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Filthy Infidel
Californian CottonPickers Band of Boogers
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:44:15 -
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its actually much different opinions about EVE on steam... any opinions like that on the forum, will get closed as ranting. Or the forumtrolls will get it closed With their ranting since they dont agree.
Its worth Reading to get some Insight what other people think about EVE it than the mainstream EVE players that has to much invested to be negative.
Some fun/semireflected/strange reviews:
"I've played this game for years on and off, just not on Steam. It's a great game, if you started playing it at least about 5 years ago. You will die. A lot. You will never have anything. Someone will trick you into giving away your kidneys in Jita. Just click away. Don't you EVER get this game. 10/10 though. But not for you new guy. Not for you."
"A space sim where you get to play the role of an invisible being who lives about 47 metres outside a spaceship, you're not a god though, you can't enter the ship or indeed access the cockpit, you fly the ship by power of thought via your keyboard.
No actual flying involved, no piloting, no cockpit view, just a 3rd person spreadheet management game with ridiculous subscription fees played mostly by lying **********"
"Takes too long to establish yourself without becoming a wage slave to some other player. I can do that in real life, I don't need a simulator for that type of thing."
And my favorite:
"Eve Online. Spreadsheet online. We do the work for you online. We give you three character slots but you cant use the other two online.
hmm..ships are pretty. But I will say this. Eve online managed to do what No scifi should ever be able to do...
Make space boring."
So logg into Steam and read the reviews.....
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1790
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:49:12 -
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The internets is full of wannabe hipster types that try and make themselves special by hating on everything, especially if its popular.
Most games cop that to some degree. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1929
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:50:54 -
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Stupid people have stupid opinions based on their stupid activities within EVE. Stupid people might read them and decide to not bother. Smarter people will investigate further an/or recognise whine "reviews" made by stupids.
I don't see a problem. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:51:09 -
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Your next mission is to copy all rants locked on these forums to a Steam review.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Filthy Infidel
Californian CottonPickers Band of Boogers
10
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:55:03 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Your next mission is to copy all rants locked on these forums to a Steam review.
Im not sure thats legal, i suspect CCP owns everything you earn, recive, make, own and writes in EVE and their respective servers.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9688
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:56:03 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:The internets is full of wannabe hipster types that try and make themselves special by hating on everything, especially if its popular. Fortunately, EVE doesn't fit into that category, so everything you read about it is 100% true.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Memphis Baas
835
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:56:27 -
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Actually, I'd recommend reading the Steam reviews for other MMO's, WoW, SWTOR, and Guild Wars for example. See if they're any different. Then you can form an opinion about Steam reviews... and the people who write those reviews. |
Filthy Infidel
Californian CottonPickers Band of Boogers
10
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:12:57 -
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the sneaking suspecting irony is that the reason EVE players dont like negative "comments" about EVE is the fact that it reminds them of their negative toughts about EVE they suppress.
When the ability to Accept that there is negative opinion about something you like fades away, there is a problem. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:23:40 -
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Filthy Infidel wrote:the sneaking suspecting irony is that the reason EVE players dont like negative "comments" about EVE is the fact that it reminds them of their negative toughts about EVE they suppress.
When the ability to Accept that there is negative opinion about something you like fades away, there is a problem. You are being superficial. One must analyze the comments and form an opinion as to the basis of what was said, not take them as simply positive or negative.
Most of the negative reviews are from people who have a certain idea about the way MMOs should be.
The type of player who truly enjoys this game would never take a review at face value or even care what other people think of the game. They understand it's not for everyone.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
565
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:31:23 -
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Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in. Honestly, (a word not heard much in these parts) if you do come from other games, the idea of ripping off other players, or victimizing them (which is game headshed enacting policy and software that favors some players over others, even though all players are paying the same fees) is more than a little strange.
The entry into EVE is, and all players freely admit this, only fun if you know someone. Very few have this privilege, and do have to walk in here alone. Therefore, by our OWN admission, it's not fun for them.
The funniest (funny strange, not funny "ho ho") bit is, everyone who poo pahs these "reviews" can't assert with a straight face that they wouldn't say just anything as sincerely as possible, just to lure another noob in here to rip off - and call it "emergent play."
Face it. EVE isn't rolling new subs in. It's barely appeasing those it has who admittedly run multiple accounts and don't pay with money.
If you don't like hearing this, HTFU. Don't be a sissy and lie about it. You look foolish doing it.
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1459
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:37:16 -
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Filthy Infidel wrote:Eve online managed to do what No scifi should ever be able to do...
Make space boring."
Quote regurgitated from Yahtzee.
