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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Torshin I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
BD is not THE ISS FC. Really, what is this.
Mate, don't worry about Torshin, he is clueless.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:38:00 -
[482]
Dear god... get a desktop picture? Ugly blue makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:40:00 -
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Nice madonna album
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:42:00 -
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This is still about not engaging AAA?
I'll just quote Waagaa here then....
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I really do not want to drag tactical and strategical information and or opinions of my own into this, because for a rational discussion about the viability of a POS siege like that you'd have to think about the involved parties, their qualities, skillpoints, experience, etc.
Let's just say that numbers don't say everything.
In the end, you paid us to lead the POS sieges. We fielded a very sizable amount of cap ships on capital ops and Seleene singlehandedly led every single one of them.
So in the end what are you getting at? The fact that we didn't engage AAA when you thought it was a good idea? Since thats been talked about around page 12. And dispite what you wanted it was our capitals, and there of better use to ourselves, and ISS alive rather then dead. Hence why we made the call.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ Nice madonna album
yeah and robbie's new album is just being hidden by BBC news lol
oh god my secret is out - I like Confessions on a dancefloor!
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 18:50:08
lol this thread is ace.
Anyways....
What have we got so far that has any value beyond.. bla bla bla, you suck?
The Accusation
- We have accusations from Butter Dog stating that MC chickened out from fighting AAA even when there was a good chance of winning, i.e MC have no balls, they only fight a sure thing. - BD accuses MC of making up an employer for Operation Prohibition.
MC's Defense
- Well fortunately for MC at the time of the accusations their word is worth more than BD's which gives them a starting advantage. So they can afford to simply say you are lying.. the onus of proof then goes to BD. Thats really all that MC have done to defend themselves at this stage.. and its more than sufficient if no proof is provided.
Butter Dog's Proof
- Butter Dog has provided a quote from a PM from Count T, saying that he was sorely disappointed by MC's performance "I am not afraid to admit that Sel and Ens were being cowards about it....... No money could have made him do it" and a screenshot, which on first inspection looks genuine, but I'm sure there are photoshop experts out there who can find any artifacts on it. - Butter Dog has named his source, Count T as the person who told him about Operation Prohibition having no employer.
Count Tasessine
Everything comes back to the top man.... what it effectively boils down to is.. who is lying?
Is it Count T or Butter Dog?...
We shall see.. very very exciting stuff.
PS - If BD can assure us that his screenshot of that PM is genuine, then Count T is in a whole lot of trouble... and it will be BD that is right.
Its actually all in the screenshot, if it is genuine.. BD wins the case, if it is not... forum hell awaits him.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 18:47:07 Maybe hide the Madonna folder next time too, eh?
I mean you were able to photoshop the convo in there, why not get rid of that?
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:47:00 -
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lol i cant believe this thread is still going :) i`ll keep my thoughts on this to myself but i think everyone that reads this should send me 2 million isk. For providing you all with such entertainment and iss should pay me like billions for starting the demise of butter dog from there ranks :( (nothing personal butter) so start the wallet flashing please IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 30/12/2006 18:53:26
Originally by: Nez Perces lol this thread is ace.
Anyways....
What have we got so far that has any value beyond.. bla bla bla, you suck?
The Accusation
- We have accusations from Butter Dog stating that MC chickened out from fighting AAA even when there was a good chance of winning, i.e MC have no balls, they only fight a sure thing. - BD accuses MC of making up an employer for Operation Prohibition.
MC's Defense - Well fortunately for MC at the time of the accusations their word is worth more than BD's which gives them a starting advantage. So they can afford to simply say you are lying.. the onus of proof then goes to BD. Thats really all that MC have done to defend themselves at this stage.. and its more than sufficient if no proof is provided.
Butter Dog's Proof - Butter Dog has provided a quote from a PM from Count T, saying that he was sorely disappointed by MC's performance "I am not afraid to admit that Sel and Ens were being cowards about it....... No money could have made him do it" and a photoshop, which on first inspection looks genuine, but I'm sure there are photoshop experts out there who can find any artifacts on it. - Butter Dog has named his source, Count T as the person who told him about Operation Prohibition having no employer.
Count Tasessine
Everything comes back to the top man.... what it effectively boils down to is.. who is lying?
Is it Count T or Butter Dog?
We shall see.. very very exciting stuff.
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract. And I'm still wondering what, if anything this does to prove the rest of BD's arguments? Good for you, you have a screen shot, now lets see something that isn't about a topic already discussed, and involving some of the slanderous accusasions your making (like a faked contract)
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:49:00 -
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Reading Nez's post is like hearing a ring-side commentator. Break it down blow by blow Nez!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth [
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract.
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract.
It does much more than that Lorth....
think past the physicality of it.... if the screenshot is genuine, then Count Tessanine lied in his post here on the forums. I.e he lied in public. Thats a big no no.
His word willl be worth zero. Now once that happens Butter Dog's claims become true also.
If what Butter Dog is saying is true.. then OMG.... MC is srewed.
This is big, make no mistake about it.
The thing is though ... Butter Dog is not home free by any stretch of the imagination... Count T and ISS are gonna pull out all the stops now.... it is Count T's reputation on the line, and by implication ISS'.
