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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:58:00 -
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iac currently are erecting a pos in f4r2 in the sted of mc`s , iss offered up no real resistance,We also obtained the mc pos as it was unanchored altho we were wanting to have a dance with seleenes nyx :( once again id like to tip my hat to mc good competitors and generally a pleasure to pvp against fly safe guys on that note iac forces also relieved iss of a mining moros in c3-oyd earlier in the day.. The pilot only a few hours earlier was telling me how great moros are to mine in because he wont die to our "wolf packs" i thank him for his confidence as does our killboards IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:02:00 -
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Forget the capital letter at beginning of sentences and forget your corp or alliance name on your avatar, but please I need paragraphs at the very least.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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minge master
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:05:00 -
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im a soldier not a writer :) ive very rarely posted on eve-o so forgive my forum eticate(if thats how you spell it) im in iac i`ll try sort my pic now... if i can figure out how
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:06:00 -
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haha using the wrong char is another silly thing i do IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Forget the capital letter at beginning of sentences and forget your corp or alliance name on your avatar, but please I need paragraphs at the very least.
This is like the 5th post I have read were their are no paragraphs, so annoying and hard to understand. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:12:00 -
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Mining Moros 4TW
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Alex Under
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Mining Moros 4TW
You mean 4TL... right?
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |
Denton Frost
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:22:00 -
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I love the way you can always rely upon IAC to give an unbiased, both sides of the story update
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:25:00 -
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that is exaclty what happened im afraid theres no spinning here.. iguess mc didtn try to stop us becase they are withdrawing.. All truth no bias here :) IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
Spenz
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:26:00 -
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nah an unbiased report would be something like "IAC is stealing everything and killing what doesnt fit in our cargo bays. Prepare to lose Jita!"
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Denton Frost I love the way you can always rely upon IAC to give an unbiased, both sides of the story update
I see nothing he has written there to be un true or biased.
Should be interesting times Good luck to both sides.
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:04:00 -
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Ah so you killed him ------
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:19:00 -
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I could have sworn that I also read about one of our pilots driving off in a ISS dread. Got to park them things a little better!
"We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers |
Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:21:00 -
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The mining Moros was just... lol
I'm almost pleased you killed it, tbh.
As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
I'm probably not supposed to say that on here, but you DO deserve credit for capitalising on the opportunity.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:24:00 -
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OMG I thought they were joking about the Mining Moros.
Originally by: Butter Dog The mining Moros was just... lol
I'm almost pleased you killed it, tbh.
As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
I'm probably not supposed to say that on here, but you DO deserve credit for capitalising on the opportunity.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog The mining Moros was just... lol
I'm almost pleased you killed it, tbh.
As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
I'm probably not supposed to say that on here, but you DO deserve credit for capitalising on the opportunity.
I have to ask, because I've been thinking about this a bit...
Does the Moros drone bonus affect the yield of mining drones? 'Cos if it does, I don't understand why everyone and their grandmother isn't using harvies on moroses to build their battleships. ----
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire OMG I thought they were joking about the Mining Moros.
Originally by: Butter Dog The mining Moros was just... lol
I'm almost pleased you killed it, tbh.
As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
I'm probably not supposed to say that on here, but you DO deserve credit for capitalising on the opportunity.
That was indeed no joke. We've seen him mining in that thing several times...
Oh and for the record and general ridicule the pilot of the Moros was Nyphur from Pillowsoft ____________
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 28/12/2006 19:41:46
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Montaire OMG I thought they were joking about the Mining Moros.
Originally by: Butter Dog The mining Moros was just... lol
I'm almost pleased you killed it, tbh.
As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
I'm probably not supposed to say that on here, but you DO deserve credit for capitalising on the opportunity.
That was indeed no joke. We've seen him mining in that thing several times...
Oh and for the record and general ridicule the pilot of the Moros was Nyphur from Pillowsoft
Ah, well, now thats out, might as well post the fraps.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0612/ISS_dead_0001.wmv
And I'll save you your eyesight wrt the fleet window -- primary DHB Foofighter.
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:50:00 -
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hehe ive just confirmed that iac did indeed steal a naglafar from iss.... however it was from northern iss not our iss IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
Technolisa
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:54:00 -
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Mining Moros O_O
Gentelmen we are going to get some shooty shooty tonight. (c) Evil Thug |
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Shinjuro
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:24:00 -
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The first time someone told me that an ISS mining moros was killed I laughed a bit. Then they told me they were dead serious... /emote passes out laughing. The ultimate carebear.
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:46:00 -
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THE MINING MOROS JOKES WERE REAL? -----
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shinjuro The first time someone told me that an ISS mining moros was killed I laughed a bit. Then they told me they were dead serious... /emote passes out laughing. The ultimate carebear.
Dreads really need a mining yield bonus when in siege :)
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:33:00 -
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That's a whole lot of chest-thumping from a gang who have spent the last few weeks watching their assets and space shrink, mostly while hiding in POS's. Even now IAC is down a station, not to mention many POS's and a few capital ships of their own.
Do you really want a tally of the cost to IAC of this insane invasion of theirs? ButterDog is still in Tyrrax's former office at the Bottleshop with his boots up on the desk, drinking port and smoking a cigar. Nyphur is fitting his new dreadnought from the comfort of DHB Foofighter's quarters. How much is that worth?
By the way, it was funny to see an IAC diplomat poking her head into the Market Discussions forum. It was as if IAC leadership had never grasped what was going on in there. Judging by the pathetic whines about "market pvp", it does seem as if IAC leadership is absurdly naive about a whole lot of alliance level issues, including market fundamentals.
IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror That's a whole lot of chest-thumping from a gang who have spent the last few weeks watching their assets and space shrink, mostly while hiding in POS's. Even now IAC is down a station, not to mention many POS's and a few capital ships of their own.
Do you really want a tally of the cost to IAC of this insane invasion of theirs? ButterDog is still in Tyrrax's former office at the Bottleshop with his boots up on the desk, drinking port and smoking a cigar. Nyphur is fitting his new dreadnought from the comfort of DHB Foofighter's quarters. How much is that worth?
By the way, it was funny to see an IAC diplomat poking her head into the Market Discussions forum. It was as if IAC leadership had never grasped what was going on in there. Judging by the pathetic whines about "market pvp", it does seem as if IAC leadership is absurdly naive about a whole lot of alliance level issues, including market fundamentals.
IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
Who cares? ISS still use dreads to mine in ____________
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
Yes it's true ..... we're disbanding ......
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror That's a whole lot of chest-thumping from a gang who have spent the last few weeks watching their assets and space shrink, mostly while hiding in POS's. Even now IAC is down a station, not to mention many POS's and a few capital ships of their own.
Do you really want a tally of the cost to IAC of this insane invasion of theirs? ButterDog is still in Tyrrax's former office at the Bottleshop with his boots up on the desk, drinking port and smoking a cigar. Nyphur is fitting his new dreadnought from the comfort of DHB Foofighter's quarters. How much is that worth?
By the way, it was funny to see an IAC diplomat poking her head into the Market Discussions forum. It was as if IAC leadership had never grasped what was going on in there. Judging by the pathetic whines about "market pvp", it does seem as if IAC leadership is absurdly naive about a whole lot of alliance level issues, including market fundamentals.
IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
bahahaha silly alt...grow a pair and say that with your main
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror a few capital ships of their own.
Have to kill more than one to say a few FYI, and btw apart from Moros (killed), and Naglfar (stolen), there's still 4 ISS and 1 FIX carrier downed in this little spat so far
Quote: Do you really want a tally of the cost to IAC of this insane invasion of theirs? ButterDog is still in Tyrrax's former office at the Bottleshop with his boots up on the desk, drinking port and smoking a cigar. Nyphur is fitting his new dreadnought from the comfort of DHB Foofighter's quarters. How much is that worth?
Ship kills and pos stealings are much sexier than POS kills anyway, and you temporarily having our forward military base doesn't particularly bother us, G-7W's always been our home, so your crap about offices and quarters doesn't work unless you take it over.
Quote: IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
The longer this drags on the the better it's looking for IAC Besides ISS has offered no deal, and I don't see any strangulation going on, only lots of fun small raids going our way, and some nice fleet action today.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror IAC will never be allowed to win this war. Make your deal while you can, or face the slow strangulation of what's left of your alliance.
Scared yet butter dog?
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:15:00 -
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Now we make ISS Fight without hiding behind the backs of MC.
Now we get to see what you truely are in terms of PvP.
And so far you seem to be lacking horribly in the leadership department. Calling Primaries is a good thing fyi.
Hold on to your hats ISS, because now its your turn find out that the cost of those mercs will be in more then just ISK.
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Alex Under
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter Now we make ISS Fight without hiding behind the backs of MC.
Now we get to see what you truely are in terms of PvP.
And so far you seem to be lacking horribly in the leadership department. Calling Primaries is a good thing fyi.
Hold on to your hats ISS, because now its your turn find out that the cost of those mercs will be in more then just ISK.
YAARRRR!
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:37:00 -
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omg, mining moros? I want one!
Veldnought is more powerful though. Had +3 Chribba to Chribba.
How'd you steal the dread? Did it get bumped out of pos shields or something?
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh omg, mining moros? I want one!
Veldnought is more powerful though. Had +3 Chribba to Chribba.
How'd you steal the dread? Did it get bumped out of pos shields or something?
It was sitting outside a pos forcefield. Someone in the pos had bumped it or something.
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CHONGUS
B0RED
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:51:00 -
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Why are IAC making such a big deal about using a capitol ships to mine with.? Are you guys not aware of the capitol ship mining ops your alliance holds in RNF.?
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: CHONGUS Why are IAC making such a big deal about using a capitol ships to mine with.? Are you guys not aware of the capitol ship mining ops your alliance holds in RNF.?
CHONGUS, we love you and you know it.
If you would just accept the position of official IAC mascot we would crown you. No entity in EVE is loved by IAC so much.
Good to hear from you old friend
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CHONGUS
B0RED
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: n sx If you would just accept the position of official IAC mascot we would crown you
And what would this crown be made with.? Morphite maybe.?
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Karnov
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: maGz Who cares? ISS still use dreads to mine in
I've seen worse...
SamuraiJack > I will post a picture of my ass in a thong on eve-o if you win |
Coros
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Coros on 28/12/2006 23:12:27 I'm wondering why everyone is so surprised to discover that an ISS member mines in a dreadnought, we're huge carebears... c'mon guys!
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Coros Edited by: Coros on 28/12/2006 23:12:27 I'm wondering why everyone is so surprised to discover that an ISS member mines in a dreadnought, we're huge carebears... c'mon guys!
It's more the fact that we managed to jump 6 cap ships 2 jumps to kill an ISS moros when we are supposedly hiding in empire and cowering in our remaing stations bemoaning the loss of our beloved station in F4.
And besides, The OP just stated that it had been done not us gloating over it.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/12/2006 23:33:31
I wasn't planning to write anything vaugely negative in this thread, until reading the ridiculous chest thumping from the jokers in IAC.
Few facts for you.
* You lost an outpost * You lost about 10 POS in the process * Even taking into account your Capital kills, you are still down on ISK on simply ship kills, never mind the outpost/POS etc
Loss Stats (only counting killmails with ISS on them, not what our mercs may have done)
ISS/IAC
Battleships - 86/96 Assault Ships - 26/78 Interceptors - 32/107 Cruisers - 142/112 Battlecruisers - 25/43 Frigates - 212/201 Recons - 8/19 HAC's - 4/6 Industrials - 10/30 Outposts - 0/1
And even when you factor in the capital kills, our killboard (which takes into account insurance payment and insurance cost on ships, the point being its a fair measure of true ISK destroyed) puts ISS on 10,045m lost ISK, and IAC on 11,746m ISK lost ISK.
And then we have the small matter of 6bn ISK worth of POS, and a 25bn ISK outpost.
So, however anyone chooses to measure success, IAC are losing in every possible way. Well done. But oh you anchored 1 POS in your old outpost system, so you're obviously winning
Think about that next time you start a pointless little chest-beating thread and start smacking on a public discussion forum.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:40:00 -
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Thanks for the info Butters.
As I promised, at the beginning of this conflict, we will post all kills/deaths for this entire campaign at the end of it all, whatever that may be.
We use market values of ships and modules, and we don't account for T1 insurance.
We have nothing to hide and are trying our hardest to ensure accuracy from the MC/KIA/FIX/LV killboards. In all honesty talking with KiaEddz and him informing us of empire losses was the biggest portion of ISK loss that was entirely unexpected. Kudos to them and thanks for letting us know where to get 150 deathmails from .
People can make their own minds up then and there if they are even interested. Until then, you've lost 6 capitals we've lost 1.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:45:00 -
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As it stands on our Killboard.
Name:War against ISS
Start date:2006-12-10 22:00 End date:[unspecified]
Total amount ISK killed:35,762,775,607 Total amount ISK lost:32,042,054,693 Total amount ships killed:1372 Total amount ships lost:1183
IAC Friendly list
Name:Type:Killed ISK:Involved kills:Lost ISK:Lost ships: Interstellar Alcohol Conglomeratealliance34,225,220,257136632,042,054,6931183 Tau Ceti Federationalliance8,271,5661100 Against ALL Authoritiesalliance2,225,678200 GoonSwarmalliance272,644,4854900 Shroud Of Darknessalliance295,391,0615200 The Red Skullalliance232,970,3613800
IAC Hostile list
Name:Type:Killed ISK:Involved kills:Lost ISK:Lost ships: Interstellar Starbase Syndicatealliance9,773,267,77169524,854,396,751932 Firmus Ixionalliance3,521,334,0373373,521,650,337190 Mercenary Coalitionalliance7,744,399,9435482,987,680,41276 Ushra'Khanalliance533,735,964126768,982,68351 Lotka Volterraalliance3,015,463,5972022,423,532,70868 Tyrell Corpcorporation308,488,79079227,790,87410 KIA Corpcorporation4,454,950,455121398,120,8814 Seraphin Technologiescorporation741,526,2613956,403,6702 Veto.corporation1,099,814,894158524,217,29039
May not be the easiast to read but im sure you can figure it out :)
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/12/2006 23:51:58
This conflict is actually quite interesting... one has to wonder what happens when MCFix/LV/KIA etc ... go home.
Or what happens if they never go home?... unlikely... surely ISS cannot afford to keep mercs on contract forever, it would make substantial inroads into their profit margins.
Sooner or later, the ISS Navy is gonna have to actually fight IAC mano a mano.. or maybe it won't come to that.... infact a whole lot of things could happen. Perhaps this conflict will escalate into something much bigger than either ISS or IAC.
Very difficult to tell.
One thing is for sure though... if IAC manage to stick out the initial rough weather, time will not be on ISS' side, because as a business time is money, where as for IAC time is not such a big factor. IAC are not trying to run a business..... whereas ISS are.
Thats ISS' achilles heel, trying to run a business in a game.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
People can make their own minds up then and there if they are even interested. Until then, you've lost 6 capitals we've lost 1.
You've lost more ships than us in total value, plus an outpost.
The capitals are already replaced. What... you think we can't afford new ones?
Bring your dreads out to siege, and see how many you have left when the dust settles.
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shanda captison
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: shanda captison on 28/12/2006 23:58:06 Edited by: shanda captison on 28/12/2006 23:55:12 Ah, the killboard wars begin.
Yes n sx that maybe true but if your gonna be like that the score on outposts is 1-0 and pos' 10-1. With this pos up and your willingness to use your dreads in places other than outside your station undock point hopefully we ll see some good action soon (dont do it in the next 3 weeks or so please, im away!).
Nice to see your back foo what was with visiting the north the other day? Was the south getting too much for you?!
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter As it stands on our Killboard.
Name:War against ISS
Start date:2006-12-10 22:00 End date:[unspecified]
Total amount ISK killed:35,762,775,607 Total amount ISK lost:32,042,054,693 Total amount ships killed:1372 Total amount ships lost:1183
IAC Friendly list
Name:Type:Killed ISK:Involved kills:Lost ISK:Lost ships: Interstellar Alcohol Conglomeratealliance34,225,220,257136632,042,054,6931183 Tau Ceti Federationalliance8,271,5661100 Against ALL Authoritiesalliance2,225,678200 GoonSwarmalliance272,644,4854900 Shroud Of Darknessalliance295,391,0615200 The Red Skullalliance232,970,3613800
IAC Hostile list
Name:Type:Killed ISK:Involved kills:Lost ISK:Lost ships: Interstellar Starbase Syndicatealliance9,773,267,77169524,854,396,751932 Firmus Ixionalliance3,521,334,0373373,521,650,337190 Mercenary Coalitionalliance7,744,399,9435482,987,680,41276 Ushra'Khanalliance533,735,964126768,982,68351 Lotka Volterraalliance3,015,463,5972022,423,532,70868 Tyrell Corpcorporation308,488,79079227,790,87410 KIA Corpcorporation4,454,950,455121398,120,8814 Seraphin Technologiescorporation741,526,2613956,403,6702 Veto.corporation1,099,814,894158524,217,29039
May not be the easiast to read but im sure you can figure it out :)
tbh though, IAC and ISS can spout all the numbers they want, but the only real way to tell how many losses you have is to look at your enemies killboard, and both IAC and ISS have private killboards...so from my point of view both sides can shoot whatever kinds of numbers, but neither is really acurate.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter
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And those numbers arnt complete either, i add that SoD killed 8bn isk, losing 2,4bn isk in the process, mainly do though lack of attention of our pilots.
Oh! And those are mainly ISS kills (350), added with some LV kills(150). So if you want to throw killboard numbers butters, do it accurately .. dont forget to say who gave you those kills either, else we might have to see em 2 or 3 times ..
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: shanda captison
Nice to see your back foo what was with visiting the north the other day? Was the south getting too much for you?!
Yes I'd be interested to hear more about the IAC trip up North... how many ISS did you kill again up in Pure Blind?
I believe its in single digits, and possibly even starts with a 'z'... In the meantime your carebears where dying by the dozen in your home constellation - great tactic
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: n sx
People can make their own minds up then and there if they are even interested. Until then, you've lost 6 capitals we've lost 1.
You've lost more ships than us in total value, plus an outpost.
The capitals are already replaced. What... you think we can't afford new ones?
Bring your dreads out to siege, and see how many you have left when the dust settles.
Butters, I will include our towers, and outposts in loss statistis. I will convo you to get an agreeable value when the time comes.
If we want to make it really fair, and also for the interest of your investors, you should include your Merc contract costs too.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 00:15:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: shanda captison
Nice to see your back foo what was with visiting the north the other day? Was the south getting too much for you?!
Yes I'd be interested to hear more about the IAC trip up North... how many ISS did you kill again up in Pure Blind?
I believe its in single digits, and possibly even starts with a 'z'... In the meantime your carebears where dying by the dozen in your home constellation - great tactic
I believe the ships we stole from your POS's more then make up for any "carebears" who died in my abscence. And besides i got a free cerberus and learned that the North is full of stab monkeys :)
We learned what we needed to learn, and even made some new friends.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.29 00:57:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Few facts for you.
* You lost an outpost
Lose it?
How do you lose an outpost? I just looked, it's exactly where they left it
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 00:57:00 -
[52]
Edited by: maGz on 29/12/2006 01:02:04
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: shanda captison
Nice to see your back foo what was with visiting the north the other day? Was the south getting too much for you?!
Yes I'd be interested to hear more about the IAC trip up North... how many ISS did you kill again up in Pure Blind?
I believe its in single digits, and possibly even starts with a 'z'... In the meantime your carebears where dying by the dozen in your home constellation - great tactic
Might surprise you to hear, but people actually play this game to have fun. And for some people, fun is to blow up stuff. It gets somewhat dull trying to pop ISS in the long run, especially when you have 5 fighters on every single frig/destroyer/cruiser/bs.
You haven't taken any new systems, IAC managed to get a POS up in F4, IAC seems to be the dominant force around F4 now and yet they still manage to have some peeps up in the north as well. I think this speaks oodles of ISSNs abilities
EDIT: Oh and in regards to the whole killboard-thingymajingy - who cares about current stats? Fact is, it wont get interesting 'til all your hired guns are gone. If you can uphold a positive kill-ratio against IAC after that then I'll be impressed... ____________
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:03:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Seleene on 29/12/2006 01:04:07
Originally by: Butter Dog As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
It might have had something to do with thinking six hours notice for ISS to put together a small fleet (and by that I mean just 10-15 BS) to cover the swap was enough time. Obviously it was not. Six hours is an eternity in situations like this. IAC saw the oppertunity and pounced on it in one-third the time. Kudos to them.
If anything it's just made the situation more interesting. IAC still have ten ISS POS to go through in F4R, which means exposing dreads at least twenty times to take them down. That's no cake walk. -
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Marqit
Big Booty Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:04:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/12/2006 23:33:31
I wasn't planning to write anything vaugely negative in this thread, until reading the ridiculous chest thumping from the jokers in IAC.
Few facts for you.
* You lost an outpost * You lost about 10 POS in the process * Even taking into account your Capital kills, you are still down on ISK on simply ship kills, never mind the outpost/POS etc
Loss Stats (only counting killmails with ISS on them, not what our mercs may have done)
ISS/IAC
Battleships - 86/96 Assault Ships - 26/78 Interceptors - 32/107 Cruisers - 142/112 Battlecruisers - 25/43 Frigates - 212/201 Recons - 8/19 HAC's - 4/6 Industrials - 10/30 Outposts - 0/1
And even when you factor in the capital kills, our killboard (which takes into account insurance payment and insurance cost on ships, the point being its a fair measure of true ISK destroyed) puts ISS on 10,045m lost ISK, and IAC on 11,746m ISK lost ISK.
And then we have the small matter of 6bn ISK worth of POS, and a 25bn ISK outpost.
So, however anyone chooses to measure success, IAC are losing in every possible way. Well done. But oh you anchored 1 POS in your old outpost system, so you're obviously winning
Think about that next time you start a pointless little chest-beating thread and start smacking on a public discussion forum.
Since, we are getting down to brass tacks here. Where's the cost of hiring the Merc Corps? Doe's that go into the plus or minus column? Or is this some of that fuzzy math we've heard about.
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Frools
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: shanda captison [With this pos up and your willingness to use your dreads in places other than outside your station undock point hopefully we ll see some good action soon (dont do it in the next 3 weeks or so please, im away!).
haha, ISSN complaining about people avoiding fights? whatever next --------------------
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DrDevice
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:12:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Yes I'd be interested to hear more about the IAC trip up North... how many ISS did you kill again up in Pure Blind?
I believe its in single digits, and possibly even starts with a 'z'... In the meantime your carebears where dying by the dozen in your home constellation - great tactic
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Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: CHONGUS Why are IAC making such a big deal about using a capitol ships to mine with.? Are you guys not aware of the capitol ship mining ops your alliance holds in RNF.?
/me nods
I remember we killed several IAC carriers mining in RNF... A pair of Thanatos carriers if i remember correctly..separate occasions of course.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:31:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 29/12/2006 01:04:07
Originally by: Butter Dog As for the POS.. only God knows why they chose to unanchor it with no force protection.
It might have had something to do with thinking six hours notice for ISS to put together a small fleet (and by that I mean just 10-15 BS) to cover the swap was enough time. Obviously it was not. Six hours is an eternity in situations like this. IAC saw the oppertunity and pounced on it in one-third the time. Kudos to them.
If anything it's just made the situation more interesting. IAC still have ten ISS POS to go through in F4R, which means exposing dreads at least twenty times to take them down. That's no cake walk.
Ahhh seleene, glad to see you're also a victim of the ButterDog forum typhoon.
The defectors in ISS' intel channel were cross posting both the warnings from MC's pilots telling ISS to get organised and ISS Navy's responses.
We just read in awe, the complacency of ISS' pilots, claiming IAC had no chance, it would be fine, was sorted and that it would be a refreshing change if IAC actually contested it whatsoever.
Well, ISS got their wish and they lost out on that occasion and have been trampled in every engagement since.
Good times
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Darknesss on 29/12/2006 01:35:16 IAC > ISS without the mercs. Theyre putting up a fight, MC are tipping their hats. From what i saw at the start everyone was saying omg iac gonna get owned. They have shocked me, and im loving every minute of it, go IAC!
ISS, when ur money for mercs runs dry, or they get bored of this contract you have got them on, they will get back the outpost, and nothing will stop them taking more. If it does come to ISS vs IAC, my money is 100% on IAC.
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sakana
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:35:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Mining Moros 4TW
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Buywhore
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:38:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Buy***** on 29/12/2006 01:38:20
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Milkminer
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:38:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 29/12/2006 01:35:16 IAC > ISS without the mercs. Theyre putting up a fight, MC are tipping their hats. From what i saw at the start everyone was saying omg iac gonna get owned. They have shocked me, and im loving every minute of it, go IAC!
ISS, when ur money for mercs runs dry, or they get bored of this contract you have got them on, they will get back the outpost, and nothing will stop them taking more. If it does come to ISS vs IAC, my money is 100% on IAC.
I agree 100% with this post.
Originally by: John Moscroft Goons are a renewable resource. There are no recruitment problems.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:45:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Milkminer
Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 29/12/2006 01:35:16 IAC > ISS without the mercs. Theyre putting up a fight, MC are tipping their hats. From what i saw at the start everyone was saying omg iac gonna get owned. They have shocked me, and im loving every minute of it, go IAC!
ISS, when ur money for mercs runs dry, or they get bored of this contract you have got them on, they will get back the outpost, and nothing will stop them taking more. If it does come to ISS vs IAC, my money is 100% on IAC.
I agree 100% with this post.
Its not exactly difficult to kill dreads at well-armed deathstars, its something we are very prepared for.
If IAC commit their capital fleet (which isnt that sizeable) they would lose it. Of that much you can be 100% assured, especially when the POS exit reinforced.
So I don't really see the issue here.
If you're saying 'oh but they will run fleets into your space', well, so what? Its not like we claim the space. Its not like we mine or NPC in our outpost systems in Catch. Its not like we don't live with raiders every single day in 0.0
What exactly is it that ISS are supposed to be so scared of? They don't even own the outposts, the shareholders do. See how they react if you *seriously* threaten one.
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:53:00 -
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the issue is if IAC are still standing when u finish paying the mercs then ur outposts will be in risk. If i was them, after all u throw at them, and all the isk you have cost them i would be seeking revenge. Why not hit outposts further a field.
And to quote you on the outpost thing, you dont care if you lose them? well im sure thats very reassuring to your investors...
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 01:57:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Milkminer
Originally by: Darknesss Edited by: Darknesss on 29/12/2006 01:35:16 IAC > ISS without the mercs. Theyre putting up a fight, MC are tipping their hats. From what i saw at the start everyone was saying omg iac gonna get owned. They have shocked me, and im loving every minute of it, go IAC!
ISS, when ur money for mercs runs dry, or they get bored of this contract you have got them on, they will get back the outpost, and nothing will stop them taking more. If it does come to ISS vs IAC, my money is 100% on IAC.
I agree 100% with this post.
Its not exactly difficult to kill dreads at well-armed deathstars, its something we are very prepared for.
If IAC commit their capital fleet (which isnt that sizeable) they would lose it. Of that much you can be 100% assured, especially when the POS exit reinforced.
So I don't really see the issue here.
If you're saying 'oh but they will run fleets into your space', well, so what? Its not like we claim the space. Its not like we mine or NPC in our outpost systems in Catch. Its not like we don't live with raiders every single day in 0.0
What exactly is it that ISS are supposed to be so scared of? They don't even own the outposts, the shareholders do. See how they react if you *seriously* threaten one.
They will write it off as a bad investment and cut their losses while they can. Or they will hire god himself and smite me down where i stand, hell i don't know.
As to your ability to combat a dread assualt. 7 carriers doesn't exactly strike fear into our hearts.
We had absolutely no intention of attacking POS's today, Stealing the MC pos and putting up our own was simply us exploiting ISS's dependance in MC. Now that they won't hold your hand anymore we all wonder if you will be brave enough to cross the street.
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Frools
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 02:01:00 -
[66]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter Now that they won't hold your hand anymore we all wonder if you will be brave enough to cross the street.
i'd be surprised if they got out the door let alone across the street
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Wylker
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wylker on 29/12/2006 04:24:35 Again, it's sad to see who here is taking up the IAC banner. I look around and wonder where the people that have been in IAC for any length of time are. It is also amazing to me how on the IAC forums and in alliance mails they have been doing nothing but trying to convince their members that ISS started this conflict. It's like a weird, online, futuristic version of Animal Farm. To stretch the analogy even further, IAC has now firmly tied their ship to -A-, R-A, and Goon. Where will this ultimately lead? Do you think those alliances have any interest in the betterment of IAC? I doubt it, but I could definately be wrong.
On a side note, my hat is off to MC, once again they have shown what a well trained, professional organization can accomplish. Especially considering the average size of their fleets, they do fantastic work. o7
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:17:00 -
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This thread is both funny, and sad.
It's funny, because here's a thread that reads exactly like the threads IAC and their pirate fanbois filled the boards with weeks ago when they started their invasion of ISS outpost systems. Full of smack, chest-thumping, and all kinds of talk of taking whatever they wanted.
Fast forward three weeks -- IAC's invasion was promptly repelled, they lost a station, about a dozen outposts, and billions of isk in ships and other assets. Along the way there was an extended, official whine thread from IAC about ISS taking the fight directly back at IAC that was so embarrassing they begged to have it locked after a day or two. Now they're fighting on their own ground, ISS wolfpacks patrol IAC space at will, and IAC's logistics are a complete nightmare. (Look at a map...)
Yet, here they are, smacking away as if none of that had happened, as if they hadn't just had their arses royally kicked. It's kind of inspirational: Reality should never get in the way of good forum smack.
That's funny.
The sad part is that IAC leadership is apparently focused on turning their alliance into Priory-lite. They lost sight of the opportunity synergies with ISS in Catch could have provided. IAC leadership has been sadly lacking in maturity and really don't have much grasp of strategic thinking. That's been manifest in their dealings with ISS all along.
They can never win a war of attrition with ISS, especially now, when they are weaker then they were weeks ago when they first attacked ISS. So they cast their lot in with pirates, goonswarm and logoffskis and hope for the best. That's one fine plan.
Just think freely for a minute: what if IAC and ISS merged? IAC people would then get a stack in an expanded ISS IPO. Everyone would get use of the space. A powerful pvp presence would be there to keep the place clear. Since the stations are all local, there are no concerns about spies, alts, etc. If the shares are spread around widely enough to the various large alliances, a kind of detente could emerge. That part of Catch could be a vital economic hub in 0.0, but one grounded in economic reality and protected by real military power, not some pie-in-the-sky 0.0 for everyone vision.
Since there are always pirates, there are always things for the pvp people to do, plus no doubt from time to time some alliance will try their hand at seizing the assets and risking the detente. Those might be welcome interludes.
I realize IAC will never agree to this; the egos of the leadership would never permit it, even though their members would benefit greatly. It's just a thought experiment of something that could be.
So instead of something great, all that's left here is a minor backwater and a low-grade war, stuff that can be found anywhere in Eve. IAC can't win this war. What does "winning" even mean for them? Who knows? Their leadership has yet to say what they actually want here. All they can do is drag it out and limit the opportunities for everyone. Sad.
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 29/12/2006 04:24:35 Again, it's sad to see who here is taking up the IAC banner. I look around and wonder where the people that have been in IAC for any length of time are. It is also amazing to me how on the ISS forums and in alliance mails they have been doing nothing but trying to convince their members that IAC started this conflict.
^^ Fixed it for ya : P
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Ethan Tomlinson
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:32:00 -
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hey iss if u want to count the isk costs to both sides, why not include the many billions of isk u are shelling out to merc corps to do your dirty work!
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:45:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Smoking Mirror Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 29/12/2006 05:32:43 This thread is both funny, and sad.
It's funny, because here's a thread that reads exactly like the threads IAC and their pirate fanbois filled the boards with weeks ago when they started their invasion of ISS outpost systems. Full of smack, chest-thumping, and all kinds of talk of taking whatever they wanted.
Fast forward three weeks -- IAC's invasion was promptly repelled, they lost a station, about a dozen outposts, and billions of isk in ships and other assets. Now they're fighting on their own ground, ISS wolfpacks patrol IAC space at will, and IAC's logistics are a complete nightmare. (Look at a map...)
Yet, here they are, smacking away as if none of that had happened, as if they hadn't just had their arses royally kicked. It's kind of inspirational: Reality should never get in the way of good forum smack.
That's funny.
The sad part is that IAC leadership is apparently focused on turning their alliance into Priory-lite. They lost sight of the opportunity synergies with ISS in Catch could have provided. IAC leadership has been sadly lacking in maturity and really don't have much grasp of strategic thinking. That's been manifest in their dealings with ISS all along.
They can never win a war of attrition with ISS, especially now, when they are weaker then they were weeks ago when they first attacked ISS. So they cast their lot in with pirates, goonswarm and logoffskis and hope for the best. That's one fine plan.
Just think freely for a minute: what if IAC and ISS merged? IAC people would then get a stake in an expanded ISS IPO. Everyone would get use of the space. A powerful pvp presence would be there to keep the place clear. Since the stations are all local, there are no concerns about spies, alts, etc. If the shares are spread around widely enough to the various large alliances, a kind of detente could emerge, where attack risks attack by others (a smaller version of which IAC has already experienced...). That part of Catch could be a vital economic hub in 0.0, but one grounded in economic reality and protected by real military power, not some pie-in-the-sky 0.0 for everyone vision.
Since there are always pirates, there are always things for the pvp people to do, plus no doubt from time to time some alliance will try their hand at seizing the assets and risking the detente. Those might be welcome interludes.
I realize IAC will never agree to this; the egos of the leadership would never permit it, even though their members would benefit greatly. It's just a thought experiment of something that could be.
So instead of something great, all that's left here is a minor backwater and a low-grade war, stuff that can be found anywhere in Eve. IAC can't win this war. What does "winning" even mean for them? Who knows? Their leadership has yet to say what they actually want here. All they can do is drag it out and limit the opportunities for everyone. Sad.
We had over a dozen outposts?!
Also post with your main or stop spouting your nonsense. You have absolutely no credibility behind your statements as a 6 day old noob troll.
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Maria Ravenwind
Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:48:00 -
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Why haven't we recieved an answer from Butters about the isk spent of mercs?
Huh???
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Linavin
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror ISS wolfpacks patrol IAC space at will, and IAC's logistics are a complete nightmare. (Look at a map...)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ---
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.29 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: N Solarz Edited by: N Solarz on 29/12/2006 05:36:05
Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 29/12/2006 04:24:35 It is also amazing to me how on the ISS forums and in alliance mails they have been doing nothing but trying to convince their members that IAC started this conflict.
^^ Fixed it for ya : P
Sorry, can you refresh my memory?
-Who set who to -10 first? -Who launched a fleet-level invasion of whose outpost system first? -Whose leaders repeatedly and deliberately threatened whose outposts first?
How about earlier provocations, like sheltering pirates prone to "overview bugs"?
Look, IAC can start a war with a neighbor for whatever bad reasons it likes. But this rewriting history thing is kind of lame, isn't it?
Here's another question: Why exactly did IAC invade ISS again? "Market pvp" and the price of shuttles was most recent excuse, offered weeks after the attack. Was that serious? It's so hard to tell when people are kidding sometimes.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror This thread is both funny, and sad.
It's funny, because here's a thread that reads exactly like the threads IAC and their pirate fanbois filled the boards with weeks ago when they started their invasion of ISS outpost systems. Full of smack, chest-thumping, and all kinds of talk of taking whatever they wanted.
Fast forward three weeks -- IAC's invasion was promptly repelled, they lost a station, about a dozen outposts, and billions of isk in ships and other assets. Now they're fighting on their own ground, ISS wolfpacks patrol IAC space at will, and IAC's logistics are a complete nightmare. (Look at a map...)
Yet, here they are, smacking away as if none of that had happened, as if they hadn't just had their arses royally kicked. It's kind of inspirational: Reality should never get in the way of good forum smack.
IAC Aren't crying we know exactly what has happened, and as of today, ISS+Coalition's domination of the battlefield ended as we expected. It's now nothing but the onesided affair that it was before MC brought some order to their war. We know MC's departure from this is shortlived and will be able to tell you the moment they need to return.
Originally by: Smoking Mirror The sad part is that IAC leadership is apparently focused on turning their alliance into Priory-lite. They lost sight of the opportunity synergies with ISS in Catch could have provided. IAC leadership has been sadly lacking in maturity and really don't have much grasp of strategic thinking. That's been manifest in their dealings with ISS all along.
They can never win a war of attrition with ISS, especially now, when they are weaker then they were weeks ago when they first attacked ISS. So they cast their lot in with pirates, goonswarm and logoffskis and hope for the best. That's one fine plan. That's funny.
As to synergies, ISS spent all its time throwing its weight around (UK) and sucking up(LV) to nearby alliances that they could reap benefits from. ISS NEVER saw IAC as a neighbour, only as the competition. For this, relations soured and they refused to deal with us as they should have.
If you could guarantee a 1v1 IAC vs ISS, we would have our wish and you would be proven so utterly wrong you would need to eat your forum post monitor first.
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Just think freely for a minute: what if IAC and ISS merged? IAC people would then get a stake in an expanded ISS IPO. Everyone would get use of the space. A powerful pvp presence would be there to keep the place clear. Since the stations are all local, there are no concerns about spies, alts, etc. If the shares are spread around widely enough to the various large alliances, a kind of detente could emerge, where attack risks attack by others (a smaller version of which IAC has already experienced...). That part of Catch could be a vital economic hub in 0.0, but one grounded in economic reality and protected by real military power, not some pie-in-the-sky 0.0 for everyone vision.
I realize IAC will never agree to this; the egos of the leadership would never permit it, even though their members would benefit greatly. It's just a thought experiment of something that could be.
Nice theory, won't fly. Blame it on IAC all you like but if you can get Count Tasessine's head out of his battlehelmet and his ear off the phone to his merc buddies to save face again you might have a chance to remind him ISS is a business ideal, not a PVP alliance.
Let me also re-assure you that, as a democracy almost weekly we've asked our member corps for feedback on the situation and the support for the war effort is unanimous. IAC's leaders are merely carrying a message.
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
What does "winning" even mean for them?
Highlighting the flaws that ISS have, who they're in bed with, who they hate and how claiming 'neutrality' in this universe is IMPOSSIBLE.
PS: Post with your mains.
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shanda captison
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
Originally by: shanda captison [With this pos up and your willingness to use your dreads in places other than outside your station undock point hopefully we ll see some good action soon (dont do it in the next 3 weeks or so please, im away!).
haha, ISSN complaining about people avoiding fights? whatever next
Fights we will win > fights we wont, its called judgement.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Halafian Look, IAC can start a war with a neighbor for whatever bad reasons it likes. But this rewriting history thing is kind of lame, isn't it?
Lame like commenting on a war that your entire corp hasn't been within 40 jumps of?
By the way you'll be happy to know our northern road trip has come to an end - the disgusting lag caused by all the mission runners, and the incredible stab whorage is just... wow. Come down south and fight with the rest of your ISS buddies, EC-P is a ****hole.
Finally IAC, please start POS sieges soon, I want to see butter dogs forum whines when he realises ISS' ULTIMAET ANTI-DREAD PLAN isnt as ULTIMAET as he thinks
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 07:01:00 -
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ISS cannot defeat us on the field of battle.
For the simple reason that T2 > T1.
We sit at 160km and watch as your feably fitted t1 snipers try in vain to kill us. Even when we jump into a camp we slaughter you.
We hunt your fleet down as it tries to escape and kill even more.
ISS your leadership is bringing you farther into a war that you cannot win. Your Mercs are gone, and after what you fools did to MC id be surprised if their rates didn't go up a bit next time.
All those free t1 battleships from that SJ plan or whatever it is must be nice, but ISK cannot buy you a competant FC or victory on a battlefield.
As is the sentiment in the hearts of all true IAC, Die ISS.
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.29 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Halafian Look, IAC can start a war with a neighbor for whatever bad reasons it likes. But this rewriting history thing is kind of lame, isn't it?
Lame like commenting on a war that your entire corp hasn't been within 40 jumps of?
Check the killboards moron.
I was in F4 for close to a week, prior to going on vacation with the family. I was there when the IAC dread got ganked playing its little dock and hide game. I was there when the Bottleshop fell. A number of my corp mates made the trip also, and more will be coming. I can understand how you missed all that, what with your pirate gate camp in Litom and lurking in NPC stations miles from the real battlefield.
And great job on the trip to EC. Had fun, did you? It's kind of a rough neighborhood, but you get used to it.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Halafian Check the killboards moron.
Pretty hard when they're both private...
As for a pirate gate camp.. what makes it a pirate one? IAC is running NBSI for the duration of this war in JZV too, does that make them all pirates now?
And lastly, litom is not miles from the warzone, it's 3 jumps, and my covops alt has been in JZV area pretty much continually. I bring my main down when there's things to shoot, which isnt very often seeing as the system has either been empty or had 400+ hostiles in for the majority of the war
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.29 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Halafian Check the killboards moron.
Pretty hard when they're both private...
Then maybe you shouldn't smack when you don't have a clue?
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.29 07:28:00 -
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The FIX, MC and LV Killboards are all public, and I'm sure they all have TGRADs on them (I know FIX does) from the mixed gangs. I haven't been in Catch the last week due to holidays so I don't know if there were many mixed gangs but they were there. I was happy to be in gang with several former corp mates that week (waves to TGRADS) !
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Dwight Hammerhead
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.29 09:42:00 -
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Heh, well KIA already went home, we only had a week long pure empire contract. Still, this conflict looks interesting.
As for the mining Moros.. well LOL indeed, but I saw a screenshots of a BOB titan mining in AZN, and a dread nearby which seemed to be shooting a rock in anger as he proly forgot his trusty miner IIs.. And as I know nothing about mining - does the superweapon instantly refine all the rocks in a belt, so u just need to collect them with haulers? _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig |
maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 09:55:00 -
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Butter Dog - You do know by now, that anything less than complete ownage of the IAC dreads is unacceptable now? It's a bit dangerous being this*****y, especially since lots of ISS-members continously spout that they're not in an pvp-alliance.
Good luck to all. We'll be back soon ____________
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2006.12.29 10:03:00 -
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Interesting conflict you guys seem to have going there.
Just out of curiosity how does the node(s) hold up these days with the fleet battles? ----------
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Mirror Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 29/12/2006 05:32:43 This thread is both funny, and sad.
It's funny, because here's a thread that reads exactly like the threads IAC and their pirate fanbois filled the boards with weeks ago when they started their invasion of ISS outpost systems. Full of smack, chest-thumping, and all kinds of talk of taking whatever they wanted.
Fast forward three weeks -- IAC's invasion was promptly repelled, they lost a station, about a dozen outposts, and billions of isk in ships and other assets. Now they're fighting on their own ground, ISS wolfpacks patrol IAC space at will, and IAC's logistics are a complete nightmare. (Look at a map...)
Yet, here they are, smacking away as if none of that had happened, as if they hadn't just had their arses royally kicked. It's kind of inspirational: Reality should never get in the way of good forum smack.
That's funny.
The sad part is that IAC leadership is apparently focused on turning their alliance into Priory-lite. They lost sight of the opportunity synergies with ISS in Catch could have provided. IAC leadership has been sadly lacking in maturity and really don't have much grasp of strategic thinking. That's been manifest in their dealings with ISS all along.
They can never win a war of attrition with ISS, especially now, when they are weaker then they were weeks ago when they first attacked ISS. So they cast their lot in with pirates, goonswarm and logoffskis and hope for the best. That's one fine plan.
Just think freely for a minute: what if IAC and ISS merged? IAC people would then get a stake in an expanded ISS IPO. Everyone would get use of the space. A powerful pvp presence would be there to keep the place clear. Since the stations are all local, there are no concerns about spies, alts, etc. If the shares are spread around widely enough to the various large alliances, a kind of detente could emerge, where attack risks attack by others (a smaller version of which IAC has already experienced...). That part of Catch could be a vital economic hub in 0.0, but one grounded in economic reality and protected by real military power, not some pie-in-the-sky 0.0 for everyone vision.
Since there are always pirates, there are always things for the pvp people to do, plus no doubt from time to time some alliance will try their hand at seizing the assets and risking the detente. Those might be welcome interludes.
I realize IAC will never agree to this; the egos of the leadership would never permit it, even though their members would benefit greatly. It's just a thought experiment of something that could be.
So instead of something great, all that's left here is a minor backwater and a low-grade war, stuff that can be found anywhere in Eve. IAC can't win this war. What does "winning" even mean for them? Who knows? Their leadership has yet to say what they actually want here. All they can do is drag it out and limit the opportunities for everyone. Sad.
I hear people talking about how iac are doomed and where are the older iac members.. We are all here we just dont take to answering to alts very often, If this is your main then i apologise but if it is an alt grow a pair post with your main or dont at all. Lets not turn this into a smacktalking thread, My post was simply an update for some of those who are watching this war on the forums.
Now iac and iss merging? Never ever gonna happen i dont think iac will ever even nap iss. I can gurantee you this iss will never take our space not without every merc and there buddy`s lv thats for damn sure and if by any tiny chance that we do loose our space do you really believe iac will simply vanish?Ha.All that will happen then is you will have a couple hundread angry drunks attacking you wherever you go. You and iss talk aabout our forums aswell. you think we allow any important info into the general forums :) that makes me laugh IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.29 11:18:00 -
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Just for note...
KIA have a bored cap fleet sat around doing nuthin ;)
Interesting conflict for sure.
I dont see a clear winner yet. And I do get the feeling this will end up with some sort of peace and agreeable treaty, but time will tell. If it goes the distance.... its a 60/40 situ at worst
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade Interesting conflict you guys seem to have going there.
Just out of curiosity how does the node(s) hold up these days with the fleet battles?
I don't think we've had a node crash yet. A bit of lag when two fleets run into each other but nothing as bad as it was in 9UY.
I was wondering, why we hadn't had an 'OMG ISS Suck' thread in a while. I'll restate - ISS didn't want this fight. When IAC, with an outpost _one jump_ from Tycho declared ISS KOS and indicated they were going after outposts held in Catch, then it'd be negligent to _not_ put a lot of effort into the defense of it. Does that mean a worse position overall? Hard to say, at least this way the fight is over F4 at the moment.
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.29 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus I was wondering, why we hadn't had an 'OMG ISS Suck' thread in a while.
Because everyone already knows that?
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Technolisa
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.29 11:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: patteSatan
Originally by: James Lyrus I was wondering, why we hadn't had an 'OMG ISS Suck' thread in a while.
Because everyone already knows that?
so true
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Calisto Lockhart
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.29 12:10:00 -
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like other people have said, while your doing your own very unbalanced counting of costs, all those mercs costs added in plzkthxbai
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.29 12:21:00 -
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Regardless of who did what, I think it's in the interest of ISS to stop this war asap. They have shown that trying to take one of their outposts wouldn't be a walk in the park, and they should try to keep it as that and use diplomacy for the rest.
ISS's model is based on the assumption that ISS is a neutral entity, that won't help non-neutral alliance and that has no enemies besides pirates. But this conflict is putting a lot of strain on that model. They got help from a fair number of alliances, including some that travelled a fair distance to do it (Fix), they sent mercs not only against IAC but also against all the entities that might help them. Said entities aren't likely to still consider ISS as a neutral power, and given how easy it is to infiltrate ISS with alts to harm an alliance playing host to ISS, they will be persona non grata for a lot of people. Already been by Bob and others, and it will happen again.
If ISS continue like that, soon or late no alliance will permit it to enter their territories, which will put them in the position of a territory-owning alliance around their outposts, wether they want it or not, with all the risks that it implies...
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.29 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: n sx If you could guarantee a 1v1 IAC vs ISS, we would have our wish
Originally by: n sx ISS is a business ideal, not a PVP alliance.
Hmmm....it all becomes clear. Someone was looking for some easy ganks against a "business ideal".
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Admiral Fridge
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 12:31:00 -
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Isn't a Moros a mining barge!? I'd better start training for a titan then, the ultimate mining vessel.
*lights his sigar and starts reading again*
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Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:14:00 -
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Is ISS's POS in JBY in reinforced?? When and if we really add costs of pos's and stuff....don't forget to add all the pos's in f4 and the one in jby your gonna lose. I think an alliance like ISS belongs up north....it's just to shooty shooty down here....
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:27:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Shadowsword Regardless of who did what, I think it's in the interest of ISS to stop this war asap. They have shown that trying to take one of their outposts wouldn't be a walk in the park, and they should try to keep it as that and use diplomacy for the rest.
ISS's model is based on the assumption that ISS is a neutral entity, that won't help non-neutral alliance and that has no enemies besides pirates. But this conflict is putting a lot of strain on that model. They got help from a fair number of alliances, including some that travelled a fair distance to do it (Fix), they sent mercs not only against IAC but also against all the entities that might help them. Said entities aren't likely to still consider ISS as a neutral power, and given how easy it is to infiltrate ISS with alts to harm an alliance playing host to ISS, they will be persona non grata for a lot of people. Already been by Bob and others, and it will happen again.
If ISS continue like that, soon or late no alliance will permit it to enter their territories, which will put them in the position of a territory-owning alliance around their outposts, wether they want it or not, with all the risks that it implies...
This is my views, not the one of my alliance, rabble rabble...
ISS stated in like two different threads that they are no longer neutral, they only serve their shareholders (as it should be) and they are in no way influenced by the political atmosphere. I remember being corrected by ISS that they are still neutral until later others stated otherwise to the contradiction.
Both sides can only spin a story so far before someone or others contradict something.
I'm sorta confused in this.
Hell in one post Butter Dog states that they own nothing and see what the "share-holders" do when you seriously threaten their outposts.
Well ok Butter. Isn't it ISS'es duty to protect said assets? I mean if I was a shareholder I would be dishing alittle money out to help said defense cause.
To simply say that ISS doesnt care (which I sorta get that from that post) would shake my belief as a shareholder in ISS competence in the Business handling of my paid for assets.
Everyone knows (or knew) that investments into ISS projects were a sure bet money maker. Its also known that ISS makes excellent money on said projects as well. Now if it comes down to me pitching money in every week or so in defending my paid for assets, or even spending a bil here or there for mercs, I would start questioning my belief in my future projects. Hell I may even look into selling my shares and possibly cut my loses before they do become losses. Isn't it ISS'es job to protect the assets by any means necessary. Can I get a link to the new ISS Chater so I can re-educate myself?
But this war is still early, and I honestly dont know what a single share in ISS outpost in Catch fetches before and after the war. But I garentee there is probably a couple of shareholders ****ed right now on how things are looking. Then again I been wrong before...
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Calisto Lockhart like other people have said, while your doing your own very unbalanced counting of costs, all those mercs costs added in plzkthxbai
Oh come on, next someone will add Merc damage done / received. Let's please not go there. Stats are all as fake as you need them to be anyway. --
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:44:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 13:56:39
Originally by: Silvestri Is ISS's POS in JBY in reinforced?? When and if we really add costs of pos's and stuff....don't forget to add all the pos's in f4 and the one in jby your gonna lose. I think an alliance like ISS belongs up north....it's just to shooty shooty down here....
1) ISS don't even have a POS in JBY 2) Knocking POS out would require you to move your dreads outside dock range and commit them to large deathstars... something many people are very keen on seeing you do
I wonder how many of your dreads can tank 200 fighters for longer than about 30 seconds?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:46:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Why haven't we recieved an answer from Butters about the isk spent of mercs?
Huh???
We only hired MC and Veto.
We got F4 in return.
Pretty good return on investment, I'd say.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:51:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
ISS stated in like two different threads that they are no longer neutral, they only serve their shareholders (as it should be) and they are in no way influenced by the political atmosphere. I remember being corrected by ISS that they are still neutral until later others stated otherwise to the contradiction.
Both sides can only spin a story so far before someone or others contradict something.
Actually that was more because ISS was getting bored with the 'OMG NOT NEUTRAL' ranting every time ISS did something that someone else didn't like. Most especially those with something to gain by attacking ISS, and calling a counter move 'not neutral'. Typically this would be pirates getting miffed at ISS ships breaking up their gate camps.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:55:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
ISS stated in like two different threads that they are no longer neutral, they only serve their shareholders (as it should be) and they are in no way influenced by the political atmosphere. I remember being corrected by ISS that they are still neutral until later others stated otherwise to the contradiction.
Both sides can only spin a story so far before someone or others contradict something.
I'm sorta confused in this.
Hell in one post Butter Dog states that they own nothing and see what the "share-holders" do when you seriously threaten their outposts.
Well ok Butter. Isn't it ISS'es duty to protect said assets? I mean if I was a shareholder I would be dishing alittle money out to help said defense cause.
To simply say that ISS doesnt care (which I sorta get that from that post) would shake my belief as a shareholder in ISS competence in the Business handling of my paid for assets.
Everyone knows (or knew) that investments into ISS projects were a sure bet money maker. Its also known that ISS makes excellent money on said projects as well. Now if it comes down to me pitching money in every week or so in defending my paid for assets, or even spending a bil here or there for mercs, I would start questioning my belief in my future projects. Hell I may even look into selling my shares and possibly cut my loses before they do become losses. Isn't it ISS'es job to protect the assets by any means necessary. Can I get a link to the new ISS Chater so I can re-educate myself?
But this war is still early, and I honestly dont know what a single share in ISS outpost in Catch fetches before and after the war. But I garentee there is probably a couple of shareholders ****ed right now on how things are looking. Then again I been wrong before...
Well, lets see.
1) IAC declare ISS -10 on the back of some very strange reasons (market pvp, lol) 2) IAC refuse to rule out taking ISS outposts 3) IAC lose the F4 outpost in response 4) The fight is now over the F4 outpost, not shareholder-funded outposts
So I'd say that ISS have done a pretty good job of pro-actively protecting shareholder assets.
And of course, if shareholder assets are directly threatened ISS would actively protect them. Just don't be suprised if the shareholder alliances turn up too.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:01:00 -
[102]
Edited by: n sx on 29/12/2006 14:00:47
Originally by: Butter Dog
1) ISS don't even have a POS in JBY
1 Large Minmatar Tower, owned by The Flying Daggers <ISS>
I suppose that's the POS you forgot about when you sieged every IAC POS in system, with your dreadfleet. Oh .... and you weren't taking that station right?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:02:00 -
[103]
Originally by: n sx Edited by: n sx on 29/12/2006 14:00:47
Originally by: Butter Dog
1) ISS don't even have a POS in JBY
1 Large Minmatar Tower, owned by The Flying Daggers <ISS>
I suppose that's the POS you forgot about when you sieged every IAC POS in system, with your dreadfleet. Oh .... and you weren't taking that station right?
lol, whats that POS doing there
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Khermine Baddenash
Sehmy Trading
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:06:00 -
[104]
In spite of all bluster of both sides the IAC is in the predominance in their war against ISS.
a - Easy slaughters. ISSN can suppress activity of the pirate and with the aid of the rest of ISS to create speedbump effective that maintains to an aggressor behind, but to be incapable of the sustained war and the situation until the equipped fleets T2 battleships. This will have been a critical factor in the decision of the IAC to send almost unprovoked attacks.
b - Little dangerous of the revenge. The ISS is mentally, logistically and technician incapable to mount an offensive war succesful - it can use the alliances of the mercenario for that, but the number of the alliances of the mercenaries able to fight effective war of the POS is numbered on the one hand, perhaps a finger. ISSN does not have the numbers or the ability. The ISS as alliance is incapable to handle to the many concerned corporation not pvp players in a cohesiva military unit.
c) Easy victories of the public relations. The ISS are incapable to muzzle their worse soldiers and trolls of the forum, that right resource to alts badly disguised. They could have left IAC to do to idiots of themselves in the forums, with the occasional business as press launching. In place they try in each return to respond with the facts, stats, to bluster, the threats and the promises and end for above becoming even greater idiots.
