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Gharthak
Gallente
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 08:50:00 -
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Well for months I've seen advertisements from Agony Unleased for their various courses for their.. PVP University..
This past week and a half or so I've came across quite a handfull of AGONY unleased pilots pirating random members. My observations so far is that they:
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2: Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds
3: Dock for hours on end afraid that my little drake and hyperion are going to get them (this is like 2 on 6 odds keep in mind).
So this mighty university is supposed to teach people how to PVP. Once I figured I might even send a bunch of my newbs their way as I recruit them.. Let them get some training... But my question is.. Did they forget to teach their own? I'm not exactly the jedi master of PVP myself but I have to say.. these guys suck. They were trying to snipe ships at a stargate 75 km away in destroyers. :)
Oh for those in AGONY - this was when I was between into different corps.. different standings.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.11 08:58:00 -
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The few encounters I've seen from them in the pure blind area have been pretty decent. They used a lot of fast long range snipe ships (harpy, hurricanes, cormorants) and managed to use snipe spots to instant pop lots of support craft then warp away. Completely impossible to pin down. Good enough for me.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.11 09:30:00 -
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Remember one funny accounter starting in GW, when we chased them back to empire. Somehow in the first empire system a drake pilot thought the hunt is over, since he stayed at that gate watching us.
Well, two battle-cruisers can tank two sentries pretty well for a short time even the nano-hurricane that I flew and a sec. hit doesn't really hurt, if you have 5.0 already ... Guess lesson learned: Don't attack someone in 0.0 and think the fun is over in low sec, just because the opponent is no pirate. 
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 11:14:00 -
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Many moons ago I was with a gang of em who knowingly engaged a Bob Bs gang in syndicate, everyone was in a frigate. Admitadly we did get pounded but at that point there was no fear of engaging heavy odds.
I cant say how they are now though since that incident lies 6 months in the past, I still continue to endorse their Basic course for beginner pvp pilots, they really do supply a crapton of useful information.
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Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar
Decimus Corp
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.11 11:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Plutoinum
Well, two battle-cruisers can tank two sentries pretty well for a short time even the nano-hurricane that I flew and a sec. hit doesn't really hurt, if you have 5.0 already ... Guess lesson learned: Don't attack someone in 0.0 and think the fun is over in low sec, just because the opponent is no pirate.
Such a shame that your alliance now actively endorses piracy and flies alongside such as allies....guess it's not just GW you guys lost...but a certain amount of your moral values as well!
This is my view...and although it may be shared by others...I do not speak on their behalf..nor on the behalf of my corp,my alliance or any other entity.
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.01.11 11:31:00 -
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I am afraid I disagree with the OP. I was a carebear, we all are when we start out playing. I was getting owned every time I stepped out into zero sec by veterans. Basically all I was good for was gank bait. I saw the ads on the forums, I went and did their basic course, learned heaps and came back for their wolfpack course.
The instructors are very good. They love the game. They teach noobs how to survive in the nastiest space. Agony have earned my respect for what they did for me. And I recommend their courses to anyone new to the game.
As for your experience, well, all I can say is that you only gloat over victories against a worthy foe.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/01/2007 12:14:05
Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/01/2007 12:08:18
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: Plutoinum
Well, two battle-cruisers can tank two sentries pretty well for a short time even the nano-hurricane that I flew and a sec. hit doesn't really hurt, if you have 5.0 already ... Guess lesson learned: Don't attack someone in 0.0 and think the fun is over in low sec, just because the opponent is no pirate.
Such a shame that your alliance now actively endorses piracy and flies alongside such as allies....guess it's not just GW you guys lost...but a certain amount of your moral values as well!
This is my view...and although it may be shared by others...I do not speak on their behalf..nor on the behalf of my corp,my alliance or any other entity.
Lol. Our policy has always been NBSI in 0.0 and fire-at-will at hostiles in low sec. There we are even less aggressive than alliances, who allow piracy.
And for sure, if someone attacks someone of us, he counts as hostile. Doesn't even require setting them from neutral to red first.
And if you talk about INFOD, they are ex-V and yes they are pirates. So what ? We also fly with LV and some of them are known pirates. Can't say that I care much. They follow their policy with neutrals in low sec and we ours.
There are more important things in EVE than to debate about how to treat neutrals in low sec, when it comes to alliance politics. 
edit: This was also just my personal view of course ! Good that I'm not a diplomat. Hrhr. 
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
edit: This was also just my personal view of course ! Good that I'm not a diplomat. Hrhr.
Heh
/me think you should be tbh
Of everone still in V you make the most sense I reckon.
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Saint Battalion
Decepticons of War
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:18:00 -
[9]
Agony PVP school in operation
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gharthak
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2: Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds
3: Dock for hours on end afraid that my little drake and hyperion are going to get them (this is like 2 on 6 odds keep in mind).
This actually sounds like perfect preparation for how most people fight in 0.0.
===This is a sig===
"no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz
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Crellion
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:19:00 -
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They are not 100% useless but they do suck quite bad...
They probably need to get their faculty member to learn a few things and then start teaching others tbh... In syndicate at least ... they are less dangerous than the Serpentis tbh 
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:24:00 -
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Please train in Fade more, AGONY. The residents need training!
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
They are not 100% useless but they do suck quite bad...
They probably need to get their faculty member to learn a few things and then start teaching others tbh... In syndicate at least ... they are less dangerous than the Serpentis tbh
Actual quote from agony guy:
"How do you rat up here? These serpentis rats are really tough!"
Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
WhiteBull
Minmatar
EDEN IN EVE
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:01:00 -
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I can only speak from my own experience. The PVP course they offered was fantastic!
We engaged all kinds of targets, single ships, multiple ships, BS's, etc. etc. We camped a gate in Syndicate for a while, and eventually the locals sent a gang of about 15 to break up our camp. We warped to a safe spot when they came (we really had no chance), and part of the course was teaching us how to use safe spots while we were being pursued. We never left the system while they were hunting us. Eventually the gang gave up and we then moved on to other targets.
