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Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:11:00 - [1] There seems to be a stalemate on the market. Rigs are sitting a a frction above the build price, and still not selling. Perhaps the salvagers need to drop their sell prices? But then they can't justify the time the salvaging takes. Perhaps the manufacturers need to cut their profit more? But what's the point in building for zero profit? Perhaps the component drop rate needs to be increased? Or the build requirements decreased? Either way, something has to be done otherwise rigs are about as useful to the GENERAL population as invention is.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:11:00 - [2] Supply and demand.... supply and.. demand..
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:15:00 - [3] Yes its a supply vs. demand thing. Maybe its just me but I havn't had a need to replace any rigs yet. People who live in 0.0 probably build their own, too.
Ashurn Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Ashurn on 20/01/2007 17:18:53 I think the main problem is that most most players aren't really pulling in the major ISK, unlike some forum posters whom think that we might be. I've been on level 3 missions for a month or two, earning a pittance. I've joined EVE just right before all the nerfs and the coming of the Revelations. Seeing how the amount of loot got cut down as well as bounties getting halved, the income most mission runners (which I think might be the majority of rig buyers) just can't afford to buy a rig at the price of 1/2 to 2/3 of a Dominix. Salvaging ain't easy, just as you said. The salvagers aren't going to lower the price of components due to the work and time needed to actually salvage the wrecks. In my opinion, there should be couple of changes and additions. 1.) Add in better tractor beams. There's already a medium and a large tractor beam in the database. Why not seed it? 2.) Instead of having the skill Salvaging work on chances, why not make them increase yield as well as giving you access to bigger/higher tech wrecks. 3.) Make the Salvager Modules work 100%, having more of them means you can salavge more wrecks at the same time. 4.) Give us a dedicated Salvager ship, maybe by the ORE corporation. Just some random rabble by me. Bored at work.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:28:00 - [5] Sell them for under 10m and I'll buy.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Ashurn 4.) Give us a dedicated Salvager ship, maybe by the ORE corporation. Er hell no on that. You crazy? Needing more and more accounts to be able to be competitive is what's gonna bring Eve down eventualy.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:33:00 - [7] 3M for the worst T1 rigs, 5M for the good ones and 10M for the Most Awesome Rigs. Everything beyond that is a waste.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Brutor Shaun There seems to be a stalemate on the market. Rigs are sitting a a frction above the build price, and still not selling. Perhaps the salvagers need to drop their sell prices? But then they can't justify the time the salvaging takes. If the value of your time according to the market is greater than what you think your time is worth, you should stop salvaging (economics term is shutdown). --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:49:00 - [9] I'll preceed this by stating I am likely in the minority on this one. I would prefer to see rigs stay expensive and impractical for most in a PVP ship. Putting in resist rigs that harden (3 damage types) better than the best deadspace EANM shouldn't come cheap, likewise an additional 15% to your MWD Shouldn't be something every ceptor pilot can afford to lose. 10% more powergrid with no drawback other than cost? That's no small benefit, and should come at a premium. Rigs work similar to implants, if you've got the isk and are willing to take your chances, implants give you a decisive advantage over your opponent. If everyone were running around with pirate sets and 5% hardwirings, well, that would suck. Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass
Ashurn Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.20 17:52:00 - [10] Hey, at least you can't manufacture implants. But oh well, I would probably salvage myself and build the rigs for my own use. 25m for a single Core Defence Field Purger I just ain't worth the ISK for me at the moment.
Bellatrix VanFeldt	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:02:00 - [11] You got it right that it's stalemated. Corps operating out of 0.0 make their own rigs and empire mission-runners bought their rigs, improved their survivability, and don't die so much. Personally I'd love to fit rigs on frigates and cruisers but don't see the point on anything less than a battleship for the cost. What needs to happen is a 5x decrease in parts cost for T1 rigs. This will bring the cost down to 5-10M each without overstressing salvager cargo space. For T2 rigs the drop rates need to be bumped up immensely to get the price down to where T1 rigs are now. The prices are just not competitive with existing modules that perform the same function.