The ISS had the opportunity to win the war against the IAC, accepting their total defeat in the first week in space, but bringing it in a fleet of the mercenario to take it for the moons. Instead his trolls of the forum created the greatest spectacle of the EVE, alienating to many of the ordinary pilots who supported them, and bringing the AAA inside for the publicity of attacks against the ships of capital of the MC and the LV.
Now that the MC has gone away, the ISS need to fast find to a competent ally. They need to work 23x7 in the integration of its body of the members. Also need to create a office for public relations to censor all posts in this place, and to begin to terminate members, including the fleet commanders, who post here without the authority and on the alts.
Instead IAC are finding the fair weather allys logging on again and coming for the battle. ISS corps having the POS do not understand the warfare of moons and will lose POS and reinforced timer controls over and over again. Kali makes capital ships not so easy to gank at the moons without superiority in the space and in the support. ISS will not have that superiority with two battleships in the twenty of support.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:08:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
ISS stated in like two different threads that they are no longer neutral, they only serve their shareholders (as it should be) and they are in no way influenced by the political atmosphere. I remember being corrected by ISS that they are still neutral until later others stated otherwise to the contradiction.
Both sides can only spin a story so far before someone or others contradict something.
I'm sorta confused in this.
Hell in one post Butter Dog states that they own nothing and see what the "share-holders" do when you seriously threaten their outposts.
Well ok Butter. Isn't it ISS'es duty to protect said assets? I mean if I was a shareholder I would be dishing alittle money out to help said defense cause.
To simply say that ISS doesnt care (which I sorta get that from that post) would shake my belief as a shareholder in ISS competence in the Business handling of my paid for assets.
Everyone knows (or knew) that investments into ISS projects were a sure bet money maker. Its also known that ISS makes excellent money on said projects as well. Now if it comes down to me pitching money in every week or so in defending my paid for assets, or even spending a bil here or there for mercs, I would start questioning my belief in my future projects. Hell I may even look into selling my shares and possibly cut my loses before they do become losses. Isn't it ISS'es job to protect the assets by any means necessary. Can I get a link to the new ISS Chater so I can re-educate myself?
But this war is still early, and I honestly dont know what a single share in ISS outpost in Catch fetches before and after the war. But I garentee there is probably a couple of shareholders ****ed right now on how things are looking. Then again I been wrong before...
Well, lets see.
1) IAC declare ISS -10 on the back of some very strange reasons (market pvp, lol) 2) IAC refuse to rule out taking ISS outposts 3) IAC lose the F4 outpost in response 4) The fight is now over the F4 outpost, not shareholder-funded outposts
So I'd say that ISS have done a pretty good job of pro-actively protecting shareholder assets.
And of course, if shareholder assets are directly threatened ISS would actively protect them. Just don't be suprised if the shareholder alliances turn up too.
Is it a good job taking a station, effectively exhausting any chances of negotiation? I know you have little faith in IAC, but it can't be good for business having a 1500-man alliance sitting 2 jumps away from your stations. An alliance that would love to pop every single hauler of yours on sight. An alliance that you do not have a chance to fight on your own.
I think you need to put your arms down about taking F4. If you think you can control matters with that in your possesion, you're sorely mistaken... ____________
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:21:00 -
[106]
Originally by: KIAEddZ Just for note...
KIA have a bored cap fleet sat around doing nuthin ;)
Interesting conflict for sure.
I dont see a clear winner yet. And I do get the feeling this will end up with some sort of peace and agreeable treaty, but time will tell. If it goes the distance.... its a 60/40 situ at worst
Can we pay you in Spiced Wine and Spirits?
Butter that POS in JBY is a dread trap, just becuase the leadership of ISS and MC didn't trust you enough to tell you their plans doesn't mean they didn't have any. Your just not high enough on the food chain to know much of anything usefull.
We engaged the POS yesterday with 7 dreads, completely on spur of the moment riding the success of our Fleet Victories in F4.
We faced you head on and wiped the floor with you. we are 3-0 in said engagements and it only took us an hour to get ready whereas you had 6 hours and all you could muster was 22 ships and 3 battleships
Count, I know you don't like me, but get your head out of your ass so that you can see you will not win this war.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Khermine Baddenash The ISS is mentally, logistically and technician incapable to mount an offensive war succesful
We're in a defensive position.
So your entire post and the logic behind it is flawed.
Our outpost defence doctrine is very strong, we know how to kill dreads and if anyone deploys them against POS in an outpost system, they will lose them.
ISSN is a small-ish corp of 130. Of course it can't hold back an alliance, it was never designed to do so. Mercs are part of ISS's business model - you can't remove them from the equation because if and when they are needed, they WILL be there.
They were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required. ISS is never going to run out of money to pay them. And in this game, ISK talks.
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Sameth
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:22:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Butter Dog
We only hired MC and Veto.
We got F4 in return.
Pretty good return on investment, I'd say.
Really? worth the money? Considering it was LV who actually did all the work and provided most of the capital fleet which actually took out the POS's?
Lots of talk of mercs when in reality the mercs didnt really do much, they just cost you a lot of money for little result. Lucky LV was free huh. Although considering how effective they were initially LV might want to consider moonlighting as mercs. Might be worth hiring now that MC pretty much washed up as a force in space and the others are a bit small to wage full scale POS warfare on an Alliance.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:25:00 -
[109]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
We faced you head on and wiped the floor with you. we are 3-0 in said engagements and it only took us an hour to get ready whereas you had 6 hours and all you could muster was 22 ships and 3 battleships
There were only two engagements.
In one, you outnumbered the ISS force by 2-1 but they still engaged (in my opinion it was the wrong move but I wasnt FC). We lost about 8 ships.
In the other, a few ships got popped as they left the system, about 3 I think.
Hardly decisive victories. It was a non-event.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:25:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Sameth
Originally by: Butter Dog
We only hired MC and Veto.
We got F4 in return.
Pretty good return on investment, I'd say.
Really? worth the money? Considering it was LV who actually did all the work and provided most of the capital fleet which actually took out the POS's?
Lots of talk of mercs when in reality the mercs didnt really do much, they just cost you a lot of money for little result. Lucky LV was free huh. Although considering how effective they were initially LV might want to consider moonlighting as mercs. Might be worth hiring now that MC pretty much washed up as a force in space and the others are a bit small to wage full scale POS warfare on an Alliance.
*sigh* ...... what are you talking about? Stay off EVE-O.
MC lead the assaults on IAC POS, they are far from washed up and were the backbone of the entire campaign.
LV tipped absolute battlefield superiority into the favour of the ISS coalition and assisted in the POS assaults with other 'ISS friendlies'.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:26:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sameth
Really? worth the money? Considering it was LV who actually did all the work and provided most of the capital fleet which actually took out the POS's?
Thats right, worth the money.
Didnt your leadership tell you? LV are there because they want you dead, not because ISS paid them to be there.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sameth
Originally by: Butter Dog
We only hired MC and Veto.
We got F4 in return.
Pretty good return on investment, I'd say.
Really? worth the money? Considering it was LV who actually did all the work and provided most of the capital fleet which actually took out the POS's?
Lots of talk of mercs when in reality the mercs didnt really do much, they just cost you a lot of money for little result. Lucky LV was free huh. Although considering how effective they were initially LV might want to consider moonlighting as mercs. Might be worth hiring now that MC pretty much washed up as a force in space and the others are a bit small to wage full scale POS warfare on an Alliance.
What did I tell you all about posting on here
MC where the main dread force shooting the POS when they Came out of reinforced, which is typically the most dangerous time.
LV were only there when local was at 400 and they knew that they would be safe.
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:29:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Well, lets see.
1) IAC declare ISS -10 on the back of some very strange reasons (market pvp, lol) 2) IAC refuse to rule out taking ISS outposts 3) IAC lose the F4 outpost in response 4) The fight is now over the F4 outpost, not shareholder-funded outposts
So I'd say that ISS have done a pretty good job of pro-actively protecting shareholder assets.
And of course, if shareholder assets are directly threatened ISS would actively protect them. Just don't be suprised if the shareholder alliances turn up too.
As you now blantently point in another direction to my comments and opinion to why things are they way they are. Like the expert politician you are... I was stating on the fact that if IAC takes F4 back, now said shareholders have to look back on the fact we are back to day one, and now ISS outposts are under immediate threat instead of "maybe." Not only that but ISK wasted in hiring mercs and having to do it again.
Not only this, ISS, or the ISS lacky named "Press Officer" a one man corp alt I my add, stated that the Mercs were hired by "private finances." ISS even stated that ISS didnt hire the mercs. Now ISS did hire them? More spinning or does it even matter?
Just remember while you flaunt the fact that you have F4, and then suddenly its ripped from you, and again "shareholder" assets are threatened again. Confidence from said "shareholders" will be shakey. Mark my words.
Maybe when the time comes, ISS, mercs and bedfellows will comeback and rip f4 away again, maybe then they will finish the job and take all our outposts away, and not stop like last time when AAA shows up and claims "Doesnt matter, f4 was all we wanted."
But I think that spin was used before...lets see, history states that MCFIX/Storm Armada came down, sieges G-7, fails and spins with the "Outposts were bonus we were only suppose hurt IAC." Seems like you both hire the same PR speech writers
I think ISS contracted the Mercs the first time. <---but this leads to tinfoil hats with no backing.
Lets see how the next couple weeks play out, and if we succeed in taking f4 back and start looking towards ZXIC, lets see what truely happens.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:40:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 14:40:31
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
As you now blantently point in another direction to my comments and opinion to why things are they way they are. Like the expert politician you are... I was stating on the fact that if IAC takes F4 back, now said shareholders have to look back on the fact we are back to day one, and now ISS outposts are under immediate threat instead of "maybe." Not only that but ISK wasted in hiring mercs and having to do it again.
Not only this, ISS, or the ISS lacky named "Press Officer" a one man corp alt I my add, stated that the Mercs were hired by "private finances." ISS even stated that ISS didnt hire the mercs. Now ISS did hire them? More spinning or does it even matter?
Just remember while you flaunt the fact that you have F4, and then suddenly its ripped from you, and again "shareholder" assets are threatened again. Confidence from said "shareholders" will be shakey. Mark my words.
Maybe when the time comes, ISS, mercs and bedfellows will comeback and rip f4 away again, maybe then they will finish the job and take all our outposts away, and not stop like last time when AAA shows up and claims "Doesnt matter, f4 was all we wanted."
But I think that spin was used before...lets see, history states that MCFIX/Storm Armada came down, sieges G-7, fails and spins with the "Outposts were bonus we were only suppose hurt IAC." Seems like you both hire the same PR speech writers
I think ISS contracted the Mercs the first time. <---but this leads to tinfoil hats with no backing.
Lets see how the next couple weeks play out, and if we succeed in taking f4 back and start looking towards ZXIC, lets see what truely happens.
At what point did ISS claim we didnt hire mercs? Its even written in our business plans, available publically, that we have mercs on a retainer.
As for the rest of your post, you are talking about a hypothetical scenario which hasnt happened. So its pointless getting into a discussion about some imaginary future, which by the way is very unlikely.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:42:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Press Officer on 29/12/2006 14:42:54
Quote: Lets see how the next couple weeks play out, and if we succeed in taking f4 back and start looking towards ZXIC, lets see what truely happens
Still nice to see the IAC and the Priory "omfgI'vemovedawayfromjumprangegatecampboys" still rattling on about "cough" the IAC started the war but my mom made me do it, aint we the victims.
Facts ...
1) You started the war ... 2) You failed to exclude taking "publically own stations" by force 3) You were given "numerous chances" of coming to a peacefull conclusion but decided to camp KDF/ZX 4) You lost F4
Now lets stop the waffle waffle waffle but as half of your members and leadership have already stated the above your going to look even more pathetic denying it ...
I personally think the ISS + Friends should have gone all the way and removed every system you owned ... remember for the thick and stupid .. you were the aggressor ....
So stop moaning, get round the table or I'm sure you will lose everything next time ......
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:43:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Butter Dog So its pointless getting into a discussion about some imaginary future, which by the way is very unlikely.
Noted. ISS believes we cant take F4 back. Lets see if true then
<man, they need to get internet in my room, missing the fights, damn you Iraq! Damn you to hell!>
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
Originally by: Butter Dog So its pointless getting into a discussion about some imaginary future, which by the way is very unlikely.
Noted. ISS believes we cant take F4 back. Lets see if true then
<man, they need to get internet in my room, missing the fights, damn you Iraq! Damn you to hell!>
lol
You really don't have a clue, do you.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:47:00 -
[118]
Edited by: n sx on 29/12/2006 14:48:33
Originally by: Press Officer
Facts ...
1) You started the war ... 2) You failed to exclude taking "publically own stations" by force 3) You were given "numerous chances" of coming to a peacefull conclusion but decided to camp KDF/ZX 4) You lost F4
Now lets stop the waffle waffle waffle but as half of your members and leadership have already stated the above your going to look even more pathetic denying it ...
I personally think the ISS + Friends should have gone all the way and removed every system you owned ... remember for the thick and stupid .. you were the aggressor ....
So stop moaning, get round the table or I'm sure you will lose everything next time ......
Fact: You're a spineless alt, who refuses to post on your main?
Speculation: The FRICK mute getting to you Kass?
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:48:00 -
[119]
Quote: Fact:
You're a spineless alt, who refuses to post on your main?
Nice to see you agree to the rest .... fact
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:52:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Press Officer Edited by: Press Officer on 29/12/2006 14:42:54
Quote: Lets see how the next couple weeks play out, and if we succeed in taking f4 back and start looking towards ZXIC, lets see what truely happens
Still nice to see the IAC and the Priory "omfgI'vemovedawayfromjumprangegatecampboys" still rattling on about "cough" the IAC started the war but my mom made me do it, aint we the victims.
Facts ...
1) You started the war ... 2) You failed to exclude taking "publically own stations" by force 3) You were given "numerous chances" of coming to a peacefull conclusion but decided to camp KDF/ZX 4) You lost F4
Now lets stop the waffle waffle waffle but as half of your members and leadership have already stated the above your going to look even more pathetic denying it ...
I personally think the ISS + Friends should have gone all the way and removed every system you owned ... remember for the thick and stupid .. you were the aggressor ....
So stop moaning, get round the table or I'm sure you will lose everything next time ......
Bitter much?
We must have killed you quite a few times to receive so much attention. Too bad it's only from an alt. Get some balls plz.. ____________
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:54:00 -
[121]
Hiring Mercs is not in ISS's bussiness model .. you need glasses. Let me quote it:
Build Phase Security measures include: ... - Large professional mercinary force employed for launch and defence of CONSTRUCTION PLATFORM. ...
Docking policy ... > Accepting Mercenary contracts against the ISS ...
now go claim hiring a mercenary force to take over an outpost is good for your reputation and mentioned in your charter and an act of defence (if it was, it had to be VOTED and PAYED by your shareholders, read your charter baby, oh yeah!) and whatever more idioticry you can come up with.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:56:00 -
[122]
Quote: Bitter much?
We must have killed you quite a few times to receive so much attention. Too bad it's only from an alt. Get some balls plz
Not at all ..... but the "omgIattackedtheissbutpleasecomeandhelpmemommy" is funny
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:58:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Press Officer on 29/12/2006 14:58:06
Quote: now go claim hiring a mercenary force to take over an outpost is good for your reputation and mentioned in your charter and an act of defence (if it was, it had to be VOTED and PAYED by your shareholders, read your charter baby, oh yeah!) and whatever more idioticry you can come up with.
I told you yesterday, just go back to your cave ...
Private funds paid for the Mercs ... hush and concentrate on you gate camp ... i think you missed a shuttle ... but again thats kinda a tough target for you ....... I have some mercs you could hire.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:58:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: Bitter much?
We must have killed you quite a few times to receive so much attention. Too bad it's only from an alt. Get some balls plz
Not at all ..... but the "omgIattackedtheissbutpleasecomeandhelpmemommy" is funny
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Khermine Baddenash
Sehmy Trading
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:59:00 -
[125]
Originally by: maGz Is it a good job taking a station, effectively exhausting any chances of negotiation? I know you have little faith in IAC, but it can't be good for business having a 1500-man alliance sitting 2 jumps away from your stations. An alliance that would love to pop every single hauler of yours on sight. An alliance that you do not have a chance to fight on your own.
I think you need to put your arms down about taking F4. If you think you can control matters with that in your possesion, you're sorely mistaken...
The IAC also was sorely mistaken in their initial attacks against ISS. IACunderestimated how the offensive ISS would find to another idealist of freespace attacking of them. And underestimated how the weak ISS would feel that it knows it was endangerous totally by stonger neighboring small in the PVP.
MaGZ, SOD can beat ISSN any day that you logon the teammates. ISSN must certainmost know this. How desperate the ISSN sensation when the IAC, that only fought the MC to a draw months ago, must attack them in total. The IAC calculated bad the answer of the ISS to their inevitable and total victory in the first week. The ISS made the desperate act of length in the planning, brought in the MC. In the handling of the MC in responding it calculated bad the public relations on EVE that would crate answer of the AAA. Erroneous calculations everything around.
Now allys in fairweather times such as the SOD comes for the fight and circling who the vultures in other regions now that the ISS watches in their back heel. The IAC created this mess. They complain complain they threaten. But only if the shutdown of the attackers IAC to speak can he finish happy. At the beginning of the ISS to obtain defeated totally in the war of moons since they did in the war of the space in the first week, they will go again to the war of the wallet, only greater.
The Mercenario Coallion could have gone to home. But when the ISS begin to pay them in the Motherships, how will becomes quickly in the end to finish thridly what began.
Only La Paz can be the resolution. If nondestruction mutually assured.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:59:00 -
[126]
Like you and facts ... it make perfeect sense in my mind
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:04:00 -
[127]
Edited by: maGz on 29/12/2006 15:06:17
Originally by: Press Officer Like you and facts ... it make perfeect sense in my mind
I rarely presume to know all the facts. I merely post my oppinion on the matter, and furthermore I have the balls to stand behind my oppinions by posting with my main.
You spout out endless amounts of what you like to call facts, smack SOD for no apparent reason other than you must be a bitter carebear that we killed one too many times. Alts can be fun, you are too - but stop the hating-game, it gets old really quick.
EDIT: Khermine Baddenash - I'm guessing you're not a native english-speaker (no worries, I'm not either), but I'm having troubles understanding what you're trying to say with your post ____________
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:07:00 -
[128]
Quote: I rarely presume to know all the facts. I merely post my oppinion on the matter, and furthermore I have the balls to stand behind my oppinions by posting with my main.
You spout out endless amounts of what you like to call facts, smack SOD for no apparent reason other than you must be a bitter carebear that we killed one too many times. Alts can be fun, you are too - but stop the hating-game, it gets old really quick.
I'm not an alt baby ... please post the facts ......
Now back to the war ....
So its the IAC fault and still the try to moan the ISS has done something wrong ...
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:08:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 15:08:35
Originally by: Gutsani Hiring Mercs is not in ISS's bussiness model .. you need glasses. Let me quote it:
Build Phase Security measures include: ... - Large professional mercinary force employed for launch and defence of CONSTRUCTION PLATFORM. ...
Docking policy ... > Accepting Mercenary contracts against the ISS ...
now go claim hiring a mercenary force to take over an outpost is good for your reputation and mentioned in your charter and an act of defence (if it was, it had to be VOTED and PAYED by your shareholders, read your charter baby, oh yeah!) and whatever more idioticry you can come up with.
I told you yesterday, just go back to your cave ...
You are clueless.
It IS policy to hire mercs, we can afford it easily with private finance, we will continue to do so, and no-one in ISS really cares what you or anyone else thinks about it.
I must say though, I've never heard anyone start a war and then whine and cry so much about how the party you wardec react to it. I'm so sorry if we didn't give you a war on your terms
We'll react however we like, and your opinion of how we react is of no consequence. But please, do carry on posting like we care.
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Jnr Rau
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:10:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Jnr Rau on 29/12/2006 15:15:45 Meh
Choo Choo.... <-- look for it in local cause its coming to an ISS station near you.
so butter.. you going back to pirating with all your other -10 mates in ISS or are you actually going to stay in ISS.. one day Count is going to put a leash on you cause the trolling your doing is costing ISS support, ISK and possibly even the war.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:13:00 -
[131]
Edited by: maGz on 29/12/2006 15:14:51
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 15:08:35
Originally by: Gutsani Hiring Mercs is not in ISS's bussiness model .. you need glasses. Let me quote it:
Build Phase Security measures include: ... - Large professional mercinary force employed for launch and defence of CONSTRUCTION PLATFORM. ...
Docking policy ... > Accepting Mercenary contracts against the ISS ...
now go claim hiring a mercenary force to take over an outpost is good for your reputation and mentioned in your charter and an act of defence (if it was, it had to be VOTED and PAYED by your shareholders, read your charter baby, oh yeah!) and whatever more idioticry you can come up with.
I told you yesterday, just go back to your cave ...
You are clueless.
It IS policy to hire mercs, we can afford it easily with private finance, we will continue to do so, and no-one in ISS really cares what you or anyone else thinks about it.
I must say though, I've never heard anyone start a war and then whine and cry so much about how the party you wardec react to it. I'm so sorry if we didn't give you a war on your terms
We'll react however we like, and your opinion of how we react is of no consequence. But please, do carry on posting like we care.
Quick note - Gutsani is SOD. We welcome as many hostiles into this conflict as possible (even MC 'til Seleene admitted they couldn't fight us any other way than jumping in motherships/carriers on us ). Just a quick FYI there
We defend IAC on the forums, but don't mistake us for those drunk nubtards
EDIT: I wish I could block people on forums just like ingame. Wonder how many would have blocked Press Officer by now? ____________
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:15:00 -
[132]
Originally by: maGz
We defend IAC on the forums, but don't mistake us for those drunk nubtards
lol, my mistake
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:25:00 -
[133]
Quote: We defend IAC on the forums, but don't mistake us for those drunk nubtards
Sorry ..... easy mistake to make.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:28:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Gutsani on 29/12/2006 15:29:18 You guys really are bunch of blind <censored>. I tell you how blind and clueless you are, and yet you fail to read (or understand?) what my post was all about.
Let me try again, really .. LAST time ..
You claim hiring mercs is in your charter, and yes, maybe, it is; IF IT GETS FUNDED AND APPROVED BY YOUR SHAREHOLDERS AND IS AN ACT OF DEFENCE.
Now, i read some MC smacktalker say "attack is the best defence", and maybe it is. However clueless people, butters here claimed mc was hired to take over f4 and was privately funded. I cant care less who in ISS payed for that. BUT its not in YOUR charter, so in violation with your own rules. If you cant even follow your own charter, why should someone else do it?
Why should anyone believe anything you claim? Are you still neutral? And non political? Offcourse we believe you!
Now, return to your pafethic claims and stuff, but if you dont get my point by now, you need to get some clues .. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:29:00 -
[135]
Originally by: RotatoR Edited by: RotatoR on 29/12/2006 12:25:35 This is a very important part of IAC vs ISS conflict:
Originally by: Butter Dog
What exactly is it that ISS are supposed to be so scared of? They don't even own the outposts, the shareholders do. See how they react if you *seriously* threaten one.
There is a magical word "Shareholders". It can be anyone or everyone, they have already full rights to defend their property by taking others and it`s all only about business. No politics at all...
If IAC doesn't set ISS to -10 and launch its surprise attack, smack all over the boards, and then threaten ISS outposts, then you'd still have all your property. If you have a problem with that, then it's your own leadership you need to look to.
Seriously, what do you expect ISS to do? Let you attack us? Roll over? If you don't like what might happen in a war -- don't start it.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:32:00 -
[136]
Quote: Let me try again, really .. LAST time ..
You claim hiring mercs is in your charter, and yes, maybe, it is; IF IT GETS FUNDED AND APPROVED BY YOUR SHAREHOLDERS AND IS AN ACT OF DEFENCE
And if its gets paid privately ... its "whatthe****isittodowithyounoobgatecamper"
Please move on you making yourself look silly ...... again
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:33:00 -
[137]
Your all stupid, iss Stop posting before i fine you 10m isk per post for my titan fund.
IAC go shot some chipmunks or some thing forums are bad.
Me and bek is in jita with murukan mining veldspar, run along nothing to see here....
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:48:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Press Officer
Still nice to see the IAC and the Priory "omfgI'vemovedawayfromjumprangegatecampboys" still rattling on about "cough" the IAC started the war but my mom made me do it, aint we the victims.
Facts ...
1) You started the war ... 2) You failed to exclude taking "publically own stations" by force 3) You were given "numerous chances" of coming to a peacefull conclusion but decided to camp KDF/ZX 4) You lost F4
Now lets stop the waffle waffle waffle but as half of your members and leadership have already stated the above your going to look even more pathetic denying it ...
I personally think the ISS + Friends should have gone all the way and removed every system you owned ... remember for the thick and stupid .. you were the aggressor ....
So stop moaning, get round the table or I'm sure you will lose everything next time ......
I know i shouldnt but I must make him happy...
1) You started the war ... Yep its true, we struck the first blow, a blow that should of happened in 2-3 occasions but didnt happen, leadership held us back.
2) You failed to exclude taking "publically own stations" by force
True, we said maybe and that doesnt exclude station warfare. But I think ISS wanted to go to POS tactics right away anyway. But thats Tinfoil hattery and will leave that alone. I just state that since we said maybe, it was a good enough excuse to go to pos warfare. But they are protecting assets and no qalms there.
3) You were given "numerous chances" of coming to a peacefull conclusion but decided to camp KDF/ZXIC
I remember in a particular diplomatic talk where agreements couldnt be made and Count unintentionally insulted our diplomats by saying some words about talking to lower diplomats at "our" level because he was tired. He coulda been tired and didnt mean it like that. But again I'm not on the diplomat team so I really cant say what happen. wait a sec, neither are you!
4) You lost F4
Yep we did, Oh noes...
But remember, while you continuely reinerate exactly what Butter Dog has stated on many occasions, I speak with my main, you speak with a one man corp alt.
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 15:59:00 -
[139]
Im in your systems locking down your stations.
What ya gonna do about it.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 16:11:00 -
[140]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter Im in your systems locking down your stations.
What ya gonna do about it.
Wait wait i've got this one... scream for help while tackled in your own system for 10 minutes and then die with no friendly support?
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Demens Animus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:04:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Halafian
Originally by: RotatoR Edited by: RotatoR on 29/12/2006 12:25:35 This is a very important part of IAC vs ISS conflict:
Originally by: Butter Dog
What exactly is it that ISS are supposed to be so scared of? They don't even own the outposts, the shareholders do. See how they react if you *seriously* threaten one.
There is a magical word "Shareholders". It can be anyone or everyone, they have already full rights to defend their property by taking others and it`s all only about business. No politics at all...
If IAC doesn't set ISS to -10 and launch its surprise attack, smack all over the boards, and then threaten ISS outposts, then you'd still have all your property. If you have a problem with that, then it's your own leadership you need to look to.
Seriously, what do you expect ISS to do? Let you attack us? Roll over? If you don't like what might happen in a war -- don't start it.
I heard that ISS already knew about the attack, and had been making POS placements to be absolutely sure that IAC didn't take any of its Outposts... With such preperation I wonder how is could be called a 'Suprise' Attack...
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:05:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 17:05:54
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Butter Dog
Oh, no, you're right - we lost 11 battleships in a 24 hour period, we give in. Please, take our stations
that was only the numbers for the fight were we jumped into your camp.
I lost count for the total number of kills on the day but the number was in the 4 billion damage range.
As I said, you killed 11 battleships. Please, take KDF, we're done for.
Your killboard sure does generate some pretty crazy ISK figures.
When are you going to learn that counts for nothing?
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:09:00 -
[143]
I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:10:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DHB FooFighter Im in your systems locking down your stations.
What ya gonna do about it.
lol
One crow is a system lockdown?
Ask your fellow ISS pilots, who wouldnt undock
I logged in another character just now in F4 and undocked... into clear empty space.
So, you logged in a n00b char in a shuttle just to be sure you didnt loose your ship then?
Try keeping your space clean and your systems safe, well see in the end what will happen doesnt really matter what we or you say now. Though its a funny post...
Another person who doesnt understand ISS at all.
We don't claim any space. We exist to make profit for our shareholders. Nothing you have done has had an adverse effect on this, at all. Quite the opposite.
In fact, I can tell you that the war has been very good for business so far. VERY good.
So, thanks for that.
When you understand how ISS work, try posting again. We live with roaming ganksquads in outpost systems every day (if its not you its someone else). Its never been a problem, you are achieving precisely nothing that others havent done many times.
It doesnt effect us at all.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:11:00 -
[145]
Quote: I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
And you are ..... lmao "Maelstrom Alliance" enough said....
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:13:00 -
[146]
BTW ...... Is all this forum posting IAC new attack plan .... well its a little better than the last attempt ..
At least you haven't lost a station .......... yet
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:13:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Sergio Ling I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
Ah well, im tired of arguing with that idiot, as someone once said its impossible to beat an idiot in an arguement because he will just bring you down to his level and beat you with experiance.
BD, i am very much so looking forward to shoving each and every one of your words down your throat when the time comes.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:15:00 -
[148]
Quote: BD, i am very much so looking forward to shoving each and every one of your words down your throat when the time comes.
Just like F4 **cough**
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:16:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
And you are ..... lmao "Maelstrom Alliance" enough said....
yes, nameless exploit alt, laugh away
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:18:00 -
[150]
As a casual observer ... I really do suggest IAC keep off the forums ....
I'm not getting into "who started it first" because we know that you declared war on the ISS.
But seriously guys ....... you really do make yourself look foolish with your posts.
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Royaldo
Old Farts Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:18:00 -
[151]
i dunno who is more annoying, that press officer, butter dog or miss overkill..
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:20:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Royaldo i dunno who is more annoying, that press officer, butter dog or miss overkill..
Tie? ____________
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NITROX UpAllNightGaming
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:20:00 -
[153]
Edited by: NITROX UpAllNightGaming on 29/12/2006 17:20:51 Is there actually "any" fighting in space or is the IAC offensive forum based only
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:22:00 -
[154]
Chuff chuff ....... watch out gate activation ... could be a shuttle
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Ibrich
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:28:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Press Officer Chuff chuff ....... watch out gate activation ... could be a shuttle
Oh shut it already, what you hope to acomplish I don't know, but let's keep it at your not exactly helping anyone.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:29:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Ibrich
Originally by: Press Officer Chuff chuff ....... watch out gate activation ... could be a shuttle
Oh shut it already, what you hope to acomplish I don't know, but let's keep it at your not exactly helping anyone.
Wrong char, sry mods.
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:46:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Crozon on 29/12/2006 17:47:45 Posted today by IAC member on a Public blog discussion Linkie:
Quote: Needless to say, war has been horrible for the economy. I originally thought that we'd lose a lot of ships and people would need to replace them and the necessary modules, but since we were basically in lockdown for 3 weeks, the market has been dead. Modules are being replaced by the ones that we get from ISS coalition wrecks and people are either getting free ships from the alliance or have them stockpiled. No one can mine because of unfriendlies, yet mineral prices have crashed because no one is producing. No one is buying ships, mods, or minerals. Also, we're not allowing any neutrals into our space, so the overall market has shrunk. I donĘt know if the market effects have been as bad for the ISS stations as ours.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 17:50:00 -
[158]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
BD, i am very much so looking forward to shoving each and every one of your words down your throat when the time comes.
Well I was going to try breaking the 'station camp'... but its all clear.
Again.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:05:00 -
[159]
Quote: Well I was going to try breaking the 'station camp'... but its all clear.
No its not ... the forums say so
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Tannach
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:33:00 -
[160]
Out of curiosity:
I have seen a couple of times posts by IAC about "ISS should realise they are doomed and seek to end the war". So what would it take to end this war?
-Tannach (this isnt an official post!)
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:34:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Sergio Ling I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
He is an opinionated FC who single handedly has done more damage to ISS's reputation with the EVE community with his posts here, than every other lame act performed in, around and by, ISS since its inception. And as an ex-colleague of his and a shareholder in ISS I'm getting f'ing sick to the back teeth of seeing his posts.
And I am about to get podded by Seleene for breaking our forum ban.
F.it
My7n
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tigress
Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:35:00 -
[162]
Yes, we are loosing majorly. It is a known fact. We are all hiding in stations we are about to loose and we are all loosing so much ISK we are doomed in days. Also we measure our success and our self awareness in outposts that can be taken away and abused.
Frankly we feel used and dirty now.
Wikipedia: sarcasm for the mentally challenged.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:50:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 18:50:36
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Sergio Ling I find it remarkable that BD has to respond to each and every ISS post. Is he an official represntative at all? Or is he really just an opinionated footsoldier providing the forum forces qith quoteable material?
He is an opinionated FC who single handedly has done more damage to ISS's reputation with the EVE community with his posts here, than every other lame act performed in, around and by, ISS since its inception. And as an ex-colleague of his and a shareholder in ISS I'm getting f'ing sick to the back teeth of seeing his posts.
And I am about to get podded by Seleene for breaking our forum ban.
F.it
My7n
Love you too Mynas
Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:52:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:55:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
Its one thing engaging in some banter on the forums with your war-mates.
Its quite another to say something damaging, in a serious tone.
I treat the forums as an extention of the game, its all a bit of fun. There is a line.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:58:00 -
[166]
i used to like ISS, BD changed that ^^
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.29 18:59:00 -
[167]
Is this forum fight between the ISS and MC under contract or free
BTW Does the ISS need a shareholders vote to continue
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:01:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Calisto Cody i used to like ISS, BD changed that ^^
You're an alt, no-one cares.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:02:00 -
[169]
WTS ISS Shares ..... Quickly
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:07:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Gutsani on 29/12/2006 19:09:59
Originally by: Butter Dog
Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i believe you .. NOOOT
Originally by: Butter Dog
You're an alt, no-one cares.
Your butters |
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APEXrevived
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:18:00 -
[171]
I've given up reading this thread. Although I did make it to the 4th page, which I feel is quite the accomplishment. I just want to say that I'm grateful that while this thread is full of immature flaming, my interactions with IAC in game involve smack-free local and good times.
Hopefully I'll get the chance to make it out to visit before this campaign is over. Until then I'll have fond memories of Prohibition 1.
I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy? |
Cyberflayer
Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:23:00 -
[172]
Hi, IAC vs. ISS bang-you're-dead-no-I'm-not thread. I'm a member of IAC, it's pretty obvious, I know, and as much as I like the politics of EVE, each edition of this recurring thread gets less and less political. I know saber-rattling is addictive, but these threads get very theoretical very fast. I'd just like to remind everyone involved in these threads that the high-in-the-sky posts like "you don't understand ISS" or "lols mining Moros" is doing nothing to push our war one way or another. The forums are for updating the EVE population about the progress of this war, and to persuade the population that one side is winning while the other flounders. Unfortunately, the lines have already drawn, and each side is convinced of its righteousness and invincibility. So, how about we all log onto the gameand shoot each other for once.
Then again, I'm no diplomat, director, or keystone member, and because of that, winning or losing the war matters little to me; I have little based on the outcome of this war, and I care not for forum chest-thumping from either side. However, it can go on for eternity, just so long as I get to shoot something.
Just a different point of view, for once. --- Real men structure tank.
Originally by: darth solo U are just being stupid, why shouldnt the mining lvl skill give ya 5% bonus to PRJ guns per lvl?...
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:33:00 -
[173]
Edited by: maGz on 29/12/2006 19:39:37
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Calisto Cody i used to like ISS, BD changed that ^^
You're an alt, no-one cares.
At least make sure who people are before calling them alts.
EDIT: And at that MC spat. Way to go Butters ____________
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:49:00 -
[174]
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 29/12/2006 19:39:37
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Calisto Cody i used to like ISS, BD changed that ^^
You're an alt, no-one cares.
At least make sure who people are before calling them alts.
EDIT: And at that MC spat. Way to go Butters
Yeah, well MC think AAA got involved because of the CoAD forum flame merry-go-round.
They didnt stop to think that maybe IAC approached them with a reason to get involved.
Like anyone takes this forum seriously, lol
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Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:50:00 -
[175]
I like Mynas does that count? Me and him chat in local all the time...just bull**** stuff not even related to the war....actually most of MC is very cool peoples. They're all about the job at hand and they're not *****s about it either. Oh well, the saga continues...
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:23:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Butter Dog Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
There has been nothing even semi-professional about your conduct on these forums. If you were professional enough to keep your mouth shut, you would keep your mouth shut and let your leaders do the talking. As for what you'd like to mention about MC, I strongly suggest you stick to smacking IAC and leave us out of this.
Quote: Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
If there was something about our performance on this contract that did not meet your standards... we do not care. You didn't sign our paycheck. We came, we did the job we were paid to do, and then some. The man who signed our paycheck has no complaints. Now we are leaving.
Let that be the end of it.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:29:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
There has been nothing even semi-professional about your conduct on these forums. If you were professional enough to keep your mouth shut, you would keep your mouth shut and let your leaders do the talking. As for what you'd like to mention about MC, I strongly suggest you stick to smacking IAC and leave us out of this.
Quote: Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
If there was something about our performance on this contract that did not meet your standards... we do not care. You didn't sign our paycheck. We came, we did the job we were paid to do, and then some. The man who signed our paycheck has no complaints. Now we are leaving.
Let that be the end of it.
You suck ____________
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:31:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
There has been nothing even semi-professional about your conduct on these forums. If you were professional enough to keep your mouth shut, you would keep your mouth shut and let your leaders do the talking. As for what you'd like to mention about MC, I strongly suggest you stick to smacking IAC and leave us out of this.
Quote: Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
If there was something about our performance on this contract that did not meet your standards... we do not care. You didn't sign our paycheck. We came, we did the job we were paid to do, and then some. The man who signed our paycheck has no complaints. Now we are leaving.
Let that be the end of it.
You take these forums far too seriously.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:33:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Butter Dog You take these forums far too seriously.
You're either hypocritical or ignorant, because Seleene is not alone in "taking these forums too seriously".
This is why people actually think before posting here. ----
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Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:40:00 -
[180]
Seleene has spoken....and buttdog has been pwned...
I would love to see MC shoot up ISS just out of fun like we do...hehe
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Rau'ric Fitzrovia
Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:40:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
There has been nothing even semi-professional about your conduct on these forums. If you were professional enough to keep your mouth shut, you would keep your mouth shut and let your leaders do the talking. As for what you'd like to mention about MC, I strongly suggest you stick to smacking IAC and leave us out of this.
Quote: Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
If there was something about our performance on this contract that did not meet your standards... we do not care. You didn't sign our paycheck. We came, we did the job we were paid to do, and then some. The man who signed our paycheck has no complaints. Now we are leaving.
Let that be the end of it.
You take these forums far too seriously.
Going by your ENDLESS stream of replies, so do you mate
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:50:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog Of course there are quite a few things I could mention about MC, which won't do wonders for their reputation, but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
There has been nothing even semi-professional about your conduct on these forums. If you were professional enough to keep your mouth shut, you would keep your mouth shut and let your leaders do the talking. As for what you'd like to mention about MC, I strongly suggest you stick to smacking IAC and leave us out of this.
Quote: Recommend you do the same. Lets just say my personal opinion of MC isnt what it once was, and leave it at that.
If there was something about our performance on this contract that did not meet your standards... we do not care. You didn't sign our paycheck. We came, we did the job we were paid to do, and then some. The man who signed our paycheck has no complaints. Now we are leaving.
Let that be the end of it.
You take these forums far too seriously.
We had it in Suffolk, and now BD, you bring Foot and Mouth disease to the forums
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shanda captison
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 21:03:00 -
[183]
ISSN please stop flaming in this thread.
Whats going on guys wheres the holiday spirit gone?!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 21:07:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
We had it in Suffolk, and now BD, you bring Foot and Mouth disease to the forums
I post on these forums because I enjoy it. I find the flames, the characters, the intrigue all good fun.
I don't take it in the least bit serious, and anyone who has spoken to me on vent/ts about the forums will know my true opinion of them.
Its funny that you think its a serious issue, because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Ultimately we're play pew pew spaceships, not solving world hunger, and these forums are a bit of banter outside the pew pew.
Nothing wrong with that, is there.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Karass Sayfo
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.29 21:19:00 -
[185]
Thread cleaned a little. Please refrain from actively trolling and flaming.
- Karass Sayfo _______
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Dal Thrax
Caldari House Of Troy
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Posted - 2006.12.29 21:22:00 -
[186]
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Shinjuro The first time someone told me that an ISS mining moros was killed I laughed a bit. Then they told me they were dead serious... /emote passes out laughing. The ultimate carebear.
Dreads really need a mining yield bonus when in siege :)
Nah. If they had one people would use it, and probably turn a profit off doing so.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:04:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:43:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:43:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:43:32 double post ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:00:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
ISS just gained a little respect back now that u are leaving
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Shinjuro
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:01:00 -
[191]
I guess this means you won't be giving me all the ISS iskies like you promised??
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:02:00 -
[192]
Originally by: N Solarz
ISS just gained a little respect back now that u are leaving
I'm pleased you think that, I never represented them officially I just enjoy a bit of to-and-fro on the forums.
MC on the other hand... burn
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:03:00 -
[193]
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:04:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Butter Dog
MC on the other hand... burn
Wait a second. Who are you again? ņņņņņņņņņņņņ
VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:05:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
dosn't matter what you say, i'm pretty sure everyone likes MC more then you
i predict your thread tommorow will be full of IBTL's
lets see how pychic i am \o/
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:08:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: N Solarz
ISS just gained a little respect back now that u are leaving
I'm pleased you think that, I never represented them officially I just enjoy a bit of to-and-fro on the forums.
MC on the other hand... burn
Feel free to quote me on anything I said in private!
And such begins the tale of the Bitter Dog.
Should've just dropped it, seriously. :) And us being BoB dev alts is old news. :) -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:09:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Sadist
Originally by: Butter Dog
MC on the other hand... burn
Wait a second. Who are you again?
Someone who knows enough about MC to give them a good forum slapping. Lets just say some interesting insight into a few previous 'contracts' and some details on the most recent one they would rather are not public knowledge.
Maybe next time they will think more carefully before their members send me downright rude evemails demanding I do what they say.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:09:00 -
[198]
As the world turns.....
Originally by: Crumplecorn Wow, CCP make a change that eliminates whines and there are whines about the lack of whines.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
Somebody feels the need to pirate some more.
On a side note, I tihnk people are more likely to believe Seleene and the McMonkeys over you Mr Butternuts
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:11:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Somebody feels the need to pirate some more.
On a side note, I tihnk people are more likely to believe Seleene and the McMonkeys over you Mr Butternuts
They don't have to believe me, I'll quote my sources.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:14:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Somebody feels the need to pirate some more.
On a side note, I tihnk people are more likely to believe Seleene and the McMonkeys over you Mr Butternuts
They don't have to believe me, I'll quote my sources.
like this?
<Butter_Dog> I think I will join The Priory <Butter_Dog> But maGz will not submit to me
Quoting is easily done, people still have to BELIEVE what you say
(on a side note, hands up if you believe my quote)
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wdwm Katarr
Amarr Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: wdwm Katarr on 29/12/2006 23:15:09
Originally by: Butter Dog I don't take it in the least bit serious, and anyone who has spoken to me on vent/ts about the forums will know my true opinion of them.
Its funny that you think its a serious issue, because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Originally by: Butter Dog lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/12/2006 23:17:31
Originally by: Butter Dog
Someone who knows enough about MC to give them a good forum slapping. Lets just say some interesting insight into a few previous 'contracts' and some details on the most recent one they would rather are not public knowledge.
Maybe next time they will think more carefully before their members send me downright rude evemails demanding I do what they say.
lmao.. you are going to do battle with Seleene on the forums??
GL with that, she will swallow you like a glass of water, and then you will get buried alive.
There are very few people in EVE that can mount a direct assault on MC's reputation... and you are not one of them.
What an interesting thread this turned into.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:18:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 23:21:42
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/12/2006 23:16:49
Originally by: Butter Dog
Someone who knows enough about MC to give them a good forum slapping. Lets just say some interesting insight into a few previous 'contracts' and some details on the most recent one they would rather are not public knowledge.
Maybe next time they will think more carefully before their members send me downright rude evemails demanding I do what they say.
lmao.. you are going to do battle with Seleene on the forums??
GL with that, she will swallow you like a glass of water, and then you will get buried alive.
There are very few people in EVE that can mount a direct assault on MC's repuatation... and you are not one of them.
What an interesting thread this turned into.
The problem is that there are not very many people in EVE who know what I do, and are willing to post it.
MC arent all you think they are, you know. They excel at spinning events in their favour, but a few basic facts remain which are not public knowledge.
The only reason I'm doing it is because of their approach to me. There are individuals in MC I like very much, but I'm not a member of their organisation and I refuse to be told what to do by them.
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:20:00 -
[205]
We help make F4R happen and we get slapped in the face. Our targets, the guys who have lost fracking multi-billions between both contracts have more respect for us than this guy. EVE will never cease to amaze me.
Getting the popcorn out for all this inside juicy MC info since Battlestar doesn't have any new episodes for a bit. Do we have to wait until tomorrow? I could use some good reading material this evening.
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:24:00 -
[206]
plz link the moros movie :D
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:24:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Butter Dog
MC arent all you think they are, you know.
are they actually the true JLA?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: War Bear We help make F4R happen and we get slapped in the face. Our targets, the guys who have lost fracking multi-billions between both contracts have more respect for us than this guy. EVE will never cease to amaze me.
Perhaps you should have considered all that before attempting to treat me like your runaway child. I dislike being told what to do by people who have sweet FA to do with me.
My banter with IAC on the forums is just that - banter. I've had conversations with many of their leaders in game, perfectly nice conversations, very recently. They don't have an issue with it, you guys though were so very concerned about how YOU were being percieved, and YOUR performance, that you started throwing orders around like you owned me.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:27:00 -
[209]
Ok Butter Dog, you've backed us into a corner and we'll admit our terrible secret about our contracts:
It's unbreakable MC SOP that every 3 days during a contract, all MC Dreads, Carriers and Motherships must jump back to Y-C for a 5 hour compulsory mining op, whether we need it or not. I hope the EVE community will be able to forgive us for this and yes, we are seeking profession help on this matter.
Addiction is an ugly thing people
P.S. I have some really juicy dirt on Butter Dog that will shake the EVE community and I'll be POSTING IT IN A FEW DAYS OK.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar EveTV
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Ok Butter Dog, you've backed us into a corner and we'll admit our terrible secret about our contracts:
It's unbreakable MC SOP that every 3 days during a contract, all MC Dreads, Carriers and Motherships must jump back to Y-C for a 5 hour compulsory mining op, whether we need it or not. I hope the EVE community will be able to forgive us for this and yes, we are seeking profession help on this matter.
Addiction is an ugly thing people
P.S. I have some really juicy dirt on Butter Dog that will shake the EVE community and I'll be POSTING IT IN A FEW DAYS OK.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:33:00 -
[211]
this thread delivers ___________________________________
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:33:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ikvar Ok Butter Dog, you've backed us into a corner and we'll admit our terrible secret about our contracts:
It's unbreakable MC SOP that every 3 days during a contract, all MC Dreads, Carriers and Motherships must jump back to Y-C for a 5 hour compulsory mining op, whether we need it or not. I hope the EVE community will be able to forgive us for this and yes, we are seeking profession help on this matter.
Addiction is an ugly thing people
P.S. I have some really juicy dirt on Butter Dog that will shake the EVE community and I'll be POSTING IT IN A FEW DAYS OK.
POST IT NOW!. i hate waiting.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog They don't have an issue with it, you guys though were so very concerned about how YOU were being percieved, and YOUR performance, that you started throwing orders around like you owned me.
... your circle of logic is flawed young padawan...
You have to think of it within the correct context. ISS need MC to be availabe for contracts as and when, therefore the relationship between ISS and MC is extremely important. It is more important than the relationship between ISS and Butter Dog. So... if push comes to shove and ISS have a brain cell between them, who should they chose to please?.... purely from a business point of view.
Its a no brainer isn't it.
So actually in a roundabout way, they do own you...... whilst you wear the ISS tags. Infact the behaviour of members of both MC and ISS are hostage to the business relationship the two entities share. Such a relationship overrides whatever individual liberties you think you may have.
Lets be frank..... ISS cannot afford to have a large e-peen in this conflict.... infact they can't afford an e-peen. Period. Not when they are militarily dependent on mercs and other alliances.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Ok Butter Dog, you've backed us into a corner and we'll admit our terrible secret about our contracts:
It's unbreakable MC SOP that every 3 days during a contract, all MC Dreads, Carriers and Motherships must jump back to Y-C for a 5 hour compulsory mining op, whether we need it or not. I hope the EVE community will be able to forgive us for this and yes, we are seeking profession help on this matter.
Addiction is an ugly thing people
P.S. I have some really juicy dirt on Butter Dog that will shake the EVE community and I'll be POSTING IT IN A FEW DAYS OK.
hehe
the only reason I'm not posting now is because I'm under the ISS flag for another 23 hours
trust me, thats the ONLY reason
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:40:00 -
[215]
butter quit while you are lagging behind, your aneu Jr/ alt i have intel act is really gettin on peoples nerves you are a stones throw from becoming the next big joke of eve who no one will respect...ofc you wont listen to me, juest remember this later on
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Calisto Cody butter quit while you are lagging behind, your aneu Jr/ alt i have intel act is really gettin on peoples nerves you are a stones throw from becoming the next big joke of eve who no one will respect...ofc you wont listen to me, juest remember this later on
okay, thanks Alt
PS - might want to kill a few NPC's or something, makes your character a little more 'convincing'
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:49:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ikvar Ok Butter Dog, you've backed us into a corner and we'll admit our terrible secret about our contracts:
It's unbreakable MC SOP that every 3 days during a contract, all MC Dreads, Carriers and Motherships must jump back to Y-C for a 5 hour compulsory mining op, whether we need it or not. I hope the EVE community will be able to forgive us for this and yes, we are seeking profession help on this matter.
Addiction is an ugly thing people
P.S. I have some really juicy dirt on Butter Dog that will shake the EVE community and I'll be POSTING IT IN A FEW DAYS OK.
hehe
the only reason I'm not posting now is because I'm under the ISS flag for another 23 hours
trust me, thats the ONLY reason
perhaps you should just stop posting entirely until you're out from under the ISS flag, your childish behavior on here isn't exactly helping anything is it? trying to prove to MC that you're not a childish smack ***** by acting like a childish smack ***** is pretty odd logic.
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:49:00 -
[218]
Originally by: ceaon plz link the moros movie :D
i find the movie hehe search 4twLinkage
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:51:00 -
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Hey BD, I dont care what you think and I'm not going to comment on whats being said here but I am going to say this; Calm down, take to the season and have a break.
You may not agree but there have been several people escalating their behaviour on these forums before and then realized that they needed a break, I have seen it in BoB, MC, G/D2, Curse, FU and most other big alliances. With follow up "I'm sorry posts".
You are racing down that lane really fast and its not good for you, it will eat away on the reason one play and that is to "relax". And dont say "I'm relaxed, I dont care and I dont take this serious" because that is what everybody else has said just before they pop.
So, calm down, stop careing, let others worry and get some R&R for a few weeks or something. This is not to flame you and I hope you understand that.
Happy New Year! \o/
Cheers, Lowa
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:56:00 -
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low BD, low. i have been posting here for 12months, and anyone with half a clue knows exactly who i am, its really not hard. just cba logging in the other account constantly. try lockhart
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:57:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: War Bear We help make F4R happen and we get slapped in the face. Our targets, the guys who have lost fracking multi-billions between both contracts have more respect for us than this guy. EVE will never cease to amaze me.
Perhaps you should have considered all that before attempting to treat me like your runaway child. I dislike being told what to do by people who have sweet FA to do with me.
My banter with IAC on the forums is just that - banter. I've had conversations with many of their leaders in game, perfectly nice conversations, very recently. They don't have an issue with it, you guys though were so very concerned about how YOU were being percieved, and YOUR performance, that you started throwing orders around like you owned me.
I would like to know how many IAC see what you have been posting about them as "banter" I don't think they will agree with you.
From what i've actually brought myself to read on the forums over the last week has been outright insulting let alone what you wrote in local, think you actually became the first ally i've had to block and i've been in a local with fatballs
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Gus Preston
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:03:00 -
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LOL i hate forums and butterdog smells.
Preston out
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
I would like to know how many IAC see what you have been posting about them as "banter" I don't think they will agree with you.
From what i've actually brought myself to read on the forums over the last week has been outright insulting let alone what you wrote in local, think you actually became the first ally i've had to block and i've been in a local with fatballs
Please find a single 'insulting' post I've made about IAC. All my posts have been issue-based, not personal in nature.
But you still decided that you had the right to tell what to do and not to do, and to top it all off you accused ME of being the reason AAA turned up. If you had better intel you would know exactly why they turned up.
At the end of the day, yes I'm annoyed, because I'm not a member of MC, and in your quest to blame anyone other than yourselves for failings you have used me as the AAA scapegoat. But more on that tomorrow.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
From what i've actually brought myself to read on the forums over the last week has been outright insulting let alone what you wrote in local, think you actually became the first ally i've had to block and i've been in a local with fatballs
Well that's just . I'd love to smack you Traxio because I know you don't like it, but it's just
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Feelgood on 30/12/2006 00:18:27 Shouldn't have posted nevermind.
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:23:00 -
[226]
Why must butterbean hate us. :(
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NITROX UpAllNightGaming
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:29:00 -
[227]
I would suggest that MC follow their own advice and keep professional on the forums .... I would suggest that maybe some of your members are baiting ...
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:36:00 -
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To put this in context a guy in MC who used to be in ISS mailed him privately to get him to tone it down on the forums as he thought that ISS could probably do without the Butter Dog form of PR in their quest to get help at this time. It seems that BD takes this as the whole of the MC telling him what to do, no doubt on instructions from Seleene.
Anyway it's good to see that BD will do the right thing and leave ISS putting the exposure of the heinous crimes that MC has committed against the community above fighting alongside his ISS comrades in their greatest hour of need.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:03:00 -
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So basically
Butterdog is saying that the MC suck ISS would fail without them and he's joining The Priory? and that's an official press release taken from one of these characters BD has, Mr Count T
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Layla Currie
Followers Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 30/12/2006 00:57:47
Originally by: Butter Dog Please find a single 'insulting' post I've made about IAC. All my posts have been issue-based, not personal in nature.
It's not even the content or the tone, Butter - it's the frequency and the apparent need to be ISS's mouth piece when they have perfectly capable people. You constantly claim to be just a 'soldier' yet you act like more than that.
Then again, as you said in F4R local tonight...
[20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'.
Nice to know you have contingency plans, m8!
Quote: But you still decided that you had the right to tell what to do and not to do, and to top it all off you accused ME of being the reason AAA turned up. If you had better intel you would know exactly why they turned up.
OFC I know why they turned up! I had Evil Thug and Omeega on my TS server and spoke to them directly. As for your role in it, hell yes, I think that if you had followed the lead of 95% of the rest of your alliance that there would be a lot less animosity between IAC and ISS.
Quote: At the end of the day, yes I'm annoyed, because I'm not a member of MC, and in your quest to blame anyone other than yourselves for failings you have used me as the AAA scapegoat. But more on that tomorrow.