From the negative reviews I've seen, they seem mostly centered around the following 2 issues:
1) Subscription cost
Most people think of MMOs as competing with each other, this is due to years of terrible developers trying to create the elusive "WoW killer" and leaving nothing but garbage in their wake. Now the impetus is on making ANY long-term money from an MMO (because these WoW-lites die fast) so they're going with the F2P/cashgrab model. Players are getting used to this model and are starting to expect it from other MMOs, without taking into consideration that F2P games severely lack service, are designed to milk players for content, and are literally filled with annoying children.
The funniest thing of all is that they seem to think EVE is competing with other MMOs. It isn't. How many years has EVE been going now? Did WoW kill it? Did SWTOR kill it? Will Snake-oil Citizen kill it? I think you already know the answer.
2) New players can't compete
This simply isn't true, and is beginning to sound like something people say as an excuse as to why they failed to come to grips with the game. A young character can fly a frigate just as well as an old character. If their problem is that they don't get to jump in a battleship after 1 week and wreck everything, the problem is more with the limited patience and entitlement of the player, more than the game itself.
My lord.
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Memphis Baas
836
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:38:22 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in.
No, not really. We can detect flame bait posts when we see them.
The initial post is clearly designed to inflame the EVE players against the Steam reviewers. The OP's follow-up post is an attack aimed at veterans. And your post continues the attack while tying it into the original flamebait topic. I'm guessing you're an alt.
So, no thanks, and IBTL.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9269
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:55:09 -
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I sometimes look at the reviews of EVE on Amazon just to get a good laugh.
The things they are complaining about are the very reasons I am here in EVE.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Lulu Lunette
Akheteru Integrated Astrometrics Hedonistic Imperative
147
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:56:47 -
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Actually I agree. Read reviews about Eve Online, they are a good laugh
@lunettelulu7
Call me for your combat booster needs.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1932
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:59:56 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in. Honestly, (a word not heard much in these parts) if you do come from other games, the idea of ripping off other players, or victimizing them (which is game headshed enacting policy and software that favors some players over others, even though all players are paying the same fees) is more than a little strange.
The entry into EVE is, and all players freely admit this, only fun if you know someone. Very few have this privilege, and do have to walk in here alone. Therefore, by our OWN admission, it's not fun for them.
The funniest (funny strange, not funny "ho ho") bit is, everyone who poo pahs these "reviews" can't assert with a straight face that they wouldn't say just anything as sincerely as possible, just to lure another noob in here to rip off - and call it "emergent play."
Face it. EVE isn't rolling new subs in. It's barely appeasing those it has who admittedly run multiple accounts and don't pay with money.
If you don't like hearing this, HTFU. Don't be a sissy and lie about it. You look foolish doing it.
You're always trolling and this post really isn't any different. You trying so hard you actually make a full post with paragraphs makes it entertaining. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7063
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:18:02 -
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EVE is a niche game, and the mainstream opinion of it is never going to match that of the hobbyist, especially in the current climate of entitlement. People just don't understand the concept of 'player driver sandbox'. They want their hands held, they want to the game to make them feel mighty, and they want everything handed to them. But mainstream opinion is not all that well thought out. For example:
This will be the same crowd complaining that choices don't matter in other games like Mass Effect and SWTOR. Meanwhile, here's a game where you make all the choices, and they really do mean something. You don't pick a choice from a dialogue wheel and wish the wheel had offered you some other alternative, you literally get to make your own choice, not one that the devs have decided for you.
As a result, where both role playing and multiplayer interaction are concerned, this game beats all the others in spades. It comes with all the most important elements, including progression, but over here, your progression is entirely up to you, and based more on your own lived experience within the game rather than some arbitrary scoring system for killing things. Here, experience actually matters; choice actually matters; so much more is given meaning by giving the player this much freedom, and this much control. Sadly, the current generation of gamers don't appear to want that level of control, especially if it means all the other gamers around them get the same level of control (ie meritocracy). It seems to be a mindset infiltrating many schools of thought, not just gaming, including academia: "I should have my freedom to speak, to choose, etc, and you should be made to listen, and not gank me while I'm mining ice."
People don't seem to understand the emulation of freedom in reality that's going on in this game, or the fact that giving players true freedom to choose, rather than the illusion of choice, doesn't just emulate reality, but creates a very real social dynamic that one might even mistake for a legitimate civilisation. These are the things that make EVE unique, and make it stand, objectively (opposed to the subjective opinion of an amateur reviewer), head and shoulders above anything that anyone might consider 'competition' for this game, despite the fact that what makes it unique really negates any and all competition right from the word go.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
247
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:18:34 -
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I've read that when people tell you why they don't like a game, they are probably right about what's wrong with it. Yahtzee was completely right about there being a lack of space dragons.
It's very positive right now, so I wouldn't worry too much.
I can has blogging skills!
