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petition maker1	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:24:00 - [271] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:41:00 - [272] good luck rise and I understand the reason behind it, but wwe could have conqoured one of the new regions together :( Join The Fight With Promo Today
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:46:00 - [273] Originally by: petition maker1 Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Fact remains. Its BOB's space. Its BOB's stations. Its BOB's rules. BOB needs a meatshield there so it can go do other things. It wants to tax someone and just like FIX or CORM or Xelas or the Paragon Soul puppets, you are there to hold BOB space and pay BOB taxes. Nothing more. You want to be proud of this, fine...just don't expects others to see it your way. In many eyes, your going to be labelled a slave alliance at the beckoning of BOB's commands. You will fulfil those commands or risk be kicked out . Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears. Somehow, I don't see that as happening, since you don't even have the balls to post with your main.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:36:00 - [274] Originally by: MeatwagonUK Killboard says otherwise but whatever I'm referring to various territorial disputes RISE has been a part of. Not roaming gank squads.
Mancen Minmatar Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:36:00 - [275] I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun)
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:49:00 - [276] Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:53:00 - [277] Originally by: welsh wizard Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one. There is more to Eve than fighting BoB.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:54:00 - [278] Edited by: welsh wizard on 12/01/2007 01:52:37 edit: time will tell.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:04:00 - [279] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 12/01/2007 01:52:37 edit: time will tell. The Princess is not in this castle ---------------
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:53:00 - [280] Quote: Could care less how you see it, or anyone else really. If you see me as a slave, then you will just feel worse when I pod your cry baby arse. Keep crying, cause I'd like to quench my thirst on another cup of your tears. Oh don't you worry, you will get your chance Slave.

ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:12:00 - [281] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 12/01/2007 04:08:48 Originally by: Mancen On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. For that to happen I believe the first part required is that you be an target of Bob going by the normal direction CoAD forum warrior targets take...... Originally by: Cap'n Jackk Originally by: welsh wizard Well if your chief concern is making isk then you got a good deal. If you prefer playing Eve then you got a raw one. There is more to Eve than fighting BoB. And there is more to Eve than making isk... I don't dislike or hate RISE for making this choice tbh I don't even know that much about you except that you were D2 allies at one point.... I was suprised by the desicion sure but seems that atm you either go with BoB or go against them in the polarisation of Eve politics and by that nature your choice planted yourself on one side of the political spectrum whether that is good or bad for you will remain to be seen I suppose but in the mean time enjoy living in feyth you would be hard pushed to find a region with a better infastructure station wise in Eve.... oh and watch out for triple A not the easiest of neighbours you have bought yourself.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:05:00 - [282] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Dianabolic How is it, being RAT's *****es? For the analogy to be valid, wouldnt they have to pay a monthly fee to RAT? RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben How to fix Eve
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:18:00 - [283] Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Your calculations are wrong, you have forgotten about the death toll that we and AAA will demand from you. Ok, maybe i sound a little cryptic, Xelas can explain. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Afonso Henriques Minmatar The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:26:00 - [284] Originally by: Sextus Licinius Originally by: Mancen I make around 350-400 million ISK ratting in BoB space, I pay BoB 5-7 million, on their program. Net gain 343-393 million ISK. I think my corp really wishes we would have got in on this whole BoB slavery thing earlier. :) My corp was pretty nuetral really to D2 and BoB. We had no prior history in EvE really, except a small stint in ISS to learn some 0.0. (We apreciated the opportunity btw.) We did fight in the RONIN war, and help our alliance in OR. But was it these evil BoB people we had heard about sending raiding gangs into our space during the RONIN war? Negative it wasn't BoB it was D2 gangs. Was it the evil BoB scum camping the pipeline from OR to Orvolle? Negative, it was these D2 fellas. On the same token, is it these evil BoB people doing nothing but smack talking my corp and alliance in public forums? Negative. Shadow Gypsies being a young corp, without any attached prior EvE drama, look forward to making the best of this financial deal with Mr.Bob and their Emperor SirMolle. If a few Ewok villages want to spam angry rhetoric from their forest hovels, they should remember they don't pay our bills. (/salute to Promo and Big was fun) Your calculations are wrong, you have forgotten about the death toll that we and AAA will demand from you. Ok, maybe i sound a little cryptic, Xelas can explain. There are no npc stations in Feythabolis, I don't think you are a concern.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:55:00 - [285] Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 05:57:10 Speaking as an ex-member of Rise, I feel more qualified to comment on their move than others from this side of the fence, but their comments are certainly accurate. We left late-summer last year on bad terms after wondering why people, for example, didn't help defend a Rise carrier which was being ganked in a belt for around 20 minutes by, oh the irony, a BoB gank squad. That was the pretty much the last straw for us, and the events following around the 10/10 system they held confirmed our decision to leave. There were myriad other reasons we realised it was a duff alliance, and while I hope they have changed, the people at the top seem the same so who knows. Not my problem. This move seems ill-informed to me, and sadly by selling out any remaining credibility (with people non-aligned with BoB) as a sovereign alliance you're going to find it hard should anything go wrong. But, yknow, I wish you luck, and all that. Some good people were there at the time, maybe we'll run into each other again. edit: just to be clear, this is from our 133rd Ghost Wing days, nothing to do with Collective, who are as ugly as they come ;)