Why wait? You have completely ignored requests and orders from your ISS leadership to shut up, so why be silent now? Our failings? Butter, over the last 18 days, my alliance has been the fulcrum of every action that led to the ISS flag being planted in F4R. We don't need a scapegoat. We accomplished exactly what we were paid to do. No more & no less.
you speak of professionalism yet you write up flame posts to bring down the credibility of others. You claim you did what you were paid to do. Um was the initial attack into JBY just charity? Que the spin on my post now cause i know it's coming.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling So basically
Butterdog is saying that the MC suck ISS would fail without them and he's joining The Priory? and that's an official press release taken from one of these characters BD has, Mr Count T
He wont be joining The Priory, end of story. ____________
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: shanda captison Also nothing will take away my respect for IAC
Same here, well for their core members anyways(having previously been a member of celts), their current leadership on the other hand...
Just hope the smack-talk stops eventually. The OP actually stated things in a rather unbiased way(as much as is possible for a warring party), it's just a shame it degenerated into this smack-fest.
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:10:00 -
[233]
This thread is getting worse and worse every day
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:10:00 -
[234]
Quote: He wont be joining The Priory, end of story.
Not unless he trains up "gatecampinlevel5shootthenoobshuttle"
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:10:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: He wont be joining The Priory, end of story.
Not unless he trains up "gatecampinlevel5shootthenoobshuttle"
Hi Mongo ____________
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:12:00 -
[236]
Guess again
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:12:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 01:12:39
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 30/12/2006 00:57:47
Originally by: Butter Dog Please find a single 'insulting' post I've made about IAC. All my posts have been issue-based, not personal in nature.
It's not even the content or the tone, Butter - it's the frequency and the apparent need to be ISS's mouth piece when they have perfectly capable people. You constantly claim to be just a 'soldier' yet you act like more than that.
Then again, as you said in F4R local tonight...
[20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'.
Nice to know you have contingency plans, m8!
You need to urgently get your facts straight. I wasnt even in F4 tonight, I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening. I havent said a single word in local.
If you're going to throw accusations about, at least have the decency to not post outright lies. It does your credibility no good at all.
Originally by: Seleene
OFC I know why they turned up! I had Evil Thug and Omeega on my TS server and spoke to them directly. As for your role in it, hell yes, I think that if you had followed the lead of 95% of the rest of your alliance that there would be a lot less animosity between IAC and ISS.
Then you will also know it has nothing to do with me.
You will additionally be acutely aware that you are s***-scared of AAA, and refuse to engage them at any price. You refused point blank. Its not an ISK thing, its a pride thing, you don't want a defeat because your precious ego can't handle it.
Originally by: Seleene
Why wait? You have completely ignored requests and orders from your ISS leadership to shut up, so why be silent now? Our failings? Butter, over the last 18 days, my alliance has been the fulcrum of every action that led to the ISS flag being planted in F4R. We don't need a scapegoat. We accomplished exactly what we were paid to do. No more & no less.
Actually Seleene, the orders were intitiated by MC. Count told me directly that he doesnt mind my posts on eve-o, because he knows I speak for myself and not in an official capacity. So I'm sorry I refused to obey your orders, but you have sweet FA to do with me and I could not care less what you wish for.
If you might recall, your contract was NOT just the taking of the F4 outpost. Serenity Steele was about to wire over payment for IAC's other two outposts, inf act I think he was late doing so, until AAA scared you half to death.
At that point you told ISS you would have refunded the money is it had already been paid. Way to go.
I even had to spin it on the forums, lying that F4 was the main objective to help MC save some face. I regret doing that now, I should have just told the truth right from the very beginning.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:13:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Press Officer Guess again
Didn't you say this was your main? ____________
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:22:00 -
[239]
Quote: [ 2006.12.29 20:22:33 ] DHB FooFighter > [20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'
Either DHB Foofighter made this up himself and posted it in the channel I am in with him or you are blantly lying?
Mr Foo please could you confirm if you or someone else made this up or Butter Dog wrote this in a channel himself and you then posted it in the channel?
PS: maGz pretty sure Press Officer is BD (I could be wrong)
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Pappy2
Gallente Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:24:00 -
[240]
Who cares what IAC lost as long it ****ed off butter Dog for the losses to ISS.
This does not in any way represent my corp or Alliance veiw. DLINE, WWIIONLINES FINEST IN SPACE |
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: [ 2006.12.29 20:22:33 ] DHB FooFighter > [20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'
Either DHB Foofighter made this up himself and posted it in the channel I am in with him or you are blantly lying?
Mr Foo please could you confirm if you or someone else made this up or Butter Dog wrote this in a channel himself and you then posted it in the channel?
PS: maGz pretty sure Press Officer is BD (I could be wrong)
Press officer is not me, I know exactly who it is though, as do some other people.
You'll need to try harder.
I love how MC are grasping at straws though 'quick, lets discredit him! He allegedly said he WOULDNT steal from ISS!'
Makes you look really intelligent.
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: [ 2006.12.29 20:22:33 ] DHB FooFighter > [20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'
Either DHB Foofighter made this up himself and posted it in the channel I am in with him or you are blantly lying?
Mr Foo please could you confirm if you or someone else made this up or Butter Dog wrote this in a channel himself and you then posted it in the channel?
PS: maGz pretty sure Press Officer is BD (I could be wrong)
traxio, go back a page and look at seleenes post.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: [ 2006.12.29 20:22:33 ] DHB FooFighter > [20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'
Either DHB Foofighter made this up himself and posted it in the channel I am in with him or you are blantly lying?
Mr Foo please could you confirm if you or someone else made this up or Butter Dog wrote this in a channel himself and you then posted it in the channel?
PS: maGz pretty sure Press Officer is BD (I could be wrong)
You need to be a bit careful here. While BD might have posted that in a channel (I wont comment on whether or not the quote is true or not), it was not posted by BD in F4, however Seleene makes it out to be so. Might want to clear that small mishap out Seleene.
PS: I don't think Press Officer is BD (although it could be fun if it was ) ____________
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
You will additionally be acutely aware that you are s***-scared of AAA, and refuse to engage them at any price. You refused point blank. Its not an ISK thing, its a pride thing, you don't want a defeat because your precious ego can't handle it.
Uh oh.. BD ups the ante, merc payments refused because MC can't handle AAA?
.. there is no going back now...
Also very interesting is BD's claim that he has implicit authorisation from Count T to be ISS' loudest forum warrior? and regretting having had to spin MC's refusal to go for all IAC stations. Is BD more than just a loose cannon?..... dun dun dun dun...
I kid you not, this ain't half bad stuff.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:30:00 -
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Posting for my dear CEO - Waywatcher (banned)
I simply dont get it, why dont you guys actually play the game? its much more fun than chatting crap on the forums. I love the fact that peeps just want their name and ego noticing.
MC have pulled out....... so what? im sure the only person who knows the truth is seleene so why not just ask her in a mail? why start flaming on a useless bulletin board?
Thanks MC and others for the fights (didnt have any tbh, waste of time trying to fight "mercs"). Oh and butters dude, seleene is kinda right forum whoring can be bad and have repercussions in-game. ____________
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: maGz PS: I don't think Press Officer is BD (although it could be fun if it was )
Yeah I don't think so either, but whoever he is, he did have some good intel very early on.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:30:00 -
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You got me ... Seleene my alt.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 01:33:49
Posting that comment in a local chat channel with lots of ISS present, as Seleene suggested, is clearly VERY different to posting it in a private channel. That would be seen as a threat of some kind.
The point I was making was that I WOULD NOT steal from ISS, and that was made clear. Here is another quote from that very same conversation:
[ 2006.12.30 00:45:08 ] Butter Dog > count is a really nice guy, i like him and I wont say a bad word against him or ISS
If you're going to try to smear, you'll have to do a lot better than me saying I won't steal from ISS
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:36:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Also very interesting is BD's claim that he has implicit authorisation from Count T to be ISS' loudest forum warrior?
Actually, if you re-read the above, you'll find that what BD said was that Count didn't care what BD said as he didn't represent ISS.
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Darkside101
Caldari Togakure Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Darkside101 on 30/12/2006 01:36:38
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:42:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Crozon
Actually, if you re-read the above, you'll find that what BD said was that Count didn't care what BD said as he didn't represent ISS.
rubbish.. Count T didn't get to where he is by not knowing a basic fact about forums..... what alliance members say on the forums, reflects on the alliance itself..... every alliance leader has to at some point reel in the forum whoring if it gets out of hand.
Either Count T is guilty of gross negligence in respect to BD's forum techniques.. or he tacitly approves of what he has to say.
The whole, I speak for myself and not my alliance, when speaking of alliance affairs, is the biggest lie ever told.
Everything you say on the forums can and will be used against you, your corporation, your alliance and your unborn children.
How else do you explain the proliferation of alts...
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening.
Empire, eh?
2006.12.29 21:34
Victim: Butter Dog Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Capsule System: ZXIC-7 Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ice Breaker (laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Alliance: Mercenary Coalition Corp: Contraband Inc. Ship: Crusader Weapon: Dual Light Beam Laser II
As for the comment I quoted, that was passed on to me by about five different people. Grapevine 4TL. Oh well. Sue me for slander.
Quote: You will additionally be acutely aware that you are s***-scared of AAA, and refuse to engage them at any price. You refused point blank.
100 AAA show up less than two hours before we were planning a major capital ship op and log off en masse in JBY = you're damn right I refused! Being scared is one thing. Being STUPID is quite another.
Quote: Its not an ISK thing, its a pride thing, you don't want a defeat because your precious ego can't handle it.
Actually, it IS an ISK thing. XXX amount to take F4R from IAC and known allies is one thing. XXX amount to take on the former with AAA, Goons and RA ready to jump a few dozen cap ships in on ya is something else!
I have no political stake in this. We had / have no obligation to this situation outside of what we are paid to do. Dealing with AAA was not part of the original deal and any deal to do so would require a substantial re-negotiation.
We're Mercs, Butter. Period.
Quote: Actually Seleene, the orders were intitiated by MC. Count told me directly that he doesnt mind my posts on eve-o, because he knows I speak for myself and not in an official capacity. So I'm sorry I refused to obey your orders, but you have sweet FA to do with me and I could not care less what you wish for.
Then it seems the Count and I are due for a chat. Because either he is lying to me or you are.
Quote: If you might recall, your contract was NOT just the taking of the F4 outpost.
Yes, there were plans to take all three. However, those same plans also called for a break over the holidays right after F4R fell. That break would have allowed ISS and IAC to possibly talk a bit or just gear up for more slaughter. Either way, I can't remember the last time everything went according to plan.
Quote: Serenity Steele was about to wire over payment for IAC's other two outposts, inf act I think he was late doing so, until AAA scared you half to death.
Being scared and having respect for AAA briging a new element to the equation are far different things, Butter. I'll freely admit that AAA threw one hell of a curve ball into the situation. To state otherwise would be absurd.
Quote: I even had to spin it on the forums, lying that F4 was the main objective to help MC save some face. I regret doing that now, I should have just told the truth right from the very beginning.
Butter, please, don't spin anything for MC anymore. Okay? -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Crozon
Actually, if you re-read the above, you'll find that what BD said was that Count didn't care what BD said as he didn't represent ISS.
rubbish.. Count T didn't get to where he is by not knowing a basic fact about forums..... what alliance members say on the forums, reflects on the alliance itself..... every alliance leader has to at some point reel in the forum whoring if it gets out of hand.
Either Count T is guilty of gross negligence in respect to BD's forum techniques.. or he tacitly approves of what he has to say.
The whole, I speak for myself and not my alliance, when speaking of alliance affairs, is the biggest lie ever told.
Everything you say on the forums can and will be used against you, your corporation, your alliance and your unborn children.
How else do you explain the proliferation of alts...
to be fair, I am a little wayward at times, its in my nature to be a bit of a rebel
Count really has nothing to do with this, I took it upon myself to spin it in MC's favour... until they showed their true colours, that is
oh and if you think the AAA thing is good... just wait until you hear about a previous 'contract' of theirs, which wasnt all that it seemed
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:55:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Crozon
Actually, if you re-read the above, you'll find that what BD said was that Count didn't care what BD said as he didn't represent ISS.
rubbish.. Count T didn't get to where he is by not knowing a basic fact about forums..... what alliance members say on the forums, reflects on the alliance itself..... every alliance leader has to at some point reel in the forum whoring if it gets out of hand.
Either Count T is guilty of gross negligence in respect to BD's forum techniques.. or he tacitly approves of what he has to say.
The whole, I speak for myself and not my alliance, when speaking of alliance affairs, is the biggest lie ever told.
Everything you say on the forums can and will be used against you, your corporation, your alliance and your unborn children.
How else do you explain the proliferation of alts...
Actually, you have a point... For a very long time, BD was not part of ISS, so I'm guessing what he said then was not deemed to be an ISS point of view. At this very point in time, however, that's not quite true.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Count knows nothing about the current discussion.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar GTE Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:56:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Tiuwaz this thread delivers
QFT
/troll Warning: May contain flaming, trolling, swearing, typos, crimes against grammar, obscure reference to old films, in jokes, rambling, ranting and references to EvE. |
Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening.
Empire, eh?
2006.12.29 21:34
Victim: Butter Dog Alliance: Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Corp: ISS Navy Task Force Destroyed: Capsule System: ZXIC-7 Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ice Breaker (laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Alliance: Mercenary Coalition Corp: Contraband Inc. Ship: Crusader Weapon: Dual Light Beam Laser II
As for the comment I quoted, that was passed on to me by about five different people. Grapevine 4TL. Oh well. Sue me for slander.
just, lol - desperation ftl, seleene.
I clone jumped down to sell a few assets, spend all of 1 minute there.
Okay, thats it - you got me. I was in ZXIC for 1 minute, getting pod jumped back to Empire, with thanks to the MC pilot who obliged.
You really are scraping the barrel here, but do carry on, its most amusing.
Originally by: Seleene
100 AAA show up less than two hours before we were planning a major capital ship op and log off en masse in JBY = you're damn right I refused! Being scared is one thing. Being STUPID is quite another.
Come come, now. You know better than that.
Not only were you scared to engage them despite the fact we had as many CAPITAL SHIPS as they had BATTLESHIPS, you point blank refused to consider further offensive action with AAA in the picture.
Your best hope was that they would get involved with something else, though when it was made clear by Evil Thug that he would defend IAC POS, you wanted nothing more to do with it. No amount of ISK would have changed your mind.
Originally by: Seleene
Actually, it IS an ISK thing. XXX amount to take F4R from IAC and known allies is one thing. XXX amount to take on the former with AAA, Goons and RA ready to jump a few dozen cap ships in on ya is something else!
I have no political stake in this. We had / have no obligation to this situation outside of what we are paid to do. Dealing with AAA was not part of the original deal and any deal to do so would require a substantial re-negotiation.
We're Mercs, Butter. Period.
You're an ego, Seleene. You wont get drawn into difficult fights. You had it easy in F4, hundreds of support, total lockdown, meandering around in dreads without a care in the world.
As soon as things looked more balanced, you ran as fast as your legs could carry you.
Originally by: Seleene
Then it seems the Count and I are due for a chat. Because either he is lying to me or you are.
Do what you wish, I can only tell you the facts as I know them. Or put it another way: I havent been kicked from ISS, nor threatened with the boot... that I am leaving of my own accord should tell you all you need to know about this particular matter.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I lost all respect for you when you showed your true colours when the fight started looking like anything less than a cakewalk.
Originally by: Seleene
Yes, there were plans to take all three. However, those same plans also called for a break over the holidays right after F4R fell. That break would have allowed ISS and IAC to possibly talk a bit or just gear up for more slaughter. Either way, I can't remember the last time everything went according to plan.
Like the last time you tried to take on IAC, and you left because of the 'end of the contract'?
I'd love to carry on and finish the point I started making just there, you know what I'm going to say, but I find myself holding back. Though another flame and spin filled post from you, and frankly I'll spill all the beans 20 hours early.
Back to the point: when the going gets tough, MC walks. But instead of admitting 'yes, we are scared of AAA, and we wont take on a contract which involves even-odds or the realistic chance of a defeat', you spin it out and blame others, like me.
Well, its not going to work this time.
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TeoGirl
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: TeoGirl on 30/12/2006 02:10:59 BD has a point ..... I beleive this is the toughest fight MC have had, kinda really carefull pickin fights with the underdogs.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:12:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Butter Dog
lots of babble about Seleene and not fighting when outnumbered
I've fought Seleene and Co, fought with them, and lunched with a few of em. Understand this. MC bring power and doom to a fight, through experience and organisation, not so much from numbers. Look to goon for that.
And Tactics. Because you choose not to fight someone doesn't make the decision BAD. It just means that tactically, you wouldnt be happy to enter into a fight where you don't have a good advantage, and that's ok. _
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:16:00 -
[259]
BD, We've come off of contract so there is no need for you to have to work with us, you've said plenty under the ISS flag so you don't have to leave and can get right back into the fight with your alliance mates. It's a shame we didn't jump the allied dreads into JBY as that system surely didn't have a cyno generator in it, I guess if you snooze you loose.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog
lots of babble about Seleene and not fighting when outnumbered
I've fought Seleene and Co, fought with them, and lunched with a few of em. Understand this. MC bring power and doom to a fight, through experience and organisation, not so much from numbers. Look to goon for that.
And Tactics. Because you choose not to fight someone doesn't make the decision BAD. It just means that tactically, you wouldnt be happy to enter into a fight where you don't have a good advantage, and that's ok.
I think you need to re-read what I actually posted.
We're talking about actual events here, not hypotheticals. Let me tell you this: I was gagging to fight AAA. I offered ISS ISK upfront so I could take a dread into the fight and really have it out with them. It would have been fantastic.
But whatever the ISK, whatever the incentive, MC were not going to it - not then, not ever.
FEAR OF LOSING drove that decision, nothing else. Its about ego.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:20:00 -
[261]
BD - STOP TALKING
You're at a stage now where IAC, MC, and everyone either side or on the fence is laughing at you. Just go away for a bit*
*4 years _
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sergio Ling on 30/12/2006 02:22:02
Originally by: Butter Dog Let me tell you this: I was moist at the crotch to fight AAA. I offered ISS ISK upfront so I could take a dread into the fight and really have it out with them. It would have been fantastic.
Somehow i think that i'd trust Seleene's judgement over yours when deciding where to put a Dradnought _
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:22:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
And Tactics. Because you choose not to fight someone doesn't make the decision BAD. It just means that tactically, you wouldnt be happy to enter into a fight where you don't have a good advantage, and that's ok.
Well..... yes and no. Its not that easy. MC are not just some random bunch of fighters, MC bill themsleves as the best isk can buy. Their brand of firepower is calculated, measured but also devastating and has an element of gung-ho to it.
I mean look no further than Seleene's signature: (and also all the Alien sigs that were so popular)
"God loves the MC 'cause we kill everything we see."
It does not say:
"God loves the MC 'cause we only pick easy fights"
MC are the best of the best of the best, Sir !!!!
Thats the MC image.
This is important because what MC have always said is that ISK talks.... if you pay them enough ISK and "have a plan", they will do the business and live or die doing it.
I mean comeon MC aren't scared of dying...their business *is* death and destruction.
Well BD is trying to break that image......... and it makes compulsive reading.
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TeoGirl
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:24:00 -
[264]
May change MC moto to ... "we only fight with pillows (soft) but were good at it"
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling Edited by: Sergio Ling on 30/12/2006 02:22:02
Originally by: Butter Dog Let me tell you this: I was moist at the crotch to fight AAA. I offered ISS ISK upfront so I could take a dread into the fight and really have it out with them. It would have been fantastic.
Somehow i think that i'd trust Seleene's judgement over yours when deciding where to put a Dradnought
Seleenes judgement is driven by ego, protecting MC's image, the potential of losing a fight against AAA would make MC seem less 'invincible' - image is everything.
We damn well could have won that fight, we were numerically superior in every possible respect.
But its not just about that one fight. Its about a mentality, a mindset.
Oh, but the best is yet to come. While this can be debated, the very foundation and basis on which MC operate will be called into question when people find out the truth about their previous IAC contract.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:27:00 -
[266]
release it now butterdog. Or would you rather have your own thread for it?
just put a big 'THIS IS ME NOT ISS' disclaimer there, like you have for the last 6 weeks _
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:29:00 -
[267]
Can we have a 5 min bio break and pocorn refill
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 02:33:16
heh, okay
There has been much debate over who the previous employer of MC and FIX was in their first Prohibition campaign.
After all, there seemed no logical choice, IAC had not made that many enemies and the space was relatively low-value. Some even blamed ISS.
THE EMPLOYER OF MC IN THEIR FIRST PROHIBITION CONTRACT WAS:
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No-one.
MC, supposedly neutral to all unless you pay them to shoot someone, decided to 'have a go' at IAC alongside FIX for their own reasons.
Also, remember their reason for withdrawing? 'The client has finished the two week contract'... er, no. They left because it was tougher than they thought and they failed.
Spin that, Seleene.
Oh, and my source of this data? Seleene himself, in a private conversation to someone who entrusted me with the info (sorry I let it slip, nothing personal)
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:34:00 -
[269]
/ME ........ Spits out popcorn and continue to dribble coke
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar EveTV
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:34:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Butter Dog heh, okay
There has been much debate over who the previous employer of MC and FIX was in their first Prohibition campaign.
After all, there seemed no logical choice, IAC had not made that many enemies and the space was relatively low-value. Some even blamed ISS.
THE EMPLOYER OF MC IN THEIR FIRST PROHIBITION CONTRACT WAS:
...
No-one.
MC, supposedly neutral to all unless you pay them to shoot someone, decided to 'have a go' at IAC alongside FIX for their own reasons.
Also, remember their reason for withdrawing? 'The client has finished the two week contract'... er, no. They left because it was tougher than they thought and they failed.
Spin that, Seleene.
I'm pretty sure I said, about a week into that war, on IRC (that's #eve-onlione on irc.coldfront.net folks) that Eve Radio (who I was with at the time) paid for the contract.
Spin that Butterdog! _
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TeoGirl
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:35:00 -
[271]
Move on spiralJunkie and start another BoB thread
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:36:00 -
[272]
Originally by: spiralJunkie
I'm pretty sure I said, about a week into that war, on IRC (that's #eve-onlione on irc.coldfront.net folks) that Eve Radio (who I was with at the time) paid for the contract.
Spin that Butterdog!
hehe, EVE Radio... dang i knew it
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:36:00 -
[273]
Quote: Move on spiralJunkie and start another BoB thread
LMAO
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:38:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Spin that, Seleene.
Oh, and my source of this data? Seleene himself, in a private conversation to someone who entrusted me with the info (sorry I let it slip, nothing personal)
Never sure whether to laugh or feel sorry for you BD.
Really.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:39:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'd love to carry on and finish the point I started making just there, you know what I'm going to say, but I find myself holding back. Though another flame and spin filled post from you, and frankly I'll spill all the beans 20 hours early.
Weirda just figure whole thing out!!!
Istvaan, this is you most ingenious ploy yet, having BD undermine every isk of investment that ISS ever had as agent of GHSC... brilliant!!! kudos to tyraxx as well, am sure he in on it too (smart man)!
Weirda feel sorry for LV and other countless ISS investor. this quite obvious beginning of the end of ISS.
GH-SC, you are the best!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: Butter Dog
Spin that, Seleene.
Oh, and my source of this data? Seleene himself, in a private conversation to someone who entrusted me with the info (sorry I let it slip, nothing personal)
Never sure whether to laugh or feel sorry for you BD.
Really.
I feel the same about your Alliance, mate.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:41:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Butter Dog Let me tell you this: I was gagging to fight AAA. I offered ISS ISK upfront so I could take a dread into the fight and really have it out with them.
Well now you have the Revelation out the way and we're going to collapse as an alliance you have nothing to worry about and can rejoin ISS, leading your dread to victory against IAC and AAA.
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 30/12/2006 02:42:13
Quote: Istvaan, this is you most ingenious ploy yet, having BD undermine every isk of investment that ISS ever had as agent of GHSC... brilliant!!! kudos to tyraxx as well, am sure he in on it too (smart man)!
What a twist in the plot .... BD being paid by the IAC to destroy the ISS...
/me reaches for the HaganDaas and waits for the next episode.
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Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:42:00 -
[279]
Sorry to dissopoint you BD. Saw the rather healthy pay check in the corp wallet.
in fact it wasn't only a paid contract, but at the time the biggest contract in ISK value we have ever recieved.
I understand the client was more than happy with our work.
2/10 must try harder -----------------------------------------------
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:43:00 -
[280]
Well well well.. thats a pretty big accusation there BD. Knocked my socks off.. for sure.
But... while you are at it, and seeing as you 'know' so much, perhaps you can shed some light on the whole McFIX relationship, something that if I am to be honest, gives me indigestion.
I mean its oil and water.. what on earth is FIX doing tagging along with MC all the time.. I cannot figure it out.. it makes no sense.. unless they are making up the numbers which MC have been lacking, aka cannon fodder.
Throw us a bone butter dog, why is FIX following MC around like a lost puppy and what do they get out of it?
ISK, FC knowledge, conversation, TS karaoke.....? I'm lost and it just does not make sense.
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:44:00 -
[281]
Huh ... all this build up and it turns out to be another "MC has fake contracts" thread. I kinda feel like I did after watching the third Matrix. The buildup was there, then it just sorta fizzled.
3\10 would not read again.
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Envoy6
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:45:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Press Officer Guess again
Hi Raste! Still being the worst claw pilot ever and FCing LV fleets to ass-handings?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:45:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov Sorry to dissopoint you BD. Saw the rather healthy pay check in the corp wallet.
in fact it wasn't only a paid contract, but at the time the biggest contract in ISK value we have ever recieved.
I understand the client was more than happy with our work.
2/10 must try harder
Nice try, but you need to put a leash on Seleene.
He spilt the beans, and there is no going back.
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Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:46:00 -
[284]
Originally by: War Bear Huh ... all this build up and it turns out to be another "MC has fake contracts" thread. I kinda feel like I did after watching the third Matrix. The buildup was there, then it just sorta fizzled.
3\10 would not read again.
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:47:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 30/12/2006 02:47:12 This plots needs a buttler ... give me one ButterDog
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:47:00 -
[286]
Originally by: War Bear Huh ... all this build up and it turns out to be another "MC has fake contracts" thread. I kinda feel like I did after watching the third Matrix. The buildup was there, then it just sorta fizzled.
3\10 would not read again.
I see you're being briefed on damage limitation, well done.
Its not going to work this time though, there was no 'employer' for the first Prohibition. You know it, I know it, and now the rest of EVE knows it.
They also know you're s***-scared of AAA, won't fight anything less than a cakewalk, and have a chronic lack of balls at the leadership level.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:47:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Butter Dog
ISS... roaming gank squads...
you serious? pitch forks ftw?
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Naliana
Gallente Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:48:00 -
[288]
Originally by: TeoGirl May change MC moto to ... "we only fight with pillows (soft) but were good at it"
No fighting with Pillowsoft :( ~ Station Manager, ISS Fabrica, Providence Region. --
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:50:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Butter Dog Nice try, but you need to put a leash on Seleene.
He spilt the beans, and there is no going back.
So is your source going to post on here to back you up?
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Bacilius
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:52:00 -
[290]
Meanwhile, as Butterbaby creates the most interesting thread I have read this year, IAC Capital forces have removed the remaining ISS POS in JBY-06 and erected a replacement.
This was accomplished alone and without assistance or interference from any outside forces.
Thank you to all IAC pilots involved in the OP who saw fit to make their presence known in-game rather than waste their effort in this thread. Perhaps if you spend more time defending that which you openly embarrass yourself in the name of, Butters, you may have half a chance in this conflict.
To MC, it's a shame to see our honoured opponents leave the field for the moment. Best of luck in your next contract and I hope to see you in space soon. Needless to say, when we see you in space you always make the game worth playing.
To ISS, please get some sleep. You are all about to realise one very important thing about IAC... we live here.
Bac Diplomat IAC
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:53:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Butter Dog the potential of losing a fight against AAA would make MC seem less 'invincible' - image is everything.
We damn well could have won that fight, we were numerically superior in every possible respect.
LOL!!! You just made yourself look like a complete military idiot with this statement.
Holy hell! Dude, WE? Who is WE?? You mean the 2-4 ISS Dreads alongside the 20 - 25 MC/FIX/UK/Tyrell dreads? Wait a minute... Are you actually suggesting that when we dropped our cap fleet into siege mode that 30-40 AAA Dreads would not have dropped in right on top of us?
Dude, I've seen more military sense and clarity in a painting by Picasso.
Quote: Back to the point: when the going gets tough, MC walks.
Here is a point - without MC, the battleground right now would be Tycho and Marginis.
Dude, after all the sleepless nights my people put into this job, for you to have the balls to say it was a cakewalk or easy... you're living on another plane of reality, man. We gave our all on this job and all you can do is whine because some people talked mean to you?
Originally by: Butter Dog THE EMPLOYER OF MC IN THEIR FIRST PROHIBITION CONTRACT WAS:
...
No-one.
Soooo... I gave ten billion ISK to myself?
Dude, I've been very clear - the target was no IAC; it was Tyrrax. Our mandate for Prohibition I was, "Make him lose some sleep." That is it. It was a joke to our client (one person, BTW).
Now, I understand that most people in EVE live in a world about political goals and objectives, etc... Well, there are also a lot of very rich and bored people out there who sometimes just wanna blow some cash and watch the fireworks. It doesn't have to make sense but not every merc contract is going to. People with money are crazy.
So, you're saying that I told someone in a private convo that there was no client for that job? Interesting. Show me. -
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:53:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Bacilius Meanwhile, as Butterbaby creates the most interesting thread I have read this year, IAC Capital forces have removed the remaining ISS POS in JBY-06 and erected a replacement.
This was accomplished alone and without assistance or interference from any outside forces.
Thank you to all IAC pilots involved in the OP who saw fit to make their presence known in-game rather than waste their effort in this thread. Perhaps if you spend more time defending that which you openly embarrass yourself in the name of, Butters, you may have half a chance in this conflict.
To MC, it's a shame to see our honoured opponents leave the field for the moment. Best of luck in your next contract and I hope to see you in space soon. Needless to say, when we see you in space you always make the game worth playing.
To ISS, please get some sleep. You are all about to realise one very important thing about IAC... we live here.
Bac Diplomat IAC
You Win ButlerDog _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:54:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: War Bear Huh ... all this build up and it turns out to be another "MC has fake contracts" thread. I kinda feel like I did after watching the third Matrix. The buildup was there, then it just sorta fizzled.
3\10 would not read again.
I see you're being briefed on damage limitation, well done.
Its not going to work this time though, there was no 'employer' for the first Prohibition. You know it, I know it, and now the rest of EVE knows it.
They also know you're s***-scared of AAA, won't fight anything less than a cakewalk, and have a chronic lack of balls at the leadership level.
Do they now.....
The evidence is crystal clear, I have no idea how I could have missed it, thank you so much for opening my and all of Eve's eyes.
The community salutes you.
looks like I need a corp then, can I join your famous eve wide influential corp please? -----------------------------------------------
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:55:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: War Bear Huh ... all this build up and it turns out to be another "MC has fake contracts" thread. I kinda feel like I did after watching the third Matrix. The buildup was there, then it just sorta fizzled.
3\10 would not read again.
I see you're being briefed on damage limitation, well done.
Its not going to work this time though, there was no 'employer' for the first Prohibition. You know it, I know it, and now the rest of EVE knows it.
They also know you're s***-scared of AAA, won't fight anything less than a cakewalk, and have a chronic lack of balls at the leadership level.
Do they now.....
The evidence is crystal clear, I have no idea how I could have missed it, thank you so much for opening my and all of Eve's eyes.
The community salutes you.
looks like I need a corp then, can I join your famous eve wide influential corp please?
Yes you can _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
TeoGirl
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:57:00 -
[295]
Quote: Maelstrom Alliance
I take it that that is a offer for BD ... he would fit in well.
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2006.12.30 02:59:00 -
[296]
Drama is good again.. i salute you ButterDog.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:01:00 -
[297]
argh, alts, suffocating my bad jokes... _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:02:00 -
[298]
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 30/12/2006 03:02:49
Originally by: Nez Perces
Well well well.. thats a pretty big accusation there BD. Knocked my socks off.. for sure.
But... while you are at it, and seeing as you 'know' so much, perhaps you can shed some light on the whole McFIX relationship, something that if I am to be honest, gives me indigestion.
I mean its oil and water.. what on earth is FIX doing tagging along with MC all the time.. I cannot figure it out.. it makes no sense.. unless they are making up the numbers which MC have been lacking, aka cannon fodder.
Throw us a bone butter dog, why is FIX following MC around like a lost puppy and what do they get out of it?
ISK, FC knowledge, conversation, TS karaoke.....? I'm lost and it just does not make sense.
There was definitely a client in the McFix Prohibition campaign!
Seleene was the client! She paid Admentus inside the Nyx for FIX's services!
Now, I can finally release the truth, it's out there in the open :(
I'll never park a ship inside that Nyx anymore before consulting comms channels, ffs :( The horror :( -
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:02:00 -
[299]
Originally by: TeoGirl
Quote: Maelstrom Alliance
I take it that that is a offer for BD ... he would fit in well.
I think BD is more suited for the news at EVE TV, his ability to get to the bottom of every story has no equal.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:04:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Nice try, but you need to put a leash on Seleene.
He spilt the beans, and there is no going back.
To be more accurate, I think you should mention that your info comes from some guy, who supposedly talked to anouther guy...
Do you really expect someone to believe propoganda based on a game of telephone?
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:08:00 -
[301]
Quote: To be more accurate, I think you should mention that your info comes from some guy, who supposedly talked to anouther guy...
Was he a butler
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:08:00 -
[302]
IAC vs ISS threads are the best
<3 for s h i t storms and clusterfu c ks ( the real reason for the war omg ! o_0 )
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:09:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 03:16:06
Originally by: Seleene
LOL!!! You just made yourself look like a complete military idiot with this statement.
Holy hell! Dude, WE? Who is WE?? You mean the 2-4 ISS Dreads alongside the 20 - 25 MC/FIX/UK/Tyrell dreads? Wait a minute... Are you actually suggesting that when we dropped our cap fleet into siege mode that 30-40 AAA Dreads would not have dropped in right on top of us?
Dude, I've seen more military sense and clarity in a painting by Picasso.
LOL
Lets assume for one second your intuition is right about that particular fight. Please explain to me and the rest of the EVE community, why you outright REFUSED further offensive involvement with AAA in the picture.
You were scared, thats why. You fear AAA. As for the dread comment, most of the Capitals I saw when I was operating a dread on offensives came from FIX, with another 3 from TYC, another 3 from UK, and an average of 5 from you. Hardly carrying the siege.
Also, you seemed to have participation issues, much like parts of ISS I freely admit. For example, you totally messed up unanchoring your POS in F4, giving IAC a foothold in the system again. You claimed that giving a message to ISS 1 hour before downtime when no-one was online was enough notice, and without adequate force protection you STILL chose to pull down the tower, and IAC raced in and stole it from you. Poor judgement ftl.
Originally by: Seleene
Here is a point - without MC, the battleground right now would be Tycho and Marginis.
Dude, after all the sleepless nights my people put into this job, for you to have the balls to say it was a cakewalk or easy... you're living on another plane of reality, man. We gave our all on this job and all you can do is whine because some people talked mean to you?
Well lets look at the evidence:
* ISS contract MC to take 3 IAC stations * Coalition takes F4 station against zero resistance with overwhelming force * AAA turn up with 50 BS and 30 support * MC refuse further offensive involvement
Or how about the last time, when you failed again to take IAC's stations, and left claiming it was the 'end of the contract'.
Originally by: Seleene
Soooo... I gave ten billion ISK to myself?
Dude, I've been very clear - the target was no IAC; it was Tyrrax. Our mandate for Prohibition I was, "Make him lose some sleep." That is it. It was a joke to our client (one person, BTW).
Now, I understand that most people in EVE live in a world about political goals and objectives, etc... Well, there are also a lot of very rich and bored people out there who sometimes just wanna blow some cash and watch the fireworks. It doesn't have to make sense but not every merc contract is going to. People with money are crazy.
So, you're saying that I told someone in a private convo that there was no client for that job? Interesting. Show me.
Weak. Very weak.
"Someone" paid "10bn" to annoy Tyrrax. This just gets better and better. You know, I know, all of eve knows it - you and are the one who wanted to cause him some pain.
Personal dislikes should not rule professional businesses, as you are allegedly, but it seems in your case you make the odd exception.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:09:00 -
[304]
*Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:12:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Goodtime Girl Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 30/12/2006 02:42:13
Quote: Istvaan, this is you most ingenious ploy yet, having BD undermine every isk of investment that ISS ever had as agent of GHSC... brilliant!!! kudos to tyraxx as well, am sure he in on it too (smart man)!
What a twist in the plot .... BD being paid by the IAC to destroy the ISS...
/me reaches for the HaganDaas and waits for the next episode.
no - he was never paid. all social engineered... BD, the perfect stooge, and causing everyone to hate ISS and destroy all they made - had to come from within. the shareholders themself will destroy ISS.
again - think hard. Weirda now see this so perfectly clear.
GH-SC - respect.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:12:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Lorth
To be more accurate, I think you should mention that your info comes from some guy, who supposedly talked to anouther guy...
Do you really expect someone to believe propoganda based on a game of telephone?
Yup.. there is one thing lacking ofc from this whole dramafest.. proof.
Also... where is the motive?
If there was no employer, then where is the motive for Operation Prohibition?... anybody who watches CSI, knows there has to be a motive.
If there was no employer then either MC or FIX had to have political motivations for the attack... and that would mean MC is not really a merc corp.. but then FIX isn't a merc alliance either.
You know what, I think the key to all this is the MC <> FIX relationship.... what is it?
So many questions, too few answers... sigh
Oh yes and proof BD.. proof ....!!
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Dal Thrax
Caldari House Of Troy
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:12:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Actually Seleene, the orders were intitiated by MC. Count told me directly that he doesnt mind my posts on eve-o, because he knows I speak for myself and not in an official capacity. So I'm sorry I refused to obey your orders, but you have sweet FA to do with me and I could not care less what you wish for.
If you might recall, your contract was NOT just the taking of the F4 outpost. Serenity Steele was about to wire over payment for IAC's other two outposts, inf act I think he was late doing so, until AAA scared you half to death.
At that point you told ISS you would have refunded the money is it had already been paid. Way to go.
I even had to spin it on the forums, lying that F4 was the main objective to help MC save some face. I regret doing that now, I should have just told the truth right from the very beginning.
Pardon me but isn't it in the best interests of ISS not to have a wider war? After all AAA are potentially paying customers as well.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:13:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Seleene
So, you're saying that I told someone in a private convo that there was no client for that job? Interesting. Show me.
Weak. Very weak.
"Someone" paid "10bn" to annoy Tyrrax. This just gets better and better. You know, I know, all of eve knows it - you and are the one who wanted to cause him some pain.
Personal dislikes should not rule professional businesses, as you are allegedly, but it seems in your case you make the odd exception.
So show the eager public the proof that you have then.
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:13:00 -
[309]
Did the Butler pay MC
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:14:00 -
[310]
tbh if I had ten billion isk spare, I'd happily pay the MC to wind tyrrax up with it. OR maybe pay COW to do it.
i kid i kid i love you tyrrax! in the face (some more) _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:15:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu *Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:16:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu *Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
Welcome back to EVE, now uninstall WoW like I did and never return again. :)
*Waagaa feels a shiver across his spine*
The evil man himself is on the scene. -
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:17:00 -
[313]
Amusingly whilst BD is wailing at the decision not to engage the aaa capital fleet and siege a pos, apparently motivated by MC not wanting to lose because it's bad for the image.
So like, what if they had sieged, and won? And killed a load of aAa battleships? How would that look on the resumT? Hell, how would the ATTEMPT look on the resumT?
It would take brass balls of steel and only add to the reputation, I reckon.
Yet they still didn't make the call.
Go figure, maybe the odds were really THAT BAD.
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:22:00 -
[314]
I really do not want to drag tactical and strategical information and or opinions of my own into this, because for a rational discussion about the viability of a POS siege like that you'd have to think about the involved parties, their qualities, skillpoints, experience, etc.
Let's just say that numbers don't say everything.
In the end, you paid us to lead the POS sieges. We fielded a very sizable amount of cap ships on capital ops and Seleene singlehandedly led every single one of them.
As one of Seleene's military people, I know what we took into account and why we didn't do it, but if I were to lay out the whole equation here that would probably be food for 20 pages of flames, so ehm...
Yeah, we get paid to make these kind of calls because we know what we're doing. I've seen you lead ISSN fleets BD and while you're a nice guy and great for certain gangs, you do not have the experience that a lot of the people around Seleene have and that told him which things to take into account. :) -
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:23:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Butter Dog Added 1+1 together yet?
2!
i winz the thread lal
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:23:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Envoy6
Originally by: Press Officer Guess again
Hi Raste! Still being the worst claw pilot ever and FCing LV fleets to ass-handings?
Mm, that's not me, I've got no qualms posting with my main. Thanks for the love though, whoever you are.
===This is a sig=== "no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz ==============
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:23:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Seleene told someone who is a high ranking person in ISS, who passed the info to me.
Added 1+1 together yet?
Yes..... but its your reputation or his, you are gonna have to chose.
Welcome to forum hell.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:24:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Yeah, we get paid to make these kind of calls because we know what we're doing. I've seen you lead ISSN fleets BD and while you're a nice guy and great for certain gangs, you do not have the experience that a lot of the people around Seleene have and that told him which things to take into account. :)
There was a point blank refusal to engage AAA in offensive operations, don't try and spin this any other way
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:24:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I'm not going to compromise my source, that would be incredibly stupid of me.
You know it, I know it, do don't even go there.
I'm going there. Because by posting accusations as large as this one, then failing to back them up, other then saying you supposedly had a conversation with some guy who's knows someother guy, your making your self look really bad.
Really I'm only asking to help you out, honest.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:26:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Yeah, we get paid to make these kind of calls because we know what we're doing. I've seen you lead ISSN fleets BD and while you're a nice guy and great for certain gangs, you do not have the experience that a lot of the people around Seleene have and that told him which things to take into account. :)
There was a point blank refusal to engage AAA in offensive operations, don't try and spin this any other way
I would put an MC fleet counting 100 vs 100 AAA any day if the contract needs it and the numbers look reasonable. Having other parties involved in my fleet might make me take into consideration other things than just numbers: - Infiltration level - Fittings - Skillpoint - Balls - Experience - Retardness
That's the part of my post that you didn't bother quoting. :) -
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:26:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Goodtime Girl Did the Butler pay MC
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My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:26:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Butter Dog most of the Capitals I saw when I was operating a dread on offensives came from FIX, with another 3 from TYC, another 3 from UK, and an average of 5 from you. Hardly carrying the siege.
Absolute lunacy.
Originally by: Seleene So, you're saying that I told someone in a private convo that there was no client for that job? Interesting. Show me.
Weak. Very weak.
Quote: "Someone" paid "10bn" to annoy Tyrrax. This just gets better and better. You know, I know, all of eve knows it - you and are the one who wanted to cause him some pain. Personal dislikes should not rule professional businesses, as you are allegedly, but it seems in your case you make the odd exception.
Ummm... OK. You win. The last time I met him in person, my hate actually propelled me to grab a knife and attempt to cut off his ponytail. Our relationship has never been the same since.
Holy ****, dude.
As for your "source", I look forward to his statements on this matter tommorow, as does my entire alliance. -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:31:00 -
[323]
Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:32:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
no see, the part where he pwnd your 'OMGREVELATION' was where HE won the thread (or She, as some of you romantically still hold on to) _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:33:00 -
[325]
WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:34:00 -
[326]
Can we have the next installment on BoBTV .. opps ... sorry a spiralisum there.
EveTV
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Lady Ghoulia
Eternal-Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:34:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Lorth WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:37:00 -
[328]
Edited by: nickky01 on 30/12/2006 03:37:25
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Lorth WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
clearly, i already won the thread. proof is near the top of page 12
edit*
proof:
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Butter Dog Added 1+1 together yet?
2!
i winz the thread lal
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Lady Ghoulia
Eternal-Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:37:00 -
[329]
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Lorth WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
clearly, i already won the thread. proof is near the top of page 12
shiiiiit, true, you DO winz the thread
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:40:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
Sorry BD, but you didn't win anything.... at least not yet.... you made your opening statment, yes it is pretty powerful stuff, what you are saying if true could seriously tarnish MC's reputation, and possibly curtail their asking price for contracts.
But you still have to provide evidence, exhibits A and B. A for the fight that could have been won, but MC refused to engage in. B for the source of your information about Operation Prohibition.
So far you have provided neither... nothing.. no logs, TS recordings, no witnesses, expert or otherwise....
Tomorrow once you have rested, the onus will be on you to substantiate your claims... or to put it mildly you will never hear the end of it.
You don't ruin reputations like MC's without evidence.. it just doesn't happen... all you will achieve is ruining your own, or whatever is left of it.
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0Virtu0
Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:41:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
If you won the thread, the south won the Civil War.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:43:00 -
[332]
Originally by: 0Virtu0
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
If you won the thread, the south won the Civil War.
oh so now ASCN v The Darkness is called 'The Civil War'? Quite uncivil, i'd say _
My alliance doesn't know this yet, but whatever I say completely represents them, cos i'm always right |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:04:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu *Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
Welcome back to EVE, now uninstall WoW like I did and never return again. :)
*Waagaa feels a shiver across his spine*
The evil man himself is on the scene.
What do you mean welcome back.
I never left.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:05:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu *Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
Welcome back to EVE, now uninstall WoW like I did and never return again. :)
*Waagaa feels a shiver across his spine*
The evil man himself is on the scene.
What do you mean welcome back.
I never left.
I stand corrected, may WoW not consume too much of your time then. :) -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:08:00 -
[335]
Knowing Butter Dog, although he talks a lot, he usually doesn't make absurd statements without proof.. get your forum squad ready MC -
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:09:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Lorth WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
I'm not sleepy, and I clearly won the thread with my referance to the telephone game which I thought was rather funny.
Not to mention my sig pwns.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:12:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Kyguard Knowing Butter Dog, although he talks a lot, he usually doesn't make absurd statements without proof.. get your forum squad ready MC
In a way I hope your right - we can then reveal ourselves to the Jedi....
or something...
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Rapidius
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:16:00 -
[338]
I say we all kill ISS for a laff.
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Rapidius
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:17:00 -
[339]
Wheres my fkn sig gone!
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:21:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Lorth WTF? You can't just declare your self the winner, and then leave? Spoil sport, I was having a termendous amount of fun with this.
GOD TO BED LORTH I won this thread. You came 13th
I'm not sleepy, and I clearly won the thread with my referance to the telephone game which I thought was rather funny.
Not to mention my sig pwns.
it was clearly stated at the top of page 12 that i won the thread.
for the record though, i will say you came in a close second.
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:28:00 -
[341]
Edited by: elchief on 30/12/2006 04:28:50
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Forget the capital letter at beginning of sentences and forget your corp or alliance name on your avatar, but please I need paragraphs at the very least.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:29:00 -
[342]
Well, i promised myself i wasn't going to weigh in on this whole deal and get in the middle of the flame fest but..........
/me dons t3 flame retardant polychromatic suit
Since it seems that the "truth" in all this is being brought from two different angles...one from butter dog, who has been a constant thread monkey during this whole thing and a major annoyance to pretty much everyone involved....and the other from the mc forum warriors, each trying to sway the mindset of the people who frequent these forums to either A. see someone in a new light or B. keep thier shiney image
I really have no ties to iac or really had any involvement in the whole conflict down here other than shooting some lv/fix/mc guys in and around my home, i have no past dealings with either of the two entities that really matter in this (iac/iss) and could honestly care less who owns what at the end of the day.
One thing i do care about is the constant incessant crap that is being spewed by certain entities in eve to make themselves out to be the uber grown up mature group of professional individuals in eve....when the truth is far from that and alot more sad and kinda pathetic.
I was a leader in the MC, i brought my corporation Contraband Inc. INTO the MC with the thoughts much the same as what i assume the random person in eve thinks......OMG MCP WN THEY ARE TEH UBER END ALL BE ALL OF EVE! After spending some time in the alliance and on the leadership/directors boards of the alliance, watching some real contracts come and go and then also watching real hard stuff being passed over or given some outlandish and pretty much slap in the face pricing....and then taking on weak target after weak target.
Then that was coupled with the constant need for overwhelming forces for engagement, our talent in the group was amazing yet losses were always looked at as a reason NOT too fight, i personally found myself wanting to be in situations where there would be a good chance i could lose and maybe actually take some risk in eve and get that old adrenaline rush feeling of a good fight again....in order to do that i had to leave.
MC have in the past and will again in the future manufacture a reason and a "client" for what they consider to be a "fun" and fairly easy target, they will bring overwhelming forces (80 cap ships...cmon guys ) to these events and will thump thier chests, spin the forums, and find a way to keep the eve's population twisted into what they think they should be percieved as. Myself and many other ex-MC directors and leaders all know this, they may not post it as they either don't give a crap or simply don't like being flamed or spun by mc forum warriors, but it IS the way it is.
I could show some respect for MC and keep all the dirty laundry and other stuff under the table but tbh, MC show no respect for eve by pulling they lying crap they pull and all the while trying to paint themselves in the shiny manner that they attempt.
Forum warriors have at thee, i will not reply
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Jas Dor
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:44:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
Was Seleene joking when he admitted that he knew Tyrxx in RL and took at a private contract just to raz him for a couple of weeks? Sorry BD, but you didn't win anything.... at least not yet.... you made your opening statment, yes it is pretty powerful stuff, what you are saying if true could seriously tarnish MC's reputation, and possibly curtail their asking price for contracts.
But you still have to provide evidence, exhibits A and B. A for the fight that could have been won, but MC refused to engage in. B for the source of your information about Operation Prohibition.
So far you have provided neither... nothing.. no logs, TS recordings, no witnesses, expert or otherwise....
Tomorrow once you have rested, the onus will be on you to substantiate your claims... or to put it mildly you will never hear the end of it.
You don't ruin reputations like MC's without evidence.. it just doesn't happen... all you will achieve is ruining your own, or whatever is left of it.
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Julian Kirov
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 05:10:00 -
[344]
Damn, this thread delivered from page one and hasn't stopped!
*runs off to make sure the popcorn machine is still working so we all can enjoy *
Cheers though to the pilots on both sides fighting and dishing out the pew pew, may the fun continue!
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 05:14:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Jas Dor
Was Seleene joking when he admitted that he knew Tyrxx in RL and took at a private contract just to raz him for a couple of weeks?
I don't know..... but it doesn't matter whether Seleene knows Tyrrax in RL or not or whatever. What matters is two things as far as BD is concerned.
1. Provide evidence, witnesses and other material to substantiate his claim that MC will only fight a sure thing. It seems that Marovinchian above you is willing to testify that MC have in the past passed up challenging contracts for easy ones... so perhaps there is something in that side of the story after all...
Originally by: Marovinchian MC have in the past and will again in the future manufacture a reason and a "client" for what they consider to be a "fun" and fairly easy target, they will bring overwhelming forces (80 cap ships...cmon guys ) to these events and will thump thier chests, spin the forums, and find a way to keep the eve's population twisted into what they think they should be percieved as. Myself and many other ex-MC directors and leaders all know this, they may not post it as they either don't give a crap or simply don't like being flamed or spun by mc forum warriors, but it IS the way it is.
... however, this alone doesn't cut the mustard, it can be written off as sour grapes for one reason or another. For witnesses alone to clinch it, there would have to be several ex-MC whistle blowers, all with good solid combat records.. and there are plenty of those, I mean ex-MC with good combat records. Also as far as BD is concerned he needs to prove in some way that MC backed off engaging AAA in order to not suffer any losses. This part of BD's claim would need substantial time investment and an assortment of witnesses and evidence to prove. It could be done if true... and if BD can find enough persons to back him up particularly from ISS.
2. Operation Prohibition: The only thing thats gonna work here is for BD's source, if it exists, to actually back him up or allow his name to be used as proof that Seleene actually told somebody of some consequence that the whole operation was made up and that there was really no employer.
Truth is that if BD can provide all of the above.... MC are in a spot of trouble.. at least in terms of what they will be able to claim on the forums in the future.
So there is everything to play for.... but it requires some degree of effort from Mr Butter Dog, one evening of forumwhoring without much thought put into it, does not cut it.
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Kuang
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 05:16:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Marovinchian Well, i promised myself i wasn't going to weigh in on this whole deal and get in the middle of the flame fest but..........
/me dons t3 flame retardant polychromatic suit
Since it seems that the "truth" in all this is being brought from two different angles...one from butter dog, who has been a constant thread monkey during this whole thing and a major annoyance to pretty much everyone involved....and the other from the mc forum warriors, each trying to sway the mindset of the people who frequent these forums to either A. see someone in a new light or B. keep thier shiney image
I really have no ties to iac or really had any involvement in the whole conflict down here other than shooting some lv/fix/mc guys in and around my home, i have no past dealings with either of the two entities that really matter in this (iac/iss) and could honestly care less who owns what at the end of the day.
One thing i do care about is the constant incessant crap that is being spewed by certain entities in eve to make themselves out to be the uber grown up mature group of professional individuals in eve....when the truth is far from that and alot more sad and kinda pathetic.
I was a leader in the MC, i brought my corporation Contraband Inc. INTO the MC with the thoughts much the same as what i assume the random person in eve thinks......OMG MCP WN THEY ARE TEH UBER END ALL BE ALL OF EVE! After spending some time in the alliance and on the leadership/directors boards of the alliance, watching some real contracts come and go and then also watching real hard stuff being passed over or given some outlandish and pretty much slap in the face pricing....and then taking on weak target after weak target.
Then that was coupled with the constant need for overwhelming forces for engagement, our talent in the group was amazing yet losses were always looked at as a reason NOT too fight, i personally found myself wanting to be in situations where there would be a good chance i could lose and maybe actually take some risk in eve and get that old adrenaline rush feeling of a good fight again....in order to do that i had to leave.
MC have in the past and will again in the future manufacture a reason and a "client" for what they consider to be a "fun" and fairly easy target, they will bring overwhelming forces (80 cap ships...cmon guys ) to these events and will thump thier chests, spin the forums, and find a way to keep the eve's population twisted into what they think they should be percieved as. Myself and many other ex-MC directors and leaders all know this, they may not post it as they either don't give a crap or simply don't like being flamed or spun by mc forum warriors, but it IS the way it is.
I could show some respect for MC and keep all the dirty laundry and other stuff under the table but tbh, MC show no respect for eve by pulling they lying crap they pull and all the while trying to paint themselves in the shiny manner that they attempt.
Forum warriors have at thee, i will not reply
Nice Post but really MC are very effective on what they do and who they fight but to most ... it's obvious they are picky who they fight ... does it matter to me .. Nope ... but I can see BD's point about ego ( still doesn't matter to me ) .
BTW the last 5 pages have been very interesting reading compared to most of the trash posted in this forum
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:41:00 -
[347]
Edited by: ScreamingLord Sutch on 30/12/2006 06:41:04
Originally by: Nez Perces ... however, this alone doesn't cut the mustard, it can be written off as sour grapes for one reason or another. For witnesses alone to clinch it, there would have to be several ex-MC whistle blowers, all with good solid combat records.. and there are plenty of those, I mean ex-MC with good combat records.
The fact that MC only take "easy" contracts or that they invented contracts has been alluded to by several people. The last time I saw this was a TC person saying something about the BB contract. He was promptly decried as a tinfoilhat nutter by the MC forum brigade.
Do yourself a favour and look through old threads where aspects of MC are called into question by those close to the MC. If the remarks land particularly close to home then the MC forum brigade either attack the person (not the subject) or deflect the thread. Case in point here is all the people crying they clearly won the thread on page xx. Talk about anything but the topic at hand and people will probably forget the REAL reason for the thread!! (Sad to see some IAC / SOD people getting caught up in it too)
Also, I know it's a complicated topic, but why did TC, NSN and a large chunk of CONIN leave the MC? People will put up with a lot of crap if they are constantly challenged and having fun inbetween. Did MC provide that fun or did they take the easy option glamour contracts so they could exercise their well oiled forum PR machine? I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying that MC are not top rate pvp'rs, they are. I do think the forum reading public don't see farther than the Hugh banner and think "WOW, MC are uber!!" (Seriously, look at some of the contracts, Imperium (lol), Goonswatting in empire, BB and the list goes on...)