Rhene	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:04:00 - [12] Yesterday I put one on the market with my alt and I'm not sure I agree that the rigs are sitting at a price just above the parts cost. I was able to identify three rigs that although are dropping in price slowly, are currently making close to 50% material profit (9mil in material costs, 18mil sell price). Even with that level of profit, the time it took for me to get the parts is probably worth more than the 9mil in possible profit from the sale. In the time it took for me to pull the rig parts I could have run another mission. As I see it there are a variety of problems with rigs that affect the current market situation (T1 Rigs Only Here): 1.) For the variety of rigs out there the parts necessary to build them aren't dropping in enough quantities. With as many rig parts as there are, there needs to me a larger variety dropping from salvage. 2.) Not enough of the NPC targets are itemized to drop rig parts. From a mission standpoint where you see multiple factions, rats, drones etc., there are whole groups that don't appear to drop rig parts at all. 3.) The drawbacks on the rigs probably needs more work and are stifling more widespread use of rigs. I can agree with CCP's approach, where the drawbacks are big to moderate usage so any changes that need to be made are more of an unnerf than a nerf. Thats my quick take on the situation after dabbling a little bit with T1 rigs.
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:05:00 - [13] I cant justify putting rigs on my ships, I have a horrible habit of flinging domis into huge gatecamps and seeing how many I can take down before I die, I would NOT do that with 500mil of rigs fitted, and I cant afford to lose that much isk.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Brutor Shaun There seems to be a stalemate on the market. Rigs are sitting a a frction above the build price, and still not selling. Perhaps the salvagers need to drop their sell prices? But then they can't justify the time the salvaging takes. Perhaps the manufacturers need to cut their profit more? But what's the point in building for zero profit? Perhaps the component drop rate needs to be increased? Or the build requirements decreased? Either way, something has to be done otherwise rigs are about as useful to the GENERAL population as invention is. Salvaging itself needs to change. It still takes way too much time. [ 2007.01.20 15:24:59 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:07 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:07 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:09 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:17 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:17 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:19 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:24 ] (notify) Your salvaging attempt failed this time. [ 2007.01.20 15:25:27 ] (notify) You successfully salvage from the Wreck. Unfortunately there was nothing to be salvaged. I have to keep rolling the dice trying to get a salvage to work, then when it finally does work "successfully" I'm told there was nothing to be salvaged... grr Just don't care for that design. It seems... unfun. Anyway, I think it could really stand some more tweeking and hopefully in some way that could also bring the price of salvage material down. ------------------- ... [OK] ... zOMG!
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:14:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Fear's dev blog Since I joined the team, I was given the task of fixing salvaging. Salvaging as a feature was not broken as such, but there are aspects of it that needed some attention and tuning. One, which you are undoubtedly aware of, is that certain NPCs were not dropping salvage. No matter how much you tried, you always got the nice message ôYour salvaging attempt has been successful, however there was nothing to salvageö. Having experienced this myself I do understand this frustration. This is something that needed to be fixed, but it's not an easy task. There were about 500 entities not dropping salvage, but in order to make them drop, they needed to be categorized according to size, race and so forth. Amongst other things that have been changed are player ships. They will now drop more salvage than they have been, and in more variety based on their faction. Damaged Artificial Neural Networks were also added to some NPCs as they were only being dropped in minimum amount in player ships. The drops from NPC factions were also tweaked a bit, moved around, added to some, frequency increased and/or decreased and so forth, so balance would be held between the factions. The work on this has been finished, and only awaits testing by the QA department.
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:15:00 - [16] Yeah rigs right now cost as much as implants. I keep all the implants that cost as much as most rigs do on a separate clone that I never pvp with. I just don't want to lose that much money in one shot. I also do not make all that much money to afford to lose additional hundred million with every ship that I lose. It amounts to enough with modules, so no thank you, I'd rather keep my costs down than have to play the game even more each week to earn that kind of ISK. right now I think rig components are overpriced. My friend who is a total newbie (started this game just a week ago) went out salvaging for a couple of hours in high sec belts. He managed to pull off 8 million from the sale of the components. When I started playing this game and had as many skills points as him, making 8 million took much, much longer than that. A lot of people I know just built their own rigs. They set them up on their missioning ships, of course, not their pvp ships as they are pricey to lose for majority of EVE population.
