to much releases to fast work on one release n deploy it properly u got sisi as testserver but still force stuff on tranquility even after negative feedback of ppl actually testing on testserver.
feedback gets completly ignored why is this does our voice not count just our money??

will start beliving untill proven otherwise, but now its just a big nono

There used to be a camera zoom that was done by holding down control and left and right mouse buttons held while dragging.. I'm not sure the proper name for that zoom.. but that seems to no longer work, will functionality be added back eventually?

It doesn't work in station either... it used to work everywhere. I used to be able to zoom really close in and really far out with that. Doesn't even work now when new camera is turned off in the settings...

Hey all,

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

For the case of fleet fights and against other mercs, I would agree.

But from a business perspective CCP just took away my livelyhood.
As a small(ish) highsec merc group that has specialized in hunting their contract target.
Some of you will say "Good riddance" but do you really want yet another group in highsec blanket deccing everyone, just to be able to sit on gates and hubs and pick off people who does'nt know better then to stay away from hotspots?
Thats the reality of it, we will adapt, dec more and become something we have worked very hard not to become.
If we get another reasonable way to differentiate between logged off and online players we might be able to salvage the art of hunting the targets we are paid to kill.

Most of Devils employers are/was looking for someone who would actually move out of the hotspots and kill them where they hide.
We will still try our best to still be able to hunt our contract targets, but I fear this will burn out my guys rather fast. Empire is kinda big you now..

Oh.. and zues.. finding a Public-enemy pilot in the pipe is not hard

Hey all,

Just dropping by to shed some light on the watch list->buddy list change that was done by Team Five 0 in this release, and the reasoning behind it.

For a long time the watch list has had two main use cases: tracking the online status of friends, and tracking enemies of one kind or another. While we were happy with the first use case, for some time we've had design concerns about the latter. There are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, the information provided is 100% accurate all the time without any risk to the pilotGÇÖs receiving it. This means that the best (and really only) choice for a pilot is to add enemies, as it doesnGÇÖt cost them anything and they donGÇÖt put themselves at any risk by doing it. We've discussed before how weGÇÖre not really keen on non choices in New Eden (See the clone removal for one example of this). Secondly, a pilot concerned about people watching them has no in-game choice to counter this overpowered source of information. They can either log in and face the fact that notifications have instantly appeared for everyone wanting to hurt them, or simply not play. As you can imagine, thatGÇÖs not a choice that we really want to encourage!

We understand that for many people, this will fundamentally change the way you can use the (now renamed) buddy list, and we apologize for any short term inconvenience this may cause. WeGÇÖre happy to discuss any use cases we may have neglected and any suggestions for future iteration that donGÇÖt contradict the reasoning outlined above.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

I had the most beautiful dream...

CCP Seagull announced a "year of quality". All development effort would, for a year, be focused on quality. Fixing known bugs, getting things to finally work right. No wasting (wo)manpower on new gimmicks.

...but then GONGGG happened and I woke up.

I respect your reply as well as your concern. As mentioned before I am not afraid of change, it is ridiculous changes. I see a trend here happening. It almost feels to me like they put the DUST 514 team on this EvE Update. Sometimes it is not always the actual change that affects ones decision, but the long running lack of consistency and lack of player concerns. Have you been reading these forums. Over time it just seems to keep getting worse and the graphs are my proof. EvE is becoming less of a play the way you want, and more of a play the way I want you too. That is what sours me. Updates are great Adding the new science project, great stuff. I have to ask myself; "how much better would the science be right out of the box if less time was spent on GONG! Station graphics, etc. you know things that were just fine. If that time was spent on the New additions, there would be less turmoil through expected fixes and updates to those new additions. Not sure I said that right, nor do I care anymore.

Drop me a line at [email protected] when EvE turns back into EvE

I was going to post yesterday, but decided to wait a day or so and see how the effects of this change would actually work out in practice.

What i've found is that this change of mechanics to the watch list is a huge kick in the nuts for small to medium size highsec wardeccing corps, who rely on frequent locates, constant roaming and actual hard work in order to locate their targets.

Meanwhile, the large merc alliances like Marmite and PIRAT see no change whatsoever and continue to get as many kills as usual, because they can bankroll 100 decs at a time, they barely worry about watchlisting anyone, and because all they need to do to find targets is station camp the trade hubs or roam the amarr-jita pipe all day long. The sheer amount of wartargets they have guarantees them content sooner or later.

But for other corps who put in considerably more effort, who don't bring a fleet of 10 to whore on a hauler kill, who take whatever fights they get and happily lose ships in the name of ;content; who provide advice, sometimes even reimbursement and recruitment to those we separate from their ships? At best life just became significantly more difficult, and at worst we decide that it's no longer worth the hassle and move on to other things.

Not all highsec pvp corps are made the same. Some of us sit our fat asses on a station all day grunting and making other guttural noises in local chat while others actually get out there and interact with the community in a manner that can be seen as at least somewhat constructive for more than just the aggressing party. While the results (Ship explosions) may be the same at the end of the day, the process of getting there is entirely different from corp to corp.

That aside, the fact remains that if your intent with changing the "buddy list" was to minimize the impact, consequences or attainability of "free intel," thereby nerfing things like highsec wars (Which, lets face it, has been a thing for quite a while now,) you've succeeded in doing literally nothing to discourage or hamper the ability of the large merc alliances. Small pvp corps like ours who dec a corp or two at a time aren't the problem. We account for maybe 10% of the highsec wars at any given time, yet you've caused us to question whether or not it's worth continuing due to the hassle now involved with finding targets.