I'd kill to see some of the people from NSN or TC come here to air a bit of dirty laundry. I'd bet big ISK that they would actually confirm the gist of what Marovinchian and BD are saying. They are all respectable level headed people so the MC forum brigade would have to tread very very carefully when calling them tinfoilhatters.
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krissi79
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:49:00 -
[348]
I will prop regret posting this in the morning, but alot of alcohol and little sleep compels me
Butter you have made these forums fun again, and strangly bob agree with you in a way
On the subject on FIX being there, does CODA ring a bell.
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Raven03
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:52:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Marovinchian Well, i promised myself i wasn't going to weigh in on this whole deal and get in the middle of the flame fest but..........
/me dons t3 flame retardant polychromatic suit
Since it seems that the "truth" in all this is being brought from two different angles...one from butter dog, who has been a constant thread monkey during this whole thing and a major annoyance to pretty much everyone involved....and the other from the mc forum warriors, each trying to sway the mindset of the people who frequent these forums to either A. see someone in a new light or B. keep thier shiney image
I really have no ties to iac or really had any involvement in the whole conflict down here other than shooting some lv/fix/mc guys in and around my home, i have no past dealings with either of the two entities that really matter in this (iac/iss) and could honestly care less who owns what at the end of the day.
One thing i do care about is the constant incessant crap that is being spewed by certain entities in eve to make themselves out to be the uber grown up mature group of professional individuals in eve....when the truth is far from that and alot more sad and kinda pathetic.
I was a leader in the MC, i brought my corporation Contraband Inc. INTO the MC with the thoughts much the same as what i assume the random person in eve thinks......OMG MCP WN THEY ARE TEH UBER END ALL BE ALL OF EVE! After spending some time in the alliance and on the leadership/directors boards of the alliance, watching some real contracts come and go and then also watching real hard stuff being passed over or given some outlandish and pretty much slap in the face pricing....and then taking on weak target after weak target.
Then that was coupled with the constant need for overwhelming forces for engagement, our talent in the group was amazing yet losses were always looked at as a reason NOT too fight, i personally found myself wanting to be in situations where there would be a good chance i could lose and maybe actually take some risk in eve and get that old adrenaline rush feeling of a good fight again....in order to do that i had to leave.
MC have in the past and will again in the future manufacture a reason and a "client" for what they consider to be a "fun" and fairly easy target, they will bring overwhelming forces (80 cap ships...cmon guys ) to these events and will thump thier chests, spin the forums, and find a way to keep the eve's population twisted into what they think they should be percieved as. Myself and many other ex-MC directors and leaders all know this, they may not post it as they either don't give a crap or simply don't like being flamed or spun by mc forum warriors, but it IS the way it is.
I could show some respect for MC and keep all the dirty laundry and other stuff under the table but tbh, MC show no respect for eve by pulling they lying crap they pull and all the while trying to paint themselves in the shiny manner that they attempt.
Forum warriors have at thee, i will not reply
Go maro, Raven agrees with this message
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 07:04:00 -
[350]
In the spirit of lifting the content of this thread, I will try to tease out discussion points beyond the flaming and give my take.
1. Not fighting AAA - Part of what we offer clients is a LOT of collective experience in engagements of all kinds. So when their request is presented, one thing that I think Seleene does very well is to work with them to get it to a very achievable goal and focus. It ensures that they get their money's worth and we have a good time. We may overextend our objectives as opportunities are presented, but the mantra is "underpromise, overdeliver". Sometimes, clients are smart and heed our advice. More often than not, they aren't. In the end, this is why we focus on specific objectives under our control, because we can't control the client or the consequences of our contract. It seems very likely this was the case here with ISS.
2. MC fighting sure things - I do find it odd that part of the chorus providing this accusation are the ones who were crowing that MC was going to show once and for all that we were washed up when the conflict began. When all is said and done, F4R is in the client's hands, and we didn't lose any dreads despite putting them at risk. That is all the evidence you need - chat logs, he said/she saids, isk tallies - all moot. As for contracts in general, we pick the ones that are fun as much as anything else. Maybe some are easy, maybe some are hard, but they are mostly fun on our terms. There is all sorts of crying on these forums about how we take easy fights etc., but that is subjective, and generally the community is pretty good at seeing what is or should be an easy fight. So we leave it to them to look at the killboards and judge.
3. Fake contracts - This is old and pointless, really. How can we prove that all the contracts are valid unless our clients come forward? How can anyone prove that they're fake? And what would be the point? We can always find a buyer to hit any target, so we might as well get paid for it. This is one of those things that always leaves me scratching my head.
4. Maro's comments/Death of MC - What this really gets down to is that a while back, there was a difference of opinion internally as to what MC was about. In very simplistic terms, there were those who wanted heavy, constant action, and those who wanted something more. In the end, there was a schism within CONIN, and Maro and some others left because they preferred the former. Some of them, Maro included, have gone quite sour, which is a real shame because we all used to be friends. Most of us still in CONIN have moved on, but Maro has not, as much as we wish he would. As to his accusations, I don't want to rise to the bait, though I'm sure some of us will. What I will say is that even in CONIN before we were in MC, we took a lot of easy contracts and loved ganking as much as anyone else, so we that stayed loyal to CONIN feel like there is a lot of revisionism going on here. Still, this was what, four months ago? It's time for those that left (Revelations, HandInMouth, etc.) to let go and get on with life. We have.
5. ISS/IAC threads - It was a fascinating spectacle for a while, but really, I think everyone is looking at this uncomfortably like a boxing match that should have been stopped 3 rounds ago. I think both sides should hunker down and have it out or come to a resolution. All of the smack has been recycled and regurgitated to death. Get to the killing.
And with that, I salute you all and head off to pick up my mining lasers until BDCI's wallet goes blinky again.
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Maria Ravenwind
Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 07:18:00 -
[351]
Edited by: Maria Ravenwind on 30/12/2006 07:18:31 I find it funny that people are ragging on MC for "picking and choosing" which contracts to take. I mean, come on! How many corps/alliances are actually able to choose who they fight and under what conditions? MC have the ability to have whatever fights they want, whenever they want. I am positive that it is not that they afraid of anyone, it is a matter of smart bussiness practice. Why would you put more than you want to risk our there, if you don't have to?
On that subject, can we get an official reason from MC as to what their position in this conflict is at the moment? Unfortunately I am not able to be involved in the conflict as much as I'd like to, so I can't say first hand what the situation is, beyond what I hear in corp/alliance chat.
What is MC and their friend's new position, if it is new?
We know that both VETO (I think) and KIA are no longer involved, what about the rest? And was there a conflict between MC and their employers?
edit for proofreading
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 07:25:00 -
[352]
MC are not involved in the conflict at the moment, haven't been since we stole their POS in F4R, and were only to a limited extent for quite a while before that.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 07:52:00 -
[353]
Edited by: Marovinchian on 30/12/2006 07:56:50
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Edited by: ScreamingLord Sutch on 30/12/2006 06:41:04
Originally by: Nez Perces ... however, this alone doesn't cut the mustard, it can be written off as sour grapes for one reason or another. For witnesses alone to clinch it, there would have to be several ex-MC whistle blowers, all with good solid combat records.. and there are plenty of those, I mean ex-MC with good combat records.
Do yourself a favour and look through old threads where aspects of MC are called into question by those close to the MC. If the remarks land particularly close to home then the MC forum brigade either attack the person (not the subject) or deflect the thread.
Originally by: Witch Doctor
4. Maro's comments/Death of MC - What this really gets down to is that a while back, there was a difference of opinion internally as to what MC was about. In very simplistic terms, there were those who wanted heavy, constant action, and those who wanted something more. In the end, there was a schism within CONIN, and Maro and some others left because they preferred the former. Some of them, Maro included, have gone quite sour, which is a real shame because we all used to be friends. Most of us still in CONIN have moved on, but Maro has not, as much as we wish he would. As to his accusations, I don't want to rise to the bait, though I'm sure some of us will. What I will say is that even in CONIN before we were in MC, we took a lot of easy contracts and loved ganking as much as anyone else, so we that stayed loyal to CONIN feel like there is a lot of revisionism going on here. Still, this was what, four months ago? It's time for those that left (Revelations, HandInMouth, etc.) to let go and get on with life. We have.
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i know i really didn't want to reply to anything that developed from this....but i really lol'd at the mc guys living up to what was said that they would do.
As far as being sour, meh, i just am tired of you and yours trying to claim that your crap doesn't stink while smacking us about the way we like to do things.
Also, as far as trying to attack me personally, really sad...i at least kept it impersonal and generalized.....really sad and also pretty funny when coupled with the quote of what was expected of mc to do when called on the floor.
Might want to quit talking too/about me like i wasn't there and i have no idea what really went on, i was dead in the thick of it leading the alliance and doing the brunt of the work behind our corp's contributions...you were....where?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 08:13:06
Originally by: krissi79
On the subject on FIX being there, does CODA ring a bell.
I'm straining to remember now, IAC were part of CODA? And if they were, they were not the main instigators. That crown falls to Huzzah (mainly NoQuarter now) and what has become Roadkill Alliance. Hans Roaming was another very unpopluar figure for FIX at the time as the leader of Huzzah and the perpetrator of the 'Pearl Harbour' incident and yet FIX don't seem to mind a whole lot fighting alongside him. If FIX were still so miffed about CODA, they would be following Roadkill around and certainly wouldn't fly in gang with Hans Roaming.
Nope, CODA got very little or nothing to do with why FIX has turned up twice with MC to attack IAC.
There must be another reason.
FIX are there to make up the bulk that MC lacks.. that much is clear, the thing that has me stumped is what do FIX get out of it?
Nothing I can think of makes sense.
FC knowhow? .. well, maybe but thats something you have to do for yourself, surely. Friendship? .. MC don't have friends, they have contracts. ISS isk? .. ISS say they aren't paying them. Future outpost protection? ...They live in BoB's space and are a 1000 strong alliance. Surely they can look after 1 outpost, they got nothing else to do.
Tbh I have no idea and nothing I can think of makes much sense.
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Haargoth Agamar
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: krissi79
On the subject on FIX being there, does CODA ring a bell.
I'm straining to remember now, IAC were part of CODA? And if they were, they were not the main instigators. That crown falls to Huzzah (mainly NoQuarter) and what has become Roadkill Alliance. Hans Roaming was another very unpopluar figure for FIX at the time as the leader of Huzzah and the perpetrator of the 'Pearl Harbour' incident and yet FIX don't seem to mind a whole lot fighting alongside him. If FIX were still so miffed about CODA, they would be following Roadkill around and certainly wouldn't fly in gang with Hans Roaming.
Nope, CODA got very little or nothing to do with why FIX has turned up twice with MC to attack IAC.
There must be another reason.
FIX are there to make up the bulk that MC lacks.. that much is clear, the thing that has me stumped is what do FIX get out of it?
Nothing I can think of makes sense.
FC knowhow? .. well, maybe but thats something you have to do for yourself, surely. Friendship? .. MC don't have friends, they have contracts. ISS isk? .. ISS say they aren't paying them. Future outpost protection? ...They live in BoB's space and are a 1000 strong alliance. Surely they can look after 1 outpost, they got nothing else to do.
Tbh I have no idea and nothing I can think of makes much sense.
Actually many FIX members were not happy to be working with Hans, some of them even wanted to pod him despite him being on there side. There is still some bitterness in there.
-Haar
Yarr'n'stuff
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:18:00 -
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would have went right along with the rest of the "contract" had they podded him, i haven't seen that much friendly fire since i watched a paintball tournament for the deaf/blind
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Actually many FIX members were not happy to be working with Hans, some of them even wanted to pod him despite him being on there side. There is still some bitterness in there.
-Haar
lol.. I'm not surprised... and yet with this knowledge the CODA angle makes even less sense.
So parts of FIX are still peeved off about CODA in general, yet they will through gritted teeth agree to fly in gang with Hans Roaming to go attack an entity that had no where near as much influence as Hans did in the CODA affair? ... nobody buys that....
Huzzah turned the CODA war into the gangbang it became..... and the main man was Hans. Infact he was dedidedly the brains behind it. If FIX was stil peeved about CODA, Hans would be perma-kos.
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SaintVash
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:24:00 -
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mercenary:
Adjective 1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain. 2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
some may think that this defines what the mercenary coalitino does, however that is not entirely true... they are not being hired for there service, but for there reputation.. perhaps they were extremely good at one point in time, but that time has since passed and now they hope that there reputation will get them contracts.. and between getting paid 10 billion isk starting for a contract and they're CareBare Activities inbetween they can afford for each of them to have capital ships.. so they went form skilled piolits to rich people with toys, yet they will only use them when there is no chance that they can lose.. and that dosent go for just a Nyx persay, but also a frigate, because now the more losses they get, the more there reputation goes down, and from there it is like dominos.. no reputation no contracts or they have to fight which we dont know if they are good at anymore cuz they wont bring out the battleships unless they outnumber them by 10 at leaste... in short.. maro rocks
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Red Horseman
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:24:00 -
[359]
I just read 13 pages of flames, smack, trolls and alt posts. Gotta love it.
Props to Seleene for putting butterdong in his place btw.
All the fights I've been in with ISS so far have been a blast, didn't get to fight with MC or LV much this time around due to RL stupid s***.
Here's to more great fights, and more tangible gains for IAC.
/me raises glass
P.S. LOL @ mining Moro(n)s
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Marovinchian on 30/12/2006 08:26:05 i don't think there is much blood left in your alchohol content saint......but i ♥ you anyway
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: elchief Edited by: elchief on 30/12/2006 04:28:50
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Forget the capital letter at beginning of sentences and forget your corp or alliance name on your avatar, but please I need paragraphs at the very least.
You critiscised my writing style but goddamn did i start a good thread am i right?
This is the greatest thread ever. You sir are my hero. o7
I want more I tell you, more!!!!!
Ok surely it's TC's turn to weight in now with their MC dirty laundry.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.30 09:04:00 -
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What page is the cliff notes on? Hopefully 20 words or less.
Retired [ISSN]
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 09:06:00 -
[363]
Edited by: Phoenus on 30/12/2006 09:07:08
Originally by: SaintVash mercenary:
Adjective 1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain. 2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
some may think that this defines what the mercenary coalitino does, however that is not entirely true... they are not being hired for there service, but for there reputation.. perhaps they were extremely good at one point in time, but that time has since passed and now they hope that there reputation will get them contracts.. and between getting paid 10 billion isk starting for a contract and they're CareBare Activities inbetween they can afford for each of them to have capital ships.. so they went form skilled piolits to rich people with toys, yet they will only use them when there is no chance that they can lose.. and that dosent go for just a Nyx persay, but also a frigate, because now the more losses they get, the more there reputation goes down, and from there it is like dominos.. no reputation no contracts or they have to fight which we dont know if they are good at anymore cuz they wont bring out the battleships unless they outnumber them by 10 at leaste... in short.. maro rocks
This will be my only reply in this thread - and it is directed at you, SaintVash.
From our killboard, I can see (seeing how all the old kills were ported over) that whilst in Contraband, as a part of the Mercenary Coalition, you took part in a grand total of 8, (yes, eight) kills (http://www.bdci-eve.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=946). During that time, you lost 5 ships, including 2 Battleships.
A lot of the old Contraband guys, well, I don't know - came to the MC under the impression that it would be, for want of a better term "none-stop pew pew". You realised it wasn't like that, and left, for that + several other reasons.
You have the courage to come here and complain that we won't fight unless outnumbered - props to you. At the same time, you sit in the Litom corridor, pew-pewing people when you have 5+ Battleships, against a lone Tempest, or whatever.
As Seleene commented in local, after we dropped a Nyx on your little gatecamp a couple of weeks back:
Quote: Seleene > Rule # 27 of being an Evil Overlord - If you have an unbeatable superweapon, do not wait to use it; use it early and as often as possible.
You gank people 5 on 1, but when the MC does the same to you, you throw your toys out the pram.
That is fine. You play the game how *you* want to play it. We play the game how *we* want to play it. Leave your toys in the pram, and grow up, leave the bitterness elsewhere. Before your corp's continued barrage of harassment towards the MC in this contract, over 'blobbing', 'inferior tactics' etc., the bitterness was quite definately one-sided.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 09:15:00 -
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pony...im sorry m8 cause i always kinda liked you, but that post is ignorance at it's best, you are talking about an isolated incident (killing a noob traveling alone) compared too constant incident (using cap ships for nearly every single small gang fight)
Don't get me wrong, i UNDERSTAND it's not in your best interest to take losses when looking at the fiscal model of being a mercenary, but don't expect people to not think it lame when you could have just as easily had a good fight out of many of the situations where you bring in massive overkill.
Also the constant jabs of YOU GUYS ONLY SIT AT GATES WITH BUBBLES AND GANK SHUTTLES is getting pretty retarded, we fight outnumbered, we fight roaming in gangs, we fight on gates, we fight on stations, we fight at planets, we fight as safespots....point is we are there for a fight, not to drop cap ship bombs on everyone and basically make eve suck for all involved
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 09:15:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Phoenus
You gank people 5 on 1, but when the MC does the same to you, you throw your toys out the pram.
I wont bother commenting on anything else as your bitterness/whatever should be adressed by someone who knows something about it. However I'd just like to go a bit deeper into this whole ganking-thing you mention - of course people gank if they get the chance. I mean seriously if someone happens to run into your gate camp/roaming gang, everyone shoots him. Now the difference between REV (I could say SOD, but I'll leave it with REV for the time being) and MC is, ganking is not the only thing they do. MC seem to completely avoid any engagement that they have a chance of sustaining heavy losses in, hell even lose altogether. Does that make MC bad? Not necessarily, but you have to expect to receive flack for such a tactic as it is lame on occasion. Especially when you act all smart about it in local... ____________
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SaintVash
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 09:35:00 -
[366]
Originally by: Phoenus Edited by: Phoenus on 30/12/2006 09:11:19
Originally by: SaintVash mercenary:
Adjective 1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain. 2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
some may think that this defines what the mercenary coalitino does, however that is not entirely true... they are not being hired for there service, but for there reputation.. perhaps they were extremely good at one point in time, but that time has since passed and now they hope that there reputation will get them contracts.. and between getting paid 10 billion isk starting for a contract and they're CareBare Activities inbetween they can afford for each of them to have capital ships.. so they went form skilled piolits to rich people with toys, yet they will only use them when there is no chance that they can lose.. and that dosent go for just a Nyx persay, but also a frigate, because now the more losses they get, the more there reputation goes down, and from there it is like dominos.. no reputation no contracts or they have to fight which we dont know if they are good at anymore cuz they wont bring out the battleships unless they outnumber them by 10 at leaste... in short.. maro rocks
This will be my only reply in this thread - and it is directed at you, SaintVash.
A lot of the old Contraband guys, well, I don't know - came to the MC under the impression that it would be, for want of a better term "none-stop pew pew". You realised it wasn't like that, and left, for that + several other reasons. That decision, right there - is *your* decision. You play Ingame how *you* want to play.
Yet you have the courage to come here and complain that we won't fight unless outnumbered - props to you. At the same time, you sit in the Litom corridor, pew-pewing people when you have 5+ Battleships, against a lone Tempest, or whatever.
As Seleene commented in local, after we dropped a Nyx on your little gatecamp a couple of weeks back:
Quote: Seleene > Rule # 27 of being an Evil Overlord - If you have an unbeatable superweapon, do not wait to use it; use it early and as often as possible.
You gank people 5 on 1, but when the MC does the same to you, you throw your toys out the pram. Hypocricy?
That is fine. You play the game how *you* want to play it. We play the game how *we* want to play it. Leave your toys in the pram, and grow up, leave the bitterness elsewhere. Before your corp's continued barrage of harassment towards the MC in this contract, over 'blobbing', 'inferior tactics' etc., the bitterness was quite definately one-sided.
Stating you droped your nyx on our little gate camp, which was in fact 3 megathrons, 2 eagles, + minor support.. you brought in 7 or so bs + support of about 15 total and then had to jump in 2, not 1 but 2, motherships to combat only about 8 players only proves you can now only put your wallet before your skills (and as i recall we fought EVEN THOUGH outnumbered as you seem to say we never do, until you jumped the motherships in).. and i have/had/will not (unless without good reason) really dislike any CONIN guys.. the fact is i dislike MC now is because there reputation is the only thing they have now.. and since you refuse to fight BoB, jsut shows that your not true mercenaries and will only pick and choose fights you know you have the opertunity to come out on top of... but thats jsut 1 persons opnion.. and maro still rocks..
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wdwm Katarr
Amarr Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: wdwm Katarr on 30/12/2006 10:06:10 Someone asked for a thread summary?
OP: We've had some fun and pulled of a couple of morale boosters.
Butterdog: You smell.
IAC Aligned: No we dont, you do.
ISS Aligned: Actually you do.
IAC Aligned: No, you do.
Butterdog: You do.
Everyone: BD STFU.
Butterdog: You all smell, especially MC.
MC: WTF? STFU!
Butterdog: Hey, this is a game, dont take it personal. But you guys made fun of my epeen and I'm allowed to make it personal. So MC are girlies who make up contracts.
MC: We never do! You really do smell BD.
Butterdog: Pfft I'm bored, I'm going to bed.
Random Players: I win the thread!
MC: Honest guys we don't stink!
Everyone: Maybe you do maybe you dont. But this is teh funneh!
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:13:00 -
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Would just like to point out that at the start of this contract no one knew that LV would enter the fray. Last time IAC had the support of various allies including AXE who would show up when their POS came out of reinforced. We entered the conflict expecting the same and hence the mad scramble right at the start to drop POS into F4R.
Marovinchian as for choosing which contracts to take yeah of course Sel will do that, your corp chose to go on a road trip last week for example rather than fight around F4R, does that make you good or bad or just do what you want to do?
Butter Dog, despite being asked no one has actually said 'I was there and BD is right' with regards to your intel, now that's either because they lack the moral fiber to do so or in fact it's not true, am sure people can make their own minds up.
Are we perfect and never take losses or could have done some things better in hindsight, of course we're not perfect and don't claim to be, we do however try to be as open as we can do and hence you can see our kill boards which we try and keep as accurate as we can. In the end people are free to believe what they want about us, ones that feel we are worth hiring and can do so will, others won't, nothing new there then.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dekiri on 30/12/2006 10:17:18 I think this is the first thread i won because i did not post at all =)
I can't think of a single party that has not made completly stupid postings in this thread tbh except me ofc
Bring it on kids it really seems as if there is a lot of entertainment still to be had in this thread=)
PS: I am still waiting for an explanation why MC are not real mercs by not attacking their landlord.... I don't get this part, because its just so unreal. Please someone who can make sense explain this to me, because i am apparently missing something important there. If anyone of the "pro's" has the time i would also love an explanation on why mercs are supposed to be neutral at all.
Thanks!
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:17:00 -
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This thread should win an award or something... ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR |
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:32:00 -
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Have spoken to Maro on TS.
This back and forth between Rev Inc and MC is going to stop.
If any of my people wanna comment on the actual content of the thread, fine. But please ignore any further comments by Revelations INC.
This post will be repeated on the MC forums. -
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Have spoken to Maro on TS.
This back and forth between Rev Inc and MC is going to stop.
If any of my people wanna comment on the actual content of the thread, fine. But please ignore any further comments by Revelations INC.
This post will be repeated on the MC forums.
Re: this post, Rev and MC's issues are being resolved in house and all REV members can refrain from any further crap between our groups, so in other words, ENOUGH.....myself included
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Have spoken to Maro on TS.
This back and forth between Rev Inc and MC is going to stop.
If any of my people wanna comment on the actual content of the thread, fine. But please ignore any further comments by Revelations INC.
This post will be repeated on the MC forums.
Can i call unfair on this one? It really was a great thread until now =(
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 30/12/2006 03:29:41
Originally by: Butter Dog most of the Capitals I saw when I was operating a dread on offensives came from FIX, with another 3 from TYC, another 3 from UK, and an average of 5 from you. Hardly carrying the siege.
Absolute lunacy.
pic, i see 7 i dunno if this proves either of you wrong but its proof, lol
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ace101 pic, i see 7 i dunno if this proves either of you wrong but its proof, lol
I love your sig dude. I have a lot of pics too. I'll post them up with the war story next week. Go watch the movie in my sig. -
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:27:00 -
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OY. Can we get this thread to and End finaly. Running low On PopCorn [URL=http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logoal6.jpg][/URL]
MC just wanted to say I LOVE YA. Hope we get someday to pew pew each other again
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:29:00 -
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wow this thread is pretty fun
Yes it still makes me think does MC have what it takes with a major reduction in their personal, but honestly BD...
were MC paid to fight AAA, oh ..they wernt, why should they risk ships and not be paid? and saying you will pay. There was no tatical planning...bazai dont win wars innit.
If thats how you FC...well...bye bye ISS
and the i have sources but i cant tell *yawn*
and even if MC wanted to pew pew IAC...are they not allowed to simply do that? if they want fun its a bloody game :P
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:32:00 -
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"Merc Corps make up Contracts"
1. Proof or stfu
2. Sigh...... of course we do.
"MC Only take on fights they can win"
1. errr Yes
2. errrrrr Yes.....
Never go into a fight you cant win, unless losing serves some greater purpose.
(i have soo much more to say, but i have had no sleep in 48 hrs, and I am dozy, maybe i will post later)
Summary
BD. Proof or stfu.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade All this thread needs now is a gold bar, then it's complete
/me supplies the gold bars
seleene is evil
edit: bugger, posted with my alt ----------------------
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Count TaSessine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:35:00 -
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I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
After IAC declared war on ISS, our goal with the war was to let IAC know we wouldn't accept random aggressions and threats from longterm neighbours. We decided the goal should be to take the F4 outpost to prove our point. In addition to some of our friends in Eve, we asked MC and VETO to provide shock troops to help bridge ISS's lack of experience with offensive warfare. This they did and they did it the way they always seen to do things: gung-ho and effectively. We always enjoy watching those guys in action because they love what they do :-) It is the first time we work with Veto. Veto is a real closeknit Tlite pvp outfit who impressed in specialist roles which perfectly complemented MC's capital fleet. Everytime we have contracted MC for something, we have learned something about pvp.
We took F4R-, mission accomplished.
All the POS work we did in JBY and elsewhere in IAC space was tactical dispositions to distract IAC and provide additional vantage points for future talks. AAA showed up to bolster IAC at a difficult time. AAA stopped us from doing some of the things we wanted to do: we would have wanted to gain footholds in both G-7 and JBY to have an even better position for negociating with IAC. AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Chairman, ISS
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Jnr Rau
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jnr Rau on 30/12/2006 11:41:18
Originally by: Count TaSessine I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
After IAC declared war on ISS, our goal with the war was to let IAC know we wouldn't accept random aggressions and threats from longterm neighbours. We decided the goal should be to take the F4 outpost to prove our point. In addition to some of our friends in Eve, we asked MC and VETO to provide shock troops to help bridge ISS's lack of experience with offensive warfare. This they did and they did it the way they always seen to do things: gung-ho and effectively. We always enjoy watching those guys in action because they love what they do :-) It is the first time we work with Veto. Veto is a real closeknit Tlite pvp outfit who impressed in specialist roles which perfectly complemented MC's capital fleet. Everytime we have contracted MC for something, we have learned something about pvp.
We took F4R-, mission accomplished.
All the POS work we did in JBY and elsewhere in IAC space was tactical dispositions to distract IAC and provide additional vantage points for future talks. AAA showed up to bolster IAC at a difficult time. AAA stopped us from doing some of the things we wanted to do: we would have wanted to gain footholds in both G-7 and JBY to have an even better position for negociating with IAC. AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Thank you for putting the death nail in Butterdog...
Good luck with the negotiations I hope everything is going to plan.
Much respect to the mercs.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:40:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Count TaSessine I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
After IAC declared war on ISS, our goal with the war was to let IAC know we wouldn't accept random aggressions and threats from longterm neighbours. We decided the goal should be to take the F4 outpost to prove our point. In addition to some of our friends in Eve, we asked MC and VETO to provide shock troops to help bridge ISS's lack of experience with offensive warfare. This they did and they did it the way they always seen to do things: gung-ho and effectively. We always enjoy watching those guys in action because they love what they do :-) It is the first time we work with Veto. Veto is a real closeknit Tlite pvp outfit who impressed in specialist roles which perfectly complemented MC's capital fleet. Everytime we have contracted MC for something, we have learned something about pvp.
We took F4R-, mission accomplished.
All the POS work we did in JBY and elsewhere in IAC space was tactical dispositions to distract IAC and provide additional vantage points for future talks. AAA showed up to bolster IAC at a difficult time. AAA stopped us from doing some of the things we wanted to do: we would have wanted to gain footholds in both G-7 and JBY to have an even better position for negociating with IAC. AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Thank you for the kind words, Count. It's nice to see an official response from ISS leadership regarding this thread, I've been watching it for a while.
VETO FOR HIRE
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:44:00 -
[383]
owned BD, simply owned
Good to see you at last count ^^
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:50:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Count TaSessine I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
After IAC declared war on ISS, our goal with the war was to let IAC know we wouldn't accept random aggressions and threats from longterm neighbours. We decided the goal should be to take the F4 outpost to prove our point. In addition to some of our friends in Eve, we asked MC and VETO to provide shock troops to help bridge ISS's lack of experience with offensive warfare. This they did and they did it the way they always seen to do things: gung-ho and effectively. We always enjoy watching those guys in action because they love what they do :-) It is the first time we work with Veto. Veto is a real closeknit Tlite pvp outfit who impressed in specialist roles which perfectly complemented MC's capital fleet. Everytime we have contracted MC for something, we have learned something about pvp.
We took F4R-, mission accomplished.
All the POS work we did in JBY and elsewhere in IAC space was tactical dispositions to distract IAC and provide additional vantage points for future talks. AAA showed up to bolster IAC at a difficult time. AAA stopped us from doing some of the things we wanted to do: we would have wanted to gain footholds in both G-7 and JBY to have an even better position for negociating with IAC. AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
o7 -
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:01:00 -
[385]
I predict that Butter Dog might take a holiday from posting on the forums for a while now. ISS and IAC, hope you find a solution to your mutual satisfaction.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:04:00 -
[386]
Wahoo BD just got pwned. Nice on Count
I still want to see your alliance dead tho ____________
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:18:00 -
[387]
Edited by: Dekiri on 30/12/2006 12:19:53 Edited by: Dekiri on 30/12/2006 12:19:07
Originally by: Hans Roaming I predict that Butter Dog might take a holiday from posting on the forums for a while now. ISS and IAC, hope you find a solution to your mutual satisfaction.
I will admit that it might be possible i think it is more likely that he will come here and call you all nerds with glasses or something similar. I remember BD thinking about not going to the fanfest(or was it the london player gathering?) because it was to nerdy and he to cool and awsome for such geekyness =)
oh yea.. lol@ count's post that was great=)
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:23:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Dekiri on 30/12/2006 12:24:28 Edited by: Dekiri on 30/12/2006 12:23:57
Quote: ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
Does that mean if they continue to fight you now that they have support by AAA you see ISS loosing?
Wouldn't that support the idea of them attacking ISS ?
And doesn't the comment about "top alliance like AAA" imply that IAC are rubbish ?
Intersting way to start negociation btw=)
I sense hope for this thread after you and Seleene already blocked most of the fun =(
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Buzee
Flight Of Fantasy
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:31:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Seleene Have spoken to Maro on TS.
This back and forth between Rev Inc and MC is going to stop.
If any of my people wanna comment on the actual content of the thread, fine. But please ignore any further comments by Revelations INC.
This post will be repeated on the MC forums.
I think Something's not quite right here, Sel's done the damage limitation...NOT FAIR asking REv and MC guys to back off the subject, obviously there's a lot to lose by your less skilled forum warriors goading the REV guys. Best job done so far Sel escaping the attention *sigh*. In as much as BD is a loose canon, He speaks a lot of truth even though not well presented, I hope you have good stuff to present to us otherwise the spin doctor's will eat you raw *sigh*
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:53:00 -
[390]
Edited by: Del369 on 30/12/2006 12:55:37
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
Fantastic thread, my compliments to all involved, i'm suprised no one picked up on this above mind, kinda rolls it all up in 2 sweet ickle lines imho
Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:58:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Del369 Edited by: Del369 on 30/12/2006 12:55:37
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 29/12/2006 22:44:17
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Butter Dog because for me its an extention of the gameplay.
Which is the exact reason you should either put a sock in it, or think a bit better on what your posts are doing for ISS reputation, your own rep ( doubt that could get any worse though ) and the best interest of me and everybody else that has money riding on you guys well making money... having it thrown away cause you can't stop running your mouth isn't at all in the best interest of the shareholders!
lol
Its a game, get over yourself.
Anyway I have elected to remove my roles and will be leaving ISS within 24 hours, because I refuse to work with MC. They actually sent a mail trying to order me what to do and say, failing to realise that I'm not in their employment, nor answerable to them. Downright rude.
Well MC you f***** me right off. I'll make a forum thread in 24 hours when my roles are dropped and I am out the Alliance. And trust me no amount of spin will cover up your failings this time.
Fantastic thread, my compliments to all involved, i'm suprised no one picked up on this above mind, kinda rolls it all up in 2 sweet ickle lines imho
You're my hero =) I actually missed that one. I guess we get some nice coverage from BD then. And we all thought this thread was hopeless over!
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:58:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
I have to qoute this because this is too funny!
In summary, Butter Dog doesnt care, and since hes not getting his way, hes taking his ball and going home lmfao. Nice childish way to end a arguement.
GJ Count on putting him down as not being affiliated with ISS anymore.
I have a assuption...BD says his source is high up ISS. I bet 10 iskies he says Count T to slander him. /me tinfoil hat on
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:09:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Butter Dog
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:11:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Omeega
Bhahaha, a sig for every occasion
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:25:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Count their will be no Peace between us. Ever.
ISS will not be suffered to live any longer.
The simple fact is, you must depend on mercs to do your dirty work, wheras we depend upon our friends, friends made in combat. Case in point, look at who KIA has been hired against by persons unknown. It's not to much to see the same happening to the rest of your "shock troops".
and as to the rest of the "stuff" in this thread.
Trax - stop posting my chat logs
BD- I <3 you.
Sel - respect to you and your alliance, and as for adrenaline rushes, divebombing a nyx to keep a pvp timer on it while avoiding 23 t2 drones is hellafun.
AAA - I <3 you more than BD! much drunkin russian war songs to be sung!
Damn, i go to sleep for once and look what happens. You sure as hell don't get this stuff out of a FPS.
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:38:00 -
[396]
Hehe, 7 pages over night. Good job ppl! And it turned out to be "interesting" too.
Count; next time we meet, drinks are on me.
Omeega; I love you guys and girls new sig's! Ace! <3
Cheers, Lowa ps. ibtl!
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:21:00 -
[397]
Quote: Well, i promised myself i wasn't going to weigh in on this whole deal and get in the middle of the flame fest but..........
/me dons t3 flame retardant polychromatic suit
Since it seems that the "truth" in all this is being brought from two different angles...one from butter dog, who has been a constant thread monkey during this whole thing and a major annoyance to pretty much everyone involved....and the other from the mc forum warriors, each trying to sway the mindset of the people who frequent these forums to either A. see someone in a new light or B. keep thier shiney image
I really have no ties to iac or really had any involvement in the whole conflict down here other than shooting some lv/fix/mc guys in and around my home, i have no past dealings with either of the two entities that really matter in this (iac/iss) and could honestly care less who owns what at the end of the day.
One thing i do care about is the constant incessant crap that is being spewed by certain entities in eve to make themselves out to be the uber grown up mature group of professional individuals in eve....when the truth is far from that and alot more sad and kinda pathetic.
I was a leader in the MC, i brought my corporation Contraband Inc. INTO the MC with the thoughts much the same as what i assume the random person in eve thinks......OMG MCP WN THEY ARE TEH UBER END ALL BE ALL OF EVE! After spending some time in the alliance and on the leadership/directors boards of the alliance, watching some real contracts come and go and then also watching real hard stuff being passed over or given some outlandish and pretty much slap in the face pricing....and then taking on weak target after weak target.
Then that was coupled with the constant need for overwhelming forces for engagement, our talent in the group was amazing yet losses were always looked at as a reason NOT too fight, i personally found myself wanting to be in situations where there would be a good chance i could lose and maybe actually take some risk in eve and get that old adrenaline rush feeling of a good fight again....in order to do that i had to leave.
MC have in the past and will again in the future manufacture a reason and a "client" for what they consider to be a "fun" and fairly easy target, they will bring overwhelming forces (80 cap ships...cmon guys ) to these events and will thump thier chests, spin the forums, and find a way to keep the eve's population twisted into what they think they should be percieved as. Myself and many other ex-MC directors and leaders all know this, they may not post it as they either don't give a crap or simply don't like being flamed or spun by mc forum warriors, but it IS the way it is.
I could show some respect for MC and keep all the dirty laundry and other stuff under the table but tbh, MC show no respect for eve by pulling they lying crap they pull and all the while trying to paint themselves in the shiny manner that they attempt
This post just pwnd MC ... no matter what BD is or says there is always some truth behind every rumour ...
MC do you fancy a contract mining in Jita Don't worry I'll tank the RATS for you so it should be that scary.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:26:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Alice Magnum
MC do you fancy a contract mining in Jita Don't worry I'll tank the RATS for you so it should be that scary.
It's usually good to read to the end of a thread before commenting, you coulda saved yourself a superfluous post.
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:44:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Alice Magnum on 30/12/2006 14:45:45
Quote: I could show some respect for MC and keep all the dirty laundry and other stuff under the table but tbh, MC show no respect for eve by pulling they lying crap they pull and all the while trying to paint themselves in the shiny manner that they attempt
The end of the post ....... and this was from one of your leaders ...
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:03:00 -
[400]
Edited by: Ice Breaker on 30/12/2006 15:07:57
Originally by: Alice Magnum The end of the post ....... and this was from one of your leaders ...
Caldari Provisions has spoken!
Considering that your employment history shows no relationship with MC or Contraband Inc., that you don't bring any information, how is your statement about who you believe or who you don't believe of any kind of relevance? If you know something we should know and that the evil MC leadership is hiding, please write it down here
Ice.
In Rust We Trust |
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:06:00 -
[401]
Look Above .....
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:06:00 -
[402]
This thread delivers
Keep squirming, MC. Makes you look really 'professional'.
My favourite bit was the failed smear attempt against me, I chuckled myself to sleep.
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:11:00 -
[403]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I chuckled myself to sleep.
i cry myself to sleep \o/
zomg i winz the thread aga1n
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:18:00 -
[404]
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Butter Dog
I chuckled myself to sleep.
i cry myself to sleep \o/
zomg i winz the thread aga1n
I don't sleep \o/
omg i beat nicky on the thread!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:22:00 -
[405]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 15:23:51
Originally by: Count TaSessine I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
Count, I expected better of you. You need to get your facts straight.
1) You told me in a private conversation on Ventrilo that Seleene fought IAC in the first contract because they disliked Tyrrax, and that there was no contract. Are you going to lie and say this conversation never took place? I'd like a categorical statement on this issue, because frankly my view of you as a person depends on it. Whats it going to be... a lie, or an admission?
2) I was never kicked from ISS, you know it, I know it. 6 month ago I left because I refused to show you the log-in screen of one of my alts. You THEN ASKED me to return 1 month later to lead ISSN because there were no other suitable candidates. Having disposed of a character on the alt account I felt you would not have approved of, I agreed.
3) If you read this thread back, and CHECK YOUR OWN FORUM, you will see a post stating that I removed my roles and am leaving because I refuse to work with MC. So saying I'm being kicked is rather pointless when I already removed my roles to prepare for leaving 12 hours before you made this post.
Here is a PM you sent me on the ISS forum - I have a screenshot which I will publish if you deny you wrote it.
"Thanks, BD. I am immensely disappointed and I'm not afraid to admit that I think Sel and Ens are being cowards about it. Ens: ok he has a lot to lose, the titan, BUT: AAA will come after LV sooner or later anyway. He's just postponing the inevitable. Sel: well, he just showed what he is made of. No money could have made him do it. There is a good quote by Macchiavelli on mercenary captains that I'll dig up later."
Sorry to bring that up, but you should have thought twice before saying what you just did about me.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:26:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Count TaSessine I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
He has now been kicked out again, and this time he won't be coming back. Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
Count, I expected better of you. You need to get your facts straight.
1) You told me in a private conversation on Ventrilo that Seleene fought IAC in the first contract because they disliked Tyrrax, and that there was no contract. Are you going to lie and say this conversation never took place? I'd like a categorical statement on this issue, because frankly my view of you as a person depends on it. Whats it going to be... a lie, or an admission?
2) I was never kicked from ISS, you know it, I know it. 6 month ago I left because I refused to show you the log-in screen of one of my alts. You THEN ASKED me to return 1 month later to lead ISSN because there were no other suitable candidates. Having disposed of a character on the alt account I felt you would not have approved of, I agreed.
3) If you read this thread back, and CHECK YOUR OWN FORUM, you will see a post stating that I removed my roles and am leaving because I refuse to work with MC. So saying I'm being kicked is rather pointless when I already removed my roles to prepare for leaving 12 hours before you made this post.
No, no, MC and now ISS, have pwnd you.
Your revelation was poor, unoriginal, and had no backup.
You contradict yourself.
Your previous employers hate you.
I tihnk you're funny, like a clown corpse.
Just...go away.
(I don't actually want you to go away, I want you to keep posting silliness on here cos it makes me chuckle, and my dog just dieded, so I needs the chucklez) _
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:27:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Butter Dog This thread delivers
Keep squirming, MC. Makes you look really 'professional'.
My favourite bit was the failed smear attempt against me, I chuckled myself to sleep.
Originally by: butter dog (ad lib): I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut
yarly.
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:33:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Butter Dog This thread delivers
Keep squirming, MC. Makes you look really 'professional'.
My favourite bit was the failed smear attempt against me, I chuckled myself to sleep.
Originally by: butter dog (ad lib): I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut
yarly.
look at you, with your 'ad lib'. You're such a professional forum poster, do you come here often? _
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:34:00 -
[409]
BD strikes Back!!!!
Send in the storm troopers.
This is getting better and better, i love it.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Kalashtar
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:34:00 -
[410]
Edited by: Kalashtar on 30/12/2006 15:34:46 .... damn alts
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K'vetch
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:35:00 -
[411]
More popcorn
more more more....
o wait almost forgot my
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celous
Caldari Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:36:00 -
[412]
BD how about u STFU!!! i know a few people are getting ****ed with ur inmature ways in ISS. They would post but they dont want any trouble for it.
For me tho this post getting boring and i hope ISS and IAC will sort things out. I also hope MC and iss relations are good still. Peace good war isnt
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:38:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
No, no, MC and now ISS, have pwnd you.
Your revelation was poor, unoriginal, and had no backup.
You contradict yourself.
Your previous employers hate you.
I tihnk you're funny, like a clown corpse.
Just...go away.
(I don't actually want you to go away, I want you to keep posting silliness on here cos it makes me chuckle, and my dog just dieded, so I needs the chucklez)
You've been adding nothing to this thread, apart from random 'ooh they pwned you' lines, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Facts:
* MC refused to fight AAA for any price * Despite contibuting only about 25% of the capitals and about 10% of the support, they publically claim they were lynchpins of the F4 operation for the furtherment of their own image and ego * MC lied about the contract, stating it was only for F4, when in reality they failed the overall contract to take all three stations * MC were not contracted by anyone in the first Prohibition, I have stated my source above * They had participation issues, and their totally flawed POS handover in which Seleene STILL decided to dismantle without adequate force protection gave IAC a foothold back in the system * They attempted to control what I did post-contract, in a downright rude manner, depsite me being nothing to do with them (which was the catalyst for me posting what I have)
So remind me, exactly where have MC been 'pwning' anyone in this thread? Because to me it looks like they have been thrown to the wolves.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:41:00 -
[414]
I am actually cheering for BD here, everyone in this thread has pretty much flamed him and he still dosen't back down.
You got balls I'll say that.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:42:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Sergio Ling
No, no, MC and now ISS, have pwnd you.
Your revelation was poor, unoriginal, and had no backup.
You contradict yourself.
Your previous employers hate you.
I tihnk you're funny, like a clown corpse.
Just...go away.
(I don't actually want you to go away, I want you to keep posting silliness on here cos it makes me chuckle, and my dog just dieded, so I needs the chucklez)
You've been adding nothing to this thread, apart from random 'ooh they pwned you' lines, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Facts:
* MC refused to fight AAA for any price * Despite contibuting only about 25% of the capitals and about 10% of the support, they publically claim they were lynchpins of the F4 operation for the furtherment of their own image and ego * MC lied about the contract, stating it was only for F4, when in reality they failed the overall contract to take all three stations * MC were not contracted by anyone in the first Prohibition, I have stated my source above * They had participation issues, and their totally flawed POS handover in which Seleene STILL decided to dismantle without adequate force protection gave IAC a foothold back in the system * They attempted to control what I did post-contract, in a downright rude manner, depsite me being nothing to do with them (which was the catalyst for me posting what I have)
So remind me, exactly where have MC been 'pwning' anyone in this thread? Because to me it looks like they have been thrown to the wolves.
FACT - You said Count told you posting was fine. HE has called BS on that FACT - You said MC were scared of AAA and havent yet backed that up FACT - You said you were leaving ISS and yet it comes to light that maybe you were kicked FACT - You said you knew when to keep your mouth shut due to professionalism, and you obviously can't.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:43:00 -
[416]
Can all Maelstrom Alliance leave this thread and start the forum wars under the title
"I love bob sorry hate bob posted under the wrong character"
created by Spiral
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spoon2
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: spoon2 on 30/12/2006 15:52:48 I did mention to you ButterDog that IAC from my time on the last Prohibition Op impressed me and woulnt bow down easily, you laughed off those remarks. Looking at the stats you have provided on kills/losses if you were to put the mercs cost in as a loss to ISS then Id say you guys are behind even with the outpost capture and POS kills.
No mercs to help you and I'd say its only a matter of time before IAC reclaim F4.
Interesting conflict, also due to the Butter forum show here will MC be accepting a contract from IAC to crush ISS?
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celous
Caldari Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:49:00 -
[418]
Edited by: celous on 30/12/2006 15:51:08
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I am actually cheering for BD here, everyone in this thread has pretty much flamed him and he still dosen't back down.
You got balls I'll say that.
balls? maybe that what he thinking with. So maybe someone kick them to STFU for him
Originally by: spoon2 I did mention to you ButterDog that IAC from my time on the last Prohibition Op impressed me and woulnt bow down down easily, you laughed off those remarks. Looking at the stats you have provided on kills/losses if you were to put the mercs cost in as a loss to ISS then Id say you guys are behind even with the outpost capture and POS kills.
No mercs to help you and I'd say its only a matter of time before IAC reclaim F4.
Interesting conflict, also due to the Butter forum show here will MC be accepting a contract from IAC to crush ISS?
i dont think MC going to kick ISS because butterdog doesnt know when to shut up
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Cicilus Hadrican
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:50:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican
Originally by: Butter Dog Haha, you lose the thread Seleene.
Its been fun.
Now I'm off to bed. Try not to tell me what to do in the future.
PS - don't have nightmares about AAA while I'm gone
I have a assuption...BD says his source is high up ISS. I bet 10 iskies he says Count T to slander him. /me tinfoil hat on
wait wait.
Originally by: Butter Dog
[1) You told me in a private conversation on Ventrilo that Seleene fought IAC in the first contract because they disliked Tyrrax, and that there was no contract. Are you going to lie and say this conversation never took place? I'd like a categorical statement on this issue, because frankly my view of you as a person depends on it. Whats it going to be... a lie, or an admission?
I wins! I expect everyone to pay up, I knew he was gonna slander Count T.
I got a brilliant idea for a sig for Count T, it could have Trump on it and then him pointing yelling BD! Your fired! lol
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:57:00 -
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celous
Caldari Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:58:00 -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:03:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
FACT - You said Count told you posting was fine. HE has called BS on that FACT - You said MC were scared of AAA and havent yet backed that up FACT - You said you were leaving ISS and yet it comes to light that maybe you were kicked FACT - You said you knew when to keep your mouth shut due to professionalism, and you obviously can't.
And so on and so forth
Lets deal with these points one at a time.
* Count told me he liked me posting on Eve-O because he said it 'gave ISS a voice' and everyone knew I didnt officially represent the alliance. As I wasnt warned, kicked etc for making the posts, its pretty easy to draw your own conclusions there.
* The AAA issue has been crystal clear from the start - MC refused to engage them for any price, they have even admitted they refused to engage them so what part of this is troubling you exactly?
* I removed my roles and made a forum post on the ISS internal forum stating that I was leaving, 12 hours BEFORE Count said he was kicking me. Why he said this I have no idea. Obviously I knew that when I started a forum tussle with MC, he would not want me under the ISS flag so I announced my departure before doing so.
* The last point can't be construed as a fact, its simply your opinion.
Anything else?
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:03:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Philip Jones
Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:04:00 -
[424]
Wow, who would have thought this FORUM was better than the actual game. Its like playig some mad text based adventure game from the 1980s.
MOVE NORTH, GO WEST, A FORUM WARRIOR HAS JUMPED ON YOU OMGWTFPUA! START AGAIN [Y] / [N]
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:06:00 -
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TrishTheDish
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:09:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Philip Jones Wow, who would have thought this FORUM was better than the actual game. Its like playig some mad text based adventure game from the 1980s.
MOVE NORTH, GO WEST, A FORUM WARRIOR HAS JUMPED ON YOU OMGWTFPUA! START AGAIN [Y] / [N]
QFT
Where is the need to log in when you got this kind of class A things going on? CCP better start making patches for the forum isntead of the game =D
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:12:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Philip Jones Wow, who would have thought this FORUM was better than the actual game. Its like playig some mad text based adventure game from the 1980s.
MOVE NORTH, GO WEST, A FORUM WARRIOR HAS JUMPED ON YOU OMGWTFPUA! START AGAIN [Y] / [N]
QFT
Where is the need to log in when you got this kind of class A things going on? CCP better start making patches for the forum isntead of the game =D ---
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:14:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Avon This thread is comedy gold, seriously.
"M.C. pick easy fights over hard fights!"
Ummm...and?
When the easy money is there to be made, you don't reject it in favour of something harder or more challenging, you grab it while it is there ... you don't know when easy money will next be there for the taking. It is the easy money that keeps the wheels oiled.
"M.C. bring overwhelming forces because they hate losses."
Well..duh! That's kinda the point of being a merc, isn't it? To mitigate your losses to maximise your profits. It may be all noble to bring swords to a sword fight, but you are much more likely to win without getting hurt if you bring a machinegun. I know which option I would choose.
Congratulations on missing the point.
This is about the difference between the perception (spin) MC but out about themselves and the reality.
The perception is no job is too tough. The reality is they shy away from true challenges. Would you still be in BoB if your leaders announced the latest war: To kill the curry alliance, population one 1!1!!!! It's hardly pushing the pvp envelope is it? BoB talk big, spin hard but they produce big results. MC talk big, spin hard, accept easy jobs...
The perception is that they are always up for a fight (within reason ofc). The reality is they will do everything in their power to make sure they have numerical superiority everytime. Bust up a small camp? Bring battleships AND the appropriate EW (just in case). Roaming gank squad come into your local? Hug the POS and deploy fighters? Smart? Undoubtedly. Does it fit with the gung ho balls to the wall self-portrayal on the forums? No.
The day MC start portraying themselves as risk adverse pvpr's who do a risk analysis and have scouts in every neighbouring system before deciding to engage is the day they will gain my undieing respect (as if they care). Until then it's all smoke, mirrors and a well oiled PR machine.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:23:00 -
[429]
SpiralJunkie just told me they are gonna make a new series about this.
Not much information is available yet, however our spies were able to gather a shot behind the scenes.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:25:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog
Lets deal with these points one at a time.
* Count told me he liked me posting on Eve-O because he said it 'gave ISS a voice' and everyone knew I didnt officially represent the alliance. As I wasnt warned, kicked etc for making the posts, its pretty easy to draw your own conclusions there.
Count said in his post a page or so back, that he told you not to post
Originally by: Butter Dog
* The AAA issue has been crystal clear from the start - MC refused to engage them for any price, they have even admitted they refused to engage them so what part of this is troubling you exactly?
Where does Seleene say this?
Originally by: Butter Dog
* I removed my roles and made a forum post on the ISS internal forum stating that I was leaving, 12 hours BEFORE Count said he was kicking me. Why he said this I have no idea. Obviously I knew that when I started a forum tussle with MC, he would not want me under the ISS flag so I announced my departure before doing so.
CT says he's kicking you, you're kicked. I take his word over yours
Originally by: Butter Dog
* The last point can't be construed as a fact, its simply your opinion.
Well, you said somewhere around page 6 that you're professional enough to keep your mouth shut, yet all you've done is post post post
Read back in the thread and you will see plenty of MC people talking about the reasons they refused to engage AAA. This point is well covered, even MC arent daring to bring it up anymore but if you want to carry on flogging a dead horse be my guest.
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:27:00 -
[431]
Edited by: Tiuwaz on 30/12/2006 16:28:02
Originally by: Butter Dog
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:28:00 -
[432]
Edited by: Ice Breaker on 30/12/2006 16:28:28 Edit: nevermind.
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:38:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 30/12/2006 16:28:02
Originally by: Butter Dog
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
confirmed
YOU DID NOT WIN THE THREAD
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DrDevice
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:41:00 -
[434]
because at times like these, my butterdog corpse just might sell, I have it up for auction in jita for the next week :)
buy buy buy
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:47:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Karunel Man this thread does deliver!
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:54:00 -
[436]
I'm just wondering if BD is going to keep accusing Count indirectly of being a liar, or if your willing to appoligise?
You've already been shown to be a liar your self on a couple occasions in this thread, Butter Dog, so your on very shaky ground to be doing so to others, even if your subtle about it.
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Al Haquis
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:55:00 -
[437]
Woo the Cool Kids thread and now i am in it.
Humm, wonders if DBP could make this thread even better.
With love from Al Haquis
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:57:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
If you think that's scary, you should hear him actually singing this on TS after a node crash...
Ice.
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Antion
Gallente ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:59:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Butter Dog
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
Consider this Confirmed, posted Dec 29 at 10:24 pm eve time.
Originally by: Butter Dog
anyway, don't worry... MC have ****** me right off (sent me a quite abusive email which was uncalled for), and as I don't wish to damage ISS relationship with them I have removed all my roles and will be leaving in 24 hours
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:10:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Lorth I'm just wondering if BD is going to keep accusing Count indirectly of being a liar, or if your willing to appoligise?
You've already been shown to be a liar your self on a couple occasions in this thread, Butter Dog, so your on very shaky ground to be doing so to others, even if your subtle about it.
I have precisely nothing to apologise for. See the proof just posted by a member of ISSN - I wasnt kicked, I announced my leaving to ISSN 12 hours before Count said anything about it.
I havent actively accused Count of lying, I have presented some key facts, copied and pasted a PM he sent me. Its up to him if he chooses to lie about it or not.
That is out of my hands now.
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Shinjuro
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:12:00 -
[441]
ZOMB11levntywtf@thisthread!!11!!
I go to bed late last night with a sense that I have contributed to the BD's finally *****ing. I come back to 9 more pages of this thread??!!
