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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13294	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:22:37 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone! We'd like to try out another way to gather specific feedback, and we're looking for your help! All four Tactical Destroyers have been out for a little while now and we're of course planning on making more adjustments to the class over the coming months. To help with this task we are planning to put together a focus group on T3Ds that will help provide feedback (especially subjective feedback) on the current state of these ships and on potential future changes. We will use this forum thread to accept applications from players who wish to participate in the focus group The decision on which players are invited to the focus group will be made by CCP This focus group will not receive any secret information, and therefore will not be required to sign any NDAs We plan on making the logs of the focus group chat public for everyone to view. Everyone can see what is being discussed, but only focus group members and CCP devs can actually talk When selecting focus group members, we will be looking for people who can demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively and provide reasoned and calm feedback. We also want the members to have significant experience flying the Tactical Destroyers and to have strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance The focus group will take place in a Slack team, so members will need to be able to use Slack We are hoping that using a focus group of this type will allow us to quickly and easily gather feedback from players who have a strong breadth and depth of experience with the ships. If this group goes well, similar formats might be used for other focus groups on other topics. Focus group members will not be forced to attend any meetings or to pass any minimum activity thresholds. People in any time zone are welcome. If you're interested in participating in this focus group, please post in this thread with an explanation of why you feel that you would make a valuable addition. We'll provide a list of members and details of how players can observe the chat logs before we start inviting people to the Slack team. Thanks! Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2060	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:32:50 - [2] - Quote This is a nice new direction. +1, Good idea. So long as the playters can behave!
SidtheKid100 R3d Fire 32	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:37:36 - [3] - Quote Hello, I would love to join a focus group around T3Ds. PvP is my primary activity in EVE and one thing I've noticed after returning to the game less than 3 months ago is how quickly T3Ds have proliferated across the cluster. I believe I have had extensive exposure to all 4 (flying 3 myself). Thanks for putting forward a new initiative for player feedback. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main.
Captain Cean Holy Cookie 38	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:39:35 - [4] - Quote i would be happy if i can give some Feedback. I am Active at FW for nearly 2 years now and have contact with T3D since the first day
Gorski Car 648	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:41:15 - [5] - Quote Guess I will have to apply then as well. I PvP and like to think I have strong knowlege of the game, fitting and t3ds specifically Collect this post
Mystical Might V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA 215	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:41:27 - [6] - Quote XX FC I Can't find the fleet in fleet finder, please invite. While I don't fly the ships (just as i refuse to fly the dramiel), I run into them pretty much all the time. Not sure what you were aiming for, but it's pushing cruisers and frigates out of the meta.
Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 916	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:47:39 - [7] - Quote I would like to apply for this since I have flown t3 dessies themselves in many scenarios and also have lots of experience with the game and balancing. Since I want to make eve a better place I would be a good fit for this group. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Minchurra Speaker for the Dead 23	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:49:12 - [8] - Quote I would like to join this discussion group. I regularly lead t3d fleets and would like to offer a fleet perspective to contrast all the elite solo pvp viewpoints.
Selto Black Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 3	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:59:41 - [9] - Quote To allow a pve voice into this discussion I would like to submit my application for the focus group. T3D are one of my primary income sources, in all classes of space from j-space sleeper sites, to hunting clone soldiers I low, anom running in null, to highsec ded's.
Ransu Asanari AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 361	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:08:22 - [10] - Quote I'd like to participate in this group. I've been giving constructive feedback on changes for a while now. I've flown mostly the Svipul and Jackdaw, but I've done theorycrafting on all four.
Jeff Oumis Anomalous Existence Low-Class 0	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:09:54 - [11] - Quote Hello, I would like to throw my name into the hat for the focus group. I have experience in solo and small gang PvP use of all T3D's mainly in W-space and FW-space. I also have extensive knowledge of T3D's capabilities for PvE in solo and small gang in (C1-4) W-space and low-sec, something I worry may be overlooked in a rebalance pass.
Mr Hyde113 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 185	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:19:13 - [12] - Quote I'd like to apply to participate in the focus group. I'd like to think I have strong pvp experience, specifically solo, flying against T3Ds, as well as general game knowledge relating to fittings and balance.
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Northern Coalition. 378	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:20:12 - [13] - Quote I would like to be part of the focus group. I have primarily used the t3 hulls as sniper platforms in fleets of all sizes (because brawlers have low life expectancy in big fleets). Zkillboard is still showing me as #4 top all-time confessor pilot (maybe the only one of the bunch with the most nullsec use out of the hull).
Ben Booley Stimulus Rote Kapelle 17	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:20:39 - [14] - Quote I'll throw my hat into the ring here. I've been smallgang PVPing for nearly a decade now, and have a good understanding of where the PVP meta is at and how T3ds fit into it.
Stridsflygplan Yjellio Circle-Of-Two 87	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:22:35 - [15] - Quote I would like to join the discussion to provide constructive feedback from my point of view. I fly in both low and null-sec with micro and small gangs where we interact with T3D's. There is a lot to talk about so can't wait to dig in!
Destoya Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 462	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:28:36 - [16] - Quote I'd like to be considered for participation in the focus group. I have extensive experience with PVPing in ships of every size including t3ds. As an alliance tournament team member who is deeply involved in the theorycrafting metagame I also feel that I have an excellent sense of the relative strengths of different fittings, tactics, and use cases for most ships in the game, especially including t3ds which were very important ships in this year's tournament. My tournament involvement also lends itself to working and communicating constructively with people who may hold different viewpoints, which I see as a very important trait to have for this focus group.
Hoodie Mafia Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 50	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:39:17 - [17] - Quote I would like to sign up for this I have been following everything around the T3Ds from the first anouncement of the Confessor. I have been intrigued ever since by these little bastards and I very much enjoy flying them in their many forms I have used the Confessor and the Svipul extensively in some of my pvp vids, and have made literally hundreds of different fits for them for ATXIII where you can see our team use them every game
Namamai GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 211	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:48:17 - [18] - Quote I'm down, despite the fact that I want to burn all T3Ds in a fire :) I'd really like to see T3Ds in a fleet context as well as solo play and small gang skirmishing.
Liam Inkuras AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 1605	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:54:23 - [19] - Quote Sign me up fam I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 739	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:57:53 - [20] - Quote I would be extremely interested in taking part in this focus group. I've been involved in pvp in eve for the past five years, and FW in both warzones for the past four. I am a member of one of the premier Jackdaw using corporations in Eve and have flown all 4 of the T3Ds extensively. Small ships and their uses in pvp, particularly FW are my greatest interest in eve, and their position in the meta is something I have an considerable interest in. looking forward to seeing how this plays out! She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Hans Bonderstadt Isogen 5 60	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:01:34 - [21] - Quote Applying for a position here I'm a small gang/solo PvP player who has been following/using T3d's since the confessor had been released, and to this day still PVP in them, and around them. captain of the uss ebic Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦S; pls removarino the kebabarino
Birgitta Dahl HodorHerpSquad 11	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:08:15 - [22] - Quote If you're interested in participating in this focus group, please post in this thread with an explanation of why you feel that you would make a valuable addition. I am part of the larger community of more casual gamers and I participate in nearly every aspect of the game [not sov at this time, I have had some bad experiences]. Recently coming from faction warfare where I personally think T3D's are a bit too over-powered when comparing to Assault Frigates. I have some ideas for quick and easy balance changes that should put t3ds more inline with t2 assault frigs.
Joffy Aulx-Gao Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 33	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:21:24 - [23] - Quote I flew and practicced alot in T3Ds during AT and i think i'll be a good addition to this focus Group.
Asher Elias GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:23:47 - [24] - Quote I'm interested, I've helped design Imperium t3d doctrines and FC'd small, mid, and large size fleets of them. I've also flown them solo and in small gang so I have experience in almost all forms of t3d combat.
Keskora Yaari POS Party 147	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:29:10 - [25] - Quote I would like to participate. I am the CEO of a large class-2 wormhole corp and we use T3 destroyers quite a bit for roaming through frig holes or in wolf-rayets. It is a ship that we recommend everyone in our corp train into since it is a rather quick train and can be easily purchased and transported into our home wormhole. As CEO and diplo, I am very involved in talking with my fellow wormholers and I feel I could offer valuable perspective and input to the focus group.
Rioghal Morgan Static-Noise Upholders 86	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:29:31 - [26] - Quote I would like to participate. I regularly FC small gangs as well as solo in WH and FW space so I've had a quite extensive exposure to the T3 dessies and how they've shaped the meta in both places. I also fly the Svipul and Hecate quite often myself.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1516	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:29:56 - [27] - Quote Hi CCP, I would like to be part of the focus group. I'm a full time PvPer, either solo or in NPSI fleets and considering myself an expert on (true) solo hunting with combat probes. You guess right, this requires a T3D. I have a solid knowledge about game mechanics and like to help newbies with their questions as well as to give feedback to planned features / changes. My agenda is to make sure T3Ds keep their versatility and unique capabilities as an accessible solo ship which can perform well even without an OGB. Best, Tipa. I'm my own NPC alt.
aria Yatolila SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra 42	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:32:21 - [28] - Quote i'd like to participate as i love to fly t3d dessy. I fly them since the release of the confessor in differents cases, solo, micro/small gang and sometime in more bigger fleet.
