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Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:24:00 - [211] Originally by: dan drorgar It would have been a perfectly sane choice to simply stay in Outer Ring and defend it against intruders. Under the assumption that must alliances want to build a home somewhere leaving outer ring isnt all that suprising. Its a horrible region. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:37:00 - [212] And here's what happens as soon as they miss a payment: http://youtube.com/watch?v=h5HP8H-Jvoc Be Chaotic Neutral
Toppar Wear Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:58:00 - [213] Originally by: Porter Hadlend And here's what happens as soon as they miss a payment: http://youtube.com/watch?v=h5HP8H-Jvoc Nah not really.. They will kick their ass, find new pets and give them a -10. But its one funny clip
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:00:00 - [214] Yeah I just wanted the actual fight sequence itself really... ;) Be Chaotic Neutral
Fallen Buckshot Amarr Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:18:00 - [215] Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 10/01/2007 If you knew the history of RISE and SGHQ and REZ, you would never have guessed they would side with BoB. But that just goes to show you how totaly ***ty D2 must have been in their relationship to RISE. D2 are nothing but backstabbers. Period. Yup that pretty much sums it up imho.*
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:46:00 - [216] Originally by: Raul necrobie I ( and COLSUP ) was an Fountain alliance member for two years, i fought BoB and Xelas every day with REZ and BIG... I can't believe RISE will do it ... i am ashamed. Raul. Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. RISE do whatever they want to do, Jesus, it's a game. ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster in the hand.
Raul necrobie Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:00:00 - [217] Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. And Fire' my dear french friend, Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Tau Ceti Federation Video.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:15:00 - [218] Originally by: Raul necrobie Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Jesus was a messenger of god, so he will get back to you with a message from SirMolle in short order. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Fafer Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:21:00 - [219] Originally by: Raul necrobie Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. You can now sell your soul in Eve? You really take all this too serious. Keep you soul near your real life family and friends m8. This is game and you're supposed to have fun.
Icarius	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:22:00 - [220] let check bob killboard after 2 year, every day, raul killed 1 bob gratz \o/
Raul necrobie Minmatar COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:31:00 - [221] Edited by: Raul necrobie on 10/01/2007 18:29:25 Originally by: Icarius let check bob killboard after 2 year, every day, raul killed 1 bob gratz \o/ PS : and so, my post are just humoristic, Dianabolic answer win Tau Ceti Federation Video.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:55:00 - [222] Originally by: Buxaroo If you knew the history of RISE and SGHQ and REZ, you would never have guessed they would side with BoB. But that just goes to show you how totaly ****ty D2 must have been in their relationship to RISE. D2 are nothing but backstabbers. Period. That really hit the nail on the head. Nicely put Buxaroo ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:09:00 - [223] i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what they want. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:20:00 - [224] Originally by: Raul necrobie Quote: Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. Some guys don't sell their soul for a sum of isk. And Fire' my dear french friend, Jesus has nothing to do with BoB or RISE Sell your soul? WTF are you babbling about? So if I join the wrong alliance, I am going to hell? Do you even realize how pathetically stupid you sound? "Father, forgive me for I have sinned." "What did you do, my son?" "I joined the wrong alliance in Eve." Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:26:00 - [225] Originally by: Baymm "Father, forgive me for I have sinned." "What did you do, my son?" "I joined the wrong alliance in Eve." ROFL! So, guess i should make an official announcment about this to keep the forums a fun place? ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:27:00 - [226] Not selling your soul really. But you are buying your (temporary) prosperity from BoB. Trusting BoB is foolish. It's like giving half your lunch money to the playground bully hoping they'll leave you enough for a sandwich. Next week they'll want the other half. I believe the proper term for it in European history is 'Danegeld'. Once you give it, you'll never be rid of them. But hey, its your playtime, do what you like.