BD, is your hand falling off from typing yet?? Give it a rest man. Your opinion is obvious.
To all the MC/banned forum warriors/not yet banned forum warriors: Fun chat last night.
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:12:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Here is a PM you sent me on the ISS forum - I have a screenshot which I will publish if you deny you wrote it.
"Thanks, BD. I am immensely disappointed and I'm not afraid to admit that I think Sel and Ens are being cowards about it. Ens: ok he has a lot to lose, the titan, BUT: AAA will come after LV sooner or later anyway. He's just postponing the inevitable. Sel: well, he just showed what he is made of. No money could have made him do it. There is a good quote by Macchiavelli on mercenary captains that I'll dig up later."
I don't know if Count T would deny this, but as a point of curiosity could you load the screenshot up anyway? I'm not related to what's going on but it would add a lot of credibility to what you're saying if you provided you know, actual evidence of that sort.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:16:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Admiral Feelgood
I don't know if Count T would deny this, but as a point of curiosity could you load the screenshot up anyway? I'm not related to what's going on but it would add a lot of credibility to what you're saying if you provided you know, actual evidence of that sort.
If he denies it, I will. Along with a number of other screenshots of PM's and forum posts I have - but this isnt about me disliking ISS or Count, I don't.
So I don't wish to go too far down that path. I only brought it up because of his post about me, which was uncalled for. Count knows why I was annoyed with MC, he knows they sent me a downright rude evemail telling me to 'STFU', so why he had to say anything about it at all I'm not sure.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:26:00 -
[444]
the problem at this stage is that allegations have been made, and proof has been offered. But in the age of html, photoshop and internets, what proof can be offered that cant be called into question? _
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:29:00 -
[445]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Count their will be no Peace between us. Ever.
ISS will not be suffered to live any longer.
The simple fact is, you must depend on mercs to do your dirty work, wheras we depend upon our friends, friends made in combat. Case in point, look at who KIA has been hired against by persons unknown. It's not to much to see the same happening to the rest of your "shock troops".
and as to the rest of the "stuff" in this thread.
Trax - stop posting my chat logs
BD- I <3 you.
Sel - respect to you and your alliance, and as for adrenaline rushes, divebombing a nyx to keep a pvp timer on it while avoiding 23 t2 drones is hellafun.
AAA - I <3 you more than BD! much drunkin russian war songs to be sung!
Damn, i go to sleep for once and look what happens. You sure as hell don't get this stuff out of a FPS.
Well, atleast we know that IAC planned to take over all of ISS space. You have balls to want to continue the war even though you have lost f4. If no peace agreement can be agreed on, then it's proof that IAC wanted all of ISS space to begin with.
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:29:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu *Istvaan pulls on a fine cigar*
Time for phase two.
You hear that? that's the sound of 10,000 tinfoil pants being soiled. Don't you just love the smell of paranoia in the morning?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:31:00 -
[447]
Originally by: Sergio Ling the problem at this stage is that allegations have been made, and proof has been offered. But in the age of html, photoshop and internets, what proof can be offered that cant be called into question?
Look, seriously, give up.
You lost the thread about 6 pages ago.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:33:00 -
[448]
i'm not competing _
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:34:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Count their will be no Peace between us. Ever.
ISS will not be suffered to live any longer.
The simple fact is, you must depend on mercs to do your dirty work, wheras we depend upon our friends, friends made in combat. Case in point, look at who KIA has been hired against by persons unknown. It's not to much to see the same happening to the rest of your "shock troops".
and as to the rest of the "stuff" in this thread.
Trax - stop posting my chat logs
BD- I <3 you.
Sel - respect to you and your alliance, and as for adrenaline rushes, divebombing a nyx to keep a pvp timer on it while avoiding 23 t2 drones is hellafun.
AAA - I <3 you more than BD! much drunkin russian war songs to be sung!
Damn, i go to sleep for once and look what happens. You sure as hell don't get this stuff out of a FPS.
Well, atleast we know that IAC planned to take over all of ISS space. You have balls to want to continue the war even though you have lost f4. If no peace agreement can be agreed on, then it's proof that IAC wanted all of ISS space to begin with.
No. Its not.
They took our space. Sorry if we can't be buddy buddy with people who steal one of our stations.
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:36:00 -
[450]
Butter, just because you announced in that forum that you were pulling your roles doesn't mean you were not being kicked. It just means you pulled your roles before I could get to you .
As for the rest of your posts, you have not got access to the management group, ISSN Command, or the War room.
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:37:00 -
[451]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Count their will be no Peace between us. Ever.
ISS will not be suffered to live any longer.
The simple fact is, you must depend on mercs to do your dirty work, wheras we depend upon our friends, friends made in combat. Case in point, look at who KIA has been hired against by persons unknown. It's not to much to see the same happening to the rest of your "shock troops".
and as to the rest of the "stuff" in this thread.
Trax - stop posting my chat logs
BD- I <3 you.
Sel - respect to you and your alliance, and as for adrenaline rushes, divebombing a nyx to keep a pvp timer on it while avoiding 23 t2 drones is hellafun.
AAA - I <3 you more than BD! much drunkin russian war songs to be sung!
Damn, i go to sleep for once and look what happens. You sure as hell don't get this stuff out of a FPS.
Well, atleast we know that IAC planned to take over all of ISS space. You have balls to want to continue the war even though you have lost f4. If no peace agreement can be agreed on, then it's proof that IAC wanted all of ISS space to begin with.
No. Its not.
They took our space. Sorry if we can't be buddy buddy with people who steal one of our stations.
Did IAC and friends have the military ability to conquer iss space before the war started? Yes or No?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:38:00 -
[452]
ok..
Quote: I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
Since you insist that he has, the obvious deduction is that one of the two of your is lying.
Quote: Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
Again, you say your allowed to post the things you do, yet Count has a completly differant story then you do.
Quote: AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
This would lead the reader to believe that dispite your constant attacks on the MC about not engaging AAA, a topic which we have explained several pages back, several times as well... that there may have been infact more reasons that your not aware of for not attacking them with gusto.
But if I may, we said we didn't attack them, gave some reasons why, yet you still posting about it several pages later, and ironically acusing anyone else who speaks of it as flogging a dead horse.
Quote: I was annoyed with MC, he knows they sent me a downright rude evemail telling me to 'STFU' To put this in context a guy in MC who used to be in ISS mailed him privately to get him to tone it down on the forums as he thought that ISS could probably do without the Butter Dog form of PR in their quest to get help at this time.
Ok maybe not directly a lie, but one can assume that your now exagerating things way out of proportion here.
Here's a portion of some insesent ramblings with Seleene.
Quote: But you still decided that you had the right to tell what to do and not to do, and to top it all off you accused ME of being the reason AAA turned up. If you had better intel you would know exactly why they turned up.
OFC I know why they turned up! I had Evil Thug and Omeega on my TS server and spoke to them directly. As for your role in it, hell yes, I think that if you had followed the lead of 95% of the rest of your alliance that there would be a lot less animosity between IAC and ISS.
My personal favorite.
Quote: I wasnt even in F4 tonight, I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening. I havent said a single word in local.
[20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'.
*insert killmail of Butter Dog here as well, which is deffinatly not in empire
Quote: * Count told me he liked me posting on Eve-O because he said it 'gave ISS a voice' and everyone knew I didnt officially represent the alliance.
Yet, as I've quoted before he says a completly differant thing.
Anyways, there's just a couple examples of where you've been shown to be out right lying, or simply exagerating things to the point of untruth (giving you the benifit of the doubt here.)
Now given that most of your important points have been dimissed, by both sides close to you as rubish, do you have any comment, proof, or otherwise any other reason for the general public to believe what your saying verses the word of everyone else?
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Cyberflayer
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:39:00 -
[453]
Holy crap, this thing is still the top topic?
*facepalm*
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ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 17:50:07
Originally by: Algey Butter, just because you announced in that forum that you were pulling your roles doesn't mean you were not being kicked. It just means you pulled your roles before I could get to you .
As for the rest of your posts, you have not got access to the management group, ISSN Command, or the War room.
Algey, you're a nice chap and I like you.
OF COURSE I would have been kicked after starting a forum spat with MC - thats why I removed my roles and announced my departure. You're not saying anything suprising or even unexpected.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Now given that most of your important points have been dimissed, by both sides close to you as rubish, do you have any comment, proof, or otherwise any other reason for the general public to believe what your saying verses the word of everyone else?
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
Its very weak, Lorth, and everyone can see right through it.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source, I have given a direct account of your outright refusal to engage AAA. Hell, even an ex-MC leader has come on and said pretty much exactly what I did.
Until you can sensibly address these points, you're not contributing anything to this thread apart from making yourself look like a desperate purveyor of 'damage limitation'.
Personal attacks on me only serve to make you look like you have lost the discussion. But please, carry on, I think I might be chuckling myself to sleep again tonight
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:53:00 -
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People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:00:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source,
Well for one, you havn't provided proof dispite being asked to do so several times. And the source you sited came on the forums to publically state that no such conversation ever took place.
Which is kinnda what I was getting at in my previous post. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Especially when no evidence is offered, and everyother person attached to events in question flatty dissagrees with you.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
I dunno...they fought Maelstrom, and we're tough as old boots. _
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:06:00 -
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Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source,
Well for one, you havn't provided proof dispite being asked to do so several times. And the source you sited came on the forums to publically state that no such conversation ever took place.
Which is kinnda what I was getting at in my previous post. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Especially when no evidence is offered, and everyother person attached to events in question flatty dissagrees with you.
I countered that with a DIRECT QUOTE from Count, stating, and I repeat: That you would not have engaged AAA for any price.
My points, as you seem to have convienently forgotten them, are as follows:
* Your contract was for all three outposts, you failed to complete the contract because you got too scared to do anything with AAA in the picture, even when they logged out and left the next day
* You take all the credit F4, depsite the fact it was a total CAKEWALK - and even then you contribute less than a quarter of the capitals and a tenth of the support. You don't deserve all the credit for such a blatant walk in the park, but you suck it up anyway because its all about ego and image
* You walk away from any fight that looks remotely challenging, you are fundamentally risk-averse yet claim to be somehow gung-ho and uber
* There was no contract in the first Prohibition campaign, and you walked away when the going got tougher than expected
So do carry on making a fool of yourself if you wish, but MC lost this thread when one of your ex-leaders came on here, saying exactly what I've been saying.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:16:55
Originally by: KIAEddZ Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
If you are reffering to the 'made up contract', I have stated my course, the conversation took place on Vent. There is nothing more to add.
Either he lied to me, which I don't think he would do, or Seleene lied to him.
At the end of the day, its a point amoung many. I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it, no-one is accusing you of such things though I understand why you are being protective of your fellow mercenaries.
Still, not the most unbiased chip on the block, are you. My only motivation in exposing MC for what they really are, is their attitude. I used to hold them in very high regard, and have enjoyed flying with them on many occasions.
Seeing first hand how they shy away from challenges totally changed my mind about them though.
for the record, I have respect for KIA - your contract with CVA where your loss stats were not that great, but you still posted them anyway and admitted it had been a tough fight, well that gained a lot of peoples respect for sure
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Gazmus
Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:09:00 -
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Ah interesting read beats the usual crap on this forum
Go BD beat spiral cause he is just attention seekin and hope u prove everyone wrong cause that would make for an even better read and see how its spun
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:10:00 -
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We also fought, goons, who we fully expected to be a blobtastic challanging good time, dispite there lack of skill points. To bad they played on thier VCBee alts the whole time.
The last IAC contract wasn't so much of a cakewalk. Least with all the help they managed to recruite over the the war.
Imp/Surpm - Despite the smack thrown at them, they are not two groups known as easy carebear ganks.
RA/Goon's - Again not a group known as easy ganks allaround.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth We also fought, goons, who we fully expected to be a blobtastic challanging good time, dispite there lack of skill points. To bad they played on thier VCBee alts the whole time.
The last IAC contract wasn't so much of a cakewalk. Least with all the help they managed to recruite over the the war.
Imp/Surpm - Despite the smack thrown at them, they are not two groups known as easy carebear ganks.
RA/Goon's - Again not a group known as easy ganks allaround.
So you think fighting the Goons is a real challenge?
lol
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog .
So you think fighting the Goons is a real challenge?
lol
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
Havent you heard of smartbombs?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:16:55
Originally by: KIAEddZ Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
If you are reffering to the 'made up contract', I have stated my course, the conversation took place on Vent. There is nothing more to add.
Either he lied to me, which I don't think he would do, or Seleene lied to him.
At the end of the day, its a point amoung many. I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it, no-one is accusing you of such things though I understand why you are being protective of your fellow mercenaries.
Still, not the most unbiased chip on the block, are you. My only motivation in exposing MC for what they really are, is their attitude. I used to hold them in very high regard, and have enjoyed flying with them on many occasions.
Seeing first hand how they shy away from challenges totally changed my mind about them though.
for the record, I have respect for KIA - your contract with CVA where your loss stats were not that great, but you still posted them anyway and admitted it had been a tough fight, well that gained a lot of peoples respect for sure
Butter you sa you have private messages from Count.... detailing his dissapointment in MC etc.
So you should be able to screenshot that sort of stuff... your claims would be far more believable if you offered real evidence where you could.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 30/12/2006 16:28:02
Originally by: Butter Dog
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
Havent you heard of smartbombs?
The goons are one of THE strongest entities in the game, if you sincerely believe otherwise Butter, you are ignorant at best.
I have no dealings with the MC contract, and this statement is not in defense of them, but rather i feel its only fair to put you right.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:24:04
Originally by: KIAEddZ [
Butter you sa you have private messages from Count.... detailing his dissapointment in MC etc.
So you should be able to screenshot that sort of stuff... your claims would be far more believable if you offered real evidence where you could.
I've directly quoted him, he hasnt denied he wrote it. Thats really all that needs to be said.
If he denies it, which I don't expect he will, then as far as I am concerned the floodgates will open and there will be more than just that screenshot that I'll be posting.
erm... lol - can someone tell me how to take a screenshot of my desktop lol (technically clueless ftl)
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:27:00 -
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Best thing about this thread is that Butter Dog still hasn't realised that he has been played.
Gotta feel kinda sorry for him though.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:28:00 -
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Ok one by one here....
Quote: * Your contract was for all three outposts, you failed to complete the contract because you got too scared to do anything with AAA in the picture, even when they logged out and left the next day
Seleene, and Count have both posted about this, and have both come to a conclusive agreement as to what course of action was choosen because of events that took place in the war. You are the only one dissagreeing with this. And given that you were not in the 'know' according to your own allience leaders, one would have to say that things were changed because and you were not informed as to why.
Your point seems to be "MC should have done this and this" since thats your own ideas, dispite the fact that our client had differant ideas (and posted them here.) MC were never accountable to Butter Dog, and you were never involved in the desistion making processes. So all your really doing in raming your own illinformed ideas as to what we should have done down the readers throat as some deluded verstion of the truth.
Quote: * You take all the credit F4, depsite the fact it was a total CAKEWALK - and even then you contribute less than a quarter of the capitals and a tenth of the support. You don't deserve all the credit for such a blatant walk in the park, but you suck it up anyway because its all about ego and image
Yet strangly enough Count is happy with our performance. I can't find the exact numbers, which were said in this thread, and I wasn't involved in that battle. But I'll just say, the client was happy with what we did, and thats all that counts TBH.
*Hint your not the client
Quote: * There was no contract in the first Prohibition campaign, and you walked away when the going got tougher than expected
You keep trying to ram this down the thoats of the readers as though it were true. Yet the only thing you have going for you to this point is saying it again and again in the vain hope that people will believe it if they read it enough. So like a dozen people before me I maust say "Proof or STFU"
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Torshin
TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:28:00 -
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I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:30:00 -
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This thread is some serious lol
Butter Dog: You realize you're not the only person who doesn't like the MC right? Making a big ****ty thread trying to convey to the entire EVE player base that we're not good at a computer game isn't going to win you any awards or make you rich and famous or anything
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:31:00 -
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Fine, here is the screenshot.
If you are wondering what I was reffing to with the 'I wont post on EVE-O about it' comment, its the fact that MC got scared. That was before they got on my bad side.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Someone should start a merc outfit named suicide squad. That would rock.
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Layla Currie
Followers Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Layla Currie on 30/12/2006 18:34:13
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
I dunno...they fought Maelstrom, and we're tough as old boots.
lol lol lol. No you guys are not tough spiral. I really hope that you don't believe that you guys are
And hahaha at that screenshot bdog posted. That's awesome tbh. But don't worry butter the calls of photoshop are minutes away!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Layla Currie
And hahaha at that screenshot bdog posted. That's awesome tbh. But don't worry butter the calls of photoshop are minutes away!
i'm sure they are!
anyone who knows me knows I have zero technical knowledge though, it took me an hour to find out how to take screenshots of my desktop!
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
BD is not THE ISS FC. Really, what is this.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Torshin I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
BD is not THE ISS FC. Really, what is this.
Mate, don't worry about Torshin, he is clueless.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:38:00 -
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Dear god... get a desktop picture? Ugly blue makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:40:00 -
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Nice madonna album
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:42:00 -
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This is still about not engaging AAA?
I'll just quote Waagaa here then....
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I really do not want to drag tactical and strategical information and or opinions of my own into this, because for a rational discussion about the viability of a POS siege like that you'd have to think about the involved parties, their qualities, skillpoints, experience, etc.
Let's just say that numbers don't say everything.
In the end, you paid us to lead the POS sieges. We fielded a very sizable amount of cap ships on capital ops and Seleene singlehandedly led every single one of them.
So in the end what are you getting at? The fact that we didn't engage AAA when you thought it was a good idea? Since thats been talked about around page 12. And dispite what you wanted it was our capitals, and there of better use to ourselves, and ISS alive rather then dead. Hence why we made the call.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ Nice madonna album
yeah and robbie's new album is just being hidden by BBC news lol
oh god my secret is out - I like Confessions on a dancefloor!
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 18:50:08
lol this thread is ace.
Anyways....
What have we got so far that has any value beyond.. bla bla bla, you suck?
The Accusation
- We have accusations from Butter Dog stating that MC chickened out from fighting AAA even when there was a good chance of winning, i.e MC have no balls, they only fight a sure thing. - BD accuses MC of making up an employer for Operation Prohibition.
MC's Defense
- Well fortunately for MC at the time of the accusations their word is worth more than BD's which gives them a starting advantage. So they can afford to simply say you are lying.. the onus of proof then goes to BD. Thats really all that MC have done to defend themselves at this stage.. and its more than sufficient if no proof is provided.
Butter Dog's Proof
- Butter Dog has provided a quote from a PM from Count T, saying that he was sorely disappointed by MC's performance "I am not afraid to admit that Sel and Ens were being cowards about it....... No money could have made him do it" and a screenshot, which on first inspection looks genuine, but I'm sure there are photoshop experts out there who can find any artifacts on it. - Butter Dog has named his source, Count T as the person who told him about Operation Prohibition having no employer.
Count Tasessine
Everything comes back to the top man.... what it effectively boils down to is.. who is lying?
Is it Count T or Butter Dog?...
We shall see.. very very exciting stuff.
PS - If BD can assure us that his screenshot of that PM is genuine, then Count T is in a whole lot of trouble... and it will be BD that is right.
Its actually all in the screenshot, if it is genuine.. BD wins the case, if it is not... forum hell awaits him.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 18:47:07 Maybe hide the Madonna folder next time too, eh?
I mean you were able to photoshop the convo in there, why not get rid of that?
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Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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lol i cant believe this thread is still going :) i`ll keep my thoughts on this to myself but i think everyone that reads this should send me 2 million isk. For providing you all with such entertainment and iss should pay me like billions for starting the demise of butter dog from there ranks :( (nothing personal butter) so start the wallet flashing please IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Edited by: Lorth on 30/12/2006 18:53:26
Originally by: Nez Perces lol this thread is ace.
Anyways....
What have we got so far that has any value beyond.. bla bla bla, you suck?
The Accusation
- We have accusations from Butter Dog stating that MC chickened out from fighting AAA even when there was a good chance of winning, i.e MC have no balls, they only fight a sure thing. - BD accuses MC of making up an employer for Operation Prohibition.
MC's Defense - Well fortunately for MC at the time of the accusations their word is worth more than BD's which gives them a starting advantage. So they can afford to simply say you are lying.. the onus of proof then goes to BD. Thats really all that MC have done to defend themselves at this stage.. and its more than sufficient if no proof is provided.
Butter Dog's Proof - Butter Dog has provided a quote from a PM from Count T, saying that he was sorely disappointed by MC's performance "I am not afraid to admit that Sel and Ens were being cowards about it....... No money could have made him do it" and a photoshop, which on first inspection looks genuine, but I'm sure there are photoshop experts out there who can find any artifacts on it. - Butter Dog has named his source, Count T as the person who told him about Operation Prohibition having no employer.
Count Tasessine
Everything comes back to the top man.... what it effectively boils down to is.. who is lying?
Is it Count T or Butter Dog?
We shall see.. very very exciting stuff.
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract. And I'm still wondering what, if anything this does to prove the rest of BD's arguments? Good for you, you have a screen shot, now lets see something that isn't about a topic already discussed, and involving some of the slanderous accusasions your making (like a faked contract)
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:49:00 -
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Reading Nez's post is like hearing a ring-side commentator. Break it down blow by blow Nez!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:53:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Lorth [
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract.
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:55:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Lorth
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract.
It does much more than that Lorth....
think past the physicality of it.... if the screenshot is genuine, then Count Tessanine lied in his post here on the forums. I.e he lied in public. Thats a big no no.
His word willl be worth zero. Now once that happens Butter Dog's claims become true also.
If what Butter Dog is saying is true.. then OMG.... MC is srewed.
This is big, make no mistake about it.
The thing is though ... Butter Dog is not home free by any stretch of the imagination... Count T and ISS are gonna pull out all the stops now.... it is Count T's reputation on the line, and by implication ISS'.
Infact the battle has now become ISS vs Butter Dog... MC's reputation is now intrinsically tied to ISS'
MC don't have a lot to say in this affair, until ISS have defended themselves.. from the screenshot revelation.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:56:00 -
[493]
Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:57:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:59:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Ikvar Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:01:00 -
[496]
This certainly ISNT me V ISS and I'm not going to be dragged into that.
Count did lie when he said I had been kicked, yes - and we have proof of that from a longstanding ISSN member who kindly posted my ISSN forum post stating I was leaving due to MC.
But to be honest, its in his interest to maintain good relations with MC, and its only natural that he might say one thing in private and another publically regarding MC. That should not suprise anyone.
Count is a genuinely nice guy, I don't know why he posted in this thread saying the things he did about me, that was an error of judgement perhaps. But my only choice at that point was to respond with what I knew, but what until that point I did not wish to say.
But the gloves are by no means off between me and Count, nor do I wish them to be. This is about MC, not him.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:02:00 -
[497]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
You're deluded beyond all help.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:03:00 -
[498]
Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 19:03:26
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
Wanna see me get out of this easily?
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
You're deluded beyond all help.
Is this the part where someone makes a reference involving a pot, a kettle and some black paint?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:03:00 -
[499]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Somebody is telling porkies....
Until ISS defend themselves.. MC would do themselves a big favour by accepting the fact that the proof provided is sufficient for this the show to move forward to the next stage.
ISS vs Butter Dog.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:04:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
No idea. If it was up to me though, if I didn't think that what we were being paid would cover the potential risk (I.E. an AAA capital gang dropping in on top of our dreads whilst they're engaging a POS) then I wouldn't take that risk.
I don't care though really, EVE politics are pretty stupid whatever way you look at them. I'm just here because I like arguments
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:05:00 -
[501]
can you plz post some screenshots of the iss private section of the forum i cant read yet? thanks ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:05:00 -
[502]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 19:06:39
Originally by: Butter Dog This certainly ISNT me V ISS and I'm not going to be dragged into that.
Count did lie when he said I had been kicked, yes - and we have proof of that from a longstanding ISSN member who kindly posted my ISSN forum post stating I was leaving due to MC.
But to be honest, its in his interest to maintain good relations with MC, and its only natural that he might say one thing in private and another publically regarding MC. That should not suprise anyone.
Count is a genuinely nice guy, I don't know why he posted in this thread saying the things he did about me, that was an error of judgement perhaps. But my only choice at that point was to respond with what I knew, but what until that point I did not wish to say.
But the gloves are by no means off between me and Count, nor do I wish them to be. This is about MC, not him.
Wrong.... this has now become all about you and Count T, all your evidence is directly related to Count T.
You should have thought about that before coming to the forums.
Either you follow through and do what you need to do... or you lose.. your call.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:06:00 -
[503]
Originally by: petergriffen Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 18:47:07 Maybe hide the Madonna folder next time too, eh?
I mean you were able to photoshop the convo in there, why not get rid of that?
Photoshop?
Proof or STFU? Isn't that an MC favourite?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Nez Perces
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Only if you consider that sensitive info right? I wouldn't.
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Count TaSessine AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
And in the style of this thread, I'll declare myself the winner, since I can't miss out on a trend.
No Lorth that doesn't work, in the same post Count T said that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for 6 months or so.. "I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog for 6 months or so".
But the PM Butter Dog has shown us is from Dec 22nd ???
Somebody is telling porkies....
Until ISS defend themselves.. MC would do themselves a big favour by accepting the fact that the proof provided is sufficient for this the show to move forward to the next stage.
ISS vs Butter Dog.
none of that seemed like sensitive information to be honest mate. It was a comment not some secret intel. -
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:08:00 -
[506]
ISS arn't going to fight AAA?
damn... Guess you can just give me all your stations now then.
Save us all the trouble.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:09:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Ikvar Just out of interest, why does it matter about AAA? If Sel didn't think it was a good idea to take them on then what's the problem with that?
Very confusing.
Yes that would be fine... except if your employer was "immensely disappointed"... and thought you were "being cowards about it" and that.. "no money could have made him do it".. talking about Seleene.
Butter Dog has provided a screenshot where your employer said those things.
If true, then it would prove that MC heard AAA were turning up, picked up their toys and ran home.. irrelevant of any "plan" or isk the employer had.
Thats [b]not[b/] the image MC projects.. now is it?
But isnt the question then, why isnt Count saying that to Sel ? Why is he keeping it between him and Bitter Dog ?
Mercenaries are what they are, Mercs, they have no interests in the war and the will to suicide their whole fleet only comes with a big enough price tag. Maybe the price was too steep for ISS, hireing a merc does not buy you a army of loyal followers who will do anything for the cause. People seem to forget that.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:09:00 -
[508]
I dont see the lie from Count tbh.
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
I see no lie there.
He says in public he is happy with MCs performance, and that as his public face is fine, his more private face says that he was dissapointed with MCs refusal to fight AAA no matter what money etc... that is hardly a vare face dlie.
He is dissapointed with MCs action concerning that AAA battle (MC made the right decision 100%), but still overall satisfied with the job they did. He has been clear rthat they fulfilled thier ocntract as far as he is concerned.
As for pitting Butter vs Count.... thats just wishful thinking tbh
Butter stumped up some proof at last, but it doesnt prove much other than Count wanted LV and MC to engage AAA, which simply wasnt his call.... the contract terms that were paid for did not specify engaging AAA, and i expect MC were not prepped for such an engagement.
The fake contract... No proof
The Failed Contract.... No Prooof
BUtter is asking us to take him at his word... and it is ngh on impossible to do that when his word is in direct conflict with Seleene's and Count's
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:10:00 -
[509]
And btw Butter Dog.. I wouldn't shed any tears for Count T, he has hung you out to dry in the most visible way possible... he effectively called you a liar and a trouble maker on the forums.. if what you are saying is true.. he stabbed you in the back.. and put you up for public lynching.
Don't waste your tears on him, I gurantee you his wasting none on you.
BD you are alone... ISS have disowned you.. there is no going back now.
You started this and you must finish it.. or it will finish you.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:10:00 -
[510]
I've never known a thread to deliver so much for so long
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:10:00 -
[511]
OY!
This thread is about IAC v ISS.
Count and BD go get a room and stop crowding our thread...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:11:00 -
[512]
Maybe this thread could be a little better if (aside from BD) we could all agree that dropping into siege in front of a hostile POS with an opponent like AAA in the system with simular numbers is generally not thought of as a good idea.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:11:00 -
[513]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:13:00 -
[514]
Originally by: Kryztal
But isnt the question then, why isnt Count saying that to Sel ? Why is he keeping it between him and Bitter Dog ?
Perhaps MC have ISS wrapped wround their little finger? Perhaps ISS is genuinely scared of MC not doing anymore contracts.. perhaps MC owns ISS as far as contracts are concerned.
Who is the daddy?
Perhaps Count T, can only say the things he really feels in private, to people like butter dog.... perhaps Count T is a liar.. and actually tacitly approved of Butter Dog's antics on the forums.
The screenshot stands.
ISS are on trial.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar GTE Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:13:00 -
[515]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter OY!
This thread is about IAC v ISS.
Count and BD go get a room and stop crowding our thread...
I thought it was about using a Moros to mine?
it certainly delivers though. gl on teh pewpew
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:15:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Butter Dog Fine, here is the screenshot.
If you are wondering what I was reffing to with the 'I wont post on EVE-O about it' comment, its the fact that MC got scared. That was before they got on my bad side.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/players/pm_screen_20061230192614.jpg
Oh ho ho!!! Now THIS has my attention. I will certianly look forward to seeing a reply to this.
As for the rest... Butter, I'm not afraid to admit that Count's opinion of military matters means very little to me. Let me break it down:
I will not jump two dozen capital ships into a system with 80+ confirmed hostiles logged off. In addition to that, I will not force an attack against an enemy with a possibly greater number of capital ships within jump range. Even if I did, I would most certianly not lock my dreads down into siege mode for ten minutes.
Furthermore, when the LEADERS of the enemy force come onto my TS and tell me specifically, "We are here to kill the titan and capital ships.", you know what you do not do? You don't go in half-assed!
The list of variables goes on and on, but the fact is this - people smarter than you about things military made the right call to put the brakes on. Just because you wanted to Lerooooy on in does not make you brave and everyone else cowards.
As for going forward against AAA and "no amount of money"? Dude, did you see ISS offering to reimburse MC losing several dreads in addition to paying us to move against a IAC / AAA conglomerate? No, you didn't, because no such offer was made. I was very clear on the fact that if ISS wanted us to go further with this with AAA being involved that the costs involved would go up accordingly. That was as far as it got and if you choose to see us refusing a measly 10 billion to continue forward against such a force as "failure", then why don't you start your own mercenary / PvP alliance and show us all how it's done, eh?
Now, I'm going to sit back and wait for Count's next post. Regardless of everything else, that is an interesting screenshot. -
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Jim Lovell
Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:15:00 -
[517]
LOL @ this thread
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:15:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Nez Perces And btw Butter Dog.. I wouldn't shed any tears for Count T, he has hung you out to dry in the most visible way possible... he effectively called you a liar and a trouble maker on the forums.. if what you are saying is true.. he stabbed you in the back.. and put you up for public lynching.
Don't waste your tears on him, I gurantee you his wasting none on you.
BD you are alone... ISS have disowned you.. there is no going back now.
You started this and you must finish it.. or it will finish you.
I can't say I was pleased with what Count said about me, but equally he was probably annoyed with me for falling out so publically with MC
I guess when it comes down to, what I have said would make him a liar in certain respects, but I didnt really think of it in that way.
Think about it: I like ISS, I've been very happy working with MC before. It took a GENUINE concern, a real aggrevation to cause me to say what I have done. I'm not some anti-ISS/MC fanboi, it took a lot for me to say what I have done.
I do so honestly, and in good faith. I have nothing to gain by lying when you think about it - MC on the other hand, do.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:15:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
Its likewise very easy to quit before doing something you know will get you kicked in order the claim some sort of moral high ground is it not?
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:20:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Seleene Oh ho ho!!!
I always knew Seleene was Father Christmas' alt
Ice.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:22:00 -
[521]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 19:25:07
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Butter Dog Fine, here is the screenshot.
If you are wondering what I was reffing to with the 'I wont post on EVE-O about it' comment, its the fact that MC got scared. That was before they got on my bad side.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/players/pm_screen_20061230192614.jpg
Oh ho ho!!! Now THIS has my attention. I will certianly look forward to seeing a reply to this.
As for the rest... Butter, I'm not afraid to admit that Count's opinion of military matters means very little to me. Let me break it down:
I will not jump two dozen capital ships into a system with 80+ confirmed hostiles logged off. In addition to that, I will not force an attack against an enemy with a possibly greater number of capital ships within jump range. Even if I did, I would most certianly not lock my dreads down into siege mode for ten minutes.
Furthermore, when the LEADERS of the enemy force come onto my TS and tell me specifically, "We are here to kill the titan and capital ships.", you know what you do not do? You don't go in half-assed!
The list of variables goes on and on, but the fact is this - people smarter than you about things military made the right call to put the brakes on. Just because you wanted to Lerooooy on in does not make you brave and everyone else cowards.
As for going forward against AAA and "no amount of money"? Dude, did you see ISS offering to reimburse MC losing several dreads in addition to paying us to move against a IAC / AAA conglomerate? No, you didn't, because no such offer was made. I was very clear on the fact that if ISS wanted us to go further with this with AAA being involved that the costs involved would go up accordingly. That was as far as it got and if you choose to see us refusing a measly 10 billion to continue forward against such a force as "failure", then why don't you start your own mercenary / PvP alliance and show us all how it's done, eh?
Now, I'm going to sit back and wait for Count's next post. Regardless of everything else, that is an interesting screenshot.
Seleene,
I'm sure it would suit you very much to break down this thread to a singular issue, but its much more than that and you know it.
This is about how MC lie, spin, and do and say anything and everything possible to make themselves look gleaming and spotless, at the expense of good fights, tough contracts, and even acknowledging the contribution of others.
In the past 12 months your outfit has bypassed tough contracts, walked away when things looks tough, and claimed all the glory for a joint-effort in F4 which saw you contributing only a fraction of the forces. You can only do that for so long before people call you up and tell you what you really are - a self-publicity obsessed drama queen with a chronic lack of balls.
It wasnt about that ONE FIGHT, it was about your outright refusal to fulfil the contract even when AAA logged in the next say and left.
So don't spin this into a 'I know better than Count' thread, its nothing of the sort. Your issue dodging and selective replies only serve to heighten others impatience with your 'omg we uber' image, and the less than impressive reality.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:24:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Lorth Maybe this thread could be a little better if (aside from BD) we could all agree that dropping into siege in front of a hostile POS with an opponent like AAA in the system with simular numbers is generally not thought of as a good idea.
Don't go there, please don't. :) -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:24:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Lorth
Its likewise very easy to quit before doing something you know will get you kicked in order the claim some sort of moral high ground is it not?
I've already said that I knew I would be kicked for publically falling out with MC, and that I quit for that very reason before making any posts about you.
That was entirely MY choice, it was nothing to do with ISS or anyone else.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:24:00 -
[524]
Just so I know. If it was your call would you have honestly dropped into siege and eventually fought AAA, in front of a hostile POS?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:25:00 -
[525]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/12/2006 19:29:44
Originally by: Seleene As for going forward against AAA and "no amount of money"? Dude, did you see ISS offering to reimburse MC losing several dreads in addition to paying us to move against a IAC / AAA conglomerate? No, you didn't, because no such offer was made. I was very clear on the fact that if ISS wanted us to go further with this with AAA being involved that the costs involved would go up accordingly. That was as far as it got and if you choose to see us refusing a measly 10 billion to continue forward against such a force as "failure", then why don't you start your own mercenary / PvP alliance and show us all how it's done, eh?
Sel your obviously tired today, because I have wanted to say this for about 9 pages. Thk fk you eventually put it straight.
There is the reality.
ISS pay 60 bill... Sel takes teh cap fleet in and loses them all if necessary.
ISS agree to replace all cap ships lost, Sel takes them all in and loses them all if necessary.
ISS want MC to carry on with same contract for 10 bill more, against a far more deadly foe... lol get fkin real.
MC are all about the isk, that is the bottom line. Pay them enough, and theyd even go shoot bob.
Now like Sel, this thread just got interesting, as that screenshot which we had to goad from Butter, just made the ball game a little brighter.
Edit: As for the dodging contracts Butter.... your still ****ing in the wind there m8y. And same goes for the FAke contract one, proof or stfu.
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ "Merc Corps make up Contracts"
1. Proof or stfu
2. Sigh...... of course we do.
"MC Only take on fights they can win"
1. errr Yes
2. errrrrr Yes.....
Never go into a fight you cant win, unless losing serves some greater purpose.
(i have soo much more to say, but i have had no sleep in 48 hrs, and I am dozy, maybe i will post later)
Summary
BD. Proof or stfu.
WE all know you made up plenty eddz
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 19:28:43
Originally by: Butter Dog
I guess when it comes down to, what I have said would make him a liar in certain respects, but I didnt really think of it in that way.
It doesn't matter .. something is very wrong when an alliance leader says one thing on the forums, yet knowing full well that somebody has PM's with him saying quite the opposite. His intent is quite clear..
He wants to discredit you.. the implication of Count T's post is that you photoshopped that screenshot... and that he does not talk to you about sensitive issues.
Thats a pretty big lie.
What does this mean for MC? well it starts to get a little bit complicated.
Even if you are telling the truth.... what you are basing it on could be somebody who is a pathological liar... so your evidence about MC, becomes shaky... I mean who can trust the word of somebody who lies???
Thats the problem with having only one piece of evidence, if the source itself is discredited.. then the evidence itself becomes suspect.
So.... in the end, if you win this .. what will happen is that ISS as an entity will be completely discredited.. MC will take a reputation hit, but not as much as could have been with a more varied source of proof.
If Count T is lying then he could be lying about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.
This is what I was trying to tell you about Seleene and MC, they have their bases covered pretty hard.
Its a tricky one.
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freek
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:28:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth [
Well lets also point out that all the screen shot effectivly does, is prove that we didn't engage AAA, which we have admited (8 pages ago), and stated reasons (though purposly vague) as to why not.
So we're left with Count being dissapointed in that desistion, and still nothing about the faked contract.
lol
you're not getting out of this that easily.
You refused to engage AAA in that one fight - fine, maybe I can live with that. You then refused point blank to engage in any further fights with AAA even remotely in the picture, because you fear them, and you fear losing.
You then pack up and leave, claming glorious victory (ie a cakewalk in F4 in which you played a supporting role along with other allied forces), and walk away from the other two contract objectives.
You FAILED.
MC and LV would not fight AAA for ISS big deal..
I don't see ISS steping up with billions of ISK's worth of capital ships to do the job, and it's not like MC and LV could have counted on ISS and ISSN for back up if we had gone up against AAA, if the alliance we were fighting for had the fire power and combat know how to back us up I am sure it would have been a diffrent story however I for one would not have dropped my dread in to an AAA trap knowing the only back up I had was ISS.
Personally I get the feeling this is butterdogs get our clause and a case of jump before you were pushed and clutch at straws on the way down for an excuse. BD has spent so much time shouting his mouth off about ISS that now he has to actually step up and fight for ISS without the backup of MC and LV he is bailing on them using MC as an excuse when we were told 2 days before this to withdraw form F4R as our contract was over and TBH most of MC gave up in F4R long before that because we were fighting a losing battle trying to lead gangs containing ISS members and and their spys on TS.
If we were only a support role then ISS will have no problems holding F4R and moving on to take the other 2 outposts without any further involvment from us will they.....
ISS could not even muster a gang to support the taking down of the POS in that system even after Sel had requested it in the chat channels before it was started, ISS expected MC to come do all the work as usual thats why the POS was stolen and re anchored by IAC.
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Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:29:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Seleene
Now, I'm going to sit back and wait for Count's next post. Regardless of everything else, that is an interesting screenshot.
And so it heats up further
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:30:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Seleene Now, I'm going to sit back and wait for Count's next post. Regardless of everything else, that is an interesting screenshot.
Let me quote you, Seleene. "sounds very unlike Count TBH"
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 19:34:03
Originally by: Nez Perces
He wants to discredit you.. the implication of Count T's post is that you photoshopped that screenshot... and that he does not talk to you about sensitive issues.
Well I hope someone who is an expert with these things looks at the screenshot, which is a good quality jpeg 'print screen' job, and confirms quickly thats its genuine.
As anyone who knows me understands, I'm far from being technically minded.
edit: anyway, I dont think count will deny sending it
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Zazhra
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:36:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Butter Dog
edit: anyway, I dont think count will deny sending it
well thats what we are all waiting for now.. a statement from Coun T/ISS.
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Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:36:00 -
[533]
Hah so much drama in one thread and it aint about bob, this is great
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Yes, there were plans to take all three. However, those same plans also called for a break over the holidays right after F4R fell. That break would have allowed ISS and IAC to possibly talk a bit or just gear up for more slaughter. Either way, I can't remember the last time everything went according to plan.
Sounds to me like BD was right, you pulled out of a contract because things went badly, sounds a lot like the first IAC contract. Take it as a flame if you want, I am just telling you how it looks.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:40:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Seleene "We are here to kill the titan and capital ships."
c-o-o-k-i-e-s
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:41:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'
Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.
Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.
As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:43:00 -
[537]
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'
Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.
Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.
As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.
Coming from someone in MC, your opinion is of course completely unbiased with regard to me
Honestly, why did you even bother posting that?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Seleene,
I'm sure it would suit you very much to break down this thread to a singular issue, but its much more than that and you know it.
This is about how MC lie, spin, and do and say anything and everything possible to make themselves look gleaming and spotless, at the expense of good fights, tough contracts, and even acknowledging the contribution of others.
If you think 9UY was easy, you're gravely mistaken. We nearly lost two capital ships and we pulled something off which had my MSN light up with convos from people from major alliances that wondered how the hell we managed to pull off a POS assault with 200-ish fighters hammering our dreads.
Your oh so favorite carrier bombing tactics are **** when countered adequately. Especially in the age of rigs, be my guest to stick 300 minnie fighters on my revelation and we'll show you how effective fighter bombing is. Yes, this does not require a Titan, just lots of preparation, dedication and planning.
9UY took hours of planning and it was a "walk in the park" because the pirates found out their fighter bombing wasn't working and pulled down their POS, basically making our job a lot less hard or at least less tedious.
Originally by: Butter Dog
In the past 12 months your outfit has bypassed tough contracts, walked away when things looks tough, and claimed all the glory for a joint-effort in F4 which saw you contributing only a fraction of the forces. You can only do that for so long before people call you up and tell you what you really are - a self-publicity obsessed drama queen with a chronic lack of balls.
To be honest, call us overcautious or concerned about client value for money, it's a fine line. We will not accept impossible contracts, because it doesn't do anything good for both ourselves and the client.
We take manageable objectives over non-planned open-ended deals because that's simply good business. We don't bother with fighting "fair" numbers when we have a job to do. If a certain fight isn't needed for the contract's objectives, two things can happen: 1) It will be a clear win and some good fun for our peeps and won't set us back with our objective -> sure, go for it if we have the time 2) It might be suicide, might give a good fight. If everyone has plenty of ships in the area to replace possible losses and it won't lose us too much time and we have a competent FC yadda yadda I will be the first to jump in. :) 3) Could be a good fight, might swing either way, but we got things to do. Sorry, you won't get a fight :)
Originally by: Butter Dog
It wasnt about that ONE FIGHT, it was about your outright refusal to fulfil the contract even when AAA logged in the next say and left.
It's not my job to go into transaction details and inter-alliance issues etc, so I can't go into this. :)
Originally by: Butter Dog
So don't spin this into a 'I know better than Count' thread, its nothing of the sort. Your issue dodging and selective replies only serve to heighten others impatience with your 'omg we uber' image, and the less than impressive reality.
We're pretty damn uber because we tend to get the job done that we are paid for. Ask Count what ISS had paid for the moment F4R fell into ISS' hands. I think he stated earlier he at least got what he had paid for.
We're not composed of omgwtfbbqer PvPers, MC's strength is that we combine all parts of PvP in this game and make it work.
As to fake contracts: - There's only 3-4 people within the MC that know who the client was for Prohibition I. I think your lead might just think there is no client because not even all MC directors know. :) Yes, sometimes we just go by Seleene's or someone else's word. It's because they earned that respect. - I think there's only two people in the MC that communicated with the BB contract client. No wonder people think there was no client, because we ain't telling everyone who it is!
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:48:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Butter has been kicked, he quit b4 the kicking, but Count has made a public acknowledgement that Butters actions are not welcome in ISS.
Are you being deliberately clueless here?
Just doesnt even make sense... 'he quit before he kicked'... yes its very easy to watch someone walk out then say 'I was gonna kick u anyway!'
Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'
Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.
Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.
As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.
Coming from someone in MC, your opinion is of course completely unbiased with regard to me
Honestly, why did you even bother posting that?
Fair enough, however why bother posting ridiculous claims that you can neither back up nor prove about 'fake contracts' and unmet obligations?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:50:00 -
[540]
Wait a second... part of using mercs is the possibility to stay anonymous, it's one of our core selling points. So no **** people don't get informed about who hires us, sometimes even within our organization.
So in the end it will always be our word against someone else's.
Thing is, our word is our business, one of our leadership lying about something in public would be like destroying our business. We have a lot more to lose by lying than someone like you with zero real "risk".
In the end, all that matters is what those that can afford us and hire us think. We've got a lot of returning customers so we must be doing something good.
Just keep one thing in mind, merc are not knights in shining armor.
We are businessmen, but instead of selling goods, we sell death. If an offer isn't profitable we won't do it. We do stick to our objectives though when the ISK has been sent. -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:53:00 -
[541]
Originally by: petergriffen
Fair enough, however why bother posting ridiculous claims that you can neither back up nor prove about 'fake contracts' and unmet obligations?
I take it you havent read the thread then? Please do, I can't be bothered to repeat everything here. Pay particular attention to what one of your ex-Leaders said.
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:54:00 -
[542]
i can't believe nobodys flaming BD because he has a madonna CD on his desktop?
i win the thread again \o/
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:55:00 -
[543]
Originally by: nickky01 i can't believe nobodys flaming BD because he has a madonna CD on his desktop?
i win the thread again \o/
At least he didn't have the mantrain as background
I poo on you and win this thread \o/ ____________
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:56:00 -
[544]
Originally by: petergriffen
Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'
Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.
Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.
As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.
No no no no... this is just standard MC spin... no no no no.
There is a screenshot with Count T saying things like :
"I think Sel and Ens are being cowards"
[i]"Sel .. well he just showed us what he is made of. No money would have made him do it"... implying that more isk was on the table should MC have agreed to it.[i]
Nothing MC say will change what the screenshot says. Its an employer, MC's primary employer stating that MC are lacking in the testicular department. You can't spin that.
Moving on...
The issue here is threefold:
Is the screenshot real?
If the screenshot is real, can what Count T says be trusted at all, since he would have been lying in statement about Butter Dog on these forums?
If Count T is not insane... then we have to assume that he told Butter Dog in the PM is what he really thinks.. as it was done in private, and he would have nothing to gain by lying to BD.
Either way if the screenshot is not discredited.. then the MC and ISS relationship is dead in the water.
MC will have lost a main source of income, and ISS will have lost their main providers of firepower.
IAC will be laughing its ass off.. BD will be vindicated and would have "won" the thread.. and have a reputation fully restored. The big losers would be MC and ISS.
So please after 19 pages of revelations and logical arguments... no MC brainless spin.. no.
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:58:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Nez Perces
BD will be vindicated and would have "won" the thread..
*I* won the thread.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:00:00 -
[546]
Originally by: nickky01 i can't believe nobodys flaming BD because he has a madonna CD on his desktop?
i win the thread again \o/
I already said something about the Madonna CD, so I take one of your victories.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:01:00 -
[547]
If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:01:00 -
[548]
Originally by: petergriffen
Basically what it comes down to is a crying little baby, stomping his feet and screaming because he thinks something is due to him.
No actually atm thats what you are doing...
The screenshot is there for all to see... k..... you can't like wish it away.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:01:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Butter Dog In the past 12 months your outfit has bypassed tough contracts,
Which ones were those? I ask because we get more than one or two offers a week, most of which come directly to my inbox. So, unless you have access to that or have an alt who happens to be named Neurotic Cat, Larsson7 or Dri Kulsane then you can't possibly know what offers we consider.
Quote: walked away when things looks tough,
Prohibition Part I was called off by me when our client vanished for a week. My guys were dying to keep going, especially after the spanking we took in F4R on the final morning. Outside of that last fight, IAC will tell you that they had one hell of a time fighting MC and FIX. But, as Eddz and others have tried to say over and over - No pay, no shooty shooty. I don't give a damn if that seems realistic to you or not.
Quote: and claimed all the glory for a joint-effort in F4 which saw you contributing only a fraction of the forces.
I think I've been pretty good about thanking those involved. FIX, LV, Tyrell Corp, UK, ISS, Veto... The people who I worked with on a daily basis know who did what and how things went down. It was a joint effort all the way, but do you honestly believe that F4R would be flying the ISS flag today without MC being involved?
Quote: You can only do that for so long before people call you up and tell you what you really are - a self-publicity obsessed drama queen with a chronic lack of balls.
I've been called much worse by people whom I actually have respect for, m8.
Quote: It wasnt about that ONE FIGHT, it was about your outright refusal to fulfil the contract even when AAA logged in the next say and left.
See previous posts by myself and Eddz explaining the mercenary profession to you. -
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:03:00 -
[550]
Nez, I think you are missing an important factor when drawing your conclusion.
The initial contract (as far as I understand) did not include fighting AAA. When the situation changes it isn't just the price that needs to be adjusted.
With MC you need two things, a plan and ISK.
If ISS had no plan to fight AAA, then no amount of ISK would get MC involved. What would be the point? Without an objective mercs serve no useful purpose, certainly not by just by being a meatshield (no matter how well paid).
Even if it is Count's opinion that Sel lacked testicular fortitude, that does not mean it is true. All that post seems to imply is that Count hoped that MC would pew pew for isk, with no goal and no end-point. No self respecting merc outfit would sign up for that gig.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:03:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
Yup I'll do it.. in the interests of fair play.
Seleene knows my mind and how I wouldn't do anytying untoward.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:03:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: petergriffen
Basically what it comes down to is a crying little baby, stomping his feet and screaming because he thinks something is due to him.
No actually atm thats what you are doing...
The screenshot is there for all to see... k..... you can't like wish it away.
Nez, no one in MC is trying to wash that away. In fact, it's got us all eagerly watching this thread again. Obviously, someone has some explaining to do. -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:03:00 -
[553]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 20:04:38
Originally by: Seleene do you honestly believe that F4R would be flying the ISS flag today without MC being involved?
With FIX, UK, TYC, LV involved?
Yes, I do. The largest hostile fleet we encountered was about 25 BS plus support. It was a cakewalk.
But I suppose in comparison to some of your contracts, you might consider it 'tough'.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:04:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
Now you're calling one of the few people who have been arguing for your cause a 'neutral party?'
What exactly is your agenda, Butter Dog? Or are you just playing it by ear, much the same way as you FC? I would imagine that most people who want to start a smear campaign have a plan of some sort...
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:05:00 -
[555]
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: nickky01 i can't believe nobodys flaming BD because he has a madonna CD on his desktop?
i win the thread again \o/
I already said something about the Madonna CD, so I take one of your victories.
you are my new arch-nemesis
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:06:00 -
[556]
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
Now you're calling one of the few people who have been arguing for your cause a 'neutral party?'
What exactly is your agenda, Butter Dog? Or are you just playing it by ear, much the same way as you FC? I would imagine that most people who want to start a smear campaign have a plan of some sort...
fine, we can both agree on someone, and THEY can have my login details - its not like I need them anymore
Peter, I have to say you are coming across as being UTTERLY clueless with regard to why I am posting here. Read the thread and cut the drivel.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:06:00 -
[557]
Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 20:06:23
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: petergriffen
Basically what it comes down to is a crying little baby, stomping his feet and screaming because he thinks something is due to him.
No actually atm thats what you are doing...
The screenshot is there for all to see... k..... you can't like wish it away.
Nez, no one in MC is trying to wash that away. In fact, it's got us all eagerly watching this thread again. Obviously, someone has some explaining to do.
Yes, I am also anxiously awaiting Count's response. I'm not arguing the screenshot. The photoshop comment was a joke about the Madonna folder being in plain view on the desktop.
"If the photo was fake, why would he want to incriminate himself further by leaving it there instead of removing it?"
note: sense of humor required.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:06:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Avon
If ISS had no plan to fight AAA, then no amount of ISK would get MC involved. What would be the point? Without an objective mercs serve no useful purpose, certainly not by just by being a meatshield (no matter how well paid).
Even if it is Count's opinion that Sel lacked testicular fortitude, that does not mean it is true. All that post seems to imply is that Count hoped that MC would pew pew for isk, with no goal and no end-point. No self respecting merc outfit would sign up for that gig.
Perhaps... what you are typing would make senes.. but for one thing.
This was not some first time contract, ISS are MC's primary employer.. afte all this time, suddenly ISS became inept and could not put a plan together with some isk??
Comeon Avon. Something is wrong here.
Something is wrong... its there but you cant touch it. If the screenshot is real then ISS and MC have fallen out massively.
Is it because ISS have become inept, or is it because MC bailed out when the going got tough?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:07:00 -
[559]
Originally by: Reknaw A'ru
Originally by: freek ...TBH most of MC gave up in F4R long before...
So you don't always 100% commit to finishing a contract?
Nope.
If freek is online and Seleene or whoever is in command tell him to push the button, freek goes into ******* siege or I call him primary myself. :)
"haven given up" doesn't mean we won't do the job. I think he was just relaying the feelings he was experiencing. :)
Not too happy with freek's post though, emotions aren't really the best thing in threads like these. :) -
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:08:00 -
[560]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 20:08:40
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: petergriffen
Basically what it comes down to is a crying little baby, stomping his feet and screaming because he thinks something is due to him.
No actually atm thats what you are doing...
The screenshot is there for all to see... k..... you can't like wish it away.
Nez, no one in MC is trying to wash that away. In fact, it's got us all eagerly watching this thread again. Obviously, someone has some explaining to do.
No-one has any explaining to do.
Count paid you to do something, he has a right to his opinion about it. Or can your precious ego not cope with someone failing to worship all you do behind your back?
Your provide a service, people pay for that service, and now they arent allowed to voice dissatisfaction amougst their own ranks?
Never has the phrase 'get over yourself' been more appropriate.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:08:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
Now you're calling one of the few people who have been arguing for your cause a 'neutral party?'
What exactly is your agenda, Butter Dog? Or are you just playing it by ear, much the same way as you FC? I would imagine that most people who want to start a smear campaign have a plan of some sort...
fine, we can both agree on someone, and THEY can have my login details - its not like I need them anymore
Peter, I have to say you are coming across as being UTTERLY clueless with regard to why I am posting here. Read the thread and cut the drivel.
You haven't POSTED anything with ANY merit except for a screenshot of a message that Count sent to you in a private forum. If you think you're posting to 'expose MC for being corrupt' or whatever, you lost that war on Page 1.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:08:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Nez Perces
This was not some first time contract, ISS are MC's primary employer.. afte all this time, suddenly ISS became inept and could not put a plan together with some isk??
A plan, sure. A plan in a day to effectively fight AAA? Tricky.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:10:00 -
[563]
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
Now you're calling one of the few people who have been arguing for your cause a 'neutral party?'
What exactly is your agenda, Butter Dog? Or are you just playing it by ear, much the same way as you FC? I would imagine that most people who want to start a smear campaign have a plan of some sort...
fine, we can both agree on someone, and THEY can have my login details - its not like I need them anymore
Peter, I have to say you are coming across as being UTTERLY clueless with regard to why I am posting here. Read the thread and cut the drivel.
