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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.23 16:59:27 -
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I like how people say "we" as if there is some glorious consensus.
We must stand united against the reactionaries least they ruin "our" vision.
Also I am only subbed because of free game time. I do this maybe one every six months and then leave.
The train wreck of the forums is my sole entertainment.
All this cognitive dissonance and groupthink. To be riled up about what mainstream gaming thinks of them.
Also toxicity.
My time is almost up so you won't see me again for a while.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:02:18 -
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Well, you can't exactly do much with just a 14 day trial account, and EVE is one of those games requiring long-term commitment to get the most out of it.
Otherwise, it is still rather a funny review, just because of how he talks about it.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13200
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:05:25 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:*wrings hands with glee*
It's threads like these that keep me coming back to GD.
Where people fall all over themselves to defend a product because they feel like it's part of their lifestyle (kind of like Apple products).
The fact of matter is that most people that try EVE give up on it. Those who remain are sado-masochists.
I firmly believe the gratest service you could do is shut this game down.
I will agree wholeheartedly with these people who say "change in EVE, not in muh game!"
See CPP has figured they should do better things with their time like Valkyrie, which I agree.
That game is targeted to mass markets and will be wildly successful.
Eventually EVE will be the unwanted step child of the company.
They'll toss around new ideas but the player base will say no. Plex will keep rising and many free loaders will be forced to give up their game.
Actually at this point I do not know where I am going with this.
Basically I am saying the ultimate gank will be when the servers will be shut down.
It might take a while, but it would be worth it.
And yet here YOU still are. Your presence means you gave CCP money in one way or another. You don't much like the game, you hate the community, you don't seem to care much for the developers....
...But not only are you here, you came back. Those of us who like and fit in with the game aren't masochists, it's not painful for us, not in the least. But it's painful for you as evidenced by your own posts. On a forum that you enable by giving CCP some form of payment...
I will always find people like you fascinating, viewing something as a bad thing while at the same time doing something worse than the bad thing being criticized lol.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13200
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:11:03 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I like how people say "we" as if there is some glorious consensus.
We must stand united against the reactionaries least they ruin "our" vision.
Also I am only subbed because of free game time. I do this maybe one every six months and then leave.
The train wreck of the forums is my sole entertainment.
All this cognitive dissonance and groupthink. To be riled up about what mainstream gaming thinks of them.
Also toxicity.
My time is almost up so you won't see me again for a while.
This part here is evidence of a sick mind. I'd be willing to bet that whatever neighborhood he lives in has recently suffered a rash of pet kidnappings. No one open his cellar door, or you'll be sorry. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
263
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:12:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:*wrings hands with glee*
It's threads like these that keep me coming back to GD.
Where people fall all over themselves to defend a product because they feel like it's part of their lifestyle (kind of like Apple products).
The fact of matter is that most people that try EVE give up on it. Those who remain are sado-masochists.
I firmly believe the gratest service you could do is shut this game down.
I will agree wholeheartedly with these people who say "change in EVE, not in muh game!"
See CPP has figured they should do better things with their time like Valkyrie, which I agree.
That game is targeted to mass markets and will be wildly successful.
Eventually EVE will be the unwanted step child of the company.
They'll toss around new ideas but the player base will say no. Plex will keep rising and many free loaders will be forced to give up their game.
Actually at this point I do not know where I am going with this.
Basically I am saying the ultimate gank will be when the servers will be shut down.
It might take a while, but it would be worth it. And yet here YOU still are. Your presence means you gave CCP money in one way or another. You don't much like the game, you hate the community, you don't seem to care much for the developers.... ...But not only are you here, you came back. Those of us who like and fit in with the game aren't masochists, it's not painful for us, not in the least. But it's painful for you as evidenced by your own posts. On a forum that you enable by giving CCP some form of payment... I will always find people like you fascinating, viewing something as a bad thing while at the same time doing something worse than the bad thing being criticized lol.
just because of the forums mind!