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:45:00 - [227] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Not selling your soul really. But you are buying your (temporary) prosperity from BoB. Trusting BoB is foolish. It's like giving half your lunch money to the playground bully hoping they'll leave you enough for a sandwich. Next week they'll want the other half. I believe the proper term for it in European history is 'Danegeld'. Once you give it, you'll never be rid of them. But hey, its your playtime, do what you like. Really? Because form what I see and from past history, itÆs all the BoB haters that are the ones that turn on their friends as soon as someone does not play the game to their liking. Whenever someone parts ways with BoB, most of the time, unless they burned the bridge themselves, BoB wishes people GL and letÆs them go do what they want to do. RISE now sees what kind of allies they had in the first place and what kind of BS BoB members have to put up with every day. Welcome to The Darkens, RISE. Soon enough you will realize that BoB are the good guys in EVE and the rest our fan boys are a bunch of jealous, bitter, closed minded, people that would turn on their mother if she joined BoB. Quite embarrassing and pathetic indeed. The truth will set you free
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:06:00 - [228] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 10/01/2007 20:06:49 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 10/01/2007 20:05:05 I can smell a Rose in Feytha :p (sorry had to) [A] Raul, Rise just admit that : 1 - Bob is strong 2 - Bob needs us to be destroyed at their place in Feyth 3 - Bob need urgently a third party in the east war because east are now two blocks. Bob don't want ally one party, they only need pets. Both sides have things to tell with a gun to Rise, and Bob need really elite tricks to hold Rise there, even political/spyitical/naugthy moves (aka corp theft like they did) to confuse both side of the east war, to the single purpose they won't ally themselves aginst Rise and Bob. 4 - Bob need a buffer, they can't hold SW/S/SE alone. So what my conclusion with that intel is Rise is now an official Bob pet (loosing something to me, nevermind). Also Rise's motives are funny. They have everything to loose, only relative isk to gain. Bob have : - this move fails, well Rise fall, Bob win a little by pacifying another block - this move fails badly, Bob is attacked, Bob loose sligthly former ASCN's regions. - this move fails badly, east unify, Bob loose great (but this'll never happen since any alliance council is full of their alts - thrust Bob, they don't want this to happen so they manage to make this impossible) - this move win, Bob have a buckler, they win. All I can see is Bob winning here, it's a nice move I think. Let's wait for the official Rise announcement when they'll claims Feyth. [B] About Bob's dream I can't understand something. Now, they are 1800. If Bob have difficuties with 6 or so 0 regions, they'll never acheive to hold more than, say 10 with 3600 ppl around. Now, do you think more ppl will join Bob to conquer the whole 0 regions ? I don't think so. Holding 20 0 regions can't be made by nobody. CCP will throw more 0 regions before any attempts to do so. Unacheivable dream amha. Anyway keep on dreaming guys... 0 needs targets so you'll be soon be targets for evryone. Now, Bob is the Hunter. If they deploy too much I'm sure in 6 month they'll become a prey. Hence the Bob move, hence the title of the expention REVELATIONS. As you said to me yesterday Raul, next six month will be fascinating. :)
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:30:00 - [229] Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. Fact: BoB makes slave corps pay a significant fee to hold the space on BoB's behalf. Fact: BoB does not secure the space for you, you are responsible for local security, while BoB does its thing elsewhere. Ask Delve, Fountain residents about the response time of the BoB police during the ASCN conflict. Fact: BoB reserves the right to kick said slave corp out any time it gets a better offer or gets its panties in a twist. Fact: The life of a slave corp depends on the whim of BoB, which has demonstrated that it is willing to kick out a slave corp for additional profit or any other reason it considers valid. Conclusion: Becoming a BoB slave corp is not necessarily a winning proposition if you value stability or even your dignity. Unless you are BoB. Then its a win. Basically my statement was not that BoB are evil, or that anyone who takes their offer is evil. Only that once a corp becomes a slave corp, it is stuck with BoB forever. Thus the 'Danegeld' comment. Noone else is likely to value someone as much who sold their independence that easily. Note that if you are BoB, this is a fantastic deal, and if you can get people to bite, more power to you. I don't have any feelings one way or the other about RISE, and while I enjoy