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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/12/2006 11:33:53
Edit: Quick disclosure.... only opinion below. Now get the fkin LAWYERS OF ME! :p
IAC
ISS
IAC dec ISS.
I am going to attempt to discuss this from how I see it, you dont agree, push the reply button, but lets try and keep it civil :(
IAC say they decced ISS with no real intention of taking stations.
I personally believe this. IAC thought they would have some shooty shooty, make a point about ISS not letting others base attaks from thier stations, and at the end of it, everything would be calm again.
ISS reacted hard. Bought MC in. Fix followed MC in as they are working with MC now.
Veto arrive.
KIA set up in Empire. (not ISS sponsored I might add)
LV come up to aid their "friends"
IAC get hunted. hunted hard. They are on a 1 way ticket to deadville.
ISS get carried away, LV get carried away, and everyone is smelling blood, and the fenzy and future is planned. IAC are to be killed.
That is the first mistake.
At that point ISS should of been looking to make peace, to end the war swiftly and with mercy. They chose to go for the jugular, probably goaded by LV.
MC are a non entity in this, people have speculated all sorts of stuff, but I can tell you for a fact, they were paid, and they have no perosnal interest in this war. ISS decision is how to deploy thier paid arm, but MC wont move unless the order is within the agreed payment terms.
So wether people choose to believe it or not, ISS n co are the driving force behind how the war has proceeded, not the mercs that are there.
So IAC ger desperate. AAA come in with an offer to save them. Only IAC and AAA know why, but none the less, AAA roll in, and everything changes.
ISS will not pay MC to committ Cap ships against a force that can kill them (believe you me, the prices are very different in those cases), so we have a stand off.....
F4R falls to ISS today.
What will happen next?
What should happen is IAC and ISS leadership should get together with immediate effect, and draw up a public peace treaty. ISS should hand back F4R, and things in that part of space should return to normal...ish
This war if taken any further will leave NO winners. IAC will be in the pockets of AAA, ISS will have to rely on its investors and freends. Pointless and to no benefit to either side.
What will actually happpen?..... I got a funny feeling that a few egos are gonna get in the way of peace, and this is going to explode into a war where the only losers are IAC and ISS. The winners will be those reaping the remnants of the carcasses that are left behind.
Bad bloood?? oh cmon, RA and LV is bad blood, SA and Fix is bad blood I'd even dare to say ASCN and BoB is bad blood, but IAC n ISS... all just playground British Bulldog tbh.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:32:00 -
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you didnt even mention SoD, for shame
Grimkill > He said . . .. I don't know why you wear a bra; you've got nothing to put in it. <br>She said .. . You wear pants don't you?
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Ethan Tomlinson
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:34:00 -
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good post edz
...damnit i wasn't first
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Irrilian
Originally by: Sun Zu
When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
I personally thought this was rather apt.
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:42:00 -
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Personally I hope the war continues.
I'd like to see...
MC lose their cap fleet to Goonswarm.
ISS eventually lose their stations, and in the aftermath, picking through the rubble, people pointing fingers and the ISS project is closed forever.
IAC win, and in the aftermath split up into several different alliances, which spend the next 6 months at each others throats, depleting resources.
LV and RA capital ship fleet to duke it out, and one single capital ship survives, which warps to a belt and gets popped by rats.
But I hope people have fun.
In all seriousness though KIAEddZ is being quite sensible about this.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 22/12/2006 11:49:46
I haven't read all your post i admit, but have just skimmed through it. (edit: had a chance to go through all of it now).
Simple question, had this been the other way around, do you really think IAC would consider negotiating with ISS once victory was in sight?
You do remember the 2nd Alliance championship tournament semi final don't you?
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zerospace
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:44:00 -
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heh, so iac and aaa already won, gj guys
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
ISS reacted hard. Bought MC in. Fix followed MC in as they are working with MC now.
ISS reacted as they should have tbh. IAC led ISS to believe they would attempt to take the stations. An enemy cant walk into your base if you cut off their legs 
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
From what i can tell though your chums just got their backside handed to them and now your pleading for ISS to come to the discussion table.
huh?
okies... step away from the keyboard....
