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jeNK Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:47:00 - [61] In the event of this happening, and I file an exploit petition for reimbursement - would I get everything back, or just the usual "only stuff that wasn't looted" back?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:50:00 - [62] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2007 20:49:57 Originally by: Rhaegar Targarin Bug has been around awhile now. Yes it works, but you have to be an idiot to log off in space. What you did was a logoffski in my mind and glad to see you podded. They need to change it so you can only log off while in a station or player owned structure. So you think that in 0.0 one can only log of at a Outpost? Seeing that if you log off at a POS your ship warp away for lands unknow. Better getting a lesson in logic 101
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:55:00 - [63] Originally by: jeNK In the event of this happening, and I file an exploit petition for reimbursement - would I get everything back, or just the usual "only stuff that wasn't looted" back? AS it seem classed as an exploit, you should get all back. If not, reply add to the petition, and add a ling to this thread, to the page with the dev suggestion to petition.
Larkonis Trassler Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:50:00 - [64] I've always been under the impression that if you log off with a 'yellow' agro timer, which you get from NPCs/shooting war targets/global flagged guys then youstay in space for 15 minutes regardless, not just pvp interaction. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Luigi Thirty Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:36:00 - [65] Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 03/02/2007 22:32:36 I just petitioned and was told there was no such bug and to please file it under reimbursement ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Caffeine Infused	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Allantia Lost a ship + pod in exactly the same manner last night. 10 minutes between last NPC contact and loggoff, and my ship was destroyed 14 minutes after logoff (24 min after last combat/contact of any type). Negative. Unfortunately, you didn't die from this bug. If you do not wait out the full 15 minutes (and some, wait 20mins to be sure), when you log off the timer is reset to 0, and your ship will remain in space for a further 15 minutes. This has been tested and confirmed by my alliance.
Caffeine Infused	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:16:00 - [67] Originally by: nickky01 i'm pretty sure he wasn't out ratting It's not just NPC wrecks that supposedly cause this bug you know...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:04:00 - [68] Yeah, you're right, I'd heard rumours of this happening, but never anything solid enough to actually petition or otherwise bug report. Bug report, and petition as 'possible exploit' and you'll get a solid answer.
Luigi Thirty Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:12:00 - [69] Originally by: James Lyrus Yeah, you're right, I'd heard rumours of this happening, but never anything solid enough to actually petition or otherwise bug report. Bug report, and petition as 'possible exploit' and you'll get a solid answer. I did and it was denied ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:44:00 - [70] Originally by: Luigi Thirty Originally by: James Lyrus Yeah, you're right, I'd heard rumours of this happening, but never anything solid enough to actually petition or otherwise bug report. Bug report, and petition as 'possible exploit' and you'll get a solid answer. I did and it was denied Scale up the petition and add the Dev suggestion 2 pages back.
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.04 01:42:00 - [71] A corp mate of mine tested this on his own alt. And it happens. Whether it is supposed to or not i dunno... I pop my wrecks. Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Luigi Thirty Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.02.04 22:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Luigi Thirty Originally by: James Lyrus Yeah, you're right, I'd heard rumours of this happening, but never anything solid enough to actually petition or otherwise bug report. Bug report, and petition as 'possible exploit' and you'll get a solid answer. I did and it was denied Scale up the petition and add the Dev suggestion 2 pages back. It was already at a Senior GM and I linked the thread, proof they don't read our petitions ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:((((
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.02.04 22:43:00 - [73] CCP really needs to fix this so people can get back to logging out as soon as somebody enters local. I mean, how can it be fair for people to attack you when you're just trying to make some isk? If we can't log out, what else are we supposed to do?