Best 6 hours of EVE I have had really. A lot of fun and I learned a lot.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/01/2007 12:27:46
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: Plutoinum
Well, two battle-cruisers can tank two sentries pretty well for a short time even the nano-hurricane that I flew and a sec. hit doesn't really hurt, if you have 5.0 already ... Guess lesson learned: Don't attack someone in 0.0 and think the fun is over in low sec, just because the opponent is no pirate.
Such a shame that your alliance now actively endorses piracy and flies alongside such as allies....guess it's not just GW you guys lost...but a certain amount of your moral values as well!
This is my view...and although it may be shared by others...I do not speak on their behalf..nor on the behalf of my corp,my alliance or any other entity.
Lol. Our policy has always been NBSI in 0.0 and fire-at-will at hostiles in low sec. There we are even less aggressive than alliances, who allow piracy.
And for sure, if some neutral attacks someone of us, he counts as hostile. Doesn't even require setting him from neutral to red first.
And if you talk about INFOD, they are ex-V and yes they are pirates. So what ? We also fly with LV and some of them are known pirates. Can't say that I care much. They follow their policy with neutrals in low sec and we ours.
There are more important things in EVE than to debate about how to treat neutrals in low sec, when it comes to alliance politics.
edit: This was also just my personal view of course ! Good that I'm not a diplomat. Hrhr.
And no hard feelings to Agony Unleashed of course. It's just that a pvp situation doesn't automatically end, because you have jumped to empire and there are sentries. 
I don't agree with -v- very often but I agree with them on this one.
Them agony guys just gank people once the numbers get close they just run to empire again. I would have done the samething as -v-.
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Kaar
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.11 16:32:00 -
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They will go for a fight when leading a course...but individual members tend to shy away from pvp.
Good guys most of them, wish they would sell my their wolfpack script :<
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:47:00 -
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Since when did shooting a hostile in lowsec become "piracy". It's no more piracy than shooting them in 0.0 is. According to your logic I can go out to 0.0 and ransom pods and not be a pirate just because it's 0.0 and lawless.
Pirates are defined by their actions, not their location. 
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:47:00 -
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Since when did shooting a hostile in lowsec become "piracy". It's no more piracy than shooting them in 0.0 is. According to your logic I can go out to 0.0 and ransom pods and not be a pirate just because it's 0.0 and lawless.
Pirates are defined by their actions, not their location.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Such a shame that your alliance now actively endorses piracy and flies alongside such as allies....guess it's not just GW you guys lost...but a certain amount of your moral values as well!
If it's a known hostile who was attacking alliance members in your claimed space, how can it possibly be piracy? Does all combat in low sec space automatically fall under the stamp of piracy?
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:18:00 -
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<3
1) Even odds != fair fight, especially considering most of our members are much newer than the people we're fighting
2) Odds != advantage. 3 frigs don't have the advantage over 1 BS.
3) I'd love to kill your drake, thanks for offering.
Also, as far as criticizing our PVP Uni... we offer a better service for pvp training than any other entity in EVE. It's easy to criticize and poke fun, but really we provide a gateway into PvP that no one else has been able to match. We've had hundreds of satisfied customers, and opened up the best side of EVE to many who wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
It's easy to make fun of us for being "noobies" or whatever, but the bottom line is that we're actually doing something to encourage people to go into pvp, something that I think is a pretty damn good thing.
So in conclusion..
1) If you can do better then do it.
2) We fight differently, not worse.
3) We do more with 3 month old characters than many do with 3 year olds
4) Don't knock sniping destroyers till you've tried one :)
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Alexandre Martin
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 18:32:00 -
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Boom and Zoom boys, Boom and Zoom. Stupidity is never rewarded but patience always is... seriously I could go on with these one liners all day.
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Yoshi Toranaga
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Actual quote from agony guy:
"How do you rat up here? These serpentis rats are really tough!"
I remember that night. We took a small gang of 2 intys and 8 rifters to Fade to find some targets. After killing a few of you, you all left system. You then jumped in 2! smartbombing carriers, killing your own cynosaural pilot and none of us, while we were killing your interdictor 40km's away. System grew kinda quiet after that and we decided to go ratting in your space, while you camped the neighboring system with 30 odd pilots .. ever heard of sarcasm?
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Littleluk
The Ancient Order
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:21:00 -
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They have allot of personal respect from me. They don't do the local smack. They engage on their terms and are succesful on their terms. They have caught quite a few IMP targets. Their leaders fly respectable ships and effectively control the actions of their very new pilots. I know I never want to lead a fleet of 30 "how do I target another player pilots" with only 1-2 other experienced pilots. If they are engaged by a superior force or baited into a trap they respond as a team well and frequently outrun experienced 0.0 pilots to safety, no mean feat with a gang that is flying together for the first time.
Sure their students are realtively lower skilled and flying lower tiered ships but that doesn't dampen their enthusaism for the fight. Anything that leads to a love of pvp being born in new pilots is a "good thing" in my book no matter what alliance or corp that pilot goes off to join in the future. There isn't an instructor in the universe that is going to be able to take a brand new gang of brand new pilots in brand new frigates and fight equal odds vs assault frigates, cruisers and battleships. I certainly won't insult them for not doing something I wouldn't do myself. Keep doing what you do Agony. It is good for your students and good for the game. (it might even be good for IMP to be reminded to check local once in awhile)
This is a personal statement not a post as the Imperium Diplomat.
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Nova Z
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yoshi Toranaga
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Actual quote from agony guy:
"How do you rat up here? These serpentis rats are really tough!"