JOhnDrees Deep Axion Honorable Third Party 21	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:35:54 - [29] - Quote Hello, This sounds like a ton of fun and I would love to participate. I have experience with all 4 t3d like most of these fine capsuleers. I'd like to submit this video as evidence of my understanding of how these ships are currently being used in the game. https://youtu.be/j4-7kvxCEDM Thank you for your consideration. JohnDrees
William Rokov Better go yolo Yolo Brothers 76	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:42:48 - [30] - Quote I would like to be a part of focus group. I am solo pvp player, that mostly fly on cruisers, but got a lot of experience in fights against t3d, u can check it on my killboard. My posts about balance usually grounded on some logic, u can check example of it in this thread. If focus group i will be able to provide feedback from that part of game - true solo pvp, without any links or scouts, and how t3d changed it before huge nerf in summer and after that. No links, no imps, no scouts. True solo pvp pilot. Channel for russian users: PVP.solo
Ong Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 112	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:56:33 - [31] - Quote I personally don't have the time to get involved due to Uni work, however I would like to add this: Those that shout the loudest are not always right. Hope it goes well o/
Darius Caliente The Pinecone Squad 110	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:08:00 - [32] - Quote Hello, Please accept this post as a declaration of my interest to participate in the focus group. It would be easiest to start with the tactical destroyer stats on zkillboard for this character. You will see that i have died in and killed every T3D in the game on multiple occasions. I have used both typical fits and non-standard fits (purger svipul, ab hecate). My life in EVE is PvP and I have an interest in all aspects of it. I also feel that not all of the recent changes to ships and modules have been positive. I feel that a number of wrong turns have been made and would like to see EVE Online stay on course. I find that the forums are detrimental to realistic discussion and conversation due to the constant noise of trolls. Another form of communication, such as a limited access Slack instance, is a wonderful way to have valuable conversations without the background noise. Beyond my PvP life in EVE, I feel that a few things have prepared me for a situation like this: 1) My day job involves managing a team of researchers. I'm quite familiar with the notions of consensus and debate. I understand that it's not personal and it's simply business... this is an understanding that many members of these forums appear to lack. I'm also good at herding nerds and maintaining a sense of diplomacy. 2) I live and breathe pyfa. Not only do I spend my days theory crafting and messing around with fits -- most of which I will try at least once on TQ, regardless of how good or bad they are -- I also spend my days tweaking pyfa. I keep a working copy of pyfa where I modify ship stats and bonuses to see just how certain changes will affect the game. I often provide friends with modified copies of the pyfa client when changes are announced so that they can play with ship fittings ahead of time. I think this is a great opportunity and I'd love to come along for the ride. Thanks, Darius.
Chessur Mining Industry Exile Foundation Warlords of the Deep 606	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:16:52 - [33] - Quote I have flown many T3D's in solo / small gang / turny. I feel that I have a good grasp of PvP inside eve and could offer some thought provoking discussion. Please let me know if I can be of any help :)
Great Creator PPCORP 1	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:21:16 - [34] - Quote Hello - i`m wanna join to this focus group too :) \0/ i`m fly duo with my m8 usualy, but sometimes solo (espesialy when all around cry about prenerf swipul (to kill dat thing - easyyyy XD ) i think i know how to fight on/vs t3d in micro gang or solo fly on 3 of them (confy, svipul and jackdaw a little) wanna help you with my exp :)
Neg Negritas Deep In Structure 0	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:22:05 - [35] - Quote I would like to apply to this group to help with the balance of T3Ds, I have flown them a lot over the last few months and think that I am reasonable good in solo pvp and analysing the current meta. o7 Neg
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1124	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:35:55 - [36] - Quote I usually avoid flying overpowered bullshit due to my space bushido hipster code. because of the 25m hull cost, the 3km/s speed mode, the gatecamp immunity with the mode swapping, the endless turret overheating and just the massive increase in everything over a thrasher for only about double the cost of a basically free ship, I caved in and flew something overpowered for a while. apologising to all my opponents, and just being seen in the svipul, it got too embarassing after a while so I stopped. I find it kind of funny that all the instalocking svipul cancer camps around the place, the solution to them is to fly a svipul. anyway I'm ok with jackdaws and hecates I guess, except the agility nonsense they can pull just like the others.
BrainStraw Mining Industry Exile Foundation Warlords of the Deep 0	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:38:27 - [37] - Quote I would like to participate in this focus group. I have been doing small gang for a long time and have very broad game knowledge, and I fly the Svipul and Confessor the most out of the 4, and these 2 in my opinion are the most unbalanced of them all. I would love to give some feedback as I want EVE to be a healthy and prosperous game, and I want to see some variety in ship choices as the game progresses.
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:57:37 - [38] - Quote https://zkillboard.com/kill/49278481/ Still overpowered....
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1774	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:08:17 - [39] - Quote I'll throw my hat in the ring. I can fly all four Tactical Destroyers on four different characters. I particularly love small-gang brawling in them, especially in my hull-tanked Hecate or dual-repped Confessor. I also love the tactical options presented by the ability to fit the expanded probe launcher. I've gained quite a few kills from utilizing this aspect of the ship, whether in small gang or solo. Quite apart from my in game experience with them, I think I have demonstrated an ability to communicate calmly, clearly, and politely throughout these forums. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Danmal Proioxis Assault Force Exodus. 27	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:17:53 - [40] - Quote This is much needed, and I am glad to see the high caliber of chaps who apply for this group. Please make sure to include some of the vehement critics of this ship class, not just its fans, in your focus group (as long as they promise to be constructive). There are many who call some ships cancer but turn out to be the greatest fans and have a whole hangar full of cancers. Please make also sure that T3D's largely meta-breaking relationship with some other ship classes (like the sadly neglected Assault Frigates) receives ample discussion. Only looking at the ships themselves, I see the following patterns: 1. They are over-tanked in defense mode, in particular when active tanked. This has mostly to do with the size of the resist bonus. Reducing the resist bonus could be compensated for by better shield/armor HP if passive/buffer variants should be preserved. 2. They are too mobile in speed mode (both in terms of speed and align). In addition, the acceleration/insta-warp trick using mode-switching probably should not work, as somebody pointed out earlier. 3. The scan res bonus in sharpshooter mode is overpowered, whereas I find the other bonuses in that mode ok. 4. They essentially force no fitting tradeoffs when it comes to CPU (whereas they do to some extent for powergrid). 5. I do not think that they are too high DPS compared to other ships of that class. 6. I think that they have one great characteristic, which is, they are within arm's reach of the newbro compared to many other classes and provide the flexibility to do most everything that's interesting using just one ship. You might find this undesirable, but for the youngins these are great ships to look forward to. All that said, what is probably more important is to consider carefully their supposed role in EVE and their relationship to other ship classes.
Feodor Romanov Blitzkrieg Federation NEOS FLEET 20	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:51:00 - [41] - Quote Smells like T3D nerf team is forming... Common guys, do you really want to end T3D era so quickly?! Last year was like Manna from Heaven to low sec solo and small gang PVPers. When team will be formed, please, be polite, don't go to any compromises with your opponents in T3D discussion. Let us have more shiny months!
Stitch Kaneland Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 573	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:55:05 - [42] - Quote Increase svipul sig or reduce speed and remove/nerf/reevaluate OGB. Fixes all the T3Ds and many other broken scenarios. I have killed a lot of T3Ds and for the most part theyre all balanced except the svipul. Confessor = cap dependent, hit it with neuts and it dies Hecate = slow, cap dependent, biggish sig Jackdaw = slow, big sig Svipul = fast, small sig, scales incredibly well with links/implants, capless guns, 10mn fits with absurd active tank.. there is really not much weakness there. Unless you hit it with medium neuts. Svipul cant have best of both worlds of low sig and high speed. I think the better route is increasing sig on it and a minor speed nerf. Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
Tim Nering R3d Fire 138	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:06:00 - [43] - Quote i would like to take part. i love that this is over slack. i think t3ds need a lot of help in regard to their tradeoffs. making the swap more meaningful and needed to pilot these ships effectively.
Virion Stoneshard Death By Design Did he say Jump 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:11:33 - [44] - Quote Well, that's good news! As much as I am a fan of the T3D's with their versatility and tactical choices, I do feel that they aren't quite where they should be. I would very much like to offer my thoughts to the focus group. I am very fond of EFT warrioring, and have a solid understanding of the mechanics and math behind fittings. Not only that, but I have spent quite a large time in EVE in pvp, theorycrafting T3D fits for corporations, or for solo pvp. To give an example, an excerpt from when i proposed a golem fit for our incursion community: http://prntscr.com/8mo51z Hope I can provide helpful thoughts :)
Winter Archipelago Autumn Industrial Enterprises 410	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:13:44 - [45] - Quote I'm not looking to apply, but I do want to voice my support for the initiative. I hope this works out well, and that we'll see more of these in the future for other areas of gameplay! Planning a trip to Thera? Check out http://eve-scout.com/ for a list of the current connections. Once you've made your choice, join the *EvE-Scout* channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
big miker Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops 345	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:39:36 - [46] - Quote WTB Battleship focus group Latest video: Ferocious 6.0 Nano battleships / maruaders
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1199	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:48:18 - [47] - Quote im still surprised they released these after Fozzie saying they wouldn't release any T3's or even pirate bc's until they had fixed T3 cruisers.. a broken promise .. they still haven't fixed T3 cruisers yet.. and then they go and release these OP behemoths of the small ship world and obsolete everything around them that even vaguely do the same thing as them .. the hecate's ability too out dps most cruisers is so far past the line the line is now a dot too them. T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
rhiload Feron-drake TURN LEFT The Camel Empire 48	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:56:05 - [48] - Quote hi! i would like to apply to the t3d focus group. i fly many t3d's in small gang pvp.
Avery Lewis Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 1	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:58:25 - [49] - Quote I'll throw my hat in the focus group application ring. I've flown Svipuls far more than any other ship in EVE, and have tried the other 3 T3Ds as well.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Black Hydra Consortium. 2024	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:03:10 - [50] - Quote I'd love to be part of this. I've mainly flown the svipul in High, FW and both NPC and sov null. I've used it in both brawling, kiting, and utility (for FC-ing anti-ganking fleets) cofigurations. I've also flown the confessor a bit, though not in compositions that it shines in. I consider myself a pro at not remembering to swap to defensive mode when scrammed. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 460	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:05:12 - [51] - Quote Given how squarely T3Ds have dumped on AFs shouldn't they really be looked at together? Travelling at the speed of love.
