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ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:56:00 - [31] Well tee-hee on the [DEV] tag Can't believe t20 still has a job tbh... CCP is too lenient on their staff... the world is full of able game devs. Devs, be glad I'm not your boss tbh
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:57:00 - [32] Originally by: August Personage 1.people have been calling them BoD for the past few days, and quite a lot of new anti-bob sigs sporting BoD. laugh it up, and then cry when BoB decide they want to get in on the joke, they're not impersonating CCP, they are laughing at your paranoia. 2.the bob holding corp has been tin foil for quite a while now. 3. there are a lot of different people in bob, of course they're going to react differently Response: 1. I know they are mocking. Maybe this is the one time they shouldn't. 3. Listen, I just gathered the responses from a 70 page thread. I think it is right that they react differently. I just wanted to give the main responses that were filed.
Sir BuildALot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Epic voice Originally by: Darkstar BP 1. BoB pilots have been flying with "[DEV]" tags in the last few days. 2. The Executor corp of BoB is now named "Tin Foil" It has boiled over. BOB members are even getting blamed for cheating on the Test server at the moment. In my honest opinion BOB got the right to show some parts of this community the "finger" right now. So you are saying that BOB have the right to mock the community for getting an unfair advantage in a game that we all pay for equally? I think flying with [DEV] is actually against the EULA, and early in the game people were banned for impersonating CCP staff in game. Petition it then dont cry here on the forums! As for the executor corp named tin foil its been named that for a fair while now! As for someone complaining about BoB giving the finger why should a bunch of players not be angry at people after the massive witch hunt took place? Only handful of people said they would wait for the outcome everyone else deemed guilty there and then and slandered good pilots names, when it turns out from T20 confesion that not one person in BOB knew that the bpos were gotten via exploit.
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Kozak Why do people focus on what we dont know? We know that there was cheating, we dont' know what other alliance cheated. To speculate is stupid. All I know is that I'm in an alliance that has not cheated and the enemy is known to have. You expect me or anyone else to be "OK, No Biggie". These are things that I know and can react to. Did you even read your own text? What you are saying is: We know 1 dev cheated inside RKK member of the bob alliance. You Don't know who else cheated in bob. to quote yourself; 'to speculate is stupid'. And then you still go on blaming the rest of bob, you're a funny man.
Blue Rayes Revenge Taste Like Chicken	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Epic voice Originally by: Darkstar BP 1. BoB pilots have been flying with "[DEV]" tags in the last few days. 2. The Executor corp of BoB is now named "Tin Foil" It has boiled over. BOB members are even getting blamed for cheating on the Test server at the moment. In my honest opinion BOB got the right to show some parts of this community the "finger" right now. So you are saying that BOB have the right to mock the community for getting an unfair advantage in a game that we all pay for equally? I think flying with [DEV] is actually against the EULA, and early in the game people were banned for impersonating CCP staff in game. The executioner corp was found long before the whole incident at the end of last year (december if memory serves right). The tags can be appointed by anyone so chances are high if you see a bob with a dev tag one of YOUR gangm8s set it this way. Tho reading your other posts on this topic i guess ure not interested in logic. Must be good to always be right and all others beeing paranoid fools
Sir BuildALot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Kozak Why do people focus on what we dont know? We know that there was cheating, we dont' know what other alliance cheated. To speculate is stupid. All I know is that I'm in an alliance that has not cheated and the enemy is known to have. You expect me or anyone else to be "OK, No Biggie". These are things that I know and can react to. Did you even read your own text? What you are saying is: We know 1 dev cheated inside RKK member of the bob alliance. You Don't know who else cheated in bob. to quote yourself; 'to speculate is stupid'. And then you still go on blaming the rest of bob, you're a funny man. What do you expect he is a on a bandwagon full of sheep with blinkers on
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Kozak Why do people focus on what we dont know? We know that there was cheating, we dont' know what other alliance cheated. To speculate is stupid. All I know is that I'm in an alliance that has not cheated and the enemy is known to have. You expect me or anyone else to be "OK, No Biggie". These are things that I know and can react to. Wait -- aren't you in AAA? Personally, I think the systematic cheating of the Goonies, RA and AAA is in some ways worse. With the BoB thing, the number of people involved is clearly very small. The Goonie client hack was used by at least hundreds. Who knows how many RA benefitted from exploiting complexes? And the AAA logging tricks, involving dozens and dozens of pilots, are well known. Yes, a dev cheating is more serious than those, absolutely. That doesn't mean those others don't count. From the standpoint of THE ALLIANCE'S behavior, most of the coalition going at BoB are throwing rocks in glass houses. I'd like to see EVERYONE in Eve clean up their act, and there are a lot of acts that need cleaning up besides BoB. This kind of hypocritical witch-hunt thing is bogus.