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:57:00 - [286] How could they betray there E-Honor and E-pride for fun and something they want!?! And they are clearly slaves because well they can't leave at anytime for empire or another region or anything like that. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 06:42:00 - [287] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 12/01/2007 06:38:56 Originally by: xeom How could they betray there E-Honor and E-pride for fun and something they want!?! And they are clearly slaves because well they can't leave at anytime for empire or another region or anything like that. Yes, BoB GM's keep our E-Freedom in check by tying our accounts to a limited number of systems in Eve. We could, say, leave on good terms down the road. We have all agreed that this is primarily an economic relationship. We are tenants, after all; a tenant is not a slave. BoB, after all, would understand the nature of changing politics over time. EDIT: Aesthetics.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.12 07:59:00 - [288] Originally by: Ben Derindar [ RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben Hmm.. how very interesting, is this actually true?
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:08:00 - [289] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ben Derindar [ RAT don't allow the other AAA corps to run their complexes, so the net result is the same. /Ben Hmm.. how very interesting, is this actually true? I remember killing a COL carrier with FiX a few month back at an AAA 10/10 so I dont think its true... unless it changed since. Dian the reason people are and always have called fix "bob *****es" is because the general perception is they where about to lose their last station when bob walked in and wiped the floor with their enemies, and that is how they got their space back. Wheter its true or not it thats what everyone thinks. - Gob
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:24:00 - [290] Originally by: Dynast It isn't, really. Pretty much anyone who feels like it can make their home in Fountain, for example. I'd know, having done so for a month. BoB is big on the 'capture the flag' wins, and has the pixels that proclaim them sovereigns, but in practice they have very little actual influence on events in several of their claimed regions. Hiding in some dead end system and running to safespot to cloak hardly constitutes "making a home" for oneself. People are welcome to come live in the core though, YZ and MN5 are getting rather quiet these days. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:10:00 - [291] Edited by: Dianabolic on 12/01/2007 14:06:57 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Dian the reason people are and always have called fix "bob ***es" is because the general perception is they where about to lose their last station when bob walked in and wiped the floor with their enemies, and that is how they got their space back. Wheter its true or not it thats what everyone thinks. Sure, I understand where YOU are coming from, Gobs, what I want to know is how mr Black Lance up there ^^ feels he is qualified to talk about anyone being a "slave" when they are FAR from equal even in their OWN alliance. We are indeed "in charge" of our space (flame on all you parasite residents that ultimately don't affect us one bit, take the comment for what it is), we make no bones about taking the best bits for ourselves and renting out the rest - that doesn't make those who rent from us "slaves", nor *es, merely tenants. People may also say, and feel justified in doing so, that FIX are our "*es". Ask FIX how we rectified the A-5 issue that came to pass through a failure in communications, that Chris Multsanti brought up, it may well lead to an incredible enlightenment for the rest of eve. No one is our *, everyone in our space can leave at any time they wish, those that have done so having been on our guest program have, to the very last one, been refunded their deposit, every single one. People throw the terms around in the hope that the more they say it, the more true it will become and the more people will believe it, yet our actions knock down these claims every_single_day. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Brian Ballbag	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:29:00 - [292] I can tell this decision was made by the ISK hungry americans in RISE. Crap alliance, i got well out of it, one minute they call BOB names, the next they are wedged up em...
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:49:00 - [293] When I was in ASCN the HC liked to talk about G slaves and BoB slaves all the time, with the implication that the average members of ASCN was much better off and somehow "free". Mind you, you couldn't post on eve-o for 90% of last year, you couldn't dare say anything negative about the HC on the internal forums without getting a threat of a kick, you couldn't do something they didn't like without getting 'blacklisted', 'member' corps were by no means equal and your taxes went to projects that in the end did nothing for you personally, or even collectively. Would BoB be better if they allowed corps into their 'alliance' and then did the same things they are doing now? Every big alliance has their dominant corps who get most of the alliance goodies. I think BoB is more honest about it in that they give you a set fee, you know up front what you are getting and what you are paying for. Being a newish member of FIX I missed all the fun they had with BoB, but I can tell you that BoB hasn't made a single isk off me, which I guess makes me a pretty useless slave.