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.04 22:49:00 - [74] Shooting someone's wreck that they left behind gives them an aggro timer. If you know someone is ratting, and they warp off when you warp in and leave behind wrecks, you can shoot those wrecks once every 13 minutes or so and keep resetting their aggro timer until you find them with probing. Needs to be fixed. Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.05 00:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz CCP really needs to fix this so people can get back to logging out as soon as somebody enters local. I mean, how can it be fair for people to attack you when you're just trying to make some isk? If we can't log out, what else are we supposed to do? Signed. Think of the children. - Gob
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.02.05 00:22:00 - [76] Still is a exploit. No matter how you spin it,Attacking something else in the universe should not cause another a agression timer. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 00:44:00 - [77] I haven't read the thread. If somebody shoots your wreck, you get the pvp timer. A known exploit. ...now in RED
Maglorre	Posted - 2007.02.05 00:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Rhaegar Targarin Bug has been around awhile now. Yes it works, but you have to be an idiot to log off in space. What you did was a logoffski in my mind and glad to see you podded. They need to change it so you can only log off while in a station or player owned structure. You don't have kids do you? "It's OK Timmy, just stand there holding that vomit in your hands crying while I fly 10 jumps so I can dock at a station and log off"
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.02.05 04:46:00 - [79] Sounds like intentional and knowingly exploiting, worthy of a ban. I can see it no other way, if they are shooting your wrecks to impose an aggro time on you.
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.02.05 05:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Luigi Thirty Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Luigi Thirty Originally by: James Lyrus Yeah, you're right, I'd heard rumours of this happening, but never anything solid enough to actually petition or otherwise bug report. Bug report, and petition as 'possible exploit' and you'll get a solid answer. I did and it was denied Scale up the petition and add the Dev suggestion 2 pages back. It was already at a Senior GM and I linked the thread, proof they don't read our petitions I'd suggest repeating the process until you get one that cares enough to actually read it. --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
bacon isGood	Posted - 2007.02.05 07:52:00 - [81] Logging off in space is the ultimate exploit. Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Heather Maidla Nice to know Rapid Motion support logoffski! Come on heather lets be realistic here!! How on earth can I take on 6 ships fitted with a PVP setup, In my raven setup for NPC'ing. Just like in real life you would not fight a group of people if your on your own, u would try and walk away, If I try to take on these guys i die, If i try and log off i am a coward, I cant win with you ganksters, You sound like one of those players that would take on 1 pilot with about 50 ships. IMPOSSIBLE ODDS. I think the programmers should look at this seriously, they should make sure that players know they are aggro'ed and if the odds are silly then the person should not be aggro'ed. I happy that this looks like a possible expliot so it means i may be reimbursed. YES, you were presented with overwhelming force. The outcome of that is you are supposed to killed. I don't expect this game to be super realistic but come on, ships shouldn't magically disappear. To me this looks like one exploit that shouldn't happen, overcoming another exploit.
Entreri Finwe Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:59:00 - [82] Originally by: bacon isGood Logging off in space is the ultimate exploit. Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Heather Maidla Nice to know Rapid Motion support logoffski! Come on heather lets be realistic here!! How on earth can I take on 6 ships fitted with a PVP setup, In my raven setup for NPC'ing. Just like in real life you would not fight a group of people if your on your own, u would try and walk away, If I try to take on these guys i die, If i try and log off i am a coward, I cant win with you ganksters, You sound like one of those players that would take on 1 pilot with about 50 ships. IMPOSSIBLE ODDS. I think the programmers should look at this seriously, they should make sure that players know they are aggro'ed and if the odds are silly then the person should not be aggro'ed. I happy that this looks like a possible expliot so it means i may be reimbursed. YES, you were presented with overwhelming force. The outcome of that is you are supposed to killed. I don't expect this game to be super realistic but come on, ships shouldn't magically disappear. To me this looks like one exploit that shouldn't happen, overcoming another exploit. So your saying that he should automatically go boom as soon as a few pirates enter local? ---