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 292	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:15:10 - [52] - Quote I am of the opinion that the T3 Destroyers should certainly be better than T2 Frigates - but not better than T2 Cruisers. In general I've always seen the Destroyer as a frigate killer, so the T3 version being able to take on T2 AFs should be kept in mind. In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T3 should be able to defeat the AF. In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T2 Cruiser should pummel the T3 Destroyer. That is my opinion. The question is: what was CCP's expectation for T3 Destroyer performance - especially in relation to the performance against other ships?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12158	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:31:07 - [53] - Quote Chiming in to say I'm impressed with this concept, I'm curious as to how well this will work. I'm not looking to participate in this one but I'm hopeful for other aspects of the game getting this treatment. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Callduron Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids 628	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:45:38 - [54] - Quote Chessur wrote: I have flown many T3D's in solo / small gang / turny. I feel that I have a good grasp of PvP inside eve and could offer some thought provoking discussion. Please let me know if I can be of any help :) If you're appointed Chessur how will you dress up to ensure the correct tactical ambiance? I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/ I post on reddit as /u/callduron.
Alek Row Silent Step 53	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:23:35 - [55] - Quote Interesting decision, please don't stop after t3d, it seems almost all ship classes and a few weapon systems could use a "focus group". Best of luck to all involved, hope you all do a good job :) Svipul, If it is op, then sure nerf it, just don't over do it please. It seems people wants to nerf svipul speed, I personally never liked the fact that svipul base speed is less than the confessor, could you please undo that, even if you nerf mass/mwd speed? Also, aren't links the major issue in all of this?
Lucas Quaan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 115	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:35:46 - [56] - Quote Destoya wrote: My tournament involvement also lends itself to working and communicating constructively with people who may hold different viewpoints, which I see as a very important trait to have for this focus group. I see what you did there... :)
Fintarue Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops 10	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:01:26 - [57] - Quote Howdy! Submitting my formal application to be part of this focus group. I like to think that I have quite a bit of PvP and PvE experience flying the t3d. I've flown the ship in a variety of settings, including large fleet, small gang and solo pew pew (elite try hard and not try hard). Communication is part of my line of work, both streaming on twitch.tv on the High Drag podcast, and as a counselor. I can easily move to use slack. This is a subject I've spent numerous hours discussing and brainstorming about on how to balance them, as I absolutely love these ships and feel as if I understand them in and out. Fin~ Host of http://www.twitch.tv/fintarue Bringing you the best tunes for the trip to a new clone!
Fugue Crow Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary 10	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:11:33 - [58] - Quote Submitting my application to the focus group. Though I've only flown Svipuls personally, i've flown them extensively and FCed large combined arms fleets with Test and Black Squad. I'm also really starting to get a feel for how much they're dominating the warzone with my recent move to faction warfare. I also used to do game development, notably in rules and asset management, so I have a pretty decent background for it.
Sanders Schmittlaub New Jovian Exploration Department A Band Apart. 9	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:22:56 - [59] - Quote As someone who has both flown two of the four in both PvE and PvP (and killed a few too) and having actually built several hundred of them, I feel that I would be a benefit to the roundtable on the subject due to my involvement in T3Ds from birth to death (as it were). Therefore I would like to formally apply to the focus group.
Suitonia Aliastra Gallente Federation 649	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:23:29 - [60] - Quote I would like to apply to this focus group. I spend almost all my time in eve in PvP environments, and I'm especially knowledgeable when it comes to smaller ship classes like the Tactical Destroyers and Frigates, I would rate my knowledge of the small gang and solo meta as exceptional, and produce some very popular videos discussing the advantages/disadvantages of different ships in a class such as this Combat Interceptor Overview Video. I have flown the Svipul and Hecate quite recently, I also piloted the Confessor in the alliance Tournament, as well as spent a large amount of time practising and training in the Svipul and Confessor on singularity for the alliance tournament, so have a lot of experience in a small gang and solo setting with them all. I have also taken part in many balance discussions on the tweetfleet slack, and here on the features and ideas forum, and would like to think of myself as a rationale person when it comes to such discussions. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40402	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:50:45 - [61] - Quote I wish to nominate for a position on the focus group and provide the following support for my application. Communicate Effectively: 6098 posts currently in the forums and comfortable working in a text based environment for communication Active on /r/eve, twitter, tweetfleet slack, Likes and Get Likes slack, End of Life Alliance slack and here at Eve-O on a daily basis Member of a number of existing Slack, Confluence and Sharepoint groups for collaboration purposes RL: Leader of 12 international staff collaborating across locations in Australia, Europe, Asia and North America Provide reasoned and calm feedback Here on the forum I have a long history of providing evidence based comment rather than wild speculation -- recent example 1 -- recent example 2 -- recent example 3 I generally avoid emotional responses myself, but recognise that people become heavily invested in what they do and can be emotional at times. I don't see other people's strong views or emotions as a threat or become upset when people disagree with my opinions While I have my views and can express them with reason, I am very open to adjusting them when others make solid and reasonable counter points or corrections. I have a strong view that effective collaboration involves respecting others, an open mind, patience, flexibility and shared interests. Significant experience flying T3D As a lowsec/nullsec small gang and solo pvper, I have actively pvp'd with and against T3D since their initial release Have fought against T3Ds in hulls including T1 frigates, Assault Frigates, Faction Frigates, Interceptors, Electronic Attack Frigates, T1 Destroyers, T3D, T1 Cruisers, Faction Cruisers, T2 Cruisers and Battleships Small gang FC in lowsec and nullsec and have FC'd T3D doctrines as well as fought against them in fleets Use T3D with and without links support daily (see Lesovyk Mara eveboard below for evidence of links capabilities) Strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance End of Life theory crafter for AT XIII (top 16 placing) Play daily across 3 accounts involving pvp, industry, hauling, anomoly ratting, exploration, PI and market trading -- Scipio Artelius -- Violet Crumble -- Lesovyk Mara (pw: q1w2e3r4) Actively involved in pvp in lowsec, nullsec and wormhole operations As a theory crafter, FC and doctrine setter for Corp and Alliance, I am involved daily in leading and creating content for others, evaluating and providing advice on fittings, providing advice on strategies and tactics for pvp to other members and in evaluating ship balance in deciding on official doctrines I firmly believe that I am the right person for a spot on this first focus group and if selected, will apply my RL skills in collaboration, communication, providing evidence-based input and knowledge of Eve to help the group to be an effective resource for CCP. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:30:28 - [62] - Quote Been looking for a reason to recommend denying focus group membership to gewns. Found this: Namamai wrote: I'm down, despite the fact that I want to burn all T3Ds in a fire :)
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 664	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:32:26 - [63] - Quote So why introduce a focus group now? GåÉ not an unreasonable question. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
JevinsCherries Akiga Schneckt 0	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:53:36 - [64] - Quote I'd like to throw my hat in the ring as well for this group. I FC for a corp of relatively new PvPers in Gallente FW and we regularly field T3Ds and ships of comparable size/cost. I've had experience working with all 4 T3Ds in solo and small gangs in a variety of fittings. I have been flying as a solo pilot in lowsec for about 2 years now and have witnessed metagame shifts first hand as many have. As many solo pilots, I face outnumbered and outgunned fights every day and I absolutely love finding ways to beat the meta without joining it. In regards to the T3D discussion, I recently began flying T1 battlecruisers solo as they sit at a comparable price point to the T3Ds and are extremely effective in countering the strengths of the T3Ds. I have seen the impact of these ships on the new player experience and their dominating effect against new players looking to move past T1 frigates and make their way into Small Plexing. These ships are dominating the current meta and have had suffocating results inside of Small Complexes. I would love to be able to bring my viewpoint of the subject to the table in a rational, intelligent discussion with some of EvE's best and brightest to help this silly space game we play grow and flourish. I have access to Slack for the discussion and would very much like to take part. Fly Dangerous o7
Neesa Corrinne Binary Systems Industries 84	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:06:13 - [65] - Quote Petrified wrote: I am of the opinion that the T3 Destroyers should certainly be better than T2 Frigates - but not better than T2 Cruisers. In general I've always seen the Destroyer as a frigate killer, so the T3 version being able to take on T2 AFs should be kept in mind. In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T3 should be able to defeat the AF. In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T2 Cruiser should pummel the T3 Destroyer. That is my opinion. The question is: what was CCP's expectation for T3 Destroyer performance - especially in relation to the performance against other ships? I feel almost as if CCP's impetus for new ships in the game is "This would be cool!", except that many times "cool" doesn't fill any ship requirement that hasn't already been filled. Sure, T3D's are cool. They transform from tank to DPS monster to nimble acrobat with only a few short seconds of downtime between modes. The problem with T3's, both cruisers and destroyers, is that they completely invalidate most other ships in their range and class. Only the highly specialized ships such as EAF's and interceptors remain useful to anyone with a bulging wallet. With T3 Cruisers even that isn't the case as I'd rather have a web Loki or a neuting Legion over a Rapier or Curse any day. The objective of the balancing passes with both the T3D's and T3 cruisers should be to give them a niche where they perform well without relegating all other ships in their class to poorbads. Not sure how to do that with the cruisers since we've made them highly configurable and able to do everyone else's job.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40403	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:15:32 - [66] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: So why introduce a focus group now? GåÉ not an unreasonable question. It's a new initiative that was discussed briefly in the recent CSM minutes, proposed initially by Sion I think as a way to better utilise what the CSM can do and provide a way to include greater expertise in some discussions, especially where the CSM doesn't have that expertise but is limited in what they can do because of NDA: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM10-S1-D2.pdf Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:21:18 - [67] - Quote Cool idea, glad to know we have a t3d nerf pending.