I remember that night. We took a small gang of 2 intys and 8 rifters to Fade to find some targets. After killing a few of you, you all left system. You then jumped in 2! smartbombing carriers, killing your own cynosaural pilot and none of us, while we were killing your interdictor 40km's away. System grew kinda quiet after that and we decided to go ratting in your space, while you camped the neighboring system with 30 odd pilots .. ever heard of sarcasm?
Yoshi - I could kiss you sometimes
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Stein Voorhees
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gharthak
Edited by: Gharthak on 11/01/2007 09:47:35
Well for months I've seen advertisements from Agony Unleased for their various courses for their.. PVP University..
This past week and a half or so I've came across quite a handfull of AGONY unleased pilots pirating random members. My observations so far is that they:
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2: Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds
3: Dock for hours on end afraid that my little drake and hyperion are going to get them (this is like 2 on 6 odds keep in mind).
So this mighty university is supposed to teach people how to PVP. Once I figured I might even send a bunch of my newbs their way as I recruit them.. Let them get some training... But my question is.. Did they forget to teach their own? I'm not exactly the jedi master of PVP myself but I have to say.. these guys need some training themselves.. :) They were trying to snipe ships at a stargate 75 km away in destroyers. :)
Oh for those in AGONY - this was when I was between into different corps.. different standings.
Gharthak,
With respect matey, you might want to go off and check with your bosses. If memory serves me right, we have been NAP'd with NEC since the start of 2007. It might explain the behaviour you have seen. We tend not to fire on Blues although if you know of anyone in AU that has, please let Rells know.
All the best,
Stein.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 11/01/2007 20:18:51
Originally by: Gharthak
Edited by: Gharthak on 11/01/2007 09:47:35
Well for months I've seen advertisements from Agony Unleased for their various courses for their.. PVP University..
This past week and a half or so I've came across quite a handfull of AGONY unleased pilots pirating random members. My observations so far is that they:
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2: Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds
3: Dock for hours on end afraid that my little drake and hyperion are going to get them (this is like 2 on 6 odds keep in mind).
Hmm quite interesting. I wonder if Marauder (executor of NEC alliance) is privy to this post. Ill be sure to link it to him. We have been NAPed with NEC for several weeks now and that MIGHT indicate why AGONY pilots dont fire on you. The smack talk here is disturbing from someone supposed to be our friend.
If NEC wants us to engage you, a cancellation of the NAP can be arranged.
Originally by: Gharthak
Edited by: Gharthak on 11/01/2007 09:47:35
So this mighty university is supposed to teach people how to PVP. Once I figured I might even send a bunch of my newbs their way as I recruit them.. Let them get some training... But my question is.. Did they forget to teach their own? I'm not exactly the jedi master of PVP myself but I have to say.. these guys need some training themselves.. :) They were trying to snipe ships at a stargate 75 km away in destroyers. :)
Oh for those in AGONY - this was when I was between into different corps.. different standings.
On saturday a fleet of the destroyers and harpys that you despise were rampaging EC-P8R sniping anything snipable on the gates. A total of four interdictors, 5 interceptors and god knows how many other ships and pods were quasi instapopped.
So yes, we were trying ... and succeeding, as you heard from the D2 pilot above.
Oh and point of Order. AGONY members are not students merely attending courses) but members of the corp. Our class students do not join AGONY.
Finally to the Eve Animal Control pilot ... . Try looking up the word "gullible". In the space of three hours we killed an interdictor, raven, 2 battlecruisers, and miscelaneous other ships in return for losing 4 tech 1 fitted tech 1 frigates. Too funny. And BTW carriers with smart bombs is a really stupid way to try and catch a frig fleet.
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Gharthak
Gallente
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:18:00 -
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Stein,
Check character corp history. Was in a different corp at the time of engagement. I wanted a change of atmosphere and ended up missing the old guys and went back to NEC. Brief change.
Anyways.
The whole intent of this post was not to start a smack fest on forums and maybe I should have made that clear. Its simply that the AGONY Unleashed pilots have shown to me bad judgements and bad tactics - example would be the solo brutix pilot who did have the guts to engage my Drake - and he didnt have a single piece of TII gear onboard and somehow thought he could win that fight?
In other words. AGONY Unleashed wants to charge tens of millions of isk of pilots/corps to train them how to PVP and their own pilots excercise bad tactics and bad judgement. If your going to pirate - pirate right correctly. :) I cant see sending my newb pilots to their courses in light of this - and several months ago I had considered it but their abilities have proven to me that its a waste of iskies in the future.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gharthak
Oh for those in AGONY - this was when I was between into different corps.. different standings.
As he stated, this occured when he was not with NEC.
I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with any of the statements in this thread, but please don't take NEC to task over this, as he was not in NEC at that time.
I also am not a diplomat, I'm just pointing this out for those that missed it.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Kristyl Jade
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:27:00 -
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I want to respond to this so badly... but I just keep coughing up smack. Anyway I feel that our killboard actually shows the opposite of what the OP is trying to say.
- Run from a fair fight? = 1 of our Merlins vs an Interceptor
- Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds? = 1 of our Merlins vs an Assault frig and a T1 Frig?
- Stay docked hours on end? Bro you do realize that alot of people just like to stay online doing stuff like running the corp / manufacturing / trading / etc. Often times a good percentage of the Agony Members docked are AFK. If we really thought you were a threat we would have killed you.
Now our killboard shows contrary evidence to what your claiming. Sure we get in gangs and kill people. Im sure there are alot of people out there that wish we would all fly completely solo in expensive ships with out voice comms / tacticals / and not use our ship scanners... Theres also a lot of people that blob us right back and with bigger ships. I guess I just dont see the point of your post.
also...
Who are we pirating? Not you and not NEC? Your old corp? Anything that flys through pure blind is game. Players out in 0.0 should know the risks and what they are doing out there. If not, Let me cordially extend an invitation to one of our pvp classes. :-)
It also seems if I may be so bold that the people that do have respect for us are those that have flown with us and those that have flown against us for any length of time. Everyone gets lucky. Everyone has a bad day. Even me. Even you. Whats really got my interest though is what we did to upset you so much?
