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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Originally by: Count TaSessine
We are ready to enter peace talks with IAC. They have chosen Tyrrax as their spokesperson to us and we have talked to him, not with good results so far, admittedly, but we keep trying. We have now worked out several possible solutions to the problem which we will present to them. Stay tuned and fingers crossed for a good result. War is bad for business.
Count their will be no Peace between us. Ever.
ISS will not be suffered to live any longer.
The simple fact is, you must depend on mercs to do your dirty work, wheras we depend upon our friends, friends made in combat. Case in point, look at who KIA has been hired against by persons unknown. It's not to much to see the same happening to the rest of your "shock troops".
and as to the rest of the "stuff" in this thread.
Trax - stop posting my chat logs
BD- I <3 you.
Sel - respect to you and your alliance, and as for adrenaline rushes, divebombing a nyx to keep a pvp timer on it while avoiding 23 t2 drones is hellafun.
AAA - I <3 you more than BD! much drunkin russian war songs to be sung!
Damn, i go to sleep for once and look what happens. You sure as hell don't get this stuff out of a FPS.
Well, atleast we know that IAC planned to take over all of ISS space. You have balls to want to continue the war even though you have lost f4. If no peace agreement can be agreed on, then it's proof that IAC wanted all of ISS space to begin with.
No. Its not.
They took our space. Sorry if we can't be buddy buddy with people who steal one of our stations.
Did IAC and friends have the military ability to conquer iss space before the war started? Yes or No?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:38:00 -
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ok..
Quote: I haven't shared sensitive information with Butter Dog since about 6 months ago when we first kicked him out of ISS. If he has tried to represent my views in his various dealings with people in Eve, he has done so maliciously.
Since you insist that he has, the obvious deduction is that one of the two of your is lying.
Quote: Despite a clear agreement not to post on Eve-O, he was unable to control himself. To be honest, I don't know what drives BD to do things this way.
Again, you say your allowed to post the things you do, yet Count has a completly differant story then you do.
Quote: AAA stopped that dead in the water. We asked all our allies to stand down from that moment on because ISS have NO desire to even try to fight a top alliance like AAA.
This would lead the reader to believe that dispite your constant attacks on the MC about not engaging AAA, a topic which we have explained several pages back, several times as well... that there may have been infact more reasons that your not aware of for not attacking them with gusto.
But if I may, we said we didn't attack them, gave some reasons why, yet you still posting about it several pages later, and ironically acusing anyone else who speaks of it as flogging a dead horse.
Quote: I was annoyed with MC, he knows they sent me a downright rude evemail telling me to 'STFU' To put this in context a guy in MC who used to be in ISS mailed him privately to get him to tone it down on the forums as he thought that ISS could probably do without the Butter Dog form of PR in their quest to get help at this time.
Ok maybe not directly a lie, but one can assume that your now exagerating things way out of proportion here.
Here's a portion of some insesent ramblings with Seleene.
Quote: But you still decided that you had the right to tell what to do and not to do, and to top it all off you accused ME of being the reason AAA turned up. If you had better intel you would know exactly why they turned up.
OFC I know why they turned up! I had Evil Thug and Omeega on my TS server and spoke to them directly. As for your role in it, hell yes, I think that if you had followed the lead of 95% of the rest of your alliance that there would be a lot less animosity between IAC and ISS.
My personal favorite.
Quote: I wasnt even in F4 tonight, I'm sitting in Empire and have been all evening. I havent said a single word in local.
[20:20:51] Butter Dog > ISS would **** themselves, I have access to characters with outpost sov config rights in KDF, ZX, C3, F4, plus the ISSO wallet and ISSN wallet.... but i'm not nasty enough to do 'the deed'.
*insert killmail of Butter Dog here as well, which is deffinatly not in empire
Quote: * Count told me he liked me posting on Eve-O because he said it 'gave ISS a voice' and everyone knew I didnt officially represent the alliance.
Yet, as I've quoted before he says a completly differant thing.
Anyways, there's just a couple examples of where you've been shown to be out right lying, or simply exagerating things to the point of untruth (giving you the benifit of the doubt here.)