Admiral Autumn Aulx-Gao Watchmen of the Hierarch 0	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:40:35 - [68] - Quote Howdy there CCP, I'd like to apply for this group as I believe that I could relay some feedback to you all about Tactical Destroyers. I have flown them rather extensively, in a wide variety of scenarios, including: - Wormholes (for both PvP & PvE) - General Low sec PvP in form of Small Fleets/Gangs & Solo - SOV Null Sec, PvP in form of Large fleets & small Gangs - Faction Warfare LS, PvP in forms of both Solo & Small Gangs I almost exclusively fly the Confessor though, as it's my favorite, but I do have experience w/ the others. I hope you all select me, so that we can work together to help solve any problems that T3Ds have created :) Thank you
Torei Dutalis IceBox Inc. 32	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:43:56 - [69] - Quote I would more than love to participate in such a focus group as balance related issues are something that I discuss on a daily basis. While perhaps not as prolific as many of the persons in the release threads for the t3ds, I have posted in all of them to one extent or another. I have flown all of them, although with a heavy focus on the Confessor and the Hecate. I also fly almost exclusively in FW space and as such have a strong grasp of the meta that surrounds these ships and not simply the hulls themselves. I discuss my opinions on balance with my corpmates on a daily basis (perhaps much to their annoyance) so these issues are never far from my mind. I have also spent probably hundreds of hours efting these four ships in specific from basic fits to extreme fits that should probably never see the light of day. While I would consider myself a competent PvPer on Tranquility, I definitely believe that my theoretical skills far surpass my practical skills, surely a boon when it comes to discussing balance. While unrelated to t3ds in specific, I believe that this expertise in fitting led me to my recent victory in the Oceanic Assault Tournament. I also use the slack messenger app on a daily basis to communicate with my corporation so there would be no question that I would be a very active and able member of such a discussion group were I to be selected.
General Vachot The Vendunari End of Life 18	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:16:38 - [70] - Quote I would be very interested in being part of this focus group. My corp and alliance use T3 Dessies regularly so we know the pro's and cons in fighting with and against them. They are extremely fun even if over popular at the moment. Definitely have some constructive feedback to give on how to address the following; 1) Insta warping due to mode change 2) AF's seemingly losing their way 3) Cost 4) Skills I think there can definitely be some amount of re-balance that does not nerf Tac des or take the fun away from flying them.
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2760	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:50:32 - [71] - Quote Is there going to be a devblog on this, or some place we can discuss it? It's really interesting and I would love to see what directions it could go or if there are other plans for it.
Bloodmyst Ranwar Leviathan Rising Affirmative. 144	Posted - 2015.10.02 03:38:20 - [72] - Quote I would very much appreciate being accepted into this focus group. I am primarily from a Solo PvP background for the past 3 yeras now. As many would understand in similar backgrounds, you not only study what you fly, but also what others are flying. This includes fighting in all types of secuirty space, wormholes, nullsec, low and high. There are quiet a number of tweaks, nerfs, buffs that I believe all four destroyers need and would love to hear what others have to say about them. First and foremost, the T3D's are a great addition to the game. So kudos to you CCP
Zanthar Eos Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1	Posted - 2015.10.02 03:58:52 - [73] - Quote I'll through my hat into the ring. Long time pvper and all that
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16696	Posted - 2015.10.02 04:37:59 - [74] - Quote I while I don't chose to actively fly them I do understand t3d capabilities and their impact on the wider balance of the ships around them. I have a fairly extensive posting history and the ability to listen. When it comes to fitting ships I have a somewhat unique reputation for getting ships to do what many would think impossible. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Silverbackyererse The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate 157	Posted - 2015.10.02 04:47:27 - [75] - Quote I'd like to be part of the focus group to play devils advocate to anyone who wants to change them in any way, shape or form.
Boki Adaptation. 1	Posted - 2015.10.02 04:52:37 - [76] - Quote Boki's Application to T3D Focus Group Pilot's Name: Boki Alias: Defiant Blessings Eve Specialties: Business / Small Gang PVP / General Tactic & Strategy Age in Eve Universe: 12 years off and on Eve Related Projects: - Eve Business Insider - Character Bazaar Broker & Appraiser - Alliance Exec & Small Gang FC During my time in Eve, I have seen many different metas and transformations of the game. Many balance patches, the ebb and flow of pilots into the universe, and the rise and fall of many empires. I have always been an effective communicator, I have always ran my own corp / alliance / organizations in Eve, and I have always encouraged other players to recognize trends and adapt to them through the use of somewhat high-level theorycraft and conceptual understanding of game mechanics. The conception of T3Ds has created a recent trend not unlike that seen by the first-pass T1 Cruiser changes from so many seasons ago, and I feel I would have a unique opinion to add to the discussion as to how this latest trend has affected the rest of the universe. It is my personal belief that certain T3Ds are not in precise balance with others, and that nature of imbalance has largely to do with the current meta and trends in the size and scope of combat these ships were meant for. However it is also my belief that T3Ds offer a unique positional advantage to many small groups mainly through the versatility of the ship. I love to fly all 4 races, and I have dedicated myself to increasing my mechanical ability in this ship, something that Eve rarely offers the chance to do anymore. I respect them for what they have brought to the game, I fear them on the battlefield, and I have some good ideas for how they can be made to fit more seamlessly into the universe. Please accept this application to take part in the T3D Focus Group! Sincerely, -Defiant Blessings / General Boki of the Adaptation Armada.
Seliah Repo. 214	Posted - 2015.10.02 07:03:28 - [77] - Quote Hello, First of all, I'm very glad you guys are moving forward so quickly with the Focus Groups idea. I'm sure it'll be very productive. I'd like to submit an application to this focus group. T3Ds are a very interesting and dynamic ship class, bringing many new concepts and game mechanics, but I think there is still room for improvement and balancing, and I'd love to be a part of such discussions. I've been playing EVE almost 9 years now, and PVP has been my primary activity - along with some ISK making stuff. I've spent most of the last 2 years solo'ing / in small gangs in lowsec FW space, where T3Ds occupy a prominent place. I've flown them and I've fought them, enough to build my own opinion about these ships and detect what's good and less good about them. In addition to my pvp experience, with T3Ds and in general, I believe I can bring constructive arguments to a discussion - I'm always up for a good debate, and am open to new and different ideas. Looking forward to either participating in this focus group, or reading what comes out of it ! o> Sel.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 121	Posted - 2015.10.02 07:12:19 - [78] - Quote Hi, my name's Davis (low scattered mumbles from the group )hi Davis It's been just over 12 hours since I last flew a T3D. tentative applause I've been trying to be strong, but I just can't seem to give them the kick. Almost all my kills the last week have been in a confessor. It's just too strong and cheap, It's really starting to cut into my other ship classes, I've barely been able to sit a cruiser for over a month and I just cant bring myself to get into frigates anymore. I think my corpmates are starting to notice. My participation has been up, but I just haven't been filling other roles lately, you know? Just last week FC called for an armor cruiser fleet and I couldn't help asking "do we need a prober? heavy tackle? kitey damage? all of the above?". (from the back of the audience) we've all been there man The FC even took pity on my and let me come along. A few of the other guys have started to fly them too. We've been sneaking out in small gangs and shooting up pretty much anything we can find. Even if we go down, the insurance is practically a scam and we can't help getting into a new one straight away to keep going. I need help guys, I've tried to kick the habit on my own but they just so good.... (the group leader speaks up) thanks for sharing Davis
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 121	Posted - 2015.10.02 07:15:06 - [79] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: I wish to nominate for a position on the focus group and provide the following support for my application. Communicate Effectively: 6098 posts currently in the forums and comfortable working in a text based environment for communication Active on /r/eve, twitter, tweetfleet slack, Likes and Get Likes slack, End of Life Alliance slack and here at Eve-O on a daily basis Member of a number of existing Slack, Confluence and Sharepoint groups for collaboration purposes RL: Leader of 12 international staff collaborating across locations in Australia, Europe, Asia and North America Provide reasoned and calm feedback Here on the forum I have a long history of providing evidence based comment rather than wild speculation -- recent example 1 -- recent example 2 -- recent example 3 I generally avoid emotional responses myself, but recognise that people become heavily invested in what they do and can be emotional at times. I don't see other people's strong views or emotions as a threat or become upset when people disagree with my opinions While I have my views and can express them with reason, I am very open to adjusting them when others make solid and reasonable counter points or corrections. I have a strong view that effective collaboration involves respecting others, an open mind, patience, flexibility and shared interests. Significant experience flying T3D As a lowsec/nullsec small gang and solo pvper, I have actively pvp'd with and against T3D since their initial release Have fought against T3Ds in hulls including T1 frigates, Assault Frigates, Faction Frigates, Interceptors, Electronic Attack Frigates, T1 Destroyers, T3D, T1 Cruisers, Faction Cruisers, T2 Cruisers and Battleships Small gang FC in lowsec and nullsec and have FC'd T3D doctrines as well as fought against them in fleets Use T3D with and without links support daily (see Lesovyk Mara eveboard below for evidence of links capabilities) Strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance End of Life theory crafter (1 of 3) for AT XIII (top 16 placing) Play daily across 3 accounts involving pvp, industry, hauling, anomoly ratting, exploration, PI and market trading -- Scipio Artelius -- Violet Crumble -- Lesovyk Mara (pw: q1w2e3r4) Actively involved in pvp in lowsec, nullsec and wormhole operations As a theory crafter, FC and doctrine setter for Corp and Alliance, I am involved daily in leading and creating content for others, evaluating and providing advice on fittings, providing advice on strategies and tactics for pvp to other members and in evaluating ship balance in deciding on official doctrines I firmly believe that I am the right person for a spot on this first focus group and if selected, will apply my RL skills in collaboration, communication, providing evidence-based input and knowledge of Eve to help the group to be an effective resource for CCP. +1 for Scip, he does good work, and a hell of a lot of it too.