Id also like to point out that the screen shot of several agony members corpses only proves one thing... were not BoB and we do die. 
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Yoshi Toranaga
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gharthak
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2: Run away from a fight that is numerically in their odds
Originally by: Gharthak
.. example would be the solo brutix pilot who did have the guts to engage my Drake - and he didnt have a single piece of TII gear onboard and somehow thought he could win that fight?
I'm confused O?
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gharthak
The whole intent of this post was not to start a smack fest on forums and maybe I should have made that clear.
Oh get off it that was completely your intent, the post can not be interpreted in any other way.
Originally by: Gharthak
Its simply that the AGONY Unleashed pilots have shown to me bad judgements and bad tactics - example would be the solo brutix pilot who did have the guts to engage my Drake - and he didnt have a single piece of TII gear onboard and somehow thought he could win that fight?
In one breath you say we are cowards and another breath you say an Agony pilot took on a fight in which the odds werent in his favor? Which is it? Agony pilots will somethimed engage pilots that have a good chance of killing them for the rush. Killing an ares with a crow is not nearly so much fun as killing the ares with a Merlin. Its a chance to show off skill. The fight you are referring to he lost. The next one he might have won. Or are yo uasserting that you never loose a fight?
Originally by: Gharthak
In other words. AGONY Unleashed wants to charge tens of millions of isk of pilots/corps to train them how to PVP and their own pilots excercise bad tactics and bad judgement. If your going to pirate - pirate right correctly. :) I cant see sending my newb pilots to their courses in light of this - and several months ago I had considered it but their abilities have proven to me that its a waste of iskies in the future.
Quite frankly we dont make a great deal of ISK off the courses. Not nearly the hordes of money most people think we make. This is despite every class being sold out. The fact is we do it to get people into PvP and to have fun. A class is a place to learn, not measure appendages.
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Kristyl Jade
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:35:00 -
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Quote:
A class is a place to learn, not measure appendages.
QFT!
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Zaphod Jones
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:36:00 -
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I have only really faced AU once, was a strange but fun occurence.
Scrapheap Challenge Ganknight II in Great Wildlands
A complete mixture of corps in gang (including many reds working together), AU dont suspect anything is up due to the mixture of local. My Huginn warps to gate, 3 AU inties see me and think WTF, may as well attack him, 1st one is dead before he gets within 20k the next dies at about 10k when the third starts to engage a few more of them have entered local but the ganknight boys have also just come out of warp.
I think a few of the AU class may have escaped but not many, was excellent fun, no smack, and some nice loot.
SHC Ganknight 4.5 is soon approaching beware in local.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:37:00 -
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Agony Unleashed are pretty cool, nuff said.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:40:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Kyguard
Agony Unleashed are pretty cool, nuff said.
Thanks Kyguard ... my complements to you once again. Let me know if you need a job in game. We fought so many fun engagements in Syndicate. I remember the Pilgrim Thorax battle and how we puzzled through scenarios to attempt take out you and Xtreem in your uber-raxes. Great times and great respect.
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Greater Mind
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 21:56:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Gharthak
Edited by: Gharthak on 11/01/2007 09:47:35
1: Run away from a fair fight.
2007.01.01 21:55
Victim: *****
Alliance: *****
Corp: *****
Destroyed: Raptor
System: *****
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Greater Mind (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.6
Alliance: None
Corp: Agony Unleashed
Ship: Merlin
Weapon: Foxfire Rocket
Destroyed items:
Salvager I, Qty: 6
125mm Railgun II, Qty: 2
Rocket Launcher II
Thorn Javelin Rocket, Qty: 5
Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Small Armor Repairer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
T1 fitted Merlin vs. T2 fitted interceptor? Sounds like a fair fight to me 
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Alvar Ursidae
Amarr
Decisive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:23:00 -
[37]
I just thought I might add a few cents to the comments here.
First off I am EX-Agony. My reasons for leaving are personal, as I wanted to do some different things. Things agony doesn't do, like Piracy.
Agony pilots are a VAST mix of skill sets and experiences. Some are fresh to the game, new to the characters, with just the basic skills, while others are multiple million SP characters able to fly and fit everything around. What makes Agony great, is that one thing that ties them together.
A better experience in PvP.
This does NOT come from jumping into a massive gate camp, or sitting at a gate to be ganked by bigger numbers. Loads of people smack talk about Agony in local, and here too it seems, but since proof is in the pudding they usually in game shut up once they get shown.
Agony pilots are trained to think, to apply their skill sets to the fullest, and to fly smart. As a result, if they have low numbers, they will choose to decline an engagement. I have seen BS pilots call a frigate pilot out for a 1v1. Then I have seen pilots who lose a T2 fitted BS to an agony gang, claim victory for killing 3 T1 fitted frigates!
I was in one of the most devestating destroyer classes Agony ever held. In Syndicate, we ran 30 destroyers through it from end to end, and in the end of that we had done over 1.5 BILLION ISK in damage, to a loss of about 100mil in ships and mods, in only a few hours.
Agony my not fall on your sword, and don't like a lot of players might like, instead they think about what they are doing, and most times get it right.
I think a lot of you are bitter because of Agony tactics don't allow your big nasty muscle boat to get some easy kills. Instead Agony uses real tactics, and thinks it's way through combat. Not always successfully, but they do try.
Me, I will fly with Agony at any time. Most who have flown with us them are the same, and those that have engaged in long combats with Agony have learned to respect them. The OP WAS a flame starting post. No two ways about it.
-= services =-
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:26:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Yoshi Toranaga
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Actual quote from agony guy:
"How do you rat up here? These serpentis rats are really tough!"
