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Dari Vire
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Posted - 2006.12.22 19:59:00 -
[61]
market pvp. 
public stations public markets standard buy/sell/undercut/resell marketing.
Don't like it? change your docking rights, otherwise get over it.
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:19:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Atius Tirawa
While 'Market PvP' has not been used, I belive IAC has stated on several instances that ISS was messing their market up and that this was the reason their relationship entered its curret phase of deterioration. Considering their *****ly relationship from before - I would assume that anything would have been seen as undermining IAC objectives - and messing up another alliances market is a very strong thing to do. If you have ever tried to create a market and market demand in eve, you will know that it takes a bit of work and a lot of time.
At this point though, I really don't see peace. I do see IAC being very brave against a very expensive set of hired guns (arsinal is correct probably) and they win a great deal of respect from me and a lot of people I know for sticking to their guns. No matter what, this show is going to be fun for anyone involved.
happy Hannukah and happy shooting.
Actually "market pvp" WAS cited, several times, by official IAC "diplomat" Kyalani Syi or whatever her name is.
If there's a lamer excuse for a war, I don't think we've heard it yet on Eve-O. You wanted to start the war, you started it, but all these pathetic excuses, completely lame justifications, and sad little whines about ISS fights -- well, IAC has lost a whole lot of respect.
In fact, it's all SO silly from IAC, that I have to think IAC has simply been played here. Exactly what are all those Guiding Hands guys doing around IAC anyway?
Now they're putting their eggs in the logoffski basket. Good luck with that. Couldn't be neighbors with ISS, so now they want to be AAA vassels, in their best-case scenario.
Well-played, IAC leadership. Well-played.
Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on.
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Apollyon X
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:22:00 -
[63]
All I know is that this is the most fun I've had in EVE since I started playing. Peace? There can be no peace...
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GO MaZ
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on.
 Yes, this is going to happen If 6000 people hammering on IAC couldnt make them give up, why would they do so now the numbers are decidedly more even? It seems ISS investors are coming out of the woodwork to post on the forums, I <3 Fridays \o/ 
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elchief
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:42:00 -
[65]
Altho on a personal level i agree completely with kiaeddz about the situation. But as a pilot of iac and a pvp`er i must also say our outposts arent everything! sure we loose them we loose a lot of isk and a home but isk can be remade and a new home can be found, Do you all think if you kill off iac`s territory you will kill the alliance? what will happen then is iss will never predict where our gangs will pop up none of your stations will be safe none of your haulers none and none of your players. We will have nothing to loose and will fight to the bitter end....
You may take our stations but you`ll never take OUR MANTRAIN!!!!!
sorry lol couldnt help it started ranting
anyhoo kia i agree with ya bud :)
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Royaldo
Old Farts
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:46:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Grimpak
all in all, one thing is sure:
Omeega won the thread
uhm? not in ascn anymore?
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matty01
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:49:00 -
[67]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on.
Yes, this is going to happen If 6000 people hammering on IAC couldnt make them give up, why would they do so now the numbers are decidedly more even? It seems ISS investors are coming out of the woodwork to post on the forums, I <3 Fridays \o/
today's been a good forum amusement day tbh
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:57:00 -
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iac dont want peace anyway, and if they did i doubt iss will accomidate them. its not like their plan is secret
"someone" who is allied with iac has offered to let iac take up residence in their 0.0. once mc/fix/lv are done and leave, ra,goon,iac,tau ceti?, and AAA will attack iss. ohnoes.
hope ya diddnt think it was a super secret plan or anything
bawk
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
House Of Troy
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:38:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: DeadProphet
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
ISS wanted to make this a station war.
We will finish it.
As I said earlier. Let's Dance.
YOU started it.
Please provide more details about this "market PvP". This thread is the first that the subject has been mentioned.
We started the standings. We feel they started it with market PVP and an unwillingness to work to solve their problems with we both aknowledged to be there. So... here we are.
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on.
Yes, this is going to happen If 6000 people hammering on IAC couldnt make them give up, why would they do so now the numbers are decidedly more even? It seems ISS investors are coming out of the woodwork to post on the forums, I <3 Fridays \o/
IAC didn't give up. They got beaten. Their invasion of ISS space was repelled in under two days.
Less than two weeks after IAC started this war, ButterDog -- ButterDog -- is having his glass of port and smoking a cigar in The Bottles....ISS Kopernicus. Elsewhere, IAC POS's crumbled as fast as MC dreads could get to them. Now, IAC's last, best hope is...the logoffskis? Yeah, they'll be much better neighbors than ISS.
If IAC persists in this kind of Alliance-level suicide, expect more of the same. Seriously, are there any grownups left over there to even talk to?
Make your deal and end this foolishness.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:57:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on.
