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Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.25 10:52:00 - [151] Please leave the general public out of your post from now on, you can't even find the decency to answer questions from one of them. Very immature to disregard my post like this simply because I form my own corp and live in EVE the way I want to. Makes me wonder if you simply don't know the answer..
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:03:00 - [152] Originally by: Xander Magnus Please leave the general public out of your post from now on, you can't even find the decency to answer questions from one of them. Very immature to disregard my post like this simply because I form my own corp and live in EVE the way I want to. Makes me wonder if you simply don't know the answer.. If you stopped claiming to represent the general public of EVE people might actually take your questions seriously... However 'til that happens I think most people think this of you - ____________ The Priory Killboard
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:08:00 - [153] Edited by: Xander Magnus on 25/12/2006 11:10:06 Edited by: Xander Magnus on 25/12/2006 11:09:18 Originally by: maGz Originally by: Xander Magnus Please leave the general public out of your post from now on, you can't even find the decency to answer questions from one of them. Very immature to disregard my post like this simply because I form my own corp and live in EVE the way I want to. Makes me wonder if you simply don't know the answer.. If you stopped claiming to represent the general public of EVE people might actually take your questions seriously... However 'til that happens I think most people think this of you - I already stated I'm just one of many, not much more I can do. Or could you maybe point us towards our spokesman? It's kind of easy to disregard every post with comments like this when there isn't one. edit: I'll just give it up, it's not me who looses credibility when you don't answer questions.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:16:00 - [154] Originally by: Xander Magnus Edited by: Xander Magnus on 25/12/2006 11:10:06 Edited by: Xander Magnus on 25/12/2006 11:09:18 Originally by: maGz Originally by: Xander Magnus Please leave the general public out of your post from now on, you can't even find the decency to answer questions from one of them. Very immature to disregard my post like this simply because I form my own corp and live in EVE the way I want to. Makes me wonder if you simply don't know the answer.. If you stopped claiming to represent the general public of EVE people might actually take your questions seriously... However 'til that happens I think most people think this of you - I already stated I'm just one of many, not much more I can do. Or could you maybe point us towards our spokesman? It's kind of easy to disregard every post with comments like this when there isn't one. edit: I'll just give it up, it's not me who looses credibility when you don't answer questions. Yeah plz give up. The fact that you can't even check what alliance I'm in suggests you have no clue at all. Thank you... ____________ The Priory Killboard
Shuriath Caldari Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:30:00 - [155] Originally by: Smoking Mirror Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Smoking Mirror Just cut your deal with ISS, give up F4 as the price of your foolish decisions, and move on. Yes, this is going to happen If 6000 people hammering on IAC couldnt make them give up, why would they do so now the numbers are decidedly more even? It seems ISS investors are coming out of the woodwork to post on the forums, I <3 Fridays \o/ IAC didn't give up. They got beaten. Their invasion of ISS space was repelled in under two days. Less than two weeks after IAC started this war, ButterDog -- *ButterDog* -- is having his glass of port and smoking a cigar in The Bottles....ISS Kopernicus. Elsewhere, IAC POS's crumbled as fast as MC dreads could get to them. Now, IAC's last, best hope is...the logoffskis? Yeah, they'll be much better neighbors than ISS. If IAC persists in this kind of Alliance-level suicide, expect more of the same. Seriously, are there any grownups left over there to even talk to? Make your deal and end this foolishness. HOLY CRAP, if this isnt the biggest load of horse **** iv ever read... first of all ISS didnt repel an iac invasion. IAC successfully camped ISS systems, ISS simply notched the fight up a level and moved into F4 with dreads and pos' and mercs. And if ISS can hire mercs to fight for them, why the hell can IAC not do the same to even the odds... ffs you think we will sit back and let an invasion force the size of which has never before been seen in eve? (I dont know the particulars of the AAA involvement) And IAC didnt give up no, we wont ever give up. and ffs why do i see so many ALTS posting flames at IAC, no guts to use your mains? P.S. before anyone else posts "IAC are crying" none of IAC have ever cried about the pos war, even as our pos' went into reinforced our members fought, it is true that IAC intended on a shooting was not a pos war, but the pos war doesnt bother us, all posts from IAC concerning the upgrading of the war to one of starbase assets have been "I told you so" , "see ISS are an agressive entity". the lame excuses have only been generated By ISS trying to justify their move on IAC assets. If everyone reacted in the same manner as ISS have from a few ambiguous quotes, eve would be alight with pos wars... imagine using every little ambiguous comment as an excuse to take stations, personally i think people would simply not talk in fear of invoking the wrath of some power hungry conglomerate with a dread fleet the size of FOO's pecker inm their pants. IMO stations are only threatened when a pos is put into reinforced, "iunno meybe" just doesnt cut the mustard as an excuse for a preemptive strike, and if thats the way eve is going to go as far as excuses goes, I would advise every Alliance leader, every CEO and even every Player corp memeber to keep your mouths shut cos you might just start the end of the universe. "Papilio Tempestae The quantumn weather butterfly... It flaps it's wings Meanwhile 2000 miles away freek storms cause road chaos." Terry Pratchet There is a fine line between pleasure and pain