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:24:57 -
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Filthy Infidel wrote:the sneaking suspecting irony is that the reason EVE players dont like negative "comments" about EVE is the fact that it reminds them of their negative toughts about EVE they suppress.
When the ability to Accept that there is negative opinion about something you like fades away, there is a problem.
Not really....
And funnily enough it was reading reviews of Eve on steam that bought me back to the game....
Although none of what you highlighted matches my favourite review on steam, for Crusader Kings II, which was something like...
'I have murdered my brother married his wife, and now I have fallen in love with her sister, murdered my wiife and been excommunicated. Oh and the Vikings are invading, and all my children are dead. This game is awesome!'
I suspect many could tell similar tales in Eve, but they don't write it on reviews due to in-game secrecy
(btw, I did buy Crusader Kings based on that review, and can vouch for it - murdering my seven nieces because they were found in the castle of a bitter enemy was perhaps my low-point - I had them all starved to death - though I took pity on the 8th)
Oh and btw... if you check out the experimental camera, you can get different views
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13194
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:31:47 -
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Filthy Infidel wrote:its actually much different opinions about EVE on steam... any opinions like that on the forum, will get closed as ranting. Or the forumtrolls will get it closed With their ranting since they dont agree.
Its worth Reading to get some Insight what other people think about EVE it than the mainstream EVE players that has to much invested to be negative.
Some fun/semireflected/strange reviews:
"I've played this game for years on and off, just not on Steam. It's a great game, if you started playing it at least about 5 years ago. You will die. A lot. You will never have anything. Someone will trick you into giving away your kidneys in Jita. Just click away. Don't you EVER get this game. 10/10 though. But not for you new guy. Not for you."
"A space sim where you get to play the role of an invisible being who lives about 47 metres outside a spaceship, you're not a god though, you can't enter the ship or indeed access the cockpit, you fly the ship by power of thought via your keyboard.
No actual flying involved, no piloting, no cockpit view, just a 3rd person spreadheet management game with ridiculous subscription fees played mostly by lying **********"
"Takes too long to establish yourself without becoming a wage slave to some other player. I can do that in real life, I don't need a simulator for that type of thing."
And my favorite:
"Eve Online. Spreadsheet online. We do the work for you online. We give you three character slots but you cant use the other two online.
hmm..ships are pretty. But I will say this. Eve online managed to do what No scifi should ever be able to do...
Make space boring."
So logg into Steam and read the reviews.....
Those comments are the BEST thing about EVE, it means that with the exception of a few morons, CCP is a turn off to people who can't think or figure things out for themselves.
What's really ironic is that most of those people experienced this 'kinder, friendlier" EVE that is "easy to learn, hard to master" (lol). If they couldn't handle modern EVE that damn near plays itself for you (like how missions tell you how to run them, or how the game won't let you jump into danger the 1st time without a safety pop up), pre-2011 EVE would have given those reviewers a stroke lol.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
89
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:44:13 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Filthy Infidel wrote:its actually much different opinions about EVE on steam... any opinions like that on the forum, will get closed as ranting. Or the forumtrolls will get it closed With their ranting since they dont agree.
Its worth Reading to get some Insight what other people think about EVE it than the mainstream EVE players that has to much invested to be negative.
Some fun/semireflected/strange reviews:
"I've played this game for years on and off, just not on Steam. It's a great game, if you started playing it at least about 5 years ago. You will die. A lot. You will never have anything. Someone will trick you into giving away your kidneys in Jita. Just click away. Don't you EVER get this game. 10/10 though. But not for you new guy. Not for you."
"A space sim where you get to play the role of an invisible being who lives about 47 metres outside a spaceship, you're not a god though, you can't enter the ship or indeed access the cockpit, you fly the ship by power of thought via your keyboard.
No actual flying involved, no piloting, no cockpit view, just a 3rd person spreadheet management game with ridiculous subscription fees played mostly by lying **********"
"Takes too long to establish yourself without becoming a wage slave to some other player. I can do that in real life, I don't need a simulator for that type of thing."
And my favorite:
"Eve Online. Spreadsheet online. We do the work for you online. We give you three character slots but you cant use the other two online.
hmm..ships are pretty. But I will say this. Eve online managed to do what No scifi should ever be able to do...
Make space boring."
So logg into Steam and read the reviews.....
Those comments are the BEST thing about EVE, it means that with the exception of a few morons, CCP is a turn off to people who can't think or figure things out for themselves. What's really ironic is that most of those people experienced this 'kinder, friendlier" EVE that is "easy to learn, hard to master" (lol). If they couldn't handle modern EVE that damn near plays itself for you (like how missions tell you how to run them, or how the game won't let you jump into danger the 1st time without a safety pop up), pre-2011 EVE would have given those reviewers a stroke lol.