Mirasta Caldari Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:16:00 - [17] Stop buying the components, then the compnent prices will fall, then the rig prices will fall... Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Badhands	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:16:00 - [18] Pfft. I can gather enough parts for a rig in a week, and quicker if i have a friend or two around to swap parts with. THAT'S why your rigs aren't selling. It isn't worth it as a profession, at the moment, in my opinion. Why would i spend 50m on a rig, when i can just salvage the wrecks from my ratting and build it myself?
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Badhands Pfft. I can gather enough parts for a rig in a week, and quicker if i have a friend or two around to swap parts with. THAT'S why your rigs aren't selling. It isn't worth it as a profession, at the moment, in my opinion. Why would i spend 50m on a rig, when i can just salvage the wrecks from my ratting and build it myself? it's the fact that it takes you 1 WEEK to get the parts for 1 rig that is the promblem. You can build a battleship in a day (getting mins etc) Drop Rates still need to be greatly increased. That being said, i've started to put rigs on to some of my PvP ships. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2007.01.20 19:47:00 - [20] The problem is the Skill its so easy to train every one has it. All most every one in my corp can the skill to 3-4 and collect's there own part's and i think its the same in most corps so people trade and make there own so few sell. !
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:03:00 - [21] Why don't you grind missions and make your own rigs? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Brutor Shaun There seems to be a stalemate on the market. Rigs are sitting a a frction above the build price, and still not selling. Perhaps the salvagers need to drop their sell prices? But then they can't justify the time the salvaging takes. Perhaps the manufacturers need to cut their profit more? But what's the point in building for zero profit? Perhaps the component drop rate needs to be increased? Or the build requirements decreased? Either way, something has to be done otherwise rigs are about as useful to the GENERAL population as invention is. rigs have no build price - they have a time price equal to the time it takes to get the salvaged parts required to make them. this time price can be described as player supply build price. If the part price is too steep for people to buy the rigs themselves can never be but too expensive either. Thus people salvage components themselves or simply ignore rigs until the market stabilizes. You know, people have gotten by fine without rigs for almost four years now, why would they need to add rigs to their fittings in a hurry before market stabilization? patience is a virtue... enjoy .
000Hunter000 Gallente Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.20 20:25:00 - [23] well it's very simple, the more people salvage and build rigs the cheaper they will become, so go salvage and build rigs allready if u want them cheap. For instance, i salvage when i feel like it, and i throw all the parts on a big pile, one of these days i will build me a few rigs, check market and sell them a little cheaper then the cheapest seller on market. Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
Jarjar exscape corporation	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:13:00 - [24] Originally by: The Slayer I cant justify putting rigs on my ships, I have a horrible habit of flinging domis into huge gatecamps and seeing how many I can take down before I die, I would NOT do that with 500mil of rigs fitted, and I cant afford to lose that much isk. Use Tech 1 rigs, then. 500 mil of rigs? CCC rigs cost 36 mil each. Armor resistance rigs cost approx. 31-36 mil each. Shield resistance rigs cost less than 20M each. Oh, and saying that rigs have no build cost is just stupid. Ships have no build cost either then, I take it, since you can mine the minerals?
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:42:00 - [25] Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'll preceed this by stating I am likely in the minority on this one. I would prefer to see rigs stay expensive and impractical for most in a PVP ship. Putting in resist rigs that harden (3 damage types) better than the best deadspace EANM shouldn't come cheap, likewise an additional 15% to your MWD Shouldn't be something every ceptor pilot can afford to lose. 10% more powergrid with no drawback other than cost? That's no small benefit, and should come at a premium. Rigs work similar to implants, if you've got the isk and are willing to take your chances, implants give you a decisive advantage over your opponent. If everyone were running around with pirate sets and 5% hardwirings, well, that would suck. Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass I echo this sentiment.
Jarjar exscape corporation	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:45:00 - [26] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'll preceed this by stating I am likely in the minority on this one. I would prefer to see rigs stay expensive and impractical for most in a PVP ship. Putting in resist rigs that harden (3 damage types) better than the best deadspace EANM shouldn't come cheap, likewise an additional 15% to your MWD Shouldn't be something every ceptor pilot can afford to lose. 10% more powergrid with no drawback other than cost? That's no small benefit, and should come at a premium. Rigs work similar to implants, if you've got the isk and are willing to take your chances, implants give you a decisive advantage over your opponent. If everyone were running around with pirate sets and 5% hardwirings, well, that would suck. Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass I echo this sentiment. ... and I agree completely too.