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:34:00 - [83] Originally by: bacon isGood Logging off in space is the ultimate exploit. Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Heather Maidla Nice to know Rapid Motion support logoffski! Come on heather lets be realistic here!! How on earth can I take on 6 ships fitted with a PVP setup, In my raven setup for NPC'ing. Just like in real life you would not fight a group of people if your on your own, u would try and walk away, If I try to take on these guys i die, If i try and log off i am a coward, I cant win with you ganksters, You sound like one of those players that would take on 1 pilot with about 50 ships. IMPOSSIBLE ODDS. I think the programmers should look at this seriously, they should make sure that players know they are aggro'ed and if the odds are silly then the person should not be aggro'ed. I happy that this looks like a possible expliot so it means i may be reimbursed. YES, you were presented with overwhelming force. The outcome of that is you are supposed to killed. I don't expect this game to be super realistic but come on, ships shouldn't magically disappear. To me this looks like one exploit that shouldn't happen, overcoming another exploit. If this game was "realistic" in the sense you are suggesting I would have the option to say to my ship "After jumping to planet X, fly appling max accelerating speed away from it", and the sip would continue to do it even after my PC disconnect. And my defensive modules will continue to work. So the hunter warping after me wold be way back, and with such a differential in velocity to make almost impossible doing something to me. Whit a whole solar system to lose himself, in the real universe, if the target has a sufficent head start it should be impossible to find it. As the EVE solar systems have a limited amount of space the log off can rapresent the use of the above mentioned tactic.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:52:00 - [84] Surely this isn't a bug? If they remove the agression timer from wrecks then anyone can sit in low sec and blow up your wrecks without fear of retribution bringing a whole new set of complaints! Or are we saying that the wrecks should cause aggression unless the person wants to log out?! Is the bug that the timer just doesn't show?
OneSock	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:25:00 - [85] The bug is not the aggression timer the bug is in the logoffski logic. If a players ship is aggressed his ship should stay in space until the timer reaches zero. If however a can or wreck is aggressed his ship should not spay in space and should vanish in the usual time frame. That said, IMO wrecks should not have an ownership flag.
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Rhaegar Targarin Bug has been around awhile now. Yes it works, but you have to be an idiot to log off in space. What you did was a logoffski in my mind and glad to see you podded. They need to change it so you can only log off while in a station or player owned structure. You don't have kids do you? "It's OK Timmy, just stand there holding that vomit in your hands crying while I fly 10 jumps so I can dock at a station and log off" QFT When my kids yell in the middle of night that they need me, the game comes second. Wred
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:28:00 - [87] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 05/02/2007 22:25:15 I've always found it very amusing how the bad guys use "realism" as an argument for AND against the way they act in game. It always makes me LOL! When you get right down to it being a jerk is being a jerk in and out of "reality". But do go on. It always gives me a good laugh. --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.05 23:18:00 - [88] Originally by: Weebear Surely this isn't a bug? If they remove the agression timer from wrecks then anyone can sit in low sec and blow up your wrecks without fear of retribution bringing a whole new set of complaints! Or are we saying that the wrecks should cause aggression unless the person wants to log out?! Is the bug that the timer just doesn't show? I do believe he was talking about having his wrecks blown up on him. Lets be clear shooting other people should = aggression timer. Having wreck shot WHILE YOU AREN'T THERE and getting NO WARNING THAT YOU ARE PVP FLAGGED = exploit. It always amazes me the lengths people will go to just to get a cheap killmail. Yeah we killed a podded a logged off frig and got . . . some cheap ratting loot and T1 fittings. Yeah. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
mechtech	Posted - 2007.02.05 23:20:00 - [89] This needs to be fixed.
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.05 23:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Rhaegar Targarin Bug has been around awhile now. Yes it works, but you have to be an idiot to log off in space. What you did was a logoffski in my mind and glad to see you podded. They need to change it so you can only log off while in a station or player owned structure. You don't have kids do you? "It's OK Timmy, just stand there holding that vomit in your hands crying while I fly 10 jumps so I can dock at a station and log off" QFMFT!! ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."

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