You haven't POSTED anything with ANY merit except for a screenshot of a message that Count sent to you in a private forum. If you think you're posting to 'expose MC for being corrupt' or whatever, you lost that war on Page 1.
you seriously need to read the thread, because you're looking rather silly right now
But please do carry on making clueless comments if you enjoy public ridicule.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:11:00 -
[564]
I do enjoy public ridicule, that's why I'm reading a thread with the public ridiculing you.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:11:00 -
[565]
Originally by: petergriffen
Now you're calling one of the few people who have been arguing for your cause a 'neutral party?'
Actually I don't like Butter Dog much, I think he is obnoxious, has a big mouth... etc.. etc...
I have no dog in this race, other than to see it reach a logical fair conclusion, simply because I believe the forums can be a valuable tool, beyond the usual smack, propaganda fests.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:12:00 -
[566]
Should the screenshot posted by BD be real, I personally think it would be in the best interests of MC to stop the damage control and come clean.
I couldn't care less of what happens to MCs reputation, however currently you seem to be focusing on everything else but the actual issue - the issue being that you supposedly refused to fight AAA no matter what the cost would be. It's fair to state that you wont fight an enemy like AAA, however your current behaviour, that screenshot along with that discussion a few months back about people needing a plan etc. does nothing but hurt your reputation as mercs. ____________
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:13:00 -
[567]
Originally by: petergriffen I do enjoy public ridicule, that's why I'm reading a thread with the public ridiculing you.
Oh god, now you're just trolling.
No-one is ridiculing me here. All my points stand, pretty much uncontested and with proof. I've quoted my sources.
You'll notice several people who are NOT MC are actually saying that they like what I'm saying.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:14:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Avon
A plan, sure. A plan in a day to effectively fight AAA? Tricky.
Right.. but its a two-way street Avon.. if ISS really wanted MC to attack AAA and put isk and a plan together... with the long standing relationship they have MC should have been able to meet them half way and elaborate a more suitable plan perhaps at a time of MC's chosing.
What seems to have happened is a complete breakdown in the long-standing relationship.
The question is why?
Did ISS suddenly become retarded? or did MC see AAA arrive.. and said "no way Jose"?
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:18:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Avon Nez, I think you are missing an important factor when drawing your conclusion.
The initial contract (as far as I understand) did not include fighting AAA. When the situation changes it isn't just the price that needs to be adjusted.
With MC you need two things, a plan and ISK.
If ISS had no plan to fight AAA, then no amount of ISK would get MC involved. What would be the point? Without an objective mercs serve no useful purpose, certainly not by just by being a meatshield (no matter how well paid).
Even if it is Count's opinion that Sel lacked testicular fortitude, that does not mean it is true. All that post seems to imply is that Count hoped that MC would pew pew for isk, with no goal and no end-point. No self respecting merc outfit would sign up for that gig.
Point is Avon, there was an objective. Take the outposts. Triple A turning up changed one thing, it the made the job harder, but it us up to MC to say if the job is possible, how to plan it and how much extra to charge.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:19:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen I do enjoy public ridicule, that's why I'm reading a thread with the public ridiculing you.
Oh god, now you're just trolling.
No-one is ridiculing me here. All my points stand, pretty much uncontested and with proof. I've quoted my sources.
You'll notice several people who are NOT MC are actually saying that they like what I'm saying.
The issue here is you consider what your cousins' best friends' sisters' boyfriends' mother said as proof. Nobody can 'prove' the lack of a client in Prohibition 1 unless a) MC directors come forward with a name, or b) The client himself comes forward. Since we all know A is not going to happen, all we can hope for is B.
Everything you said about MC taking 'soft' contracts has been met with a reasonable response. It has been explained to you that this is a business, we're in it for the Isk. We don't need to prove ourselves to you. You choose to ignore every response given for every question asked, and still say the same thing over with no REAL PROOF other than this person saying that.
The ONLY thing you have brought to light, as I said, is a screenshot of a message from a private forum, which is up for debate as the message itself can be construed in a number of ways, depending on who's reading it. You're not the first person to call MC's reputation into question, nor will you be the last.
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Ice Ghost
Gallente Frontier Worlds Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:21:00 -
[571]
Edited by: Ice Ghost on 30/12/2006 20:23:30 /tin foil hat on
Myself wondering whether is a kind of plot - and some Tyrrax Thorrk's statement - soon everything is going to be revealed & changed, his ties to GHSC, GHSC prominent person apperance in this thread...
Butter Dog acts like someone who is really trying to sink ISS
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:22:00 -
[572]
Originally by: petergriffen [ The ONLY thing you have brought to light, as I said, is a screenshot of a message from a private forum, which is up for debate as the message itself can be construed in a number of ways, depending on who's reading it. You're not the first person to call MC's reputation into question, nor will you be the last.
man.. ISS is your primary employer.. in the PM he says MC are cowards and would not fight AAA for love nor money?
This is not some random person.. he is the leader of the alliance that has been hiring MC the most for the last so many years.
Its not that complicated to understand.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:22:00 -
[573]
Originally by: petergriffen You're not the first person to call MC's reputation into question, nor will you be the last.
Did you even read what one of your ex-Leaders had to say?
I believe he left before you joined for some very specific reasons, which are shockingly similar to what I am saying.
Coincidence? I think not.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:23:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Ice Ghost
Butter Dog acts like someone who is really trying to sink ISS
/tin foil hat off
Seriously, ISS would not have come into this, and that screenshot would never have been published if Count had not lied about me.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:25:00 -
[575]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Lorth Maybe this thread could be a little better if (aside from BD) we could all agree that dropping into siege in front of a hostile POS with an opponent like AAA in the system with simular numbers is generally not thought of as a good idea.
Don't go there, please don't. :)
Ohh - Ooh I was gonna say I'm in the Dianabolic school of thought on this one...
But now I know why I fly T1 :P
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:25:00 -
[576]
Edited by: maGz on 30/12/2006 20:25:35 Btw. can we have an update to the actual thread-topic - what's going on down there? ____________
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:25:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: petergriffen [ The ONLY thing you have brought to light, as I said, is a screenshot of a message from a private forum, which is up for debate as the message itself can be construed in a number of ways, depending on who's reading it. You're not the first person to call MC's reputation into question, nor will you be the last.
man.. ISS is your primary employer.. in the PM he says MC are cowards and would not fight AAA for love nor money?
This is not some random person.. he is the leader of the alliance that has been hiring MC the most for the last so many years.
Its not that complicated to understand.
I don't work for ISS, I work for MC, and right now MC isn't working for ISS.
I have acknowledged the screenshot and the contents within. I am well aware that someone's reputation may be in question. What I'm saying is, wait until Count makes a statement before jumping to conclusions. Let the man defend himself before jumping at his throat.
As far as everything else in the thread, 'proof or stfu'
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:26:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Nez Perces man.. ISS is your primary employer.. in the PM he says MC are cowards and would not fight AAA for love nor money?
Interesting claim.
We have openly done a lot of work for ISS, sit eggs, latest contract in F4R, etc.
Not that I'm 100% informed, but I think the "single very rich bored player" at least spent as much on us during 2006 than ISS did. ISS are and have been a good customer, but nowhere near our "primary employer". :) -
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:26:00 -
[579]
Macchiavelli The Prince, Chapter XII
Mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.
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IM not really offended by what count said, tbh. Macchiavelli was dead on. lol
bawk:-p
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:28:00 -
[580]
Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 20:28:43
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Macchiavelli The Prince, Chapter XII
Mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.
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IM not really offended by what count said, tbh. Macchiavelli was dead on. lol
bawk:-p
agreed
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:37:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Oh god, now you're just trolling.
No-one is ridiculing me here. All my points stand, pretty much uncontested and with proof. I've quoted my sources.
You'll notice several people who are NOT MC are actually saying that they like what I'm saying.
I would like to refute every single one of your comments. And would like to point out that I have been doing so since I came into this thread.
About the only thing we can agree on is that MC didn't want to fight AAA, a point which we agreed to on page 8 or so, and has never been in contestation.
Now where is your proof, on issues like say, the non-client in the last IAC contract. A point which pretty much everyone in this thread has been contesting, and in which you havn't brought the slightest shread of evidence for, save for 12 pages of rambling insiting your right.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:38:00 -
[582]
At this point I would like to offer an IAC perspective.
We're not interested in ButterDog, MC's performance, decisions, tactics whatsoever, that's entirely between ButterDog, ISS and MC.
For IAC, what this 20 page of joy shows blatently to the EVE Community is that Count Tasessine is a liar and two faced operator. Before this entire conflict started, I personally highlighted Count as a deceiptful, disrespectful leader who'd done nothing but sour the ISS/IAC relationship for the past 12 months.
What we see now is, that he will sell himself to his cause and also respective audience no matter what.
What LV and MC did for ISS in the last 3 weeks, is nothing short of awe-inspiring. To be thrown aside, as 'lacking guts' when the force and military organisation ISS actually commands is nothing short of 'meaningless' shows disrespect of the highest order.
If I had come to the aid of ISS (paid or not), I right now would feel cheated and hung out to dry. For ISS' members, its only a matter of time before the same fate becomes of you.
Count, you and your reign as the leader of ISS is now in the firing line of the greater EVE community. Good luck and may you get what you truly deserve.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:40:00 -
[583]
Originally by: n sx
What LV and MC did for ISS in the last 3 weeks, is nothing short of awe-inspiring. To be thrown aside, as 'lacking guts' when the force and military organisation ISS actually commands is nothing short of 'meaningless' shows disrespect of the highest order.
Thanks
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smoogie
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:44:00 -
[584]
Edited by: smoogie on 30/12/2006 20:47:19 ISS, MC, and Butter Dog:
I suspect you are all being manipulated by IAC/GHSC. Butter Dog, are you really sure the entity you were in contact with was the Count and those hateful evemails were from the MC? And if the were real MC, well then, I think Seleene just found the GHSC operative in MC.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:49:00 -
[585]
Personally im not at all angered at count. ANy quote taken out of context looks bad.
I doubt count meant offense. Look at the quote I posted above. its pure fact, tbh.
LV and FIX were not paid to be there and had every right to withdraw. they were not cowardly for doing so, as count said. they had something to risk losing to metagame logonski cap gank fleets.
and, as count said (in context) about the MC is 100% true. we arent cowards. we are buisnessmen. Sel is a mercenary captain. To know what that means, you have but to read the machiavelli quote count referenced and which I posted above
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:52:00 -
[586]
Originally by: smoogie Edited by: smoogie on 30/12/2006 20:47:19 ISS, MC, and Butter Dog:
I suspect you are all being manipulated by IAC/GHSC. Butter Dog, are you really sure the entity you were in contact with was the Count and those hateful evemails were from the MC? And if the were real MC, well then, I think Seleene just found the GHSC operative in MC.
Really, the last thing this thread needs is another boost to HG's ego.
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:56:00 -
[587]
Originally by: n sx
If I had come to the aid of ISS (paid or not), I right now would feel cheated and hung out to dry.
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
If those were the true thoughts of Count (and no I'm certainly not calling fake on the screenie, looks fine to me) then there are one or two options open I guess.
1. Never use MC again (you don't use a service in RL if you even suspect you're not going to get what you pay for) but in return if you got a crappy service for your cash you'd be getting onto the boss about a refund, not moaning to your mates down the pub about it. Lets face it, this is a game, I'm certainly not afraid to say what I want, it's not gonna mean bad men on dark nights now is it?
2. Debunk the whole thing, write butter off as a raving loon.
At the end of the day, people still have a choice whatever they think or what someone else would like them to think, some would never hire MC anyway - no loss, some that will would just look at the kinds of post that n sx just wrote (as an opposing entity it should be added) and still hire us anyway - no loss.
Fact is we're very effective at what we do, to deny that in the face of enemy praise is just plain silly, and to call foul on any previous contracts is just disrespecting our contracted enemies.
In fact the whole thread is pretty much win/win and a great community read.
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:04:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:05:00 -
[589]
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:07:00 -
[590]
lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:12:00 -
[591]
Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 30/12/2006 21:12:27 Now you TOO can own a part of the action! get your IAC/ISS conflict memorabilia today!!
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BUY BUY BUY!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Layla Currie
Followers Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:15:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
interesting. I thought seleene always mantained that for the right price they would attack bob. So much for nuetrality
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:17:00 -
[593]
Edited by: petergriffen on 30/12/2006 21:18:31
Originally by: Layla Currie
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
interesting. I thought seleene always mantained that for the right price they would attack bob. So much for nuetrality
The right price and a PLAN. No amount of money for a contract would be enough unless it ended with the ultimate destruction of BoB. Otherwise it's nothing to gain, everything to lose. No doubt the ensuing battles would be one hell of a time, though :)
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Layla Currie
Followers Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:18:00 -
[594]
Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Layla Currie
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
interesting. I thought seleene always mantained that for the right price they would attack bob. So much for nuetrality
The right price and a PLAN. No amount of money for a contract would be enough unless it ended with the ultimate destruction of BoB, otherwise it's nothing to gain, everything to lose.
umm your corpmate just said that they would "never attack bob, end of story." So seems pretty straightforward right there
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:19:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Layla Currie
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
interesting. I thought seleene always mantained that for the right price they would attack bob. So much for nuetrality
Although I hate to be drawn on this one (it's been covered many times already)
1. Since when did mercs need to be neutral about anything? Did you make that rule up? 2. If you have the isk to cover the costs of the infrastructure/relocation/time and effort and a viable plan I'm sure we'll be on-board You don't do you? 3. We're all BoB alts anyway so you'd be paying us to kill ourselves.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:19:00 -
[596]
Ask them again.
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:19:00 -
[597]
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
I thought the whole point of mercenaries was that they did what they were paid to do. And thus had no political affiliation. How can you claim to be a mercenary coalition when you're admitting that being hired to fight BOB would be not conducive to your continued existence?
This can be extended to the contract from ISS. You were paid by them, you were hired by them. If you didn't want to do what they wanted you shouldn't have taken their isk, or ratified your contract better. Professionalism at its best tbh.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:22:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
To settle the argument, I claim it's fake.
People know my word in Eve, if the screen is genuine, I'll screenshot it and host it myself with proof it came from my computer desktop.
I class my corp completely neutral in this argument, because frankly I don't care if you guys have beef with eachother.
You can send me your details Eve-Mail if you're up to it.
VETO FOR HIRE
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:24:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: INZi
Originally by: Grimster
TBH I suspect most of the MC won't really care, isk is king.
isk wasn't king when you where asked to pop BoB
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
I thought the whole point of mercenaries was that they did what they were paid to do. And thus had no political affiliation. How can you claim to be a mercenary coalition when you're admitting that being hired to fight BOB would be not conducive to your continued existence?
This can be extended to the contract from ISS. You were paid by them, you were hired by them. If you didn't want to do what they wanted you shouldn't have taken their isk, or ratified your contract better. Professionalism at its best tbh.
I'm pretty sure there's a recent thread discussing just that. We're not required to take any contract, we can pick and choose. As far as the most recent contract against IAC, Seleene already clarified in an earlier post, as did Count. No further explanation necessary, we're on a new topic now.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:25:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
To settle the argument, I claim it's fake.
People know my word in Eve, if the screen is genuine, I'll screenshot it and host it myself with proof it came from my computer desktop.
I class my corp completely neutral in this argument, because frankly I don't care if you guys have beef with eachother.
You can send me your details Eve-Mail if you're up to it.
Agreed, I will send my ISS forum details to you.
I'll convo you now in game.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:26:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Grimster
To take a dump on your own doorstep, just IMHO is never a wise thing, this has been debated over again more to lose than anyone could pay etc.
Topic ended.
Not quite...
If this screenshot stands... MC could have a serious image problem on their hands and one they can't get out of.
Allow me to explain....
The deal with BoB allowing you to put up shop in Delve has always been a little shady... are you neutral are you not?
The fact that MC has 4 outposts deployed in Delve means your feet are effectively nailed to the floor. You have so much to lose by crossing swords with BoB or with their interests in general.. read FIX or other tennants like them.
Your hooking up with FIX has added more fuel to that fire. I mean its getting all very cosy now isnt it. Two BoB tennants fighting together for no apparent reason... what do FIX get out of it?
Count T in his PM to Butter Dog states that you would not fight AAA... and it seems certainly FIX would not fight AAA. AAA is your neighbour on BoB's doorstep and between the two of them they are carving up AXE and ASCN territory.
Its all looking a bit odd... and I hate tinfoil hats, I refuse to wear them.
FIX <> MC, no fighting AAA, outpost in BoB territory... easy contracts.
It looks a bit fishy from where I'm reading.. but perhaps I'm reading too much into it.. who knows?
Either way... some dirt is gonna rub off here... MC would have to completely discredit ISS and Count T, to get away scott free.
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Wicke
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:26:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 19:59:19
Originally by: petergriffen
Butter Dog, you started this whole storm over ISS, MC and everyone else involved with the intention that you were going to be removed from ISS Navy. You even said so your self. By acknowledging that fact, and announcing your resignation from ISS before you could be removed, you didn't hold anything back in your little 'smear campaign.'
Unfortunately, I don't think you considered how much your personal reputation would suffer from this. I don't know you and couldn't care less what you say or do, but you've just lost a very big PR war. Whether or not you were 'kicked' or 'left on your own' is moot at this point, because the general consensus from most anyone who has been through this thread is that you've been kicked for being detrimental to ISS interests, and for just being a jackass in general.
Your little screenshot says whatever whoever is reading it wants it to say. Is Count disappointed that Seleene and Co. didn't want to risk their dreads, as well as ISS, FIX, and everyone elses dreads, against a far superior capital force? Even if MC only had 5 or 6 dreads on the op, how many billion ISK does it take to cover those potential losses and still profit on top of that? How much more would it cost for the other Merc outfits there? To be honest, I don't think ISS has that kind of money burning a hole in their pockets.
As was stated earlier, clients pay for our guns, not our friendship.
No no no no... this is just standard MC spin... no no no no.
There is a screenshot with Count T saying things like :
"I think Sel and Ens are being cowards"
"Sel .. well he just showed us what he is made of. No money would have made him do it"... implying that more isk was on the table should MC have agreed to it.
Nothing MC say will change what the screenshot says. Its an employer, MC's primary employer stating that MC are lacking in the testicular department. You can't spin that.
Moving on...
The issue here is threefold:
Is the screenshot real?
If the screenshot is real, can what Count T says be trusted at all, since he would have been lying in statement about Butter Dog on these forums?
If Count T is not insane... then we have to assume that he told Butter Dog in the PM is what he really thinks.. as it was done in private, and he would have nothing to gain by lying to BD.
Either way if the screenshot is not discredited.. then the MC and ISS relationship is dead in the water.
MC will have lost a main source of income, and ISS will have lost their main providers of firepower.
IAC will be laughing its ass off.. BD will be vindicated and would have "won" the thread.. and have a reputation fully restored. The big losers would be MC and ISS.
So please after 19 pages of revelations and logical arguments... no MC brainless spin.. no.
Im confused here.
When we get a contract, we set specific goals with our client. They say we want you to do 'x'. We do 'x'. Publicly, our client says we did 'x' and say we did a good job. Then the client, on an internal forum says the opposite, how is that bad for us?
All we can do is complete the goals asked of us. If we're asked to paint a wall with green paint, but the client secretly wanted it painted purple, how would we know?
I dont quite understand how the PM has any relevance to this thread. The Count publicly praised our actions. To me, this is an internal ISS problem now.
If youre a leader of an organization, you will never please everyone. For someone to win, there will be a loser. Make a decision and stick with it. If that decision is said in public, then that is your default decision. I think the Count was trying to smooth out the situation by agreeing with everyone involved in private.
Nez, are you by chance a lawyer in RL?
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:28:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Butter Dog lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
Butter dog, im ashamed of you for not knowing all the facts. count told me/mc that the contract was to take f4r2. AT the end of any contract, there is an option for extention. We chose to not accept the offer of extention. we finished our objective, and were not offered enough isk to stay. besides, as Machiavelli said (and this has made it to my Bio, and is thus noteworthy!)
Macchiavelli The Prince, Chapter XII
Mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:30:00 -
[604]
BD: This is getting rediculous. Is it you or have someone h4xored your account? I'm beginning to see Istvans face pulsating as the background on E-O.
I was nice in my last post, this will not be so nice but you have to forgive me for only taking on one of your current issues, fighting tough.
- You dont have the slightest idea on how to fight big. So much is clear at this point.
- What have you done that have made an impact on the battle scene of EVE? Because I sure as hell dont see anyone backing your fantastic fighting, leader or fc skills.
- And if you are so good and know how to beat AAA and/or like to engage them "for the fun of it" in 10-20b of hardware feel free to get your army ready and drop into AAA space. Let me know when you have wiped them out. Come on, let us see your balls. Do it.
Bottom line is; no one in this game, no person, no corp and no alliance goes after a big target without some serious planning unless the opertunity present it self for a surprise/"just for fun"-attack*. That very rarely happens. You think BoB didnt plan the ASCN attack? You think D2 rolled in ASCN without a plan? Do you think RA/GOONS and LV has not been living inside a plan for the last 6 months?
*So far the biggest two that I know of are LV and RED. - RED for cynoning in 10 dreads or something like that onto E-R(?) killing 11 and lost 2. Also made it into a really sweet video.
- LV for showing of their Titan by killing 217 ships at once.
To finish this off; what would you have said if you had gone after that POS and AAA would have done what everyone believe they would do (they did it to Axe**) and you had been standing there lagged out for 10 minutes while your entire fleet gets wasted. My bet is you hade been on this forums screaming about how lame it was.
** My applogies if I remember this totally wrong but I'm sure Axe reported being totally lagged out when AAA turned up and lost a bunch of dreads and their support fleet.
And I regret seeing some bad stuff being said about ISS/N. I dont agree, they were and are very willing to help dispite some lack of experience and they only get better.
Nez; You are having a good time arent you? I wont make a deal about it but damn man you know how to rally a mob! One thing though, you say that ISS is MC's primary employer and source of income. Thats not even close so you can drop that from now. Several clients have had MC contracted several times in a row, the public ones being ASCN and F-E. That does not make them a primary source of income or primary employer, it makes them a returning customer. If all merc corps started taking fees that would match the value of equipment and time used no one would hire anyone hence the income from other activites must cover well over 70% of all costs for mercs to stay in business at this level. And different corps does in different ways. MC divided does that (We all know Sel likes to mine in the Nyx), Conin kicks puppies, BE does loot exclusivly (props!) and KIA does...well I've seen a screenshot of Eddz in a hauler.
Now, I expect to get flamed and discredited for this, it was a while since someone took a disliking to me on the forums so unless I absolutely need to I wont touch this thread again. Unless it starts containing really hawt chicks.
Cheers, Lowa
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:30:00 -
[605]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: Butter Dog lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
Butter dog, im ashamed of you for not knowing all the facts. count told me/mc that the contract was to take f4r2. AT the end of any contract, there is an option for extention. We chose to not accept the offer of extention. we finished our objective, and were not offered enough isk to stay.
Didn't you read his pm from Count?
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:30:00 -
[606]
Last i heard MC pays in time for their outposts
6 weeks of slave arbour a year for master BoB. Does this means they can say "you dont take that contract, we hire you", since you obviously decide what contract you do or dont accept. And you arnt neutral either, since you said previously. BoB prolly has spies infiltrated in MC, which has been said previously. BoB prolly knows of MC's upcomming contracts, they can intervene at ANY time.
CONSPIRACY FTW! ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:33:00 -
[607]
Pulled from the original thread Count Tess Created at the begining of the whole IAC thing, when he attempted to justify the ISS position.
To Count Tes'
Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil
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Yes i also felt the Blade strike my back as you put the knife into every IAC fleet member that rallied to defend YOUR system, for the greater good of the community in that area.
Left hung out to Dry.
I was once ex ISS but to many political events have shifted my viewpoint on your organisation. You play a dangerous political game behind the scenes while maintaining the face of an innocent child caught stealing the 1 penny sweetie at the confectionary shop when you are rumbled. It just dosn't work on me anymore.
Can't be bothered making any more comment other than recopying what i posted originally about the Counts/ISS stand on the IAC conflict the first time.
I can respect Seleene he is a Merc soldier, who weighs up the odds of success before making decisions, he isn't on some grudge match this time hes out to make money using his combat organisation.
But Count T, he couldn't lead a fleet if it bit him in the anus.
That makes him a malipulating politician with the power of isk as his buffer, and no don't be so naive to believe that slagging of a merc corporation behind their backs is above him.
Did he expect it to go public - nah...
Dosn't change the fact that he is two faced as it gets...lies, lies, lies is his game.
How does than penny chew taste now Tess.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:35:00 -
[608]
Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 30/12/2006 21:37:29
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: Butter Dog lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
Butter dog, im ashamed of you for not knowing all the facts. count told me/mc that the contract was to take f4r2. AT the end of any contract, there is an option for extention. We chose to not accept the offer of extention. we finished our objective, and were not offered enough isk to stay.
Didn't you read his pm from Count?
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
remember kids! you can buy your war memorabilia here
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:37:00 -
[609]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
What part of 'you failed to complete the contract' are we not getting here?
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:38:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Wicke
When we get a contract, we set specific goals with our client. They say we want you to do 'x'. We do 'x'. Publicly, our client says we did 'x' and say we did a good job. Then the client, on an internal forum says the opposite, how is that bad for us?
All we can do is complete the goals asked of us. If we're asked to paint a wall with green paint, but the client secretly wanted it painted purple, how would we know?
I dont quite understand how the PM has any relevance to this thread. The Count publicly praised our actions. To me, this is an internal ISS problem now.
If youre a leader of an organization, you will never please everyone. For someone to win, there will be a loser. Make a decision and stick with it. If that decision is said in public, then that is your default decision. I think the Count was trying to smooth out the situation by agreeing with everyone involved in private.
Well, from your post one can infer that MC will be putting some distance between ISS. It will become an "internal problem". Aka Count T is crazy, he says one thing, does another, doesn't know what he wants etc... its the smart move undoubtedly.
I highlighted something in bold for you you say that Count T was possibly trying to smooth things over with everybody involved... does that include coming onto the forums and lying about having spoken to BD about this? We have been led to believe that BD is just a loose cannong... now you are suggesting he was actually somebody important enough to require Count T's personal attention to be calmed down?
By what BD claims, he is nothing short of Count T's confidante.. he gets told about the lack of an employer and then gets told about about how MC wouldnt fight AAA for any amount of ISK.
Ive been an alliance leader and I can tell you straigt up that thats some pretty big stuff to be talking about in private. Something you only talk about with people you trust. Unless Count T has lost it.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:39:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Butter Dog lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
And to back all this up you provide a screen shot which shows after AAA that Count thought we lacked the courage to attack the JBY POS with what was available, the screen shot does not prove anything more. The post you show as proof to all of this is a post of opinion from Count, everyone is entitled to opinion. No one is denying that we didn't want to engage with AAA on that night. If he was referring to MC never wanting to engage AAA in any scenario in the future then why does he use the past tense for 'No money could have made him do it.'.
If what you say is true why is Count and all of ISS leadership not backing up your statements when you post details about private conversations and messages for all to see. I am sure that true or not, many people will take your word in the future when you say 'this is just between us'.
Anyway keep going with your straw men to backup everything you have posted on here. As I said earlier people will either hire us or not and can make their own minds up.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:39:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
What part of 'you failed to complete the contract' are we not getting here?
/me looks at f4r station
/me looks at screenshot of himself, docked there, and its name changed to "ISS Kopernicus"
/me looks at original contract negotiations
/me smiles and laughs at Butters
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:39:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Butter Dog If anyone claimed the screenshot is fake, I will give a neutral party my login and password on the ISS forum so they can check my private messages.
Can't say fairer than that. Maybe Nez could do it? Thats IF someone claims its fake.
To settle the argument, I claim it's fake.
People know my word in Eve, if the screen is genuine, I'll screenshot it and host it myself with proof it came from my computer desktop.
I class my corp completely neutral in this argument, because frankly I don't care if you guys have beef with eachother.
You can send me your details Eve-Mail if you're up to it.
Agreed, I will send my ISS forum details to you.
I'll convo you now in game.
In response here's a high res .png of my desktop ---> Linkage
Client with me logged in is there, as well as date and time.
I can personally confirm that the PM is not faked.
Now my curiosity is satisfied, I'll stay out of this like I have before and watch the fireworks I think.
VETO FOR HIRE
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:41:00 -
[614]
Thanks for that, Verone.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:42:00 -
[615]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
I meant the part where you said not enough isk was offered to take the other 2 outposts, and Count's pm that said no amount of Isk would have made you do it.
Just wondering which version is true.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:43:00 -
[616]
This Thread shows only one thing: .-A-. ftw (proof: only alliance with simpsons sigs)
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shadyfox99
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:44:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Butter Dog lol @ mc
Your forum skills seem to have weakened considerably.
You failed in your contract objectives to take all three outposts, and your employer was dissapointed. Deal with it. Admit you're scared of AAA. Admit you won't take tough contracts. Admit you are risk averse.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. Everything I have personally claimed has been done so based on evidence, which I have provided. Thats how my opnion is formed. I didnt just suddenly wake up one day and think 'I hate MC'.
The problem people have is that, in truth, you are simply not as special as you claim to be, you are just very good at spinning events in your favour. You can't lose because you don't accept a contract you MIGHT lose. And even if you do fail, you just publically lie and state the objective was something other than it was.
FACT: You were contracted to take three outposts. When you failed due to your fear of AAA, you then publically claimed, as I did to support you, that F4 was the only objective. You lied. You lied publically for the sake of your image. The truth is you will do pretty much ANYTHING to protect that image of yours, to the detriment of anyone around you.
But now that I know your true colours, now I have seen your chronic lack of nads first hand, I lose all respect that I once held. The catalyst for all of this was one of your members evemailing me and telling me to 'STFU' - just remember that. This isnt some pointless campaign, I'm not one of your victims - I saw what you were like, I flew under your command, I looked at the evidence to hand, and I made the only logical conclusion I could.
No amount of forum spin, PR, or repetitive postings from you which dodge the issues is going to change that.
Tbh, i was never aware that our objective was to take all three outposts. Where was that said? (Note: i am NOT saying your wrong, just that I didn't know this)
Why is it that everytime WE say something its "spin" but everything you say should be taken at 100% truth?
The fact that you are getting so...whatever because ONE person eve-mailed you? and i understand that he was an old corpmate of yours? How is that MC telling you what to do? you said before that you don't/didn't speak for ISS, how does one person (besides Sel or a CEO) speak for MC?
All of your points have been explained. AAA was explained, many times, by people who are far more in the know and experienced than i am. The taking tough contracts was explained. Our side of things has been explained, why don't you see that BD?
Personally i've never seen or said that MC are uber and awesome. People seem to forget that we are NOT a 1,000 man alliance, hell we don't even have 500 people. And unfortuneately the nature of our buisness is private, hell most of the time the MEMBERS have no idea why or when or who or what is going on. We trust our leaders, so the finer details don't matter to us.
Anyway BD, your campaign here doesn't really make sense to me, but i have nothing against you, (or ISS or IAC or SOD) and i wish you good luck on whatever it is you are trying to accomplish.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:47:00 -
[618]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
I meant the part where you said not enough isk was offered to take the other 2 outposts, and Count's pm that said no amount of Isk would have made you do it.
Just wondering which version is true.
OH! honest mistake on yer part mate. You have to take it into context. no amount of isk would make us engage that evening. AAA had a 100 man fleet they brought in and then logofski'd. No point risking the mc cap fleet against a logon trap and as many as 50 anti-cap ship dreads.
note his use of past tense. everything must be taken in context, and its impossible unless your in the unique position of knowing wtf is going on, with everyone, at that time,ect.
bawk btw chris, long time no see. <3 er
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:47:00 -
[619]
Originally by: shadyfox99
Tbh, i was never aware that our objective was to take all three outposts. Where was that said? (Note: i am NOT saying your wrong, just that I didn't know this)
Why is it that everytime WE say something its "spin" but everything you say should be taken at 100% truth?
Firstly, your own leadership has admitted that was the original objective.
Secondly, what reason do I have to lie? There isn't one. I'm not a victim of yours, I've lost nothing to you, I like some of your members, I like ISS etc. You on the other hand, are willing to say just about ANYTHING, including downright lies, to protect that precious image of yours.
If I were a neutral observer, I know who I would believe.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:48:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
I meant the part where you said not enough isk was offered to take the other 2 outposts, and Count's pm that said no amount of Isk would have made you do it.
Just wondering which version is true.
Chris, by reading the thread and the pm I'd say "no money would have made MC attack AAA on that night." Nothing about the plan for taking more stations. Two different discussions I recon.
Cheers, Lowa
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:50:00 -
[621]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 30/12/2006 21:48:53
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
I meant the part where you said not enough isk was offered to take the other 2 outposts, and Count's pm that said no amount of Isk would have made you do it.
Just wondering which version is true.
OH! honest mistake on yer part mate. You have to take it into context. no amount of isk would make us engage that evening. AAA had a 100 man fleet they brought in and then logofski'd. No point risking the mc cap fleet against a logon trap and as many as 50 anti-cap ship dreads. When it came to the negotiations for continuing the contract, not enough isk was offered to warrant risking the loss of many billions in cap ships trying to take the remaining stations with just MC + ISS (lv and fix, not being paid at all for their show of friendship, and no requireing any payment, had already withdrawn.)
note his use of past tense. everything must be taken in context, and its impossible unless your in the unique position of knowing wtf is going on, with everyone, at that time,ect.
bawk btw chris, long time no see. <3 er
Ok I believe you cos your cool.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:50:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Lowa
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
aye, i read it. he said sel was a mercenary captain, ala machiavelli. take count T's message to Butters in context, and tbh its not all untrue. Sel is a mercenary captain, by machiavelli's description. so what?:-p
I meant the part where you said not enough isk was offered to take the other 2 outposts, and Count's pm that said no amount of Isk would have made you do it.
Just wondering which version is true.
Chris, by reading the thread and the pm I'd say "no money would have made MC attack AAA on that night." Nothing about the plan for taking more stations. Two different discussions I recon.
Cheers, Lowa
damn you lowa. thats exactly what i was trying to say, in fewer words. hehe
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:50:00 -
[623]
Originally by: Lowa
Chris, by reading the thread and the pm I'd say "no money would have made MC attack AAA on that night." Nothing about the plan for taking more stations. Two different discussions I recon.
Cheers, Lowa
You would not attack AAA, full stop.
The fear in your hearts was evident the moment they entered local. "Calm down, they might just be on a roadtrip" Seleene said. But alas, wasnt the case, was it.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:52:00 -
[624]
K the screenshot is real.. and henceforth Count T said those things to Butter Dog.
What does this mean?
Well for starters it means Count T has no problem whatsoever coming onto the EVE-online forums and telling porkies, even though he knows (or has lost his mind) that the person he was trying to bury had a PM with his name on it.
We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition. Ofc the problem is that the source was Count T, a known liar.... so was he lying to BD when he told him about Seleene spilling the beans? I guess we will never know. Though it does cast a large shadow on the whole issue.
AAA and MC not wanting to fight them: Either MC lack testicular fortitude or Count T is so far gone that he has become unrealistic in his assessment of military situations.
Difficult to say which. Either way MC and ISS took a hit today. There is no escaping that.
Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:53:00 -
[625]
Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 30/12/2006 21:53:19 Ok. so your saying we should have sacrificed our cap fleet in a leeroy style battle against a numerically superior, prepared enemy capital fleet, in the name of bravery? I again encourage you to read the Machiavellian description of a mercenary captain, butters.
Cowardise we did not demonstrate. intelligence we did. I would find a sun tzu quote on the matter, but i cant be arsed tbh
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:54:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:56:00 -
[627]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: shadyfox99
Tbh, i was never aware that our objective was to take all three outposts. Where was that said? (Note: i am NOT saying your wrong, just that I didn't know this)
Why is it that everytime WE say something its "spin" but everything you say should be taken at 100% truth?
Firstly, your own leadership has admitted that was the original objective.
Secondly, what reason do I have to lie? There isn't one. I'm not a victim of yours, I've lost nothing to you, I like some of your members, I like ISS etc. You on the other hand, are willing to say just about ANYTHING, including downright lies, to protect that precious image of yours.
If I were a neutral observer, I know who I would believe.
You have every reason to lie. You act like you have no animosity towards anyone. Most suprisingly is how you can come out and say that you like the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, when this whole thread was one big stab-and-twist in the back of the alliance as a whole? You called out the alliance chairman in a public forum, what did you expect was to happen?
Not crediting myself, but you're a relative unknown in the Eve universe, along with the majority of the rest of us. The people you're up against hold a HELL of a lot more weight than you do. Knowing that once you made your first accusations your back would be up against a wall, you would have to know that you needed to cover yourself.
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shadyfox99
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:57:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: shadyfox99
Tbh, i was never aware that our objective was to take all three outposts. Where was that said? (Note: i am NOT saying your wrong, just that I didn't know this)
Why is it that everytime WE say something its "spin" but everything you say should be taken at 100% truth?
Firstly, your own leadership has admitted that was the original objective.
Secondly, what reason do I have to lie? There isn't one. I'm not a victim of yours, I've lost nothing to you, I like some of your members, I like ISS etc. You on the other hand, are willing to say just about ANYTHING, including downright lies, to protect that precious image of yours.
If I were a neutral observer, I know who I would believe.
First, what did i say that was a lie? and thank you for ignoring the rest of my post.
And i have yet to see or hear where my "own leadership" said that taking all 3 outposts was our objective.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:58:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:03:00 -
[630]
Originally by: petergriffen You called out the alliance chairman in a public forum, what did you expect was to happen?
Maybe he will think twice before lying on a public discussion forum in the future?
I am done with this thread, I'm glad people know I was telling the truth at least, I have my honest perspective.
Time to move on to pastures new. Can anyone offer a good home to a tired forum warrior?
BD out x
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Of this imaginary six weeks of contract I can count on an amputated hand how many we've used.
So it's true Dian.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago.
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:08:00 -
[633]
Originally by: Lorth
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
Well the assumption is that it was Count T that told him about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.. (Butter Dog already hinted at it earlier) and that's where the buck stops.. I mean the guy has no problem telling porkies.
Did he lie to Butter Dog too? .. I guess we will never know.. only Seleene and a few select MC know the answer to that question.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:08:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen You called out the alliance chairman in a public forum, what did you expect was to happen?
Maybe he will think twice before lying on a public discussion forum in the future?
I am done with this thread, I'm glad people know I was telling the truth at least, I have my honest perspective.
Time to move on to pastures new. Can anyone offer a good home to a tired forum warrior?
BD out x
Oh no you don't. You've been made several allegations against the MC here in the this thread, and only one of which has been proven to be true, IE not attacking AAA, which of course we all agreed on in the first place.
Now start backpeddling damn it because we're going to discuss the no client issue, the easy contract issue, and pretty much any other illconcieved thought you've had over the last dozen pages since there isn't a shred of evidence in your favour.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:09:00 -
[635]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 22:09:35
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago.
Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter.
There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :)
I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it.
lol @ you
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:09:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lowa
Chris, by reading the thread and the pm I'd say "no money would have made MC attack AAA on that night." Nothing about the plan for taking more stations. Two different discussions I recon.
Cheers, Lowa
You would not attack AAA, full stop.
You are absolutely right NSN would never attack AAA, we are much to small to go head to head. Oh, that and the obvious thing that NSN is not part of MC at this time. And didnt MC attack/fight AAA during the defence of the FiX egg?
Btw, when will you be taking on AAA?
Cheers, Lowa
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:10:00 -
[637]
Edited by: maGz on 30/12/2006 22:11:09
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago.
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
And your defence is that only a few directors know about the clients. Why should the public trust your directors anymore than BD (I know I'll get flamed for this)?
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:10:00 -
[638]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken bawk!:) <3
edit: Oh, ifni, MC were paid by individuals within ISS. ISS does not use IPO money for anything but the things prescribed in the IPO. No IPO money has ever gone to hiring mercs
And you believe that?
Still I'd like clarification on the costs and dividends, as I imagine, alot of people would, seeing as how this is a very public forum war, and reflects onto the profits ISS will take and any future employment oppurtunities for the MC.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:11:00 -
[639]
It's sad to see that Count doesn't tell the same thing to everyone on these kind of matters. It's a management style that while effective in the short term, can hurt someone in the long run.
Consequences for ISS? I do not know. Consequences for Count? Not sure. This is quite a blow to integrity.
Consequences for MC? Surely there will be some in the relationship between Count and Seleene, calling someone a coward probably won't go down well. In the big picture it could lead to a whole heap on things, but I'm not sure if it will effect the MC in a bad way.
I am not sanctioned to release contract details, but I know that MC did not breach their side of the contract with our employer for this deployment. Any details are to be disclosed by someone that's got more to say in this military organization than I have. :)
As to our influence in this conflict, I think some dreads might have died in the sieges if it wasn't for the extensive capital ship experience of the MC. Ofcourse that's all academical. :)
Not sure how you want to make this some sort of PR nightmare for MC, Nez. Sure, one of our clients got discredited a bit, but that doesn't suddenly make the MC cowardly pilots who only take easy contracts. :)
I'm really anxious to see Count speak again. :) -
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:13:00 -
[640]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Lorth
Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
Well the assumption is that it was Count T that told him about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.. (Butter Dog already hinted at it earlier) and that's where the buck stops.. I mean the guy has no problem telling porkies.
Did he lie to Butter Dog too? .. I guess we will never know.. only Seleene and a few select MC know the answer to that question.
So we're going to give him a washout on all the BS thats been spewed forth, because he managed to prove one thing, the one thing we all agreed was true?
Someone can't make 6 differant point, prove one to be true then somehow deduce that the other 5 must be true. He made a lot of BS claims in this thread, some of which have already been shown as such, some of which he's somehow manged to avoid because of a PM dealing with the only issue we actually agreed on. Lets see him try and prove we didn't have a client, something I'd like to see, since both sides no he's only spewing rubbish t further his own accord.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:13:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Butter Dog
There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :)
Well not quite.. you won the thread, yes.. you provided verifiable proof that Count T spoke to you about sensitive issues such as his displeasure with MC's performance against AAA... which could have included the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.
Who lost the thread?
Well ISS lost, MC lost some.. but mainly you won the thread.. if you wanted to identify one main loser it would have to be:
Count T, he is the only one that actually lied outright and the only one whose lie has been proven... the rest is conjecture... but still this thread did MC no favours.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:14:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Dianabolic
BoB are never informed of any pending or hypothetical MC contracts. Ever.
How can we know this is true? BoB OBVIOUSLY knows everything in eve.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Of this imaginary six weeks of contract I can count on an amputated hand how many we've used.
Well, you are NOT gonna tell the general eve public MC lives there for free. N.O.T. We all have seen that *****'s post about your constellation hiring. So either MC is paying you 5 (?) bill a month, or they do something else to keep you happy. Furthermore, "The BB" did look alot like a BoB plot seeing how badly you guys hate capital shipyards.
Originally by: Dianabolic
BoB has no spies in its' alt alliance.
I can only hope you guys are all schizophrenic then
Originally by: Dianabolic
Thanks for your time.
I should thank you for your time, since you answered my joke post However, you cant possibly deny there is some truth in it. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:18:00 -
[643]
He's right, listen to what he says. You know how we're BoB's alts? the ISS directors are all OUR alts. Wrap your brain around THAT!
I'm working on it! |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:18:00 -
[644]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :)
Well not quite.. you won the thread, yes.. you provided verifiable proof that Count T spoke to you about sensitive issues such as his displeasure with MC's performance against AAA... which could have included the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.
Who lost the thread?
Well ISS lost, MC lost some.. but mainly you won the thread.. if you wanted to identify one main loser it would have to be:
Count T, he is the only one that actually lied outright and the only one whose lie has been proven... the rest is conjecture... but still this thread did MC no favours.
Agreed. :) -
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:19:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Nez Perces
We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition.
Sorry where does this come from?
I'm yet to see any evidence. You are basing that comment entirely on the assumption that it was Count T who was the client for that contract and that if it was him that his word cannot be trusted?
Please correct me if these assumptions built upon assumptions is wrong
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Ryunoko
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:33:00 -
[646]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 22:09:35
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
I'll admit that I underestimated you..
Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings.
Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago.
Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter.
There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :)
I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it.
lol @ you
I don't like forum discussions and all that stuff and this will hopefully be the only post i make..
But claiming you won this thread is funny.. let all discussions aside.. you may win as many as you want.
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:37:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again.
Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this?
If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right?
Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) -
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:37:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Emsigma
Originally by: Lowa
No. Stop. In that pm they are dicussing last nights events. Not a future planed event.
Thats how I read it. You read it in an other way. Who is right? Me of course! All jokes aside, even butters said in his mind he was right. And in my mind I'm right. That makes both of us wrong tbfh. Erm..wait. wtf!?
You PROMISED not to come back to the thread unless the "MC won't fight BoB under my conditions. lolz" or hawt chicks. There has been none!
Now you owe me beer and mongolian BBQ when I come home to sweden!
Oh crap I just ruined my self. Can you at least dress up and put on some make up for the bbq?
/Lowa
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:38:00 -
[649]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth Edited by: Lorth on 30/12/2006 22:23:43
Originally by: Butter Dog
Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter.
There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :)
I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it.
lol @ you
Yes you have though.
You said at one time you stayed in empire the whole time. You lied about that.
You lied about the contract details. Or you randomly changed your story from page 2.
You lied about the MC POS in F4, or simply didn't know.
Your lying about MC's invlovment in the war, or are to silly to know other wise.
Your either lying, or simply without a clue in regards to the MC vs AAA thing.
You stated two differant versions of what MC were hired to do. Care to clearify which post you were lying in?
You claim to know that MC didn't have a client against IAC the first time, yet have offered not a shread of evidence for it.
You lied, or are grossly missinformed about capital ship numbers durng the POS seiges.
Care to continue with more of the stuff you lied about, or were so grossly out of the loop that you didn't have a clue about and simply made up your own story to go with your forum spammage?
for the love of God, give it up
You lost the thread.
I won it.
Goodbye.
Answer the claims then.
I'll also add that you were lying about the reason you left ISS. Since you claim it was because of the MC, yet we were no longer working for them, there must have been anouther reason, so what was it?
My sexeh bodeh! ____________
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:38:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Lowa
Oh crap I just ruined my self. Can you at least dress up and put on some make up for the bbq?
That allready comes free of charge! ---
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:40:00 -
[651]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again.
Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this?
If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right?
Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :)
Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC?
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:43:00 -
[652]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter.
I think people should read this, think about it, read it again and then think what this mean before posting again.
BD has posted regarding what he knows based on things that he has been told, things that he has read or things that he has experienced. All based on his perceptions of the information at that time.
I mean.. seriously.. no matter how right or wrong he is, he is entitled to have an opinion and a perception about how things happens even if that would include that babies homes from santa clause. ---
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:44:00 -
[653]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Comeon... all that stuff is irrelevant and is small fry.. the smoking gun has already been provided.
The screenshot is genuine.
Count T thought MC's performance was lacking, also Count T seems to be the source for the lack of employer.
You are several scenes behind the plot.
Butter Dog talks a lot, but he was not lying about the crucial thing here.. that screenshot.
Trying to bury it with small details that are not relevant doesn't work.
The stuff he said is not small fry when your a member of the MC.
He publically posted the we had no employer for our contract. Yet has done nothing in the slightest to offer any amount of evidence to prove this.
He stated that we always took the easy contract, yet ignored my rubutle, and kept on posting it again and again.
Later in the thread he continued it insist that we didn't fullfill the contract obligations, despite him self offering two versions of the contract. Not to mention everyone else, who would know, saying that we did.
He's stated that we had little to no influance in the battle for F4. Yet even IAC say a differant story, as well as everyone else involved in this conflict save for him.
None of that stuff is small fry in the least. And he's been lying and telling two differant stories througout this whole thread. And I for one think its fun to back him into a corner and confront him with the slandreous accusastions that he's made against us, non of which he has bother to back up in the slightest other the repeating them for the last dozen pages.
And about the only thing he's been right about, frankly has little to do with our own reputation, and I for one am not willing to give him a walk on all the falsehoods posted based on something that frankly has little bearing on my own alliences reputation.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:45:00 -
[654]
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again.
Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this?
If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right?
Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :)
Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC?
Different flavours really.
GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots.
Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :) -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:47:00 -
[655]
One last post before I watch the hockey game for a couple hours...
Could the puppet master please simply eve mail me. I'm dying to know who's pulling the strings here.
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Clipparius
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:48:00 -
[656]
I have already announced my intention to leave ISSN within 24 hours, so this is what I make of it (purely a grunt's opinion)
The PM between BD and the Count has been proved to be correct. this is not disputed.
When I heard MC were leaving, I also though "cowards". The war was going well, and IAC were frankly up that certain creek without a paddle. Since then, I have had time to think. If I was Seleene, would I have jumped a cap fleet into god knows what? No I bloody wouldn't.
My only thinking behind the Count's PM to BD is this....Count was getting carried away with the victories we were scoring (no-one can deny that we were winning, and hard), and to stop left a nasty taste in the mouth.
I bet when the Count though about it logically though, he would have seen that MC were right.
So, I am guessing (again, I am only a grunt in the war, I don't have access to a lot of the forums) that the Count's first response was emotional, then rational.
I felt bitterly let down by MC when it was first announced they were leaving - do i feel like that now? NO.
I have fought under MC FC's before, would I again - HELL YES.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:50:00 -
[657]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 22:52:56
Originally by: Lorth
The stuff he said is not small fry when your a member of the MC.
He publically posted the we had no employer for our contract. Yet has done nothing in the slightest to offer any amount of evidence to prove this.
He stated that we always took the easy contract, yet ignored my rubutle, and kept on posting it again and again.
Later in the thread he continued it insist that we didn't fullfill the contract obligations, despite him self offering two versions of the contract. Not to mention everyone else, who would know, saying that we did.
He's stated that we had little to no influance in the battle for F4. Yet even IAC say a differant story, as well as everyone else involved in this conflict save for him.
None of that stuff is small fry in the least. And he's been lying and telling two differant stories througout this whole thread. And I for one think its fun to back him into a corner and confront him with the slandreous accusastions that he's made against us, non of which he has bother to back up in the slightest other the repeating them for the last dozen pages.
And about the only thing he's been right about, frankly has little to do with our own reputation, and I for one am not willing to give him a walk on all the falsehoods posted based on something that frankly has little bearing on my own alliences reputation.
Yeah but if you wanna argue every little thing he said... you will be here well into next year.
To get any value out of this thread you have to distill the important points and those are 2 main claims that BD made.
1. Lack of employer for Operation Prohibition. >>>>> Count T is the source.
2. Not engaging AAA no matter what ISK was provided, wether on that night or in the future. >>>>>>> Count T is the source.
Thats the important things.. everything else is details that mean a lot to you but in the context of the thread are not the main issues..... you have to be selective.. or else you will be guilty of burying the issue with lots and lots of words.
Count T is the source.
What happens next?...... I don't know.. maybe Count T will go quiet for several weeks, hoping everybody will forget this whole episode. Or perhaps he will make a statement and start a new show.. where MC do their utmost to brand him as a deranged lunatic?
Who knows... but this show is over.
Right now they are rolling the credits......
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Grimkill
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:54:00 -
[658]
Time to lock this thread i think
CASE CLOSED
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:55:00 -
[659]
Quote: Count T is the source.
What happens next?...... I don't know.. maybe Count T will go quiet for several weeks, hoping everybody will forget this whole episode. Or perhaps he will make a statement and start a new show.. where MC do their utmost to brand him as a deranged lunatic?
To be honest it was a private conversation between ButterDog and Count T
It should have stayed that way and I would bet that Count T was just venting steam after another day at a full time job called Eve.
Hell if my misses knew what I said behind her back my nads would be pickled and fed to me over a period of months ...... we all say things "we really don't mean" (apart from wanting to do the finger a bum thing to her) but are just venting steam and frustrations ..
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Wicke
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:56:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Nez Perces
K the screenshot is real.. and henceforth Count T said those things to Butter Dog.
What does this mean?
We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition. Ofc the problem is that the source was Count T, a known liar.... so was he lying to BD when he told him about Seleene spilling the beans? I guess we will never know. Though it does cast a large shadow on the whole issue.
AAA and MC not wanting to fight them: Either MC lack testicular fortitude or Count T is so far gone that he has become unrealistic in his assessment of military situations.
Difficult to say which. Either way MC and ISS took a hit today. There is no escaping that.
Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts
This is what you just said:
Wicke> The sun will come up tomorrow. Wicke> Mickey mouse killed JFK.
Nez> The sun came up today... Wicke is right! Nez> Someone quick... arrest Mickey Mouse!! He murdered JFK!
So in fact:
Originally by: Nez Perces
Wicke, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts
See how easy it is to be Nez?
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Eleese
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:57:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again.
Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this?
If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right?
Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :)
Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC?
Different flavours really.
GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots.
Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :)
Think he meant the fact GH-SC is (or rumoured to be) pretty much IAC or have joined or play alts within :) Not that we or they are better/worse/different :)
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:58:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Nez Perces
Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts
\o/
Told you I wasnt lying :p
You make for the best drama.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:59:00 -
[663]
Hello again!
just a quick announcement
my lonely hearts post is up
bye!
PS... and no, seleene, you can't have me
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:59:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again.
Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this?
If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right?
Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :)
Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC?
Different flavours really.
GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots.
Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :)
Think he meant the fact GH-SC is (or rumoured to be) pretty much IAC or have joined or play alts within :) Not that we or they are better/worse/different :)
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:02:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Goodtime Girl
Hell if my misses knew what I said behind her back my nads would be pickled and fed to me over a period of months ...... we all say things "we really don't mean" (apart from wanting to do the finger a bum thing to her) but are just venting steam and frustrations ..
K.. but this is EVE and Count T leads an alliance, every word he utters carries significance.... and he should know that what he says can end up used against him publicly.
Thats the way it works, its ugly, its not very nice but thats how things work.
Besides.. this get out clause.. of "Oh I was angry and frustrated"... etc.. doesnt work anymore.. because Count T closed that door by posting that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for over 6 months and did not approve of his forum antics. Something which does not tally up with the tone of the PM and the date on which it was sent.
The guy tried to bury BD publicly with lies..... thats bad.. no matter which way you look at it.
And you simply cannot afford to do that stuff in Count T's position.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:07:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Clipparius I have already announced my intention to leave ISSN within 24 hours, so this is what I make of it (purely a grunt's opinion)
The PM between BD and the Count has been proved to be correct. ... the Count's first response was emotional, then rational.
I felt bitterly let down by MC when it was first announced they were leaving - do i feel like that now? NO.
I have fought under MC FC's before, would I again - HELL YES.
Sorry to see you moving on again Clip, particularly at this time. Had I still been in ISSN I expect I would have reacted exactly the same way. And you don't want to see ME Venting when things aren't going my way ... oh .. hang on, you have!
Btw .. I dispute Butter Dog's claim to have won this thread. I won it.
Myn
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:09:00 -
[667]
Originally by: Wicke
Wicke> Mickey mouse killed JFK.
Nez> Someone quick... arrest Mickey Mouse!! He murdered JFK!
See how easy it is to be Nez?
Yes its hard work... all this typing.
Mickey Mouse was the third shooter on the grassy knoll, everybody knows that.. whats your point?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:13:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Ryunoko
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:22:00 -
[669]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ryunoko
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
What you say you are and what you appear to be are two very different things.
Online communities are very solipsistic worlds. Perception is everything.
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Kuang
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:34:00 -
[670]
Originally by: petergriffen
You haven't POSTED anything with ANY merit except for a screenshot of a message that Count sent to you in a private forum. If you think you're posting to 'expose MC for being corrupt' or whatever, you lost that war on Page 1.
Actually think he has done pretty good in his initial arguments .