Aaron Min	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:56:00 - [27] well, it really depends on where you are, prices are going down though since drop rates have gone up. I suspect rigs will become reasonable eventually. I would be interested in providing rigs at lower then normal prices to people if I had enough buyers in a localized region. If you are interested in buying rigs eve mail me in game with the rig and how much you are willing to pay.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'll preceed this by stating I am likely in the minority on this one. I would prefer to see rigs stay expensive and impractical for most in a PVP ship. Putting in resist rigs that harden (3 damage types) better than the best deadspace EANM shouldn't come cheap, likewise an additional 15% to your MWD Shouldn't be something every ceptor pilot can afford to lose. 10% more powergrid with no drawback other than cost? That's no small benefit, and should come at a premium. Rigs work similar to implants, if you've got the isk and are willing to take your chances, implants give you a decisive advantage over your opponent. If everyone were running around with pirate sets and 5% hardwirings, well, that would suck. Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass I echo this sentiment. ... and I agree completely too. me2
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:19:00 - [29] I think the biggest problem is the time it takes to salvage. If it takes me an hour to clean out a 3 room mission, then, after changing ships, it takes another hour and a half to clean up the wrecks. We need better tractor beams or somthing to speed it up a bit. It just isnt worth the time to me to gather them all up. If im running missions just to make isk, im better off leaving the wrecks and going on to the next mission. My suggestion would be to cut down the amount of parts it takes to build rigs. then maybee prices would drop. Better tractor beams would be very helpful to.
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Brutor Shaun There seems to be a stalemate on the market. Rigs are sitting a a frction above the build price, and still not selling. The build cost is being set by the manufacturers though. As long as they feel they can make a profit, they will keep the prices of components high. As demand ebbs, they will be forced to drop their own sell prices and they will offer less for components, to stay in profit. Originally by: Brutor Shaun Perhaps the salvagers need to drop their sell prices? But then they can't justify the time the salvaging takes. Doesn't really work that way. The price of components will be set by manufacturer demand rather than willingness of people to work for less. There will always be someone willing to harvest components for a pittance. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
jedeye StateCorp	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:36:00 - [31] Edited by: jedeye on 20/01/2007 22:34:52 There was a Dev blog by CCP Fear which addresses this very subject. Quote: Since I joined the team, I was given the task of fixing salvaging. Salvaging as a feature was not broken as such, but there are aspects of it that needed some attention and tuning. One, which you are undoubtedly aware of, is that certain NPCs were not dropping salvage. No matter how much you tried, you always got the nice message ôYour salvaging attempt has been successful, however there was nothing to salvageö. Having experienced this myself I do understand this frustration. This is something that needed to be fixed, but it's not an easy task. There were about 500 entities not dropping salvage, but in order to make them drop, they needed to be categorized according to size, race and so forth. Amongst other things that have been changed are player ships. They will now drop more salvage than they have been, and in more variety based on their faction. Damaged Artificial Neural Networks were also added to some NPCs as they were only being dropped in minimum amount in player ships. The drops from NPC factions were also tweaked a bit, moved around, added to some, frequency increased and/or decreased and so forth, so balance would be held between the factions. The work on this has been finished, and only awaits testing by the QA department.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:40:00 - [32] Originally by: smashsmash Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'll preceed this by stating I am likely in the minority on this one. I would prefer to see rigs stay expensive and impractical for most in a PVP ship. Putting in resist rigs that harden (3 damage types) better than the best deadspace EANM shouldn't come cheap, likewise an additional 15% to your MWD Shouldn't be something every ceptor pilot can afford to lose. 10% more powergrid with no drawback other than cost? That's no small benefit, and should come at a premium. Rigs work similar to implants, if you've got the isk and are willing to take your chances, implants give you a decisive advantage over your opponent. If everyone were running around with pirate sets and 5% hardwirings, well, that would suck. Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass I echo this sentiment. ... and I agree completely too. me2 Going the QFT route here too. In fact I want to add my two cents: Rigs were a bad idea by CCP since they break up the slot limit of the balancing from some set-in-stone values to nearly random. In fact the only way rigs can be made balanced is to remove them from game entirely since if CCP starts to go the nerf route they'll just end up nerfing everything.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:43:00 - [33] Agreed with Ather Ialeas on this one. Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:28:00 - [34] its a dead market, salvagers wont salvage if they don't get a good price, this keeps their prices higher rig makers have to sell at the build cost atleast this keeps prices high community doesn't think rigs are worth the effort so wont buy end result short term no sales long term shrinking of the market untill it dies out almost completely and is left to serve the hardcore rig users knowledge is power.... guard it well
Roger Douglas Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:40:00 - [35] If Fried Interface Circuts were not required in 60%+ (Seems like) of rigs, Rigs would be much cheaper. If Fried Interface Circuts dropped in larger amounts and proportionate to their frequency of use in rigs, Rig prices would be much lower. This component is the bottleneck that is keeping Rig prices high. I have over a thousand of each other type of Circut Board, but barely any Fried's since they are needed in nay rig I want to build. Solve the Fried Interface Circut problem = Rigs Fixed.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.21 01:58:00 - [36] I have no idea what you are talking about. Did one mission today, dropped about 20 melted capacitors (among many other components), which I could sell for 700k isk a pop. Or about 14mil isk for 20-30 minutes salvaging. Additionally, it is something a relatively new player could do. If, as a several week old player, I could earn 5-10 mil isk an hour by sweeping up after other players I would be jumping at the chance. It's a good market for new players to get into, just help them along, they are still prepared to work for lower wages....
glennkari Gallente DaHOOD Communication	Posted - 2007.01.21 01:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Sell them for under 10m and I'll buy. Yeah 10 mill is about right. So either salvagers need to drop there prices (i salvage for my corp) or CCP need to increase the salvage rate. Lately it seems rats (least in my 0.7 system) have been nerfed and drops nothing. When salvaging was put live, i pulled a miner 2 off my Bruitex and fitted a salvage module. This was so i could salvage wrecks while mining (alone or in a grp), and at first it was ok. This last week it takes 5 to 10 rats to get 1 succesfull salvage that actuatly yelds anything.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:23:00 - [38] Another thing that would help the situation out: On the probe scan analysis panel there is a scan group named Scrap. At the moment it apparently does nothing as it never seems to return any results. If this was enabled to allow a player to scan down abandoned wrecks, this would go a long way towards making a salvager mini-profession more feasible. There's still other things that make that a bit of a pain, such as tractor beams not working on others wrecks, but one thing at a time. As it is now, it's simply too time intensive actually finding wrecks to make it worthwhile as your main money maker. Even tagging along with a corpmate isn't time/isk effective. Better to just run your own missions or ratting. Make finding abandoned wrecks possible and places like Motsu become a goldmine. ------------------- ... [OK] ... zOMG!
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:33:00 - [39] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/01/2007 02:30:56 As long as rigs are worth twice my ship i wont fit em. When 3 rigs combined equals the price of my ships ill conider it. On the other hand rigs are overpowered and should remain expensive. Dilemma. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Darina Rea Harvest System	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:55:00 - [40] Rigs should be expensive and salvaging should be difficult (but not to difficult). I've been salvaging things across the cluster and noticed so far: 1. small wrecks: forget about them, not worth the salvaging time unless you are absolutely positively sure you get shineys out of them, in other words, player ships. 2. salvaging in missions: in some missions you get salvage, in others you get nothing. The Blockage for example seems to get you salvage, but Illigal activities gives you.. nothing at all. 3. salvaging succes: I seem to have alot more succes and alot sooner on rats in 0.0 then on rats in high sec. In high sec it's generally 4 or more cycles of 'You was unsuccesfull' while 0.0 stays under 3 normally. _________ Time is on our side.