Kasia en Tilavine School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 46	Posted - 2015.10.02 08:58:09 - [80] - Quote Not putting an application in myself, but rather pointing a recommendation at Suitonia. What these focus groups need are tourney players, they dig deep into the meta to maximize potential. This focus group also needs new player help and content guide creators, people who know how important K.I.S.S. is (keep it simple stupid) . It also needs calm rational people good at speaking. There are very few candidates suited better than Suitonia. Just one question. If this focus group thing goes well, will CCP consider doing focus group work with other aspects of the game? Ships, modules, game content, etc... I think this kind of format is exactly what is needed. The F&I section can get a bit volitatile and toxic when weeks go by without responses from devs on what are perceived to be important points and ideas. As well, F&I can fill with hundreds of useless bittervet posts. A filtered focus group is perfect. Useful opinions from a wide area of game experience, and a set time where dev feedback will be present and engagable. More than +1 for this. An idea this great surely came from a brainstorming session with CCP leggybro and CCP chair.
Gremoxx The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.10.02 09:07:51 - [81] - Quote I would love to get the opportunity to participate Have owned one DT3 (I think), but never been that much of an Dessy fan tobehonest. I am however keen on the concept that was introduced with the DT3, and would like to see it one form or another added to other hulls in EVE. Why me !? Most of my time in RL I spend problem solving or bridging peoples differences / opinions. The other part of my day is spent taking care of other peoples ideas and bringing them to fruition. In EVE I have two main char, one is pure PVP and the other is PVE / PVP mix, building, mining, scanning ect. Small scale PVP to large fleets. Every group needs the odd-one-out, someone who know-¦s enough - but isn't an expert, someone who isn't afraid to think vertical when others are thinking horizontal. - And I would like to think that person is me :)
Motorbit HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords 45	Posted - 2015.10.02 09:12:23 - [82] - Quote i would like to join the focuss group. i think i can give good feedback these ships, as i fly t3d on a daily basis in FW lowsec, both solo and in small gangs. especially solo it is very important to know precisely what a ship can do in order to beat it, and i like to think that i am quite competent at this. though english is not my native language, i have good communication skills and i take joy in a good discussion.
Klatus Doshu Die Kreuzritter Invidia Gloriae Comes 2	Posted - 2015.10.02 09:24:52 - [83] - Quote Hey I just wanted to add a producer's point view, since there were some statements, that T3D are too cheap. Well, perhaps you can tweak that, by adding the need to produce also 3 subsytems (offensive, propulsion and defensive) for the 3TD plus of course the hull. Then you assemble it to the final TD3. You could use the same relics for reverse engineering as for the T3 cruisers, you just have to select which BPC you want ...as you already have to do now. By the extra effort in research and production the prices should also raise for the T3D. You can adjust the material need for the BPCs in such way, that you gain the desired raise in prices. This would be only a minor intervention, which perhaps adresses some concerns about the TD3s. Perhaps one of the people, who will be invited to the focus group, likes that idea and brings it up. Best, Klatus
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1270	Posted - 2015.10.02 11:18:55 - [84] - Quote I'm a soloist/wh-dweller in conventional wh-space (mainly c2-c4) and play the rock-paper-scissors game of countering certain fits with specialized vessels for a couple years. I mainly use their roughly related brethren, Interdictors, for everyday pvp. Though my experience with T3Ds is limited (~100 kills with gangs of 3 or less people), I'd like to provide input from a very niche gameplay POV.
Syenna Celeste Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 39	Posted - 2015.10.02 12:08:14 - [85] - Quote I've been making extensive use of all four T3D's, particularly the Jackdaw, since their respective releases. The Jackdaw is my single most used PvP ship by number of kills, and I'm in ZKB's top 10 for ships destroyed using a Jackdaw (this might be inaccurate now, in fairness). I can also draw on the experience of my corporation and alliance members, some of whom are large scale T3D producers, and most of whom are regular T3D pilots. I am out and out an 'elite implants n links' type. I won't be shouting for the little guy, and I thoroughly believe in the 'NOPOORS' mentality, there's no point in lying about that; But I am heavily invested in T3D gameplay and would like to see the class flourish in a sensible place, or at least more sensible than they are now. I'm a regular slack user already so staying in regular touch with the focus group wouldn't be going out of my way. You won't find many examples of me being constructive on these forums, but I do have a habit of making Reddit posts not all of which are terrible (although some people would argue). I enjoy discussing fittings and balance among my corp and alliancemates and generally our conversations have stayed civil and productive, and everyone has improved as a result. But yeah. I want competitive, well balanced set of T3D's. I think I can put off my shitposting long enough to contribute to that. Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Zeta Gaijin Interstellar Expeditionary Group Einstein-Rosen Brigade 0	Posted - 2015.10.02 12:35:23 - [86] - Quote I am a Director of a wormhole corporation, helped build a little alliance for ourselves, and have used the Jackdaw since it came out, and fought against every single damn T3d. I have lots of experience fighting with and against T3ds in a wormhole context since they came out, and have theory crafted far too many Jackdaw fits (triple MASB ftw). My corp has used Slack for the last 9 months, and my Slack-fu is strong. Have taken part in the Wormhole citadel discussion with CCP and CSM I am also Canadian so polite discussion is a given
Black Romero Aviation Professionals for EVE The Ditanian Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.10.02 13:45:47 - [87] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: So why introduce a focus group now? GåÉ not an unreasonable question. It's a new initiative that was discussed briefly in the recent CSM minutes, proposed initially by Sion I think as a way to better utilise what the CSM can do and provide a way to include greater expertise in some discussions, especially where the CSM doesn't have that expertise but is limited in what they can do because of NDA: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM10-S1-D2.pdf ...And because of all the EVE $hitters on the forums that take up space and attack the devs. Let's be honest here.
Sard Caid Ubiquitous Hurt The WeHurt Initiative 115	Posted - 2015.10.02 13:48:39 - [88] - Quote I'd like to pitch in. Qualifications: 6+ years of PvP theory crafting, discussion, analysis and guides between my blog and twitch stream Co-captained NEO and AT teams, lead theorycrafting efforts Well rounded in game experience, flown most subcap ships dozens of times in PvP Vast solo, small gang (2-10 man) experience Modest PvE experience Comfortable engaging in debate and argument in non-toxic manner This is a really cool initiative, thanks for spearheading this!
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 353	Posted - 2015.10.02 13:51:11 - [89] - Quote Id be up for this.
Tomski Ruslav Hull Breach. Outnumbered. 11	Posted - 2015.10.02 14:21:40 - [90] - Quote Im up for it. Have flown t3d's a lot, and been on the reciving end of them as well. Experience from both low sec and 0,0 use of them. *One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.*

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13320	Posted - 2015.10.02 14:40:10 - [91] - Quote Thanks to everyone who has thrown their hat in the ring so far. I won't start narrowing down the list until Monday so people have the weekend to hear about this and post. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Me ofcourse State Protectorate Caldari State 104	Posted - 2015.10.02 14:51:43 - [92] - Quote well im down for this. been flying t3d's since they were introduced (and then some on sisi) and actually like to therycraft with them and such such as finding their weakness's and strengths :)
Lucius Kalari Limited Power Inc It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake 33	Posted - 2015.10.02 15:51:07 - [93] - Quote LIMP/PNAH's use T3d's all the time and is one of our favourite ship class, I would be very interested in being a part of this Hi, I'm Lucius Kalari and I'm .LIMP LichReaper - according to zkill they probably wont make it past the undock
forsot forsot's Angles Death by Degrees 40	Posted - 2015.10.02 16:05:20 - [94] - Quote I use to live in a W-R and run fleets of T3ds(af's before they got obsoleted) as well as a little solo roaming with them. I would be interested in taking part.
Johnny Twelvebore The Tuskers The Tuskers Co. 72	Posted - 2015.10.02 16:42:59 - [95] - Quote I'd like to be considered, I have flown them all in small gang and the last AT. Before the Svipul nerf it was oversized AB shield rep Svips and double rep Confessors, then slightly more sensible fits post nerf. My view is that they are coming towards balanced but not quite there yet, they can be taken down by a determined enemy ideally with a slight number advantage but scale up very quickly with links and good piloting. One on one they are still tough but should be as T3 ships. Not sure I can offer a magic, straight off fix but hopefully can add a few sensible thoughts. Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders 521	Posted - 2015.10.02 17:17:01 - [96] - Quote I would like to be considered for the Focus Group. Though there are many better pilots and EFT/PYFA warriors who have already thrown their hats into the ring, and I thank them for it, I would appreciate having someone in the discussion that has a strong grasp of FW mechanics due to the impact these ships currently, as well as going forward, have on the area. - Than
Mercer Nen Summicron Holdings 17	Posted - 2015.10.02 18:17:37 - [97] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: We are hoping that using a focus group of this type will allow us to quickly and easily gather feedback from players who have a strong breadth and depth of experience with the ships. If this group goes well, similar formats might be used for other focus groups on other topics. Seems like an ok format for this specific topic. Especially if you're looking for a discussion group type atmosphere to generate ideas. Possibly a good supplement to other User Research that I hope CCP is doing. Whatever you do, please don't confuse "Focus groups", regardless of the format, with proper User Research. "Focus Groups" tend to be traditional market research fodder, but are also generally considered to be a substandard research method. The "Focus" part is ok. It's the "Group" part where things tend to go wrong. Focus groups are frequently used to bulk up numbers to add weight to the results ("7 out of 10 people said ..."). Usually at the expense of the quality of the research and insights. Be careful where and when you use it.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1469	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:46:09 - [98] - Quote T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive. I hope you guys can fix this. The Tears Must Flow
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1200	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:51:14 - [99] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive. I hope you guys can fix this. yep the estimated cost of D3's by the devs was supposed too be much higher than they actually turned out too be even after the follow up attempt at making them more expensive, but i still don't understand how they thought these wouldn't be a repeat of T3 cruisers mistake were they obsolete so many other ships and classes which was easily forseen by many people who pointed this out too them including myself. T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 353	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:00:50 - [100] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: T3D are way too powerfull and relatively inexpensive. I hope you guys can fix this. yep the estimated cost of D3's by the devs was supposed too be much higher than they actually turned out too be even after the follow up attempt at making them more expensive, but i still don't understand how they thought these wouldn't be a repeat of T3 cruisers mistake were they obsolete so many other ships and classes which was easily forseen by many people who pointed this out too them including myself. T3s are fine though and obsolete nothing. T3ds have the svipul which is a 25k ehp 470dps ship, fessor which is 20k ehp and 400dps. Hecate is the only good one there is. Jackdaw has to much ehp. Nearly all of them are basicely cruiser ehp/dps wise with af levels of damage migation, which is to strong. There are lots of good things about t3ds, things that other ships could profit from a ton, for example the instawarp trick, which makes the ships amazing to roam in as they counter camps. Or the ability to kind of counter ecm and other ewar. And t3ds are a joy to roam and fight in (at least the 10mn beam fessor is), beatable, hard to fly, hard to master and very potent and very anti "lame" as it does have answers to linked snaked 8km/s garmurs and the like. Id rather have afs go away (which are made totally obsolete by t3ds) then t3ds, which says a lot about both ship classes. I think their key lies in the problem that 10mn kiting fits for the confessor and arty fits for the svipul are something good for the game, but both in turn enable over tanked bullshit fits as the fitting room just is there for them. So if you nerf fitting to much the good fits die but the already lame ones only take a minor hit - which is a bad thing. For the svipul the problem is mainly that the fitting difference between acs and artys is to absurd, so if you enable any arty fits ac fits can fit whatever they want, and if you optimize fittings for acs artys can never get fitted.