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:34:00 -
[671]
heh, nicely done ITG, wonder if you'll get a PC gamer article for this one
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Clipparius
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:35:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Sorry to see you moving on again Clip, particularly at this time.
Myn
Myn, the reason I am leaving has nothing to do with the IAC war. If it wasn't for IAC, I would have left 3 weeks ago. I have only stayed so I could help IAC into the black on their killboard :)
My reasons for leaving ISSN really are personal - I will chat to you in game if you really want to know the reasons I am leaving, but IAC or ButterDog are not them :)
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:36:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Butter Dog Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
Butter Dog, as I tried to tell you before this blew up, Privately, then Publicly, your forum posts do more damage than any one director can do with the wallet. You then proceded to take it to an extreme that I hadn't imagined you were capable of.
Myn
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Ice Ghost
Gallente Frontier Worlds Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:37:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ryunoko
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance who DID trust you...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:44:00 -
[675]
I feel as though my questions will go unanswered, and he'll simply leave this thread without replying to the accusations against MC he made...
I feel so dejected.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:45:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Ice Ghost Edited by: Ice Ghost on 30/12/2006 23:39:22
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ryunoko
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance and people who DID trust you...
No, I did that when the leader of the alliance who I once respected greatly, came on here and told outright LIES about me.
This isnt hard to understand, now stop being bitter and reducing this to a dicussion about me just because MC look like cowards.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:48:00 -
[677]
well, seems like this thread has served its perpose. elchief, maybe its time to request the lock? (unless someone has anything usefull to say)
And as about "destroying an alliance that once trusted you", tah .. you reap what you sow.
It would be the first time an alliance gets destroyed because of a forum post though If you are gonna kick count, at least pick someone who can make a charter next time!
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Clipparius
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:49:00 -
[678]
To be honest, wouldn't it be great if this was a GHSC plot, rather than a bog standard IAC expansion?
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:55:00 -
[679]
Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread...
In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM.
In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy.
What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted.
All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence.
Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth.
Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it.
Good luck with finding another Corp.
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:01:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread...
In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM.
In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy.
What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted.
All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence.
Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth.
Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it.
Good luck with finding another Corp.
I agree with you 100%, I'd say YOU won the thread!
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:01:00 -
[681]
I have so many truth cards in my pocket.
But yet, they wish to remain in my pocket.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:06:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread...
In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM.
In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy.
What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted.
All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence.
Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth.
Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it.
Good luck with finding another Corp.
Well congratulations on failing to read the thread past your original post 20 pages ago, I guess.
I would not have revealed that PM had Count not come on here and told lies about me (there was no reason to do that at the time, I hadn't brought him into it).
By electing to do so, he forced my hand. It was that or lose all credibility and have people assume I was telling porkies. That wasnt going to happen, when it came down to choosing between me and him, I chose myself - and I dont think I was wrong to do that.
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
Oh and Crozon is an ISSN alt.
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Dari Vire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:09:00 -
[683]
1) wtf are porkies.
2) how is counts pm at all a lie? so he was disappointed about one particular aspect.
3) how is that sensitive information?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:10:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:11:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ice Ghost Edited by: Ice Ghost on 30/12/2006 23:39:22
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Ryunoko
But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread".
Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me.
I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done.
I'm not that kind of person.
just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance and people who DID trust you...
No, I did that when the leader of the alliance who I once respected greatly, came on here and told outright LIES about me.
This isnt hard to understand, now stop being bitter and reducing this to a dicussion about me just because MC look like cowards.
Blunder Dog...
One thing you seem to be totally incapable of understanding is that we (being MC) are not 'scared'. This is a game. We are not all shivering in front of our computers, afraid that we might lose some zeroes and ones. For some reason you seem to project your personal feelings about combat and contracts on top of what actions we decide to take.
We are mercenaries. We do not play for honor, or for a challenge, or on behalf of morals, ethics, or whims. Get over your own personal perception of how we make decisions and step back and engage your logic and reason. We are not 'afraid' of AAA. It was a business decision based on an offer. Do you even realize , in a worst case scenario, how long it would take to even build the replcement capital fleet assuming the fight went to Hell in a handbasket? It would take a MASSIVE sum of money to not only cover the actual replacement of cap ships... but the contracts that we'd be missing out on while the weeks and months passed in order to replace said ships.
This is not fear, this is business. Until you can disengage your mouth and stop and think you are going to continue to regurgitate the same crap over and over again. I have no idea how in the world someone could affiliate 'fear' or 'cowardice' with a game.
But... up to this point... I never thought I'd see someone publicly execute their own reputation. So... color me surprised.
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Buzee
Flight Of Fantasy
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:12:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Omeega I have so many truth cards in my pocket.
But yet, they wish to remain in my pocket.
Pretty please, tell us how you went on MC ts and made Sel buy your tinfoil hat..pleeeaaaseee
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:13:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Dari Vire 1) wtf are porkies.
2) how is counts pm at all a lie? so he was disappointed about one particular aspect.
3) how is that sensitive information?
Porkies are lies.
Count did not lie in his PM, he expressed his opinion.
He lied when he posted in this thread about me (read back), trying to discredit me and saying he kicked me from ISSN (lie), and that I he had not revealed any sensitive information to me (lie).
Bascially, at a point where I had not involved him, nor intended to involve him in the thread, he tried to stamp me out of it.
I responded the way I had to. It was sink or swim.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:14:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread...
In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM.
In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy.
What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted.
All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence.
Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth.
Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it.
Good luck with finding another Corp.
Well congratulations on failing to read the thread past your original post 20 pages ago, I guess.
I would not have revealed that PM had Count not come on here and told lies about me (there was no reason to do that at the time, I hadn't brought him into it).
By electing to do so, he forced my hand. It was that or lose all credibility and have people assume I was telling porkies. That wasnt going to happen, when it came down to choosing between me and him, I chose myself - and I dont think I was wrong to do that.
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
Oh and Crozon is an ISSN alt.
You had no credibility to begin with, you're nothing but a traitor to your former alliance. I'm glad you got kicked out.
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Grimkill
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:14:00 -
[689]
I have a Question, are you allowed to post chat logs??? I have a great one, talk about BIG!!!!!
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:15:00 -
[690]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
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Ryuto Rey
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:15:00 -
[691]
Oh noes!! more juicy intel!
2006.12.30 23:36 The Mittani > have them contact me The Mittani > if they want to know Peoke > k The Mittani > I'll chat with count Peoke > cause im white Peoke > enjoy guys Peoke > im out Peoke > not my fight Count TaSessine > hello there The Mittani > Greetings, good sir! The Mittani > I am the Mittani, and you probably have never heard of me. Count TaSessine > very true :-) Count TaSessine > I am chairman of ISS The Mittani > I am the 2nd in command of the swarm, and I kind of had RA get AAA to intervene on IAC's behalf The Mittani > complicated stuff The Mittani > Hrm, battle vs razor, might be delayed a moment Count TaSessine > ok, so you're the person to talk to in this case, very good Count TaSessine > np, take your time Count TaSessine > let me know when you can talk The Mittani > woop Count TaSessine > ok Count TaSessine > I'm sure you're familiar with the events that created all the hostilities between IAC and ISS The Mittani > Back. I run the goon spy program, and keep a low ish profile The Mittani > IAC was drunk and stupid The Mittani > you hired mercs Count TaSessine > ISS never attacked anyone in Eve, but IAC basically told us they might, or might not, try to seize our outopsts. So, we went proactive to make a point The Mittani > Your point may well lose everything in catch Count TaSessine > so, what are your thoughts on this? The Mittani > Yeah. Well, here's the **** The Mittani > Evil Thug was unexpected The Mittani > they are large and angry The Mittani > and AXE has fled to empire The Mittani > I think the whole conflict is stupid The Mittani > your choice was wise, mind you, trying to take IAC The Mittani > but all those mercs went to your head, and you didn't realize why LV was there in such force, and now why they have vanished The Mittani > anyhoo. I think IAC would be happy if you just backed off and gave back F4R. Apparently they had some leadership issues right at the time of the wardec Count TaSessine > yes, in ISS we're trying out some new avenues of gameplay, roleplaying a megacorp etc, we're not into the whole alliance territorial warfare thing, but we like pvp as much as the next guy ofc and IAC fits our size The Mittani > The whole thing was horrible. Who in their right mind gives warning of an invasion? ugh Count TaSessine > well, the leadership issue is still there, Tyrrax was promoted as you know The Mittani > Anyways, IAC and AAA will want to take F4R back no matter what. The Mittani > The easiest way for them to do this is to take KDF The Mittani > blobbed properly there will be no way to save a 3 moon system The Mittani > and as 'Marginis' is your first outpost it has significant morale value Count TaSessine > yea The Mittani > That will be how it goes. Rather than fight the fair way and pos-war in F4R, they will hit you in KDF and ZXIC rather than F4R, which is just an office and thus of little strategic value The Mittani > KDF is more of a morale thing vs you, ZXIC has actual worth The Mittani > both are bad for you in the sense of your upcoming newspaper articles, neh? Count TaSessine > haha The Mittani > "After the time of writing these articles, unfortunately ISS lost all their outposts and went bankrupt" Count TaSessine > losing the outposts wouldn't bankrupt us The Mittani > True! It will only embarass the hell out of you and shatter the morale of your rather weak-kneed pvp corps. Count TaSessine > who knows Count TaSessine > perhaps yu're right The Mittani > Anyhoo, the question is what you want to do Count TaSessine > tell me what you think we should do The Mittani > Given the WSJ article? The Mittani > I'd offer IAC F4R, tell them if they ever ever do this again you'll get this many dreads after them, chestbeat a little and then spew some more of your nauseatingly hypocritical neutrality claptrap over eveo.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:15:00 -
[692]
Originally by: petergriffen
You had no credibility to begin with, you're nothing but a traitor to your former alliance. I'm glad you got kicked out.
EXCEPT, I didnt get kicked, I left of my own accord, and a senior ISSN official has already confirmed that.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:15:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
That's because you got podded too fast to get back out again :p
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Ryuto Rey
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:16:00 -
[694]
Count TaSessine > and what will you do then? The Mittani > Honestly, my interests in this are minimal at the moment, save proving to my allies that we come through for them despite it all The Mittani > I want this thing to shut up and go away. If you make nice-nice and shut up and go away, I'm happy The Mittani > if I have to send 300 bored goons down to camp all your stations, they'll be entertained Count TaSessine > ok thanks for the advice The Mittani > But basically you are in a position of sort of strength now The Mittani > delay before exiting, or making peace, and the equation changes. No one wants to deploy caps vs AAA The Mittani > And no one knows if AAA acts alone or with the RA cap fleet too The Mittani > and you know how we all fight dirty Count TaSessine > thats the rumor anyway :-) The Mittani > Ergo, any caps deployed will be ours, not yours. You can only stand to lose at this point, and as pressure builds your support will decline among you members The Mittani > they will blame you for the losses, saying you went beyond your precious charter Count TaSessine > ok I'll take this back, we'll act quickly Count TaSessine > thanks for your time The Mittani > I'll be watching, cheers.
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Dari Vire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:16:00 -
[695]
Hmm I'm just trying to figure out what the sensitive information part is, that he was disappointed?
I guess sensitive is a relative term.
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Grimkill
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:17:00 -
[696]
Oi this was not me, I DID NOT POST THE ABOVE
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:19:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
You had no credibility to begin with, you're nothing but a traitor to your former alliance. I'm glad you got kicked out.
EXCEPT, I didnt get kicked, I left of my own accord, and a senior ISSN official has already confirmed that.
You were kicked in spirit, good enough for me.
Expect a thread a year from now from me saying, "Anyone remember when Butter Dog was kicked from ISSN for being a liar, a cheat, and a backstabber?"
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:21:00 -
[698]
Originally by: petergriffen That's because you got podded too fast to get back out again :p
He asked for a swift trip back.
Ice.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:23:00 -
[699]
Originally by: petergriffen
That's because you got podded too fast to get back out again :p
Quite the smacktard, arent you.
Bringing this all down to a personal level with me makes MC look so very profession, do keep it up. That goes to Seleene and his army of alts too.
If you had asked the pilot who podded me, he would have told you that I REQUESTED a podding back to empire. He kindly obliged.
Pray tell, what 'scandal' about me will the MC forum warriors expose next? I'm chuckling away as I type just thinking about it.
Basically, everyone knows that MC are bringing it to a personal level because they so very BADLY lost this thread. Go figure.
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petergriffen
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:26:00 -
[700]
Edited by: petergriffen on 31/12/2006 00:27:28
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: petergriffen
That's because you got podded too fast to get back out again :p
Quite the smacktard, arent you.
Bringing this all down to a personal level with me makes MC look so very profession, do keep it up. That goes to Seleene and his army of alts too.
If you had asked the pilot who podded me, he would have told you that I REQUESTED a podding back to empire. He kindly obliged.
Pray tell, what 'scandal' about me will the MC forum warriors expose next? I'm chuckling away as I type just thinking about it.
Basically, everyone knows that MC are bringing it to a personal level because they so very BADLY lost this thread. Go figure.
Damnit! I knew my "pot calling the kettle black" reference was wasted earlier... Now WE'RE the ones being blamed for trying to dig up scandal...
Mods please lock this thread, Butter Dog just keeps contradicting himself over and over again without making any real points, and now the thread is all in shambles.
Quit trying to play the victim and just admit yourself to the nearest ward.
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:34:00 -
[701]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread...
In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM.
In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy.
What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted.
All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence.
Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth.
Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it.
Good luck with finding another Corp.
Well congratulations on failing to read the thread past your original post 20 pages ago, I guess.
I would not have revealed that PM had Count not come on here and told lies about me (there was no reason to do that at the time, I hadn't brought him into it).
By electing to do so, he forced my hand. It was that or lose all credibility and have people assume I was telling porkies. That wasnt going to happen, when it came down to choosing between me and him, I chose myself - and I dont think I was wrong to do that.
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
Oh and Crozon is an ISSN alt.
LMAO - The fact that you think I would be in some way flattered by the fact that someone said that I won the thread says far more about your mentality than any words I could write.
I did read the thread through actually. It doesn't change the fact that someone trusted you with a bit of information, which you out of pure spite decided to make public.
As for Count's statement that he had not shared sensitive information with you for the past six months, perhaps he had forgotton or simply did not think it that sensitive.
As I said earlier all you have proven is that you received a PM from Count. The rest is speculation and accusations based on your less than reliable reasoning and hearsay or evidence you claim to have but have yet to produce.
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Hakk Allardson
Caldari CALDARI NAVY 'Wolf Pack' 5th Squadron Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:41:00 -
[702]
I have to agree with the sentiment that you may have won the thread but you lost your reputation in doing so. I don't think it really matters if you resigned yourself or would have been kicked out of the ISSN. The fact remains with your continued posting you knew yourself you wouldn't be able to remain in the Navy so it appears you have gone out with a huge bang.
Who cares if you win or loose a thread anyway. After all these forums really don't mean anything and it's your way of having fun, so you claim.
Have a good life dude.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:45:00 -
[703]
Originally by: Hakk Allardson I have to agree with the sentiment that you may have won the thread but you lost your reputation in doing so. I don't think it really matters if you resigned yourself or would have been kicked out of the ISSN. The fact remains with your continued posting you knew yourself you wouldn't be able to remain in the Navy so it appears you have gone out with a huge bang.
Who cares if you win or loose a thread anyway. After all these forums really don't mean anything and it's your way of having fun, so you claim.
Have a good life dude.
I think you will find that most people who arent ISS and MC don't agree.
If one person lost his reputation, its Count. Seleene to a lesser degree.
In fact, even someone in MC posted that I've come out of this pretty well. I acted honourably, and did nothing wrong, I provided proof of my main statement.
Don't forget: I said nothing bad about Count or ISS, until he chose to walk into the thread and attempt to discredit me, for reasons I still don't understand.
But you just keep on telling yourself that I've done my reputation any harm if it makes you feel better.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:47:00 -
[704]
I'm not going to comment on the thread in general, but something caught my eye on a topic I know hellaciously much about.
As much as I love Macchiavelli and the period (and analysing Eve in relation to real historical development), taking his comments about mercenaries and importing them to Eve directly does not work. His analysis of mercenaries requires the proper context.
The way in which condottieri at the time worked is not very analoguous to how mercs work in here. There's lots of differences, but the primary point of contention I would put forward is that in that period mers required subsistence simply to exist. They needed supplies and they took them from wherever they happened to be in. If this was the employer's own city, it didn't usually matter much. After the contract, the guys were still on your lands (raping, pillaging, having fun) and you basically needed another military force to throw them out, which made them much more akin to organized crime (ie. a protection racket). This caused a huge strain in resources as they not only took your money, but they also pillaged your lands.
Partly, the analogy works of course, but only the most intellectually simplistic level, which is only in that sense that mercs are greedy folks who want your money. That is not a revelation in itself - it is inherent in the definition itself and we don't need Macchiavelli to tell us that.
The day when you hire the MC and we strip-mine your asteroid belts (on top of being paid) is the day you need to start being concerned and quoting the maestro.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:49:00 -
[705]
Count hasn't lost his rep. It takes more than a comment made out of frustration to destroy that man's reputation. Same as Seleene. -
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:52:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Ryuto Rey
The Mittani > True! It will only embarass the hell out of you and shatter the morale of your rather weak-kneed pvp corps. Count TaSessine > who knows Count TaSessine > perhaps yu're right The Mittani > Anyhoo, the question is what you want to do Count TaSessine > tell me what you think we should do The Mittani > Given the WSJ article? The Mittani > I'd offer IAC F4R, tell them if they ever ever do this again you'll get this many dreads after them, chestbeat a little and then spew some more of your nauseatingly hypocritical neutrality claptrap over eveo.
I don't know if this chatlog is true or not... but omg the bit in bold me roflmao.
Class.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:52:00 -
[707]
Originally by: Kyguard Count hasn't lost his rep. It takes more than a comment made out of frustration to destroy that man's reputation. Same as Seleene.
I think you'll find its more the lying than the comment.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:01:00 -
[708]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 01:01:37
Originally by: Kyguard Count hasn't lost his rep. It takes more than a comment made out of frustration to destroy that man's reputation. Same as Seleene.
I'm afraid you don't quite understand what happened here... Count T's reputation was not destroyed by what he said about MC, thats just a disgruntled employer venting a little.
What has destroyed Count T's rep is this :
Originally by: Count Tesassine
I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. .......
He has now been kicked out again........ Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.....
(sounds like porkies to me, considering he PM's BD with sensitive info...)
We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA. another porkie.. thats not what the PM he sent to butter dog says
The biggest lie here is pretending he has not shared information with Butter Dog over the last 6 months. The date of the PM is the 22nd of December.
And anybody who tries to say that calling Selene and Enslaver "cowards" and contradicting his official stance in respect to MC's performance as mercenaries is not sensitive information for somebody in Count T's position is delusional.
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:11:00 -
[709]
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 01:03:55
Originally by: Kyguard Count hasn't lost his rep. It takes more than a comment made out of frustration to destroy that man's reputation. Same as Seleene.
I'm afraid you don't quite understand what happened here... Count T's reputation was not destroyed by what he said about MC, thats just a disgruntled employer venting a little.
What has destroyed Count T's rep is this :
Originally by: Count Tesassine
I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. .......
He has now been kicked out again........ Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.....
(sounds like porkies to me, considering he PM's BD with sensitive info...)
We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
(another porkie.. thats not what the PM he sent to butter dog says)
The biggest lie here is pretending he has not shared information with Butter Dog over the last 6 months. The date of the PM is the 22nd of December.
And anybody who tries to say that calling Selene and Enslaver "cowards" and contradicting his official stance in respect to MC's performance as mercenaries is not sensitive information for somebody in Count T's position is delusional.
A venting PM to a friend is not sensitive information you muppet.
For goodness sakes Count considered Butter Dog a friend, of course he'd talk about how things had gone. What civilian commander wouldn't seeing as how easy MC et al had made taking F4R look?
From a military point of view it was a hugely difficult operation, however it looked easy, and like MC were just not interested in taking another contract.
Ask yourself, would you have comitted dreads with AAA in system, and no solid intel of where their dread fleet was based?
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:12:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Tomas Ysidro I was under the impression that the contract was to take F4R, with option to extend.
Anyways, posting in a thread that truely delivers.
(hi mom)
hi tomas
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:14:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
Lets ignore the 'petty' stuff as you so called it then.
1: What version of the contract details are you now sticking with. You've given two differant versions in this very thread, which one are you now saying to be the correct one, and why did you offer two differant explainations in the first place.
2: Exactly what evidence do you have the MC had no client for the last IAC contract? Other then a convo with a person you now call a liar. Are you prepared to retract that statment? Or are you sticking with it?
These are not petty stuff, no matter how many times you choose to not answer them. They speak to your own credabilty during this forum campain you've had. Your flip flopping every couple minutes to suit what ever story you choose to tell on that paticular page.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:17:00 -
[712]
Edited by: Tomas Ysidro on 31/12/2006 01:17:56 nvm, Firefox hates me
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:17:00 -
[713]
Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise
Originally by: Tomas Ysidro I was under the impression that the contract was to take F4R, with option to extend.
Anyways, posting in a thread that truely delivers.
(hi mom)
hi tomas
Robbie you're in AAA!
You naughty boy
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:21:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Algey
A venting PM to a friend is not sensitive information you muppet.
For goodness sakes Count considered Butter Dog a friend, of course he'd talk about how things had gone. What civilian commander wouldn't seeing as how easy MC et al had made taking F4R look?
From a military point of view it was a hugely difficult operation, however it looked easy, and like MC were just not interested in taking another contract.
Ask yourself, would you have comitted dreads with AAA in system, and no solid intel of where their dread fleet was based?
So now Count Tesassine and Butter Dog were good friends?
Good enough friends that he might tell Butter Dog about a non-existant employer in relation to Operation Prohibition?
Good enough friends, that he might tacitly approve of BD's forum antics on behalf of ISS?
So Count T tells his friends one thing but posts quite another publicly with the intention of ruining said friends. Who needs friends like that.
The moment Count Tesassine posted that Butter Dog was persona non-grata in ISS, I think the friendship probably ended... at least ingame.
If Count T knew that BD had possesion of such a PM, he shot himslef in the foot by publicly trying to discredit his 'friend'.
How many 'friends' does Count T have with PM's sitting on their browsers where he complains about MC lacking testicular fortitude and revealing how MC did not have an employer for Operation Prohibition.
Count T screwed up, thats the best spin you can put on it.
As for AAA and whether it was a good idea to engage them or not? .. depends who you ask I guess.
Butter Dog a good 'friend' of Count T's and supposedly an FC in ISS thought it was, gah even Count T himself was disappointed... so who knows.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:22:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
Lets ignore the 'petty' stuff as you so called it then.
1: What version of the contract details are you now sticking with. You've given two differant versions in this very thread, which one are you now saying to be the correct one, and why did you offer two differant explainations in the first place.
2: Exactly what evidence do you have the MC had no client for the last IAC contract? Other then a convo with a person you now call a liar. Are you prepared to retract that statment? Or are you sticking with it?
These are not petty stuff, no matter how many times you choose to not answer them. They speak to your own credabilty during this forum campain you've had. Your flip flopping every couple minutes to suit what ever story you choose to tell on that paticular page.
1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic?
2) I've told you who my source was (only because of him wading into the thread trying to discredit me). The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence of an employer. If you can't, or won't, thats not my problem.
It comes down to a stalemate at best. And I know who I believe, and its not the merc trying to uphold his image at ANY cost.
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:22:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
So basically the only important questions are yours? You brought up some heavy stuff here and if you shall continue on your rightious path wouldnt it be cricket to adress them? You demand answers from others but refuse to do it your self?
If that was the way it works every tinfoilery thread would have zero counterposts because who ever posts first is right...
Thats just not right is it?
/Lowa
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Excesse
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:24:00 -
[717]
I really liked the suggestion that AAA should form an MC-hunting merc organisation. I know a few guys who are being paid 1bn every so often NOT to kill a bunch of plexers near where they live... maybe MC should pay AAA in the same way (and give me 10% for the idea, natch) ;)
/me grabs his T2 spoon and stirs
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:31:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
A venting PM to a friend is not sensitive information you muppet.
For goodness sakes Count considered Butter Dog a friend, of course he'd talk about how things had gone. What civilian commander wouldn't seeing as how easy MC et al had made taking F4R look?
From a military point of view it was a hugely difficult operation, however it looked easy, and like MC were just not interested in taking another contract.
Ask yourself, would you have comitted dreads with AAA in system, and no solid intel of where their dread fleet was based?
1) So now Count Tesassine and Butter Dog were good friends?
2) Good enough friends that he might tell Butter Dog about a non-existant employer in relation to Operation Prohibition?
3) Good enough friends, that he might tacitly approve of BD's forum antics on behalf of ISS?
4) So Count T tells his friends one thing but posts quite another publicly with the intention of ruining said friends. Who needs friends like that.
5) The moment Count Tesassine posted that Butter Dog was persona non-grata in ISS, I think the friendship probably ended... at least ingame.
6) If Count T knew that BD had possesion of such a PM, he shot himslef in the foot by publicly trying to discredit his 'friend'.
7) How many 'friends' does Count T have with PM's sitting on their browsers where he complains about MC lacking testicular fortitude and revealing how MC did not have an employer for Operation Prohibition.
8) Count T screwed up, thats the best spin you can put on it.
8) As for AAA and whether it was a good idea to engage them or not? .. depends who you ask I guess.
9) Butter Dog a good 'friend' of Count T's and supposedly an FC in ISS thought it was, gah even Count T himself was disappointed... so who knows.
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
Any FC who wanted to take on that group without the proper intel isn't one I'd let command an operation like that.
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:32:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere.
You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread.
So back up something else, since I still have questions.
I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important.
I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?)
Get over yourself.
Lets ignore the 'petty' stuff as you so called it then.
1: What version of the contract details are you now sticking with. You've given two differant versions in this very thread, which one are you now saying to be the correct one, and why did you offer two differant explainations in the first place.
2: Exactly what evidence do you have the MC had no client for the last IAC contract? Other then a convo with a person you now call a liar. Are you prepared to retract that statment? Or are you sticking with it?
These are not petty stuff, no matter how many times you choose to not answer them. They speak to your own credabilty during this forum campain you've had. Your flip flopping every couple minutes to suit what ever story you choose to tell on that paticular page.
1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic?
2) I've told you who my source was (only because of him wading into the thread trying to discredit me). The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence of an employer. If you can't, or won't, thats not my problem.
It comes down to a stalemate at best. And I know who I believe, and its not the merc trying to uphold his image at ANY cost.
I think I can speak for all of MC in saying that all of us are horribly concerned about our reputation being tarnished by a forum warrior who managed, in one fell swoop, to be removed from his own alliance, publicly discredited, and lacks any evidence whatsoever to back up his baseless claims. All of this standing in contrast to public opinion that our ability to provide solid, results-based mercenary work is arguably second-to-none.
Yes, trust me... we are all ready to go to bed in tears and give up EVE completely.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:33:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Algey
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
Any FC who wanted to take on that group without the proper intel isn't one I'd let command an operation like that.
Come on, Algey. You know they wouldn't have engaged AAA, even when they all logged in and left the next day.
Or we could have focused on RNF while they were logged out in JBY... it was just total fear, they gave up the moment AAA entered the picture.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:34:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Tovarishch
NIET NIET
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:36:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Nez Perces How many 'friends' does Count T have with PM's sitting on their browsers where he complains about MC lacking testicular fortitude and revealing how MC did not have an employer for Operation Prohibition.
No such quote has been presented, only BD saying that CT told him so. And now that CT perhaps wasnt all that straight forward with his opinion of MC that tail of a non-existant employer holds zero value. In short: No proof as been presented. If a picture or recording was to turn up then you still have to prove that Sel or whoever told CT this in the first place and then... you get the point.
First part true. Second part is nowere near it.
Cheers, Lowa
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:36:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Algey
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
Any FC who wanted to take on that group without the proper intel isn't one I'd let command an operation like that.
Come on, Algey. You know they wouldn't have engaged AAA, even when they all logged in and left the next day.
Or we could have focused on RNF while they were logged out in JBY... it was just total fear, they gave up the moment AAA entered the picture.
They have a 40ish strong dread fleet. We set up dreads for pos killing, and they jump in at over 100km and spank us, and we will lose a lot of dreads.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:37:00 -
[724]
Edited by: Lorth on 31/12/2006 01:37:33
Originally by: Butter Dog
1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic?
here you go
Quote: They (the mercs) were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required.
You also implied on page 2, and again on page 3 that we were contracted to take F4. Seleene, and Count say basically the same thing, with an option to extend. Though you, and only you changed your tone later in the thread to say that we were to take all three stations. So which version have you decided to stick to, despite the fact that your are in all likely hood not privy to info like that anyways.
And in all likelyhood you know damn good and well why we didn't jump at the chance of sieging with AAA in the system. It doesn't take a huge leep of logic to understand why that would have been written down as one of our stupidest moves had we choosen to do so.
Quote: 2) I've told you who my source was (only because of him wading into the thread trying to discredit me). The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence of an employer. If you can't, or won't, thats not my problem.
Now you know as well as we do, we're not going to revel the identity of our client. To do so would be far worse then the select people who will actually believe you.
Makes for a nice argument though. Saying something you know damn good and well that we can't prove, or won't in this case. And its also worth mentioning that when making allegations of this nature, you best be prepared to prove it, or be shown as a liar, its just the way things work in practice.
But are you prepared to admit that other then a convo, with a guy who knew a guy who said something, you have no other evidence at all to support your claims?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:41:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Algey
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship.
I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground?
Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone?
This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK.
As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be.
Thats what has happened here... its clear to see.
My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship.
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:45:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship.
I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground?
Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone?
This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK.
As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be.
Thats what has happened here... its clear to see.
My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship.
Blub Blub, help I'm sinking, nooooooo.
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:46:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you.
I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship.
I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground?
Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone?
This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK.
As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be.
Thats what has happened here... its clear to see.
My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship.
The only, single claim made against MC in this entire thread, regarding the quality of our service, is the fact that we were not offered enough money to make it worth our time to endanger our entire capital fleet.
Making a wise business decision based on finances somehow means our rep 'isn't as scary'?
That's odd. I'd think the opposite would be true. That if we had been willing to do it that we'd be considered tactically stupid. See? Either way it would be spun that MC is horrible and 'not scary'. People love bashing us...
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:46:00 -
[728]
Originally by: Algey
Blub Blub, help I'm sinking, nooooooo.
Don't worry Admirals can swim just fine
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:48:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Der Pfaffe
As I said earlier all you have proven is that you received a PM from Count. The rest is speculation and accusations based on your less than reliable reasoning and hearsay or evidence you claim to have but have yet to produce.
Perhaps you would care to tell me how one provides concrete evidence of something subjective?
I think you will find its not possible.
It all comes down to opinion. We know that.
The DIFFERENCE here is that the opinion is based on something. Cold, hard facts which no-one disputes. The original contract was for 3 stations, they failed in that, and it co-incided with AAA arriving.
Draw your own conclusions.
Well I have. Seleene's decision not to take on AAA in the famous (non)event you keep harping on about was based on sound military doctrine, remember Custer? Had you been leading the fleet there would have ended up in its component parts floating around in space. I know who I would want leading me.
So now you are concentrating on the "Failiure to complete contract" part. What happened to the "few" (which actually turned out to be one)"unpaid contracts" saga.
BTW KIA were actually involved in that first war with IAC and I know we got paid. While I have no idea about who the client was I think we can safely assume it was the same person that hired MC. Based solely on that evidence again I know who I would believe in this case.
What I don't really understand is why you have ranted on for 20 pages about having evidence about what MC does and doesn't do, when what it really comes down to, as you admit above, is your own personal opinion...
Of course you have no concrete evidence, you just started stamping your little feet because MC told you, you were making a fool out of yourself and ISS by posting on the forums and asked you to stop.
Given that your opinion is based on a tantrum induced series of conjecture and speculation, with a little hearsay thrown in for good measure, your opinion isn't really based on a reasoned argument.
But anyway that's just my own opinion.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:48:00 -
[730]
I feel compelled to post here for pepperami -
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Pepperami
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:49:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Kyguard I feel compelled to post here for pepperami
<3
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:06:00 -
[732]
Its late and I cant find the bloody report thread but here is a locked one that would pretty much indicate that MC/FiX has already fought AAA. MC, FiX and AAA
Cant remember numbers but there were capitals involved from both sides, I know FiX lost a bunch and that some RAT. fell asleep at a safe, got probed and lost 3 carriers. RAT. killed a sick amount of ships but FiX got their OP. Everyone had tons of fun.
So what does this prove other than I'm up to late searching forums? MC ando others are not afraid to engage AAA. Why would they? If you get it on properly they are a riot to fight they bring it like very few others.
Good night and a happy New Year ppl! \o/
Cheers, Lowa
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:27:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Lorth Edited by: Lorth on 31/12/2006 01:37:33
Originally by: Butter Dog
1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic?
here you go
Quote: They (the mercs) were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required.
You also implied on page 2, and again on page 3 that we were contracted to take F4. Seleene, and Count say basically the same thing, with an option to extend.
Om my god, of course I did. Someone sell this man a clue. Mate, you have totally lost the plot here.
I publically admitted, clearly stated, that I when I was in ISS I originally spun events to make it look like F4 was the only goal, and that I REGRETTED DOING SO. I did this because I wanted to make you guys look better than you really were. I stated F4 was the only goal because, at the time, thats what we (MC/ISS) wanted people to believe. Have you forgotten what side I was originally on?
Clueless ftl.
Why did I do this? Because back on page 2, you had not ****** me off. You hadnt sent me borderline abusive evemails. That all changed over 24 hours ago.
I then resigned my roles in ISS, I publically stated I would make a post exposing the truth about the contract details (though Seleenes litte rants caused me to spill the beans early), and I did just that.
Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower?
Honestly, its like teaching in a special school.
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Xander Magnus
Caldari Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:37:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Clueless ftl... ... Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower?
Honestly, its like teaching in a special school.
I just have to say this: you keep telling how everyone is personally attacking you while you are only trying to have a mature discussion. They make it personal, you are all reasonable, what is this then?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:39:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Xander Magnus
Originally by: Butter Dog
Clueless ftl... ... Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower?
Honestly, its like teaching in a special school.
I just have to say this: you keep telling how everyone is personally attacking you while you are only trying to have a mature discussion. They make it personal, you are all reasonable, what is this then?
Its called brining it down to their level.
Its obviously language they understand.
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:40:00 -
[736]
Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 31/12/2006 02:46:20 Nez Perce's argument is crap -- it hinges on the semantics of "sensitive", and when you're reduced to that, you got nothing.
The Count is not a military commander. He relied on help from others for that, including Butter Dog. To his credit, Butter Dog stepped forward to fight and committ billions to help. To his discredit, he's a freakin' loose cannon and completely unable to see the other side of any story. When Butter Dog is ranting to the Count that sure, fighting AAA would have been no problem, maybe the Count, who has no particular reason to think otherwise at that point, believed him, and wrote what he wrote in the message.
When reality takes hold, and other, more realistic advice comes, the Count realizes the case, and writes his public message. MC performed well in F4 -- that just can't be denied. BD can whine about whatever he wants there, but MC did the job in F4 just fine. Which the Count acknowledged.
The two are not incompatible at all. The Count didn't lie -- he had an idea and changed his mind. The only problem here is BD careening around thinking only of himself, thinking that private messages from the Count meant more than they actually said.
It's possible to be disappointed one day that AAA wasn't beaten, if some delusional FC you respected at the time tells you they could be, and then later realize that said FC was delusional, and appreciate the work that was actually done.
It's really not a big deal. Nez Perces is a moron with an axe to grind and BD is a loose cannon who is clearly willing to cut off his nose to spite his face. What some people call "lieing" might actually be something more akin to "learning". Not a big deal.
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:43:00 -
[737]
considering this thread started out as just a general statement about how the war was going, this thread has steared (sp?) WAY off topic : P
lock time maybe?
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:49:00 -
[738]
Originally by: Lowa Its late and I cant find the bloody report thread but here is a locked one that would pretty much indicate that MC/FiX has already fought AAA. MC, FiX and AAA
Cant remember numbers but there were capitals involved from both sides, I know FiX lost a bunch and that some RAT. fell asleep at a safe, got probed and lost 3 carriers. RAT. killed a sick amount of ships but FiX got their OP. Everyone had tons of fun.
So what does this prove other than I'm up to late searching forums? MC ando others are not afraid to engage AAA. Why would they? If you get it on properly they are a riot to fight they bring it like very few others.
Good night and a happy New Year ppl! \o/
Cheers, Lowa
It wasn`t only RAT. Since we created alliance with our friends - its aAa killed insane amount of ships As for losses. We was attacking, Lowa. We had NO safespot in system (all moons with POS) Kinda hard to perform 30 hours op, without able being to go pee-pee
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:57:00 -
[739]
Originally by: Butter Dog Don't forget: I said nothing bad about Count or ISS, until he chose to walk into the thread and attempt to discredit me, for reasons I still don't understand.
No, sorry, you don't get away with that. Let's have a couple of quotes from before Counts about the "No Client for first IAC contract" claim:
Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, and my source of this data? Seleene himself, in a private conversation to someone who entrusted me with the info (sorry I let it slip, nothing personal)
Originally by: Butter Dog Seleene told someone who is a high ranking person in ISS, who passed the info to me.
Added 1+1 together yet?
Oh look! It was pretty clear you were referring to the Count.
You publicly accuse the Count of slipping you info of that order & don't expect him to wash his hands of you?
Seriously?
By bringing that to the forum, it doesn't matter if you were lying about that, if he lied to you about it, or if you were both telling the truth, he has to slap you down for bringing that here. And you deserved it.
You either lied about that convo, or betrayed a confidence by mentioning it. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, you started to set him up before his post & put the boot in ever since.
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Jnr Rau
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:06:00 -
[740]
Look Ma there is flames coming out of ISS's Hull... its gunna go pop soon.
" grabs more popcorn and waits for the fraps on eve-files. " ----------------- Suck it and See. |
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:11:00 -
[741]
Lub your sig Evil Thug!
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Tarsha Listur
Glamour Bunnies Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:24:00 -
[742]
Edited by: Tarsha Listur on 31/12/2006 03:27:01 butters arguments remind me of that annoying goon that used to troll around these parts.
and BD you contridict your self constantly, you say you are being mature and act like a freakin child, no no not in response too. since page one.
no serious corp will ever have you
no one will believe you (omgz a non sensitive PM)
your anattention seeker,
PS goons may recruit you, you seem thier type
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shadyfox99
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:26:00 -
[743]
Originally by: Der Pfaffe Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 31/12/2006 02:02:03
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Der Pfaffe
As I said earlier all you have proven is that you received a PM from Count. The rest is speculation and accusations based on your less than reliable reasoning and hearsay or evidence you claim to have but have yet to produce.
Perhaps you would care to tell me how one provides concrete evidence of something subjective?
I think you will find its not possible.
It all comes down to opinion. We know that.
The DIFFERENCE here is that the opinion is based on something. Cold, hard facts which no-one disputes. The original contract was for 3 stations, they failed in that, and it co-incided with AAA arriving.
Draw your own conclusions.
Well I have. Seleene's decision not to take on AAA in the famous (non)event you keep harping on about was based on sound military doctrine, remember Custer? Had you been leading the fleet it would have ended up in its component parts floating around in space. I know who I would want leading me.
So now you are concentrating on the "Failiure to complete contract" part. What happened to the "few" (which actually turned out to be one)"unpaid contracts" saga.
BTW KIA were actually involved in that first war with IAC and I know we got paid. While I have no idea about who the client was I think we can safely assume it was the same person that hired MC. Based solely on that evidence I know who I would believe in this case. There is a reason why hearsay is not admissible by most respectable law systems, it tends to be unreliable.
What I don't really understand is why you have ranted on for 20 pages about having evidence about what MC does and doesn't do, when what it really comes down to, as you admit above, is your own personal opinion...
Of course you have no concrete evidence, you just started stamping your little feet because MC told you, you were making a fool out of yourself and ISS by posting on the forums and asked you to stop.
Given that your opinion is based on a tantrum induced series of conjecture and speculation, with a little hearsay thrown in for good measure, your opinion isn't really based on a reasoned argument.
But anyway that's just my own opinion.
Edited for clarity and grammar,,,
Please read Mr. Der Pfaffe's post. Then read it again. Now try to think about what he wrote.
WHY are posts like yours alwayd drowned out, and only the flames, etc focused on? Its amazing how people only take bits and pieces from posts to "formulate" their "facts".
Good post sir, good post.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:26:00 -
[744]
Stop asking for a lock you turds ;P I want to see Count reply again
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Kane Ululani
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:34:00 -
[745]
Originally by: Butter Dog I acted honourably, and did nothing wrong, I provided proof of my main statement.
Don't forget: I said nothing bad about Count or ISS, until he chose to walk into the thread and attempt to discredit me, for reasons I still don't understand.
But you just keep on telling yourself that I've done my reputation any harm if it makes you feel better.
Another carebear. You betray your friends, your allies and your honour. pftt.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:35:00 -
[746]
jerry jerry jerry
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:39:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Its called brining it down to their level.
Its obviously language they understand.
Funny because I've been nothing but cordal with you in this thread, other then pressing you to answer some questions, I've even managed to trim them down to a couple rather the orginal dozen or so things that you either out right lied about or were completly oblvious to what actually occured.
So at this point we have you saying you made something up in the first page. Well one has to ask, since MC made you so angry with that eve mail (and to put it into context was from an ex corp mate of his) we have to wonder now that we have angered Butter Dog, what else he is willing make up. If your making up things to support your allies, one must also assume your willing make up things to make your enemys look bad no?
So heres anouther direct question, which you'll no doubt take as a personal insult, and then flame me for it... Why should we believe someone who have admitted to lying to save face?
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Auri Hella
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:53:00 -
[748]
It's the Thread That Won't Die. I need more popcorn
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:58:00 -
[749]
Originally by: Auri Hella It's the Thread That Won't Die. I need more popcorn
actually no, it's 2006 best candidate for EVE-O forums Best thread and Legendary thread.
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Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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MadnessWithin
Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:09:00 -
[750]
BD I feel that you have done ISS a great injustice. ISS would have far less issues over time if you had been able to keep alliance matters in the alliance.
I believe you have done ISS and MC a great deal of harm. By bringing to light the specifics of contracts, alliance plans, private communications you have done massive harm.
Harm strategically (our enemies may now know past and possibly future plans, they know how strong are relationships are) Harm politically (the community thinks less of ISS when you speak for ISS without authorization - this may be true for this post - however as your not in ISS anymore I will risk it.), Harm financially (your outbursts scare investors)
I am obviously speaking from personal opinion and also without permission. I only have only your posts and listening on ts and of course listening to the disgust at your actions on these that my fellow corp members felt.
But I feel strongly that you have caused us and our cause harm. There is a word for this kind of damage to a cause. It's called being a traitor.
I have added to it I know, but mods and elchief can we get this thread locked. It's not good for anyone.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:11:00 -
[751]
No lock ! ;|
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:11:00 -
[752]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 04:17:20
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Nez Perces is a moron.
Thats what you really wanted to say isnt it...
The rest is smoking mirrors.
You can make up as many excuses as you want about Count T's post trying to bury Butter Dog, he had a headache, he had a tooth ache, he was frustrated, angry, PMT etc.. etc...
That does not change a basic fact.
Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions.
And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM.
"Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply"
Its sensitive stuff, period.
Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight.
It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking??
Calling me a moron does not change things... I'm sorry.
[edit:typo]
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:12:00 -
[753]
yeah to be honest i think the original intention of this thread has long since been forgotten i think any iss/ mc / butter dog issues need to be brought up in another thread. this was originally just a update on the war type thready thingy IAC bringing you man train since 2004 |
HeadWar
Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:15:00 -
[754]
Ah well, I've been up to 5 am reading this bloody thread, so I might as well make a reply. (It's gonna be rambly, it's 5 am, and I've just read this thread, which has done bad things to my brain...)
The mercenary business in EVE is NOT all about the money. EVE is (for most of us) about having fun, and thus the same goes for mercenary work.
It's incredibly hard, no matter what level you are at, to find a mercenary contract that will provide you with a reasonable challenge. If you misjudge your opposition, you will either find yourself running around trying to gank shuttles, or being outblobbed so badly you can't even undock. Neither of those is a lot of fun.
It's a fine line between sound business practice, cowardice, common sense, boredom and bravery. It's also very much in the eye of the beholder which one is which.
Anyway, BD, you're saying you are doing all this because you got a nasty mail from the MC? Why did you get that nasty mail, if you weren't already saying bad things about them?
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Plymer Ization
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:17:00 -
[755]
Good thread. Fast-paced too, full of excitement, drama, and suspense. Keep it coming, and I too would like to see a Count reply before this gets locked... as it eventually will.
I'll keep my opinions of parties in question to myself, as I think they have been repeated by a number of individuals more than enough times.
All I can say is that I strongly suspect some kind of 3rd-party interference at some point in the IAC/ISS timeline, be it a month ago or before my time in the Navy.
Looking forward to a conclusion, whatever it may be.
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Akuma Gouki
Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:23:00 -
[756]
I am posting in a legendary thread, and offering no contribution. Much like everyone else! Someone please lock this thing! :P
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Shuriath
Caldari Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:26:00 -
[757]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Khermine Baddenash The ISS is mentally, logistically and technician incapable to mount an offensive war succesful
We're in a defensive position.
So your entire post and the logic behind it is flawed.
Our outpost defence doctrine is very strong, we know how to kill dreads and if anyone deploys them against POS in an outpost system, they will lose them.
ISSN is a small-ish corp of 130. Of course it can't hold back an alliance, it was never designed to do so. Mercs are part of ISS's business model - you can't remove them from the equation because if and when they are needed, they WILL be there.
They were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required. ISS is never going to run out of money to pay them. And in this game, ISK talks.
Taking an outpost is not a defensive move.. regaurdless of who "started" the war, a defensive stance would be purely *preventing IAC from taking either zxic or kdf* taking f4 was offensive- if you dont believe me try looking up some books on offense and defense, and youll cleary see that.
Sorry for quoting from page 4 of 27 O_o iv not read the forums for a week, lots of fun reading these posts tho.
P.S. i think the stats posted by butterdog already included kills from MC, LV, Veto, UK, SERA, TYR and any of the other corps/alliances who got involved. so all thats really missing is the payment costs to the merc corps and also, since the fight isnt finnished and IAC havent yet taken back F4, the future ship losses and ISS pos losses.
IAC also havnt included AAA, Goon, or SOD kills, so in reality trying at this time to assess the balance of costs between the two sides is futile as it is simply too disorganised with stats missing.
Great fights from MC, love when your involved guys, and LV, you really get the heart pumping, and thats what makes pvp good.
I look forward to seeing how this turns out, (IAC 4TW) There is a fine line between pleasure and pain |
Xander Magnus
Caldari Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:35:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 04:17:20
Originally by: Smoking Mirror
Nez Perces is a moron.
Thats what you really wanted to say isnt it...
The rest is smoking mirrors.
You can make up as many excuses as you want about Count T's post trying to bury Butter Dog, he had a headache, he had a tooth ache, he was frustrated, angry, PMT etc.. etc...
That does not change a basic fact.
Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions.
And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM.
"Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply"
Its sensitive stuff, period.
Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight.
It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking??
Calling me a moron does not change things... I'm sorry.
[edit:typo]
You're basing a lot of conclusions on a simple private PM and taking it all out of context to suit your personal agenda it seems... That PM doesn't make Count's post terrible at all. What if he was venting some steam? You're making your own personal opinion sound like there is no other conclusion and you simply state facts. It was a personal message for a reason.
BD had no excuse to post that PM, no matter what. That conversatoin was based on trust, and there are no excuses for posting it afterwards. It's like making pictures of your girlfriend and putting them on the internet after she broke up with you.
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Marovinchian
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:40:00 -
[759]
erm.........bump?
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Some Character
Has an opinion that he would like to tell EVERYONE
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:46:00 -
[760]
TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS
NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE
ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE
BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS
WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS
except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:55:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Some Character TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS
NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE
ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE
BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS
WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS
except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now
best alt and altcorp evar
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:59:00 -
[762]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 05:03:11
Originally by: Xander Magnus
You're basing a lot of conclusions on a simple private PM and taking it all out of context to suit your personal agenda it seems...
K what is my personal agenda? I'd like to hear it. I'll tell you what... I'll help you, I think there is something wrong with the whole McFIX thing... I don't know what it is, and I can't put my finger on it. K happy?
Now thats as far as it goes, in respect to a personal agenda. Beyond that I find the thread interesting... and also I believe that there is a kernel of truth to be found in what Butter Dog is saying.. its just a gut instinct. I like the truth.
Originally by: Xander Magnus
That PM doesn't make Count's post terrible at all. What if he was venting some steam? You're making your own personal opinion sound like there is no other conclusion and you simply state facts. It was a personal message for a reason.
BD had no excuse to post that PM, no matter what. That conversatoin was based on trust, and there are no excuses for posting it afterwards. It's like making pictures of your girlfriend and putting them on the internet after she broke up with you.
I think with the thread being so long, you missed some crucial stages of what has happened here. Lets go over them for the upteenth time.
1. Butter Dog is up to his usual tricks on the forums, rubbing people up the wrong way, being slightly obnoxious.. not really doing ISS any favours. The usual.
2.Somebody in MC gets annoyed with his postings, to the point where they send him eve-mails.. with a severity of tone sufficient to make Butter Dog feel threatened and annoyed that MC are trying to shut him up.
3.Butter Dog says he will reveal stuff. He also says that Count T doesn't mind him posting
4. MC say "oh yeah what stuff"
5. Butter Dog makes his two big claims, MC were scared of AAA and would not engage for any amount of ISK and that he has a source whom Seleene told about there not being a contract for Operation Prohibition.
6.Count Tesassine arrives on the forums saying he has not spoken to Butter Dog in over 6 months about anything of any consequence and that he will be glad to see the back of him and that he did not approve of his forum whoring on behalf of ISS
7. Butter Dog reveals his source with a PM as proof. His source is Count Tesassine he has a genuine screenshot of a PM with Count Tesassine saying not very nice things about MC. Count Tesassine is also the source for the information about Operation Prohibition. We got drama!!!!
Now you're saying that Butter Dog had no excuse to post that PM.... well maybe.. but if he hadn't he would have been jeered out of town. If you look at the chain of events you will realise that until Count Tesassine tried to discredit Butter Dog, BD had not revealed the source. The truth is Count Tesassine forced him into it, with his post. Which is why its such a bad post, it forced Butter Dog to reveal Count Tesassine as the source.
Tbh you couldn't make this up, its a great story... its got everything in it.
I mean if you look at the chain of events with a clear head. Count Tesassine's behaviour is odd very odd.... his post in retrospect seems like a poor attempt at damage limitation, where he realises that Butter Dog has posession of damaging information and does a botched up job of trying to bury him, in retrospect it even seems an act of desperation.
[edit:typo]
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Akuma Gouki
Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:02:00 -
[763]
Originally by: Some Character TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS
NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE
ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE
BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS
WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS
except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now
I don't know who you are, but your alt name and corp are hilarious.
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:06:00 -
[764]
Butter Dog causing problems for ISS by posting? No. Can't be. Nobody saw that comming from a mile away. Really.
The truth will set you free
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Shinjuro
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:14:00 -
[765]
Soo BD finally revealed his source while I was on a binge..?
Good for him. But what does it accomplish? Ohh Looky Count T the mighty leader of ISS doesn't like what MC did. (BTW Lorth, BD isn't the only one that doesn't care for MC, just ask maGz ) So far we have been proven that, A. MC refused to continue the contract past F4 (kudos for that assault btw, was insane). B. Count was ticked that they didn't wish to continue. (I'm not trying to defend MC here, but they turned down a few of my m8's before on contracts b/c of certain unnamed reasons, and did we get ticked and go forum *****? Nope, we kept our composure and then forum *****'d.)
P.S. It is late, and I'm prob. too drunk to post, so don't flame my grammer atm.
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Wylker
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:22:00 -
[766]
Um, I just wanted to take part in an epic thread. "Hi mom!" /me waves.
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Caesium
Amarr Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:27:00 -
[767]
I like pie
Caesium Lyrus Associates |
Pakmule
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:36:00 -
[768]
After reading this soap opera can anyone blame us for setting our "friends" to -10?
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Pakmule
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:38:00 -
[769]
Originally by: Caesium I like pie
Hey now, you are stealing my famous battlecry from local chat!
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Alan Yentob
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:41:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Jnr Rau Look Ma there is flames coming out of ISS's Hull... its gunna go pop soon.
" grabs more popcorn and waits for the fraps on eve-files. "
oh balls, he aint wrong. erm.....sod it! FULL SPEED AHEAD! DAMN THE TORPEDOES!
/me may or may not be an alt of an involved party
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General Meridus
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:00:00 -
[771]
I would not have thought it possible that one person, Butter Brain, could create such anger. I wonder what things in game would be like if he was never part of ISSN. Definately better.
Now bad blood being stirred up about MC. I have flown with MC several times, and have fought in their fleets. They are simply the best.
People there is no point arguing or listening to Butter Dog. We are seeing mental illness in action. It would be better to sit with a complete drunk, for a challenging game of chess.
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:00:00 -
[772]
Posting in this legendary thread. My first video!
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Nweilin Ng
UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:04:00 -
[773]
OMG Arrgs, love your sig, can you move it to the left a bit? btw, posting in a legendery thread
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:12:00 -
[774]
you TOO can own a special part of the iss/iac conflict! purchase your commemorative memorabilia today!
Linkage!!!
Now! I believe someone said that attacking f4r was not a defensive maneuever, but offensive. I have taken the time out of my busy (see: drunk) day to offer this bit of tactical advice, in opposition of this statement
listen well kiddies!
Tactical Dispositions (only the relevant ones. this is chapter IV, The Art of War) 5. Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive.
6. Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength.
7. The general who is skilled in defense hides in the most secret recesses of the earth; he who is skilled in attack flashes forth from the topmost heights of heaven. Thus on the one hand we have ability to protect ourselves; on the other, a victory that is complete.
That aside, I think we all need to turn over a new leaf for new years and give up forum whoring, judging by the inordinate length of this thread. BAWK! <3
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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smoogie
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:20:00 -
[775]
Edited by: smoogie on 31/12/2006 06:26:21 It is becoming increasing clear to be what is going on here. MC and Butter Dog are being played, mere puppets in a grand scheme to scam 500 billion isk from the people of Eve. I am, of course, talking about the ISS IPO.
/tinfoil
Count TaSessine is really a GH-SC/IAC operative and has been all along. It always bothered me the reasons IAC set ISS -10. What could possible be gained from such a move? It all makes sense if you consider the count as a GH-SC operative. Some may know the count personally in RL, but with a few hundred billion isk, who can you really trust? You see, I suspect LV and MC's involvement in this conflict was always expected by IAC. What was probably NOT expected by IAC/GHSC was the MC starbase in F4R2 as the staging point for MC capitals, and more importantly, LV's Titan.
It is well known by almost all parties here that ISS is heavily infiltrated. I suspect that if MC/LV had used an ISS POS to base their capital ship fleet instead of their own starbase, you would have a dead titan, several dead motherships and dozens of dead dreadnoughts/carriers. This would of course lead to the collapse of ISS, and the Count free to "disappear" with the 500 billion ISK.
Now, what does this have to do with Butter Dog? Butter Dog is a fool is now being played by the Count to alienate MC from ISS. When IAC makes it move on ISS stations, I suspect LV and even possibly BoB may turn up with their capitals and they will have to now base out of an ISS POS. I shall leave you with that thought....
/end tinfoil
The IAC/GH-SC evil must be stopped!