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 22/12/2006 11:52:05
read your post and saw you were fighting IAC.
Chill eddz, im sure u can forgive me for assuming you were on IAC's side after your recent antics on here with regards LV and RA/GOON.
Merc or not, you come across too biased.
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: KIAEddZ
ISS reacted hard. Bought MC in. Fix followed MC in as they are working with MC now.
ISS reacted as they should have tbh. IAC led ISS to believe they would attempt to take the stations. An enemy cant walk into your base if you cut off their legs
How long will ISS last if they have to keep getting others to do the cutting?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:54:00 -
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rofl
Your opinion is incredibly out of touch with reality eddz
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:55:00 -
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Quote:
you didnt even mention SoD, for shame
No point .. why mention the forum warriors..
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 11:59:00 -
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ISS wanted to make this a station war.
We will finish it.
As I said earlier. Let's Dance.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:01:00 -
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Quote:
ISS wanted to make this a station war
No once again the IAC posts lack any truth ...
You "wouldn't" rule out a station war and then started crying when it started to hurt in F4
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RichThugster
Gallente
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer
Quote:
you didnt even mention SoD, for shame
No point .. why mention the forum warriors..
for once, i actually agree with you. SOD has had minimal DIRECT impact upon the war. we know we dont have the numbers to compete with LV/MC/FIX (ppl who can PVP) im pretty confident we could go near toe-to-toe with ISS, if we were at our peak time (dont believe me? ask LV who had a rumble with us last week)
All we have aimed to do is frustrate MC in-particular but also all of the ISS friends by not making it easy for them to travel. Yes this is camping gates, no its not fun, however its been reasonably effective.
However i agree with Eddz. a normal conflict you would expect something sorted out, since with AAA getting involved there is now a challenge to LV/MC/FIX and hence MC wont risk dreads/motherships/carriers unless their fees go right up, bearing in mind, in one good swoop AAA could kill 20 MC dreads (thats how many are regularly deployed) MCs fees will probably be at least enough to cover 10 dread losses, if not more.
So basically a stalemate ATM, although christmas could change it, if one side has a particularly inactive christmas day/boxing day, then the other could come thru with a strong force to push the balance. Will be interesting if not a little ghey
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer
Quote:
ISS wanted to make this a station war
No once again the IAC posts lack any truth ...
You "wouldn't" rule out a station war and then started crying when it started to hurt in F4
So you still dont follow the forum rulez? Still not banned? djee
"forum warriors" is something invented to diss people you cant beat with words & guns. So yeh, i guess we are forum warriors 
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blanked
Caldari
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:17:00 -
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Yegshamesh, i like.
Although it may not pan out like this, and to be honest it's unlikely, it does seem to be the best route from my opinion.
ISS understanding/mentality/conduct of this war is something that worries me. No corporation has the right, or should "destroy" another. War can be won without the destruction of your enemy. "It is better to take a state intact than destroy it," logically leading to the outcome that by making peace, ISS and IAC will find a better gain from the ceasment of engagements and the beginnings of peace talks.
2 cents down
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insanebe
Caldari
soni Corp
Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:30:00 -
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i want to see it continue and i wonder if the shareholders will let iss die just out of curiosity
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:32:00 -
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I honestly think that by escalating this war ISS in the long run might have signed their own deathwarrant. Eddz realising this and starting this thread probably won't change much in that regard.
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DeckardIRL
Gallente
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL
I was pleb in IAC at the time of the ISS doublecross. It hurt alot of us personally after what we had been thru.
I am happy to finally see an apology from Count TaSessine in regards of what happened. That will mean something to the line pilots. Its a shame that the apology has come late. There has always been an under current of ill feeling with regard to ISS after that within IAC.
As a result of the OP, I think its the Counts duty to unilaterally stop the current hostilities with IAC and withdraw the Mercs. I cannot believe that Count TaSessine and Tyrrax cannot come to an arrangement now. Reparations in the form of an Imperial Apoc might do the trick...