Shuriath Caldari Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:50:00 - [156] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: Megas Alkaia Originally by: Smoking Mirror Actually "market pvp" WAS cited Since no one has pointed this out: Prices were and are consistently better at the IAC stations across the board on all products, modules, and ships. Availability was better too... so if there was any "market pvp" they were winning it. Beleive me I shopped there all the time. I believe some annoyances were over ISS people being *****s on our market. You know, 1m isk shuttles, mineral sell traps, etc. But don't take my word for it; I'm not "in the know" when it comes to our carebearing stuffs. I believe the market problems that are in question are: Price Gouging, this is where IAC build and sell items and ammo and ships on the market for a reasonable price, ISS members then BUY up all the stocks of a particular item and resell for a ludicrously high profit, then making IAC market look to expensive to potential customers, driving them over to ISS stations. some desperate or unknowing purchasers might just buy the items in IAC stations making the gougers a tidy profit. I only know this as I have been trying feverishly to develope a market system by which IAC members can purchase ammo at respectable prices. I also do NOT know that it was ISS members gouging the market in IAC space, howerver this is the kind of act that would intice a negative standing from one alliance to another. Yhis is simply my view and does not represent the opinions of my Corp Or alliance. Shuriath There is a fine line between pleasure and pain
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:59:00 - [157] Originally by: DHB FooFighter yes another thread about how you did not fail to accomplish your objective and that the other 2 outpost's were just "bonus's". hurry up and finish the contract so i can hire you to take the outpost back . It's called managing expectations and being true mercs. See, in the end we're not paid to care, we're paid to complete an objective. Although we enjoy PvP, we leave when the objectives have been met and there's no further objectives that have been paid for. We don't hold a grudge, we don't feel a need to engage your forces because you smack us on the forums. We don't hold a grudge, although we might hold a roadtrip as a training op. Last time you were able to focus all your forces on one system and our objectives were really clear. This time around, we spread the attention a bit and apparently managed to throw you off guard quite a bit with regard to our "true" intentions. It looks like the tactic paid off a bit, with F4R secured under ISS control we will see what the future brings. There's one thing that's contact in this all though: we go where the ISK leads us, I really honestly didn't care on which side of the conflict I would fight in this, as long as the pay is good and there's plenty of action. Actually, you would be surprised to hear how things could've gone if things would've been handled slightly differently. In the end, those that seek to hire us know how we operate. They know that unless we're paid, we don't neccesarily care. They know that if they give us clear objectives and a good amount of ISK they will see us do our absolute best to get their objectives met. They also know that as soon as the contract objectives are met, we're done with caring about their interests until Seleene's wallet flashes again. :) It might be hard to grasp, but when you sell your soul to ISK, you really do not take offense to some IAC FC calling you a spin doctor. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 12:40:00 - [158] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: DHB FooFighter yes another thread about how you did not fail to accomplish your objective and that the other 2 outpost's were just "bonus's". hurry up and finish the contract so i can hire you to take the outpost back . It's called managing expectations and being true mercs. I doubt FooFighter was aiming that at MC. We have nothing but respect for you guys. It was most likely aimed at ISS since we acknowledge MC's role is a hired hand who does not run the show. Unfortunately, neither is ISS. F4 is not a bargaining chip, its motivation. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 12:49:00 - [159] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: DHB FooFighter yes another thread about how you did not fail to accomplish your objective and that the other 2 outpost's were just "bonus's". hurry up and finish the contract so i can hire you to take the outpost back . It's called managing expectations and being true mercs. I doubt FooFighter was aiming that at MC. We have nothing but respect for you guys. It was most likely aimed at ISS since we acknowledge MC's role is a hired hand who does not run the show. Unfortunately, neither is ISS. F4 is not a bargaining chip, its motivation. Was definitly aimed at MC kay. But in a good natured sort of way. Shame tyrrax had to go and ruin my talks with the MC before we could get our contract against ISS finalized, oh well Theres always next time --------------------------------------------
Osor Addo Amarr Seventh Rank Systems	Posted - 2006.12.25 14:22:00 - [160] Edited by: Osor Addo on 25/12/2006 14:23:41 Heh why would you guys want peace talks to mess up this nice little war you have going ? Just getting interested from this neutral bystander's point of view Chaos is so much more interesting than NAPfests.

Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.25 14:33:00 - [161] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Was definitly aimed at MC kay. But in a good natured sort of way. Shame tyrrax had to go and ruin my talks with the MC before we could get our contract against ISS finalized, oh well Theres always next time You may have noticed that MC are currently busy. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
elchief	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:08:00 - [162] with a dread fleet the size of FOO's pecker inm their pants. .... so you meant there were no dreads :) sorry foo :P
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:35:00 - [163] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: DHB FooFighter Was definitly aimed at MC kay. But in a good natured sort of way. Shame tyrrax had to go and ruin my talks with the MC before we could get our contract against ISS finalized, oh well Theres always next time You may have noticed that MC are currently busy. --------------------------------------------
Khermine Baddenash Sehmy Trading	Posted - 2006.12.25 17:08:00 - [164] Hang on, just one minute there ... let me read that again ... Originally by: DHB FooFighter Shame tyrrax had to go and ruin my talks with the MC before we could get our contract against ISS finalized, oh well Theres always next time IAC wanted fleet battles. IAC accuse their opponent of unwarranted aggression for hiring the most potent mercenary capital fleet in EVE after IAC had defeated their opponent in space. OK. But why were IAC, who picked the start of the war, won the start of the war until MC were hired, in contract negotiations with that same massive capital fleet for some simple pew pew which they were winning? BUSTED!!! ROFL You guys down there are hilarious! Keep it up IAC and ISS. This is one of the best forum wars for a while.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 17:27:00 - [165] Originally by: Khermine Baddenash Hang on, just one minute there ... let me read that again ... Originally by: DHB FooFighter Shame tyrrax had to go and ruin my talks with the MC before we could get our contract against ISS finalized, oh well Theres always next time IAC wanted fleet battles. IAC accuse their opponent of unwarranted aggression for hiring the most potent mercenary capital fleet in EVE after IAC had defeated their opponent in space. OK. But why were IAC, who picked the start of the war, won the start of the war until MC were hired, in contract negotiations with that same massive capital fleet for some simple pew pew which they were winning? BUSTED!!! ROFL You guys down there are hilarious! Keep it up IAC and ISS. This is one of the best forum wars for a while. If you must know. My talks with MC consisted of me asking what it would take for the MC to stay away, most of us in IAC had heard the rumour of MC being on some sort of retainer with ISS and we did not want a massive blob fest that we know an MC contract owuld bring. Needless to say MC weren't so optimistic about the whole not shoosting thing, so i then gave them the option of attacking ISS assests in pure blind and cassini to keep them busy . Then ISS opened the money chest and I didn't hear from MC again until they started shoosting. --------------------------------------------
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 17:55:00 - [166] What do I have to do with any of it ;P Leave me out of your nefarious dealings with MC ;[ http://eve.klaki.net/
Kalmanaka The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.25 21:42:00 - [167] Quote: Price Gouging, this is where IAC build and sell items and ammo and ships on the market for a reasonable price, ISS members then BUY up all the stocks of a particular item and resell for a ludicrously high profit, then making IAC market look to expensive to potential customers, driving them over to ISS stations. some desperate or unknowing purchasers might just buy the items in IAC stations making the gougers a tidy profit. Price gouging is when someone owns all of something and marks it up to unreasonable levels. Since anyone can make ammo and modules, there could not be any price gouging. This only works if you stop making stuff and putting it on the market at reasonable prices. When someone buys your entire stock, make more and put it up. If they buy it again then make more and put it up. You will always have the lower price and your market opponent will end up with craploads of junk they paid way too much money for, leaving all the profits in your wallet since if they resell then they have to sell lower than they bought. If you are persistant then you can come out way ahead of whoever is trying to disrupt your market. I had someone do that to me with hybrid antimatter M ammo in