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Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:59:00 - [1] Intelligence has just turned up within our corporation which confirms that Feythabolis will have new residents to take over the region, set there by BoB for a sum of isk I'm sure. RISE will be moving to Feyth very soon from Outer-Ring, It comes as a surprise to most of us anti-bob factions due to FA's destruction by BoB and now the fact they turn their tummies up and tuck their tail between their legs and become puppets. For shame on you RISE, let the RISE gang bang begin. Dominie _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:00:00 - [2] Hi Aneu! ---------------
Sandwell	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:00:00 - [3] LOL TINFOIL HAT TIEM ______________________________ YON THREAD DELIVERETH
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Amthrianius Hi Aneu! As i said to Tholariam, just because im in the same corporation doesn't make me that person, Revival has quite a few people in at the moment and is going up and up as im sure you will see in the next month. Dont let your love for my CEO blind you. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Alexison Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:02:00 - [5] Hi Aneu! Quote: ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 yearsbuilding a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Revival has quite a few people in at the moment and is going up and up as im sure you will see in the next month. And like someone else said im sure it will be going up in triplicates! ---------------
Wuubaa Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Wuubaa on 07/01/2007 22:01:05 Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Amthrianius Hi Aneu! As i said to Tholariam, just because im in the same corporation doesn't make me that person, Revival has quite a few people in at the moment and is going up and up as im sure you will see in the next month. Dont let your love for my CEO blind you. Didnt you say that in your last alt thread? HI ANEU!
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Amthrianius Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Revival has quite a few people in at the moment and is going up and up as im sure you will see in the next month. And like someone else said im sure it will be going up in triplicates! Your approval is not needed, just open your eyes and notice that this corporation contains more than just Aneu, thanks. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:04:00 - [10] I always thought Revival was a one man corp anyway... Hectic waves to Aneu... Sig removed. Please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Listen to BoB Radio!!* WELCOME BACK MGRL

batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:04:00 - [11] very unexpected..
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. This intel just came in actually, and most anti-bob factions within the fountain region can confirm it. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:05:00 - [13] At least you even admit eveceo1 is your alt now Aneu. Ban evasion ftw eh? ---------------
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. This intel just came in actually, and most anti-bob factions within the fountain region can confirm it. If its true then it is at best misleading, for rather obvious reasons. The Enemy's Gate is Down
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:06:00 - [15] attention time anue :)
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Amthrianius At least you even admit eveceo1 is your alt now Aneu. Ban evasion ftw eh? If you want to speak with Aneu then convo him ingame, he is on now and is the one who gave me this intel to post, as he said it would annoy BoB, you are only confirming his knowledge of how BoB react. Additionally, expect Revival to become much more of a hindrance to bob soon :) _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:09:00 - [17] This is most saddening indeed. Rise are like goons, and it will be most saddening that they aren't in my general pvping area anymore.
Wuubaa Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Wuubaa on 07/01/2007 22:08:10 Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Amthrianius At least you even admit eveceo1 is your alt now Aneu. Ban evasion ftw eh? If you want to speak with Aneu then convo him ingame, he is on now and is the one who gave me this intel to post, as he said it would annoy BoB, you are only confirming his knowledge of how BoB react. Additionally, expect Revival to become much more of a hindrance to bob soon :) Aye well all be laughing so hard at your constant attention whoring threads well die to gate rats and crumble from internal issues.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:12:00 - [19] OMG OMG ! .. hiya anue o/
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Additionally, expect Revival to become much more of a hindrance to bob soon :) Much more as in a % increase from what you are already, whats a 10000% improvement on 0 again? ---------------

Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:14:00 - [21] Can a moderator please remove these unwanted posts please, id also appreciate warnings for those who constantly try to de-rail this thread. Thank you. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Amthrianius Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Additionally, expect Revival to become much more of a hindrance to bob soon :) Much more as in a % increase from what you are already, whats a 10000% improvement on 0 again? I think he means hes gonna do a sort of speed bump with his corpses when we come back to fountain Dread.
Fuglife TOUAREGS	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Amthrianius Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Additionally, expect Revival to become much more of a hindrance to bob soon :) Much more as in a % increase from what you are already, whats a 10000% improvement on 0 again? 3.5 _____ Hail Moderator! This be me main character!
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:16:00 - [24] hello aneu <3
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:17:00 - [25] You know, as much as I hate to admit it, BoB seems to be doing good things for a lot of disenfranchised corporations (who, presumably, they disenfranchised, but oh well). It's almost enough to make my heart sparkle. We Recruit!
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:18:00 - [26] The only proof people need is the fact bob have jumped on this thread to try and derail it. Im surprised they didn't call everyone in ER Aneu when he was in that corporation also. But anyway, this information was gotten from Rilewedge and confirmed by Vache also. RISE i hope you see the error in your ways and do not do this. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:20:00 - [27] Just in BIG has now left RISE or are in the process of doing so. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:21:00 - [28] It must be bs, RISE would never turn their backs on common sense, nor deal with the EVE common enemy. I mean why would they do that, fear? "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Sextus Licinius It must be bs, RISE would never turn their backs on common sense, nor deal with the EVE common enemy. I mean why would they do that, fear? Ask your directors for confirmation. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Blitz''Krieg on 07/01/2007 22:18:20 /waves hi anneu

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/01/2007 22:19:36 Its Aneu Funny thread. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:23:00 - [32] As far as i know its true but not all corps in Rise are going that way.
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:28:00 - [33] Edited by: Major Stormer on 07/01/2007 22:33:40 Anyway, from what ive heard theres a split in rise, some dont like it and are leaving. Weird crap whatever the **** is happening.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Major Stormer Funny how BOB is flaming rather then saying anything about the topic. Guess when you lose billions in officer mods in one go you get **ed huh. Anyway, from what ive heard theres a split in rise, some dont like it and are leaving. Weird crap whatever the ** is happening. Please refrain from useless flame, tnx "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
IcedBach Jr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:37:00 - [35] shame on Rise BOB flames FTW Hi Aneu :) Praeludium to success http://www.rampage-eternal.net/sigs/type2/IcedBach%20jr.png Now that's a long one. Though, I'm afraid the limit is indeed 400 pixels wide. -ReverendM
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:43:00 - [36] from what i heard from some rise members.. this is true, but big will not go in that direction and chose to leave.
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:43:00 - [37] Hi Aneu! (Who's he again?) ____________________________________________ EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Dave White Hi Aneu! (Who's he again?) Just this little man that keeps following us around, he reminds me alot of that monkey in the Power Puff Girls, he thinks hes evil but hes not really and he couldnt plan anything that would work against us.
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Dave White Hi Aneu! (Who's he again?) Just this little man that keeps following us around, he reminds me alot of that monkey in the Power Puff Girls, he thinks hes evil but hes not really and he couldnt plan anything that would work against us. Still no comment on the topic? _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Fuglife TOUAREGS	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:47:00 - [40] This is true. Whats with the 'Hi Annu' posts, its pretty lame. _____ Hail Moderator! This be me main character!

Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:48:00 - [41] Originally by: batloard from what i heard from some rise members.. this is true, but big will not go in that direction and chose to leave. /emote, turns his face twisted with disgust on feythabolis "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:02:00 - [42] RISE should be ashamed of itself if this is true.. guess they'll join: D-L, FIX, XELAS, Confederation of Independent Corporations Southern Cross Alliance Mercenary Coalition Horde... oh wait their not anymore.. Tribal souls.. oh their gone too.. fades with list of long names scratched off Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) I guess Feyth needed its Pe... I mean Populace or as they will be called when they get ejected, guests, with infrastructure to support their "hosts", refine tax, and a fresh new recruiting source for thier corperations to get all the best pilots from.... untill their alliace gets turned over for a new ones.. Band of Brothers have a good solid business plan & game, their member base just gotta worry about shooting stuff, while their leaders play "sim city" with all known space.. & their "guests" wander space like sheep takes notes down I wish i was more like molle myself now.... :) BL-IN site & Killboard
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:03:00 - [43] Originally by: batloard from what i heard from some rise members.. this is true, but big will not go in that direction and chose to leave. AAA? Hi Aneu!!! Been a while. Rise in the south? WTF, they were just shootin at me a week ago. More bull I bet What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Earthy	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Dave White Hi Aneu! (Who's he again?) Just this little man that keeps following us around, he reminds me alot of that monkey in the Power Puff Girls, he thinks hes evil but hes not really and he couldnt plan anything that would work against us. Mojo jojo! :D
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:08:00 - [45] Edited by: Kryztal on 07/01/2007 23:04:45 Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Dave White Hi Aneu! (Who's he again?) Just this little man that keeps following us around, he reminds me alot of that monkey in the Power Puff Girls, he thinks hes evil but hes not really and he couldnt plan anything that would work against us. Still no comment on the topic? The topic on what RISE do is of no concern to me, the topic of you trying to act important and seeking attention is too funny to skip. So no there is no "official" bob reply coming from me on the topic :P
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:14:00 - [46] I want sidthesexist & eveceo1 posting here. Just to see them not beeing banzored for beeing aneu's alts to avoid no posty status. ... tbfh, i give this new aneu alt 1 more week till it gets no posty status. Hi aneu.
Gabba Species 5618	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:16:00 - [47] No denial then? Playing SIMS with EVE, thats a pretty accurate assesment of what BoB has become I think "Banana Republic Online" sounds funnier tho
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 07/01/2007 23:13:36 Originally by: Kryztal Edited by: Kryztal on 07/01/2007 23:04:45 The topic on what RISE do is of no concern to me, the topic of you trying to act important and seeking attention is too funny to skip. So no there is no "official" bob reply coming from me on the topic :P Hi Aneu!! How you been m8? "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:21:00 - [49] Everybody say HI ANEU!!
Entilzah Valen 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) Its not easy mode. Its simply the side you appose. Your reason is the same as every other persons reason. Everyone needs to stop the pseudo-roleplaying and just say "You don't like BoB and their friends and want to shoot them" No need to blow 88 forms of smoke up peoples asses.

Ilmonstre Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:29:00 - [51] you can say whatever you want about aneu, but it seems he was right so him being a fanboy or not doesnt matter. and i bet they didnt wanted this to coem out yet and now it is
Taladorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:34:00 - [52] Gosh Aneu, It must be great being you. Do you log all the alts in at the same time and talk to yourself in the Aneu Sekrit channel and tell yourself how great your e-peen is ? waves
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:34:00 - [53] I heard this yesterday. I really didn't think RISE would do it. OH well, their mistake --Imperium--
Scared Mofo Minmatar Diamonds inc.	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Scared Mofo on 07/01/2007 23:40:12 Originally by: Entilzah Valen Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) Its not easy mode. Its simply the side you appose. Your reason is the same as every other persons reason. Everyone needs to stop the pseudo-roleplaying and just say "You don't like BoB and their friends and want to shoot them" No need to blow 88 forms of smoke up peoples asses. R U some kind of BoB luber? As far as I know Outbreak fights BoB not sustain them. Outbreak slap this guy 4 me, ktnx! Keep backing up muppetry, it says much about yourself. I predict your application to BoB soon. [EDIT] Oh Hi Aneu
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Scared Mofo Edited by: Scared Mofo on 07/01/2007 23:40:12 Originally by: Entilzah Valen Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) Its not easy mode. Its simply the side you appose. Your reason is the same as every other persons reason. Everyone needs to stop the pseudo-roleplaying and just say "You don't like BoB and their friends and want to shoot them" No need to blow 88 forms of smoke up peoples asses. R U some kind of BoB luber? As far as I know Outbreak fights BoB not sustain them. Outbreak slap this guy 4 me, ktnx! Keep backing up muppetry, it says much about yourself. I predict your application to BoB soon. [EDIT] Oh Hi Aneu lol awwwww so if anyone doesnt agree with all the anti-bob fanboism you need to ask to have them slapped ? Cute but sad :P
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:49:00 - [56] It's really quite an interesting move, bring in alliances from afar and have them lose all credibility in the face of the community and then when it's time to regulate again BoB can steamroll these guys as no-one would rally to save the puppets.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:51:00 - [57] I hate all this Hi Aneu crap. If aneu wasn't banned he might be posting this with his main. As for his reputation I judge people on what has happened while i have interacted with them, not because of their reputation spewed by the bandwagon crue. At worst for me , aneu was high maintence. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:51:00 - [58] This Aneu guy has the biggest fan base EVER. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Toppar Wear on 07/01/2007 23:58:59 Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Can a moderator please remove these unwanted posts please, id also appreciate warnings for those who constantly try to de-rail this thread. Thank you. LOL First off, this is what your third attempt at circumventing your permaban? Second of all you original post is pure flame bait, laced with more trolling than the LOR trilogy. Third and lastly, you never post for a mod to do anything, you email them. However, everyone but the dimmest light (see you) knows that your thread is going be locked because of very nature of it. cya anue Why should it get locked, it really isnt because the OP made a flamebait but because of all the flames by some entities... It is valid intel, i have seen some posts far more "flamebaitish" like didnt get locked.
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Can a moderator please remove these unwanted posts please, id also appreciate warnings for those who constantly try to de-rail this thread. Thank you. LOL First off, this is what your third attempt at circumventing your permaban? Second of all you original post is pure flame bait, laced with more trolling than the LOR trilogy. Third and lastly, you never post for a mod to do anything, you email them. However, everyone but the dimmest light (see you) knows that your thread is going be locked because of very nature of it. cya anue I think you should re-check what has been written by me, none of it is flames. As for more trolls than the LOR trilogy (which i think you mean LOTR) they are Orcs, not trolls, as for your third comment, it has been done and no this post wont be locked due to flames, it might be locked due to a BoB hijack possibly, but i hope the mods see what is happening and take appropriate measures. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.

Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:03:00 - [61] Originally by: Plim This Aneu guy has the biggest fan base EVER. Maybe you should go recruit him then. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Scared Mofo Minmatar Diamonds inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Scared Mofo Edited by: Scared Mofo on 07/01/2007 23:40:12 Originally by: Entilzah Valen Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) Its not easy mode. Its simply the side you appose. Your reason is the same as every other persons reason. Everyone needs to stop the pseudo-roleplaying and just say "You don't like BoB and their friends and want to shoot them" No need to blow 88 forms of smoke up peoples asses. R U some kind of BoB luber? As far as I know Outbreak fights BoB not sustain them. Outbreak slap this guy 4 me, ktnx! Keep backing up muppetry, it says much about yourself. I predict your application to BoB soon. [EDIT] Oh Hi Aneu lol awwwww so if anyone doesnt agree with all the anti-bob fanboism you need to ask to have them slapped ? Cute but sad :P Ah cmon give me some credit here will ya'. Anti-bob fanboism is a great self-inducted placebo to a succesfull cure against prostate problems, not that you would care about that :P is a man thing
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:07:00 - [63] Edited by: Vince Draken on 08/01/2007 00:05:39 Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Can a moderator please remove these unwanted posts please, id also appreciate warnings for those who constantly try to de-rail this thread. Thank you. LOL First off, this is what your third attempt at circumventing your permaban? Second of all you original post is pure flame bait, laced with more trolling than the LOR trilogy. Third and lastly, you never post for a mod to do anything, you email them. However, everyone but the dimmest light (see you) knows that your thread is going be locked because of very nature of it. cya anue I think you should re-check what has been written by me, none of it is flames. As for more trolls than the LOR trilogy (which i think you mean LOTR) they are Orcs, not trolls, as for your third comment, it has been done and no this post wont be locked due to flames, it might be locked due to a BoB hijack possibly, but i hope the mods see what is happening and take appropriate measures. Sorry anue, my LOTFR accuracy is off. Glad you could correct me on that. Now please prove you aren't anue. Because I am sure a few days old character can be so versed with 0.0 life. I could go make an alt and ask in the corp channel of any starter corp and I bet nobody could tell me anything about RISE and their politics. Please come destroy bob now kthx. Add: Could you blame anyone who lives in the Outer Rings from moving to a real 0.0 region that atually has abundent resources? Maybe you can go retake OR with Imperium, or do they hate you now too? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Plim This Aneu guy has the biggest fan base EVER. Maybe you should go recruit him then. I don't think we could handle anymore groupies than we already have. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:10:00 - [65] Originally by: Plim Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Plim This Aneu guy has the biggest fan base EVER. Maybe you should go recruit him then. I don't think we could handle anymore groupies than we already have. That's a shame. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Can a moderator please remove these unwanted posts please, id also appreciate warnings for those who constantly try to de-rail this thread. Thank you. LOL First off, this is what your third attempt at circumventing your permaban? Second of all you original post is pure flame bait, laced with more trolling than the LOR trilogy. Third and lastly, you never post for a mod to do anything, you email them. However, everyone but the dimmest light (see you) knows that your thread is going be locked because of very nature of it. cya anue I think you should re-check what has been written by me, none of it is flames. As for more trolls than the LOR trilogy (which i think you mean LOTR) they are Orcs, not trolls, as for your third comment, it has been done and no this post wont be locked due to flames, it might be locked due to a BoB hijack possibly, but i hope the mods see what is happening and take appropriate measures. Sorry anue, my LOTFR accuracy is off. Glad you could correct me on that. Now please prove you aren't anue. Because I am sure a few days old character can be so versed with 0.0 life. I could go make an alt and ask in the corp channel of any starter corp and I bet nobody could tell me anything about RISE and their politics. Please come destroy bob now kthx. As iv said, i have nothing to prove to anyone here. As for my political knowledge, well iv played eve with a number of characters lately, iv only just made this character and decided to keep it as iv sold two others. But less explaining from my side... answer the original post with a constructive reply or don't reply at all, thank you. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Vince Draken Could you blame anyone who lives in the Outer Rings[red. RISE] from moving to a real 0.0 region that atually has abundent resources? Is this a official BOB statement that Anue was right ? If he was right in the first place then why all the "hey anue" posts ?
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:15:00 - [68] Originally by: Toppar Wear Originally by: Vince Draken Could you blame anyone who lives in the Outer Rings[red. RISE] from moving to a real 0.0 region that atually has abundent resources? Is this a official BOB statement that Anue was right ? If he was right in the first place then why all the "hey anue" posts ? I don't speak for anyone but me. Nice try though. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:20:00 - [69] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Toppar Wear Originally by: Vince Draken Could you blame anyone who lives in the Outer Rings[red. RISE] from moving to a real 0.0 region that atually has abundent resources? Is this a official BOB statement that Anue was right ? If he was right in the first place then why all the "hey anue" posts ? I don't speak for anyone but me. Nice try though. You kmow i had to try.. maybe next time
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 RISE should be ashamed of itself if this is true.. guess they'll join: D-L, XELAS, Confederation of Independent Corporations Southern Cross Alliance Mercenary Coalition Horde... oh wait their not anymore.. FIX ... they where resurected , once equals and +ve , they killed em Tribal souls.. oh their dead.. fades with list of long names scratched off Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) I guess Feyth needed its Pe... I mean Populace or as they will be called when they get ejected, guests, with infrastructure to support their "hosts", refine tax, and a fresh new recruiting source for thier corperations to get all the best pilots from.... untill their alliace gets turned over for a new ones.. Band of Brothers have a good solid business plan & game, their member base just gotta worry about shooting stuff, while their leaders play "sim city" with all known space.. & their "guests" wander space like sheep takes notes down I wish i was more like molle myself now.... :) Nice post Lack of comment of RISE members is interesting, but i'm sure they will make their own announcement on this issue like any alliance that respects itself. Nice going for those off-topic funny replies that hijacked the thread. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"

Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. no it is correct info. its been common knowledge for a couple of days atleast. just a bottomfeeder thinking he was first in knowing. hi aneu. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:26:00 - [72] as always - respect for BIG. rest of rise which is going there - rofl
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. no it is correct info. its been common knowledge for a couple of days atleast. just a bottomfeeder thinking he was first in knowing. hi aneu. Considering it was decided earlier on i doubt that very much. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:35:00 - [74] Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/01/2007 00:32:05 With the new year, some things are becoming clearer for the EVE populace at large. If your alliance is not prepared to pursue pvp excellence or mould itself on a spartan military ethos, then you will never make it on your own two feet in 0.0 space. With this realisation comes some choices. Move to empire or move to some area of 0.0 where your military will not be put to the ultimate test. Such entities will find it hard to refuse BoB offers to live in their conquered territories. More announcements of this kind from sub-par alliances around EVE, should surprise nobody. Some alliances just wanna mine in peace... BoB has managed to convince them that they will be able to do just that in the land that they own.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:54:00 - [75] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/01/2007 00:32:05 With the new year, some things are becoming clearer for the EVE populace at large. If your alliance is not prepared to pursue pvp excellence or mould itself on a spartan military ethos, then you will never make it on your own two feet in 0.0 space. With this realisation comes some choices. Move to empire or move to some area of 0.0 where your military will not be put to the ultimate test. Such entities will find it hard to refuse BoB offers to live in their conquered territories. More announcements of this kind from sub-par alliances around EVE, should surprise nobody. Some alliances just wanna mine in peace... BoB has managed to convince them that they will be able to do just that in the land that they own. Oh is that so, well if BoB can assure they can mine in peace well, they must be right. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:55:00 - [76] Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. no it is correct info. its been common knowledge for a couple of days atleast. just a bottomfeeder thinking he was first in knowing. hi aneu. Considering it was decided earlier on i doubt that very much. apparently you and your corp didnt know this but i knew a few days ago as did alot of others. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:58:00 - [77] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 07/01/2007 21:58:50 lol? This is either very bad intel or very misleading. I am going to guess the former. no it is correct info. its been common knowledge for a couple of days atleast. just a bottomfeeder thinking he was first in knowing. hi aneu. Considering it was decided earlier on i doubt that very much. apparently you and your corp didnt know this but i knew a few days ago as did alot of others. What I'm saying is, you couldn't have known since it wasn't decided a few days ago, it was decided earlier on yesterday (the day i made this post). _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:10:00 - [78] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Oh is that so, well if BoB can assure they can mine in peace well, they must be right. Ofc whether they will be able to mine in peace or not is open for debate. Nevertheless... the sum of 3 bil isk a month has been circling around the forums as the fee for an alliance in the ex-ASCN territories. BoB has managed to convince said alliances that they will be able to cover that and more. An alliance who's only interest is to make isk (the purpose of which escapes me) might do the sums and go for it. It really depends on what you play EVE for. Some alliances play EVE just so that they can line their wallets, others play EVE solely to 'hang out' with their mates in a safe environment. For these kind of alliances holding down 0.0 space on their own is an unatainable goal (seeing as military excellence is low on the agenda), thus the "BoB offer" will be appealing. I believe we are going to see a two-tier society evolve with those that are willing to put the elbow grease in, holding and claiming 0.0 space, and those that are not renting from them. This is not new ofc, but the scale of it will be unprecedented at least in the short to medium term.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:12:00 - [79] If its true sorry rise im loosing all of my left resepct , selling your soul and pride for good region , so sad. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Lucci Caldari Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:16:00 - [80] I guess nowadays you do anything to save your alliance. I find it funny that not so long ago the members of RISE were ordered to put the following into their bios. "HORRIBLE DEATH TO: B.O.B. XELAS RONIN and all who fly with them" I would say 'good luck', but I don't think you're going to find any more of that in Feythabolis than you did in OR/Syndicate.

Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:16:00 - [81] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 08/01/2007 01:13:25 nvm.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:18:00 - [82] Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 Band of Brothers have a good solid business plan & game, their member base just gotta worry about shooting stuff, while their leaders play "sim city" with all known space.. & their "guests" wander space like sheep takes notes down I wish i was more like molle myself now.... :) yep very smart and well executed plan of eve dominance, you gotta admire BOB for this ... The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:25:00 - [83] Wow, this thread looks like fun. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:32:00 - [84] Edited by: Great Guardian on 08/01/2007 01:28:28 I am actually glad that this happened. 18 years old Vache (Resurrection member and official RISE diplomat) and part of Sturmgrenadier leadership accused me of being BoB spy and one of the reasons was that I was too much anti-BoBà ROFL NOW IT IS CLEAR WHO IS BOBÆs LAPDOG AND WHO HAS NO HONOR!!! My highest respect for BIG and BIGAA. Those guys have earned their reputation for a good reason. What happened with AVES (CEO of JAZZ corporation)? Just few weeks ago he stated that for historic reasons and internal corp friction Jazz would never follow this path. What happened with SOULIE (co-CEO of PROMO corporation)? She would never ôsell her soul for piece of skyö. What happened with RILEWEDGE (CEO of Resurrection corporation)? He stated (also few weeks) ago that Vache should look for new corp if he ever again suggests allegiance with BoB? I cannot believe that RILEWEDGE and DHAN will bend over. /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:32:00 - [85] Annue Thread + CELES memebers and ex members arguing about his Dribbel = LOOOOOOOOOL THIS THREAD DELIVERS carry on plz "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:33:00 - [86] yep cant believe sturmgrneadier ,promo and dhan will go on with this. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Scared Mofo Minmatar Diamonds inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Lucci I guess nowadays you do anything to save your alliance. I find it funny that not so long ago the members of RISE were ordered to put the following into their bios. "HORRIBLE DEATH TO: B.O.B. XELAS RONIN and all who fly with them" I would say 'good luck', but I don't think you're going to find any more of that in Feythabolis than you did in OR/Syndicate. QFT, if u can't kill them, join them. I mean it is better to be alive and tribute-paying-mining-muppet than defeated and scavenging for food in empire with your pride intact. Is ok to trade your pride, is not like you can touch it or anything, is like selling wind to slave on for BoB. Is a good deal, they shoud take it. There are some people that are not afraid to fight for their space, but not so many. Join the Muppetry, choose life and make some little isk in the process. Go Feyth with hope renewed!
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:51:00 - [88] Oh the drama. Maybe they're really out to get into one of our new regions in order to setup shop there, build up their own infrastructure and then turn on us?! Or not... Truth is, your hatred of us has blinded you. For shame. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:26:00 - [89] lol wow, look at all the bob haters go. Why do you care if its true or not ? Its not like your lil Anti-BoB coalition is going anywhere .. oh wait its all in preperation ! I think some people should focus more on their own corps/alliances and stop obsessing about BoB and who lives in our space etc. There is fun out there people, just need to reach for it.
Ilmonstre Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:29:00 - [90] i suppose they can look forward to the ganksquads from neighbouring alliances who are not friends of BOB. have mucho fun in paying the rent ooh and if they feel they need to do this to keep the fun in this game then go for it as i hope thats like the reason for people to actually play and not just having a grudge and playing to get even eventho its not even fun.

Ilmonstre Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Kryztal There is fun out there people, just need to reach for it. she said it people and i fully agree here.
JackCo Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:36:00 - [92] Edited by: JackCo on 08/01/2007 02:33:50 Edited by: JackCo on 08/01/2007 02:33:20 In most threads containing bob forum warriors you can allways find some member mentioning the fact that the majority of eve do not like bob. Maybe because these posts can be found so often people really start believing that bob is ebil. Then those folks inspired also by the many many people that went before them will post all sorts of comments which in turn gives some bob forum warriors the need to post yet another standard issue: "you all hate us" followed by the explanation why: "this is so because it is so" post. The lines that follow after that are also in most cases rather fimiliar. I - as a reader - allways sense the feeling best described as "bob does not care what you think of them and if you do hate them then that simple fact gives them pleasure". Or Maybe i just need to go to sleep now
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:41:00 - [93] Speaking on the behalf of BIG and BIGAA I'll confirm that we're leaving RISE. I won't comment on any of the other things being said here. However, I will say that I will miss many of my old long time friends. It was great flying with you. We all just need to remember that the only constant in life is change. We need to learn to make the best of the cards that we're dealt. Good luck RISE, see you around. Recruitment
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:17:00 - [94] Originally by: Kryztal lol wow, look at all the bob haters go. Why do you care if its true or not ? Its not like your lil Anti-BoB coalition is going anywhere .. oh wait its all in preperation ! I think some people should focus more on their own corps/alliances and stop obsessing about BoB and who lives in our space etc. There is fun out there people, just need to reach for it. Yet to see a post from you that even approachs the same region as the OP. Stop talking about yourself. Why does anyone care if this is true? Why does anyone care if anything on this forum is true. Good way to spot if is might be. Look at the percentage of attempted BoB derailments, including this one. Spam the topic with nonsence and then go 'zomg, stop obbsezing abuot BoB!!!11". Quite frankly, noone could give a ** who's alt he is, if anyones at all. He had intel, he shared, he was right, now everyone go 'For shame'. Originally by:** Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
Voltaire Leriel Minmatar BIG R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:23:00 - [95] Quote: What happened with SOULIE (co-CEO of PROMO corporation)? She would never ôsell her soul for piece of skyö. I hate to speak for her, but Soulie and PROMO are also leaving RISE over this. RISE was full of good friends, but they have chosen to go down a path that we cannot follow. Our ways must part here, and only meet again on the battlefield in time. _________________________________________________________ BIG Corporation Website
kasabian78	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:41:00 - [96] From my view RISE have made a good decision on leaving OR. The region is weak in profit and RISE may look too big to be in there. I heard they have succeded in defending there space very well and have displayed billions worth of investment and destruction towards another alliance, who were eventually pushed out. There aint many alliances out there that have a lot of respect for BOB and admire what they have created, yet they set them red. RISE is at least one of them by the looks of it and turning the table like that just only shows some real GUTS! BOB may show a lot of arrogance on these forums but they have a right too i feel with all the fingers pointing at them. Good luck to RISE :)
Paltar Evil Bandit Organisation	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:51:00 - [97] So RISE struck a deal with the devil for a bigger piece of the virtual pie. whats new in that... its pretty much a given for human nature. fair play to em to be honest... regardless you look to your alliance and corp first as a leader.. if RISE can build a stronger home off the back of BOB's clearout then it can only do them good despite people's malevolance.... 90% of it will be people ****ed they didn't get handed some funky "BoB residency Program" shackles. I never really understood the irrational fear or hate of BoB, i've fought em a few times... was fun.. they fight hard but they didn't seem invulnerable nor did their presence in local wither the souls of small children nearby due to their unspeakable evil. BoB play to win... this is a good thing? - surely infact the point of it all? RISE took a smart opportunity? gambling is what makes it all worth while... we'll just have to wait to see the payout in time - if they swap OR for Fey then they might find the new scenery and people makes them bigger, faster, stronger and fresher.... or they're memory will be buried there when it goes wrong. If they made a BoB residency shackle that would fit over my ego i'm sure i'd take one too... or at least think about it for a moment When Choosing between two Evils, I prefer to try the one i've never done before.
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:01:00 - [98] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio This is most saddening indeed. Rise are like goons, and it will be most saddening that they aren't in my general pvping area anymore. Funny. I have looked at your own killboards, and RISE seem to have a very high effeciency against you guys. And if I remember, RISE helped you in dealing with the goons, and then you repay their help with this backstabbing behavior....but that's typical of D2 it seems.
Ramuh BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:08:00 - [99] Originally by: Solwolf Speaking on the behalf of BIG and BIGAA I'll confirm that we're leaving RISE. I won't comment on any of the other things being said here. However, I will say that I will miss many of my old long time friends. It was great flying with you. We all just need to remember that the only constant in life is change. We need to learn to make the best of the cards that we're dealt. Good luck RISE, see you around. Reform AFDT Bring back FA!!!
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:09:00 - [100] Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio This is most saddening indeed. Rise are like goons, and it will be most saddening that they aren't in my general pvping area anymore. Funny. I have looked at your own killboards, and RISE seem to have a very high effeciency against you guys. And if I remember, RISE helped you in dealing with the goons, and then you repay their help with this backstabbing behavior....but that's typical of D2 it seems. QFT.

Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:37:00 - [101] wts crappy region. starting bid, 5mil. evemail solwolf for details --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:46:00 - [102] Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio This is most saddening indeed. Rise are like goons, and it will be most saddening that they aren't in my general pvping area anymore. Funny. I have looked at your own killboards, and RISE seem to have a very high effeciency against you guys. It's easy, a gank squad goes to Rise regions and ends completly blobed to death, we are not complaining, when you go deep in enemy region you risk that. Last time that my corp engaged Rise, our gang ended fighting 13 vs +50 (including lots of Bs), guess what happened ???
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:47:00 - [103] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Quite frankly, noone could give a **** who's alt he is, if anyones at all. He had intel, he shared, he was right, now everyone go 'For shame'. You must be quite powerful to speak for the whole community. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:52:00 - [104] Originally by: DeadDuck It's easy, a gank squad goes to Rise regions and ends completly blobed to death, we are not complaining, when you go deep in enemy region you risk that. Last time that my corp engaged Rise, our gang ended fighting 13 vs +50 (including lots of Bs), guess what happened ??? i didnt get any killmails? :( --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Soulie principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:54:00 - [105] Good eve folks. I see someone spoke for me. I have not asked for that at all; I am all grown up (once again i say this?) and can speak for myself and when PROMO needs, I will speak for them. I am so not gonna get into a "**** hit the fan" stuff with you folks. What PROMO descides to do is our own buisness. What RISE descides to do might be our business too. PROMO is still RISE and will be that till we call it otherwise. I will tell you this; I respect the lot of you and I am not about to tell you here on forums how we are gonna play our game. RISE knows our loyalties so does BIG. Soulie
Mancen	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:57:00 - [106] It's easy, a gank squad goes to Rise regions and ends completly blobed to death, we are not complaining, when you go deep in enemy region you risk that. Last time that my corp engaged Rise, our gang ended fighting 13 vs +50 (including lots of Bs), guess what happened ??? The same thing that happened to Ronin in OR?
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:21:00 - [107] It's easy to sit in NPC stations and harrass passerbies when you outnumber them and dock when you are outnumbered. It doesn't matter how elite your PvP force is when you are outnumbered and outgunned. Sure you can do hit & run, duck & weave, and other such guerrilla tactics, but you won't be able to actually defeat and push out a more powerful fleet and you won't be able to actually build anything significant. You have to actually be big enough to face massive fleets with massive firepower in order to hold onto anything you build in 0.0. Guerrilla tactics are not enough for that. All it's good for is some nuisance PvP. For some people that is enough. Send out your little PvP gankfleets from your NPC stations, pop a few lone ships, maybe takedown a little gang here and there, and then go home. Rinse and repeat. If things are too hot or you lose too much isk maybe they go back to empire: do some trading, some manufacturing, mission running, check out exploration or COSMOS complexes, and then come back for some fights when they get bored. Fine, I know a lot of people really enjoy that. But for some people they actually want to build something more, something genuinely significant. In order to do that they need vast resources and in turn you need relationships to gain access to those resources because 0.0 is controlled by many, many, very powerful alliances. Unless you already happen to have vast resources it is pretty much impossible to get a foothold in 0.0 without those relationships, which is something of a Catch-22. That is the reality of trying to build an alliance in 0.0.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:21:00 - [108] Edited by: DeadDuck on 08/01/2007 06:18:02 NVM
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio This is most saddening indeed. Rise are like goons, and it will be most saddening that they aren't in my general pvping area anymore. It wil be a hot winter i am sure u wil get new pvp targets
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:38:00 - [110] Originally by: Kryztal lol awwwww so if anyone doesnt agree with all the anti-bob fanboism you need to ask to have them slapped ? Cute but sad :P hubris.