Infact the battle has now become ISS vs Butter Dog... MC's reputation is now intrinsically tied to ISS'
MC don't have a lot to say in this affair, until ISS have defended themselves.. from the screenshot revelation.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:56:00 -
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Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:01:00 -
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This certainly ISNT me V ISS and I'm not going to be dragged into that.
Count did lie when he said I had been kicked, yes - and we have proof of that from a longstanding ISSN member who kindly posted my ISSN forum post stating I was leaving due to MC.
But to be honest, its in his interest to maintain good relations with MC, and its only natural that he might say one thing in private and another publically regarding MC. That should not suprise anyone.
Count is a genuinely nice guy, I don't know why he posted in this thread saying the things he did about me, that was an error of judgement perhaps. But my only choice at that point was to respond with what I knew, but what until that point I did not wish to say.
But the gloves are by no means off between me and Count, nor do I wish them to be. This is about MC, not him.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
You're deluded beyond all help.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 19:03:26
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
You're deluded beyond all help.
Is this the part where someone makes a reference involving a pot, a kettle and some black paint?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Somebody is telling porkies....
Until ISS defend themselves.. MC would do themselves a big favour by accepting the fact that the proof provided is sufficient for this the show to move forward to the next stage.
ISS vs Butter Dog.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
No idea. If it was up to me though, if I didn't think that what we were being paid would cover the potential risk (I.E. an AAA capital gang dropping in on top of our dreads whilst they're engaging a POS) then I wouldn't take that risk.
I don't care though really, EVE politics are pretty stupid whatever way you look at them. I'm just here because I like arguments
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:05:00 -
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can you plz post some screenshots of the iss private section of the forum i cant read yet? thanks ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 19:06:39
Originally by: Butter Dog This certainly ISNT me V ISS and I'm not going to be dragged into that.
Count did lie when he said I had been kicked, yes - and we have proof of that from a longstanding ISSN member who kindly posted my ISSN forum post stating I was leaving due to MC.
But to be honest, its in his interest to maintain good relations with MC, and its only natural that he might say one thing in private and another publically regarding MC. That should not suprise anyone.
Count is a genuinely nice guy, I don't know why he posted in this thread saying the things he did about me, that was an error of judgement perhaps. But my only choice at that point was to respond with what I knew, but what until that point I did not wish to say.
But the gloves are by no means off between me and Count, nor do I wish them to be. This is about MC, not him.
Wrong.... this has now become all about you and Count T, all your evidence is directly related to Count T.
You should have thought about that before coming to the forums.
Either you follow through and do what you need to do... or you lose.. your call.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: petergriffen Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 18:47:07 Maybe hide the Madonna folder next time too, eh?
I mean you were able to photoshop the convo in there, why not get rid of that?
Photoshop?
Proof or STFU? Isn't that an MC favourite?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Only if you consider that sensitive info right? I wouldn't.
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Somebody is telling porkies....
Until ISS defend themselves.. MC would do themselves a big favour by accepting the fact that the proof provided is sufficient for this the show to move forward to the next stage.
ISS vs Butter Dog.
none of that seemed like sensitive information to be honest mate. It was a comment not some secret intel. -
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
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ISS arn't going to fight AAA?
damn... Guess you can just give me all your stations now then.
Save us all the trouble.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Ikvar Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
But isnt the question then, why isnt Count saying that to Sel ? Why is he keeping it between him and Bitter Dog ?
Mercenaries are what they are, Mercs, they have no interests in the war and the will to suicide their whole fleet only comes with a big enough price tag. Maybe the price was too steep for ISS, hireing a merc does not buy you a army of loyal followers who will do anything for the cause. People seem to forget that.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:09:00 -
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I dont see the lie from Count tbh.
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
I see no lie there.
He says in public he is happy with MCs performance, and that as his public face is fine, his more private face says that he was dissapointed with MCs refusal to fight AAA no matter what money etc... that is hardly a vare face dlie.
He is dissapointed with MCs action concerning that AAA battle (MC made the right decision 100%), but still overall satisfied with the job they did. He has been clear rthat they fulfilled thier ocntract as far as he is concerned.
As for pitting Butter vs Count.... thats just wishful thinking tbh
Butter stumped up some proof at last, but it doesnt prove much other than Count wanted LV and MC to engage AAA, which simply wasnt his call.... the contract terms that were paid for did not specify engaging AAA, and i expect MC were not prepped for such an engagement.
The fake contract... No proof
The Failed Contract.... No Prooof
BUtter is asking us to take him at his word... and it is ngh on impossible to do that when his word is in direct conflict with Seleene's and Count's
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:10:00 -
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And btw Butter Dog.. I wouldn't shed any tears for Count T, he has hung you out to dry in the most visible way possible... he effectively called you a liar and a trouble maker on the forums.. if what you are saying is true.. he stabbed you in the back.. and put you up for public lynching.
Don't waste your tears on him, I gurantee you his wasting none on you.
BD you are alone... ISS have disowned you.. there is no going back now.
You started this and you must finish it.. or it will finish you.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:10:00 -
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I've never known a thread to deliver so much for so long
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