Deck
Apologies for quoting myself from this thread Letter to nsx from Count TaSessine
I agree totally with the OP. This war no-one wins... and ISS become a targetable alliance...
Deck
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Omeega on 22/12/2006 12:54:42
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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aimez
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: blanked
ISS and IAC will find a better gain from the ceasment of engagements and the beginnings of peace talks.
i disagree with that point
It is totaly true they would both have more isk in their pockets when at peace
but that is when you think only isk is a gain and leave the fun factor out off it
if you ask me there is a lot off funny stuff going on in that regions right now
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Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Silvestri on 22/12/2006 13:01:56
What's really funny is MC wanted us to hire them first....lol
And another thing to think about is the timing...people have to go to xmas parties and can't be on all the time. Or at least those who have a RL...since I'm working off of 2 and half hours sleep....I just don't think it can be solved diplomatically now....same way they could launch from Tycho and Marginis into F4...we can launch form G7 and JBY...and with SOD covering the litom pipe area....or whereever they hunt..hehe.
One thing I've noticed is lack of ppl and I think it's because of the holidays...wait until 2007....
yes I do think it starts turning into a stale mate or our side...
edit: nice post Eddz..
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: KIAEddZ
ISS reacted hard. Bought MC in. Fix followed MC in as they are working with MC now.
ISS reacted as they should have tbh. IAC led ISS to believe they would attempt to take the stations. An enemy cant walk into your base if you cut off their legs
Exactly. Though no official statement has been made yet (and this isn't one), I believe that the sole reason for us (ISS) taking the station in F4 is to disarm IAC of their logistical ability to base strike forces out of the outpost one jump from our own and use it as a platform from which to disrupt trade and possibly strike at our own outposts.
They were basing attack squads on us out of the outpost and rather than fighting the attack squads that were pretty much kicking our ass, we're taking the ability to easily launch those attacks away by taking the outpost. And it has worked, the threat will soon be neutralised.
They refused to give a straight negative answer the simple but very serious question of whether or not they would be attacking shareholder assets, which are our primary concern, even after being more than adequately informed of what that meant would happen. They were still repeating maybes even when the biggest capital fleet ever assembled to my knowledge was in their back yard.
But I think Eddz is being fairly wise here. Now would seem like a good marker point at which to stop and reassess the situation and begin some diplomatic talks.
For one thing, nobody wants to be in a huge war on Christmas. For another, the situation has changed drastically. ISS will soon be managing of one of IAC's outposts, something I wouldn't have believed would ever happen if you'd asked me a month ago.
I think a realistic diplomatic solution would be in IAC's best interests and anything that keeps the peace without putting ISS assets at risk is reasonable and is in ISS's best interests. We can persue this conflict to its logical conclusion but I don't think we really want that and I know IAC don't want it. A lot of time and isk will be poured into this conflict by a lot of people on both sides before it's over. We can afford to finish this and we have the support to do so but I don't really see a need to continue if a reasonable, amicable diplomatic solution can be found that benefits both of us. I know it's up to ISS to initiate that diplomatic contact, and I believe we will.
I don't know about you but I wasn't planning to spend Christmas day camping a stargate.
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Chronos VIII
Dark Blade Incorporated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:10:00 -
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Eddz,you should really become a preacher.....and btw.....unban me from ur ****** public channel 
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:17:00 -
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So IAC gets to
-set ISS to -10 for bogus reasons
-Invade ISS outpost systems with hundreds of pilots, and camp marginis and tycho
-Threaten our stations, multiple times, by leadership, both on the boards and in direct conversations
And all ISS is allowed to do is push IAC back to F4 and let them keep all the assets they JUST used to attack us in the first place, one jump away?
What kind of a plan is that? I'm sure ISS can be negotiated with; they've been trying to work with IAC all along, but IAC leadership got arrogant and stupid.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:33:00 -
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all in all, one thing is sure:
Omeega won the thread
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
all in all, one thing is sure:
Omeega won the thread
Agreed! I love those sigs.
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Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
all in all, one thing is sure:
Omeega won the thread
yip
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