Shaa Ku Amarr Black Knight Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:54:00 - [111] Looks like BOB is going to do the same thing as D2 have done in the north for ages now. Take space --> OMG so many posses to handle --> give region to a friendly alliance --> Live peace Everyone know that the biggest reason the whole north is at peace is becose al the alliances up here knows that if they do anything D2 will stomp them on the nuts as they are the most powerful alliance up here. And many of them know that they have there space thanks to them. Now BOB is doing the same thing. Oh the horror.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:06:00 - [112] Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/01/2007 09:07:27 Originally by: Shaa Ku Everyone know that the biggest reason the whole north is at peace is becose al the alliances up here knows that if they do anything D2 will stomp them on the nuts as they are the most powerful alliance up here. And many of them know that they have there space thanks to them. Now BOB is doing the same thing. Oh the horror. Thats a ridiculous statement. The northern alliances may be napped to eachother. And yes D2 has the biggest clout, but the northern alliances hold their own space. They have their name on Joshua's map, which despite what anybody says, is important for morale, identity and for recruitment purposes. The northern alliances can with all honesty say they are in complete control of their surroundings, holding Conquerable Stations and Outposts, able to build whatever they wish. They are light years ahead of alliances like FIX or Xelas, which live on somebody else's land. I'm not even gonna compare the new tenants in the ex-ASCN territories who will actually be paying rent. The relationship the northern alliances have with eachother is much healthier and more conducive to independent growth than the tenant <> landlord relationship BoB works on. To state otherwise is just a big fat lie. The Northern alliances are full sovereign entities, whereas the BoB tennants are not. Therein lies the key.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:16:00 - [113] Originally by: Kryztal lol wow, look at all the bob haters go. Why do you care if its true or not ? Its not like your lil Anti-BoB coalition is going anywhere .. oh wait its all in preperation ! I think some people should focus more on their own corps/alliances and stop obsessing about BoB and who lives in our space etc. There is fun out there people, just need to reach for it. well i could agree if it was a new allaince, with no history with bob. But Rise was saying for ages BOB is THE ENEMY of the free world of Eve, so its a clear sell out in this case. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:22:00 - [114] Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 07/01/2007 23:17:34 RISE should be ashamed of itself if this is true.. guess they'll join: D-L, XELAS, Confederation of Independent Corporations Southern Cross Alliance Mercenary Coalition Horde... oh wait their not anymore.. FIX ... they where resurected , once equals and +ve , they killed em Tribal souls.. oh their dead.. fades with list of long names scratched off Who are all playing in "easy mode" .. Military and Politicly, the list used to be longer, but alot of them, got their standings reset over time, after all the good people where recruited into bob lite ;) I guess Feyth needed its Pe... I mean Populace or as they will be called when they get ejected, guests, with infrastructure to support their "hosts", refine tax, and a fresh new recruiting source for thier corperations to get all the best pilots from.... untill their alliace gets turned over for a new ones.. Band of Brothers have a good solid business plan & game, their member base just gotta worry about shooting stuff, while their leaders play "sim city" with all known space.. & their "guests" wander space like sheep takes notes down I wish i was more like molle myself now.... :) Easy mode? lol These posts are pathetic, if BOB suck so much and are so evil why don't you yourself try and get rid of them... That's right, cause your scared? You want someone else to do it? Pwnage PvP Recruitment
Hull Cleaver Caldari Mala Fide Corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:27:00 - [115] The original poster claims this is intel? Where did he get it....the back of a cereal box? 2007.01.07 22:07 2007.01.07 22:01 Victim: fartos Alliance: R i s e Corp: Serenity of EvE Destroyed: Condor System: JKJ-VJ Security: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Niobe Xenos (laid the final blow) Security: 0.1 Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Black Eclipse Corp Ship: Rapier Weapon: 650mm Artillery Cannon II Destroyed items: Warp Core Stabilizer I Initiated Warp Jammer I Maybe you should pass the box to them....lol Commander HullCleaver Mala Fide CEO
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:12:00 - [116] Originally by: j0sephine "Here is RISE's new master ... and who they'll be dealing with.." Apologies for pointless quoting, but that Dian picture was just too friggin' funny... ^^; Yeah, i bust a gut with giggle when i saw it. Hats off to the artist ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.08 23:56:00 - [117] bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:02:00 - [118] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise. Uhm....how can Rise hijack a thread about Rise? ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Baymm	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:12:00 - [119] Careful Vache. You might confuse him with logic. Baymm RISE
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:23:00 - [120] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Doddy Edited by: Doddy on 08/01/2007 18:31:41 Edited by: Doddy on 08/01/2007 18:31:05 Edited by: Doddy on 08/01/2007 18:30:50 Originally by: Serilla Originally by: Geno Side well tell me what are incorrect and i stand corrected untill you do i consider myself right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon This is probably the time to point out that Napoleon was not actually French, but Corsican. Corsica is France's... Like California is part of US, Wales part of UK. What is the matter with frenches here, just to know ? What french bashing have to be in a thread that will be readden really closely by the frenches, atm ? Keep on speaking about politics please and stop writting bs. kthxbye Well when napoleon was born, corsica was under french military occupation having been taken over 2 years b4, so i really dont think he thaught of himself as french, would u? (especially as his father fought for corsican freedom fighters for a bit) However it was not my intention to "French bash" so i appologise if this FACT bothers you particularly. As a student of history i do of course know that France was the military force in Europe for a long time. What worries me is the fact that u dont realise people who do French bash do so just to get a BS reaction like u did so they can laugh at u. kthxbye p.s. sorry for off-topic

Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.09 01:32:00 - [121] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise. o.0 Wow 0.o
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:01:00 - [122] Edited by: Rikeka on 09/01/2007 01:57:18 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn bump Strange how Bob and Rise are trying to hijack the topic. Rise starts allready to act as a buckler... cu in neighborhood, Rise. It`s a thread that directly involves them AND BoB. How can they hijack their own thread? It`s 3bn per corp? Or 3bn per alliance? And they have ownership of the stations? But BoB dictates who they can let in? Sorry, dunno about how this really is. -/-
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:34:00 - [123] I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 02:46:00 - [124] I was just thinking of that. But they should be fine for the following weeks (till AAA gets bored again).
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:48:00 - [125] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Myadra Here is RISE's new master ... and who they'll be dealing with.. Just got the idea, cause of Band Of Brothers own banners :) Anyway, I stand by what i said earleir, and others who do, such as darth solo, this games getting pretty dumb, with one power running everything.. they even got the best merc corp in their pockets.. can't beat that... but it seems like a good time for us smaller alliances possibly to unite together & stop it before its too late ;) Ok fine this game is dumb. Quit the game and dont forget to take darth with ya on the way and go to a better place , no one is tieng you or him to play and there are 100000 more ppl are happy with the game. Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Faiith	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:49:00 - [126] i realise something today, eve is closer to real life then people want to accept. Everyone hates the biggest, best and most powerful, eve hates BoB as much as the rest of the world hates the U.S. my hat goes off to BoB for playing the political game as well as the military game.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Myadra Here is RISE's new master ... and who they'll be dealing with.. Just got the idea, cause of Band Of Brothers own banners :) Anyway, I stand by what i said earleir, and others who do, such as darth solo, this games getting pretty dumb, with one power running everything.. they even got the best merc corp in their pockets.. can't beat that... but it seems like a good time for us smaller alliances possibly to unite together & stop it before its too late ;) Ok fine this game is dumb. Quit the game and dont forget to take darth with ya on the way and go to a better place , no one is tieng you or him to play and there are 100000 more ppl are happy with the game. Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. very good post Sextus. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:52:00 - [128] Originally by: Faiith i realise something today, eve is closer to real life then people want to accept. Everyone hates the biggest, best and most powerful, eve hates BoB as much as the rest of the world hates the U.S. my hat goes off to BoB for playing the political game as well as the military game. I dont hate BOB.I dont like tough the way they are shaping Eve, also got a problem with their attitude so i fight them. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:14:00 - [129] Edited by: Baymm on 09/01/2007 04:15:27 Utterly priceless to see so many corps come here whining about how BOB is horrible for Eve. Yet surprisingly (sarcasm btw) every single one of your corps would replicate what BOB has done but for the fact you have not been able to do it. Quite interesting to see people talk about morality all the while shooting neutrals in space like they are ducks at the carnival. Do you honestly even read your own posts? They stink of double talk and moral relativist nonsense. This is a game folks, now repeat that 10 times until you fully grasp it. The "chatty cathy" drama has to go as well. I am beginning to think your corps are full of 80 year old women who are looking for another nag-fest. Are you playing eve or trying to find a quiet night away from bingo? No life and death decisions are being made in this game. Shocking as this might sound, Eve is not the real world. Now shut your pie hole and get back to having fun in the game. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:24:00 - [130] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Is not about that man, is all about keeping a ballance in the force for the sake of this game. BoB since its conception was always a well oiled war machine and an uncontested winner in the pos wars and the only entity that could bring it to them was G / IRON. As everyone knows ASCN was the key factor in GIRON's demize with their countless camping hours and pilots. Now ASCN was crushed by their former allies and D2 is just a shadow of what once was. I think its pretty naive to expect BoB to worry about the 'balance' in the game. Furthermore it could be argued that BoB actually promote balance and stability. It sounds crazy... but let me explain. One can argue that BoB have refined playing the territorial conquest game to an artform, in doing so they are actually performing a service to the community. I.e by emulating them, one can achieve what they achieve and in doing so it would be possible to forge several BoB-type entities with their level of efficiency but with different flavours, as no entity is identical it is impossible. It has been mentioned elsewhere (I believe on the CLS thread in reference to Chronx {sp?}) that BoB absorbs all the best pilots ... this may be the case.... but its only because if you are one of the best pilots of your generation there is only one entity able to provide a proper home for you, if you are interested in teh alliance side of things. If there had been another entity able to match BoB's appeal, then Chronx might have gone somewhere else. Having established that BoB aren't doing anything wrong per se... if EVE starts to become unbalanced, who is to blame? Well I'll quote the rest of your post to explain that... Quote: The point is that former ASCN regions cannot be fully occupied by a few BoBs. To complete their victory they still need muppet-buffer-slave alliances to produce isk for them so they can achieve their complete hegemonic monopolystic domination goals. I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. If EVE becomes unbalanced... there are two parties to blame. (1) alliances willing to accept a life of slavery or puppetry/muppetry, e.g. BoB tennants. (2) The other 0.0 alliances who refuse to see that the BoB model is the most efficient 0.0 framework there is at this current stage of evolution in EVE. If EVE falls out of balance, BoB is not to blame... the rest of us are. They can't help it if there are alliances out there lame enough to live as tennants in a game and they can't help it if other 0.0 alliances refuse to adapt their modus operandi to compete on a level footing with BoB. P.S - I'm going to say that there is however one exception to the current 0.0 alliances... AAA... they are the one group that has mangaged to close the gap between BoB and the rest of EVE. I believe they are a real alternative to Robert. (The only mark against them is their un-wholesome rep in terms of pvp style.) Possibly RA also, but they are simply not an inclusive alliance.. i.e its Russian speaking. D2 and LV are still subscribing to the quantity > quality motto.. and its a known fact that it simply does not work, in the long run.

Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:41:00 - [131] Edited by: Rikeka on 09/01/2007 04:38:27 That`s not really fair, Nez. LV is currently weakened because of their long war. And D2... well, we have to see what they can do on a more serious war (meaning their current one probably does not fully show what they can do). AAA fought well, as far as I can tell. And they can muster huge numbers in their TZ. As for RA, yeah. But we have to admit never give up, which is a huge bonus.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:51:00 - [132] Edited by: Nez Perces on 09/01/2007 04:48:20 Originally by: Rikeka That`s not really fair, Nez. LV is currently weakened because of their long war. Perhaps they are ... but until recently they had 3000 bodies on their roster, now 2600. One has to wonder how much of that is dead weight.. and D2 is close on their heels with 2200. Funnily enough BoB isn't far behind with 1800 or so. The real question is which alliance has the highest participation rates.. i.e online alliance number vs active participation in alliance operations? And the answer is probably gonna be BoB, AAA, RA in that order. Would BoB have cleared RA out by now... I think they would have.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:55:00 - [133] Originally by: Sextus Licinius I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. People posting rhetoric like the above is what ruins EVE. Like calling yourselves anti-pirates by doing the same thing that pirates do. Or kind of like inviting corporations that wouldn't stand a chance on their own to live under your guidance and protection in Fountain. The only difference is that you're not charging ISK for it. Here are the five obvious reasons why: 1. CELES cares about image and moral highground. It would be difficult for EVE to see you as the good guys playing the rebel-fights-empire game if you started a protection racket. You're forgoing income to look good; which is cute and everything. But there is no afterlife in EVE and darth isn't Mother Teresa, so the only reason the core CELES leadership is scared of looking evil is because they spent too much time denouncing it (m0o vs CELES anyone?). This is why CELES uses an alt corp to pirate innocents, right? 2. You can't sell what you don't own, and you don't own what you didn't take. The transfer of conquerable stations represents a tangible asset that doesn't depend on the hours of the day where BoB isn't the dominant presence. Its value also comes from the massive effort required in building/capturing it - as opposed to squatting where all others have squatted before and shouting "mine!". If you tried to sell NPC station access, people would laugh at you. 3. The lack of costs makes your deal sound more attractive than BoB's to some corporations. Even if you don't benefit economically, you benefit politically because you get to create doubts in peoples decision-making process. Only your residents are being promised protection that you can't provide as a corporation. Whenever BoB shows up to purge the region of unwanteds every couple months, the size of the EVE playerbase that becomes disillusioned with your war grows larger. 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. When that happens you can't complain whenever BoB brings a big fleet, or insult the quality of BoB's memberbase. But remaining small leads to coverage problems, so inviting outsiders to be in Fountain Core on your behalf is the next best thing. They get to cover timezones and systems you can't, and if they die it doesn't matter because Celest will maintain a cleaner ratio on BoB. If they complain, you kindly remind them that you're not charging them to be your meatshields/pets/slaves and spare yourself any public embarassments. 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. So take your slave rhetoric and cram it. EVE doesn't need more people whining about BoB and pointing blame on everyone but themselves.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:00:00 - [134] Edited by: Earthan on 09/01/2007 06:04:11 Edited by: Earthan on 09/01/2007 05:57:25 very well written post of total bull****. We are free to do whatever we want in fountain.( see there is the difference freedom and independance, tough nto sure if you undersnad those concepts) Celest never promised protection nor was it expected or sought, we enjoy fighting. Dont talk to me about morale highground when bob does the same propagande before each invasion to gain it.And yes we are on morale highround at least in the fact that we dont pirate and oppose BOB hegemony , wich is obvios bussiness of all free 0.0 allainces/corps. And i agree in your assemsemnt why Celest invited us , good for them to come up with such smart plan , good for us cause we have fun and nice region.All parties gain except for por bob.Celest was clear from start and honest.Kudos to them. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:09:00 - [135] Myadra, Galavet says the answer is still no and to stop bothering him on IRC. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:12:00 - [136] Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:15:00 - [137] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory. well nice arguments against mine, pointing out typos, you are so smart The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:17:00 - [138] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan Drivel Three edits, and you still end up sounding like any one of the people living in our regions. My condolences to your theory. well nice arguments against mine, pointing out typos, you are so smart Nice reading comprehension, because I didn't.
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:22:00 - [139] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. so shooting poses with dreads is fun now? afik thouse people were invited to make isk not fight, its their choice weather to do so and can leave at anytime, no one is holding a gun to their head telling them to stay.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:23:00 - [140] whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:24:00 - [141] Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Hi Earthan Blog
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:30:00 - [142] Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Thanks for the compliment, newbie.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:32:00 - [143] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Hi Earthan Hi Black.You know me my feelings toward BOB are complicated The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:34:00 - [144] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. Thanks for the compliment, newbie. exactly what i meant.Calling me newbie not even knowing me. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:33:00 - [145] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 07:30:21 Originally by: Doddy Well when napoleon was born, corsica was under french military occupation having been taken over 2 years b4 Originally by: Doddy This is probably the time to point out that Napoleon was not actually French Sorry, you may be an history looser :)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 09/01/2007 04:15:27 Utterly priceless to see so many corps come here whining about how BOB is horrible for Eve. Yet surprisingly (sarcasm btw) every single one of your corps would replicate what BOB has done but for the fact you have not been able to do it. Quite interesting to see people talk about morality all the while shooting neutrals in space like they are ducks at the carnival. Do you honestly even read your own posts? They stink of double talk and moral relativist nonsense. This is a game folks, now repeat that 10 times until you fully grasp it. The "chatty cathy" drama has to go as well. I am beginning to think your corps are full of 80 year old women who are looking for another nag-fest. Are you playing eve or trying to find a quiet night away from bingo? No life and death decisions are being made in this game. Shocking as this might sound, Eve is not the real world. Now shut your pie hole and get back to having fun in the game. No. The problem is you just don't know what is the problem in the South-West, Bob asks you the do the buffer and you reply "Yes-yes my Lord". that is the only problem I see. Now you can think whatever you want, you will have problems with both LV and RAGoons there because the politics involved here are about the complexity of an irl naughty conflict. Bob just only see a very instable region just next to them, and don't want to border them. No matter what you think, Feyth will be a buffer. Whoever will live in will be not be safe (the winning side from LV/RaGoon will probably try to invade this one, the loosing side to escape by there).
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:27:00 - [147] Originally by: Red Six Myadra, Galavet says the answer is still no and to stop bothering him on IRC. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:11:00 - [148] Originally by: Mancen Whats wrong with maken ISK down south? Anything any more "morally disturbing" than claiming all this "anti-bob" crap while watching them blast apart another neighboring alliance? (while you farm ISK) Theres nothing wrong with making isk down south at all, lots of people do it - though the ones purely interested in isk don't seem to last too long. The more interesting part of all this is how your alliances party line has changed - from spewing all this anti-bob rhetoric, allying with as many anti-bob entities as you can and generally considering them the source of all that is evil in this sandbox world we inhabit. How you wanted death to BOB and all who fly with them and all that. Its refreshing to see you saying you just want to get rich - I don't see it as morally disturbing.. its probably the first honest thing I've seen a RISE say in a while. It is that that makes this far more amusing and interesting than the MWA thread about basically the same thing, the lighting fast turnaround in alliance stance in the face of arkanor. The two days of frantically pulling towers down and evacuating from OR even faster than you ran from CR while shouting over your shoulders about how hard you are does quite suit you though. I'm sure you'll get to do it again soon too. I think you finally achieved what you wanted though. You talked like ASCN. You fought like ASCN. You spammed towers like ASCN. You NAPed like ASCN. You deluded yourself ASCN. Now you can finally play at being ASCN, for a small monthly fee. Congrats
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:56:00 - [149] /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits, we are going to met as soon as ur new towers are up. This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Njoy the ride. Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire.
Nikerym Selugion Gallente AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:13:00 - [150] Edited by: Nikerym Selugion on 09/01/2007 11:10:22 oooh, a bob bashing thread..... bleh, F1, F2, F3 (if you go that high!) > BOB bashing rumor has it your comming north BOB? Polishes the nose of his shiny Vaelator II, while eyeing off the Civilian Gattling Gun II FUN TIMES!

Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:32:00 - [151] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits The days of the Hobbit are over, we have entered the Bobbit era. Predict their fate by Googleing "bobbit" yourselves. Ouch! Hide those kitchen knives guys.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:15:00 - [152] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire. The fact that we have already had first hand experience with how D2 treats its supposed allies and friends definetely influenced RISE's decision. The general sentiment was that being blue with BoB was hard to swallow, but siding with D2 again was out of the question. I am sure that many of your former allies feel the same these days. PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:24:00 - [153] Edited by: Plutoinum on 09/01/2007 12:26:11 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Why d2, one of the biggest alliances and the ones who have almost the whole north as allies and already enhancing that friend/allie list fears to get blobbed, is a riddle to me. You have the numbers, the isk, the equipment, what else do you want ? CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Sextus Licinius I still struggle to understand how can alliances accept a life of slavery from an idependent state. If you want a region just fight for it, don't slave for it thus accepting you are just a weaker muppet in the shadow of a powerfull alliance, ffs is like admitting you lost by default. People posting rhetoric like the above is what ruins EVE. Like calling yourselves anti-pirates by doing the same thing that pirates do. Or kind of like inviting corporations that wouldn't stand a chance on their own to live under your guidance and protection in Fountain. The only difference is that you're not charging ISK for it. Here are the five obvious reasons why: 1. CELES cares about image and moral highground. It would be difficult for EVE to see you as the good guys playing the rebel-fights-empire game if you started a protection racket. You're forgoing income to look good; which is cute and everything. But there is no afterlife in EVE and darth isn't Mother Teresa, so the only reason the core CELES leadership is scared of looking evil is because they spent too much time denouncing it (m0o vs CELES anyone?). This is why CELES uses an alt corp to pirate innocents, right? 2. You can't sell what you don't own, and you don't own what you didn't take. The transfer of conquerable stations represents a tangible asset that doesn't depend on the hours of the day where BoB isn't the dominant presence. Its value also comes from the massive effort required in building/capturing it - as opposed to squatting where all others have squatted before and shouting "mine!". If you tried to sell NPC station access, people would laugh at you. 3. The lack of costs makes your deal sound more attractive than BoB's to some corporations. Even if you don't benefit economically, you benefit politically because you get to create doubts in peoples decision-making process. Only your residents are being promised protection that you can't provide as a corporation. Whenever BoB shows up to purge the region of unwanteds every couple months, the size of the EVE playerbase that becomes disillusioned with your war grows larger. 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. When that happens you can't complain whenever BoB brings a big fleet, or insult the quality of BoB's memberbase. But remaining small leads to coverage problems, so inviting outsiders to be in Fountain Core on your behalf is the next best thing. They get to cover timezones and systems you can't, and if they die it doesn't matter because Celest will maintain a cleaner ratio on BoB. If they complain, you kindly remind them that you're not charging them to be your meatshields/pets/slaves and spare yourself any public embarassments. 5. Finally, if you started charging ISK you'd have a visible economy/industry (whatever you want to call it), that is highly vulnerable and out of your control. This makes it taboo among CELES leadership - kind of like running POS, using dreadnaughts, building ships, and doing all that good stuff which makes this game better than a mindless FPS - and consequently a game CELES doesn't know how to play. So take your slave rhetoric and cram it. EVE doesn't need more people whining about BoB and pointing blame on everyone but themselves. I can't believe you just accused someone of posting rhetoric, then went on to spend god knows how much of your time writing that complete nonsense. It boggles the mind. Some serious laugh out loud moments in that tirade. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:39:00 - [155] Originally by: ArcticFox I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). Hi Rise!
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:45:00 - [156] Judging by your dumbstricken reply, you must be hurting. Are you hurting, Plim? Deep inside? I would be too, if three months of my existance was negated by five minutes of typing. They say laughter is the best medicine.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:47:00 - [157] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal CELES WANTS TO STEAL YOUR BODILY FLUIDS! WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH WHHHYYY?>??>??? This is your next post? ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:50:00 - [158] Nice dignity, we'll take it.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:52:00 - [159] I suppose you need to get some from somewhere, after you lost it all posting that baseless nonsense earlier. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:52:00 - [160] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal 4. Mass recruiting and inflating your corp with mediocre pvpers would make your corp look less elite. Alternatively, all the really good pvpers could split off and form an even more elite group? On an unrelated topic, how is TAOSP getting on?

Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:56:00 - [161] Originally by: darth solo we have known this for a while. what a bunch of cowards. lets all nap BOB so u dont need to fight them. EVE is a joke game. does anyone like a challenge?. d solo. 90% of the eve players just wanna fill their pockets, nothign else matter, isk grind = +10 epic sword grinding Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:13:00 - [162] Just gotta say, nice sig BlackLight
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:42:00 - [163] I hate bob
AmunRaa Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:49:00 - [164] Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :)
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:53:00 - [165] Originally by: AmunRaa Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :) Hi lordchaos hiding behind alts for posting = lack of stones. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
AmunRaa Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:02:00 - [166] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: AmunRaa Originally by: Gibmundur I hate bob LOL GIB :) Hi lordchaos hiding behind alts for posting = lack of stones. None of your dam business :)
GT Maximus Ascent of Ages R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:30:00 - [167] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: ArcticFox I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). Hi Rise! Hi AAA!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:20:00 - [168] Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? I'd say they're doing pretty damn well, tbh, how about you? Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:20:00 - [169] Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/01/2007 15:18:06 Would just like to address the most scathing part of Arenis post in an honest fashion. I should probably just leave it but you seem like a reasonable person. When Celes set about inviting friendly corporations to Fountain a few very important things were stressed repeatedly; 1. If the fighting starts Celes would prefer if you didn't get involved. 2. If you do want to fight you fight at your own risk, there is no offer of protection or guarenteed involvement on Celes behalf. 3. If you are attacked, Celes will respond as they are able, why? Because Celes are here to fight for entertainment. I suggest you listen to your own alliance leadership and stop subscribing to conspiracy theories, there isn't one. The rest of your post is fundamentally correct, Celes enjoy roleplaying the good guys in the loosest sense. Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. They'll fight you because they hate what you are in game, they won't give up so long as darth has anything to say about it. So I suggest you stop psychoanalysing ulterior motives and play this piece of entertainment software a bit more.
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:32:00 - [170] Edited by: Kinsy on 09/01/2007 15:29:11 Originally by: Plim Originally by: Arenis Xemdal CELES WANTS TO STEAL YOUR BODILY FLUIDS! WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THE TRUTH WHHHYYY?>??>??? This is your next post? Plim is ace. You, sir, seem to think we offered Fountain to people as a business proposition. We asked them to come to:- 1. Make isk 2. Kill off Xelas in core 3. **** you off Mission accomplished, see you in space. On topic: Nice to see the RISE carebears taking the easy way out once again.

Shaydin Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:44:00 - [171] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/01/2007 15:18:06 Would just like to address the most scathing part of Arenis post in an honest fashion. I should probably just leave it but you seem like a reasonable person. When Celes set about inviting friendly corporations to Fountain a few very important things were stressed repeatedly; 1. If the fighting starts Celes would prefer if you didn't get involved. 2. If you do want to fight you fight at your own risk, there is no offer of protection or guarenteed involvement on Celes behalf. 3. If you are attacked, Celes will respond as they are able, why? Because Celes are here to fight for entertainment. I suggest you listen to your own alliance leadership and stop subscribing to conspiracy theories, there isn't one. The rest of your post is fundamentally correct, Celes enjoy roleplaying the good guys in the loosest sense. Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. They'll fight you because they hate what you are in game, they won't give up so long as darth has anything to say about it. So I suggest you stop psychoanalysing ulterior motives and play this piece of entertainment software a bit more. Good post .....
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:47:00 - [172] Originally by: Kinsy On topic: Nice to see the RISE carebears taking the easy way out once again. And this is the saddest part of all -- Sturmgrenadier had been friends with CELEST for as long as they've been in Fountain. We fought long and hard against BoB -- from the first day they entered Delve, nearly to the day we left Aridia for OR (and even a few skirmishes after that.) Believe me, RISE is not full of carebears -- SG has become a PVP machine, IMNSHO, and it was a blast flying with them. RISE had the spirit for the most part, no matter what you read here from their detractors. I just can't follow them this time, and am sad to leave Sturmgrenadier after 2 incredible years. <-- Corp not displayed, awaiting expiration of roles. Should show me as "State War Academy" for the foreseeable future.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:55:00 - [173] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ...
M0RPH Amarr Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:59:00 - [174] i am a carebear, thx
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:06:00 - [175] This thread is funny. Everything is only looked one sided. I am glad you all think only one way. Rise is going to do more than any of you others have ever dreamed about. Also to the D2 and others saying they are going have fun with their new neighboors. I am glad you like playing on easy mode. Step up the the real challange and come see us. I am sure we can give you what you want. Ohh wait you dont want a challange so yeah stay where you are and proclaim your uberness. Cause we can never lower our selfs to your level. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:15:00 - [176] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Was that a challenge? Oh I do hope so!
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:32:00 - [177] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 /me jumps around like a lil kid Welcome new hobbits, we are going to met as soon as ur new towers are up. This is the begining of the end of rise. Soon u will see ur few good pvpers disapear towards delve, then u will be used to blob someone, mostly likeley d2 and then u will get what most of the bob allies got - betrayel. Oh and did someone from AAA already got over to give u a warm welcome? Njoy the ride. Finaly bob land looks like d2 with loads of buffers around, just that ur so called allies have to pay for being close to you and that u as soon as molle is fed up with u that u end up in empire. I disagree. Bob is not the usual alliance that disbands just because they would have lost a war, even if it involved all their south territory. A single system is somehow easy to defend when you are surrounded 5v1. Bob are 1800 people "not usual players" so they can't loose the south and get back to Empire : 5v1 is around 10000 guys vs them, maybe 15000 for this elite ally. Rise is just the third party Bob just throw in the middle of LV/RaGoon, and it's really easy to understand why : organize more mess here so our side is completly un-united. Then Bob come back and pewpew middle sized alliances that remains, grab a few more 0 region and still whine because nobody loves them. It can't fail because LV are not going to ally Ragoons which would mean the first time a bob plot fails. Just be at their place and choose : who do you want to avoid to be at war : west or east (Bob owns one of EVE's cardinal poitn atm) ? Then move the buckler south of there. The thing I just don't understand is moving Rise here will shatter the Rose so no buckler for next move. To Bob whining like "booo, nobody loves us, we're seen as the evil of Eve", I'd reply 1 - I though true Evil guys were RaGoons so don't comply, 2 - actually guess why nobody loves you, you old nearly 1/4 of the 0.0 ressources of Eve, hey.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:45:00 - [178] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:44:46 Originally by: ponieus This thread is funny. Everything is only looked one sided. I am glad you all think only one way. Rise is going to do more than any of you others have ever dreamed about. Also to the D2 and others saying they are going have fun with their new neighboors. I am glad you like playing on easy mode. Step up the the real challange and come see us. I am sure we can give you what you want. Ohh wait you dont want a challange so yeah stay where you are and proclaim your uberness. Cause we can never lower our selfs to your level. Please no, you're the elite... Come get lag first here please :) Are you serious ? Do you realize moving a pet here is like a war proposal to each side of the conflict and any side or both could react to this ? You must be kidding, or Bob need the fall of Rise to do something... Taking the West maybe. Remember you're installing a alliance on a ex-allied of LV so they could try to avenge/defend what remains of them. You're also moving a pet next to the Black Evil of Dark Sorrow of the Badness of Eve aka the Ragoons, we may pewpew them just to play. Everyside would have the motivation to shoot them. Pretending to be behind them is not what would stop some of us to shoot them so you need their fall. The fall of the Rose.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:55:00 - [179] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:55:52 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/01/2007 17:55:36 Originally by: welsh wizard Eve needs someone to oppose BoBs will at every turn no matter how hopeless it may seem. Bob got so many hardcore player + so many ressources that nobody wants. Easy as that. Only "grande gueules" (err... Big mouthes ?) players here (just like me). (edit) The question is : what will Bob do when all the 0 is blue ? Attack Empire alliances by tanking and paying Concord ? I mean they acheive 1/4 of their dream now. And nobody wants to end this.
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:04:00 - [180] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Was that a challenge? Oh I do hope so! No it wasnt a challenge just a big laugh ... I think that if you have a sense of humour you will laugh to, or do you really think that is true ? Maybe if you, one of the top and most respectfull BOB pvp players say the same I might believe. Can you and your 14 mates take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win ?

Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:20:00 - [181] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Well, well, well. A member of the PVP wing of Omega Enterprises, G's former industrial corp, is trying to smack us. I see you joined DAB on 19 January 2006, by that time BoB had already vacated JU- and the north. This leads me to conclude that you have never fought us in any conflict of scale. I find it somewhat funny that you come onto these boards proclaiming you know what we are capable of. I'm willing to bet even WOTANKN is ashamed of you and your posts. Please don't come on here thinking you know anything about BoB. You don't, at best you know what your masters in CE and ASW have told you about us. Have fun in your PVP wing. --------------------
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:26:00 - [182] Oh god, now you've gone and done it, the Emo-ness will be horrific. .... Playing EVE on easy mode since May 2003.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:10:00 - [183] Originally by: DeadDuck No it wasnt a challenge just a big laugh ... I think that if you have a sense of humour you will laugh to, or do you really think that is true ? Maybe if you, one of the top and most respectfull BOB pvp players say the same I might believe. Can you and your 14 mates take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win ? Without wishing to sound egotistical, quite frankly I do. I wouldn't say this if I thought we could but I believe our past achievements speak for themselves. We've fought whole alliances and I'm sure any one of them will be happy to back up our pvp credentials. Pvp is not entirely about numbers, numbers are a means to an end, you require a certain number of pilots to make a certain tactic work, some corps throw numbers at people and trust in the strength of the blob, we are the anti-blob, low numbers, high risk combat. If it was just 15 random, average pvp'ers I might've been inclined to join you in your chuckle but I think it's fair to say that isn't the case. You're entitled to disagree but as I've said, our record speaks for itself.
Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:22:00 - [184] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Oh god, now you've gone and done it, the Emo-ness will be horrific. This thread has reached a critical mass of emo ... BL-IN site & Killboard
Bannion Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:14:00 - [185] Well, I think its yet another master-tactic by BOB, they "talked" RISE into moving down into the mess thats left down there 10/10 for that one They have as much chance as lasting down there as we do this weekend fighting entire BOB/Xelas/mercs fleet thats coming to wipe us out And I hate to agree with some BOB guys here, but I wish a few more Alliances would grow some "Tech2 Balls" and take the fight to BOB for a change, getting fed up of reading how everybody thinks BOB's taking over everything but wont do anything about it. Lets jump on the Bandwagon and go get RISE for siding with BOB when its BOB you really should be going after Have fun guys its just a game.............. Quote: Kinsy - "BoB change positions more often than Rocco Sifredi."
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:34:00 - [186] Edited by: ponieus on 09/01/2007 20:31:36 Edited by: ponieus on 09/01/2007 20:30:57 Originally by: Bannion And I hate to agree with some BOB guys here, but I wish a few more Alliances would grow some "Tech2 Balls" and take the fight to BOB for a change, getting fed up of reading how everybody thinks BOB's taking over everything but wont do anything about it. Lets jump on the Bandwagon and go get RISE for siding with BOB when its BOB you really should be going after Have fun guys its just a game.............. dont agree with us cuase the bandwagon might target you guys next.. its funny you say alliances's.. cause from everyone on these boards it suppose to only take one.. -----------------------------------------------
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:46:00 - [187] Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? -->-->... errr ok ... Well, well, well. A member of the PVP wing of Omega Enterprises, G's former industrial corp, is trying to smack us. I see you joined DAB on 19 January 2006, by that time BoB had already vacated JU- and the north. This leads me to conclude that you have never fought us in any conflict of scale. I find it somewhat funny that you come onto these boards proclaiming you know what we are capable of. I'm willing to bet even WOTANKN is ashamed of you and your posts. Please don't come on here thinking you know anything about BoB. You don't, at best you know what your masters in CE and ASW have told you about us. Have fun in your PVP wing. I wasnt speaking about BOB ...
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:48:00 - [188] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: DeadDuck No it wasnt a challenge just a big laugh ... I think that if you have a sense of humour you will laugh to, or do you really think that is true ? Maybe if you, one of the top and most respectfull BOB pvp players say the same I might believe. Can you and your 14 mates take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win ? Without wishing to sound egotistical, quite frankly I do. I wouldn't say this if I thought we could but I believe our past achievements speak for themselves. We've fought whole alliances and I'm sure any one of them will be happy to back up our pvp credentials. Pvp is not entirely about numbers, numbers are a means to an end, you require a certain number of pilots to make a certain tactic work, some corps throw numbers at people and trust in the strength of the blob, we are the anti-blob, low numbers, high risk combat. If it was just 15 random, average pvp'ers I might've been inclined to join you in your chuckle but I think it's fair to say that isn't the case. You're entitled to disagree but as I've said, our record speaks for itself. Ok, is your corp and you knwow better then anyone what your corp can do or not.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:03:00 - [189] Originally by: Morris Falter Originally by: ArcticFox I'm sure RISE is going to love their new neighbors (takes a look at Impass). Hi Rise! Hands off popeye, we saw them first "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:32:00 - [190] Originally by: Myadra Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Oh god, now you've gone and done it, the Emo-ness will be horrific. This thread has reached a critical mass of emo ... Emo is one step below transvestite.. or so it goes Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.

ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:41:00 - [191] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/01/2007 00:32:05 With the new year, some things are becoming clearer for the EVE populace at large. If your alliance is not prepared to pursue pvp excellence or mould itself on a spartan military ethos, then you will never make it on your own two feet in 0.0 space. With this realisation comes some choices. Move to empire or move to some area of 0.0 where your military will not be put to the ultimate test. Such entities will find it hard to refuse BoB offers to live in their conquered territories. More announcements of this kind from sub-par alliances around EVE, should surprise nobody. Some alliances just wanna mine in peace... BoB has managed to convince them that they will be able to do just that in the land that they own. Ironically with triple A next door probably about the worst place they could try to do.... still I suppose triple A will have fun mining RISE hulls.
Gonrada Futar Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:20:00 - [192] Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. See, now thats the part of bob I personaly Love the most. There a bit****y at times, which is flipping Funny as hell. They kick ass... /thinks of ASCN war... ok understatement but w/e right I mean they back what they say up. and I mean I have put more time in reading the forums' "Bob" threads then I have in game... oh well RISE made a smart move... period. Congrats is what I say. now I gotta get back to mining Veld. before the "Masters"* whip me again
Rynshy Wartoro Vervicon Investments	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:24:00 - [193] go shooting or mining no point in flaming
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:42:00 - [194] Originally by: Gonrada Futar Originally by: Earthan whatever, you are the typical example of the side of BOB i dont like very much, waste of time discussing with you. See, now thats the part of bob I personaly Love the most. There a bit****y at times, which is flipping Funny as hell. They kick ass... /thinks of ASCN war... ok understatement but w/e right I mean they back what they say up. and I mean I have put more time in reading the forums' "Bob" threads then I have in game... oh well RISE made a smart move... period. Congrats is what I say. now I gotta get back to mining Veld. before the "Masters"* whip me again /signed thanks for making me spill the coffe on my display through my nose. Welcome to your new family RISE and a traditional good luck in your future endeavors. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
TornSoul BIG	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:03:00 - [195] Should be "safe" to post on page 8? As the topic says, BIG has indeed parted ways with RISE. The reasons should be obvious. We say goodbye to alot of good and old friends. Sad and surprising to see so many of them chosing this path - But each to his. Can't really wish you good luck, as we will now be more or less on opposing sides (by ascociation). Some personal friendships will never be lost though - Even if we one day might end up shooting at each other. Thanks for the good times we had. BIG Lottery [u
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.01.10 00:32:00 - [196] Originally by: TornSoul Should be "safe" to post on page 8? As the topic says, BIG has indeed parted ways with RISE. The reasons should be obvious. We say goodbye to alot of good and old friends. Sad and surprising to see so many of them chosing this path - But each to his. Can't really wish you good luck, as we will now be more or less on opposing sides (by ascociation). Some personal friendships will never be lost though - Even if we one day might end up shooting at each other. Thanks for the good times we had. I am sure BIG will do well in OR, as well as Promo I believe are also staying? Perhaps they will form a new alliance. The reality is that RISE, as an alliance, would not really be able to survive the coming war between D2 and BoB. Maybe a few core corps would've stuck around, continuing to fly the RISE banner, trying to wait out the confict; but the constant presence of massive D2 and BoB fleets would've led to many individual members and corps fleeing. Not to mention it's a poor region to begin with and there's nowhere worthwhile nearby they had a shot of being able to expand to. The region is only really suited for a handful of corps or a small/medium alliance.
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 03:07:00 - [197] Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Faiith i realise something today, eve is closer to real life then people want to accept. Everyone hates the biggest, best and most powerful, eve hates BoB as much as the rest of the world hates the U.S. my hat goes off to BoB for playing the political game as well as the military game. I dont hate BOB.I dont like tough the way they are shaping Eve, also got a problem with their attitude so i fight them. Youve given some good fights in the fountain area. Its been fun.
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:46:00 - [198] Originally by: Aeryn Davenport Originally by: TornSoul Should be "safe" to post on page 8? As the topic says, BIG has indeed parted ways with RISE. The reasons should be obvious. We say goodbye to alot of good and old friends. Sad and surprising to see so many of them chosing this path - But each to his. Can't really wish you good luck, as we will now be more or less on opposing sides (by ascociation). Some personal friendships will never be lost though - Even if we one day might end up shooting at each other. Thanks for the good times we had. I am sure BIG will do well in OR, as well as Promo I believe are also staying? Perhaps they will form a new alliance. The reality is that RISE, as an alliance, would not really be able to survive the coming war between D2 and BoB. Maybe a few core corps would've stuck around, continuing to fly the RISE banner, trying to wait out the confict; but the constant presence of massive D2 and BoB fleets would've led to many individual members and corps fleeing. Not to mention it's a poor region to begin with and there's nowhere worthwhile nearby they had a shot of being able to expand to. The region is only really suited for a handful of corps or a small/medium alliance. Yeh go go BOB
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:55:00 - [199] Originally by: Bizarre Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Mariko San ...how is TAOSP getting on? The 15 pilots that can take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win? Not every fight is like the EVE tournament you know :) I mean, no warp disrupt bubbles no jammin' no "get out of x range and automatically die" no "even points on each size to engage a fight" I still respect TAOSP at least... TWD, he learned me to bump industrials in ceptors! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:21:00 - [200] Originally by: Omeega Not every fight is like the EVE tournament you know :) I mean, no warp disrupt bubbles no jammin' no "get out of x range and automatically die" no "even points on each size to engage a fight" Imagine how **ty it must be losing a fight where you go in knowing all the conditions before hand eh? oh wait, you don't have to imagine. Pain is meant to be felt**

Buzee Flight Of Fantasy	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:40:00 - [201] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: DeadDuck No it wasnt a challenge just a big laugh ... I think that if you have a sense of humour you will laugh to, or do you really think that is true ? Maybe if you, one of the top and most respectfull BOB pvp players say the same I might believe. Can you and your 14 mates take on pretty much any single corporation in this game, and win ? Without wishing to sound egotistical, quite frankly I do. I wouldn't say this if I thought we could but I believe our past achievements speak for themselves. We've fought whole alliances and I'm sure any one of them will be happy to back up our pvp credentials. Pvp is not entirely about numbers, numbers are a means to an end, you require a certain number of pilots to make a certain tactic work, some corps throw numbers at people and trust in the strength of the blob, we are the anti-blob, low numbers, high risk combat. If it was just 15 random, average pvp'ers I might've been inclined to join you in your chuckle but I think it's fair to say that isn't the case. You're entitled to disagree but as I've said, our record speaks for itself. Quite true, but don't delude yourself to far , ur abilities are respected, seeing as ur self declared BOBL33t, nice to know BOB has bobl33t and bobbits so to speak. 15 hsp players can do a lot but only so much, EVE has grown to have a highly large number of talented players, BE can say the same as u do so does KIA, so does a lot of small tight outfits. No flame intended but ur not speshul anymore :P
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:49:00 - [202] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Omeega Not every fight is like the EVE tournament you know :) I mean, no warp disrupt bubbles no jammin' no "get out of x range and automatically die" no "even points on each size to engage a fight" Imagine how ****ty it must be losing a fight where you go in knowing all the conditions before hand eh? oh wait, you don't have to imagine. But lucky me EVE has nothing to do with pre-arranged fights - wich is something you still seem to not understand Juan. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:06:00 - [203] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Omeega Not every fight is like the EVE tournament you know :) I mean, no warp disrupt bubbles no jammin' no "get out of x range and automatically die" no "even points on each size to engage a fight" Imagine how **ty it must be losing a fight where you go in knowing all the conditions before hand eh? oh wait, you don't have to imagine. But lucky me EVE has nothing to do with pre-arranged fights - wich is something you still seem to not understand Juan. Yeah cause all we do is pre arranged fights. You missed the jibe at your alliance on the previous comment... but it's ok you 'd be more fussed and your reply would have been even more random if you had not. Pain is meant to be felt**
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:43:00 - [204] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Omeega Not every fight is like the EVE tournament you know :) I mean, no warp disrupt bubbles no jammin' no "get out of x range and automatically die" no "even points on each size to engage a fight" Imagine how ****ty it must be losing a fight where you go in knowing all the conditions before hand eh? oh wait, you don't have to imagine. But lucky me EVE has nothing to do with pre-arranged fights - wich is something you still seem to not understand Juan. Yeah cause all we do is pre arranged fights. You missed the jibe at your alliance on the previous comment... but it's ok you 'd be more fussed and your reply would have been even more random if you had not. I didn't say you only did pre-arranged fights - I said you gave them too much importance. I've already greated TWD for his Championship wining - so there's no point in going in that direction. TOASP can't kill any corp in EVE, that was my point. Because winning a championship isn't winning in EVE. Is that clear enough for you? I can take some time and make you a keynote file to make it clearer. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:08:00 - [205] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 10/01/2007 11:05:27 Originally by: Omeega I didn't say you only did pre-arranged fights - I said you gave them too much importance. I've already greated TWD for his Championship wining - so there's no point in going in that direction. TOASP can't kill any corp in EVE, that was my point. Because winning a championship isn't winning in EVE. Is that clear enough for you? I can take some time and make you a keynote file to make it clearer. I think what Juan's trying to say is "you don't know what you're talking about", because you clearly don't. The tournaments are largely irrelevent and have no bearing on any of the claims made by any of our members, k? Anyway, less chit chat and more pew pew.
venimous Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:31:00 - [206] As an outsider, id assume that since bob and d2 are going to war and rise are between d2 and bob then it stands to reason they were approched by both sides and asked to join them against the other. It also stands to reason that both bob and d2 would not accept rise staying nutral after all if ur war zones in the middle of rise teritory bob and d2 arnt just gonna watch as rise carry about there business. So stuck between a rock and a hard place what would you choose?
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:04:00 - [207] Edited by: Buxaroo on 10/01/2007 12:03:33 Edited by: Buxaroo on 10/01/2007 12:02:51 Originally by: venimous As an outsider, id assume that since bob and d2 are going to war and rise are between d2 and bob then it stands to reason they were approched by both sides and asked to join them against the other. It also stands to reason that both bob and d2 would not accept rise staying nutral after all if ur war zones in the middle of rise teritory bob and d2 arnt just gonna watch as rise carry about there business. So stuck between a rock and a hard place what would you choose? I understand your logic, but for one thing: I don't think D2 came to RISE for friendship. D2 used RISE to kill goonies and then they backstab them with the YouWhat thing. And then set RISE to neutral. That was pretty stupid of D2. They could have had a very strong ally in RISE, or in their minds eye a meatshield if you want to get cynical. If you knew the history of RISE and SGHQ and REZ, you would never have guessed they would side with BoB. But that just goes to show you how totaly ****ty D2 must have been in their relationship to RISE. D2 are nothing but backstabbers. Period.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:12:00 - [208] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion I think what Juan's trying to say is "you don't know what you're talking about", because you clearly don't. The tournaments are largely irrelevent and have no bearing on any of the claims made by any of our members, k? Anyway, less chit chat and more pew pew. Haha ok, nvm then. Pardon my weak knoweldge of the english language. Anyways, Juan knows that, by flying with him in Nemesis, he still has my entire love at his disposal. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:32:00 - [209] Originally by: venimous So stuck between a rock and a hard place what would you choose? In reality, RISE was never stuck like this and trying to make it look so is highly speculative and against all common sense. It would have been a perfectly sane choice to simply stay in Outer Ring and defend it against intruders. Even in the relatively unlikely case that BoB or D2 chose it as a staging point for attacks, it would have been wiser for the attacker to NAP RISE temporarily in order to not weaken or just occupy his attacking force by engaging RISE, or even to force RISE to join the other side by attacking them. In any case, a direct attack on Outer Ring was highly unlikely, although it was often cited as a reason why we would have to side with one party or the other, by those who simply liked those options. PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Raul necrobie Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:18:00 - [210] I ( and COLSUP ) was an Fountain alliance member for two years, i fought BoB and Xelas every day with REZ and BIG... I can't believe RISE will do it ... i am ashamed. Raul. Tau Ceti Federation Video.

Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:24:00 - [211] Originally by: dan drorgar It would have been a perfectly sane choice to simply stay in Outer Ring and defend it against intruders. Under the assumption that must alliances want to build a home somewhere leaving outer ring isnt all that suprising. Its a horrible region. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:37:00 - [212] And here's what happens as soon as they miss a payment: http://youtube.com/watch?v=h5HP8H-Jvoc Be Chaotic Neutral
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:58:00 - [213] Originally by: Porter Hadlend And here's what happens as soon as they miss a payment: http://youtube.com/watch?v=h5HP8H-Jvoc Nah not really.. They will kick their ass, find new pets and give them a -10. But its one funny clip
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:00:00 - [214] Yeah I just wanted the actual fight sequence itself really... ;) Be Chaotic Neutral
Fallen Buckshot Amarr Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:18:00 - [215] Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 10/01/2007 If you knew the history of RISE and SGHQ and REZ, you would never have guessed they would side with BoB. But that just goes to show you how totaly ***ty D2 must have been in their relationship to RISE. D2 are nothing but backstabbers. Period. Yup that pretty much sums it up imho.*
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:46:00 - [216] Originally by: Raul necrobie I ( and COLSUP ) was an Fountain alliance member for two years, i fought BoB and Xelas every day with REZ and BIG... I can't believe RISE will do it ... i am ashamed. Raul. Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. RISE do whatever they want to do, Jesus, it's a game. ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster in the hand.
Raul necrobie Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:00:00 - [217] Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. And Fire' my dear french friend, Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Tau Ceti Federation Video.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:15:00 - [218] Originally by: Raul necrobie Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Jesus was a messenger of god, so he will get back to you with a message from SirMolle in short order. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Fafer Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:21:00 - [219] Originally by: Raul necrobie Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. You can now sell your soul in Eve? You really take all this too serious. Keep you soul near your real life family and friends m8. This is game and you're supposed to have fun.
Icarius	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:22:00 - [220] let check bob killboard after 2 year, every day, raul killed 1 bob gratz \o/

Raul necrobie Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:31:00 - [221] Edited by: Raul necrobie on 10/01/2007 18:29:25 Originally by: Icarius let check bob killboard after 2 year, every day, raul killed 1 bob gratz \o/ PS : and so, my post are just humoristic, Dianabolic answer win Tau Ceti Federation Video.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:55:00 - [222] Originally by: Buxaroo If you knew the history of RISE and SGHQ and REZ, you would never have guessed they would side with BoB. But that just goes to show you how totaly ****ty D2 must have been in their relationship to RISE. D2 are nothing but backstabbers. Period. That really hit the nail on the head. Nicely put Buxaroo ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:09:00 - [223] i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what they want. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:20:00 - [224] Originally by: Raul necrobie Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. And Fire' my dear french friend, Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Sell your soul? WTF are you babbling about? So if I join the wrong alliance, I am going to hell? Do you even realize how pathetically stupid you sound? "Father, forgive me for I have sinned." "What did you do, my son?" "I joined the wrong alliance in Eve." Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:26:00 - [225] Originally by: Baymm "Father, forgive me for I have sinned." "What did you do, my son?" "I joined the wrong alliance in Eve." ROFL! So, guess i should make an official announcment about this to keep the forums a fun place? ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:27:00 - [226] Not selling your soul really. But you are buying your (temporary) prosperity from BoB. Trusting BoB is foolish. It's like giving half your lunch money to the playground bully hoping they'll leave you enough for a sandwich. Next week they'll want the other half. I believe the proper term for it in European history is 'Danegeld'. Once you give it, you'll never be rid of them. But hey, its your playtime, do what you like.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:45:00 - [227] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Not selling your soul really. But you are buying your (temporary) prosperity from BoB. Trusting BoB is foolish. It's like giving half your lunch money to the playground bully hoping they'll leave you enough for a sandwich. Next week they'll want the other half. I believe the proper term for it in European history is 'Danegeld'. Once you give it, you'll never be rid of them. But hey, its your playtime, do what you like. Really? Because form what I see and from past history, itÆs all the BoB haters that are the ones that turn on their friends as soon as someone does not play the game to their liking. Whenever someone parts ways with BoB, most of the time, unless they burned the bridge themselves, BoB wishes people GL and letÆs them go do what they want to do. RISE now sees what kind of allies they had in the first place and what kind of BS BoB members have to put up with every day. Welcome to The Darkens, RISE. Soon enough you will realize that BoB are the good guys in EVE and the rest our fan boys are a bunch of jealous, bitter, closed minded, people that would turn on their mother if she joined BoB. Quite embarrassing and pathetic indeed. The truth will set you free
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:06:00 - [228] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 10/01/2007 20:06:49 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 10/01/2007 20:05:05 I can smell a Rose in Feytha :p (sorry had to) [A] Raul, Rise just admit that : 1 - Bob is strong 2 - Bob needs us to be destroyed at their place in Feyth 3 - Bob need urgently a third party in the east war because east are now two blocks. Bob don't want ally one party, they only need pets. Both sides have things to tell with a gun to Rise, and Bob need really elite tricks to hold Rise there, even political/spyitical/naugthy moves (aka corp theft like they did) to confuse both side of the east war, to the single purpose they won't ally themselves aginst Rise and Bob. 4 - Bob need a buffer, they can't hold SW/S/SE alone. So what my conclusion with that intel is Rise is now an official Bob pet (loosing something to me, nevermind). Also Rise's motives are funny. They have everything to loose, only relative isk to gain. Bob have : - this move fails, well Rise fall, Bob win a little by pacifying another block - this move fails badly, Bob is attacked, Bob loose sligthly former ASCN's regions. - this move fails badly, east unify, Bob loose great (but this'll never happen since any alliance council is full of their alts - thrust Bob, they don't want this to happen so they manage to make this impossible) - this move win, Bob have a buckler, they win. All I can see is Bob winning here, it's a nice move I think. Let's wait for the official Rise announcement when they'll claims Feyth. [B] About Bob's dream I can't understand something. Now, they are 1800. If Bob have difficuties with 6 or so 0 regions, they'll never acheive to hold more than, say 10 with 3600 ppl around. Now, do you think more ppl will join Bob to conquer the whole 0 regions ? I don't think so. Holding 20 0 regions can't be made by nobody. CCP will throw more 0 regions before any attempts to do so. Unacheivable dream amha. Anyway keep on dreaming guys... 0 needs targets so you'll be soon be targets for evryone. Now, Bob is the Hunter. If they deploy too much I'm sure in 6 month they'll become a prey. Hence the Bob move, hence the title of the expention REVELATIONS. As you said to me yesterday Raul, next six month will be fascinating. :)
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:30:00 - [229] Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. Fact: BoB makes slave corps pay a significant fee to hold the space on BoB's behalf. Fact: BoB does not secure the space for you, you are responsible for local security, while BoB does its thing elsewhere. Ask Delve, Fountain residents about the response time of the BoB police during the ASCN conflict. Fact: BoB reserves the right to kick said slave corp out any time it gets a better offer or gets its panties in a twist. Fact: The life of a slave corp depends on the whim of BoB, which has demonstrated that it is willing to kick out a slave corp for additional profit or any other reason it considers valid. Conclusion: Becoming a BoB slave corp is not necessarily a winning proposition if you value stability or even your dignity. Unless you are BoB. Then its a win. Basically my statement was not that BoB are evil, or that anyone who takes their offer is evil. Only that once a corp becomes a slave corp, it is stuck with BoB forever. Thus the 'Danegeld' comment. Noone else is likely to value someone as much who sold their independence that easily. Note that if you are BoB, this is a fantastic deal, and if you can get people to bite, more power to you. I don't have any feelings one way or the other about RISE, and while I enjoy blowing up BoB, and find you to be silly forum *****s much of the time, I don't lack in respect for your staying power or fighting skills. I reserve my negative feelings for those of your slave corps who filled their own wallets at ASCN expense and were quick to dash off and suck on BoB's teat as soon as it was offered. You know who you are. Anyhow. If you can't take the truth and have to get all defensive about it, then it's not me who is bitter. It's simply a reflection of a certain governance style. One which bears a strong similarity to schoolyard bullying and lunch money, and a passing resemblance to the Roman Empire. In game terms, it works, for now. Just don't stretch yourself too thin. When the bully isn't standing there looking over his little victims, they sometimes revolt. And if a bigger bully shows up, well, you're stuck between him and your former victims. Don't expect much mercy. In other words, be prepared to lie in the bed you made. It might be comfortable, it might be painful, but it's yours. It worked for the Romans till the barbarians showed up.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:37:00 - [230] I wrote a post a while back about "The Bob Model". Now would be a good time to take another look at it. You are seeing a couple of things in this thread that demonstrate it in action. Already the rhetoric is starting to heat up toward potential next targets. This time they're "untrusthworty backstabbers", last time they were "lying slanderers". It's just grist for the mill, both to work themselves up, and to try to distance whomever will be next from everyone else. Keep an eye on what they're saying, and who they're saying it about, and it will give you some clue as to their next move. Who they are pulling away from whom to install in Feyth should also give you a clue. Those who do not learn from history (both real history and Eve history) are doomed to repeat it. Fun stuff to watch, BoB, thanks for the show. Drusus

Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:07:00 - [231] The problem is most ppl here are peons in their corp. I could say "beware bob, i'm attacking both hte north and hte south with my ally yaarrr", I'll still be a (lying ? not lying ?) sample in my ally. My point of view is like a shuttle vs TCF's dread so who cares. I'm just analysing data. I already said it's a nice move for Bob, a dumb for Rise, and more pewpew for somebody in the East. Now 10000 people won't care of me, I'll just put link here after, it'll be great for my ego :p
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 11:14:00 - [232] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. Fact: BoB makes slave corps pay a significant fee to hold the space on BoB's behalf. Fact: BoB does not secure the space for you, you are responsible for local security, while BoB does its thing elsewhere. Ask Delve, Fountain residents about the response time of the BoB police during the ASCN conflict. Fact: BoB reserves the right to kick said slave corp out any time it gets a better offer or gets its panties in a twist. Fact: The life of a slave corp depends on the whim of BoB, which has demonstrated that it is willing to kick out a slave corp for additional profit or any other reason it considers valid. Conclusion: Becoming a BoB slave corp is not necessarily a winning proposition if you value stability or even your dignity. Unless you are BoB. Then its a win. Basically my statement was not that BoB are evil, or that anyone who takes their offer is evil. Only that once a corp becomes a slave corp, it is stuck with BoB forever. Thus the 'Danegeld' comment. Noone else is likely to value someone as much who sold their independence that easily. Note that if you are BoB, this is a fantastic deal, and if you can get people to bite, more power to you. I don't have any feelings one way or the other about RISE, and while I enjoy blowing up BoB, and find you to be silly forum *****s much of the time, I don't lack in respect for your staying power or fighting skills. I reserve my negative feelings for those of your slave corps who filled their own wallets at ASCN expense and were quick to dash off and suck on BoB's teat as soon as it was offered. You know who you are. Anyhow. If you can't take the truth and have to get all defensive about it, then it's not me who is bitter. It's simply a reflection of a certain governance style. One which bears a strong similarity to schoolyard bullying and lunch money, and a passing resemblance to the Roman Empire. In game terms, it works, for now. Just don't stretch yourself too thin. When the bully isn't standing there looking over his little victims, they sometimes revolt. And if a bigger bully shows up, well, you're stuck between him and your former victims. Don't expect much mercy. In other words, be prepared to lie in the bed you made. It might be comfortable, it might be painful, but it's yours. It worked for the Romans till the barbarians showed up. Sounds like u talking about D2 ? Strange every time u say BOB it sounds like D2 to me .
Kat Jupiter Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:12:00 - [233] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Raul necrobie I ( and COLSUP ) was an Fountain alliance member for two years, i fought BoB and Xelas every day with REZ and BIG... I can't believe RISE will do it ... i am ashamed. Raul. Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. RISE do whatever they want to do, Jesus, it's a game. QFT
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 16:51:00 - [234] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. YAP YAP YAP . You sure do know allot of how we operate and how we run our relationships with Tenant corps. Please continue to make stuff up, its a good story. Slave corps? Pets? I would ask those corps who choose to reside in our space how they perceive themselves before making assumptions you cannot back up.
Troubadour Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:18:00 - [235] Edited by: Troubadour on 11/01/2007 17:18:59 Seriously, gotta love people who demonize bob for making good decisions. There is nothing wrong with bringing in alliances to help patrol/inhabit your regions. Looks like RISE finally realized that "Hey, BoB aren't such bad guys after all." and worked out a rather kickass deal for an entire region. And frankly all this stuff about corps/alliances operating with BoB or in BoB space being *****es is rubbish. BoB put down clear terms for moving into or using their space. You either accept them, or you don't. There is no changing of the rules on a whim or anything like that. It's their space, if you want to use it, you have to follow their rules. SL has spent much time in Delve and working with BoB and we have seen many people break these rules, then get kicked out and/or spanked, and then claim that BoB turned on them. You break the rules, you catch hell for it. And from what I have seen, BoB is quite a bit more tolerant then other alliances with their rules. Offering some understanding if say, someone is NPCing in the wrong system or something. Hell I've even popped a standingless hauler alt or two with phat loots of theirs and they didn't flip out, because they know it's NBSI and their own fault for not informing us and we are just doing what is asked of us. They put down clear terms, and expect you to abide by them. What is so wrong with that?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:29:00 - [236] I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:40:00 - [237] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. _
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:45:00 - [238] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. That's no fix, the two go hand in hand Self interest, go look it up. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:45:00 - [239] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. That's no fix, the two go hand in hand Self interest, go look it up. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:48:00 - [240] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead. Go and lay down in your basket Rover

Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:48:00 - [241] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead. Go and lay down in your basket Rover
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:11:00 - [242] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists RISE got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. Hardly a fix. BoB get what they want, RISE get what they want... I really don't see a problem. Has your corporation or Alliance never heard of a win-win situation? Maybe that's why you're having a difficult time understanding the motives behind our actions. Once you realize that both parties are benefiting from the relationship, it's smooth sailing for there.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:15:00 - [243] Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists RISE got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. Hardly a fix. BoB get what they want, RISE get what they want... I really don't see a problem. Has your corporation or Alliance never heard of a win-win situation? Maybe that's why you're having a difficult time understanding the motives behind our actions. Once you realize that both parties are benefiting from the relationship, it's smooth sailing for there. no they will never understand.. Cuase they only think one way.. It works for them in their small little world. But one day they will finally see the big picuter. -----------------------------------------------
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:39:00 - [244] Your parents wanted you to grow up and go to college. You did. According to the nonsensical way of thinking expressed by far too many here, you are their puppet. Of course they won't see it that way, because they have this other rule. It goes something like this: "The Crap That Spews Forth from My Lips Don't Apply to Me, Only to Others." Must be nice to be blinded by hypocrisy. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:46:00 - [245] Originally by: Everbane Go and lay down in your basket Rover Your logical and well written rebuttal has shown me how my original analysis of the situation was flawed. Were you on the Yale debate team? Your style is such I would assume only someone from the Ivy League debate squads could produce such an argument. It seems a bit like one would expect to see from Yale, though perhaps there is a touch of Harvard too. Reguardless to the orgin, you sir are a master of dialectics.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:07:00 - [246] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 11/01/2007 19:05:08 Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 11/01/2007 18:48:36 Your parents wanted you to grow up and go to college. You did. According to the nonsensical way of thinking expressed by far too many here, you are their puppet. Of course they won't see it that way, because they have this other rule. It goes something like this: "The Crap That Spews Forth from My Lips Doesn't Apply to Me, Only to Others." Must be nice to be blinded by hypocrisy. Except that no Alliance is our parents. We got friends, not parents. No authority is gave to RAGoons, and they show no authority to us. Any alliance that would be seen internally as my parents and my alliance would be see externally as a "parents"'s pet. Yeah it's a game, of course play as you want. I love TCF's pride to do whatever they decide too. We can watch TV after midnight, you know. You can't. I can also get drunk with my friends, that won't be the same with your parents... Have fun anyway.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:23:00 - [247] You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 19:54:00 - [248] Originally by: Baymm You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. Or logic. Or, better yet, to think before typing.
petition maker1	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:03:00 - [249] How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:33:00 - [250] Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. _

Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:33:00 - [251] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. That's not really what's happening though. What's happening is corps prostituting themselves to Band of Brothers in return for a place to live.. and paying "rent" for the privilige of whoring themselves out. They provide something BoB is apparently really big on -- e-peen -- by maintaining the illusion that all the space BoB claims, is actually BoB space. It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. BoB is big on the 'capture the flag' wins, and has the pixels that proclaim them sovereigns, but in practice they have very little actual influence on events in several of their claimed regions. But as long as there are corps willing to play the role of video game vassals, BoB can maintain at least a semblance of an illusion of holding massive territory.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:43:00 - [252] Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. . with that being said you are going to stay in Fountain when the true land owners come home? Or are you going to be like every other parasite that lives on our land and run once the owners come back? So your month of leaching off someone elses hard work means what? That you can run and hide like everyone else when the going gets tough? Mutal agreements made such as these prevent anyone from worrying about "what if they come back?" thoughts. I am sorry you guys still are looking at this one way. -----------------------------------------------
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:45:00 - [253] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. -----------------------------------------------
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:55:00 - [254] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. . with that being said you are going to stay in Fountain when the true land owners come home? Or are you going to be like every other parasite that lives on our land and run once the owners come back? So your month of leaching off someone elses hard work means what? That you can run and hide like everyone else when the going gets tough? Leeching off whose work.. BoBs? I saw one, single, BoB member in a month in Fountain, and they were in a complex. I wasn't leeching off Xelas' work, they shot at me three times in that month, with no kills either way. I don't think I was leeching off Celes' work, since they explicitly invited people to come hang out in Fountain. You can choose to try to be the "true owners" of Fountain again if you want, but to do that, you'll have to actually have real influence over who lives there and what they do. And that means having Band of Brothers pilots in the area on a regular basis, not just whenever you feel like it. This is 0.0 space in EVE, not a flat in London, and there are no cops to evict people if you don't do it. And if you don't (or can't) do it, that's proof you don't really control it.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:07:00 - [255] dynast, when u say fountain u mean fountain core. we have 2-3 outposts in fountain, completely and uncontested our under control plus a friendly alliance maintaining its own outpost. u are living out of npc stations, which are unclaimable - and when u check the alliance map u see the fountain core, a small part of fountain, is marked as contested anyways. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:19:00 - [256] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 11/01/2007 21:19:01 Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have chosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Hi main. ... A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. What "principles" do you consider to be anti-BoB? Maybe if I have some idea of where you're coming from, I'll be able to explain myself better. The "main" you're debating w/ actually has a better understanding of what is really going on, at least for me. Obviously I don't speak on behalf of my corporation or alliance, but I respect BoB a lot because of their logistic and military superiority. They know what it takes to be successful, and they actually have what it takes to be successful. Maybe if your corp or alliance claimed 6? 7? regions you could rent a couple out as well. RISE can only benefit from working w/ them, and living in Feyth will allow us to grow. Even if you claim BoB doesn't "own" it or have control over it, like people say about Fountain, start trying to dismantle their POS' in important systems and actually contest their control instead of whining about it. Not Xeles' control. BoB control. If you're right, BoB won't be able to stop you. I would start w/ a 10/10 complex, as BoB profits most from them. Maybe an outpost rather than NPC stations? EDIT: Also, please locate posts written by RISE members in which we declare our, "undying love" for BoB. Posts in which these words actually appear, in that order, would be even better. Thank you.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:23:00 - [257] This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:31:00 - [258] Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. ... So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? No Baymm, there is only one devil and apparently, he is BoB. Would you like to know what is really fantastically silly? Putting yourself in somebody else's shoes and looking at a situation from their point of view. /end sarcasm
Ma'kai Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:42:00 - [259] Rise is doing what it thinks is best for its alliance. I'd take a hit to my reputation if it would increase the prosperity, enjoyment, and stablity of my alliance. Its amazing how many people come out of the woodwork to condemn Rise for siding with bob. Most of you have napped most of eve. Rise is moving out of the ghetto known as Outer Ring and into a better neighborhood. Ya they have to pay rent and deal with a homeowners association, but the benefits outwiegh the drawbacks.
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:03:00 - [260] Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical.

Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:17:00 - [261] Originally by: MeatwagonUK Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical. Fountain Alliance fought BoB, but not RISE. As I'm sure you know, RISE fought Goons w/ D2, YouWhat (who were backed by D2), and RONIN (who were supported by D2).
Borg017 BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:22:00 - [262] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. LOL, are you serious? BIG/BIGAA congratulated RISE on their new venture and hope nothing but the best for them. Just because we didn't want any part of it doesn't make us backstabbers. Your statement may be onc of the most idiotic ever. unless you were being sarcastic, you should have used a " " or two cuz my sarcasm meter is broken ----------------------------------------------- "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:39:00 - [263] Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Kariss Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. Hi main. Other people do care, hence why this thread is several pages long. A lot of us used to have respect for those corps within RISE that stood against BoB and regardless of whether you (or others) care or not, it's disappointing to see them suddenly declaring their undying love as soon as they are offered a cookie. Yes, it's mutually beneficial but that's not the point. Even in-game I thought principles would have played a part in this - it obviously did for some and kudos to BIG and the other corps that stood by theirs. what about the ones that turned their back on RISE when they decided to play the game differntly than how you guys play? Those are the true backstabbers.. LOL, are you serious? BIG/BIGAA congratulated RISE on their new venture and hope nothing but the best for them. Just because we didn't want any part of it doesn't make us backstabbers. Your statement may be onc of the most idiotic ever. unless you were being sarcastic, you should have used a " " or two cuz my sarcasm meter is broken not what I intended to say. I am talking about the others that were fine with RISE until this decision.. -----------------------------------------------
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:44:00 - [264] Edited by: Baymm on 11/01/2007 22:40:42 I would agree 100% with Borg's statement. Nobody that I know of views BIG and Promo as backstabbers. In fact, quite the contary. I personally thank them for supporting us as true friends would and permitting us to part on excellent terms to explore whatever we do from here on out. That is the true essence of friendship. With all your unnecessary inflated drama, you guys could run your own Eve Oprah Winfrey show. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:39:00 - [265] See you guys in space.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:55:00 - [266] Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out .
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:59:00 - [267] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's ***es? Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:02:00 - [268] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's *****es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? - Gob
MeatwagonUK M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:03:00 - [269] Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: MeatwagonUK Originally by: Baymm This whole thead is so fantastically silly. For all the nitwits traveling down hypocrisy lane, when you joined your first player corporation did you feel that you sold out your independence when you agreed to pay taxes for the right to be in that corporation? After all, that corporation no doubt gave you access to places you couldn't go alone. So you sold out your independence, agreed to pay taxes, for a richer gaming experience? Did you flog yourself nightly for selling your soul to the devil? Most people weren't fighting their first player corp prior to joining :) Personally I couldn't give a damn what ya do, but the parallel you're trying to draw is nonsensical. Fountain Alliance fought BoB, but not RISE. As I'm sure you know, RISE fought Goons w/ D2, YouWhat (who were backed by D2), and RONIN (who were supported by D2). Killboard says otherwise but whatever
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:05:00 - [270] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . How is it, being RAT's ***es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? - Gob When his quote only includes those that pay us dues, sure. Until then, nope. Even before FIX started living in "BoB" space the same people were calling them our slaves, our *es, so I figured it would be interesting to see how the shoe felt on the other foot. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.

petition maker1	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:24:00 - [271] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:41:00 - [272] good luck rise and I understand the reason behind it, but wwe could have conqoured one of the new regions together :( Join The Fight With Promo Today
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:46:00 - [273] Originally by: petition maker1 Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears. Somehow, I don't see that as happening, since you don't even have the balls to post with your main.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:36:00 - [274] Originally by: MeatwagonUK Killboard says otherwise but whatever I'm referring to various territorial disputes RISE has been a part of. Not roaming gank squads.
Mancen Minmatar Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:36:00 - [275] I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun)
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:49:00 - [276] Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:53:00 - [277] Originally by: welsh wizard Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one. There is more to Eve than fighting BoB.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:54:00 - [278] Edited by: welsh wizard on 12/01/2007 01:52:37 edit: time will tell.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:04:00 - [279] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 12/01/2007 01:52:37 edit: time will tell. The Princess is not in this castle ---------------
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:53:00 - [280] Quote: Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears. Oh don't you worry, you will get your chance Slave.

ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:12:00 - [281] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 12/01/2007 04:08:48 Originally by: Mancen On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. For that to happen I believe the first part required is that you be an target of Bob going by the normal direction CoAD forum warrior targets take...... Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: welsh wizard Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one. There is more to Eve than fighting BoB. And there is more to Eve than making isk... I don't dislike or hate RISE for making this choice tbh I don't even know that much about you except that you were D2 allies at one point.... I was suprised by the desicion sure but seems that atm you either go with BoB or go against them in the polarisation of Eve politics and by that nature your choice planted yourself on one side of the political spectrum whether that is good or bad for you will remain to be seen I suppose but in the mean time enjoy living in feyth you would be hard pushed to find a region with a better infastructure station wise in Eve.... oh and watch out for triple A not the easiest of neighbours you have bought yourself.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:05:00 - [282] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Dianabolic How is it, being RAT's *****es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben How to fix Eve
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:18:00 - [283] Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Your calculations are wrong, you have forgotten about the death toll that we and AAA will demand from you. Ok, maybe i sound a little cryptic, Xelas can explain. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Afonso Henriques Minmatar The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:26:00 - [284] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Your calculations are wrong, you have forgotten about the death toll that we and AAA will demand from you. Ok, maybe i sound a little cryptic, Xelas can explain. There are no npc stations in Feythabolis, I don't think you are a concern.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:55:00 - [285] Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 05:57:10 Speaking as an ex-member of Rise, I feel more qualified to comment on their move than others from this side of the fence, but their comments are certainly accurate. We left late-summer last year on bad terms after wondering why people, for example, didn't help defend a Rise carrier which was being ganked in a belt for around 20 minutes by, oh the irony, a BoB gank squad. That was the pretty much the last straw for us, and the events following around the 10/10 system they held confirmed our decision to leave. There were myriad other reasons we realised it was a duff alliance, and while I hope they have changed, the people at the top seem the same so who knows. Not my problem. This move seems ill-informed to me, and sadly by selling out any remaining credibility (with people non-aligned with BoB) as a sovereign alliance you're going to find it hard should anything go wrong. But, yknow, I wish you luck, and all that. Some good people were there at the time, maybe we'll run into each other again. edit: just to be clear, this is from our 133rd Ghost Wing days, nothing to do with Collective, who are as ugly as they come ;)
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:57:00 - [286] How could they betray there E-Honor and E-pride for fun and something they want!?! And they are clearly slaves because well they can't leave at anytime for empire or another region or anything like that. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 06:42:00 - [287] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 12/01/2007 06:38:56 Originally by: xeom How could they betray there E-Honor and E-pride for fun and something they want!?! And they are clearly slaves because well they can't leave at anytime for empire or another region or anything like that. Yes, BoB GM's keep our E-Freedom in check by tying our accounts to a limited number of systems in Eve. We could, say, leave on good terms down the road. We have all agreed that this is primarily an economic relationship. We are tenants, after all; a tenant is not a slave. BoB, after all, would understand the nature of changing politics over time. EDIT: Aesthetics.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.12 07:59:00 - [288] Originally by: Ben Derindar [ RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben Hmm.. how very interesting, is this actually true?
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:08:00 - [289] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ben Derindar [ RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben Hmm.. how very interesting, is this actually true? I remember killing a COL carrier with FiX a few month back at an AAA 10/10 so I dont think its true... unless it changed since. Dian the reason people are and always have called fix "bob *****es" is because the general perception is they where about to lose their last station when bob walked in and wiped the floor with their enemies, and that is how they got their space back. Wheter its true or not it thats what everyone thinks. - Gob
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:24:00 - [290] Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. BoB is big on the 'capture the flag' wins, and has the pixels that proclaim them sovereigns, but in practice they have very little actual influence on events in several of their claimed regions. Hiding in some dead end system and running to safespot to cloak hardly constitutes "making a home" for oneself. People are welcome to come live in the core though, YZ and MN5 are getting rather quiet these days. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:10:00 - [291] Edited by: Dianabolic on 12/01/2007 14:06:57 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Dian the reason people are and always have called fix "bob ***es" is because the general perception is they where about to lose their last station when bob walked in and wiped the floor with their enemies, and that is how they got their space back. Wheter its true or not it thats what everyone thinks. Sure, I understand where YOU are coming from, Gobs, what I want to know is how mr Black Lance up there ^^ feels he is qualified to talk about anyone being a "slave" when they are FAR from equal even in their OWN alliance. We are indeed "in charge" of our space (flame on all you parasite residents that ultimately don't affect us one bit, take the comment for what it is), we make no bones about taking the best bits for ourselves and renting out the rest - that doesn't make those who rent from us "slaves", nor *es, merely tenants. People may also say, and feel justified in doing so, that FIX are our "*es". Ask FIX how we rectified the A-5 issue that came to pass through a failure in communications, that Chris Multsanti brought up, it may well lead to an incredible enlightenment for the rest of eve. No one is our *, everyone in our space can leave at any time they wish, those that have done so having been on our guest program have, to the very last one, been refunded their deposit, every single one. People throw the terms around in the hope that the more they say it, the more true it will become and the more people will believe it, yet our actions knock down these claims every_single_day. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Brian Ballbag	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:29:00 - [292] I can tell this decision was made by the ISK hungry americans in RISE. Crap alliance, i got well out of it, one minute they call BOB names, the next they are wedged up em...
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:49:00 - [293] When I was in ASCN the HC liked to talk about G slaves and BoB slaves all the time, with the implication that the average members of ASCN was much better off and somehow "free". Mind you, you couldn't post on eve-o for 90% of last year, you couldn't dare say anything negative about the HC on the internal forums without getting a threat of a kick, you couldn't do something they didn't like without getting 'blacklisted', 'member' corps were by no means equal and your taxes went to projects that in the end did nothing for you personally, or even collectively. Would BoB be better if they allowed corps into their 'alliance' and then did the same things they are doing now? Every big alliance has their dominant corps who get most of the alliance goodies. I think BoB is more honest about it in that they give you a set fee, you know up front what you are getting and what you are paying for. Being a newish member of FIX I missed all the fun they had with BoB, but I can tell you that BoB hasn't made a single isk off me, which I guess makes me a pretty useless slave.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:56:00 - [294] Edited by: dan drorgar on 12/01/2007 14:54:08 Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 05:57:10 Speaking as an ex-member of Rise, I feel more qualified to comment on their move than others from this side of the fence, but their comments are certainly accurate. It's funny how those who got kicked out of RISE for various reasons feel most qualified to speak for the alliance. I remember how your corp mates in 133GW spammed the alliance channel to get your corp kicked out of RISE, very mature and original: Quote: [ 2006.09.20 14:48:09 ] Kasak Black > Hey RISE you suck! [ 2006.09.20 14:48:31 ] Sovereign533 > ok, directors orders: I AGREE!!! [ 2006.09.20 14:49:45 ] Sovereign533 > what do we need to do to get kicked btw? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:39 ] Sovereign533 > smack on the eve-o forums -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:45 ] Sovereign533 > spam alliance -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:51 ] Sovereign533 > smack alliance mates -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:53 ] Sovereign533 > what else? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:54 ] Kasak Black > w [ 2006.09.20 14:50:56 ] Kasak Black > eawea [ 2006.09.20 14:50:57 ] Kasak Black > weaweaweaeaeae [ 2006.09.20 14:50:58 ] Kasak Black > ddd [ 2006.09.20 14:50:59 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:00 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:01 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:02 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:03 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:05 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:24 ] Sovereign533 > ohw... smack in local -> check, multiple times [ 2006.09.20 14:51:30 ] Sovereign533 > multiple members [ 2006.09.20 14:51:38 ] Kasak Black > Hey sov you know who sucks? [ 2006.09.20 14:52:47 ] Iss Hogai > guys, if you are here just to make fools of your selves you have accomplished with style [ 2006.09.20 14:53:25 ] Gary Goat > why do you need to be kicked? u can just leave [ 2006.09.20 14:54:14 ] Pegazus > rofl Now, incidentally that was around the time we were losing Cloud Ring. No need to find poor excuses like the noob Carrier (belt ratting, not paying attention to intel) that was lost against the Farjung gank squad (I lost a BS myself there btw., trying to help it - we tried, we just weren't good enough and organized enough to do it successfully). PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:25:00 - [295] Going to miss ya Dan. 8( Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:37:00 - [296] Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 12/01/2007 14:06:57 Ask FIX how we rectified the A-5 issue that came to pass through a failure in communications, that Chris Multsanti brought up, it may well lead to an incredible enlightenment for the rest of eve. I'll take the bait, so noone else has, as I am actually curious how this played out... Avernus, care to enlighten us ? Best Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:02:00 - [297] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 12/01/2007 18:02:56 Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. You are right, I am the whole TCF. Beware my dreads (edit) I have a real problem with the phrase "they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs". RISE is not an historic allied Alliance of BOB in my 6 month book. It is actually quite the contrary. Anyway... I said RISE should play as they like. I don't care. Most of non-Bob "allied" alliance jsut see them as another paying ally of Bob anyway : Bob never ally, they dominate people.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:08:00 - [298] Originally by: Baymm You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. I'm sorry, I'm not fearing you. kthx
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:51:00 - [299] Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:56 Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:08 Fear? Not sure why you would mention fear at all. If bringing drama to these boards brings you happiness, then that is great. I firmly believe everyone should be happy in everything they do. I would hope that you find far less drama in real life than you do in a game. Dollars to donuts says your life is the same normal routine the rest of us live. Drama free, just taking life one step at a time. I suspect you don't find deep hidden meanings in the things that occur around you nor I suspect do you measure yourself, family and friends to the moral yardstick that you set forth in this thread. In fact, I bet if all of us were to meet in a bar on the West Side of Manhattan, we would drink a beer in celebration of putting a face to the name and not a single word of this thread or Eve-drama would be spoken. I guess that is why I don't get worked up by what people do here or in game. At the end of the day, no matter what I am at the bar. Hope to see you there. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Fallen Buckshot Amarr Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:04:00 - [300] Im Jealous Baymm has his forum avatar and i dont

JungleFighter Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:14:00 - [301] No one wants to talk about D2 and their "residents" Who do you think holds onto Deklein and Fade? D2 sits in Branch getting fat while everyone else protects their borders(Morsus and IRON) and "residents". Yeah those residents have rules they have to follow as well, which include when and where they can put POSs, and what those POSs can be used for(aka they can't have guns they can only be for refining, etc) To the point if a POS is found with guns D2 looks at removing it. So D2 does it and no one bashes them and the other corps are not considered "slaves" but if BoB makes a deal with another corp/alliance they are suddenly slaves? Hi pot, I would like you to meet kettle.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:36:00 - [302] Originally by: Baymm Going to miss ya Dan. 8( :-/ ... rumour has it that we might soon be in a red blob near you ... PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
BeakerJoe Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.12 20:40:00 - [303] Fix Alliance would like to thank Band of Brothers for resolving this "issue" by finding another location for the corp and returning full access as it was before the holidays and change of management. In all honesty, I am quite comfortable the situation would have played out the exact same way without the eve-online drama. Fix and Band of Builders has had an excellent working relationship over time which I expect to only improve. We would also like to thank: Chris Multsanti for helping to remind us that our private conversations are never private. The members of the Fix Alliance that understood that somethings happen and take a little bit to resolve.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.01.12 20:41:00 - [304] Originally by: JungleFighter No one wants to talk about D2 and their "residents" Who do you think holds onto Deklein and Fade? D2 sits in Branch getting fat while everyone else protects their borders(Morsus and IRON) and "residents". Yeah those residents have rules they have to follow as well, which include when and where they can put POSs, and what those POSs can be used for(aka they can't have guns they can only be for refining, etc) To the point if a POS is found with guns D2 looks at removing it. So D2 does it and no one bashes them and the other corps are not considered "slaves" but if BoB makes a deal with another corp/alliance they are suddenly slaves? Hi pot, I would like you to meet kettle. QFT I recently took a road trip up there and saw many players who werent D2, infact I didnt see a single D2 member. I saw a lot of sparta allaince and other non-factor alliances living in D2 stations. Something tells me they (D2) dont got 0% refine in their stations/outposts. hypocrits 4tl
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.12 21:33:00 - [305] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:56 Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:08 Fear? Not sure why you would mention fear at all. If bringing drama to these boards brings you happiness, then that is great. I firmly believe everyone should be happy in everything they do. I would hope that you find far less drama in real life than you do in a game. Dollars to donuts says your life is the same normal routine the rest of us live. Drama free, just taking life one step at a time. I suspect you don't find deep hidden meanings in the things that occur around you nor I suspect do you measure yourself, family and friends to the moral yardstick that you set forth in this thread. In fact, I bet if all of us were to meet in a bar on the West Side of Manhattan, we would drink a beer in celebration of putting a face to the name and not a single word of this thread or Eve-drama would be spoken. I guess that is why I don't get worked up by what people do here or in game. At the end of the day, no matter what I am at the bar. Hope to see you there. That's a lot to suspect from less than 10k characters of mine Reread your post, it's funny ----- Well, some seems to want a disclaimer from me so here it is : ************************************ * I AM THE WHOLE TCF'S MINDS, BEWARE * ************************************
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:04:00 - [306] Originally by: dan drorgar Edited by: dan drorgar on 12/01/2007 14:54:08 Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 05:57:10 Speaking as an ex-member of Rise, I feel more qualified to comment on their move than others from this side of the fence, but their comments are certainly accurate. It's funny how those who got kicked out of RISE for various reasons feel most qualified to speak for the alliance. I remember how your corp mates in 133GW spammed the alliance channel to get your corp kicked out of RISE, very mature and original: Quote: [ 2006.09.20 14:48:09 ] Kasak Black > Hey RISE you suck! [ 2006.09.20 14:48:31 ] Sovereign533 > ok, directors orders: I AGREE!!! [ 2006.09.20 14:49:45 ] Sovereign533 > what do we need to do to get kicked btw? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:39 ] Sovereign533 > smack on the eve-o forums -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:45 ] Sovereign533 > spam alliance -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:51 ] Sovereign533 > smack alliance mates -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:53 ] Sovereign533 > what else? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:54 ] Kasak Black > w [ 2006.09.20 14:50:56 ] Kasak Black > eawea [ 2006.09.20 14:50:57 ] Kasak Black > weaweaweaeaeae [ 2006.09.20 14:50:58 ] Kasak Black > ddd [ 2006.09.20 14:50:59 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:00 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:01 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:02 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:03 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:05 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:24 ] Sovereign533 > ohw... smack in local -> check, multiple times [ 2006.09.20 14:51:30 ] Sovereign533 > multiple members [ 2006.09.20 14:51:38 ] Kasak Black > Hey sov you know who sucks? [ 2006.09.20 14:52:47 ] Iss Hogai > guys, if you are here just to make fools of your selves you have accomplished with style [ 2006.09.20 14:53:25 ] Gary Goat > why do you need to be kicked? u can just leave [ 2006.09.20 14:54:14 ] Pegazus > rofl At the time I was going through a difficult patch, my wife had left me and my school teacher gave me a D- in Latin, I soon became reclusive and unstable. I felt this emotional outburst was the best way of expressing my anger about the various challenges RISE was facing. I remember that night I also kicked the wall and it really hurt my toe. However, things have not improved, I still live alone, I don't go out and I hardly see the daylight. I'm so lonely, EVE is my only escape, I wish I could turn back the clock and take away the hurtful things I said to RISE. I beg for forgiveness... oh please...
Warsyn Caldari Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:36:00 - [307] Edited by: Warsyn on 13/01/2007 01:34:00 Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Your calculations are wrong, you have forgotten about the death toll that we and AAA will demand from you. Ok, maybe i sound a little cryptic, Xelas can explain. Sooooo...what you're saying is: For a minimal time investment you can make more than enough ISK to cover your combat losses thus ensuring you a far higher pvp/earning gaming experience. AND to top it off people actual come looking to assplode you and your friends so you don't spend hours cruising around fruitlessly through empty space! NIFTY! Hmmmm....would that in fact make BoB Santa??? Warsyn null
Dyneon Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:06:00 - [308] For those who decry BoB: "Do you know the hallmark of the second-rater?" The hallmark of the second-rater is "resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own; they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal, for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire," someone to look up to. You don't have that when you're at the top. "They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes, thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of your life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. "They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. They have no way of knowing what he feels when he's around them. Hatred? no, not hatred, but boredom: the terrible, hopeless, draining, paralyzing boredom. Of what account are praise and adulation from men you don't respect? Have you ever felt the longing for someone you could admire? For something, not to look down at, but up to?" ----------------------------------- Rear Admiral Dyneon Director of Internal Security Sturmgrenadier, Inc.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.13 04:13:00 - [309] BoB are laughing all the way to the bank. Sir Molle and the god of Strife(Shrike?) snickers on their way to the Eve-chess board, while planning an encore.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 05:18:00 - [310] Quote: For those who decry BoB: "Do you know the hallmark of the second-rater?" The hallmark of the second-rater is "resentment of another man's achiev..... and a 3rd rater is the alliance that live under the rules and taxation of the 1st rater.

Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.13 05:42:00 - [311] Originally by: Sairait Edited by: Sairait on 08/01/2007 13:05:21 ... BIG's role in the Rise was ever defined only by their historic deeds, they've never done more than hinder anything that was going on in Rise. Good for Rise to getting rid of them finally. ... I've changed my mind, I do have a response. 2007.01.13 05:26 BIG Advanced Assault has declared war on THE R0NIN. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Let's all have fun now. Recruitment
Soulie principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.13 06:42:00 - [312] Yarr! Take it easy folks. It is a video-game. Shadows and RISE in whole; when I left, I was under the impression that RISE does not go forums wars. Leave that to those that stay there. Yarr, guys. You got thick hides. Use them here and in the game. Blast me all you want others. I lub RISE. I loved flying with them. For whatever reasons PROMO descided NOT do fly with them is our own and our own only. Stop this silly s**t. Whatever your opinions are of RISE, BOB, D2 or others are, are you playing the game here? Go play the game, this is just stupid. 11 pages of flames. Shame on you all :( Soulie
Galdoth BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.13 06:49:00 - [313] Originally by: Soulie Yarr! Take it easy folks. It is a video-game. Shadows and RISE in whole; when I left, I was under the impression that RISE does not go forums wars. Leave that to those that stay there. Yarr, guys. You got thick hides. Use them here and in the game. Blast me all you want others. I lub RISE. I loved flying with them. For whatever reasons PROMO descided NOT do fly with them is our own and our own only. Stop this silly s**t. Whatever your opinions are of RISE, BOB, D2 or others are, are you playing the game here? Go play the game, this is just stupid. 11 pages of flames. Shame on you all :( Soulie /signed Hi Soulie
Sameth Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:33:00 - [314] Its old, its been done to death, but clearly some people still need to be reminded of this.
Soulie principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.14 02:38:00 - [315] Right back at you. You were the only one that had the need to speak...
Brian Ballbag	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:47:00 - [316] Last time i heard all you rise people talking about BOB you were saying how much you hated them and how we should all get together to get rid of them. Hypocrytes
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.15 02:19:00 - [317] Originally by: Brian Ballbag Last time i heard all you rise people talking about BOB you were saying how much you hated them and how we should all get together to get rid of them. Hypocrytes You can here all rise people talk ? Dam that must be lots of voices in your head . BTW olmost all aliances in OR where Hostile to us and u dident heard all you rise people talk about that ??? Maiby u only hear what u want to hear
Brian Ballbag	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:53:00 - [318] Edited by: Brian Ballbag on 15/01/2007 12:52:40 Edited by: Brian Ballbag on 15/01/2007 12:49:45 Originally by: MMXMMX Originally by: Brian Ballbag Last time i heard all you rise people talking about BOB you were saying how much you hated them and how we should all get together to get rid of them. Hypocrytes You can here all rise people talk ? Dam that must be lots of voices in your head . BTW olmost all aliances in OR where Hostile to us and u dident heard all you rise people talk about that ??? Maiby u only hear what u want to hear I heard lots of americans running their mouth about BOB,I was in crappy RISE for a while. I was in your TS many many times, and as it happens can still get on now. typical americans they were too, sell thier souls for a $.
Shivaja Caldari CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.18 11:46:00 - [319] Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Sairait Edited by: Sairait on 08/01/2007 13:05:21 ... BIG's role in the Rise was ever defined only by their historic deeds, they've never done more than hinder anything that was going on in Rise. Good for Rise to getting rid of them finally. ... I've changed my mind, I do have a response. 2007.01.13 05:26 BIG Advanced Assault has declared war on THE R0NIN. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Let's all have fun now. ROFL LAMO Wardec 0.0 alliance what do u think we not going waste our time by sercing over you in empire you pathetic if u think so Shivaja Queen of Outer Ring CHON ceo THE R0NIN Kill Board
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:45:00 - [320] Originally by: Shivaja Originally by: Solwolf Originally by: Sairait Edited by: Sairait on 08/01/2007 13:05:21 ... BIG's role in the Rise was ever defined only by their historic deeds, they've never done more than hinder anything that was going on in Rise. Good for Rise to getting rid of them finally. ... I've changed my mind, I do have a response. 2007.01.13 05:26 BIG Advanced Assault has declared war on THE R0NIN. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Let's all have fun now. ROFL LAMO Wardec 0.0 alliance what do u think we not going waste our time by sercing over you in empire you pathetic if u think so It's your loss, litterally. Thank you The R0NIN for the the 2 run Incognito Tuner Data Interface BPC, the two Snake Implants and the 2 EM Shield Rigs. It's made this war quite profitable. I'll spare the names of the pilots that gave these to us. If you guys would just keep your yaps closed and not be such smacktards, I'd leave you alone. I admire most of your alliance by the way. It's just a couple of big mouths that bring you down. Good luck anyway and have fun. Recruitment Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Ivan K

Shivaja Caldari CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:05:00 - [321] Originally by: Solwolf It's your loss, litterally. Thank you The R0NIN for the the 2 run Incognito Tuner Data Interface BPC, the two Snake Implants and the 2 EM Shield Rigs. It's made this war quite profitable. I'll spare the names of the pilots that gave these to us. If you guys would just keep your yaps closed and not be such smacktards, I'd leave you alone. I admire most of your alliance by the way. It's just a couple of big mouths that bring you down. Good luck anyway and have fun. Please be so kind and publish the names of those tards who caried the stuf despite well knonwn war with you becouse then i will giwe them even more hard laugh fools Shivaja Queen of Outer Ring CHON ceo THE R0NIN Kill Board
JackCo Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:17:00 - [322] What are exactly are u calling a war here? The total of 10 engagements in empire that prolly happend by accident or the single hauler you shot down? You won't hit R0NIN in any way by hanging arround Jita during US peaktime. If you do see us arround there it's just to harass you guys and not the other way arround. If u truly wish to hurt us seek us out in places where we live. You know that ain't Jita and surrounding systems. The guy losing the kit to you - shame on him - will prolly use an alt in the future or create a side corp like you did urself for all your industry matters... oh BIG LOL Stop the sillyness allrdy get ur act, gang and ppl together as they seem to be leaving ur corp faster the Lucky Luke can shoot in his shadow. Oh and i do not admire you guys Jack
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:26:00 - [323] Originally by: Shivaja ... Please be so kind and publish the names of those tards who caried the stuf despite well knonwn war with you becouse then i will giwe them even more hard laugh fools Okay, Slavy Slave died in a shuttle of all things on 1.16 at 21:09. He had the good stuff. We also killed one of your afk haulers in Jita, that kill isn't posted yet, the guy that has it is away on business. Also bare in mind that you're not the only alliance we've declared war on. We're at war with three alliances at the moment so we're having fun our way. FIX for example has done pretty well. My hat's off to them. Not a bit of smack either, just lots of fun. Recruitment Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Ivan K
Dominie Dirtch Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:04:00 - [324] Originally by: Dracolich BoB are laughing all the way to the bank. Sir Molle and the god of Strife(Shrike?) snickers on their way to the Eve-chess board, while planning an encore. SirMolle and Shrike are the same person. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.19 17:07:00 - [325] Originally by: Dominie Dirtch Originally by: Dracolich BoB are laughing all the way to the bank. Sir Molle and the god of Strife(Shrike?) snickers on their way to the Eve-chess board, while planning an encore. SirMolle and Shrike are the same person. Kind of like you are the same person as Eveceo1.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 20:45:00 - [326] Originally by: Dianabolic No one is our *****, everyone in our space can leave at any time they wish, those that have done so having been on our guest program have, to the very last one, been refunded their deposit, every single one. While I can attest to being able to leave at any time, living in BoB space gave one anything but the impression of "freedom". Never in my EVE life have I felt more restricted, used and looked down on than living in their space. Which is why we left, with no hangups at all (probably because we were so small anyway). We never got our deposit back though. For the RISE thing, I have to say it's an excellent move on BoB's part too. Not only have they demoted a potential thorn in their side to a tax paying industrial meatshield, they also opened up the NPC stations in OR for a staging ground. Really quite amazing for a strategic move for BoB, and since RISE seem to be more concerned with ISK than gameplay, I guess it's good for them too.
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.19 23:24:00 - [327] Originally by: Attak Originally by: Dianabolic No one is our *****, everyone in our space can leave at any time they wish, those that have done so having been on our guest program have, to the very last one, been refunded their deposit, every single one. While I can attest to being able to leave at any time, living in BoB space gave one anything but the impression of "freedom". Never in my EVE life have I felt more restricted, used and looked down on than living in their space. Which is why we left, with no hangups at all (probably because we were so small anyway). We never got our deposit back though. For the RISE thing, I have to say it's an excellent move on BoB's part too. Not only have they demoted a potential thorn in their side to a tax paying industrial meatshield, they also opened up the NPC stations in OR for a staging ground. Really quite amazing for a strategic move for BoB, and since RISE seem to be more concerned with ISK than gameplay, I guess it's good for them too. Killing chumps like you is gameplay enough for me.
Massao Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 23:26:00 - [328] Originally by: Attak Originally by: Dianabolic No one is our *****, everyone in our space can leave at any time they wish, those that have done so having been on our guest program have, to the very last one, been refunded their deposit, every single one. While I can attest to being able to leave at any time, living in BoB space gave one anything but the impression of "freedom". Never in my EVE life have I felt more restricted, used and looked down on than living in their space. Which is why we left, with no hangups at all (probably because we were so small anyway). We never got our deposit back though. For the RISE thing, I have to say it's an excellent move on BoB's part too. Not only have they demoted a potential thorn in their side to a tax paying industrial meatshield, they also opened up the NPC stations in OR for a staging ground. Really quite amazing for a strategic move for BoB, and since RISE seem to be more concerned with ISK than gameplay, I guess it's good for them too. There are two reasons that you wouldn't get your deposit back: 1 - you were behind in your payments. 2 - you didn't supply me with the timestamp of when you actually PAID the deposit. ofc iirc your corp left quite a while ago now, so your claim on it (if it wasn't paid) is void. Have a nice day.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.20 00:39:00 - [329] Originally by: JackCo Edited by: JackCo on 19/01/2007 12:22:13 (babble) Oh and i do not admire you guys Jack I hate to be drawn into this but I can't let this idiocy stand. First off, None of us have recently left BIGAA. Why would we? what possible reason would we have? Of course, you can't answer that, because there is no good answer, because you're a idiot and posted that on no basis whatsoever. Secondly, we knew we couldn't seriously hurt you with a war. Timezone, size difference, whatever. Our motive was TO HAVE FUN. It went something like this: 'Hay Guyz, wanna declare on Ronin for a bit?' 'Sure! Sounds like fun!' Thirdly, as always, you have proven yourselves to be hopeless smackers. To give an example of contrast... I had a few experiences with FIX recently, like Sol talked about. Great guys. Good fighters, zero smack, all around nice people. Maybe one day, if you work really hard, you can be just like them. GOD. It boggles the mind how annoying, how CALLOUS you people can be. What drives you to do this? does it make you feel big? Why? WHY? Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Galdoth BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.20 03:33:00 - [330] Edited by: Galdoth on 20/01/2007 03:31:56 Originally by: Shivaja Originally by: Solwolf It's your loss, litterally. Thank you The R0NIN for the the 2 run Incognito Tuner Data Interface BPC, the two Snake Implants and the 2 EM Shield Rigs. It's made this war quite profitable. I'll spare the names of the pilots that gave these to us. If you guys would just keep your yaps closed and not be such smacktards, I'd leave you alone. I admire most of your alliance by the way. It's just a couple of big mouths that bring you down. Good luck anyway and have fun. Please be so kind and publish the names of those tards who caried the stuf despite well knonwn war with you becouse then i will giwe them even more hard laugh fools Hi Shiv

Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2007.01.20 07:00:00 - [331] Canet we alkl agree that imm better than everyone else? we can? cool thxbai. BREE (obvvioiuasly) --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.01.20 13:10:00 - [332] Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. I think this post is very to the point. My friends and I have always been neutral to BoB. Certainly I think we all read over the forums how big and bad they are supposed to be, how devious in using the forums for propaganda, how dictatorial, read about the so called 'slave' corps, etc. (.. as if other alliances don't have these). But what I read does not matter if the D2 gangs come along and start perma-camping the pipes that I and my friends have always used, start engaging in high sec piracy, blowing up our miners' ore, killing our noobs and then smacktalking about it in local, behaving in the utmost arrogant manner. In forums and in game they often claim that they are just having some fun, just randomly shooting players here or there, just doing some good old pvp for entertainment you know. Later on it turns out that they had some kind of a grand scheme running, wasn't just plain shooty shooty, and what they told us then was all lies .. Whatever gets said here on the forums, the actions of an alliance speak much more of it than all this writing. I have not had any experience with BoB. As it stands right now I have lost any respect I ever had for D2. I know that it was just a few D2 corps that I've encountered, but forgive me if I, like anyone else, will associate their actions with what their alliance permits them, or even instructs them, to do. And if there is some kind of grant conflict looming between the D2 and BoB, I would readily pick to be on BoB's side just because I am neutral to BoB but I've grown to dislike D2. And for any players who D2 has ever preyed upon, such conflict would be a perfect opportunity to repay them. And vice versa
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.20 13:28:00 - [333] Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today.
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.01.20 15:14:00 - [334] Originally by: welsh wizard Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? You're not paying them as a form of submission. You're paying them in exchange for a service, which in this case is protection. This is not submission. It's symbiosis, where everyone gets what they are seeking. According to this logic, everyone who is living in 0.0 right now and paying a tax or a percent of what they mine is acting submissively toward their corp or alliance, which is not the case. When you are paying a cut, you are contributing to the group effort. There is no single player in BoB who would be able to hold the alliance together. It is a group effort where some corps and alliances came together under common banner because they want to live like that. The north right now is not much different with all the NAPs laid in. It's just not shaded in the same color on the territorial map. Victory is never yours, unless it is a case that you play alone. Victory always belongs to you and your corp mates and your allies and your friends. If you paid someone money and they went and won, that victory belongs to both of you. For example, miners in any alliance do not get to engage in battles, but if their alliance wins a war against another alliance, it is everyone's victory, not just that of pvpers. And if you paid mercs and they did an excellent job and decimated the enemy, it is your victory in essence. As for pacification of 0.0, this will never be. There will always be someone fighting over something or other in it, from empire pirate groups, to mercs, to various other groups or corps looking for some random pvp. 0.0 has always been and will be very much lively. Plenty of things to shoot at in those "subdued" regions you know. And if you get bored sitting in this "subdued" space with all this money burning your pockets, you go buy a stock of ships and guns and go rogue. It's a game after all. You can't have slavery in this game alike slavery that happens in real life, as many a time that people try to draw parallels here. You don't have to abide by anyone's rules if you don't want to. You can always come and go as you please and shoot at whoever you please. Fighting against an overwhelming force you are often on the side of another force that desires to be just as overwhelming in place of the former.
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.21 07:24:00 - [335] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. I prefer to be on the winning side personally, and I do feel my contributions play a part, not sure how large or possibly insignificant, in the eventual domination of 0.0 space by BoB. I'd like to think we are allies more than tenants, and maybe given time, and after proving our worth, BoB will look at us as more than tenants, and will really appreciate us as lesser equals (because they are the best and did build all this) or allies.
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.01.21 08:42:00 - [336] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. Do you think RISE will lack targets or fights in Feyth? Many of the posters here clearly indicate that they want to bring fighting directly to them. They aren't living in the heart of BoB space or anything, they are on the fringe, and tasked with defending it against hostiles. People make comments like "putting EVE on easy mode" as if their corps and alliances don't make alliances with other organizations. But somehow making an alliance with BoB is the end of the game. They act like an alliance with BoB means they will never have to fight. That's ridiculous. Additionally, your corp has made it quite clear that you are only interested in fighting and not interested in establishing any sort of infrastructure or industry. That's fine. But you have to acknowledge that many other corps/alliances are interested in more and such a relationship is one way to make it happen. Others may over simplify the issue by saying "fight for your space" but no one controls any 0.0 without some alliances. I also find it very humorous how BoB haters actually help BoB and build BoB's reputation by acting like they are the ultimate evil. They are just another organization in the game, doing what they can to succeed.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:56:00 - [337] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. I think allot off people fight to win or for cash this days ,they don't fight because they like to. I'am guilty of this too because i was a bob slave but now i have seen the truth and so will they ,the hard way or the easy way. What they dont seem to grasp is that after the wars ,after all off the drama ,the only thing that matters is respect and honor.Eventually all hell will brake loose and the tenants will reap what they sow.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.21 15:14:00 - [338] Originally by: Forum Troll Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. I prefer to be on the winning side personally, and I do feel my contributions play a part, not sure how large or possibly insignificant, in the eventual domination of 0.0 space by BoB. I'd like to think we are allies more than tenants, and maybe given time, and after proving our worth, BoB will look at us as more than tenants, and will really appreciate us as lesser equals (because they are the best and did build all this) or allies. They won't. (ooh a two word answer, I have been infected by DBitis)
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.21 16:09:00 - [339] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry They won't. (ooh a two word answer, I have been infected by DBitis) So where are you going to go now Fitz? Just curious if you have found a new home yet? I would have to assume the past few days have made that a top priority for you and your kind.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.21 16:52:00 - [340] Originally by: Forum Troll ...BoB will look at us as more than tenants, and will really appreciate us as lesser equals... We don't respect cowards / alt-posters. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.

Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.21 17:15:00 - [341] Originally by: Forum Troll Originally by: Fitz Chivalry They won't. (ooh a two word answer, I have been infected by DBitis) So where are you going to go now Fitz? Just curious if you have found a new home yet? I would have to assume the past few days have made that a top priority for you and your kind. We're in your base, killing your doodz
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.01.21 17:31:00 - [342] Edited by: Nastratu on 21/01/2007 17:28:01 Some people play EVE with their head. Others play with their feelings/ego. And these two groups will never understand each other completely. The reason why BoB will never dominate EVE universe is that this second kind of players will always be there to challenge it. So relax guys. Take a deep breath and enjoy your subscriptions.
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.22 02:24:00 - [343] Originally by: Nastratu Edited by: Nastratu on 21/01/2007 17:45:10 Edited by: Nastratu on 21/01/2007 17:28:01 Some people play EVE with their head. Others play with their feelings/ego. And these two groups will never understand each other completely. I play with my head. That is why I see nothing wrong with BoB or renting from BoB in the cotext of this game. The reason why BoB will never dominate EVE universe is that this second kind of players will always be there to challenge it. So relax guys. Take a deep breath and enjoy your subscriptions. Good post mate. Initially the game was played with the heart, now I play with the head with a side of heart, and tbh even playing with 1/4 of a brain just had envy. Thats a sin, don't envy. Ffs, covet ok, not as bad, but envy? C'mon, wouldn't you rather covet? _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
M3ta Amarr Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:49:00 - [344] Originally by: Amthrianius Discussion of modartions, Bans or warnings is not allowed on the eve-o forums. hutch. What's a "modartion"? ------------------------------ loose != lose you're != your it's != its (CCP, fix Moa) they're != there != their hanger != hangar rouge != rogue then != than (CCP, fix POS defense tab)
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:54:00 - [345] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. Quoted in case the tinfoil hattery proves to be true. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:41:00 - [346] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/01/2007 13:25:00 Aye but this game is about fighting not submitting. Whether or not you make shed loads of isk as a caretaker alliance is besides the point, you can make isk anywhere. As it stands you're just contributing to the future stagnation of 0.0. What is it now? 5 or 6 subdued regions being run by caretakers? It works theres no doubt about it, and BoB play this game to win, but why help them achieve what will ultimately be their victory, not yours? Wouldn't it be more fun to fight the overwhelming force? It's hard to see past the flames and posts full of stuff like "slaves on a leesh" and what not but I believe the sensible people opposed to BoB make some very good points. This pacification of 0.0 isn't fun for anyone but them. Anyway this isn't going to change your minds but to whom ever it may concern, for future reference think about tomorrow a bit more, not just today. Quoted in case the tinfoil hattery proves to be true. NATMav, if you agree with the parts about "pacification" of 0.0, then what difference does it make if it is BoB, D2, or LV? All alliances in 0.0 do the same thing (well the big ones), and D2 is the mother of all pacification with all the NAPs etc going on up north. And as someone in BoB said in another thread, there's always room for "rebel" alliances


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