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Sobach
Gallente Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:20:00 -
[776]
/me gets his place in a legendary thread
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:32:00 -
[777]
Originally by: smoogie Edited by: smoogie on 31/12/2006 06:26:21
Now, **** **** **** **** ** ** ****? Butter Dog is a fool ** *** ***** ****** ** *** ***** to alienate MC **** ***. **** IAC ***** *** **** *** **** LV and even ******* BoB *** **** **** ***** ****** *** **** will have to now base out of a ISS POS. * **** ***** **** *****.
*** ***** evil must be stopped!
Fixed. Or, rather, redacted. Now Tinfoil-Hat Conspiracy Censor-Approved.
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N Solarz
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:32:00 -
[778]
Check out my new sig. i think its fitting _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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Jim Lovell
Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:38:00 -
[779]
HAHA! nice one Nsolarz, let me just ammend my sig...
/me waves
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Daggiz
Minmatar Cronus Hunters Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:39:00 -
[780]
Edited by: Daggiz on 31/12/2006 06:41:05 Edited by: Daggiz on 31/12/2006 06:40:03 as someone looking on from the outside...this is certainly better than any soap opera on the television these days.
with no meaningful interest in this conflict, other than great reading on the forums while at work, this certainly gets my vote as the best I've read this year!
Should rename the thread "All My MC/ISS" or "As ISS/MC/Butterdog Turns". |
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:40:00 -
[781]
Originally by: N Solarz Check out my new sig. i think its fitting
Needs to have some of the words on the document blacked out, you know all the conspiracy stuff and all ----
Originally by: Oveur on rigs Sure, np, it's only like ... the 6th time I say this here
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:45:00 -
[782]
I want a T-shirt that says "i read all the way through elchief's thread, and all i got was this stupid shirt"
BTW... how is the war going, i've spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in... hmm, maybe that was the plan =) "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us" |
Jim Lovell
Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 07:12:00 -
[783]
Quote: I want a T-shirt that says "i read all the way through elchief's thread, and all i got was this stupid shirt"
BTW... how is the war going, i've spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in... hmm, maybe that was the plan =) "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us"
LOL!
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 07:44:00 -
[784]
everyone be very very quiet, i think butter dog is sleeping...
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 07:50:00 -
[785]
This is player driven MMORPG content at its very best.
Who shot JR? I think I missed an episode on p22.
Its great being Amarr, and having 27 charisma, isn't it?
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Caesium
Amarr Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 08:00:00 -
[786]
icey hot stuntaz 4tw
And I like pie, has been my death cry since about '93 when I used to mud on allanthya
Regardless, I don't see any wrong doing by count here, and butter has really never struck me as someone significantly talented or particularly bright, this thread however has certainly been an amusing read.
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Toranya Faidutti
Gallente White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 08:04:00 -
[787]
Wow, gotta love how fast these threads explode when doo-doo hits the fan.
I didn't keep track of the dates but one day towards the beginning of the war I was sitting out in front of the station at ZXIC and there was everyone's favorite forum warrior asking for a quick pod back to empire. Being there with guns and drones, I complied. I actually had a good laugh about it with my corpmates because BD actually was *****ing that I wasn't killing him fast enough. (Rails don't work so well at 100m...)
I can provide the killmail if anyone requires proof... but I am not sure why something so silly was even slightly contested. The only thing not factually accurate in BD's post about being podded back to empire is that I am a *she* not a *he*. However, I do understand the tendency in this game to default everyone's gender to male so I think this can be considered an excusable error as the request was made in local and not on TS where my gender would have been obvious.
Of course, this might not have even been the same occasion if there were multiple times during the war that he requested a VERY fast podding back to empire.
As to all the other accusations being slung around, I have no knowledge so I have no comment.
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Almega
Caldari The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 08:12:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Duke Grail ...spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in...
/Signed!
I'll take a shirt and a place in this legendary thread.
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 09:14:00 -
[789]
I hope this thread is not locked before the Count posts his reply, or before the war ends, witchever comes first.
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 09:45:00 -
[790]
Posting in legondary thread.
But what this thread needs is more emoticons
hope this helps
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
*Locked*
Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.
Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 10:33:00 -
[791]
I just have one to thing to say to you all...
HAPPY NEW YEAR \o/
The best bit of this thread are long gone, its in its dying days, so lets all drink and be merry as 2006 moves into 2007
\o/
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 10:56:00 -
[792]
finally the man makes sense
Linkage
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Azzaa
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:05:00 -
[793]
Edited by: Azzaa on 31/12/2006 11:07:55 At this point i would just like to ask MC how much to hire you to kill ISS since you do kill for money and you dont have a current contract. (not that i have heard)
My little message to butter dog
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Uuve Savisaalo
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:14:00 -
[794]
Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 31/12/2006 11:14:10 pizdets.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:17:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 31/12/2006 11:17:41 I'll leave you with a quick thread recap to flame about while I'm out partying for a few days, bascially my main claims and what the result is;
* MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop
Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to....
* MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away.
* ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract
Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with.
* MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights
Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges.
* There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract
Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them.
And that sums it up pretty well I think.
And don't forget, I only revealed my source for a couple of those points because he decided to come on this thread and lie about me. That blew up in his face pretty good.
Oh... but according to MC, I'm the one who is discredited
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:17:00 -
[796]
Dammit! we want to hear from Count!....
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:22:00 -
[797]
Edited by: xh''duality on 31/12/2006 11:23:12 OI I am realy loving this threat. OMFG it must be the best every Not only going way off topic but the lengh of it going on. OMFG keep it up. Elchief has created a monster, Just had to refuel me pop corn and tough I let something out so DHB Foofighter can finaly pod me for still posting on here. And while we are already off topic HAPPY NEW YEAR to all
PS.: this is just a nother spam mail from me to encurage all ya guys to start posting more junk so we can move on and add some more chapter's on this thread. We have to hit atleast 100 pages to win this one.
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:25:00 -
[798]
As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful
MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses
ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get.
these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts.
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:27:00 -
[799]
Quote: As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful
MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses
ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get.
these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts.
Not a very neutral one .........
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:30:00 -
[800]
Edited by: maGz on 31/12/2006 11:30:22
Originally by: Goodtime Girl
Quote: As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful
MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses
ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get.
these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts.
Not a very neutral one .........
He didn't claim to be neutral did he?
Now Count make that post so I/we can ridicule you and your feeble attempt at damage control... ____________
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Goodtime Girl
Amarr Anger Management
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:36:00 -
[801]
Quote: Now Count make that post so I/we can ridicule you and your feeble attempt at damage control...
Typicial IAC and Priory .... can't win in space so they have to forum troll ...
Hows F4
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Ar3s
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:37:00 -
[802]
So lets get this right .......
You attack the ISS
then
You lose an Outpost
and
You won ......
LMAO
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:48:00 -
[803]
Originally by: Goodtime Girl Typicial IAC and Priory .... can't win in space so they have to forum troll ... Hows F4
Yeah, cos IAC + SoD had any sort of chance defending against the capital ****blob of like... 4 med / large alliances and a couple of other corps. Looks a bit more fair now that the rest of the bandwagoneers have gone home
As for not winning in space, everyone wins some, and loses some. 90% of the time we fight inferior numbers and strength and we STILL engage. Oh by the way, I dont ever remember seeing you in space so maybe you should post with your PVP character, or maybe you should come visit us somewhen to prove your expertise.
Happy new year
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Draec Sjet
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:58:00 -
[804]
Edited by: Draec Sjet on 31/12/2006 11:59:23 the audacity of ISS members is suprising considering now their 'friends' who i'm guessing cost a lot to help you out, have left. now you will feel the full force of IAC, now you will see what we can do when you back us into a corner with far more ships than we have.
you can shoot out POSes, jeer about (for now) taking our outpost, but our fighting spirit will crush you ;)
2 additional things, one, great success against IAC when it's Christmas and not many people are on, very well done on that one, how did you do it?
Secondly, there are more capitals in this post than ISS have left in their fleet :P
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:06:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 31/12/2006 11:17:41 I'll leave you with a quick thread recap to flame about while I'm out partying for a few days, bascially my main claims and what the result is;
Your claims. Is exactly that. The problem is you see them as the full truth and expect everyone else to follow suite. No, thats not the way it works.
Originally by: Butter Dog
* MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop
Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to....
So you admit being wrong earlier in this thread? Where you said that the underlined wasnt the case? Where is the PM discussion for continued operations? I only see a PM that talks about one night.
And as both me and EvilThug of RAT. has posted MC has already fought aAa once!!! (Sorry ET, it was late when I wrote that last post and missed saying aAa instead of RAT. )
Originally by: Butter Dog
* MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away.
I haven seen any proof that this was the original goal. And tbh I have only heard of F4 as the goal all along. And since I've heard that it must be true following your logic yes? And as explained, you dont posses the knowledge to know what it takes to go up against aAa. Its actually that simple, coz if you did you wouldnt speak like this about it. There are things you also must understand about the merc profession.
Originally by: Butter Dog
* ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract
Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with.
Not at all fact! That PM stated he was dissapointed with last nights offer to attack. Not proving by a long shot that CT didnt like the rest of the OP. And if so why is he not saying this to LV as well? They helped out a lot too as countless posts has said. But then again, who knows CT might be dissapointed all the way and then I belive he might have missunderstood what merc's do as well.
Originally by: Butter Dog
* MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights
Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges.
This is all based on your opinion. That can never be fact. Period. And by saying this you are also calling all targets MC has ever had soft and weak. I'm pretty sure none of them would agree to that. And again, why dont YOU go out there and PROVE how its done! SHOW US YOUR BALLS!
Originally by: Butter Dog
* There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract
Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them.
You have presented a source. Not proof. Fact. Its not a stalemate, its nothing.
And yeah, Happy New Yarr to you too!
/Lowa
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:08:00 -
[806]
I have only one thing to say: Nez & BD = Dumb & Dumber |
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:11:00 -
[807]
Originally by: Butter Dog * MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop
Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to....
Yup MC and LV would not jump into JBY that night and no one disputes that. Now to back up your claim that MC will never engage AAA you show a PM which has count venting in reply to you saying in past tense that no amount of money would have got Sel to jump in. Well that isn't quite true, if ISS offered ten trillion ISK then am sure every cap ship MC owns would jump in and we'd have fun seeing how many AAA cap ships we got. If you doubt the previous statement then I would be very surprised because everyone in MC is not afraid to loose one cap ship in exchange for ISK that are orders of magnitude above it's value. So was that a figure of speech or the literal truth, my guess is it is a figure of speech.
Originally by: Butter Dog
* MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away.
If there was one all encompassing contract to take all outposts for x amount then why was payment split up? You claim that Serenity Steel was going to send the 2nd lot of ISK, why is that? Could the contract have been take F4R, get paid, take next outpost etc? Would that fit the model of an engagement by ISS with ongoing objectives and payment rather than an all encompassing contract of xyz?
As has been stated above Mercenaries fight for profit, expenses generally are ammo, fuel and especially replacement ships and modules for items lost in combat. In order to make a profit your expenses must nt be more than you are paid. In order to work out a price you have to estimate your losses. With AAA in the picture then estimated losses will be higher than just IAC and so the price of engagement goes up, especially as cap ships will probably be lost. With the Leader of ISS stating that ISS does not want to engage AAA how far do you think those negotiations went?
Originally by: Butter Dog
* ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract
Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with.
Yes Count vented to you in a reply that he was frustrated that MC & LV didn't jump in that night, yet on here he is not expressing disappointment.
Originally by: Butter Dog
* MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights
Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges.
MC did not expect LV to be in F4R and fully expected the fight to be like the last engagement, how is that taking a cakewalk? As for us claiming undue credit, where are the posts of outrage from LV, FIX and UK leaders?
Originally by: Butter Dog
* There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract
Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them.
You said you spoke to count on vent and he told you this and to back this up you show a PM where Count is miffed that his allies didn't want to engage AAA one night. Not really a smoking gun is it.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:24:00 -
[808]
Originally by: Nez Perces Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions.
And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM.
"Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply"
Its sensitive stuff, period.
Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight.
It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking??
I think you have hit the nail on the head it was a sensitive opinion. However where are all the other PM's detailing the plans and contract details between MC and ISS? Where are the cries of outrage by Count that MC have failed in their contract? If Count has been sharing sensitive info all along with BD surely there must me something more damming than one private email showing frustration in one battle don't you think?
As for being kicked, well iirc a ISSN guy above stated BD recalled his roles before he got to him, so did BD smell the wind and get their first, looks like it doesn't it. I mean BD has been fighting for ISS all this time and in their hour of need resigns and because one ex ISS person in MC sends one email asking him to shut up? That is what it took to abandon his colleagues?
I mean if BD has mountains of proof then surely there should be something more than a PM expressing an opinion about one battle don't you think?
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PMolkenthin
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:26:00 -
[809]
Just to summarise this thread (and the IAC/ISS contract) from my own perspective:
Fact: Everyone had lots of pvp. IAC shot stuff, ISS shot stuff, LV, Veto, and FIX all shot stuff, and of course we shot stuff. Summary: A good time was had by all
Fact: The forum warriors had the chance to spend their evenings making posts while everyone else was having a good time (see above) Summary: A good time was had by the forum warriors.
Fact: People made a lot of negative comments about IAC, ISS, MC and pretty much most parties involved, in this thread. Summary: Theres a lot of negativity in EVE atm, despite the two above points, and the time of year!
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HeadWar
Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:37:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Butter Dog * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away.
Ahhh, the master tactician has spoken. "AAA can only log out in one of them." Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner of this thread. "AAA can only log out in one of them." I mean, with an analysis of the situation like that, it's clear that the MC are cowards. After all, AAA can only log out in one system, and thus they don't pose any kind of threat in an operation to take two outposts.
You hear that AAA? You suck! You can only log out in one system! Hah!
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Shadow Mancer
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:40:00 -
[811]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Dianabolic Amusingly whilst BD is wailing at the decision not to engage the aaa capital fleet and siege a pos, apparently motivated by MC not wanting to lose because it's bad for the image.
So like, what if they had sieged, and won? And killed a load of aAa battleships? How would that look on the resumT? Hell, how would the ATTEMPT look on the resumT?
It would take brass balls of steel and only add to the reputation, I reckon.
Yet they still didn't make the call.
Go figure, maybe the odds were really THAT BAD.
This is it!
Even if it wasnt on that particular day, we SHOULD have engaged AAA. Yes, they are good. Yes, they are fearsome.
But my God, what a fantastic scrap it would have been.
Not that we'll ever know because everyone lacks the nads to take them on.
U wanted fame? u wanted to be remembered as someone who FC-ed ISS fleet against fearsome AAA? I'll give u an advice, evemail Scooter1 of Roadkill and ask him how he did lead our small Alliance to stand up against mighty D2 and how we got to keep our station. He will teach u how to do it man, and one thing i'm sure after his real FC lessons u'll stop crying on public forums too. See ya Always smacking in local near you |
LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:10:00 -
[812]
Edited by: LoxyRider on 31/12/2006 13:13:19 The allegations against MC are nothing new; we fake contracts, we are scared, we blob, etc... welcome to the forums itĘs nothing new. You go around shouting "facts" everywhere when in reality itĘs just your opinion. The pm from Count was from the early morning after AAA arrived and if I were in his position when my high negotiation position, war momentum and wallet were all about to take a hit I would be tired and annoyed now. I'd bet every isk in my wallet Count is kicking himself for a mail he didn't really mean.
But then it still doesn't matter (to the MC at least, not going to touch iss/count's reputation here). We got paid for f4r, that's a contract, while we would have liked to go on to the other systems for more money that night it was a no no. AAA didn't disappear over night and this was a couple days before Christmas, the MC have been on break for the past week and a bit enjoying Christmas with our goal of taking F4R complete.
So like I said your nothing but the usual idiot trying to discredit an alliance/corp with his opinions which he demands everyone recognise as world changing facts.
Now for fun lets look at Butter Dogs performance in this war.
Start of the war, Butter is not in ISS but has been in the past and so sticks up for them on the forums proclaiming the coming death of IAC all while comfortable on the sidelines. He gets some stick on the forums for this, why if heĘs such a supporter and so comfortable in the thought of ISS winning does he not join them and do his bit.
So the on the 13th at 22:01 he joins ISS, let me just explain why that date is a bit funny. On the 10th war was declared, and for two days IAC roam ISS space, no sign of butter dog. On the evening of the 12th MC are hired and jump in and put down our pos for all to see and everything changes in the war. And lo and behold the next night on the 13th Butter Dog joins us. He must have thought ISS still needed help perhaps?
So the week goes well, we are joined by LV and yes it went all to plan, some long nights full of dread ops and we take control of the F4R, Butter Dog was obviously doing his bit for his friends in ISS! But then the 21st, F4R is done, while we were hoping to carry on into JBY AAA show up and throw a spanner in the works. That nights op is called off which I don't think anyone disagrees with that, even Butter.
So then we have a stalemate, the next few days Christmas comes, MC relaxes, the war losses all momentum. Thank god Butter Dog is still around to do... well I'm not sure you'll have to ask him, I didn't notice him rally the troops to take down the so called invincible AAA anyhow.
Cut to the 28th, MC are done and we begin to pull out. Oh dear looks like the war may be a little harder then expected. What will Butter Dog do! Without MC and friends about it looks like he may actually have to fight and face loosing! But he only joined when all the odds were against IAC and he wanted to back up his forum antics! Ohnoes!
But lucky for him a mail was on his way. An ex ISSN LEADER, and in his words "Old friend and colleague" mailed him about his latest forum posts daring to suggest they were not helpful and said the dreaded "stfu". Obviously rather then this being from an old friend it was from the whole MC! He had his reason to leave! Yay!
So to the forums, the 29th, he goes claiming "The MC wont stop ordering him about". Spouting all sorts of drivel which makes up most of this forum anyway. And his brave honourable self declares that he refuses to work with the MC anymore and will therefore leave. How convenient again that the day after the MC starts to leave (and therefore Butter Dog wouldn't be working with us in anycase) and that the war suddenly looks like a challenge for ISS that poor Butter Dog is forced to leave under moral grounds.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:10:00 -
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To sum it up a timeline for you.
10th IAC declare war Butter Dog supports ISS on the forums and is encouraged to actually do something about it.
12th MC are contracted and jump into F4R in the evening.
13th 22:01 at night Butter Dog joins ISS after seeing MC and friends arrive and being sure of a smooth ride, +10 points to his forum status.
21st Things take a bump with AAA, the op that night is cancelled, things are put on hold over Christmas.
28th MC are back from Christmas, nothing has happened during the week and we have our money for F4R so we begin to pull out.
29th Butter Dog now realising heĘs being left behind to actually fight uses a mail from an old friend as an excuse to blame the MC for everything. Decides that he cant stay in the ISS because he just has to bring these things to public.
So in conclusion, we have someone who smacked about the war on the forums, was in a position when he would really have to get stuck in himself to not loose face but waits for three days until its clear ISS have brought in help and that it should go smoothly until he joins. And then when he is faced with the prospect of being stuck in ISS and a long war makes an excuse to leave ISS and claim to be a moral hero.
Well done sir! Not only have you proven YOURSELF to be a complete coward, you have caused severe damage to the alliance you apparently cared about, severe damage to the leader of that alliance that you called a friend because you put him in a situation where he had no choice and severe damage between ISS and MC which puts ISS in a bit of trouble if the next time they need our help we decide its not worth the hassle.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:29:00 -
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I have a question about our first contract on IAC - Butter said he got that information from Count. Ummm... why would Count T know who the client was? I didn't tell him. The number of people who know this information, including the client, can be counted on one hand.
Count and I did speak more than once about the possible fate of the IAC stations at the time, due to their close proximity, but that's it. -
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MaidMarion
FarCry Inc Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 31/12/2006 11:17:41 I'll leave you with a quick thread recap to flame about while I'm out partying for a few days, bascially my main claims and what the result is;
* MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop
Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to....
* MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away.
* ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract
Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with.
* MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights
Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges.
* There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract
Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them.
And that sums it up pretty well I think.
And don't forget, I only revealed my source for a couple of those points because he decided to come on this thread and lie about me. That blew up in his face pretty good.
Oh... but according to MC, I'm the one who is discredited
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
First, these are my opinions, not those of Imperium
BD :MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop
So what, MC is a merc corp who work on very detailed plan. If something big enough comes into the picture to change the outcome of that plan - its time for a new plan. They dont make money by suiciding cap fleets.
BD : * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS
So you say - maybe there was contract for one with option for others ? hence only the payment of the first system.
BD: * ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract
No - that was one mans opinion as to why MC didnt suicide a fleet - someone who probably knows little of pvp. Think ill take Seleene as an FC over you or count.
BD : * MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights
However you percieve it - MC is a business entity, they are there to make money, and they are the best at what they do. Part of their business plan is (tada) PROMOTION !!! Yes ! a business CAN have an image !! Thank you for pointing out the obvious. (and making it sound like some back room conspiracy)
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene I have a question about our first contract on IAC - Butter said he got that information from Count. Ummm... why would Count T know who the client was? I didn't tell him. The number of people who know this information, including the client, can be counted on one hand.
Count and I did speak more than once about the possible fate of the IAC stations at the time, due to their close proximity, but that's it.
Seleene didn't tell the MC so why would he tell Count who it was or if it was fake. If the contract was fake then why would we not just say we're going on a road trip, what would be the motivation to attack IAC in the first place even, ships maybe for fun but not cap ops. Finally if that contract was fake why would KIA get paid? That would be going to the extreme wouldn't it when we could have just said we're off on a road trip, I mean nothing against the 'rules' doing that is it.
Saying mercs do fake contracts is an easy thing as mercs either have to break their clients confidentiality or say nothing. One might as well claim that no mercs take contracts when a client doesn't say they were hired.
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:40:00 -
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I'll join in again and try to sum up.
Butter you began your tirade against MC by stating that you knew unpleasant facts about them backed up by hard evidence.
The only "hard evidence" you produced was the now famous PM which only proves that Count was unhappy with the fact that MC refused to suicide their dread fleet. That referred to one night not the whole contract.
On the unpaid contracts subject (I'll remind you again, you originally said there were several but have since reduced it to one) you also produced some hearsay based on Count telling you something that someone had told him.
As I said in an earlier post hearsay is considered inadmissible in most courts of law, so it's not a stalemate it simply does not exist. You saying "I named my source...." doesn't mean he actually said it.
I also mentioned earlier that KIA was involved in that first IAC contract and was paid, most likely by the same client, which would tend to support MC's claim.
Your promised hard evidence has turned out to be speculation based on your own very biased opinion.
It's quite pathetic really. Your reputation has gone along with any credibility you might have had. Nobody that has carefully read this thread will ever trust you with any information that could be considered remotely sensitive.
What's even sadder is that it all happened because you threw a tantrum.
Good luck in finding a new home and happy new year.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:47:00 -
[818]
I think a little civility is in order. The Mercenary Coalition performed splendidly. That their employer saw fit to turn on them in the middle of the campaign is unfortunate, but as far as my (very very accurate) opinion is concerned, the MC did everything that was expected of them.
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I think a little civility is in order. The Mercenary Coalition performed splendidly. That their employer saw fit to turn on them in the middle of the campaign is unfortunate, but as far as my (very very accurate) opinion is concerned, the MC did everything that was expected of them.
Istvaan, every time you post here, there's the sound of a million tinfoil hats being rustled in the breeze.
It's great, I love it
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Xander Magnus
Caldari Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:58:00 -
[820]
Yes ladies and gentleman, the truth is out... BD cannot be trusted and backstabbed his alliance, and Count is a human being!
Come on guys, we all vent our irritations sometimes to the people nearest to us. So what if Count had to vent some steam after a meeting about the war. He didn't do it publicly and after he had some time to cool down and realize he isn't a military mastermind he decided it wasn't that bad after all. I bet Seleene isn't happy with Count all of the time as well, so what if she PM's a friend in MC about it? They're businesspartners, not friends. It doesn't make Count untrustworthy, it simply makes him a human being. His post was a political view of the situation and in his function as chairman, the PM was the person that eats his dinner while talking to his family.
It does however show that you cannot share your personal views with Butter Dog, because when the time comes and things heat up he'll use it if he thinks he is justified. Well, there is no justification for telling the world something that was told to you in trust, not even when you part ways. And Count's post certainly didn't justify breaking that trust, no matter how someone would like it to be so he can tell the world his little secret.
And like always people are grabbing this incident to tell ISS will not survive this, I find that kind of hard to believe. They've survived much worse slander on the eve-o forums, and like I said, it's just business for them. It's still one of the few alliances you can trust making a deal with, this thread hasn't proven otherwise.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 31/12/2006 14:06:14 Look. Page 30.
Wheee, I feel special.
Is this better than the ASCN/BoB threads got in the pagecount?
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mudders
Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:06:00 -
[822]
I hear there are plans to make a movie about the thread regarding the current conflict.
Prohibition 2: The Wrath of Butters
/Arnie accent - 'This time its personal'
o7 iac/sod
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Azzaa
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:07:00 -
[823]
its ok mc we still love ya
My little message to butter dog
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:07:00 -
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This is getting out of hand guys, you all need to cool off tbh.
I don't really care for the outcome of this whole peen swinging contest but lets lay down some hard line facts from one of the guys who was sat watching, and took part in the organisation that took F4R for ISS. As simple as possible.
I was contacted by Count of ISS for our corp to act as a raiding party in Catch during the siege of F4R and to assist support of ISS and MC capital ships where needed.
The deal was that the forces allied for this contract would push into F4R and combined capital forces from ISS and MC would start dropping towers and replacing them with ISS towers, removal of further outposts from IAC was dependant on the first operation's success, and further payment to MC for the risk to their capital fleet. I know this because we were intended to be there as support. I can also confirm that while Veto was being paid weekly for our service, MC was being paid per system that lit up on the map for ISS.
We jumped the gun, ISS were informed and it was decided to drop an MC tower at an available moon in the system (5-1) to act as a staging point. For the first 36 hours of the contract, without having been paid yet, Veto flew alongside MC as a support group, with ISS still neutral.
Bizzarely enough ISS were still shooting at us, regardless of the fact that we were contracted by them and assisting them. I personally spent THIRTY SIX HOURS in ZXIC attempting to get docking rights from ISS after repeated attacks by their members left me with 4% structure on my Taranis ( ) several ISS pilots lost ships and pods to our members and MC fighers in our control, as self defense, with one of our pilots also losing a ship and pod.
From then on the system was attacked and the first few towers reinforced, by the hands of ISS and MC while we assisted smaller MC forces and ISSN in locking down the stargates in the system and generally patrolling the area. IAC responded by taking a shot at breaking our gatecamps up, some awesome fights were had, and I can say IAC have huge nuts.
After a while, LV showed up with their big fluffy toy, as well as FIX, unpaid and here basically to assist in the fun. AAA also made an appearence, rallying in support of IAC and forming up in JBY to protect IAC assets there. Fair move, nicely played.
After a problem with TQ recognising ISS sovreignty in F4R, we shot up the station and ISS claimed it.
At this point, this is where the stories start to differ. MC and ourselves had sucessfully assisted ISS in taking F4R, as contracted by ISS. LV and FIX arrival was voluntary, but a welcome sight in my eyes.
Christmas arrived and the action wound down, Veto's second week's payment was made 4 days late, on Christmas Eve after repeated attempts to contact ISS management. Despite this we continued to fight. We waited to see what was going to happen, no orders were given, so our client was contacted and we were asked to patrol with an NBSI policy to keep traffic regulated in the area, as capital ships ops were on hold.
ISS put a hold on capital ship operations to speak to IAC with regards to a diplomatic solution.
Talks appeared to fail after several days (we were not informed of the outcome by ISS), and after no new issue of orders, coupled with the fact our third week payment was late by 36 hours, I pulled the plug on Veto's part in the war as per out contracting charter and walked away to regroup the corp in Sendaya for the trip home. (29th Dec)
Shortly after that, I spoke to MC who were also in the process of pulling out due to reasons of their own, catalysed by the fact that ISS were given six hours to form up a fleet in assistance of removal of the MC tower from moon 5-1 in F4R. They failed to do so, and IAC gained a foothold in F4R once more due to poor organisation.
That's about it really, Everyone hired did what they were paid to.
Not once did I hear anyone say all 3 outposts were our objective.
Cold. Hard. Fact.
VETO FOR HIRE
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lowa on 31/12/2006 14:12:13
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I think a little civility is in order. The Mercenary Coalition performed splendidly. That their employer saw fit to turn on them in the middle of the campaign is unfortunate, but as far as my (very very accurate) opinion is concerned, the MC did everything that was expected of them.
I always get this tingely-icy-feel when you post. Strange thing that is. Its like the cold breath of impending doom blowing through the thread... *shivers*
Edit: Verone, thank you.
Regards, Lowa ps. Well, tbh, I just want this thread to pass into 30p!
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Static Ga'lraith
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Not once did I hear anyone say all 3 outposts were our objective.
Cold. Hard. Fact.
Verowned. ----------------
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:13:00 -
[827]
Yeah, I know that cold breath of impending doom is a problem. I should stop eating Altoids.
Maybe switch to cinnamon flavor.
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Some Character
Has an opinion that he would like to tell EVERYONE
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:27:00 -
[828]
Originally by: mudders I hear there are plans to make a movie about the thread regarding the current conflict.
Prohibition 2: The Wrath of Butters
/Arnie accent - 'This time its personal'
o7 iac/sod
You're late
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:49:00 -
[829]
Originally by: Seleene I have a question about our first contract on IAC - Butter said he got that information from Count. Ummm... why would Count T know who the client was? I didn't tell him. The number of people who know this information, including the client, can be counted on one hand.
Count and I did speak more than once about the possible fate of the IAC stations at the time, due to their close proximity, but that's it.
This sounds true enough. I know at the time there was talk of buying an IAC outpost from the MC (we were red at the time), so ISS would naturally have been contacted over it as well _
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:54:00 -
[830]
ok I must say that this thread has gone beyond legendary.
honestly it has!
oh and of course I must put here the obligatory "posting in a legendary thread", altho the title of "super-legendary thread" is more appealing. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:06:00 -
[831]
Edited by: Gutsani on 31/12/2006 15:10:03 Edited by: Gutsani on 31/12/2006 15:08:34 Statistics
Since the creation of this thread, an average of 13 post per hour were made. A total of 58496 people readed this thread. Yes YOU are one of them!
This equals to one post each ~5 minutes!
pph: 13 vph: 860
Next calculation is words per post, anyone wanna help? Then times derailed. Then posts by forum warriors. Chribba can prolly make a nice script for this all?
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:10:00 -
[832]
Originally by: Gutsani Edited by: Gutsani on 31/12/2006 15:08:34 Statistics
Since the creation of this thread, an average of 13 post per hour were made. A total of 58496 people readed this thread. Yes YOU are one of them!
This equals to one post each ~5 minutes!
pph: 13 vph: 860
Next calculation is words per post, anyone wanna help? Then times derailed. Then posts by forum warriors.
pph = posts per hour. vph = views per hour.
i'm pretty sure my last 4-5 posts have been defending my title "winner of the thread"
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Straith
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:15:00 -
[833]
Originally by: nickky01
i'm pretty sure my last 4-5 posts have been defending my title "winner of the thread"
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:16:00 -
[834]
Originally by: nickky01
i'm pretty sure my last 4-5 posts have been defending my title "winner of the thread"
you can't be the winner.... the winner is elchief for starting this thread
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:21:00 -
[835]
Originally by: Straith
Originally by: nickky01
i'm pretty sure my last 4-5 posts have been defending my title "winner of the thread"
LOL
yay i won \o/
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:48:00 -
[836]
cheif, for the love of god ask the mods to lock this thread
Then we can continue smacking around ISS without having to alt-tab while camping their stations to see if anyone has posted replies.
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:12:00 -
[837]
i support no lock!!!! let the count reply first "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us" |
Belid Hagen
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:34:00 -
[838]
For the love of.... well... EVE
Let this thread die
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HeadWar
Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:07:00 -
[839]
Woah. Someone's been a bit heavyhanded with the moderation I think. Last I looked, there was 30 pages here, and one rather amusing post with statistics of posts per hour and views per hour. Where did they go?
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:09:00 -
[840]
yeah, has this forum been trimmed? _
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:18:00 -
[841]
Edited by: Seleene on 31/12/2006 17:20:08
Originally by: DHB FooFighter cheif, for the love of god ask the mods to lock this thread
Oh, hell no!
For one thing, this is a thread for the ages. Before it gets closed, I would like to see:
Count T reply.
Butter Dog explain why / how Count knew that I faked the first IAC contract seeing as how Count could not have been in possession of that information.
Lastly, I really need Butter to come back and explain away all of Verone's obvious lies about this most recent job.
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jyrgen jonson
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:23:00 -
[842]
The funny thing is that Count T said in this thread that ISS DINDT WANT TO ENGAGE AAA AND TOLD MC/FIX/LV TO STAND DOWN.
But in the PM to ButterDog he whines about MC being cowards.
If you dont believe me read the 29 pages (I have) or maybe Nez can find the quotes, he seems to know this thred preetty well
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:25:00 -
[843]
Originally by: HeadWar Woah. Someone's been a bit heavyhanded with the moderation I think. Last I looked, there was 30 pages here, and one rather amusing post with statistics of posts per hour and views per hour. Where did they go?
ONE- Thou shalt not discuss moderation. TWO- Stats are offtopic, and have nothing to do with the OP. THREE- spamming a thread with *woohoo I'm on page 30 Ma!* are also offtopic- and are being deleted.
If you have any questions, email us at [email protected]. Further posts of the above type, along with flaming, trolling etc will be warned.
forum rules
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:28:00 -
[844]
Originally by: Tirg
Originally by: HeadWar Woah. Someone's been a bit heavyhanded with the moderation I think. Last I looked, there was 30 pages here, and one rather amusing post with statistics of posts per hour and views per hour. Where did they go?
ONE- Thou shalt not discuss moderation. TWO- Stats are offtopic, and have nothing to do with the OP. THREE- spamming a thread with *woohoo I'm on page 30 Ma!* are also offtopic- and are being deleted.
If you have any questions, email us at [email protected]. Further posts of the above type, along with flaming, trolling etc will be warned.
you're just helping us reach 30 again :) _
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Hello again!
just a quick announcement
my lonely hearts post is up
bye!
PS... and no, seleene, you can't have me
Oh, this is classic. This rocks. BD, you need to add a link to this thread in your recruitment post. After reading it, IĘm sure you will have EVERYBODY in EVE trying to recruit you. Really. LetĘs sum this up about you (And IĘm sorry, but you canĘt say this stuff in recruitment forums).
BD loved ISS. He was an ex-member and would talk on their behave on the forums, looking out for their interests even when he was no longer in ISS. (I would love to hear the whole story someday from ISS side as to why he left the 1st time. IĘm sure it would be as entertaining as this thread).
When ppl called him out on his association with ISS or any other subject that heĘs an expert in, he would claim that he has nothing to do with ISS. Some ISS members even posted that BD is not a member and does not speak for them.
He continued to forum smack everybody in sight without prejudice, yet admitting that heĘs no general and has done nothing in EVE. Basically just another forum warrior, like so many others here that think their opinion matters because they got an A in English, yet they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
So now with IAC and ISS heading for conflict, he rejoins his beloved alliance and steps up to the plat with his expert opinions and his combat expertise. What does he do? Within 2 weeks he throws his CEO under a bus, destroys the relationship between ISS and basically any mercs or allies that would otherwise help ISS, upsets people that actually can take out ISS (It would be funny if IAC would hire MC for the very same job that MC did for ISS. MC most likely would do that job for free), and then he leaves ISS to the dogs while he continues to spew insults on the forums.
Yup, if IĘm an recruiter in EVE, this is the guy I want in my corp. QD, please get this guy in to DICE. I think we found our counter to Aneu, only dumber. Or maybe D2 can let him in. I hear he thinks highly of D2 like he does of ISS and thinks that D2 will wipe the floor with BoB. IĘm sure he would be a huge help to D2 in doing that.
I have to admit. This has been the best thread on these forums in a long time and we have BD to thank for it. You are right BD. You win this thread hands down. Happy New Year.
The truth will set you free
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:41:00 -
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noes you nerfed the thread length, bad mod *spanks* thats a very bad mod
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:47:00 -
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This thread has brought much joy to the MC.
We have nothing to explain to anyone but our employers, at the time of employment. The savvy knows what we are worth and are prepared to pay it. The bottom line is we get results.
Utter Dog clearly has personal problems that seem to arise to him delusions of adequacy.
Would we have gone toe to toe with AAA? Probably but not without a relegation of the contract, a plan and an objective. None of these were forthcoming, am I surprised at the time count was upset with the momentum being lost, not at all. Count is one of the best business leaders in the game, that does not automatically require him to know how to effectively execute a military operation, thatĘs why ISS has hired us on multiple occasions.
The first objective was met, and as a long-standing member of MC, I would have lobby for a refund to the client should an agreed objective not be met.
I have respect for ISS, IAC and its allies on both sides, the only person to show his true colours and act like a spoiled stepchild here has been Utter Dog.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:15:00 -
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No rule on this forum states that posts need to be on-topic.
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:30:00 -
[849]
Originally by: GoGo Yubari No rule on this forum states that posts need to be on-topic.
Yes, yes they do. This is what the warning looks like: "Off-topic posting, particularly about non-Eve related subjects, or content not in context with the forum or thread you are posting in - is not permitted on the forum. Continuing to disregard the guidelines may result in the suspension or cancellation of your posting privileges."
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Demens Animus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:50:00 -
[850]
Originally by: Witch Doctor
A thought struck him like a diamond bullet. Maybe this was the plan ... He pulled up his comms list and fired off a cached communication. "Seleene - I know you are busy, but here is some food for thought. Perhaps this is the work of Guiding Hand Social Club. Observe:" "1. IAC was formerly a relatively benign industrial alliance who ran into trouble from CDC and Curse Coalition." "2. GH-SC is well-known for their abilities in infiltrating and dismantling an organization, a counterpart mercenary to our military capabilities." "3. Several pilots with close ties to GH-SC operatives - Tyrrax and Hamish come to mind - join IAC to help bolster their fighting force." "4. These members rapidly rise to leadership positions and recast the alliance as an aggressive military force, presumably 'for their own good'." "5. IAC adopts a provocative tone with ISS, the largest regional power with obvious economic ties to larger military forces." "6. Coincidentally, Priory and SoD adopt a similarly provocative tone, either independently or from GH-SC manipulation." "7. IAC and SoD open aggressions, leaving open the possibility that they will take ISS stations in diplomatic channels but not openly stating they will, presumably as a nod to the IAC rank and file." "8. ISS has no choice but to declare an all-out territory war and calls in an array of allies and mercenaries."
"Now we have IAC leadership professing that this is all part of the plan and, as we have seen from intel, attempting to mollify the masses without putting up much of a fight. It is not long, however, until they are past the point of no return. What kind of defense plan could this be?" "But what if there is no defense plan at all? What if the plan all along is for IAC to lose the outposts and break the alliance? It is right in line with their usual contracts, and they would certainly seem to be doing a good job of it. I can't help but wonder if the lower ranks in IAC are really aware of what has been communicated and done on their behalf and if this is not some master GH-SC plan after all."
Witch Doctor paused briefly, contemplating the consequences, and continued.
"I may be way off base, but this is something for ISS to consider when we discuss the exit strategy and the long-term plans for the outposts.
Now, Witch Doctor may be on to something here...
However, if IAC falls, whats lost.. 3 Outposts, and a thousand people or so displaced. If ISS was to fall to a GH-SC plan, whats lost? The First 0.0 IPO Alliance, quite a few ISS Outposts, thousands displaced, the entire break-down of the IPO Shareholder economy and a very very good headline.
If I had stock in ISS, I'd start selling like mad, but thats me
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Tovarishch
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:55:00 -
[851]
Originally by: Lowa Edited by: Lowa on 31/12/2006 14:12:13
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I think a little civility is in order. The Mercenary Coalition performed splendidly. That their employer saw fit to turn on them in the middle of the campaign is unfortunate, but as far as my (very very accurate) opinion is concerned, the MC did everything that was expected of them.
I always get this tingely-icy-feel when you post. Strange thing that is. Its like the cold breath of impending doom blowing through the thread... *shivers*
That's not the breath of impending doom that you smell, Lowa. That's the result of the chicken tikka that he ate for lunch.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:02:00 -
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Quote: Then we can continue smacking around ISS without having to alt-tab while camping their stations to see if anyone has posted replies
Continue to camp on the forums IAC while you lose your Outposts ................... LMAO @ DHB ForumFighter
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Jenna Sojik
Riggers of War
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor
"Seleene - I know you are busy, but here is some food for thought. Perhaps this is the work of Guiding Hand Social Club. Observe:" "1. IAC was formerly a relatively benign industrial alliance who ran into trouble from CDC and Curse Coalition." "2. GH-SC is well-known for their abilities in infiltrating and dismantling an organization, a counterpart mercenary to our military capabilities." "3. Several pilots with close ties to GH-SC operatives - Tyrrax and Hamish come to mind - join IAC to help bolster their fighting force." "4. These members rapidly rise to leadership positions and recast the alliance as an aggressive military force, presumably 'for their own good'." "5. IAC adopts a provocative tone with ISS, the largest regional power with obvious economic ties to larger military forces." "6. Coincidentally, Priory and SoD adopt a similarly provocative tone, either independently or from GH-SC manipulation." "7. IAC and SoD open aggressions, leaving open the possibility that they will take ISS stations in diplomatic channels but not openly stating they will, presumably as a nod to the IAC rank and file." "8. ISS has no choice but to declare an all-out territory war and calls in an array of allies and mercenaries."
"Now we have IAC leadership professing that this is all part of the plan and, as we have seen from intel, attempting to mollify the masses without putting up much of a fight. It is not long, however, until they are past the point of no return. What kind of defense plan could this be?" "But what if there is no defense plan at all? What if the plan all along is for IAC to lose the outposts and break the alliance? It is right in line with their usual contracts, and they would certainly seem to be doing a good job of it. I can't help but wonder if the lower ranks in IAC are really aware of what has been communicated and done on their behalf and if this is not some master GH-SC plan after all."
Witch Doctor paused briefly, contemplating the consequences, and continued.
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"Now wouldn't that be something ..."
Witch Doctor may be on to something here, but just had the wrong target:
GH-SC may want to destroy IAC, but what would that get them, 3 Outposts ruined, a thousand or so people displaced, and a low-brow industrial Alliance broken.
If ISS was the target, they would lose quite a few Outposts, a few thousand 'industrial' players lost in dangerous 0.0 space without the infastructure of ISS, and the 300 Billion isk IPO project would become worthless, not to mention the other already established IPO shares that they've sold over the past year(s). And as well all know, GH-SC is a fan for big headlines... IAC isn't a big headline, but their neighbors are
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:13:00 -
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Quote: If ISS was the target, they would lose quite a few Outposts, a few thousand 'industrial' players lost in dangerous 0.0 space without the infastructure of ISS, and the 300 Billion isk IPO project would become worthless, not to mention the other already established IPO shares that they've sold over the past year(s). And as well all know, GH-SC is a fan for big headlines... IAC isn't a big headline, but their neighbors are
And about 70% of Eve protecting their invtestments ...
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I think a little civility is in order. The Mercenary Coalition performed splendidly. That their employer saw fit to turn on them in the middle of the campaign is unfortunate, but as far as my (very very accurate) opinion is concerned, the MC did everything that was expected of them.
As public history has it, your modus operandi is to gain the confidence of an alliance, get close, and then backstab.
Speaking out this way simply draws attention to the fact that -- at present -- you seem to be helping IAC.
Or are you?...
"Former" members of your corp are directors in IAC. How sure is IAC that ISS is their real target?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:20:00 -
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Well I for one am impressed that this has reached page 26 and is still a reall disscussion.
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Jenna Sojik
Riggers of War
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: If ISS was the target, they would lose quite a few Outposts, a few thousand 'industrial' players lost in dangerous 0.0 space without the infastructure of ISS, and the 300 Billion isk IPO project would become worthless, not to mention the other already established IPO shares that they've sold over the past year(s). And as well all know, GH-SC is a fan for big headlines... IAC isn't a big headline, but their neighbors are
And about 70% of Eve protecting their invtestments ...
I'm not claiming to be a super thief, so I'm not exactly sure how this works, but if an Alliance is dismantled from the inside, what is 70% of the Eve Community protecting its investments going to do? As far as I'm aware CCP doesn't put insurance on isk investments in stocks. (No FDIC in EVE)
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Caol
The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 22:41:00 -
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It is a pity that none of the more subtle questions that were and were not raised in this thread were not answered.
Originally by: Cookie Snatcher ..if there was a learning skill in real life you would have it at lvl 0.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tirg
Originally by: HeadWar Woah. Someone's been a bit heavyhanded with the moderation I think. Last I looked, there was 30 pages here, and one rather amusing post with statistics of posts per hour and views per hour. Where did they go?
ONE- Thou shalt not discuss moderation. TWO- Stats are offtopic, and have nothing to do with the OP. THREE- spamming a thread with *woohoo I'm on page 30 Ma!* are also offtopic- and are being deleted.
If you have any questions, email us at [email protected]. Further posts of the above type, along with flaming, trolling etc will be warned.
One- Thou shall not use that same excuse to answer every question mods dont want to answer
Two- As this was meant to be about ISS/IAC Surely talking about the MC is off topic in its own right?
Three- I'll let you have that one as its Christmas.
Fourth- Quite honestly if you are going to cut 7 pages out you might as well just locked the thread.
Fith- Happy New Year everyone
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:03:00 -
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after reading some post i remember a foto from Pamplona ( spain ) so i change it a bit Linkage
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Kalmanaka
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:16:00 -
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In the USA, when you are arrested you are given a legal warning.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you."
That second sentance is excruciatingly important. That is your warning that no matter what you say, no matter how much truth is in it, no matter how right or wrong you are, your words will be turned against you and you will suffer for them. It doesn't matter if you are innocent. It doesn't matter if you are not in the wrong. All that matters is that you were told and you now have the knowledge that opening your mouth WILL cause you and those around you harm.
Because of this, proclaiming that you're right, providing proof or evidence (like screen shots) that you're telling the truth, and presenting facts that cannot be disputed do not help your case. They only make it worse. The more you scream and shout that you're right and everyone else is wrong, the more ammo people have against you.
Sometimes we should heed that warning more often than we do. I am of the opinion that had the above warning been heeded, 99% of all the problems expressed in this thread and 99% of the problems between my Alliance and others would not exist.
-Kalmanaka, lowly grunt in TGRADS/ISS
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
One- Thou shall not use that same excuse to answer every question mods dont want to answer
Two- As this was meant to be about ISS/IAC Surely talking about the MC is off topic in its own right?
Three- I'll let you have that one as its Christmas.
Fourth- Quite honestly if you are going to cut 7 pages out you might as well just locked the thread.
Fith- Happy New Year everyone
Sorry, but this must be one of the times i have to public agree with MC .. you removed 1/3th of what was supposed to be "the greatest thread ever". And there is a rule to not discuss moderation actions, but i pay and i have a voice which i use right now to say it was a damn stoupid action!
Alot of flaming happened here, yes yes, but it was all into proportion and into context. Djeezes off-topic posts, please .. the thread got derailed at page 3 by me, cut everything after that then plz ... A lock would have been into place because people started to go out of character, but not this.
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General Zho
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:41:00 -
[863]
Originally by: Jenna Sojik
Originally by: Witch Doctor
"Seleene - I know you are busy, but here is some food for thought. Perhaps this is the work of Guiding Hand Social Club. Observe:" "1. IAC was formerly a relatively benign industrial alliance who ran into trouble from CDC and Curse Coalition." "2. GH-SC is well-known for their abilities in infiltrating and dismantling an organization, a counterpart mercenary to our military capabilities." "3. Several pilots with close ties to GH-SC operatives - Tyrrax and Hamish come to mind - join IAC to help bolster their fighting force." "4. These members rapidly rise to leadership positions and recast the alliance as an aggressive military force, presumably 'for their own good'." "5. IAC adopts a provocative tone with ISS, the largest regional power with obvious economic ties to larger military forces." "6. Coincidentally, Priory and SoD adopt a similarly provocative tone, either independently or from GH-SC manipulation." "7. IAC and SoD open aggressions, leaving open the possibility that they will take ISS stations in diplomatic channels but not openly stating they will, presumably as a nod to the IAC rank and file." "8. ISS has no choice but to declare an all-out territory war and calls in an array of allies and mercenaries."
"Now we have IAC leadership professing that this is all part of the plan and, as we have seen from intel, attempting to mollify the masses without putting up much of a fight. It is not long, however, until they are past the point of no return. What kind of defense plan could this be?" "But what if there is no defense plan at all? What if the plan all along is for IAC to lose the outposts and break the alliance? It is right in line with their usual contracts, and they would certainly seem to be doing a good job of it. I can't help but wonder if the lower ranks in IAC are really aware of what has been communicated and done on their behalf and if this is not some master GH-SC plan after all."
Witch Doctor paused briefly, contemplating the consequences, and continued.
...
"Now wouldn't that be something ..."
Witch Doctor may be on to something here, but just had the wrong target:
GH-SC may want to destroy IAC, but what would that get them, 3 Outposts ruined, a thousand or so people displaced, and a low-brow industrial Alliance broken.
If ISS was the target, they would lose quite a few Outposts, a few thousand 'industrial' players lost in dangerous 0.0 space without the infastructure of ISS, and the 300 Billion isk IPO project would become worthless, not to mention the other already established IPO shares that they've sold over the past year(s). And as well all know, GH-SC is a fan for big headlines... IAC isn't a big headline, but their neighbors are
I love a good conspiracy theory!
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:43:00 -
[864]
Edited by: War Bear on 31/12/2006 23:43:54 I would have rather seen a lock without moderation than this. This was one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a long time and it was just gutted. Truely, truely a shame. Following the letter of the law instead of letting events unfold in this case is just a horrible thing to see. I should actually thank Butter Dog for pouring more gasoline on the bonfire because it was a beautiful sight.
Alas, this post will be deleted I fear and knowing the guys manning the forums today I expect to get a warning. If anyone has the full 30 pager cached I think it would be for the best to save them all and try to get them reposted for prosperity's sake.
Anyways gang, happy new years.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:54:00 -
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I am gone for 4 days and I see ISS on the brink of destruction. I think Count T should have humored me and one of the IAC VPs for 30 minutes of lack of sleep when he had the chance.
When ISS is destroyed... let it be known that Count T's sleep was worth more than that of IAC/MC/LV/FIX/Veto./AAA/U'K/SoD/FnZ/GHSC and everyone else I didn't mention.
Note to future empire builders... when you make a project that requires a lot of RL work to make happen... pencil in some time for the enemy even if you 'think' you are about to win. Because the tables can turn in a matter of hours.
Cheers to MC, they were good sports and while there will be speculation in regards to the contract, I think you can't really get any better than the service they provide.
To ISS. Well... time to pull that IPO money into your personal wallets, buy some characters off the forums, and start something new.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:57:00 -
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It's all MC's fault of bringing this topic off topic They are just trying to win the forum War Elchief started . Well I hope this threat get's a big lock onto it so we can move on.
PS.: and MC your never gonna win this froum War
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 31/12/2006 23:59:51
Originally by: Hans Roaming Seleene didn't tell the MC so why would he tell Count who it was or if it was fake.
Perhaps Seleene was simply drunk and chatting on MSN to his good friend Count and simply doesn't remember it now ?
Originally by: Verone
After a problem with TQ recognising ISS sovreignty in F4R, we shot up the station and ISS claimed it.
What no mention of our jumping 4 dreads in on your attempt to take over the station, hilariously breaking it up for a few hours ?
Quote: ISS put a hold on capital ship operations to speak to IAC with regards to a diplomatic solution.
That's one way of putting it, another is that they were incapable of proceeding with any capital ship operations due to AAA scaring all their dreads off ;P
Quote: Talks appeared to fail after several days (we were not informed of the outcome by ISS)
Maybe because there were no talks, and there still have barely been any talks, discounting a single conversation I had with Serenity Steele a week ago, which consisted of some questions about IAC's position and a "to be continued"..
Oh btw, thanks for your account Verone, interesting read !
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Tirg
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Posted - 2007.01.01 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: elchief yeah to be honest i think the original intention of this thread has long since been forgotten i think any iss/ mc / butter dog issues need to be brought up in another thread. this was originally just a update on the war type thready thingy
*click*. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected].
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MadnessWithin
Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 00:06:00 -
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Quote: I am gone for 4 days and I see ISS on the brink of destruction
Complete and utter rubbish, butter dog wrong or right was talking out of place. Whatever he says has no relavance to ISS's true strength. I know most of our members pockets are still deep are not even getting close to destruction let alone the brink of it.
To the IAC (this is from me personally and does not reflect the opinion of my alliance or corporation)
Quote: Should you choose to test our resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no bistot.
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Bacilius
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 31/12/2006 17:20:47
Originally by: DHB FooFighter cheif, for the love of god ask the mods to lock this thread
Oh, hell no!
For one thing, this is a thread for the ages. Before it gets closed, I would like to see:
Count T reply.
Butter Dog explain why / how Count "knew" that I faked the first IAC contract seeing as how Count could not have been in possession of that information.
Lastly, I really need Butter to come back and explain away all of Verone's obvious lies about this most recent job.
This thread rocks. My F5 key is worn out.
/signed
So.... given the game time we have all lost keeping track of events in this epic thread, does it not speak volumes that the central figure in this entire conflict once again sees fit to ignore those he considered and considers friends, or at least of positive standings?
To all ISS pilots and those that consider themselves so aligned, I say this to you in all seriousness...
Do not doubt that this conflict most certainly could have been avoided, not in the politics of the last few weeks, but in the events of the last twelve months. As is demonstrated once again by the deafening silence of your beloved leader, the ISS can only be cast in one of two unattractive lights... that of the arrogant capitalistic and apathetic dictatorship, its leader ignorant to the plight of the common pilot (both alliance member and neighbour alike)..
or...
a motley gathering of mislead pilots lead by a corrupt and insideous political puppetmaster that got caught playing one card too many, and is now unable and/or unwilling to address the cries of 'please explain' from those whom he has relied on to carry out his grand scheme...
As reflected in the many threads that complimented the opening sorties of this conflict, the pilots of the IAC have endured being diplomatically handled, back-stabbed and ignored on too many occasions over the last year and, regardless of the lack of diplomacy shown by leadership in the announcement of hostilities, the fact remained that every last IAC pilot wanted this opportunity to show the 'Count' that the business of ISS would always rely on the pilots and citizens that frequented his Outposts.
His contempt for the common citizen, so blatently shoved down the throats of us all in this thread in his absence, will be the one reason the remaining dedicated pilots of the ISS can take with them as the once-great entity crumbles in their face.
Count T, your days of hiding behind a flawed and insulting Charter to justify your non-chalance are over. Your isk wells are about to dry up and your empire is about to be torn down with the knowledge that your noble ideals have only ever been thrust forward in a flimsy attempt to disguise your greed and hunger for power. You have proven you and your alliance can be neither neutral nor non-political in the regions you inhabit. You have shown your ability to manipulate and deceive does have a limit, and it is right here and right now that your limit has been reached.
MC/VETO/KIA/FIX/LV and all those that have aided you in this conflict, along with all those that have eagerly opposed your fleets, now await your answer to the allegations listed above.....
As do I.
I did you the courtesy of introducing myself and making contact through your recommended avenue (PM on the ISS site) at the start of this conflict, and it is no surprise that the courtesy has not been returned to this day.
I do not expect you to have the courtesy to answer this post either.
I only hope your arrogance makes fine company on those lonely nights you look back on these events and reflect on what could have been....
Bac Diplomat IAC
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