate any lore or history?
If it's the latter, then all you've brought up is irrelevant, if the former, you have my concession. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 21:54:15 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old. It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh. Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.
Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Marsha Mallow
2563
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:06:12 -
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Vollhov wrote:Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress. She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet. RIP hoodies.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
260
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:12:24 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Vollhov wrote:Here are 2013. Where everything went. Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history. Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress. She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet. RIP hoodies. On this topic. Give the winners a new ship, not old. Which is how the memory of the Hayderan VII
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:14:12 -
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Vollhov wrote:Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers. Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon Since this was already in the History of EVE.
It was the succession after the death of Heideran. Why is the "wheel of samsara" I personally do not understand. Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014. So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates.
Hint: Someone with an employment history of over 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
261
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Posted - 2015.09.28 22:22:16 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Vollhov wrote:Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers. Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon Since this was already in the History of EVE.
It was the succession after the death of Heideran. Why is the "wheel of samsara" I personally do not understand. Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014. So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates. Hint: Someone with an employment history of 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters. No, I respect the old players. And sorry that have not played in 2003 in this wonderful game. And so many missed the
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Arec Bardwin
1869
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Posted - 2015.09.29 01:16:24 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. Yes. It's called entertainment
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
235
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Posted - 2015.09.29 01:25:05 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:EVE online, the game where nothing is ever safe, even "unique" status of items.
My "go-to" example for nothing in EvE being safe is the overview. The devs managed to gank a lot of people's overviews some months back. I never even left the station that particular day. They ganked my overview while I was in station.
Anyway, as for the point of this thread...
Everyone loves the next batch of new ships every time there's a tournament. The ships look cool, people fantasize about owning one, etc etc.
Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people. If I were CCP, I'd find another ship to gold-plate. Between the two options of A: please everyone, or B: **** off half of EvE, I know which one I'd elect to do. I'm not going to jump down their throats, demand or whine, or anything like that, but it seems to me that there's a huge inventory of ships in EvE, and there's way too much untapped potential to start going back to the old well already.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
646
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Posted - 2015.09.29 04:28:18 -
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Because you're bad |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1496
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Posted - 2015.09.29 05:16:54 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion. Yes. It's called entertainment
No it's mostly just this. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
178
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Posted - 2015.09.29 08:02:28 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people.
There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff. The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place. Like really. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
262
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:28:30 -
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Tappits wrote:Khan Wrenth wrote:Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people. There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff. The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place. Like really. here here will And because of 50 players, what for was to to touch LOR. No that would come up with something new. What would all were satisfied.
EVE R.I.P
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
532
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:47:24 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents.
The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable.
On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair.
Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov.
In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
262
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:54:58 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.
Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents. The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable. On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair. Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov. In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates.
I, too, believe in the CCP. What they can do is much everything better. But why they do not want. They can . And the possibilities they have.
It is a pity that one can not turn back the clock.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE"
Jamyl the Great
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
No love of the the project and imagination.
They can only cross out all.
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Dragorin
Quantum Link Company
3
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Posted - 2015.10.11 16:02:36 -
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My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
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Whelm
CRA Haven
0
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Posted - 2015.10.12 03:30:20 -
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Dragorin wrote:My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
Back in Feb?
I think the original claim was after every major update or something like that which never really happened. But don't quote me on that. |
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
133
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:28:39 -
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The original was given out as a prize and I think it is interesting that these will be given out as a prize for the same event. If it were for something like Somer I wouldn't agree with it but since it is for the Championship Trials trials I believe it is appropriate.
Also, I think they should give out a Pyrite Magnate to each main that is Amarr.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
133
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:35:23 -
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Dragorin wrote:My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
Seems like it was about 6 months ago. I'll see if I can find something.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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