I remember that night. We took a small gang of 2 intys and 8 rifters to Fade to find some targets. After killing a few of you, you all left system. You then jumped in 2! smartbombing carriers, killing your own cynosaural pilot and none of us, while we were killing your interdictor 40km's away. System grew kinda quiet after that and we decided to go ratting in your space, while you camped the neighboring system with 30 odd pilots .. ever heard of sarcasm?
That's why I want you guys in Fade more often. You help cull the newbs.
and it's not my space, weren't my carriers, wasn't my dictor, and most certainly wasn't my plan. 
The only people I'm responsible for are people in my corp, and I'm pretty sure you didn't kill any of us.
The SB carriers were in a different gang than mine. The hauler was a suicide hauler. The dictor was ****ed he died but their plan was pretty ill-conceived. I think they got impatient.
I even yelled at my gang for bringing BSes. I can't believe people bring BSes to kill a buncha T1 frigs and a couple intys.
I know you guys killed a thorax in l-c as well that warped right into you. I'd like to encourage anyone that got killed by you guys to enroll in your classes...maybe it will teach them to listen a bit
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comojo
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:56:00 -
[39]
Alvar I remember that night was my first wolfpack class man what a night, i went to bed at 4am that night or should i say morning with the shivers, never had so much fun with end to end stuff. Oh and for the record yes about 1.5 billion damage but received 100m i dont think so we lost about 6 dessis in total that night i think max cost was around 25m max.
And as for that screenshot close to the start oh i remember that, yes we died yes you got mass kills however, this was a mistake by our covert op pilot (who i wont name for security reasons :) )who thankfully has never done that again. The moral of the story was he was learning just as those who go on the class, it was his first time in covert op he learnt lesson badly but in the many months since he did that he has made up for it time and time again.
Oh its good to die like that sometimes you can learn so much from one big mistake like that and you can be sure you do your best not to repeat it ever again.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 22:57:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Remember one funny accounter starting in GW, when we chased them back to empire. Somehow in the first empire system a drake pilot thought the hunt is over, since he stayed at that gate watching us.
Well, two battle-cruisers can tank two sentries pretty well for a short time even the nano-hurricane that I flew and a sec. hit doesn't really hurt, if you have 5.0 already ... Guess lesson learned: Don't attack someone in 0.0 and think the fun is over in low sec, just because the opponent is no pirate.
Oh of course not. I wasn't in that encounter so I don't know the details, but I recall two similar instances being chased into egbinger and then making a counter attack with the sentry gun advantage. One involved killing a Raven, Scorpion, and other cruiser whilest losing only a thorax and t1 frig. The other involved killing an Abbadon, huginn, sabre, hurricane, and blackbird whilest losing 5 t1 frigs, a bait enyo, and a vexor.
When outmatched, we try to do something to give us fighting advantage and if nothing can be done, we decline the fight. As for the catching the drake. No idea since I don't know the details. Confusion in battleplans perhaps? who knows.
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Cthulhu Destroyer
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.11 23:45:00 -
[41]
All I care to add to this thread is:
Those who fly with us or have fought us for extended periods will tell you what you need to know about AGONY's effectiveness. Everyone else is either jumping on the "lol noob pvp teachers" bandwagon (with no idea how we actually function or fight), or have lost very very expensive ships to us and try to justify the loss by attacking our tactics.
And yes, I was the pilot that made it through your 30 man gatecamp (with several bubbles, nice piece of work actually) and relayed the fact that my gang was ratting to your campers ^_^
(I still want reimbursement for those pizzas that got cold)
OP: Even though I don't particularly care about the amount of smack we get on these forums, I cannot see your post as anything but flaming. Regardless of your position when you encountered AGONY pilots as non-friendlies, you are now with NEC and as such your comments reflect (poorly) on them.
For my part, I have never encountered an unfriendly NEC pilot in space.
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Zembla
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.12 01:06:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Zembla on 12/01/2007 01:04:45
Originally by: Christina Bamar
Also, as far as criticizing our PVP Uni... we offer a better service for pvp training than any other entity in EVE. It's easy to criticize and poke fun, but really we provide a gateway into PvP that no one else has been able to match. We've had hundreds of satisfied customers, and opened up the best side of EVE to many who wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
It's easy to make fun of us for being "noobies" or whatever, but the bottom line is that we're actually doing something to encourage people to go into pvp, something that I think is a pretty damn good thing.
I don't care much if you guys gank people, I don't care if you hide if you're outnumbered, if you stay away from absurd numbers, I don't care much.
What does tick me off a bit though, is what Christina said above. You are not the only entity in EVE launching people into pvp or guiding them there. EVE University has been doing this ever since they started off almost 3 years ago. The nature of their tutoring may be slightly different, namely that they offer courses in any field, and also that they require you to be member to participate in the courses (IIRC), but the end result is the same. EVE Univsity has been involved in all out 0.0 warfare in defense of its own space, and has proven itself more than capable (TBB and the IPS constellation). Agony Unleashed I've only had dealings with when an occasional gang or solo-ganker flew around a bit through Syndicate while I was down there, so I don't have a good idea of your capacities. Though I do know that you're in error to claim you're the only one to offer such a service. EVE-U offers a similar service, and has some great teachers etc.
Don't mistake me for a fanboy, I'm just trying to correct a lack of credit where there is credit due.
<Z>
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.12 01:27:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Christina Bamar on 12/01/2007 01:27:15
You're correct about EVE-U providing training; however, I stand by my statement. All kinds of corps train their own members(which is what EVE University does). We're the only corp that I know of that trains non-members and the only real alternative for a corp or alliance who wants their members trained without doing it themselves. I have a lot of respect for what EVE University does, but the service they provide is very different from ours.