Because these are such a trainwreck that a masochist simply can't resist. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1333
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:15:27 -
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I feel that a lot of those negative reviews could have been avoided if new players are simply made aware that scamming, lying, ruining your day and the day of your dog is all acceptable in EVE, and that's one of the reasons it's so great. In other words, the NPE is still **** and newbies are still thrown into a shark tank with nothing more than a life vest.
I love EVE for all those things but I've had my share of frustrations and anger when I was new, so I can definitely understand the frustrations vented in those reviews. If a newbie keeps playing depends on if they have the determination to push on past those 'd*ckish' moments in EVE and build their own career.
That said, EVE is a game of musical back stabs. You can't trust anyone, this game promotes being distrustful of everyone and everything and that sort of gameplay isn't for everyone. Especially not in a gaming environment where every game holds your hand and cripples the gameplay to make sure you can't offend anyone. People have grown accustomed to games working in their favor 100% of the time. Entering EVE with a mindset like that is... a bad idea.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1961
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:25:16 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I feel that a lot of those negative reviews could have been avoided if new players are simply made aware that scamming, lying, ruining your day and the day of your dog is all acceptable in EVE, and that's one of the reasons it's so great. In other words, the NPE is still **** and newbies are still thrown into a shark tank with nothing more than a life vest.
I love EVE for all those things but I've had my share of frustrations and anger when I was new, so I can definitely understand the frustrations vented in those reviews. If a newbie keeps playing depends on if they have the determination to push on past those 'd*ckish' moments in EVE and build their own career.
That said, EVE is a game of musical back stabs. You can't trust anyone, this game promotes being distrustful of everyone and everything and that sort of gameplay isn't for everyone. Especially not in a gaming environment where every game holds your hand and cripples the gameplay to make sure you can't offend anyone. People have grown accustomed to games working in their favor 100% of the time. Entering EVE with a mindset like that is... a bad idea.
The only way to avoid "I R stupid and died, what a **** game" reviews is by being upfront and honest about the game you're trying to market. If you state it to be harsh and unforgiving then bears will avoid it more and people who might be "eve material" will read that info, then read the "I'm dumb" reviews and make the connection.
The current raging of bears about the game not being bearish enough is the direct result of CCP's desire to attract more people. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7097
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:26:32 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: Also toxicity.
Ironic, since that's literally all you've brought to the table.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:54:36 -
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It's strange that Eve still wants promotes the game as the only place to have massive player versus player battles. If anyone knows anything about engagement they should know that it's the small groups that provide the most engagement. This is supported by lots of research so the recent sov changes, the new logi ships and new logi mechanics resulting in notthing but Logi+1 makes it hard to understand the direction of the game.
If we had confidence that the game developers aren't just screwing mechanics up for "meh" and it was actually based on sound theory then perhaps the negativity wouldn't be as strong as it is.
I've always said force projection needed to happen but I also think punishing gamers for travelling was the wrong thing to do. I've said many times the cyno mechanic should really have been revolutionized into a interesting gameplay. I don't get why Jump bridges deal the same punishment also, there is always another way to control force projection and make it flexible enough for the gamers and these changes just felt like the easy route.
I've said many times EWAR just makes this game boring, dull and predictable and it makes people risk averse. This coupled with an outdated ship fitting service contributes to Eve livin up to "Spreadsheet online". This is another part of the game that could be revolutionized.
I've also pointed out null sec isn't the struggle so many null sec dweebs lead you to believe and thats the main cause for many of the null sec vs high sec arguments. For the most part the most interesting place to play, due to the amount of players available to interact with in the sandbox is high sec. When you see null sec is based on massive HP structures and consider "the n-effect" you can see why null sec is stagnant.
Most good businesses know it is much cheaper to keep loyal customers, I have a feeling that's wheat they were hoping to achieve with the Greed is good article a few years back (test the water to see how people would react to a massive game change); Once the community spoke CCP needed a new strategy meaning a concentration on affordable pvp.
Anyway my thoughts on the challenges of Eve. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2015.12.23 17:59:01 -
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Nothing but hardliners for each side. It's like a two-party political system in here.
There is some truth in most every complaint about or praise of Eve. Denying the truth of that makes you just another lemming of one side or the other.