Helene Fidard CTRL-Q 25	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:36:52 - [101] - Quote It would be cool if at least one person chosen for this focus group had some experience flying or fighting t3d rr comps (not volunteering)
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1470	Posted - 2015.10.03 00:10:30 - [102] - Quote Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. The Tears Must Flow
Armtoe Arton Yachting and Angling Club Domain Research and Mining Inst. 423	Posted - 2015.10.03 03:19:05 - [103] - Quote xx me up and count me in. All I do is pvp and have fought most of the T3 desy, so I have considerable experience in how they function. Also I am an attorney in rl and an older player, so that provides me with a different rl skill set then many of the younger players which may be of benefit in the group. (I know that being an attorney doesn't equate to flying an internet spaceship, it was more of the wordsmithing that I was thinking of).
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 208	Posted - 2015.10.03 03:19:08 - [104] - Quote Walks in swinging his Baton Signing up to do my duty. I've had plenty of fights in T3Ds (the confessor only, for obvious reasons), against T3Ds and as an FC and director, have to scour and discuss all the battle reports from PIE FCs. My knowledge will be very specific to flying the Confessor, but that requires us knowing the strengths/weaknesses of the confessor against the others. Mechanics of low-sec and specifically Faction Warfare are my bread and butter. And I swear I'm much more capable of mature, open and honest discussion than my character :) Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery 2781	Posted - 2015.10.03 06:39:32 - [105] - Quote SidtheKid100 wrote: Hello, I would love to join a focus group around T3Ds. PvP is my primary activity in EVE and one thing I've noticed after returning to the game less than 3 months ago is how quickly T3Ds have proliferated across the cluster. I believe I have had extensive exposure to all 4 (flying 3 myself). Thanks for putting forward a new initiative for player feedback. Really? Sid, mate, leave this to the adults. Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery 2781	Posted - 2015.10.03 06:42:14 - [106] - Quote You definitely need Sard Caid, Johnny Twelvebore, Forsot on this thing. Me, no, I'm too much of an ******* but I'll write a blog post and you can read my 5c and be done. Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1059	Posted - 2015.10.03 09:32:56 - [107] - Quote We've been using them both in doctrines and individual fights (from straight out brawling to kiting) a lot and I've got a lot of experience fighting them as well, especially with smaller ships. This is all limited to the lowsec/FW environment in both warzones. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 377	Posted - 2015.10.03 10:06:29 - [108] - Quote New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? "(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
Aurure Krautfleet Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2015.10.03 11:08:24 - [109] - Quote Looking forward to some balance changes here.
Alek Row Silent Step 53	Posted - 2015.10.03 11:43:20 - [110] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: For the svipul the problem is mainly that the fitting difference between acs and artys is to absurd, so if you enable any arty fits ac fits can fit whatever they want, and if you optimize fittings for acs artys can never get fitted. Honestly, I already lost all hope of seeing that changed. Lots of Minmatar ships that can't fit arties and a minor tank without 2 fitting mods at least. That thing starts with slasher/rifter and goes all the way.
Stitch Kaneland Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 579	Posted - 2015.10.03 14:31:49 - [111] - Quote Alek Row wrote: W0lf Crendraven wrote: For the svipul the problem is mainly that the fitting difference between acs and artys is to absurd, so if you enable any arty fits ac fits can fit whatever they want, and if you optimize fittings for acs artys can never get fitted. Honestly, I already lost all hope of seeing that changed. Lots of Minmatar ships that can't fit arties and a minor tank without 2 fitting mods at least. That thing starts with slasher/rifter and goes all the way. If they reduced fitting req's for arty than it could be possible, but CCP seems insistent not to do this. So this is why issues like this come up. I can understand to an extent, as I fly artillery ships a lot, and they can be quite strong even with almost 0 tank when flown right. So maybe thats why they're hesitant on it dropping arty PG requirements, as an arty ship with moderate tank could be pretty stong on its own. This could then also carry over to fleet doctrines. Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
Aiyshimin Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate 558	Posted - 2015.10.03 14:51:33 - [112] - Quote I will leave the focus group to work out the other details, but this has to happen- the fastest destroyer should not be faster than slowest assault frigate. When base speeds are as ****** up as they currently are between these ship classes, balance is broken.
Blood Ruin Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops 0	Posted - 2015.10.03 16:34:31 - [113] - Quote o/ Hi there. I would like to apply to be part of this focus group. That being said, here is my "Tactical Destroyer Resume". Recently I flew Tactical Destroyers in Alliance Tournament XIII with the WeHurt Initiative. While our team did not have the most successful run our practice partners Exodus. placed 4th. As part of the WeHurt team I was one of the main contributors to T3D fits and coordinating their role in each comp. I feel this gives me a good understanding of the competitive dynamic of possible changes and the implications such changes may have on future Alliance Tournaments. On a more normal note, I have flown all T3Ds to a great extent in both small gang and solo pvp. As a member of Rifterlings I have flown in duo and small gang roles alongside Fintarue since T3Ds were introduced and discussed changes in fits as new T3Ds were introduced and re-balanced. As such I am very familiar with the more popular fits and metas around T3Ds as well as the CPU and power grid constraints of each Tactical Destroyer Although I mostly fly in Faction Warfare space in a more solo PvP oriented focus, I also have a character in a null-sec alliance that uses the Svipul and Jackdaw as a primary ship in their fleet doctrines and have a good idea of how they are used in a "larger scale" (like 50 man gang) engagements alongside Logistics. I will admit that my knowledge of PvE uses of Tactical Destroyers is almost nonexistent other then one entertaining attempt to do C4 wolf rayet sites in a gang of remote rep Svipuls. In conclusion, I feel that I would be a good addition to this focus group because of my experience with Tactical Destroyers in multiple areas of the game. I also take a very analytical approach to discussing the strengths , weaknesses, and versatility of each ship as well as the ship class as a whole. I hope to be considered for a place in this focus group and look forward to hearing from you. Thank you, o7 Blood
ArmyOfMe Hull Breach. Outnumbered. 451	Posted - 2015.10.03 17:47:39 - [114] - Quote Im more then willing to sign up for this. I've got 11 years of pvp under my belt now, and maxed out all the skills related to t3ds. I also have plenty of experience from both small gangs, solo and large fleets, and used to discussing setups with other in corp/alliance. I fly them quite regular and will continue to fly them in the future as well. But for the most part i want this game to be balanced, and hopefully I can help with that part. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Alek Row Silent Step 53	Posted - 2015.10.03 23:27:19 - [115] - Quote Stitch Kaneland wrote: and they can be quite strong even with almost 0 tank when flown right. Not asking much, dc and saar is the minimum. Tormentor, incursus, merlin, all of them can fit top tier long range weapons, ab, dc, and saar without fitting mods, you can't do the same in a rifter. Shouldn't the alpha be compensated by the slow rof/dps alone? Why making it almost impossible to fit, where is the versatility? Rifter, Slasher could be much better with a bit more pg per example, or at least could be a bit more versatile. I know that this is out of topic, and arty svipul is something you (who ever will be in the focus group) will have to talk about. But is the firetail out of line? or even the trasher? Why the pg problems in so many others?
