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Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:32:00 - [151] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits The days of the Hobbit are over, we have entered the Bobbit era. Predict their fate by Googleing "bobbit" yourselves. Ouch! Hide those kitchen knives guys.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:15:00 - [152] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire. The fact that we have already had first hand experience with how D2 treats its supposed allies and friends definetely influenced RISE's decision. The general sentiment was that being blue with BoB was hard to swallow, but siding with D2 again was out of the question. I am sure that many of your former allies feel the same these days. PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:24:00 - [153] Edited by: Plutoinum on 09/01/2007 12:26:11 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Why d2, one of the biggest alliances and the ones who have almost the whole north as allies and already enhancing that friend/allie list fears to get blobbed, is a riddle to me. You have the numbers, the isk, the equipment, what else do you want ? CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Sextus Licinius I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. People posting rhetoric like the above is what ruins EVE. Like calling yourselves anti-pirates by doing the same thing that pirates do. Or kind of like inviting corporations that wouldn't stand a chance on their own to live under your guidance and protection in Fountain. The only difference is that you're not charging ISK for it. Here are the five obvious reasons why: 1. CELES cares about image and moral highground. It would be difficult for EVE to see you as the good guys playing the rebel-fights-empire game if you started a protection racket. You're forgoing income to look good; which is cute and everything. But there is no afterlife in EVE and darth isn't Mother Teresa, so the only reason the core CELES leadership is scared of looking evil is because they spent too much time denouncing it (m0o vs CELES anyone?). This is why CELES uses an alt corp to pirate innocents, right? 2. You can't sell what you don't own, and you don't own what you didn't take. The transfer of conquerable stations represents a tangible asset that doesn't depend on the hours of the day where BoB isn't the dominant presence. Its value also comes from the massive effort required in building/capturing it - as opposed to squatting where all others have squatted before and shouting "mine!". If you tried to sell NPC station access, people would laugh at you. 3. The lack of costs makes your deal sound more attractive than BoB's to some corporations. Even if you don't benefit economically, you benefit politically because you get to create doubts in peoples decision-making process. Only your residents are being promised protection that you can't provide as a corporation. Whenever BoB shows up to purge the region of unwanteds every couple months, the size of the EVE playerbase that becomes disillusioned with your war grows larger. 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. When that happens you can't complain whenever BoB brings a big fleet, or insult the quality of BoB's memberbase. But remaining small leads to coverage problems, so inviting outsiders to be in Fountain Core on your behalf is the next best thing. They get to cover timezones and systems you can't, and if they die it doesn't matter because Celest will maintain a cleaner ratio on BoB. If they complain, you kindly remind them that you're not charging them to be your meatshields/pets/slaves and spare yourself any public embarassments. 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. So take your slave rhetoric and cram it. EVE doesn't need more people whining about BoB and pointing blame on everyone but themselves. I can't believe you just accused someone of posting rhetoric, then went on to spend god knows how much of your time writing that complete nonsense. It boggles the mind. Some serious laugh out loud moments in that tirade. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:39:00 - [155] Originally by: ArcticFox I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). Hi Rise!
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:45:00 - [156] Judging by your dumbstricken reply, you must be hurting. Are you hurting, Plim? Deep inside? I would be too, if three months of my existance was negated by five minutes of typing. They say laughter is the best medicine.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:47:00 - [157] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal CELES WANTS TO STEAL YOUR BODILY FLUIDS! WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH WHHHYYY?>??>??? This is your next post? ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:50:00 - [158] Nice dignity, we'll take it.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:52:00 - [159] I suppose you need to get some from somewhere, after you lost it all posting that baseless nonsense earlier. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:52:00 - [160] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. Alternatively, all the really good pvpers could split off and form an even more elite group? On an unrelated topic, how is TAOSP getting on?

Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:56:00 - [161] Originally by: darth solo we have known this for a while. what a bunch of cowards. lets all nap BOB so u dont need to fight them. EVE is a joke game. does anyone like a challenge?. d solo. 90% of the eve players just wanna fill their pockets, nothign else matter, isk grind = +10 epic sword grinding Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:13:00 - [162] Just gotta say, nice sig BlackLight
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:42:00 - [163] I hate bob
AmunRaa Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:49:00 - [164] Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :)
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:53:00 - [165] Originally by: AmunRaa Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :) Hi lordchaos hiding behind alts for posting = lack of stones. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
AmunRaa Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:02:00 - [166] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: AmunRaa Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :) Hi lordchaos hiding behind alts for posting = lack of stones. None of your dam business :)
GT Maximus Ascent of Ages R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:30:00 - [167] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: ArcticFox I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). Hi Rise! Hi AAA!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:20:00 - [168] Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? I'd say they're doing pretty damn well, tbh, how about you? Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:20:00 - [169] Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/01/2007 15:18:06 Would just like to address the most scathing part of Arenis post in an honest fashion. I should probably just leave it but you seem like a reasonable person. When Celes set about inviting friendly corporations to Fountain a few very important things were stressed repeatedly; 1. If the fighting starts Celes would prefer if you didn't get involved. 2. If you do want to fight you fight at your own risk, there is no offer of protection or guarenteed involvement on Celes behalf. 3. If you are attacked, Celes will respond as they are able, why? Because Celes are here to fight for entertainment. I suggest you listen to your own alliance leadership and stop subscribing to conspiracy theories, there isn't one. The rest of your post is fundamentally correct, Celes enjoy roleplaying the good guys in the loosest sense. Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. They'll fight you because they hate what you are in game, they won't give up so long as darth has anything to say about it. So I suggest you stop psychoanalysing ulterior motives and play this piece of entertainment software a bit more.
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:32:00 - [170] Edited by: Kinsy on 09/01/2007 15:29:11 Originally by: Plim Originally by: Arenis Xemdal CELES WANTS TO STEAL YOUR BODILY FLUIDS! WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH WHHHYYY?>??>??? This is your next post? Plim is ace. You, sir, seem to think we offered Fountain to people as a business proposition. We asked them to come to:- 1. Make isk 2. Kill off Xelas in core 3. **** you off Mission accomplished, see you in space. On topic: Nice to see the RISE carebears taking the easy way out once again.

Shaydin Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:44:00 - [171] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/01/2007 15:18:06 Would just like to address the most scathing part of Arenis post in an honest fashion. I should probably just leave it but you seem like a reasonable person. When Celes set about inviting friendly corporations to Fountain a few very important things were stressed repeatedly; 1. If the fighting starts Celes would prefer if you didn't get involved. 2. If you do want to fight you fight at your own risk, there is no offer of protection or guarenteed involvement on Celes behalf. 3. If you are attacked, Celes will respond as they are able, why? Because Celes are here to fight for entertainment. I suggest you listen to your own alliance leadership and stop subscribing to conspiracy theories, there isn't one. The rest of your post is fundamentally correct, Celes enjoy roleplaying the good guys in the loosest sense. Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. They'll fight you because they hate what you are in game, they won't give up so long as darth has anything to say about it. So I suggest you stop psychoanalysing ulterior motives and play this piece of entertainment software a bit more. Good post .....
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:47:00 - [172] Originally by: Kinsy On topic: Nice to see the RISE carebears taking the easy way out once again. And this is the saddest part of all -- Sturmgrenadier had been friends with CELEST for as long as they've been in Fountain. We fought long and hard against BoB -- from the first day they entered Delve, nearly to the day we left Aridia for OR (and even a few skirmishes after that.) Believe me, RISE is not full of carebears -- SG has become a PVP machine, IMNSHO, and it was a blast flying with them. RISE had the spirit for the most part, no matter what you read here from their detractors. I just can't follow them this time, and am sad to leave Sturmgrenadier after 2 incredible years. <-- Corp not displayed, awaiting expiration of roles. Should show me as "State War Academy" for the foreseeable future.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:55:00 - [173] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ...