empire. I was putting fairly large amounts up on sell orders and someone was buying it and putting it back up marked up. I started putting up ammo in much smaller amounts and my lower prices and checking the market regularly. Every time my ammo dissapeared, I put a little more up. This kept the market flooded with my lower priced orders and my opponent didn't get to sell much at all. Eventually they gave up. Persistance and patience is everything. For this reason, claiming that market fiddling was part of the reason for war just doesn't make any sense. If ISS did want to hurt your markets, they would flood it with really cheap stuff so all of your sales would dissapear. All accounts I've read claiming market pvp say this did not happen. All you had to do was be more persistant and patient than ISS and you could have easily won (assuming ISS was really behind some grand market manipulation scheme of course). The market is the game. Going to war because someone was playing the game the way it was designed to be played doesn't make any sense. Unless I'm missing something of course. Feel free to fill me in if I am.
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:30:00 - [168] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Last time you were able to focus all your forces on one system and our objectives were really clear. This time around, we spread the attention a bit and apparently managed to throw you off guard quite a bit with regard to our "true" intentions. Hardly. I was there when a gang of 60 MC showed up int Utopia and subsequently jumped into F4 along with a gang of 50 or so ISS from ZXIC. Within 15 minutes 3 POS' were anchored and several MC carriers had been jumped in. Within a day of that F4 POS's were being sieged. You hardly spread your forces, you simply hit F4 hard and fast, same tactic as last time, only you got ISS and later LV to help you in the siege, as well as the payment to stay until the job of removing all hostile POS' was completed. The only capital foray into the heart of JZV was in a limited siege of JBY, after which we managed to save all the POS' coming out of reinforced with the help of -A-. Had the strike force consisted of solely MC and ISS (and even FIX) I can say with some confidence that F4 could have been held. However, the addition of LV's Titan and extra dred support turned the tide and it became foolish to attempt to defend F4 with our current resources. The assault on F4 involved little except brute force in the end. Respect for the undertaking though. ---
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:41:00 - [169] Originally by: Linavin Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Last time you were able to focus all your forces on one system and our objectives were really clear. This time around, we spread the attention a bit and apparently managed to throw you off guard quite a bit with regard to our "true" intentions. Hardly. I was there when a gang of 60 MC showed up int Utopia and subsequently jumped into F4 along with a gang of 50 or so ISS from ZXIC. Within 15 minutes 3 POS' were anchored and several MC carriers had been jumped in. Within a day of that F4 POS's were being sieged. You hardly spread your forces, you simply hit F4 hard and fast, same tactic as last time, only you got ISS and later LV to help you in the siege, as well as the payment to stay until the job of removing all hostile POS' was completed. The only capital foray into the heart of JZV was in a limited siege of JBY, after which we managed to save all the POS' coming out of reinforced with the help of -A-. Had the strike force consisted of solely MC and ISS (and even FIX) I can say with some confidence that F4 could have been held. However, the addition of LV's Titan and extra dred support turned the tide and it became foolish to attempt to defend F4 with our current resources. The assault on F4 involved little except brute force in the end. Respect for the undertaking though. I think the biggest difference this time was having a POS inside F4, call it a beachhead if you wish. The biggest problem last time was getting inside the system, with the node crashes, lag etc. Any "would haves" "haven'ts" and "maybees" are academic though, but with a POS in system and the carrier support it allows, I'm pretty sure we would've done a lot better than last time. :) I think you underestimate the difference the numbers from AXE and CVA made last time to your cause. IAC are tough fighters, but I have no doubt we could've let you guys feel the hurt now that we were actually able to get inside the system without the node dying on jumpins. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2006.12.26 05:28:00 - [170] Any truth to the rumour that IAC stole an ISS dread that wandered outside a POS bubble?

Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.26 07:50:00 - [171] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Any truth to the rumour that IAC stole an ISS dread that wandered outside a POS bubble? Is is stealing when its outside a bubble and unmanned? For all I know it was santa clause paying into the IAC warchest and he just got wrong directions. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.26 08:11:00 - [172] Originally by: Linavin the addition of LV's Titan and extra dred support turned the tide Ens was only around for 50% of our POS attacks and there was not a single LV dread involved. LV's presence after thier first show of force was limited to Ens being around a bit, a few carriers and 20-30 LV support pilots who wanted a change of pace from shooting at RA. Once I get clear from these Christmas dinner things, I'll get to work on writing all this up properly. - Fight the Darkness!
Templer Relleg Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:12:00 - [173] The day that the war against ISS have ended with peace, is the day i leave IAC.
Great Infiltrator Amarr The Bothan Network	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:23:00 - [174] Originally by: Templer Relleg The day that the war against ISS have ended with peace, is the day i leave IAC. Your alliance will be gutted from the inside, so dont worry. No one wants IAC to be alive, except for the isk selling russians
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:38:00 - [175] Originally by: Templer Relleg The day that the war against ISS have ended with peace, is the day i leave IAC. Such a convincing reason to keep a war going that benefits nooone...
matty01 The Priory	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:43:00 - [176] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Linavin the addition of LV's Titan and extra dred support turned the tide Ens was only around for 50% of our POS attacks and there was not a single LV dread involved. LV's presence after thier first show of force was limited to Ens being around a bit, a few carriers and 20-30 LV support pilots who wanted a change of pace from shooting at RA. Once I get clear from these Christmas dinner things, I'll get to work on writing all this up properly. wrong, there were more than 100 LV support pilots there, i know because we fought 70 in Litom while that was going down...even chowdown remarked that he "could've brought his whole fleet, but wanted a good fight instead so he only brought 70." and don't forget the motherships/carriers __________________________ member of the "post with your main" commitee
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:53:00 - [177] Originally by: Gariuys Such a convincing reason to keep a war going that benefits nooone... It benefits everyone who enjoys the PVP. Do you have ISS shares by any chance? Lacks eve related content. Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) Lacks pretty pink text. MaZ ([email protected])
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.26 09:57:00 - [178] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Any truth to the rumour that IAC stole an ISS dread that wandered outside a POS bubble? Merry Christmas --------------------------------------------
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.26 10:56:00 - [179] Originally by: matty01 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Linavin the addition of LV's Titan and extra dred support turned the tide Ens was only around for 50% of our POS attacks and there was not a single LV dread involved. LV's presence after thier first show of force was limited to Ens being around a bit, a few carriers and 20-30 LV support pilots who wanted a change of pace from shooting at RA. Once I get clear from these Christmas dinner things, I'll get to work on writing all this up properly. wrong, there were more than 100 LV support pilots there, i know because we fought 70 in Litom while that was going down...even chowdown remarked that he "could've brought his whole fleet, but wanted a good fight instead so he only brought 70." and don't forget the motherships/carriers See the bold bit of my statement? That engagement you describe was last Sunday night. After that, LV's presence in the F4R area was greatly reduced. As for the Motherships and carriers, there were no LV Motherships that I know of active after the opening night. There might have been a couple LV carriers that stuck around, but the other 20-30 were all MC/ISS/FIX. Considering that everyone involved was using MC's TS, I think I've got a fair idea of who had what. - Fight the Darkness!
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.26 17:59:00 - [180] Originally by: Seleene Once I get clear from these Christmas dinner things, I'll get to work on writing all this up properly. Yay! ---



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