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Sell them for under 10m and I'll buy. me2 and all the other ppl i talk with in my corporation (already 200+) oh note : this is my own oppinion not my corporations bla bla bla... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... Added pink because it was lacking - Petwraith
Ms Chen	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:32:00 - [42] No demand seems to be the issue, however, i don't see how using 2 t2 rigs giving the same damage bonus as 3 x damage mods isn't enticing, especially for armor tankers and likewise for any other rig. If it comes down to it, i'll just stop salvaging my mission wrecks. Come to think of it, how many salvagers get their wrecks from missions or ratting? It takes a while to get enough parts for a rig and if they sell for 5m a pop, then the time isn't worth it for such a low volume that you can produce (or at least it doesn't justify the time to collect when you could keep ratting or get a new mission). Of course having said that, it seems then that salvaging would be more of a side profession, not something that can be relied on as a primary source of income. my thoughts: tech 1 rigs would hit the sweet spot at 8-12m. I have no clue about tech 2. I do know that an archon with 3 cap amount rigs can have well over 125k cap and never go below 93% with great skills even with dual cap reppers going simultaneously (i.e. not staggered) that would be worth a lot more than 8-12m if you ask me (bad choice honestly since that rig is going for 135m). Some other prices seem to have stabilized and hit a nice middle ground where you can fit them on tech 1 ships without having that weird, irrational belief that a mod shouldn't cost more than XX% of your ship.
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.21 08:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Brutor Shaun why would they need to add rigs to their fittings in a hurry before market stabilization? Because I fly a Battleshield with 50,000+ shield.
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/01/2007 02:30:56 As long as rigs are worth twice my ship i wont fit em. When 3 rigs combined equals the price of my ships ill conider it. On the other hand rigs are overpowered and should remain expensive. Dilemma. so true. it's stupid to have them so expensive if even a freakin' imicus can fit 3 rigs. but it's also bad because they are so overpowered. solution: flood market so that everyone can buy them at low prices. drawback: they are still overpowered. dilemma dilemma ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Amaron Ghant Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.21 10:06:00 - [45] Happy with rigs. Happy with the cost of rigs as I build my own. Happy with the current drop rate, and will be happier after the next patch when all entities have a chance of dropping components. Happy with the length of time it takes on missions to salvage. Why? Simple. A new choice. Do I just spank the mission for LP and do them as quickly as possible, do I just loot the cans, or do I take the extra time to salvage and drop my LP per hour ratio in favour of gathering rig components. Do I work with a corp mate instead of soloing so I can get good LP loot AND Salvage? I went with the last option and it¦s working fine. Rigs add another level of randomness to PvP as well and for that I say good job CCP.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.21 10:53:00 - [46] Edited by: MOS DEF on 21/01/2007 10:49:57 Most people use BS in combat. The loss on a bS is 30 mill insurance + guns. As long rigs cost about as much as the ship = not worth it! I do use rigs on command ships though. Gotta love em.
Majutsu Caldari Sound of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:05:00 - [47] People often compare rigs with implants when talking about prices but that's not quite fair. Rigs can be manufactured and only give a bonus to one ship, my implants work whatever ship I jump into, implants should definately be a more expensive item. I don't see a problem so much with rigs being fitted to bigger ships, fitting 100m worth of rigs to a Rokh which already is about 350m with purchase and fitting costs isn't too much of a big deal, the problem of course lies with the prohibitive costs of fitting them to smaller ships. Solution? Different sized rigs, many different items are like this anyway. We could have, small medium and large rigs. Large being appromiately being how they are now, medium taking say 60% of the compnents to build and small maybe 30-40%.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:07:00 - [48] lots of people dont have the skills yet. when they were just out, many of us took another path for skills because "why bother" when the rigs are 500M each now i'm starting to look at those and will maybe go this path if it gets cheaper again some are really sexy, stackable +15% armor for example is yummy ------
Zana Kito	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:22:00 - [49] The components required for rigs are simply too numerous for their prices to fall too much. Rigs are only worthwhile on ships that you know you won't get blown up in all the time. This negates their use in anything smaller than HACs/BCs for pvp, and even then, its argueable if its worth it. So you already have low demand to begin with. The biggest demand for them seem to be for mission runners doing L4s, or people doing complexes in safe areas or on cap ships. Missioners rarely lose their BSes, so once they have the rigs, it stays there. T1 rigs at least should be much much cheaper to make in terms of components. They should cost for ~5M each so all the ship classes won't hesitate as much to use them. Make the T2 rigs rare and expensive.
Corbin Devereux Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.21 13:41:00 - [50] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Just seems to me it kills the fun if everyone is implanted and rigged out the ass Because more ways to customise your character are boring...

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