Now given that most of your important points have been dimissed, by both sides close to you as rubish, do you have any comment, proof, or otherwise any other reason for the general public to believe what your saying verses the word of everyone else?
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Cyberflayer
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:39:00 -
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Holy crap, this thing is still the top topic?
*facepalm*
--- Real men structure tank.
Originally by: darth solo U are just being stupid, why shouldnt the mining lvl skill give ya 5% bonus to PRJ guns per lvl?...
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 17:50:07
Originally by: Algey Butter, just because you announced in that forum that you were pulling your roles doesn't mean you were not being kicked. It just means you pulled your roles before I could get to you .
As for the rest of your posts, you have not got access to the management group, ISSN Command, or the War room.
Algey, you're a nice chap and I like you.
OF COURSE I would have been kicked after starting a forum spat with MC - thats why I removed my roles and announced my departure. You're not saying anything suprising or even unexpected.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Now given that most of your important points have been dimissed, by both sides close to you as rubish, do you have any comment, proof, or otherwise any other reason for the general public to believe what your saying verses the word of everyone else?
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
Its very weak, Lorth, and everyone can see right through it.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source, I have given a direct account of your outright refusal to engage AAA. Hell, even an ex-MC leader has come on and said pretty much exactly what I did.
Until you can sensibly address these points, you're not contributing anything to this thread apart from making yourself look like a desperate purveyor of 'damage limitation'.
Personal attacks on me only serve to make you look like you have lost the discussion. But please, carry on, I think I might be chuckling myself to sleep again tonight
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.30 17:53:00 -
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People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source,
Well for one, you havn't provided proof dispite being asked to do so several times. And the source you sited came on the forums to publically state that no such conversation ever took place.
Which is kinnda what I was getting at in my previous post. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Especially when no evidence is offered, and everyother person attached to events in question flatty dissagrees with you.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
I dunno...they fought Maelstrom, and we're tough as old boots. _
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:06:00 -
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Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Butter Dog
Please point me to a single one of my key points which have been dismissed... All I see are MC clamming up about the important issues and going on 'personal attack mode'.
I have provided proof, I have stated my source,
Well for one, you havn't provided proof dispite being asked to do so several times. And the source you sited came on the forums to publically state that no such conversation ever took place.
Which is kinnda what I was getting at in my previous post. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Especially when no evidence is offered, and everyother person attached to events in question flatty dissagrees with you.
I countered that with a DIRECT QUOTE from Count, stating, and I repeat: That you would not have engaged AAA for any price.
My points, as you seem to have convienently forgotten them, are as follows:
* Your contract was for all three outposts, you failed to complete the contract because you got too scared to do anything with AAA in the picture, even when they logged out and left the next day
* You take all the credit F4, depsite the fact it was a total CAKEWALK - and even then you contribute less than a quarter of the capitals and a tenth of the support. You don't deserve all the credit for such a blatant walk in the park, but you suck it up anyway because its all about ego and image
* You walk away from any fight that looks remotely challenging, you are fundamentally risk-averse yet claim to be somehow gung-ho and uber
* There was no contract in the first Prohibition campaign, and you walked away when the going got tougher than expected
So do carry on making a fool of yourself if you wish, but MC lost this thread when one of your ex-leaders came on here, saying exactly what I've been saying.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:16:55
Originally by: KIAEddZ Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
If you are reffering to the 'made up contract', I have stated my course, the conversation took place on Vent. There is nothing more to add.
Either he lied to me, which I don't think he would do, or Seleene lied to him.
At the end of the day, its a point amoung many. I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it, no-one is accusing you of such things though I understand why you are being protective of your fellow mercenaries.
Still, not the most unbiased chip on the block, are you. My only motivation in exposing MC for what they really are, is their attitude. I used to hold them in very high regard, and have enjoyed flying with them on many occasions.