Yes, this is going to happen If 6000 people hammering on IAC couldnt make them give up, why would they do so now the numbers are decidedly more even? It seems ISS investors are coming out of the woodwork to post on the forums, I <3 Fridays \o/
IAC didn't give up. They got beaten. Their invasion of ISS space was repelled in under two days.
Less than two weeks after IAC started this war, ButterDog -- ButterDog -- is having his glass of port and smoking a cigar in The Bottles....ISS Kopernicus. Elsewhere, IAC POS's crumbled as fast as MC dreads could get to them. Now, IAC's last, best hope is...the logoffskis? Yeah, they'll be much better neighbors than ISS.
If IAC persists in this kind of Alliance-level suicide, expect more of the same. Seriously, are there any grownups left over there to even talk to?
Make your deal and end this foolishness.
I respect your status as an ISS Station shareholder, and as such you have an interest in the war without participating it, but it's a good idea to check out what's happening. This is because right now, especially with the arrival of -A-, it's everyone's game, and the balance of forces has been really evening out.
Butter Dog can go get drunk on cheap brandy as much as he wants, the day I see him as an accurate indicator of in-game progress is the day I start listening to what Paris Hilton says.
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Toman Torax
Dark Blade Incorporated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
IAC didn't give up. They got beaten. Their invasion of ISS space was repelled in under two days.
Less than two weeks after IAC started this war, ButterDog -- ButterDog -- is having his glass of port and smoking a cigar in The Bottles....ISS Kopernicus. Elsewhere, IAC POS's crumbled as fast as MC dreads could get to them. Now, IAC's last, best hope is...the logoffskis? Yeah, they'll be much better neighbors than ISS.
If IAC persists in this kind of Alliance-level suicide, expect more of the same. Seriously, are there any grownups left over there to even talk to?
Make your deal and end this foolishness.
You are a troll of the lowest order.
Enough already.
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GO MaZ
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:07:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
IAC didn't give up. They got beaten. Their invasion of ISS space was repelled in under two days.
If IAC persists in this kind of Alliance-level suicide, expect more of the same. Seriously, are there any grownups left over there to even talk to?
Make your deal and end this foolishness.
Invasions start with poses, not gank squads. Does this mean that SoD have been invading ISS space for the best part of a year? Sure, they were put on the back foot when 5+ alliances decided to blob their closest outpost; name an alliance that WOULDNT.
As for MC / ISS attacking the other systems, I think you'll find all posses that were placed into reinforced have come out and been boosted back above 50% shields, leaving the systems secure.
Since LV (at least) has pulled back, the numbers are slightly fairer towards IAC now especially with their new allies.
Interesting how the pleas for a deal to be made come at the same time as it starts looking a little better for IAC 
As for -A-... they'd probably be much better neighbors than ISS ever were
As for alliance level suicide, this has been discussed before. The majority of IAC (as far as I know) stand behind the decisions of their leaders, and are having fun (should be having more of it now the numbers are better).
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:09:00 -
[74]
All this bull on the forums, this war is unproductive, for both parties, and they should end while they got the chance. This is gonna get so damn ugly otherwise.
Besides, I want profit from my shares. ;-) Not a war machine, cause egos got in the way.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:11:00 -
[75]
Quote:
Invasions start with poses, not gank squads
No invasions start with questions like "are you going to attack the POS's"
IAC's published response ....
"We cant rule that out"
Please at least keep up with the thread before you try to add anything as its such
a waste you looking this silly.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Butter Dog can go get drunk on cheap brandy as much as he wants, the day I see him as an accurate indicator of in-game progress is the day I start listening to what Paris Hilton says.
Can IAC please make forum posts for 1 day without a derogatory personal comment thrown in my direction? Do you think that might be possible?
You don't have to agree with what I say. I don't expect you to. Just don't lower yourself to the personal level. Ultimately you're just giving me attention I don't deserve, as I've said before I'm just an ISS foot soldier.
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Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Shinjuro
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:25:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: DeadProphet
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
ISS wanted to make this a station war.
We will finish it.
As I said earlier. Let's Dance.
YOU started it.
wrong char?
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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GO MaZ
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:28:00 -
[78]
Edited by: GO MaZ on 22/12/2006 22:29:54
Originally by: Press Officer
No invasions start with questions like "are you going to attack the POS's"
Why am I not surprised you managed to totally misread and misinterpret that?
What I was pointing out is, HAD IAC INVADED, there would've been ISS poses taken down into reinforced. No IAC poses were touched, REGARDLESS of what anyone in IAC said their intentions were.
If you think that having your systems camped for a couple of days on the trot is an invasion, you need a little more experience with eve alliance warfare
As for looking silly, I freely admit I dont care how silly I look (on my main, too), so, as has been said already 1000 times, grow some balls and take some responsibility for the posts you make.
Finally, raem's comment butter, I saw nothing personal in there. He simply said he doesnt agree with your opinion 
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Wicke
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:43:00 -
[79]
Can't we all just get along?