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Henrique Padua
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:45:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Henrique Padua on 12/01/2007 02:50:15
As a recent member of Agony Unleashed, i can say Agony got me completely addicted to the game once more when i was thinking of quiting eve. And now i go to bed at crazy hours to work in the next day wid my heart still pumping. Even while at work i cant stay away of Agony Unleashed's website so i can keep in COMM with all of them. They got me to be the best i can possibly be in PvP. Im now in a corp i respected since i found out about. Took their (now ours) basic class. Went like crazy to their(now ours) wolfpack class, repeated them several times, and when i thought it couldnt get any better, I JOINED AGONY UNLEASHED. And man... i know im a noob, but i know im on the right path to achieve all my goals. U shouldnt talk about what u dont know. Smacking our tactics wont make u overcome the poor results u had in your so called past... and i quote: "between into different corps".
Gharthak wid tons of respect, man... and this comes from a noob, why dont u take Agony Unleashed's BASIC course?
My guess is that u would forseek AU's wolfpack course too on the next possible class.
And maybe u could pass it and attend one of Au's advanced course, and them MAYBE, but only maybe, u could learn about psychological warfare and finally understand what u just did creating this thread. cant tell ya koz i aint no instructor.
FRIENDLY WORD TO NEC
One of these days while i was moving my hauler through 0.0 to put my poor t1 stuff where i needed it to be i jumped right into an awesome large bubble camp from NEC... the ones i bet... just like u say... U DO NOT represent, or else REPRESENT QUITE BADLY. No need to say they gave my scan alt(not in Agony) a fast trip back to station, then i jumped in the XL bubble camp wid the hauler, took me about 7 mins to fly out of it and be able to warp away, they were awesomely cool wid me. That was without doubts one of the best gate camps i ever seen. Quite impossible to get through alive, wont say why so it can remain THEIR(NEC) secret. Cooler than they were the only way i can imagine is if they bumped my hauler to get out of that bubble faster.
I believe u should have done your homework b4 creating this thread, wich by the way i cant imagine its purpose. 
Anyways, take care buddy.
Not gonna say "fly safe" if u want to fly safe... just log"
U being on NEC and all, if the situation arrises i will prolly loose my poor t1 frig trying to get u out of a dangerous situation as an honourable payment of the politeness ive been shown from NEC.
But maybe we can see more of u out there in one more of yours... and i quote: "between into different corps" situation.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:52:00 -
[45]
<---- very satisfied Agony customer right here. Highly recommend the class.
/waves to Gemini Zero who I actually convinced to take the class with me and is now one of their best pilots. Still get called primary in almost every engagement?
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Logan Williams
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.12 08:46:00 -
[46]
Perhaps I've only ever run into decent members of Agony Unleashed. 
I remember trying to probe out a guy in Great Wildlands who was hunting Angels in a Cyclone. (Angels > Serpentis/Guristas imho) The guy had the presence of mind to keep scanning for probes.
They did engage some of our Alcatraz guys while I was there as well. They outnumbered us....by maybe one or two.....and we had vastly superior ships.
I also seem to recall thinking "COOL!! Agony Unleashed is up here!!" When returning to the north. I didn't think this because I thought they hid away and never fight. I thought this because past experience had taught me that lesser skills or ships or what, Agony Unleashed bring the fight to the best of their ability. Thinking back, I don't recall ever seeing much smacktalk from them in local either.
Sorry OP but, even as annoying as they are, I'd have to give them a "thumbs up" on heart.
I can also see where being in that corp might provide a relatively high level of fun (especially in the absence of politics). Aren't games meant to be fun? |
RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.12 10:21:00 -
[47]
Current related thread in C&P (ignore the flames):
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=457057
As this area is Alliance-specific:
1-Non-combatants (i.e. miners/producers) would benefit.
2-New recruits would learn basic fleet tactics without potentially borking an actual fleet operation. It also gets them trigger time in a neutral environment where mistakes are expected/tolerated and they don't have to feel bad in front of corp/alliance mates if they do screw up.
3-Introduction to commo discipline which would help FC's in maintaining their sanity
4-Cost effective (I think the two courses-Basic/Wolfpacks are a combined cost of 11 million isk not including ships/fittings. Call it 15 million total for both...whats that...20 minutes of ratting in 0.0?)
5-Breaks "bigger is better" mindset and may save your rookie/non-combatant pilots from losing their treasured NPC Raven when a T1 frig/DD would do the job. The course also teaches realistic basic combat fitting's for Frigs/DD's so your support fleets actually have useful tackle points/ew fitted versus trying to tank with a Rifter
6-They might get "killed" on the course. Takes away that "fear"....wierd how that can happen.
Just my two cents/pence/isk.
I would recommend AU...especially Wolfpacks
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Mitchum DuFinn
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.12 11:20:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Gharthak
Stein,
Check character corp history. Was in a different corp at the time of engagement. I wanted a change of atmosphere and ended up missing the old guys and went back to NEC. Brief change.
Anyways.
The whole intent of this post was not to start a smack fest on forums and maybe I should have made that clear. Its simply that the AGONY Unleashed pilots have shown to me bad judgements and bad tactics - example would be the solo brutix pilot who did have the guts to engage my Drake - and he didnt have a single piece of TII gear onboard and somehow thought he could win that fight?
In other words. AGONY Unleashed wants to charge tens of millions of isk of pilots/corps to train them how to PVP and their own pilots excercise bad tactics and bad judgement. If your going to pirate - pirate right correctly. :) I cant see sending my newb pilots to their courses in light of this - and several months ago I had considered it but their abilities have proven to me that its a waste of iskies in the future.
Guilty as charged. I admit it, it was really dumb to engage. However at that point in time I really only had 3 choices:
1) Logoffski, that'd make me a real wimp.
2) Redockski, that'd make me a real gimp. (the smart thing though)
3) Stand my ground and take my licks. I've never seen a Drake up close before. Lets call it a learning experience. I don't think I'll be soloing many Drakes with that configuration again.
So, as to the original post I'd say that options 1 and 2 would just add fuel to your fire. I chose option 3.