Highsec PVP was already a giant boys club of blue donuts predominantly controlled by a small group of large alliances, who's only competition was smaller individual wardeccing corps. So congratulations for supporting the huge alliances of the highsec pvp world while discouraging smaller corps that more positively influence the community, thereby eliminating competition and compounding the problems created by the highsec wardeccing epidemic even further.

Do any of you at CCP actually play Eve?

A suggestion: Have the watch list at least show me when a watched person is in the same system, even without their consent. That is, I get informed when they are in the local list. That way it will not show me any information I do not already have, it just saves me the trouble of looking through the local list over and over. After all, I have a computer, it should be able to do such mundane tasks for me while I make actual decisions.

16 pages of pain and hate. Dear CCP maybe its good time to stop making crap and start listening?

Actually wormholers hate this change.

Watchlisting prevented PVPers from wasting our time hunting a target if he had logged off.

Sorry I didn't have time to read al posts.

Is there a way to get rid of the ******** animation when you blow up sth in the space? (other than unsubscribing)

OK, so yes, the sound for a kill and the new kill animation really need to be rethought. I can actually handle the animation just fine, but that sound is particularly out of place.

However, I'm digging the rest of the changes. Love what you've done to Damage Control, my freighter thanks you... LOVE the removal of the watchlist, it ALWAYS should have been optional to allow someone to watch your online status. There are douche-bags in every game, but the ones in EVE tend to be particularly brutal.

Thanks CCP, hope the feedback is helpful!

o7

Disappointment re. the latest improvements. Scamming (cheat, lie and fraud) is okay but the half-dozen ways I used the Watch List (which did not include stalking) are eliminated. The doctrine of handicapping gameplay is as old as carnivals- it's one way to prevent players from becoming too accomplished, thus concepts like balancing, expansions, tiericide and the dumbing-down force us to invest more isk and time. I know it as handicapping game play. I know that this is a business and Seagull and all's first responsibility is to the investors. The pilot's come second. And I understand that they want to tap into the VR boom. It appears that CCP has limited skill and resources considering how poorly thought-out some of these expansions look like arcade-game updates and the crashes associated with the server upgrade/migration spotlight weaknesses. Please don't try and change the focus by telling us how much better it is compared to 5 years ago. I expect a smarter, more capable and more savvy CCP as time goes on. Maybe the CSM is the litmus test for the future. The absence of our brothers and sisters representing Eastern Europe, Russia and Asia should be troubling to all honorable and dishonorable veterans. The smartest thing they did to keep new players was compress/reduce skill training. After that I can't tell the diff most of the time between dumbing-down and handicapping. Wisdom just seems so lacking. It's frustrating.

Hey all,

Just dropping by to shed some light on the watch list->buddy list change that was done by Team Five 0 in this release, and the reasoning behind it.

For a long time the watch list has had two main use cases: tracking the online status of friends, and tracking enemies of one kind or another. While we were happy with the first use case, for some time we've had design concerns about the latter. There are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, the information provided is 100% accurate all the time without any risk to the pilotGÇÖs receiving it. This means that the best (and really only) choice for a pilot is to add enemies, as it doesnGÇÖt cost them anything and they donGÇÖt put themselves at any risk by doing it. We've discussed before how weGÇÖre not really keen on non choices in New Eden (See the clone removal for one example of this). Secondly, a pilot concerned about people watching them has no in-game choice to counter this overpowered source of information. They can either log in and face the fact that notifications have instantly appeared for everyone wanting to hurt them, or simply not play. As you can imagine, thatGÇÖs not a choice that we really want to encourage!

We understand that for many people, this will fundamentally change the way you can use the (now renamed) buddy list, and we apologize for any short term inconvenience this may cause. WeGÇÖre happy to discuss any use cases we may have neglected and any suggestions for future iteration that donGÇÖt contradict the reasoning outlined above.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Hey all,

Just dropping by to shed some light on the watch list->buddy list change that was done by Team Five 0 in this release, and the reasoning behind it.

For a long time the watch list has had two main use cases: tracking the online status of friends, and tracking enemies of one kind or another. While we were happy with the first use case, for some time we've had design concerns about the latter. There are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, the information provided is 100% accurate all the time without any risk to the pilotGÇÖs receiving it. This means that the best (and really only) choice for a pilot is to add enemies, as it doesnGÇÖt cost them anything and they donGÇÖt put themselves at any risk by doing it. We've discussed before how weGÇÖre not really keen on non choices in New Eden (See the clone removal for one example of this). Secondly, a pilot concerned about people watching them has no in-game choice to counter this overpowered source of information. They can either log in and face the fact that notifications have instantly appeared for everyone wanting to hurt them, or simply not play. As you can imagine, thatGÇÖs not a choice that we really want to encourage!

We understand that for many people, this will fundamentally change the way you can use the (now renamed) buddy list, and we apologize for any short term inconvenience this may cause. WeGÇÖre happy to discuss any use cases we may have neglected and any suggestions for future iteration that donGÇÖt contradict the reasoning outlined above.

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Hmmm...Taking a bit too much notice of our focus groups are we not CCP......Remember. you pay them to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear......Gong's indeed. I wonder who thought up that rather fantastic idea.


P.S. I saw what you did there.....reactivate my 'Try New Camera' would you....It was deactivated for a very good reason...It's Not fit for purpose.