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:11:00 - [38] One wonders if the lack of response in form of statement from the usual bob forum warriors means one of the following things 1) they are eating humble pie 2) they have been banned and cant actually respond seriously tho, my dislike of bob is no secret, i haven't liked them from the early days starting in eve, but as i have stated another forum posting, the members of bob have nothing to blame but for them selves as they are in the position to restore their tarnished reputation by kicking out those members that are apart of the whole farce otherwise they are just as guilty as the ones responsible. I just want the whole issue resolved and equality across the board in all aspects of the game, so that we can continue to play on a even and fair 'playing field'. froggy
Blue Rayes Revenge Taste Like Chicken	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Frogzuk I just want the whole issue resolved and equality across the board in all aspects of the game, so that we can continue to play on a even and fair 'playing field'. GL with that one....I would be surprised if that's ever gonan happen since as in one aspect EVE is like RL, the world isn't a fair place to live in....
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:16:00 - [40] Id much rather see a dev appology to BoB.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:16:00 - [41] Kozi, respect you crazily as I do, and love you like a brother, I do think this kind of mania has to end at some point. Yes, they cheated, yes, third party intervention caught them at it. Will serious lessons be learnt? I believe they will.. And that for me is enough. But, if this happens again, then we will all be proved wrong and there are plenty of other things to be doing, especially with summer coming up and new mmorpgs on the horizon. Lets drop the issue and move on.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:18:00 - [42] You cannot blame BoB about actions of a dev to improve his gaming "expirience" (even if he donated the bpos to the corp) You could blame BoB if SirMolle accepted the blackmail, bcs then they had tried to cover the things up. But they didnt. If you wana go shoot BoB, go shoot them. But dont retend to be the holly crusader vs the game plague Period ----------------------------------
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Dekiri Noone really believes this was all BoB got fed. Unless you can support that accusation with proof(or anyone else for that matter) we(as the eve community) should not start that discussion. With regards Killerco Don't be a great man just be a man
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:35:00 - [44] Because what we really, really needed was another thread about this. Max --------------------
C4R3B34R Amarr Captial Productions Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:36:00 - [45] From Terms of Service section of Policies... 8. You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP, Siminn or an EVE Online volunteer. Having a "[DEV]" tag falls under this rule, And yet no action is being takin? -----------------------------------------------
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:37:00 - [46] Originally by: killerco Originally by: Dekiri Noone really believes this was all BoB got fed. Unless you can support that accusation with proof(or anyone else for that matter) we(as the eve community) should not start that discussion. With regards Killerco you know the "proof or stfu" doesnt really work atm...
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:39:00 - [47] I find it funny that BOB and friends think they did not need a DEV to cheat for them. I guess the DEV(T20), (afaik a director of RKK and capital fleet commander) thought RKK and BOB needed to CHEAT. p.s. I demand a refund from BOB for my Tinfoil hat.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: killerco Originally by: Dekiri Noone really believes this was all BoB got fed. Unless you can support that accusation with proof(or anyone else for that matter) we(as the eve community) should not start that discussion. With regards Killerco you know the "proof or stfu" doesnt really work atm... neither does keep throwing in accusations unless you can support them. Don't be a great man just be a man
TheArchJudge Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 11/02/2007 14:20:16 You cannot blame BoB about actions of a dev to improve his gaming "expirience" (even if he donated the bpos to the corp) You could blame BoB if SirMolle accepted the blackmail, bcs then they had tried to cover the things up. But they didnt. If you wana go shoot BoB, go shoot them. But dont pretend to be the holly crusader vs the game plague Period QFT
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:49:00 - [50] Originally by: killerco Originally by: Dekiri Noone really believes this was all BoB got fed. Unless you can support that accusation with proof(or anyone else for that matter) we(as the eve community) should not start that discussion. With regards Killerco I think he's referring to the motherships etc. that BoB has aquired through official events. It's entirely possible that the events were fair, they had no advance warning of rules for the alliance tournament, the devs had no hand in planning their setups and BoB just are that good. It's ALSO entirely possible that they got a tip off about the rules in advance, had a say in the rules or devs had a hand in planning their team and strategy. Not to go tinfoil hat on you but those are both possibilities and the reason they are possibilities is because devs have yet to refute those claims as a group or provide any evidence to that effect. There's no proof either way because the only proof that can realistically be obtained is admittance by the guilty party. The fact that they've remained silent does NOT affect the efficacy of the potential for accusation. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
feiht'd'ero	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:50:00 - [51] With or without T20 BOB would still be where they are today. bob was a powerhouse before he joined them and will remain to be so untill someone knocks them off the top. then you will have another target for your own ingame inadequacies
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Djerin Edited by: Djerin on 11/02/2007 13:51:28 Originally by: Iva Soreass NO ONE CARES. No, actually it's only you and a few of your doomed allies who don't care. But i didn't expect you to be any better. The day they leave you to your destiny you'll care too. No actuley its just you and a handfull of other kids who seem to care , the REST of the server have accepted it was t20 and NOT bob. T20 said it was JUST him and has appoligised. Grow up , get a life and stop whining like a little 10 year old (unless you are 10years old then you are excused). ----------------------------------------------- "Your momma is so fat, BoB thought she was a region and took her!"