Seeing first hand how they shy away from challenges totally changed my mind about them though.
for the record, I have respect for KIA - your contract with CVA where your loss stats were not that great, but you still posted them anyway and admitted it had been a tough fight, well that gained a lot of peoples respect for sure
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Gazmus
Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:09:00 -
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Ah interesting read beats the usual crap on this forum
Go BD beat spiral cause he is just attention seekin and hope u prove everyone wrong cause that would make for an even better read and see how its spun
Gaz
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:10:00 -
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We also fought, goons, who we fully expected to be a blobtastic challanging good time, dispite there lack of skill points. To bad they played on thier VCBee alts the whole time.
The last IAC contract wasn't so much of a cakewalk. Least with all the help they managed to recruite over the the war.
Imp/Surpm - Despite the smack thrown at them, they are not two groups known as easy carebear ganks.
RA/Goon's - Again not a group known as easy ganks allaround.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth We also fought, goons, who we fully expected to be a blobtastic challanging good time, dispite there lack of skill points. To bad they played on thier VCBee alts the whole time.
The last IAC contract wasn't so much of a cakewalk. Least with all the help they managed to recruite over the the war.
Imp/Surpm - Despite the smack thrown at them, they are not two groups known as easy carebear ganks.
RA/Goon's - Again not a group known as easy ganks allaround.
So you think fighting the Goons is a real challenge?
lol
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog .
So you think fighting the Goons is a real challenge?
lol
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
Havent you heard of smartbombs?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:16:55
Originally by: KIAEddZ Most entertaining thread for ages.
But the point still stands Butter Dog.
You have made some large claims, and Rev Incs post doesnt directly back yours up at all, despite what your saying.
Its a simple position your in.
Proof or stfu.
Screenshots, high quality high resolution ones, hosted for the community to see, or its time for you to leave this thread alone and shhhhhh. Your claims are huge, and frankly, no one belives them right now. Saying it doesnt make it true.
If you are reffering to the 'made up contract', I have stated my course, the conversation took place on Vent. There is nothing more to add.
Either he lied to me, which I don't think he would do, or Seleene lied to him.
At the end of the day, its a point amoung many. I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it, no-one is accusing you of such things though I understand why you are being protective of your fellow mercenaries.
Still, not the most unbiased chip on the block, are you. My only motivation in exposing MC for what they really are, is their attitude. I used to hold them in very high regard, and have enjoyed flying with them on many occasions.
Seeing first hand how they shy away from challenges totally changed my mind about them though.
for the record, I have respect for KIA - your contract with CVA where your loss stats were not that great, but you still posted them anyway and admitted it had been a tough fight, well that gained a lot of peoples respect for sure
Butter you sa you have private messages from Count.... detailing his dissapointment in MC etc.
So you should be able to screenshot that sort of stuff... your claims would be far more believable if you offered real evidence where you could.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 30/12/2006 16:28:02
Originally by: Butter Dog
As for me leaving, there is a post in the ISSN forum, which all ISSN members over a certain rank have access to, stating that I have removed my roles and will be leaving of my own accord as I refuse to work with MC. Perhaps someone with access to that forum will be kind enough to confirm that for you.
confirmed
YOU DID NOT WIN THE THREAD
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Lorth
I didn't say they were a challenge, I said we expected them to be because of thier vastly superiour numbers.....
Havent you heard of smartbombs?
The goons are one of THE strongest entities in the game, if you sincerely believe otherwise Butter, you are ignorant at best.
I have no dealings with the MC contract, and this statement is not in defense of them, but rather i feel its only fair to put you right.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 18:24:04
Originally by: KIAEddZ [
Butter you sa you have private messages from Count.... detailing his dissapointment in MC etc.
So you should be able to screenshot that sort of stuff... your claims would be far more believable if you offered real evidence where you could.
I've directly quoted him, he hasnt denied he wrote it. Thats really all that needs to be said.
If he denies it, which I don't expect he will, then as far as I am concerned the floodgates will open and there will be more than just that screenshot that I'll be posting.
erm... lol - can someone tell me how to take a screenshot of my desktop lol (technically clueless ftl)
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:27:00 -
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Best thing about this thread is that Butter Dog still hasn't realised that he has been played.
Gotta feel kinda sorry for him though.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:28:00 -
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Ok one by one here....