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Someone raves about how great Eve's sandbox is? Fine, fine. But don't deny that a not-insignificant number of kids in the sandbox have their fun by throwing sand in the other kids' eyes while justifying with "you consented to sand in your face by coming into the sandbox."
The game is great, though imperfect, and it's not for everyone. Step back a bit for some perspective and do yourself AND everyone else a favor by laying off the overly-extreme fanboy/hater stuff. |
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1966
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:07:57 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:Someone raves about how great Eve's sandbox is? Fine, fine. But don't deny that a not-insignificant number of kids in the sandbox have their fun by throwing sand in the other kids' eyes while justifying with "you consented to sand in your face by coming into the sandbox."
That's the point of a competitive sandbox.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13201
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:21:20 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. A small example is Tippia's new player skill plan just recently got both shorter AND cheaper.
The problem isn't how hard EVE is, it's the fact that no matter how easy you make it, it STILL won't appeal to dumb, lazy people ie most gamers. It was folly for CCP to try. What CCP should be doing is making the sandbox better for sandbox players (this does not mean just veterans, a real sandbox type player won't think twice about not being able to 'catch up' to veterans).
The bleeding heart types cling to the idea that if you just make it easier people will flock to the game. We have several years of proof that what happens in reality when CCP does this is that the game becomes less fun veterans while STILL being 'univiting' for most new players, because most new players need things EVE can't provide (like the feeling of being 'special') while still being EVE.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2434
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:30:30 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:Someone raves about how great Eve's sandbox is? Fine, fine. But don't deny that a not-insignificant number of kids in the sandbox have their fun by throwing sand in the other kids' eyes while justifying with "you consented to sand in your face by coming into the sandbox." That's the point of a competitive sandbox.
Would cheater in a sandbox be the kids throwing sands while wearing ski mask or is escalating just the in-game representation of punching said ski mask kid in the face once sand throwing is seen as not effective? |
Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
383
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:36:42 -
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Another amusing thread
So there are negative reviews for Eve from the twitch hyper a.d.d chummies at steam. Oh be still my beating heart, the horror simply overwhelms me.
Eve is more than internet ships in space.
Its a community. Its a group of guys and girls spending time together in a virtual world of pretty much thier own creation. We plan together, build together and fly together. Ive even spent real time with people who before eve were total strangers but now feature on my besties list.
If you come in to the game with the attitude that it should all be handed to you on a silver platter, then you will not get to experience the interactions that makes eve special.
This game takes commitment, as well as possession of more than half a brain. Strangely enough for a computer game, you also need basic social skills, the ability to think strategically as well as tactically, and patience; lots and lots of patience. Ever wondered why a lot of serving and ex service types play eve? A good corp becomes your family, your muckers, your wingmen and women. You rely on them, they rely on you. BUT, come in with an attitude and they will kick you to the curb. Much like the military or a normal job.
But I pay for the game so it should be what i want it to be? Nah. No game can provide a perfect experience for everyone, but through attrition you attain a level where the game is near perfect for those who resubscribe.
Eve is "harsh" on new players. Ponder this for a moment; All players were new once, every single one of em, and if new players think its harsh now, well i'll let you into a little secret.. It's not as harsh as its been in the past. Incrementally CCP have made the game so much easier. Thats not bitter vet speak, thats a fact. Is this a good or a bad thing? Thats open to discussion.
For those complaining they have nothing to do while they skill up, i have nothing but derision. Go fly a piece of crap in a place you shouldnt be, and get the crap blown out of you while your skills increase. Trust me, its a rush, and fyi, your skill queue doesnt go inactive if you undock.
The problem with eve is not a problem with eve, its a problem with peoples feelings of entitlement and thier need for instant gratification coupled with a heavy dose of "penis" envy. The game is not about you, get over yourself and go join a frigfleet, or seriously go play something else.
I am Mithandra and i'm an Eve addict of long standing
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3781
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:36:56 -
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There is only one sandbox, not many seperate sandboxes.
What you consent to is being in a sandbox that has other kids in it who are also entitled to do what they want with the sand, even if what they want to do upsets you.
If you want your own sandbox without other people in it you can go play x rebirth or some other trash. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4423
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:46:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...)
Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915?
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28412
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:53:23 -
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It's kind of funny that there are people who argue FOR the intellectually challenged ...
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2435
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:03:35 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...) Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915?
Probably because you now have a **** lod of stuff to help you learn that didn't exist back then. The new pilot in 1915 didn't get the same form of training as they do now. All the hours you can spend on simulator to learn to fly. How many would-be pilot died crashing on their first run and now don't because all you get is a computer report telling you you ****** up?
EVE used to be "here's a ship, you can do things with it". |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13206
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:19:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...) Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915?
I don't know how to fly, so i don't know about that. What I have done is introduced a few people to EVE, and helped train guys who come in via other friends. A couple years ago I lent my incursion Maelstrom to a guy who was a couple months old who we'd been teaching the ropes.
He gave it back to me 2 or 3 days later because he was able to afford a faction gun Machariel from those 3 days of incursions, as oppsoed to my 3 months of grinding up a navy raven in a raven i borrowed from the guy who brought me in to EVE...
The 2015 EVE player has access to the accumulated knowledge present on youtube. In the past, not so much. The new player now can accumulate wealth in days that took months to do back then. The new player now starts with WAY more SP and has no learning skills to contend with.
The new player get s a pop up if he's about to accidentally jump into low sec. He gets a pop up if he tries to undock with a mission critical item. He gets a pop up if he tries to shoot someone he shouldn't. AND a safety. The new player gets UI/Overview presets unlike the blank slate that welcomed me in 2007. The new player gets an in game mission guide system that lets him mission without having to tab over to an out of game browser to look at EVE-Survival.
And yet with all this working on NPE this and opportunity that and CCP spending all this time and money, none of it has worked. That's because it CAN'T work, EVE is a game that will only ever appeal to a small subset of humanity (the subset that wants to think for themselves, learn things for themselves and find most MMOs to be insulting to their intelligence). CCP has been trying to keep people by giving them a helping hand, not understanding that people who need or would accept a helping hand won't like EVE no matter what you do.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:22:48 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sadly, the current generation of gamers don't appear to want that level of control, especially if it means all the other gamers around them get the same level of control (ie meritocracy). It seems to be a mindset infiltrating many schools of thought, not just gaming, including academia: "I should have my freedom to speak, to choose, etc, and you should be made to listen, and not gank me while I'm mining ice."
I have a theory on why this has become so common; it basically boils down to selfishness and convenience. People are fundamentally selfish, it's just nature, but people should be taught not to be for a responsible society. In the past this was the job of parents or schools but now everyone is mollycoddled, leaving the selfish trait untouched. Media too prolongs this selfishness through shows about people driving around in their flash cars with all their cash saying to the audience "look at all this stuff I have and you dont, look how much fun I'm having". Ultimately people can put off growing up much longer and instead of trying to encourage them to, media takes the easy route and sinks to the lowest level.
These immature adults don't understand that other people exist in the same way as them, that they are not cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to fill public places or cause problems in the "main character's" life. They also don't understand that sometimes you have to suffer inconveniences for a greater good, they see their immediate enjoyment as the greater good. Strangely enough it is exactly these immature adults who stand to benefit most from the life lessons that eve offers.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4423
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:55:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...) Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915? I don't know how to fly, so i don't know about that. (...)
You skipped the main question. Adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices?
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
42200
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Posted - 2015.12.23 20:06:35 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...) Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915? I don't know how to fly, so i don't know about that. (...) You skipped the main question. Adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a real life pilot has nothing to do with playing Eve.
As a metaphor it misses the mark as they are totally unrelated issues and there are no direct similarities. Whether learning to fly a plane now is more difficult or not than learning in 2015 has no relationship to whether learning to play Eve now is easier or harder than in 2005.
I'm not a pilot so I can only imagine that there is more involved in becoming a pilot now, whereas Eve is easier to learn now than when I first played in 2004, but that's just a personal view.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2015.12.23 20:14:03 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:
Someone says Eve is impossible for new players? How about instead of going berserk trying to argue the exact opposite, you admit the OBVIOUS truth that it's tough starting Eve, especially in 2015 as compared to 2005 or 2010.
Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. (...) Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915? I don't know how to fly, so i don't know about that. (...) You skipped the main question. Adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices?
If the new things are already extremely well documented to the point that no learning is involved then how is this difficult for anyone? Except of course those who either can't read or google.
The only new things that might make it harder are highsec groups like CODE or marmite because for a new player losing his one ship might hurt him more than one of us who has been playing longer. Still, gankers have always existed and have always done their thing; gankers gonna gank.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4424
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:07:34 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:You skipped the main question. Adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a real life pilot has nothing to do with playing Eve. As a metaphor it misses the mark as there are no direct similarities to compare. Whether learning to fly a plane now is more difficult or not than learning in 1915 has no relationship to whether learning to play Eve now is easier or harder than in 2005. I'm not a pilot so I can only imagine that there is more difficulty involved in becoming a pilot now, whereas Eve is easier to learn now than when I first played in 2004, but that's just a personal view. Greater depth in the game =/= greater difficulty to learn
Oh there are similarities. In 1915 learning to fly was faster but dangerous, now it's safer but time consuming because there'a lot more things to learn.
Starting EVE in 2015 means starting a game where the list of things you don't know and can have you killed grows with each patch, and they favor people who already mastered PvP and just need ot update themselves. A new player doesn't even knows that there are patch notes and he should be reading them on top of all the other 200 things he needs to learn. The goalpost keeps moving each 5 weeks as complexity creeps. That is good for veterans since they move their asses, but also makes the game more difficult to learn to those who start with zero knowledge.
And with EVE being a PvP game, a new player just can't afford to ignore what the new ships/moudles/mechanics are... he must learn of them on top, I repeat, of everything else the vets needed to learn years ago. And the list just grows each 5 weeks.
Learning to fly in 2015 haves minimal chances to get you killed, compared to 1915. Aircraft are more reliable and are so sophisticate that many can be controlled with just a couple of LCD screens. But learning to fly one will take 15x more time than in 1915, even if you stick to single engine light aircraft... and that despite the massively greater education resources.
Learning to fly is safer, but not easier to learn. And EVE is not even safer.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
10
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:09:14 -
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The real question here is how many of these negative reviews are friends/alts of Indahmawar Fazmarai. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9697
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:16:48 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in. Yep. You called it.
The EVE family feels it's their God given right to be the only ones who can (constantly) rage about the game they pay for. And then a third party review is found and , joke or not, humorous or serious, it is attacked with the religious fervor that only comes from the basement dwelling neckbeard that has only one game at a time on his/her hard drive.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:20:31 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Otso Bakarti wrote:Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in. Yep. You called it. The EVE family feels it's their God given right to be the only ones who can (constantly) rage about the game they pay for. And then a third party review is found and , joke or not, humorous or serious, it is attacked with the religious fervor that only comes from the basement dwelling neckbeard that has only one game at a time on his/her hard drive. Mr Epeen Who here is attacking a review with religious fervor like a basement dwelling neckbeard?
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:24:01 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Who here is attacking a review with religious fervor like a basement dwelling neckbeard?
Mostly 'peen himself!
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:40:58 -
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The thing that gets me is that the negative reviews don't actually contain legitimate criticism. Almost all of it consists of "The players are mean and blew up my spaceships", "paying a subscription sucks, all MMOs should be F2P", "this game didn't provide me with instant gratification, thus it is trash.", "I tried to play this game solo and people who weren't playing solo had more fun than me." or are people telling you not to buy the steam version.
Very little has to do with actual gameplay, rather they have to do with the inherent nature of the game or with games having subscriptions in general. Those aren't problems you can really fix without making the game into something completely different, which may well kill the game completely. |
DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.12.23 22:47:31 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote: Face it. EVE isn't rolling new subs in. It's barely appeasing those it has who admittedly run multiple accounts and don't pay with money.
except its not. As of Eve Vegas, EVE players have an average of 1.4 accounts. that means less them a mjorty of eve players have more then 1 account. So this statement is flat out wrong
oh and late to the party i guess
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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