blowing up BoB, and find you to be silly forum *****s much of the time, I don't lack in respect for your staying power or fighting skills. I reserve my negative feelings for those of your slave corps who filled their own wallets at ASCN expense and were quick to dash off and suck on BoB's teat as soon as it was offered. You know who you are. Anyhow. If you can't take the truth and have to get all defensive about it, then it's not me who is bitter. It's simply a reflection of a certain governance style. One which bears a strong similarity to schoolyard bullying and lunch money, and a passing resemblance to the Roman Empire. In game terms, it works, for now. Just don't stretch yourself too thin. When the bully isn't standing there looking over his little victims, they sometimes revolt. And if a bigger bully shows up, well, you're stuck between him and your former victims. Don't expect much mercy. In other words, be prepared to lie in the bed you made. It might be comfortable, it might be painful, but it's yours. It worked for the Romans till the barbarians showed up.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:37:00 - [230] I wrote a post a while back about "The Bob Model". Now would be a good time to take another look at it. You are seeing a couple of things in this thread that demonstrate it in action. Already the rhetoric is starting to heat up toward potential next targets. This time they're "untrusthworty backstabbers", last time they were "lying slanderers". It's just grist for the mill, both to work themselves up, and to try to distance whomever will be next from everyone else. Keep an eye on what they're saying, and who they're saying it about, and it will give you some clue as to their next move. Who they are pulling away from whom to install in Feyth should also give you a clue. Those who do not learn from history (both real history and Eve history) are doomed to repeat it. Fun stuff to watch, BoB, thanks for the show. Drusus
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:07:00 - [231] The problem is most ppl here are peons in their corp. I could say "beware bob, i'm attacking both hte north and hte south with my ally yaarrr", I'll still be a (lying ? not lying ?) sample in my ally. My point of view is like a shuttle vs TCF's dread so who cares. I'm just analysing data. I already said it's a nice move for Bob, a dumb for Rise, and more pewpew for somebody in the East. Now 10000 people won't care of me, I'll just put link here after, it'll be great for my ego :p
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 11:14:00 - [232] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. Fact: BoB makes slave corps pay a significant fee to hold the space on BoB's behalf. Fact: BoB does not secure the space for you, you are responsible for local security, while BoB does its thing elsewhere. Ask Delve, Fountain residents about the response time of the BoB police during the ASCN conflict. Fact: BoB reserves the right to kick said slave corp out any time it gets a better offer or gets its panties in a twist. Fact: The life of a slave corp depends on the whim of BoB, which has demonstrated that it is willing to kick out a slave corp for additional profit or any other reason it considers valid. Conclusion: Becoming a BoB slave corp is not necessarily a winning proposition if you value stability or even your dignity. Unless you are BoB. Then its a win. Basically my statement was not that BoB are evil, or that anyone who takes their offer is evil. Only that once a corp becomes a slave corp, it is stuck with BoB forever. Thus the 'Danegeld' comment. Noone else is likely to value someone as much who sold their independence that easily. Note that if you are BoB, this is a fantastic deal, and if you can get people to bite, more power to you. I don't have any feelings one way or the other about RISE, and while I enjoy blowing up BoB, and find you to be silly forum *****s much of the time, I don't lack in respect for your staying power or fighting skills. I reserve my negative feelings for those of your slave corps who filled their own wallets at ASCN expense and were quick to dash off and suck on BoB's teat as soon as it was offered. You know who you are. Anyhow. If you can't take the truth and have to get all defensive about it, then it's not me who is bitter. It's simply a reflection of a certain governance style. One which bears a strong similarity to schoolyard bullying and lunch money, and a passing resemblance to the Roman Empire. In game terms, it works, for now. Just don't stretch yourself too thin. When the bully isn't standing there looking over his little victims, they sometimes revolt. And if a bigger bully shows up, well, you're stuck between him and your former victims. Don't expect much mercy. In other words, be prepared to lie in the bed you made. It might be comfortable, it might be painful, but it's yours. It worked for the Romans till the barbarians showed up. Sounds like u talking about D2 ? Strange every time u say BOB it sounds like D2 to me .
