I will say that a rapier or huginn may have a chance to web a cap into warp up until the first bump occurs.

So the white knight in the kronos on the Niarja gate that was pretty much THE factor in saving our orca (we had a bumping ship coming, but was pretty far out) said he's saved over 50 freighters. If you're looking to white knight I think a marauder to perform mach bumping is ideal. Fit it for max speed and max tank and go for it. I would imagine if you really dislike freighter ganking that every single mach bump would feel pretty good.

I would think a saved freighter would be gracious w/ a donation. I could even see if you advertised your service you could possibly be hired in advance to post up on a gate and engage (err.... bump) any machs before they could get the freighter into a bad spot.

The kronos pilot seemed to be having a good time and he was very effective. To be fair though, bring a webber and don't just totally depend on a random to save your bacon.

We had just declared our week of HS R&R over and we in the process of moving to invade a wh. We had just spent a lot of isk clearing a bunch of kill rights from other shinanigans. Based on timing we didn't want to put kill rights back on the ledger literally 15 minutes after we finished clearing the books. We went w/ webs once the white knight in the kronos started going for the mach. It all worked out.

I do agree with you though - you have to stop the mach if you want to extract once the bumping is in progress.

It would also give experienced and active pilots an opportunity to get webbed into warp (after bumping started). How would that be bad?
Also, regardless of having MJD capable freighters, I don't think that inexperienced pilots know anything about the tools that actually might or might not work in the odd case of bumper being really bad.

also, from my observations from assisting hundreds of freighters , webbing only works if the freighter has no lateral movement, meaning it can be aligned correctly to a warp in/out, but all the bumper has to do to prevent warp is side swipe the freighter. so to say bring a webber and all will be well once the freighter is being bumped isnt quite true ....

re the guy who asked to supply proof that being bumped for x amount of hours, while helpless in a giant space pinball costs subscribers, let's just call it an educated guess. i can't see the day that ccp will release a promo video extolling the virtues of the above to attract new players....

The slow down and align times of a bumped capital DO NOT allow enough time for 5 unbonussed webs to get it into warp before the mach makes another run and sends it flying. It wasn't even close. I will say that a rapier or huginn may have a chance to web a cap into warp up until the first bump occurs. Once the first mach bump occurs - webbing alone is pointless. The speed of the bounced ship in the bounced direction can't be reduced enough between bumps.

Since the webbing is effective.....how about allowing it within Fleets, forgot the dueling option?

Educated by what exactly?

Because your guess isn't supported by any data that CCP have released over the last couple of years, so what's the basis for guessing that is the case? That it meets bias about things but isn't at all validated?

Also, how frequently is this happening? How common is 5-6 hours of bumping happening?

As it has been pointed out so many times before, having a webber guarantees nothing as seen in this case (if you look at that char's kb, you'll find more similar cases). That BB died suicide tackling the bowhead, which died too after 43 minutes. So webs mean nothing really.

Also, how frequently is this happening? How common is 5-6 hours of bumping happening?

Another question is would people leave the game if bumping was deemed an exploit or heavily nerfed?

Funny how we never see that question in these threads?

That's part of what I'm collecting data for at the moment.

It'll be a couple of weeks before I have sufficient data, but aiming for 95 +/- 1% confidence in the results.

if u re-read carefully what i posted, i said x amount of hours, hours being the operative word here. during my time in hsm, i and my fleet members observed the 'stacking ' of bumped freighters on many occasions, with multiple bumpers (6 or more) holding targets till the gank squad could get round to them, at slightly less than 4 ganks max per hour , taking down targets in order of value or vulnerabilty (ie no protective fleet near) , you do the maths . these gank sessions frequently went on for 6 hrs or more .

i am not asking for bumping to be deemed an exploit in my suggestion , or any kind of nerf .

i personally have observed 4-6 hour bumping sagas on at least 3 occasions. multiple hour bumps? too many to count .

And I do want to point out....bumping/ganking quite seasonal. Summer it sky rockets as more people have time to play. And may well give quite a tell to the age range of bumper/gankers in general :) The Uedama CODE. fleet ganks have slowed as the best FC, Loyalanon has not quite had the time. And when in full swing its quite hectic, a 5 hour mass gank feast days do happen...and multiple bumpers are sending in "pings"... the bumpee does have alot time to kill before there demise.

Any yes, webs after you have been bumped are pointless. You use them before and not get bumped in the first place. Prevention is better than a cure and all that.

Nothing is guaranteed and that's part of what makes this game so great.

as was said earlier, once you're bumped you're pretty much guaranteed to die....

That's part of what I'm collecting data for at the moment.

It'll be a couple of weeks before I have sufficient data, but aiming for 95 +/- 1% confidence in the results.

so, lets say for example a freighter pilot does the right thing, sets off with a corpy in a webber, as he's jumping thru after the webber , the webber d/c s,( a not uncommon occurence) a cloaky bumper decloaks and has at the freighter pilot .

as was said earlier, once you're bumped you're pretty much guaranteed to die....

And the people who said that, you included, are wrong.

if u re-read carefully what i posted, i said x amount of hours, hours being the operative word here. during my time in hsm, i and my fleet members observed the 'stacking ' of bumped freighters on many occasions, with multiple bumpers (6 or more) holding targets till the gank squad could get round to them, at slightly less than 4 ganks max per hour , taking down targets in order of value or vulnerabilty (ie no protective fleet near) , you do the maths . these gank sessions frequently went on for 6 hrs or more .

i am not asking for bumping to be deemed an exploit in my suggestion , or any kind of nerf .

i personally have observed 4-6 hour bumping sagas on at least 3 occasions. multiple hour bumps? too many to count .

I'm sorry, i must have been imagining all those nights in uedama where codes bumpers just stacked up bumped freighters for the slaughter for hours at a time i guess.

I'm sorry, i must have been imagining all those nights in uedama where codes bumpers just stacked up bumped freighters for the slaughter for hours at a time i guess.

i've got another proposal, seeing how ganking just got a HUGE buff with the wreck hp boost, how about making shooting wrecks a suspect level offence rather than a criminal offence in hi-sec.

I'm sorry, i must have been imagining all those nights in uedama where codes bumpers just stacked up bumped freighters for the slaughter for hours at a time i guess.

i've got another proposal, seeing how ganking just got a HUGE buff with the wreck hp boost, how about making shooting wrecks a suspect level offence rather than a criminal offence in hi-sec...

Just because no one bothered to do anything about it, doesn't mean nothing could have been done.