Stitch Kaneland Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 580	Posted - 2015.10.04 00:12:18 - [116] - Quote Alek Row wrote: Stitch Kaneland wrote: and they can be quite strong even with almost 0 tank when flown right. Not asking much, dc and saar is the minimum. Tormentor, incursus, merlin, all of them can fit top tier long range weapons, ab, dc, and saar without fitting mods, you can't do the same in a rifter. Shouldn't the alpha be compensated by the slow rof/dps alone? Why making it almost impossible to fit, where is the versatility? Rifter, Slasher could be much better with a bit more pg per example, or at least could be a bit more versatile. I know that this is out of topic, and arty svipul is something you (who ever will be in the focus group) will have to talk about. But is the firetail out of line? or even the trasher? Why the pg problems in so many others? I'd like to see PG requirements lowered, i've been asking for it since i've been PvP'n with minmatar. The problem is they don't seem too concerned about it. I'm not disagreeing about some individual ship tweaks to make it more viable, and that might be what CCP decides to do (as seen in the cane/HFI buffs). I find it unlikely they will reduce arty PG requirements though, as even though the loss of dps is noticable, you can quite easily bypass active tanks with the alpha. Or when in a fleet/gang, can remove ships off field with each cycle. Having it easier to fit arty across the board could start to push certain ships into being very powerful. That being said, certain ships being tweaked to make arty fits viable is not something I oppose. The svipul for example is fairly balanced with arty, it just needs its speed dropped down a bit. Maybe nerf the prop bonus to prevent 3k/s cold speed while projecting 150dps out to 40km with 1.2k alpha. Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
Niss Tymbrimi Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 5	Posted - 2015.10.04 01:25:03 - [117] - Quote Suitonia wrote: I I have also taken part in many balance discussions on the tweetfleet slack, and here on the features and ideas forum, and would like to think of myself as a rationale person when it comes to such discussions. I would second Suitonia for this sort of thing. His videos are outstanding and he seems to have a very balanced view of the PVP meta, including T3Ds. Would be an awesome choice. ~N
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1273	Posted - 2015.10.04 09:18:11 - [118] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: You definitely need Sard Caid, Johnny Twelvebore, Forsot on this thing. Me, no, I'm too much of an ******* but I'll write a blog post and you can read my 5c and be done. c13 and Wolf-Rayet people should apply, too.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. 5386	Posted - 2015.10.05 00:20:28 - [119] - Quote Excellent idea. I'm not qualified on this topic but think there are many things such a focus group could be used upon. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Feyrin Star Frontiers Brotherhood of Spacers 44	Posted - 2015.10.05 12:54:54 - [120] - Quote I would like to be considered for this focus group. I have been involved with feedback and roundtables before having been to the last 3 fanfests. I got the ball rolling on multi-buy last year when the first preview was revealed for ghost fitting and love that some of my ideas have found thier way into making eve better for all. I have done faction warfare, sov and npc null in my time in eve. Both small and large fleet. I use all the T3D's on a daily basis at the moment in both pvp and pve. I would like to think I bring a moderate view on the ships. I certainly am not in the camp wanting a nerf into the ground, but do think that the ships need a slight adjustment in role. I design ship fittings for my corp as well as individuals and new players and have alot of experience with this. I also have limited AT experience having died in a fire in AT12. I am a strong advocate for ship balance being considered in the wider context of the meta, I think any discussion of T3D must consider the role of AF's as well to reach a balanced package. Thank You

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13344	Posted - 2015.10.05 13:26:42 - [121] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Selto Black Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 6	Posted - 2015.10.05 14:39:12 - [122] - Quote Is there an E.T.A. for this focus group as of yet?
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 560	Posted - 2015.10.05 14:49:18 - [123] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Jeremiah Saken wrote: New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers. It seems that destroyers have nade a huge turn, from "..and there are also destroyers, but who cares" to "start training for svipul asap" Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Lim Hiaret Hiaret Family 48	Posted - 2015.10.05 15:36:32 - [124] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: When selecting focus group members, we will be looking for people who can demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively and provide reasoned and calm feedback. We also want the members to have significant experience flying the Tactical Destroyers and to have strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance Wait what? For whom are you designing these T3s than? PVP morons like me, or trollish people like me are no longer allowed in or what? I feel underrepresented! Here is my thoughts than: - a mode assistance, automatic management of mode switching - a jester mode, no guns, no tank, high speed, bubble immunity and automated smack talk - a meta game mode, fight denying for enemies with negative standing Also I want the date on the promised - honeymoon mode - rainbow pony mode - reverse gear mode
Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.10.05 15:59:59 - [125] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 808	Posted - 2015.10.05 16:19:15 - [126] - Quote You wanna fix T3Ds? Just change it so they cannot fit 10mn ABs (Can fit 10MN AB = False), and make the time between switching to different modes longer. I say from 30 seconds to a minute at least.
Liam Inkuras AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 1610	Posted - 2015.10.05 16:21:21 - [127] - Quote Leonardo Adami wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1129	Posted - 2015.10.05 16:30:19 - [128] - Quote more like it would make sense for T3Cs and T3Ds to become balanced instead
Alexis Nightwish 333	Posted - 2015.10.05 18:17:40 - [129] - Quote I think it's outstanding that CCP is willing to put together a focus group of players to leverage our experience with the game to help fix the T3Ds. No, seriously, that's ******* cool. I don't know how many people you plan to have in the group, but if you need someone who Has their Masters in EFT. Has total command of the English language. Has Slack experience. Loves theory crafting. Loves fixing things. Loves systems and numbers. Can, and often does, think outside the box/meta/status quo. Fights for balance above all other factors. Won't argue for/against a change because of a group's agenda. Balance is my agenda. Can argue a case without making it personal. Doesn't have an ego to get hurt just because someone disagrees with me. Can accept someone else's point of view if they can prove it. Truly wants the game to be fun for everyone. Wants every ship to have a role. then please consider me for the focus group. CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers
Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.10.05 20:53:51 - [130] - Quote Liam Inkuras wrote: Leonardo Adami wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc..
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2304	Posted - 2015.10.05 21:04:43 - [131] - Quote Leonardo Adami wrote: Liam Inkuras wrote: Leonardo Adami wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc.. I'm pretty sure they fare better against T1 cruiser than T1 destroyer fare against their T2 variant even if they are in the same PLEX class...
MrQuisno Steelmaze Blacksmithing 6	Posted - 2015.10.05 22:00:39 - [132] - Quote Hello, Threw my name in the hat as well. I'm always looking to see what I can do with new ships. Taking the ships to the max fit and use it in different types of fights. The new ships are base on large or small gang warfare. Since they will be a smaller ship i'm sure they will be glass tank with high damage out put at which range... Many questions to be answered and tested out ideas here. I like to have fun and not cause drama..
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40452	Posted - 2015.10.06 01:04:07 - [133] - Quote Leonardo Adami wrote: Liam Inkuras wrote: Leonardo Adami wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Tech 3 Cruisers can't enter mediums. It only makes sense to disallow T3 Destroyers from entering smalls, on top of the fact they completely dominate anything else in or below their class. So you want the t3d's to be buffed significantly so they can consistently fight cruiser sized hulls and above? Cause pretty much any t1 cruiser can just about obliterate t3d's. By forcing them into medium/large you are inherently asking them to be buffed so that they will be capable of fighting t1cruisers/faction cruisers etc.. Im fairly confident it is going to happen - T3D being restricted from small plexes: http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/10/csmx-post-30.html?m=1 Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 398	Posted - 2015.10.06 06:34:35 - [134] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Im fairly confident it is going to happen - T3D being restricted from small plexes: http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/10/csmx-post-30.html?m=1 That is poor game balancing. It's like they admit they will be OP and they don't do anything about it. Simple solution ban the hull... CCP Fozzie wrote: Jeremiah Saken wrote: New destroyers are coming. What's the point of having focused group now? Will you balancing them in their own class? The new destroyers are something quite different and don't really overlap with the Tactical Destroyers. You don't know what our beloved community will do with them. Remember polarized modules? They suppose to be some new opportunities, yet they are niche modules. Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class? "(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
ArmyOfMe Hull Breach. Outnumbered. 451	Posted - 2015.10.06 11:24:11 - [135] - Quote Leonardo Adami wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Also prevent T3D from entering small FW complexes. No, smalls are made for them destroyer and smaller. If you want frig only go into a novice or bring a group of frigs into the small vs trying to solo a t3d in your frig. Limit small plexes to t1 dessies and below and a lot of the current issues in regards to af's would be fixed as well. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Motorbit HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords 45	Posted - 2015.10.06 15:16:23 - [136] - Quote that demand to ban t3d from small plexes comes to my expirience mostly from players that are not even enlisted and use fw complexes to get solo fights. while i think that its great that anyone can find good fights in fw, i dont think that the ability to whore on fw content should be the top priority on balancing the fw content. especially on system battle lvl, what matters for us fw guys is isk efficiency, and as it is now, its already very hard to come out isk efficient with t3d fleet in small complexes when fighting cheap fitted t1 dessies. in this meta, t3d already are rather unpopular. this basically means, if you ban t3d from small, you ban them from fw, because they realy have no buisiness in fighting over medium complexes on fw fleet lvl. i would realy hate to see this happen. another argument is, that there will always be the one strongest thingy in any set of rules. after you ban t3d, will you ban hacs from meds? pirate frigs from novice? where will you stop? should the ban the strongest ship go on till everything is banned everywhere exept non faction t1 frigates? that doesnt make much sense in my oppionion. i think t3d are fine in small complexes. the problems with t3d are not that they can enter small complexes, and it wont be fixed by banning them from small complexes. i would rather see Assault frigates, projectile weapons and all minmatar ships getting a look at then punishing t3d for problems that are caused by other ships and modules. that said, i think insurance is a bit broken for t3d. some of them have way to high insurance payout and its much to cheap to lose them, others have almost no insurance at all.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1547	Posted - 2015.10.06 15:20:30 - [137] - Quote I would like to get some statistics from CCP how T3Ds are used before the discussion starts... personally I would like to "ban" oversized prop mods from Svipuls and Confessors and make links much less effective to them in general. Also it should be so that short range weapons are favorable than long range - to fight the kiting meta and cater for the unique capabilities of mode switching and probing. I'm my own NPC alt.
SidtheKid100 R3d Fire 32	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:15:40 - [138] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: SidtheKid100 wrote: Hello, I would love to join a focus group around T3Ds. PvP is my primary activity in EVE and one thing I've noticed after returning to the game less than 3 months ago is how quickly T3Ds have proliferated across the cluster. I believe I have had extensive exposure to all 4 (flying 3 myself). Thanks for putting forward a new initiative for player feedback. Really? Sid, mate, leave this to the adults. Sorry, you old fogey's are too busy flying blap peonises to know what us yung un's are up to. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main.
