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Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.09 01:32:00 - [121] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise. o.0 Wow 0.o
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:01:00 - [122] Edited by: Rikeka on 09/01/2007 01:57:18 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise. It`s a thread that directly involves them AND BoB. How can they hijack their own thread? It`s 3bn per corp? Or 3bn per alliance? And they have ownership of the stations? But BoB dictates who they can let in? Sorry, dunno about how this really is. -/-
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:34:00 - [123] I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:46:00 - [124] I was just thinking of that. But they should be fine for the following weeks (till AAA gets bored again).
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:48:00 - [125] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Myadra Here is RISE's new master ... and who they'll be dealing with.. Just got the idea, cause of Band Of Brothers own banners :) Anyway, I stand by what i said earleir, and others who do, such as darth solo, this games getting pretty dumb, with one power running everything.. they even got the best merc corp in their pockets.. can't beat that... but it seems like a good time for us smaller alliances possibly to unite together & stop it before its too late ;) Ok fine this game is dumb. Quit the game and dont forget to take darth with ya on the way and go to a better place , no one is tieng you or him to play and there are 100000 more ppl are happy with the game. Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Faiith	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:49:00 - [126] i realise something today, eve is closer to real life then people want to accept. Everyone hates the biggest, best and most powerful, eve hates BoB as much as the rest of the world hates the U.S. my hat goes off to BoB for playing the political game as well as the military game.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Myadra Here is RISE's new master ... and who they'll be dealing with.. Just got the idea, cause of Band Of Brothers own banners :) Anyway, I stand by what i said earleir, and others who do, such as darth solo, this games getting pretty dumb, with one power running everything.. they even got the best merc corp in their pockets.. can't beat that... but it seems like a good time for us smaller alliances possibly to unite together & stop it before its too late ;) Ok fine this game is dumb. Quit the game and dont forget to take darth with ya on the way and go to a better place , no one is tieng you or him to play and there are 100000 more ppl are happy with the game. Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. very good post Sextus. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:52:00 - [128] Originally by: Faiith i realise something today, eve is closer to real life then people want to accept. Everyone hates the biggest, best and most powerful, eve hates BoB as much as the rest of the world hates the U.S. my hat goes off to BoB for playing the political game as well as the military game. I dont hate BOB.I dont like tough the way they are shaping Eve, also got a problem with their attitude so i fight them. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:14:00 - [129] Edited by: Baymm on 09/01/2007 04:15:27 Utterly priceless to see so many corps come here whining about how BOB is horrible for Eve. Yet surprisingly (sarcasm btw) every single one of your corps would replicate what BOB has done but for the fact you have not been able to do it. Quite interesting to see people talk about morality all the while shooting neutrals in space like they are ducks at the carnival. Do you honestly even read your own posts? They stink of double talk and moral relativist nonsense. This is a game folks, now repeat that 10 times until you fully grasp it. The "chatty cathy" drama has to go as well. I am beginning to think your corps are full of 80 year old women who are looking for another nag-fest. Are you playing eve or trying to find a quiet night away from bingo? No life and death decisions are being made in this game. Shocking as this might sound, Eve is not the real world. Now shut your pie hole and get back to having fun in the game. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:24:00 - [130] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. I think its pretty naive to expect BoB to worry about the 'balance' in the game. Furthermore it could be argued that BoB actually promote balance and stability. It sounds crazy... but let me explain. One can argue that BoB have refined playing the territorial conquest game to an artform, in doing so they are actually performing a service to the community. I.e by emulating them, one can achieve what they achieve and in doing so it would be possible to forge several BoB-type entities with their level of efficiency but with different flavours, as no entity is identical it is impossible. It has been mentioned elsewhere (I believe on the CLS thread in reference to Chronx {sp?}) that BoB absorbs all the best pilots ... this may be the case.... but its only because if you are one of the best pilots of your generation there is only one entity able to provide a proper home for you, if you are interested in teh alliance side of things. If there had been another entity able to match BoB's appeal, then Chronx might have gone somewhere else. Having established that BoB aren't doing anything wrong per se... if EVE starts to become unbalanced, who is to blame? Well I'll quote the rest of your post to explain that... Quote: The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. If EVE becomes unbalanced... there are two parties to blame. (1) alliances willing to accept a life of slavery or puppetry/muppetry, e.g. BoB tennants. (2) The other 0.0 alliances who refuse to see that the BoB model is the most efficient 0.0 framework there is at this current stage of evolution in EVE. If EVE falls out of balance, BoB is not to blame... the rest of us are. They can't help it if there are alliances out there lame enough to live as tennants in a game and they can't help it if other 0.0 alliances refuse to adapt their modus operandi to compete on a level footing with BoB. P.S - I'm going to say that there is however one exception to the current 0.0 alliances... AAA... they are the one group that has mangaged to close the gap between BoB and the rest of EVE. I believe they are a real alternative to Robert. (The only mark against them is their un-wholesome rep in terms of pvp style.) Possibly RA also, but they are simply not an inclusive alliance.. i.e its Russian speaking. D2 and LV are still subscribing to the quantity > quality motto.. and its a known fact that it simply does not work, in the long run.

Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:41:00 - [131] Edited by: Rikeka on 09/01/2007 04:38:27 That`s not really fair, Nez. LV is currently weakened because of their long war. And D2... well, we have to see what they can do on a more serious war (meaning their current one probably does not fully show what they can do). AAA fought well, as far as I can tell. And they can muster huge numbers in their TZ. As for RA, yeah. But we have to admit never give up, which is a huge bonus.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:51:00 - [132] Edited by: Nez Perces on 09/01/2007 04:48:20 Originally by: Rikeka That`s not really fair, Nez. LV is currently weakened because of their long war. Perhaps they are ... but until recently they had 3000 bodies on their roster, now 2600. One has to wonder how much of that is dead weight.. and D2 is close on their heels with 2200. Funnily enough BoB isn't far behind with 1800 or so. The real question is which alliance has the highest participation rates.. i.e online alliance number vs active participation in alliance operations? And the answer is probably gonna be BoB, AAA, RA in that order. Would BoB have cleared RA out by now... I think they would have.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:55:00 - [133] Originally by: Sextus Licinius I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. People posting rhetoric like the above is what ruins EVE. Like calling yourselves anti-pirates by doing the same thing that pirates do. Or kind of like inviting corporations that wouldn't stand a chance on their own to live under your guidance and protection in Fountain. The only difference is that you're not charging ISK for it. Here are the five obvious reasons why: 1. CELES cares about image and moral highground. It would be difficult for EVE to see you as the good guys playing the rebel-fights-empire game if you started a protection racket. You're forgoing income to look good; which is cute and everything. But there is no afterlife in EVE and darth isn't Mother Teresa, so the only reason the core CELES leadership is scared of looking evil is because they spent too much time denouncing it (m0o vs CELES anyone?). This is why CELES uses an alt corp to pirate innocents, right? 2. You can't sell what you don't own, and you don't own what you didn't take. The transfer of conquerable stations represents a tangible asset that doesn't depend on the hours of the day where BoB isn't the dominant presence. Its value also comes from the massive effort required in building/capturing it - as opposed to squatting where all others have squatted before and shouting "mine!". If you tried to sell NPC station access, people would laugh at you. 3. The lack of costs makes your deal sound more attractive than BoB's to some corporations. Even if you don't benefit economically, you benefit politically because you get to create doubts in peoples decision-making process. Only your residents are being promised protection that you can't provide as a corporation. Whenever BoB shows up to purge the region of unwanteds every couple months, the size of the EVE playerbase that becomes disillusioned with your war grows larger. 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. When that happens you can't complain whenever BoB brings a big fleet, or insult the quality of BoB's memberbase. But remaining small leads to coverage problems, so inviting outsiders to be in Fountain Core on your behalf is the next best thing. They get to cover timezones and systems you can't, and if they die it doesn't matter because Celest will maintain a cleaner ratio on BoB. If they complain, you kindly remind them that you're not charging them to be your meatshields/pets/slaves and spare yourself any public embarassments. 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. So take your slave rhetoric and cram it. EVE doesn't need more people whining about BoB and pointing blame on everyone but themselves.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:00:00 - [134] Edited by: Earthan on 09/01/2007 06:04:11 Edited by: Earthan on 09/01/2007 05:57:25 very well written post of total bull****. We are free to do whatever we want in fountain.( see there is the difference freedom and independance, tough nto sure if you undersnad those concepts) Celest never promised protection nor was it expected or sought, we enjoy fighting. Dont talk to me about morale highground when bob does the same propagande before each invasion to gain it.And yes we are on morale highround at least in the fact that we dont pirate and oppose BOB hegemony , wich is obvios bussiness of all free 0.0 allainces/corps. And i agree in your assemsemnt why Celest invited us , good for them to come up with such smart plan , good for us cause we have fun and nice region.All parties gain except for por bob.Celest was clear from start and honest.Kudos to them. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:09:00 - [135] Myadra, Galavet says the answer is still no and to stop bothering him on IRC. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:12:00 - [136] Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:15:00 - [137] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory. well nice arguments against mine, pointing out typos, you are so smart The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:17:00 - [138] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory. well nice arguments against mine, pointing out typos, you are so smart Nice reading comprehension, because I didn't.
