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Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:48:00 - [241] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead. Go and lay down in your basket Rover
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:11:00 - [242] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists RISE got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. Hardly a fix. BoB get what they want, RISE get what they want... I really don't see a problem. Has your corporation or Alliance never heard of a win-win situation? Maybe that's why you're having a difficult time understanding the motives behind our actions. Once you realize that both parties are benefiting from the relationship, it's smooth sailing for there.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:15:00 - [243] Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists RISE got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. Hardly a fix. BoB get what they want, RISE get what they want... I really don't see a problem. Has your corporation or Alliance never heard of a win-win situation? Maybe that's why you're having a difficult time understanding the motives behind our actions. Once you realize that both parties are benefiting from the relationship, it's smooth sailing for there. no they will never understand.. Cuase they only think one way.. It works for them in their small little world. But one day they will finally see the big picuter. -----------------------------------------------
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:39:00 - [244] Your parents wanted you to grow up and go to college. You did. According to the nonsensical way of thinking expressed by far too many here, you are their puppet. Of course they won't see it that way, because they have this other rule. It goes something like this: "The Crap That Spews Forth from My Lips Don't Apply to Me, Only to Others." Must be nice to be blinded by hypocrisy. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:46:00 - [245] Originally by: Everbane Go and lay down in your basket Rover Your logical and well written rebuttal has shown me how my original analysis of the situation was flawed. Were you on the Yale debate team? Your style is such I would assume only someone from the Ivy League debate squads could produce such an argument. It seems a bit like one would expect to see from Yale, though perhaps there is a touch of Harvard too. Reguardless to the orgin, you sir are a master of dialectics.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:07:00 - [246] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 11/01/2007 19:05:08 Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 11/01/2007 18:48:36 Your parents wanted you to grow up and go to college. You did. According to the nonsensical way of thinking expressed by far too many here, you are their puppet. Of course they won't see it that way, because they have this other rule. It goes something like this: "The Crap That Spews Forth from My Lips Doesn't Apply to Me, Only to Others." Must be nice to be blinded by hypocrisy. Except that no Alliance is our parents. We got friends, not parents. No authority is gave to RAGoons, and they show no authority to us. Any alliance that would be seen internally as my parents and my alliance would be see externally as a "parents"'s pet. Yeah it's a game, of course play as you want. I love TCF's pride to do whatever they decide too. We can watch TV after midnight, you know. You can't. I can also get drunk with my friends, that won't be the same with your parents... Have fun anyway.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:23:00 - [247] You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:54:00 - [248] Originally by: Baymm You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. Or logic. Or, better yet, to think before typing.
petition maker1	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:03:00 - [249] How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:33:00 - [250] Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. _

Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:33:00 - [251] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. That's not really what's happening though. What's happening is corps prostituting themselves to Band of Brothers in return for a place to live.. and paying "rent" for the privilige of whoring themselves out. They provide something BoB is apparently really big on -- e-peen -- by maintaining the illusion that all the space BoB claims, is actually BoB space. It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. BoB is big on the 'capture the flag' wins, and has the pixels that proclaim them sovereigns, but in practice they have very little actual influence on events in several of their claimed regions. But as long as there are corps willing to play the role of video game vassals, BoB can maintain at least a semblance of an illusion of holding massive territory.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:43:00 - [252] Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. . with that being said you are going to stay in Fountain when the true land owners come home? Or are you going to be like every other parasite that lives on our land and run once the owners come back? So your month of leaching off someone elses hard work means what? That you can run and hide like everyone else when the going gets tough? Mutal agreements made such as these prevent anyone from worrying about "what if they come back?" thoughts. I am sorry you guys still are looking at this one way. -----------------------------------------------
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:45:00 - [253] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. -----------------------------------------------
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:55:00 - [254] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. . with that being said you are going to stay in Fountain when the true land owners come home? Or are you going to be like every other parasite that lives on our land and run once the owners come back? So your month of leaching off someone elses hard work means what? That you can run and hide like everyone else when the going gets tough? Leeching off whose work.. BoBs? I saw one, single, BoB member in a month in Fountain, and they were in a complex. I wasn't leeching off Xelas' work, they shot at me three times in that month, with no kills either way. I don't think I was leeching off Celes' work, since they explicitly invited people to come hang out in Fountain. You can choose to try to be the "true owners" of Fountain again if you want, but to do that, you'll have to actually have real influence over who lives there and what they do. And that means having Band of Brothers pilots in the area on a regular basis, not just whenever you feel like it. This is 0.0 space in EVE, not a flat in London, and there are no cops to evict people if you don't do it. And if you don't (or can't) do it, that's proof you don't really control it.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:07:00 - [255] dynast, when u say fountain u mean fountain core. we have 2-3 outposts in fountain, completely and uncontested our under control plus a friendly alliance maintaining its own outpost. u are living out of npc stations, which are unclaimable - and when u check the alliance map u see the fountain core, a small part of fountain, is marked as contested anyways. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:19:00 - [256] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 11/01/2007 21:19:01 Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have chosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Hi main. ... A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. What "principles" do you consider to be anti-BoB? Maybe if I have some idea of where you're coming from, I'll be able to explain myself better. The "main" you're debating w/ actually has a better understanding of what is really going on, at least for me. Obviously I don't speak on behalf of my corporation or alliance, but I respect BoB a lot because of their logistic and military superiority. They know what it takes to be successful, and they actually have what it takes to be successful. Maybe if your corp or alliance claimed 6? 7? regions you could rent a couple out as well. RISE can only benefit from working w/ them, and living in Feyth will allow us to grow. Even if you claim BoB doesn't "own" it or have control over it, like people say about Fountain, start trying to dismantle their POS' in important systems and actually contest their control instead of whining about it. Not Xeles' control. BoB control. If you're right, BoB won't be able to stop you. I would start w/ a 10/10 complex, as BoB profits most from them. Maybe an outpost rather than NPC stations? EDIT: Also, please locate posts written by RISE members in which we declare our, "undying love" for BoB. Posts in which these words actually appear, in that order, would be even better. Thank you.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:23:00 - [257] This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:31:00 - [258] Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. ... So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? No Baymm, there is only one devil and apparently, he is BoB. Would you like to know what is really fantastically silly? Putting yourself in somebody else's shoes and looking at a situation from their point of view. /end sarcasm
Ma'kai Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:42:00 - [259] Rise is doing what it thinks is best for its alliance. I'd take a hit to my reputation if it would increase the prosperity, enjoyment, and stablity of my alliance. Its amazing how many people come out of the woodwork to condemn Rise for siding with bob. Most of you have napped most of eve. Rise is moving out of the ghetto known as Outer Ring and into a better neighborhood. Ya they have to pay rent and deal with a homeowners association, but the benefits outwiegh the drawbacks.
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:03:00 - [260] Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical.

Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:17:00 - [261] Originally by: MeatwagonUK Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical. Fountain Alliance fought BoB, but not RISE. As I'm sure you know, RISE fought Goons w/ D2, YouWhat (who were backed by D2), and RONIN (who were supported by D2).
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:22:00 - [262] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. LOL, are you serious? BIG/BIGAA congratulated RISE on their new venture and hope nothing but the best for them. Just because we didn't want any part of it doesn't make us backstabbers. Your statement may be onc of the most idiotic ever. unless you were being sarcastic, you should have used a " " or two cuz my sarcasm meter is broken ----------------------------------------------- "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:39:00 - [263] Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. LOL, are you serious? BIG/BIGAA congratulated RISE on their new venture and hope nothing but the best for them. Just because we didn't want any part of it doesn't make us backstabbers. Your statement may be onc of the most idiotic ever. unless you were being sarcastic, you should have used a " " or two cuz my sarcasm meter is broken not what I intended to say. I am talking about the others that were fine with RISE until this decision.. -----------------------------------------------
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:44:00 - [264] Edited by: Baymm on 11/01/2007 22:40:42 I would agree 100% with Borg's statement. Nobody that I know of views BIG and Promo as backstabbers. In fact, quite the contary. I personally thank them for supporting us as true friends would and permitting us to part on excellent terms to explore whatever we do from here on out. That is the true essence of friendship. With all your unnecessary inflated drama, you guys could run your own Eve Oprah Winfrey show. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:39:00 - [265] See you guys in space.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:55:00 - [266] Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out .
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:59:00 - [267] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's ***es? Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:02:00 - [268] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's *****es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? - Gob
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:03:00 - [269] Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: MeatwagonUK Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical. Fountain Alliance fought BoB, but not RISE. As I'm sure you know, RISE fought Goons w/ D2, YouWhat (who were backed by D2), and RONIN (who were supported by D2). Killboard says otherwise but whatever
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:05:00 - [270] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's ***es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? - Gob When his quote only includes those that pay us dues, sure. Until then, nope. Even before FIX started living in "BoB" space the same people were calling them our slaves, our *es, so I figured it would be interesting to see how the shoe felt on the other foot. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.



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