Arla Sarain 666	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:13:00 - [139] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Fozzie, where do you see D3? As a bridge between frigate and cruiser class? A cruiser with frig signature and tracking.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 362	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:59:11 - [140] - Quote Imo if t3ds where light assault cruisers, would costs between hacs and faction cruisers, have ****** insurance, had cruiser rights (no smalls) they could even be rebuffed to their orignal state and they still would be fine, they are just so incredebly good as a solo or small scale ship isk/performance wise.
ArmyOfMe Hull Breach. Outnumbered. 451	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:53:13 - [141] - Quote Motorbit wrote: i think t3d are fine in small complexes. the problems with t3d are not that they can enter small complexes, and it wont be fixed by banning them from small complexes. i would rather see Assault frigates, projectile weapons and all minmatar ships getting a look at then punishing t3d for problems that are caused by other ships and modules. that said, i think insurance is a bit broken for t3d. some of them have way to high insurance payout and its much to cheap to lose them, others have almost no insurance at all. One of the problems with that is that if you buff the af's to compensate for the t3ds you end up with a bigger gap between t1 and t2 frigs, which also leads to problems. So i would think that from a balancing perspective that would end up causing more work then its worth it in the end. Personally i love the t3ds, but i also know that one of the main reason i love to fly them is cause they are extremly powerfull compared to the other ships you can fly inside a small plex. Atm the t3ds have close to cruiser dps and tanks while having less sig radius, much better tracking, and the ability to swap modes in a instant. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Arla Sarain 667	Posted - 2015.10.07 07:44:11 - [142] - Quote Currently a strong counter to T3Ds are medium and heavy neuts, and should a Sentinel sneak in, bonused small neuts. Counterintuitively, CCP is planning to add falloff to neuts, with the upcoming BiaB changes I assume. Neuts are strong enough to guess that they won't be buffed, and nerfed instead. Think this should be considered should anyone kneejerkingly point out that "T3Ds are fine cos neuts and cruisers".
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1275	Posted - 2015.10.07 11:01:49 - [143] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Currently a strong counter to T3Ds are medium and heavy neuts, and should a Sentinel sneak in, bonused small neuts. Counterintuitively, CCP is planning to add falloff to neuts, with the upcoming BiaB changes I assume. Neuts are strong enough to guess that they won't be buffed, and nerfed instead. Think this should be considered should anyone kneejerkingly point out that "T3Ds are fine cos neuts and cruisers". Depending on the design, it could also be a minor change (as for example, small neuts with 4k optimal and 4k falloff would actually be a buff). The same for RR could happen, with T1 logistics ending up with 30+45 and T2 with 60+30, creating a difference again.
Motorbit HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords 48	Posted - 2015.10.07 13:57:28 - [144] - Quote ArmyOfMe wrote: One of the problems with that is that if you buff the af's to compensate for the t3ds you end up with a bigger gap between t1 and t2 frigs, which also leads to problems. first of all, dont think that its bad that there is a large gap between af and t1 frigs. on fleet lvl, they fulfill different roles, and solo, the af is just a much more expensive risk to fly. its a matter of fact that af had issues before t3d where introduced, and t3d just made these problems more prominent. just look at the ship usage statistics presented at the last fanfest (with do not yet contain t3d). anyway, i think most would agree that the main problem with af is that they are just to slow in the current meta to be of much use, despite the fact that af make formidable brawlers. my suggestion to adress the af problem therfore was to replace the mwd signature bonus by an mwd speed bonus, something between 15% and 25%. this would allow af to get into the fight much faster, but not increase their brawling ability at all. changed like that, it was much more easy to come up with a counter to the fast kiting t3d that are so hard to fight solo in small complexes within the current rule set.
Kuon Orochi Never Surrender. Drama Sutra 0	Posted - 2015.10.07 15:22:11 - [145] - Quote I'd like to participate. I use t3ds extensively and even if I like them very much, I think they need a rebalance. I've been able to solo kill most cruisers (only neut cruisers that actually cycle their neut wins) with my svipul and it feels a bit like a win button to me. It can also outmatch missile HAC and BC/BS because of the small signature. I also feel like being able to enter small factional sites killed the assault frigates. But in that case it's the AS that need a rebalance (they are SLOW). Anyway, as I said, happy to participate.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1206	Posted - 2015.10.07 15:26:56 - [146] - Quote i think a great start too nerfing them would be too remove the role bonus of 50% damage, im not a fan of getting free bonuses on ships from role bonuses, like the gurista ships getting massive bonus for nothing, although i still don't get why on top of that they only need 2 drones too do what 5 normally do, the dps guristas get from having effectively 2 sets of weapon systems well bonused is OP, all droneships need too have a lot less highslots so that turret/missile ships don't have the massive disadvantage of having too use their highs for dps where as droneships normally don't. T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13351	Posted - 2015.10.07 17:00:10 - [147] - Quote Thanks for applying everyone! Unfortunately we can't accept everyone, but it was a tough set of decisions narrowing the list down. We've selected 16 members to start the focus group. It's possible that more may be added over time (depending on activity levels of the initial 16). I've created a new thread for this next phase of this focus group. You can find the list of group members there, as well as any important information and the chat logs. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Orob Ninebands Sauntering Racoons Clueless Space Nerds Podcast 46	Posted - 2015.10.07 17:38:25 - [148] - Quote Oh for FFS, leave the T3Ds alone. They are fine. People just like to cry and don't want to adapt. I have been murdered by T3Ds plenty and have lost a bunch trying to fly them (yup, I'm bad), and still I say leave them alone.
Orob Ninebands Sauntering Racoons Clueless Space Nerds Podcast 46	Posted - 2015.10.07 17:43:07 - [149] - Quote Uh, to all the crybabies worrying about running FW complexes: Run your sites in a T3D if you are worried about T3Ds coming into your plex. So damn simple, but I know, you are blinded by tears and can't see the logical answer.
Helene Fidard CTRL-Q 25	Posted - 2015.10.08 02:31:17 - [150] - Quote Orob Ninebands wrote: Uh, to all the crybabies worrying about running FW complexes: Run your sites in a T3D if you are worried about T3Ds coming into your plex. So damn simple, but I know, you are blinded by tears and can't see the logical answer. The entire warzone is t3ds friend. If you think you see a different ship in space it's probably just two or three t3ds close together.
Taggs Corhan Crimson Reavers 7	Posted - 2015.10.08 18:24:18 - [151] - Quote I would like to apply to this focus group if its still open to further applications. Since the first T3D release, I've been using them exclusively for various PVE tasks, pushing their limits; and have some input from that perspective. A bulet may have your name on it, but shrapnel is addressed 'to whom it may concern'. A nuke is addressed to 'Current Resident'
Arthanor Starseeker Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists 0	Posted - 2015.10.08 18:25:07 - [152] - Quote I am of the oppinion that the T3D's have been a very bad influence on EVE. I am a low-sec player who invests a lot of time in Faction warfare space. Faction warfare was dominated by a reasonably balanced mix of T1 and T2 frigs, and T1 destroyers, fighting over small/novice plexes. If you where flying any of those ships, you would be able to have enough plexes, to keep yourself bussy. The ballance was decent, to a way that there where at least 20 ship-types that where viable for solo fights, and a lot more for small scale fleets. With the release of the T3 destroyers, which for some unexplainable reason can enter small plexes. all of T1, T2 frigs and T1 destroyers suddenly became obsolete for small plexes. Poor T1 frig pilots could only flee to Novice outposts. There are unfortunately insuffici+½nt to keep people bussy... So people stopped flying factionwarfare in small ships, without warp-core stabs. Now we have 4 T3D's duking it out in the plexes, chasing anybody else away, without much fights. I also experience this trend when roaming. The only thing that still wants to fight, are T3D's. Which are hard to fight without your own T3D, anything else yust flees. This makes four hours-long solo-roams with nothing to shoot. For me, it made me consider quitting eve. Cause the small scale battles i love, are yust gone. In my oppinion. Nerf T3D's. And if you want to rebalance Faction warfare... restrict them to medium outposts and larger. where the cruisers can put up a fair fight. Yust like the T3 cruisers are only allowed in large-outposts.
Aram Kachaturian Aram Pleasure Hub Holding 185	Posted - 2015.10.08 19:34:54 - [153] - Quote Too bad Stunt Flores has been permabanned and cant join this group. Ruler of the Monocle Clubhouse - Skymarshal on a Cosmic Level & Owner of the Wisdom of Kings : *The French Prince.*
act 757 Pink Fluffy Bunny Slippers Darkeshi 0	Posted - 2015.10.08 20:10:27 - [154] - Quote now rebalance again .. should have thought abt it bfr deploy t3d in tranq .. now everyone fly svipul and no one fly aslt frigs.. that class is completely gone.. good job
Onslaughtor Occult National Security Phoenix Naval Systems 159	Posted - 2015.10.10 19:31:08 - [155] - Quote While I haven't been playing in the immediate past I have been keeping up with all the news and gameplay that has developed over my absence. I have been flying T3 Destroyers since they came out and have loved my time with the Svipul and Confessor and what time I did get to spend with the Jackdaw. The reason I wish to sign up is that I have fallen greatly in love with a type of flying I have only been able to achieve with this class of ships. A form of Ultra Heavy Light Tackle, or something of that nature. With the ships laid out the way they are min maxing is a very viable tactic and maxing for ehp goes a long way. Setting the focus of the ship to tank and speed with scram web and then putting it in a fleet setting with its probe bonus makes it a amazing scout ship that follows behind the interceptors and adds combat probing to their arsenal. This is what I love about these ships more than anything else. Mod switching while being the main focus is mostly used to enhance this, as speed mode is used to move around, and sharpshooter mode is used for the lock on or against ewar heavy targets. Personally I would love to see this ability nerfed out of the T3ds and moved to Assault Frigates, but since I doubt that will happen I want to personally push on how to fix these little monstrosities without nerfing what I love about them so dearly. I have a lot of experience with ships of all sizes and fighting against these ships, I have a comprehensive knowledge of how they operate and what they are used for around the game.

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