M0RPH Amarr Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:59:00 - [174] i am a carebear, thx
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:06:00 - [175] This thread is funny. Everything is only looked one sided. I am glad you all think only one way. Rise is going to do more than any of you others have ever dreamed about. Also to the D2 and others saying they are going have fun with their new neighboors. I am glad you like playing on easy mode. Step up the the real challange and come see us. I am sure we can give you what you want. Ohh wait you dont want a challange so yeah stay where you are and proclaim your uberness. Cause we can never lower our selfs to your level. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:15:00 - [176] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Was that a challenge? Oh I do hope so!
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:32:00 - [177] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits, we are going to met as soon as ur new towers are up. This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Njoy the ride. Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire. I disagree. Bob is not the usual alliance that disbands just because they would have lost a war, even if it involved all their south territory. A single system is somehow easy to defend when you are surrounded 5v1. Bob are 1800 people "not usual players" so they can't loose the south and get back to Empire : 5v1 is around 10000 guys vs them, maybe 15000 for this elite ally. Rise is just the third party Bob just throw in the middle of LV/RaGoon, and it's really easy to understand why : organize more mess here so our side is completly un-united. Then Bob come back and pewpew middle sized alliances that remains, grab a few more 0 region and still whine because nobody loves them. It can't fail because LV are not going to ally Ragoons which would mean the first time a bob plot fails. Just be at their place and choose : who do you want to avoid to be at war : west or east (Bob owns one of EVE's cardinal poitn atm) ? Then move the buckler south of there. The thing I just don't understand is moving Rise here will shatter the Rose so no buckler for next move. To Bob whining like "booo, nobody loves us, we're seen as the evil of Eve", I'd reply 1 - I though true Evil guys were RaGoons so don't comply, 2 - actually guess why nobody loves you, you old nearly 1/4 of the 0.0 ressources of Eve, hey.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:45:00 - [178] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:44:46 Originally by: ponieus This thread is funny. Everything is only looked one sided. I am glad you all think only one way. Rise is going to do more than any of you others have ever dreamed about. Also to the D2 and others saying they are going have fun with their new neighboors. I am glad you like playing on easy mode. Step up the the real challange and come see us. I am sure we can give you what you want. Ohh wait you dont want a challange so yeah stay where you are and proclaim your uberness. Cause we can never lower our selfs to your level. Please no, you're the elite... Come get lag first here please :) Are you serious ? Do you realize moving a pet here is like a war proposal to each side of the conflict and any side or both could react to this ? You must be kidding, or Bob need the fall of Rise to do something... Taking the West maybe. Remember you're installing a alliance on a ex-allied of LV so they could try to avenge/defend what remains of them. You're also moving a pet next to the Black Evil of Dark Sorrow of the Badness of Eve aka the Ragoons, we may pewpew them just to play. Everyside would have the motivation to shoot them. Pretending to be behind them is not what would stop some of us to shoot them so you need their fall. The fall of the Rose.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:55:00 - [179] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:55:52 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:55:36 Originally by: welsh wizard Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. Bob got so many hardcore player + so many ressources that nobody wants. Easy as that. Only "grande gueules" (err... Big mouthes ?) players here (just like me). (edit) The question is : what will Bob do when all the 0 is blue ? Attack Empire alliances by tanking and paying Concord ? I mean they acheive 1/4 of their dream now. And nobody wants to end this.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:04:00 - [180] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Was that a challenge? Oh I do hope so! No it wasnt a challenge just a big laugh ... I think that if you have a sense of humour you will laugh to, or do you really think that is true ? Maybe if you, one of the top and most respectfull BOB pvp players say the same I might believe. Can you and your 14 mates take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win ?



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