What's really ironic is that steam charges them to download stuff that CCP gives them for free...
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
2007
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:52:20 -
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Filthy Infidel wrote:the mainstream EVE players that has to much invested to be negative. Yes, the EVE forums certainly are the last place where you will find any criticisms of EVE. We're all smiles around here.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1792
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:52:05 -
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Linna Excel wrote:I've read that when people tell you why they don't like a game, they are probably right about what's wrong with it. Yahtzee was completely right about there being a lack of space dragons.
It's very positive right now, so I wouldn't worry too much.
Not just Space Dragons.
Where are the rideable Fedo Unicorns for the Captains Quarters I ask you ? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1275
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:07:52 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Stupid people have stupid opinions based on their stupid activities within EVE. Stupid people might read them and decide to not bother. Smarter people will investigate further an/or recognise whine "reviews" made by stupids.
I don't see a problem.
Half of the population has below average intelligence.
So when "stupid people" are paying the bills, it doesn't really matter if "you see the problem" or not.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
758
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:22:02 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Half of the population has below average intelligence. That's not how averages work.
For all we know 2/3 of the population could have far above average intelligence. 1/4 of the pop is so dumb as to bring the average IQ down to about 110%. The rest is WoWers. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
247
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:50:45 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Linna Excel wrote:I've read that when people tell you why they don't like a game, they are probably right about what's wrong with it. Yahtzee was completely right about there being a lack of space dragons.
It's very positive right now, so I wouldn't worry too much. Not just Space Dragons. Where are the rideable Fedo Unicorns for the Captains Quarters I ask you ?
Well, CCP had plans to release those, but then monoclegate happened.
I can has blogging skills!
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7070
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Posted - 2015.12.23 05:09:42 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Filthy Infidel wrote:the mainstream EVE players that has to much invested to be negative. Yes, the EVE forums certainly are the last place where you will find any criticisms of EVE. We're all smiles around here.
Ooh, I got the sarcasm this time!! Do you have any idea how hard that can be for someone with autism? Hang on, let me try this as well...
I've never criticised EVE, or its developers, for anything ever. EVE is perfect and the devs can do no wrong. The ISDs are perfect too, and never overextend their authority for anything.
How'd I do?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.23 06:14:57 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Do you have any idea how hard that can be for someone with autism? You do just fine Remi, honestly I wouldn't even know except for the fact that you have mentioned it.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1556
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Posted - 2015.12.23 06:34:47 -
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People are revieving their playstyles. Its obvious looking at their revievs that they dont play this game right. They want to play it like some other kind of game. Like Valkyrie would be perhaps.
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Murmanox
The Trembling Hand
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 06:44:35 -
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The highest ranking negative review is a victim of CODE. Now we know who the real villain is.
Quote:Right after the suicide gank, the guy who killed me sent me a message. He said I was guilty of inattentive mining and mining without a "permit," and if I didn't want other "accidents" to happen to my ship in his company's "territory", I should log online and pay his company some unreasonably high amount of ISK (in-game money) monthly. Say what you want, but this sounds like the mafia to me. The company that produces this game will do nothing, absolutely nothing, not a damn thing about these people. They simply allow it to happen. I refuse to play a game that supports the mafia.
And here's the first comment/reply.
Quote:i remember my days of playing halo, counterstrike and other fps games... people got kicked when they team killed or suicided. which is pretty much the same as what happened to you in high sec. They should have just set up a system so that the police track down your gamer tag and put you in prison for x amount of days for destroying another player depending on how much damage was done. boom problem solved. people can still be jerks but their will be a decent punishment. also their ship money etc can be transfered to you to cover your loses. the devs sound lazy. high sec is meant to be a save place.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1936
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:22:08 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Stupid people have stupid opinions based on their stupid activities within EVE. Stupid people might read them and decide to not bother. Smarter people will investigate further an/or recognise whine "reviews" made by stupids.
I don't see a problem. Half of the population has below average intelligence. So when "stupid people" are paying the bills, it doesn't really matter if "you see the problem" or not.
They're free to leave forcing CCP to shut down non-EVE and non-essential EVE projects, back to a better EVE.
Compare it to WOT: I'm not some elitist saying that anyone with more than 5k games played while below 49% WR and 1200 WN8 is a fcking moron who should be laughed at and kicked out. Some people are just better, some are worse, some care less or have bad internet or whatever and as long as someone is showing a pulse and brain activity he'll do semi ok. What I AM saying is that we really don't need 20k games 42% 600 WN8 shitclowns in their inevitable E100, JP E100 or Waffle E100 who **** up the game for everyone. They're below the threshold, too stupid to be called human and we can do without them just fine. |
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