Quote: * Your contract was for all three outposts, you failed to complete the contract because you got too scared to do anything with AAA in the picture, even when they logged out and left the next day
Seleene, and Count have both posted about this, and have both come to a conclusive agreement as to what course of action was choosen because of events that took place in the war. You are the only one dissagreeing with this. And given that you were not in the 'know' according to your own allience leaders, one would have to say that things were changed because and you were not informed as to why.
Your point seems to be "MC should have done this and this" since thats your own ideas, dispite the fact that our client had differant ideas (and posted them here.) MC were never accountable to Butter Dog, and you were never involved in the desistion making processes. So all your really doing in raming your own illinformed ideas as to what we should have done down the readers throat as some deluded verstion of the truth.
Quote: * You take all the credit F4, depsite the fact it was a total CAKEWALK - and even then you contribute less than a quarter of the capitals and a tenth of the support. You don't deserve all the credit for such a blatant walk in the park, but you suck it up anyway because its all about ego and image
Yet strangly enough Count is happy with our performance. I can't find the exact numbers, which were said in this thread, and I wasn't involved in that battle. But I'll just say, the client was happy with what we did, and thats all that counts TBH.
*Hint your not the client
Quote: * There was no contract in the first Prohibition campaign, and you walked away when the going got tougher than expected
You keep trying to ram this down the thoats of the readers as though it were true. Yet the only thing you have going for you to this point is saying it again and again in the vain hope that people will believe it if they read it enough. So like a dozen people before me I maust say "Proof or STFU"
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Torshin
TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:28:00 -
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I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:30:00 -
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This thread is some serious lol
Butter Dog: You realize you're not the only person who doesn't like the MC right? Making a big ****ty thread trying to convey to the entire EVE player base that we're not good at a computer game isn't going to win you any awards or make you rich and famous or anything
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:31:00 -
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Fine, here is the screenshot.
If you are wondering what I was reffing to with the 'I wont post on EVE-O about it' comment, its the fact that MC got scared. That was before they got on my bad side.
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Acron Ishtal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Someone should start a merc outfit named suicide squad. That would rock.
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Layla Currie
Followers Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Layla Currie on 30/12/2006 18:34:13
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Fubear People seem to be forgetting that its Mercenary Coalition not Suicide Squad.
Their goal is to make money, and how much money would they make if they lost their entire capital fleet to an AAA ambush? Fulfilling contracts while minimising their losses is what they have to do to survive.
I cannot blame them for bowing out when a superior opponent appears, fighting a losing war is never good for the profit margin.
You obviously havent read the thread. At 16 pages, I don't blame you.
It goes far deeper than ISK loss, they would not fight AAA for any sum of money. They routinely reject 'tough' contracts and consistently go for the easy fights, running when things get too hairy.
You want proof? Take a look at every contract they have had this year, and tell me one where either they didnt give up and run when things got tougher than expecter, or where it was an absoulute cakewalk.
I dunno...they fought Maelstrom, and we're tough as old boots.
lol lol lol. No you guys are not tough spiral. I really hope that you don't believe that you guys are
And hahaha at that screenshot bdog posted. That's awesome tbh. But don't worry butter the calls of photoshop are minutes away!
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Layla Currie
And hahaha at that screenshot bdog posted. That's awesome tbh. But don't worry butter the calls of photoshop are minutes away!
i'm sure they are!
anyone who knows me knows I have zero technical knowledge though, it took me an hour to find out how to take screenshots of my desktop!
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin I made a thread maybe 3 days after the IAC ISS conflict started stating that there was internal strife within ISS and that their offensive decisions would turn out ot be tactically wrong. Butter dog instantly stated that there is no internal problems and that I was an IAC alt and wanted sources. I then posted many comments from the ISS forums and now BD won't even post a chat to save his name. If the ISS FC leaving isn't internal problems I don't know what is. But to be honest he always was better at ganking miners in low sec then he was as a FC. Reading 17 pages of this thread and seeing BD reply the same way ever time is pathetic. He says haha seleene you are lying now every one knows it, i have proof but im not going to reveal my sources. Butter dog shut up and go back and join your pathetic little pvp corp.
BD is not THE ISS FC. Really, what is this.
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