Kat Jupiter Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:12:00 - [233] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Raul necrobie I ( and COLSUP ) was an Fountain alliance member for two years, i fought BoB and Xelas every day with REZ and BIG... I can't believe RISE will do it ... i am ashamed. Raul. Get your head off your screen, relax, get a smoke, smile, it's a game and there is no shame in a game. RISE do whatever they want to do, Jesus, it's a game. QFT
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 16:51:00 - [234] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Mmm, little defensive there Metal Dude? I don't think anything I said was even really a criticism of BoB and its tactics. Merely a recognition of the drawbacks of slave corp status. YAP YAP YAP . You sure do know allot of how we operate and how we run our relationships with Tenant corps. Please continue to make stuff up, its a good story. Slave corps? Pets? I would ask those corps who choose to reside in our space how they perceive themselves before making assumptions you cannot back up.
Troubadour Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:18:00 - [235] Edited by: Troubadour on 11/01/2007 17:18:59 Seriously, gotta love people who demonize bob for making good decisions. There is nothing wrong with bringing in alliances to help patrol/inhabit your regions. Looks like RISE finally realized that "Hey, BoB aren't such bad guys after all." and worked out a rather kickass deal for an entire region. And frankly all this stuff about corps/alliances operating with BoB or in BoB space being *****es is rubbish. BoB put down clear terms for moving into or using their space. You either accept them, or you don't. There is no changing of the rules on a whim or anything like that. It's their space, if you want to use it, you have to follow their rules. SL has spent much time in Delve and working with BoB and we have seen many people break these rules, then get kicked out and/or spanked, and then claim that BoB turned on them. You break the rules, you catch hell for it. And from what I have seen, BoB is quite a bit more tolerant then other alliances with their rules. Offering some understanding if say, someone is NPCing in the wrong system or something. Hell I've even popped a standingless hauler alt or two with phat loots of theirs and they didn't flip out, because they know it's NBSI and their own fault for not informing us and we are just doing what is asked of us. They put down clear terms, and expect you to abide by them. What is so wrong with that?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:29:00 - [236] I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead.
Kariss Gallente Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:40:00 - [237] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. _
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:45:00 - [238] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. That's no fix, the two go hand in hand Self interest, go look it up. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:45:00 - [239] Originally by: Kariss Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i find it funny when ppl say rise shouldve stayed in outer ring. what do u think could rise achieve with the ressource in outer ring, u cant get enough money to keep ur ppl in battleships thorugh a serious war there, not enough money tog et a capital fleet, not enough of anything to become a powerful alliance . rise got a good deal with us and so got a better chance to achieve what we want. Fixed it for you. That's no fix, the two go hand in hand Self interest, go look it up. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:48:00 - [240] Originally by: Herculite I have to wonder..... Would any alliances allow the renter corps BoB has into their space for free? If you were a smaller/casual corp and wanted 0.0 without having to play territory games, in good areas, I can't think of another way to do it besides being a renter corp. I'd guess BoB's evil empire has granted access to 0.0 to more people than ISS's freespace, and just how is that ISS thing doing these days, and what alliance is swallowing them whole? This is a video game, if you would rather fight BoB than join them, thats fine and fun, they would get bored if you didn't, but don't get all emo and mellodramatic over pixels. Feyth is a great region, BoB gets isk from taxes and fees, Rise will get a ton of isk from the mins and such. Rise couldn't have killed ASCN, BoB doesn't want to hold all that space personally, its a Win Win. GL to Rise and the former ASCN corps in the area, should be fun times ahead. Go and lay down in your basket Rover

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