I got potted like a plant and you got a kill mail. No whining here.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:13:00 -
[49]
Mitch is also way too much of a gentleman to point out the fact that it wasnt just your drake vs his brutix but that you called in a friend to help you in the middle of the battle. What's the matter Gharthak? Not so sure you could do it on your own? You bluster falls a little flat on its face there.
P.S. I have talked with Marauder, executor of NEC alliance, and he has said to me flat out that Gharthak's views are not shared in any way, shape or form by the NEC alliance. We continue to be friendly with NEC in general.
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Ramirez Theed
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:24:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Ramirez Theed on 12/01/2007 17:21:36
snip (stupid alt posting)
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Ragel Tropxe
The Older Gamers
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:30:00 -
[51]
wow I'm famous - my corpse is one of those in the picture earlier in this thread
Agony rock as far as I'm concerned - I've flown with them a few times and always had great fun.
keep it going Agony!
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Saint Battalion
Decepticons of War
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:54:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ragel Tropxe
wow I'm famous - my corpse is one of those in the picture earlier in this thread
Agony rock as far as I'm concerned - I've flown with them a few times and always had great fun.
keep it going Agony!
lol I'd love to have been on TS with you guys when that smartboming Megathron let loose on ya.
But seriously Agony are ok guys, had good fights with them back in Syndicate and Rells always took it on the chin like a man when he lost.
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Alexandre Martin
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.12 23:16:00 -
[53]
Just remember that when we lose, the suicide kessies come out :P
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.13 07:54:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Saint Battalion
Originally by: Ragel Tropxe
wow I'm famous - my corpse is one of those in the picture earlier in this thread
Agony rock as far as I'm concerned - I've flown with them a few times and always had great fun.
keep it going Agony!
lol I'd love to have been on TS with you guys when that smartboming Megathron let loose on ya.
But seriously Agony are ok guys, had good fights with them back in Syndicate and Rells always took it on the chin like a man when he lost.
It wouldnt have been very spectacular. It was a bad covops drop. You would have jsut heard me telling people forcefully to get out of range.
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Sinder Ohm
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:24:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 15/01/2007 19:22:34
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Saint Battalion
lol I'd love to have been on TS with you guys when that smartboming Megathron let loose on ya.
But seriously Agony are ok guys, had good fights with them back in Syndicate and Rells always took it on the chin like a man when he lost.
It wouldnt have been very spectacular. It was a bad covops drop. You would have jsut heard me telling people forcefully to get out of range.
I remember that class
Too bad I heard the order when I was already in warp.
Btw keep up the good work agony I did learn alot from your classes that I took part in the past
Originally by: Blind Man
okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:02:00 -
[56]
Hmmm, so their squad commander calls for a biobreak and you get a thread like this?
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.17 21:13:00 -
[57]
Have no idea what DrAtomic is talking about... give us a quote im lost.
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Galaor
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:06:00 -
[58]
As a former student and corp member, I have nothing but praise for AU. You can't really put them down by citing one or two examples when their recon or FC messed up, as for each of those there must be a hundred other times when they got it right. The thing I liked the most was that after the patrol was over I could always ask why a certain decision was made and I got a coherent answer. I learned a hell of a lot, and I'd recommend them to anybody.
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Elena Bothari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:46:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Elena Bothari on 22/01/2007 02:53:40
As a former student of Agony I have nothing but praise for Agony.
As a former Agony pilot, my views are somewhat different.
By all means, take the courses. They are cheap at the price and show Agony at it's best. Don't let that fool you however....
Agony from the inside is an entirely different story, with an ego-centric commander, arbitrary decisions, and a ruthless suppression of anything even approaching dissenting discussion. Then of course there is the endless litany of "you don't appreciate what we do for you...."
In just over 4 months I have seen two major regional moves, a major command purge, and Rells throwing a hissy and claiming to be AFG for 8 months... I have seen a hike in the corp tax rate to 20%, but only for those who run missions or rat. Industrialists and traders are, of course, exempt.
The bottom line? Stay out of Agony as a member, but take the courses. They at least are worth the price of admission.
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Nova Z
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:01:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Nova Z on 22/01/2007 11:06:03
LMAO!
1) Both regional moves were following input from members and although the second wasn't initially planned, more members felt it offered many better opportunities.
2) The 'purge' was to remove the 'deadwood' of inactive members that are present in most corps so that the corp numbers more accurately reflect the active members.
3) The tax rise was following a post by an Agony member (not Rells), who volunteered to have the tax raised in order to help fund the expansion of the corp. Pretty much all of the active members on the Agony forums commented and no-one else seems to have had a problem with it, given all the benefits that we *do* get with Agony.
It would be interesting to hear if any other members have such poor views of the corp as you do Elena - but this is really a matter for our private forums. It just sounds really childish to bring your problems here.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:29:00 -
[61]
I am not going to discuss internal Agony issues on this forum nor would I come here to trash you Elena Bothari if the roles were reversed. You disagree with my leadership and my person and that is fine. But I wont be shouted at and cursed at by you on the vent server. I wish you the best of luck in the future and I hope you find someplace in the game that you enjoy more.
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Axhind
Caldari
Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:34:00 -
[62]
Well I took one class (recently) and it was great fun, not to mention that I learnt tons. At one point we killed a drake while his buddies stayed close enough to the station to be able to dock (1 BS, 2BCs and at least one AF if I remember the scouts report (didn't really look around while engaging the drake). Not to mention killing a smart bomb tempest with no losses (well actually 1 AU pilot got caught in the blast but none of us students).
Thus I think that most people bashing AU are the ones that were on the receiving end of one of their classes/gangs.