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:56:00 - [294] Edited by: dan drorgar on 12/01/2007 14:54:08 Originally by: Morris Falter Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 05:57:10 Speaking as an ex-member of Rise, I feel more qualified to comment on their move than others from this side of the fence, but their comments are certainly accurate. It's funny how those who got kicked out of RISE for various reasons feel most qualified to speak for the alliance. I remember how your corp mates in 133GW spammed the alliance channel to get your corp kicked out of RISE, very mature and original: Quote: [ 2006.09.20 14:48:09 ] Kasak Black > Hey RISE you suck! [ 2006.09.20 14:48:31 ] Sovereign533 > ok, directors orders: I AGREE!!! [ 2006.09.20 14:49:45 ] Sovereign533 > what do we need to do to get kicked btw? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:39 ] Sovereign533 > smack on the eve-o forums -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:45 ] Sovereign533 > spam alliance -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:51 ] Sovereign533 > smack alliance mates -> check [ 2006.09.20 14:50:53 ] Sovereign533 > what else? [ 2006.09.20 14:50:54 ] Kasak Black > w [ 2006.09.20 14:50:56 ] Kasak Black > eawea [ 2006.09.20 14:50:57 ] Kasak Black > weaweaweaeaeae [ 2006.09.20 14:50:58 ] Kasak Black > ddd [ 2006.09.20 14:50:59 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:00 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:01 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:02 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:03 ] Kasak Black > sss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:05 ] Kasak Black > ss [ 2006.09.20 14:51:24 ] Sovereign533 > ohw... smack in local -> check, multiple times [ 2006.09.20 14:51:30 ] Sovereign533 > multiple members [ 2006.09.20 14:51:38 ] Kasak Black > Hey sov you know who sucks? [ 2006.09.20 14:52:47 ] Iss Hogai > guys, if you are here just to make fools of your selves you have accomplished with style [ 2006.09.20 14:53:25 ] Gary Goat > why do you need to be kicked? u can just leave [ 2006.09.20 14:54:14 ] Pegazus > rofl Now, incidentally that was around the time we were losing Cloud Ring. No need to find poor excuses like the noob Carrier (belt ratting, not paying attention to intel) that was lost against the Farjung gank squad (I lost a BS myself there btw., trying to help it - we tried, we just weren't good enough and organized enough to do it successfully). PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:25:00 - [295] Going to miss ya Dan. 8( Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:37:00 - [296] Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 12/01/2007 14:06:57 Ask FIX how we rectified the A-5 issue that came to pass through a failure in communications, that Chris Multsanti brought up, it may well lead to an incredible enlightenment for the rest of eve. I'll take the bait, so noone else has, as I am actually curious how this played out... Avernus, care to enlighten us ? Best Regards, JP http://www.evereserve.com
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:02:00 - [297] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 12/01/2007 18:02:56 Originally by: petition maker1 How about this. RISE actually appreciates and respects the way BoB does things and what they have done in the game so they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs. Seriously, who cares what TCF thinks or any other two-bit mouth flapping moron. It is none of your business. Deal with it punks. You are right, I am the whole TCF. Beware my dreads (edit) I have a real problem with the phrase "they have choosen to align with those who match closest with their beliefs". RISE is not an historic allied Alliance of BOB in my 6 month book. It is actually quite the contrary. Anyway... I said RISE should play as they like. I don't care. Most of non-Bob "allied" alliance jsut see them as another paying ally of Bob anyway : Bob never ally, they dominate people.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:08:00 - [298] Originally by: Baymm You just keep making stuff up as you go along. You need Imodium for your mouth. I'm sorry, I'm not fearing you. kthx
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:51:00 - [299] Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:56 Edited by: Baymm on 12/01/2007 18:49:08 Fear? Not sure why you would mention fear at all. If bringing drama to these boards brings you happiness, then that is great. I firmly believe everyone should be happy in everything they do. I would hope that you find far less drama in real life than you do in a game. Dollars to donuts says your life is the same normal routine the rest of us live. Drama free, just taking life one step at a time. I suspect you don't find deep hidden meanings in the things that occur around you nor I suspect do you measure yourself, family and friends to the moral yardstick that you set forth in this thread. In fact, I bet if all of us were to meet in a bar on the West Side of Manhattan, we would drink a beer in celebration of putting a face to the name and not a single word of this thread or Eve-drama would be spoken. I guess that is why I don't get worked up by what people do here or in game. At the end of the day, no matter what I am at the bar. Hope to see you there. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Fallen Buckshot Amarr Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:04:00 - [300] Im Jealous Baymm has his forum avatar and i dont



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