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Sir Emi Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:14:00 - [181] Edited by: Sir Emi on 13/04/2007 08:11:02 Signed, you should always give some prize for the effort, small steps, that's what keeps it rolling 17 failed in a row, wow... Space Odyssey Maker...
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.13 11:05:00 - [182] Well Invention has been 100% sucessful for me , relevent science skills at level 4 and level 2 encryptions at level 3 top end decryptor though just to point out I've only had one go. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Domosan Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.04.13 17:15:00 - [183] I just finished my first invention job attempting to invent Hulk BPC - it was a failure Covetor BPC with ME 20 pe 5 Covetor No decrytor Mech Engineering IV Gallente Encryption IV Gallente Starship Eng III Trying another attempt now Regards
CorpPunishment	Posted - 2007.05.29 07:27:00 - [184] Skills at 4/4/4 9/9 Failures so far (deimos and ishtars).. Wondering whether Faction/Corp standings have any bearing on the jobs?
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:03:00 - [185] Originally by: CorpPunishment Skills at 4/4/4 9/9 Failures so far (deimos and ishtars).. Wondering whether Faction/Corp standings have any bearing on the jobs? Well... With current assumptions your base chance is about 20-25% of succes. With that the chance of making 9 fails in a row is between 7-14%. That is really not THAT unlikely to happen. Probablilities will mess with your mind. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Givemeyours	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:34:00 - [186] Edited by: Givemeyours on 29/05/2007 08:33:47 Originally by: CorpPunishment Skills at 4/4/4 9/9 Failures so far (deimos and ishtars).. Wondering whether Faction/Corp standings have any bearing on the jobs? I think the standing matters a lot! Done some Inventtions in Empire (around 15-20) and only got 2 successfull jobs... Skills are 4/4/3. Before that i invented at a private POS and have a lot more success... P.S.: I have a negative standing to the corp where i made my empire inventions... So i¦ll try the next days with better standings and then report you :D PPS: Im talking about modules only! :)
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:53:00 - [187] Originally by: Givemeyours Edited by: Givemeyours on 29/05/2007 08:33:47 Originally by: CorpPunishment Skills at 4/4/4 9/9 Failures so far (deimos and ishtars).. Wondering whether Faction/Corp standings have any bearing on the jobs? I think the standing matters a lot! Done some Inventtions in Empire (around 15-20) and only got 2 successfull jobs... Skills are 4/4/3. Before that i invented at a private POS and have a lot more success... P.S.: I have a negative standing to the corp where i made my empire inventions... So i¦ll try the next days with better standings and then report you :D PPS: Im talking about modules only! :) I dont think it matters. I've done my whole buisness in Caldari space. Now I happen to have -4.39 Caldari standing, but i'm doing quite well. (Or should I say: My numbers match what I see from others.) "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Aykido Gallente Kamikazi Battilion	Posted - 2007.05.29 12:56:00 - [188] Bad spells seem to happen to everyone sooner or later. So do good spells Patches seem to tweak the success rates, sometimes, but otherwise its just a question of statistical samples. A decent statistical sample is about 1000. So to calculate the actual chance of success with good accuracy we would have to have 1000 identical jobs of several different varieties: To determine the effect of skills: 1000 jobs with skills at 2/1/1 1000 jobs with skills at 3/1/1 1000 jobs with skills at 3/2/1 1000 jobs with skills at 3/2/2 1000 jobs with skills at 4/2/2 1000 jobs with skills at 4/3/2 1000 jobs with skills at 4/3/3 1000 jobs with skills at 4/4/3 1000 jobs with skills at 4/4/4 1000 jobs with skills at 5/4/4 If all these jobs were done with identical other parameters, calculating the exact weitht of each skill level would be relatively simple. Margin of error would be minimal. Same kind of parameters could be done with different meta items to determine their exact influence on the success rate: 1000 jobs with no item 1000 jobs with meta 0 (normal T1) 1000 jobs with meta 1 1000 jobs with meta 2 1000 jobs with meta 3 1000 jobs with meta 4 Base chance would be revealed through such thorough testing and the variables would be know. The small samples reported still dont amount to much, especially since there is suspicion that the variables have been tweaked in a couple of the patches. Aykido Selling PERFECT PRINTS of 674 of the 730 seeded T1 BPOs: Ships, modules, rigs, drones, ammo, probes, components and capital mods, drones & ammo. (Cap Ships, Cap Components and Outposts 2007/2008)
Twobits PieCake	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:01:00 - [189] To use base item for ship invention or not? Seems like opinions differ on this. Qual?
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.05.29 17:58:00 - [190] Originally by: Twobits PieCake To use base item for ship invention or not? I never used Covetors as base items for Hulks and got 12/111 using the 9-run/0.4x decryptor. Signature approved by Eldo
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:32:00 - [191] Originally by: Effei Gloom i would be more interested to see actual invention jobs and not random brabble or whining about prices. Keep it simple, post your invention jobs with win/loss, so others can think about too. Datacores arent for free doesntmater which way you get them. The point is you're keeping an accounting of the situation and you're making a huge mistake. It's like you were paying $40,000US for used cars and complaining that your used car lot was loosing money. Of course it is. You're paying ten-times what you should pay for your inventory. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm	Posted - 2007.05.30 21:37:00 - [192] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron The point is you're keeping an accounting of the situation and you're making a huge mistake. It's like you were paying $40,000US for used cars and complaining that your used car lot was loosing money. Of course it is. You're paying ten-times what you should pay for your inventory. No, YOU are making the mistake in accounting. Treating data cores as free just because you research them yourself is like trading in your used car for a new one that costs $40,000 and saying look, I made 40k. If you could have sold that used car for 50k instead, then by trading it in for the new car, you actually LOST 10k.

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