No sersiously. If you dont have something constructive to add to Eddz's post, please refrain from posting. There are 2 other threads full of smack that you can use to blow your load.
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 22:50:00 -
[80]
we will continue to hunt all parties within empire 
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Excesse
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:00:00 -
[81]
Personally I hope there's no ceasefire. ISS, their shareholders and friends need to have their capital fleet blob shoved down their throats, their assets thrown on an apocalyptic bonfire, and sent to lick their wounds in deepest darkest empire space.
But that's just me! :D Merry christmas everyone! xx
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Xander Magnus
Caldari
Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:10:00 -
[82]
Originally by: GO MaZ
What I was pointing out is, HAD IAC INVADED, there would've been ISS poses taken down into reinforced. No IAC poses were touched, REGARDLESS of what anyone in IAC said their intentions were.
You do realize that you have taken one of the many interpretations of invasion right? It doesn't have to be the right one, because there isn't one carved in stone. I for one think IAC DID invade, but that doesn't make the invasing unjustified though. The same goes for you DISREGARDING the intention stated by IAC since some of us do feel that it shouldn't be disregarded at all and is in fact a very serious mistake made by IAC diplomats.
But looking at this quote I think ISS made the right decision or else 'there would've been ISS poses taken down into reinforced.'.
Anyway, if you look at the arguments there can be said something for both sides. If you look at it from IAC point of view, most members probably really wanted some fun shooting and nothing else since they needed to vent some anger. In which case the POS attacks would look as an extreme response indeed. However, if you look at it from ISS point of view and you are fearing the future of your assests (which is understandable, I thought the same when I read the posts back then), the foundations of your whole alliance, POS attacks seem a reasonable response to stop the danger before it is too late.
Now might be the time to step back. Both sides have digged themselves in deep with their points of view and it will be very hard to get out of the hole and admit both sides might have value to their stories. But look at were it has gotten you, IAC is even forced to side with AAA to fight for it's survival (for which you can't really blame them).
Although I did feel for ISS, especially after reading some posts from IAC on these forums I do feel that one shouldn't blame the entire IAC for some of the less tactfull posts made here.
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Zuper Phrend
Caldari
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:15:00 -
[83]
Franz Josef bit off more than he chew.
You're all Bethmann-Hollweg and Helmuth von Moltke (Younger and Elder) wannabes.
ISS and IAC have been taken over by Hindenburgs and Ludendorffs.
One of you guys needs an Otto von Bismarck and Viscount Haldane... Maybe a Lord Curzon.
^^^Whoever understands my post gets a cookie^^^
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Megas Alkaia
Minmatar
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Actually "market pvp" WAS cited
Since no one has pointed this out:
Prices were and are consistently better at the IAC stations across the board on all products, modules, and ships. Availability was better too... so if there was any "market pvp" they were winning it.
Beleive me I shopped there all the time.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:23:00 -
[85]
I think this war and the development there is quite interesting, for me the most interesting thing going on in EVE currently.
I wonder, why a more or less neutral party that gets payed for that war, tries to talk IAC and ISS into a peace.
I wish all involved parties a lot of fun ! ... And hope to read some interesting news in the new year no matter how things develop.
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Frools
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 23:40:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Now, IAC's last, best hope is...the logoffskis? Yeah, they'll be much better neighbors than ISS.
least they're honest about it, same cant be said about ISS
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.12.23 00:12:00 -
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I think this war between ISS and IAC will be simmering for a long long time, and I believe it will become a proxy war between the superpowers.
ISS does not really have a choice, they came under attack, what did you expect them to do?
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.23 00:24:00 -
[88]
Edited by: James Snowscoran on 23/12/2006 00:24:44
Originally by: Cipher7
I think this war between ISS and IAC will be simmering for a long long time, and I believe it will become a proxy war between the superpowers.
ISS does not really have a choice, they came under attack, what did you expect them to do?
Well, I wouldn't call IAC a superpower, and probably not ISS either...I think ISS will prefer to fight the war with proxies, IAC have no real need of it though.
Will be interesting to see the mid- and long-term plans for the old IAC outposts.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.12.23 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher7 on 23/12/2006 00:31:58
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Well, I wouldn't call IAC a superpower, and probably not ISS either
I wasn't referring to IAC or ISS.
It seems to me the universe is fragmenting into power blocs, of which both ISS and IAC are a small part.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.23 00:32:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Butter Dog can go get drunk on cheap brandy as much as he wants, the day I see him as an accurate indicator of in-game progress is the day I start listening to what Paris Hilton says.
Can IAC please make forum posts for 1 day without a derogatory personal comment thrown in my direction? Do you think that might be possible?
You don't have to agree with what I say. I don't expect you to. Just don't lower yourself to the personal level. Ultimately you're just giving me attention I don't deserve, as I've said before I'm just an ISS foot soldier.
This is my first one.
Don't worry, it's out of my system now.
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