PS: Any chance of wolfpack class at some sane Euro time? (like 18:00 or 19:00 EVE)
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Kazuki Fuse
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:15:00 -
[63]
Agony FTW! I <3 Sever and Christina even though I wasn't able to lure them to the dark side. :(
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Alha Qmar
Caldari
Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:59:00 -
[64]
Agony knows how to play a card game, and not be played by it.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 18:51:00 -
[65]
I am always personaly amazed by Agony unleashed.Their dedication,tactics,and of course balls of steal.
Who would have ever guessing 30 man destroyer blobs would have worked so well?!?!
No sh**.
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"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Nitrogendixoide
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.01.22 19:19:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Nitrogendixoide on 22/01/2007 19:16:37
Gharthak,I'm going to have to disagree with you on some points. The Agony guys do have some effective tactics, tactics which the ships you fly cannot easily counter. Sure, they would have a hard time killing your Hyperion with their tech I ships, but you simply cannot lock them and kill them with such a big ship. Your missile ship on your other character is also not well suited for the fight, though it too might be able to stand up to their bombardment. The strenght of the their tactics is not their ability to win even fights but to find fights which are more easily winnable, and picking off targets of opportunity. You remember the fight we had outside of a station where they would warp into points around our blob firing at our warp disruption bubble then warping out before we could hit them. Despite even numbers (though superior ships on our side) we simply could do nothing except try and repair the bubble using remote repairers. There was nothing we could do to take them on with the ships we had available. In fact, we ended up loosing the bubble despite having a chance to refit for repairing it.
I'll grant you this Ghar, they don't excel in slug fests, but they are good, probably better than we are at picking targets of opportunity and taking advantage of that chance. I expect that they would be an effective force to send in ahead of a real invasion, to soften up the residents.
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 23:29:00 -
[67]
fun when you are bored.
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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.23 07:22:00 -
[68]
Thank you, Nitrogen! We concentrate on winning with less ISK involved, because any long term engagment will eventually come down to who has more resources. In a battle situation, if there are even forces, the ones who will win are the ones with better tactics, coordination and intel. In asymmetric warfare, AKA guerilla warfare, those who pick fights that they can win will come out ahead as well. If we don't have big ships to slug it out, we will concentrate on what we can take.
One point about our Basic classes using "blobs". Anyone who has been through our classes knows that these fleets are tuned in such a way to be the most effective. We're introducing new players to PvP, we want them to feel comfortable in 0.0 and get kills, so they can build the skills and experience they need to get to the more advanced forms of PvP, such as 1v1s.
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Sobar
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.02 22:19:00 -
[69]
I can't really comment on AU's alleged "dedication,tactics,and of course balls of steal" since I met them few times only and these fights were OK.
However I have noticed that a lot of AU pilots do not post their loss mails. So whoever is really interested in their true performance and tactics should probably cross reference AU killboard with those of alliances in their current areas of operation. Iron's KB for example :)
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.02 22:52:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Sobar
I can't really comment on AU's alleged "dedication,tactics,and of course balls of steal" since I met them few times only and these fights were OK.
However I have noticed that a lot of AU pilots do not post their loss mails. So whoever is really interested in their true performance and tactics should probably cross reference AU killboard with those of alliances in their current areas of operation. Iron's KB for example :)
Their "public killboard" is not their real killboard. That's only for the classes, which is why it is called "PvP University Killboard" instead of "Agony Unleashed Killboard," although it is hosted through the Agony Unleashed website. Its supposed to be anything killed or lost during a class, but since classes consist of a lot of non-Agony people the commitment to posting losses varies. Although I will atest that they are very careful to generally not lose people during classes, much more careful than maybe during normal engagements.
The real Agony Unleashed killboard is not public, although I wish it was.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.03 01:11:00 -
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Farrellus is correct. Our corporate killboard is not public, and we DO post all our losses. We regularly cross check our board with our enemies' and anyone who isn't posting their losses gets drawn and quartered.
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Elena Bothari
CCC Company Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.05 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
..I wont be shouted at and cursed at by you on the vent server.
Apparently this is a right reserved to the CEO. I was shouted at, cursed out and shouted down in a public channel. At least I had the courtesy to refrain from doing so in public, I waited until you and I were alone in a channel to vent my spleen at you.
I stand by my statements. By all means, take the course if you are clueless on PvP. Activity in the corps proper is another story entirely.
Propaganda only works on those who don't know better Rells.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.05 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuki Fuse
Agony FTW! I <3 Sever and Christina even though I wasn't able to lure them to the dark side. :(
\o Kazuki. <3 you too. Not everything is black and white though and I'll say that Agony is a different color now than it was when you were with us.
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J Johnson
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.05 14:12:00 -
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I have crossed passed with agony a number of times and i only have one word to say about them...
"Respect!"
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Kaalen
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Posted - 2007.02.05 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kaalen on 05/02/2007 17:37:53
I have been a member of agony for only a very short time, and have shared all of my very few experiences in combat in 0.0 with them and I have no end of respect for all of the members that I have met thus far. And though I am still finding my feet when it comes to PvP, I am having no end of fun flying with Agony. And to be honest, that's all I want. This is a game afterall, if you can't just have some fun with friends then what's the point of it all?
In regards to our tactics and talk of us running from 'fair fights'. From my experience thus far I really have to say that this is completely untrue. In all of the wolfpacks that I have been on so far we have encountered an opponent or opponents that we thought that we MIGHT be able to take, usually in these situations it's a unanimous decision to try anyway, you get far more of a 'buzz' from a fight than you do from a gank. I've experienced varying degrees of success and failure with this but that's usually the outcome of a 'fair fight'.
We will not, however, engage a target that we stand zero chance of beating. Theres a very fine line between bravery and stupidity and I much prefer to fight with my intelligence.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.05 21:49:00 -
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I've run into a few Agony gangs, and they seem to be on the right track. Their movements, tactics and target calling seemed to be pretty well organized, which is a big part of any gang PvP. Of course, many of them are still pretty low on the SP ladder, so they generally are disadvantaged against even numbers.
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