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:22:00 - [139] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. so shooting poses with dreads is fun now? afik thouse people were invited to make isk not fight, its their choice weather to do so and can leave at anytime, no one is holding a gun to their head telling them to stay.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:23:00 - [140] whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:24:00 - [141] Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Hi Earthan Blog
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:30:00 - [142] Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Thanks for the compliment, newbie.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:32:00 - [143] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Hi Earthan Hi Black.You know me my feelings toward BOB are complicated The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:34:00 - [144] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Thanks for the compliment, newbie. exactly what i meant.Calling me newbie not even knowing me. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:33:00 - [145] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 07:30:21 Originally by: Doddy Well when napoleon was born, corsica was under french military occupation having been taken over 2 years b4 Originally by: Doddy This is probably the time to point out that Napoleon was not actually French Sorry, you may be an history looser :)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 09/01/2007 04:15:27 Utterly priceless to see so many corps come here whining about how BOB is horrible for Eve. Yet surprisingly (sarcasm btw) every single one of your corps would replicate what BOB has done but for the fact you have not been able to do it. Quite interesting to see people talk about morality all the while shooting neutrals in space like they are ducks at the carnival. Do you honestly even read your own posts? They stink of double talk and moral relativist nonsense. This is a game folks, now repeat that 10 times until you fully grasp it. The "chatty cathy" drama has to go as well. I am beginning to think your corps are full of 80 year old women who are looking for another nag-fest. Are you playing eve or trying to find a quiet night away from bingo? No life and death decisions are being made in this game. Shocking as this might sound, Eve is not the real world. Now shut your pie hole and get back to having fun in the game. No. The problem is you just don't know what is the problem in the South-West, Bob asks you the do the buffer and you reply "Yes-yes my Lord". that is the only problem I see. Now you can think whatever you want, you will have problems with both LV and RAGoons there because the politics involved here are about the complexity of an irl naughty conflict. Bob just only see a very instable region just next to them, and don't want to border them. No matter what you think, Feyth will be a buffer. Whoever will live in will be not be safe (the winning side from LV/RaGoon will probably try to invade this one, the loosing side to escape by there).
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:27:00 - [147] Originally by: Red Six Myadra, Galavet says the answer is still no and to stop bothering him on IRC. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:11:00 - [148] Originally by: Mancen Whats wrong with maken ISK down south? Anything any more "morally disturbing" than claiming all this "anti-bob" crap while watching them blast apart another neighboring alliance? (while you farm ISK) Theres nothing wrong with making isk down south at all, lots of people do it - though the ones purely interested in isk don't seem to last too long. The more interesting part of all this is how your alliances party line has changed - from spewing all this anti-bob rhetoric, allying with as many anti-bob entities as you can and generally considering them the source of all that is evil in this sandbox world we inhabit. How you wanted death to BOB and all who fly with them and all that. Its refreshing to see you saying you just want to get rich - I don't see it as morally disturbing.. its probably the first honest thing I've seen a RISE say in a while. It is that that makes this far more amusing and interesting than the MWA thread about basically the same thing, the lighting fast turnaround in alliance stance in the face of arkanor. The two days of frantically pulling towers down and evacuating from OR even faster than you ran from CR while shouting over your shoulders about how hard you are does quite suit you though. I'm sure you'll get to do it again soon too. I think you finally achieved what you wanted though. You talked like ASCN. You fought like ASCN. You spammed towers like ASCN. You NAPed like ASCN. You deluded yourself ASCN. Now you can finally play at being ASCN, for a small monthly fee. Congrats
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:56:00 - [149] /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits, we are going to met as soon as ur new towers are up. This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Njoy the ride. Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire.
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:13:00 - [150] Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 09/01/2007 11:10:22 oooh, a bob bashing thread..... bleh, F1, F2, F3 (if you go that high!) > BOB bashing rumor has it your comming north BOB? Polishes the nose of his shiny Vaelator II, while eyeing off the Civilian Gattling Gun II FUN TIMES!



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