Rail Duke SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Rail Duke on 11/02/2007 15:08:37 image tag brooookeeeeeeen -------------
Rail Duke SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:12:00 - [54] Edited by: Rail Duke on 11/02/2007 15:08:35 image tag brooookeeeeeeen -------------
Topaz Skydiver	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:13:00 - [55] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 11/02/2007 15:14:02 Originally by: HellsRazor I find it funny that BOB and friends think they did not need a DEV to cheat for them. I guess the DEV(T20), (afaik a director of RKK and capital fleet commander) thought RKK and BOB needed to CHEAT. p.s. I demand a refund from BOB for my Tinfoil hat. Yes, sure, RKK needed badly a sabre and some ammo BPOs, otherwise BoB would have been doomed. 1. The RKK director, who handles BPOs, had no clue about that those BPOs were not ligid. That's like 100 percent sure from logs. 2. RKK supports a communistic model, meaning you join, you give your stuff to the Corp. If so many believe BoBs success was based on the BPO thing, then that shows the reason for me why several alliances were destroyed by BoB. They were unrealistic dreamers and forgot to do their homework.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Zeveron Edited by: Zeveron on 11/02/2007 14:20:16 You cannot blame BoB about actions of a dev to improve his gaming "expirience" (even if he donated the bpos to the corp) Actually you can in some ways. Bob members choose to follow their leaders. One of their leaders (t20 was trusted with capital division of rkk) choose to spawn BPOs for Bob. I dont care much about that though. I just think Bob are a bunch of arrogant asshats and hate em because of that. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Fracking Beach State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:16:00 - [57] I agree that it's not entire alliances fault there was a dev cheating there, but I'd be really interest in hearing BOB higherups comment on the following: Why was BOB allowed to keep the spawned BPO's until this week if the incident was discovered in June 2006? How many blueprint copies does BOB have of these BPOs that were now returned?
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:16:00 - [58] Originally by: Iva Soreass Originally by: Djerin Edited by: Djerin on 11/02/2007 13:51:28 Originally by: Iva Soreass NO ONE CARES. No, actually it's only you and a few of your doomed allies who don't care. But i didn't expect you to be any better. The day they leave you to your destiny you'll care too. No actuley its just you and a handfull of other kids who seem to care , the REST of the server have accepted it was t20 and NOT bob. T20 said it was JUST him and has appoligised. Grow up , get a life and stop whining like a little 10 year old (unless you are 10years old then you are excused). Thankyou for your opinion, it has been noted and ignored.
Spenz Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:16:00 - [59] Edited by: Spenz on 11/02/2007 15:14:02 After the denials from CCP, the thread locks, the bans, the thread deletions, the BoB forum brigade telling everyone that its all in their heads, and the tinfoil jokes, only for it to be true AFTER a HACKER of all people had to forcefully get the info CCP had for 6 months, Im not willing to believe ANYTHING CCP, BoB, or their pet alliances say. An apology is not enough at this point. It WOULD have been enough 6 months ago, and if people didnt get banned, and if threads werent locked and deleted, and if said accused alliance didnt deny everything, but at this point its far too little far too late. I dont believe CCP has come clean, nor do I believe BoB's directors knew nothing about what happened. Only one person got banned out of this whole mess, and he was the one who GAVE us the proverbial Watergate memo. At the moment I dont care if he got banned for hacking. I dont PAY him, I PAY CCP. A company that games their own game. Arent they suppose to ***** down on cheaters? What an upsidedown situation. Edit: since when is c-rack a bad word?
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: Lone Bear "Nice to see some Witch Hunt going on, nice to see a rebellion for pixels in an online computer game.Sad to see you dont follow the same conduct about modern slavery, mutilations, human rights being forgotten, your liberty being gone. Nice to see some enslaved minds going wild for some kilo bites. Flame me away if that can make your small ego feel greater, you're making me sick, lot of you should go see a shrink and look at what's going on around you so precious "eve character". It is my belief that the conduct of a person whilst active in a "no consequence" environment such as EVE or a forum speaks volumes more about the moral fiber of that person than their behaviour in the real world. When you are totally veiled by anonymity, you are at the greatest liberty to act, and it is in that setting that a person's true character presents itself. Furthermore, I think everyone's aware of this fact at some level, just some folks are in denial about it. "It's just a game" is, in my opinion, not a good justification. The "witch hunts" your member has been ranting about are in fact the natural retaliation of a group whose collective integrity has been slandered. As a result of this whole fiasco, the entirety of BoB have been labeled, unjustly, as a bunch of cheaters. Now, I'll be the first to say that you folks aren't exactly my favourite alliance of all time, but it would be unreasonable of me or anyone else to tar you all with the same brush. In fact, I'm pretty certain that the extreme majority of BoB are a bunch of honourable, fun-loving types with a well-developed sense of fair play. From the sounds of things, most of you are as scandalized over this whole event as everyone else is. BoB is the USA of EVE: life is good if you're in BoB or one of its vassal corps, but the rest of us think you are entirely too big, rich and powerful, and that it's gone to your head. That's the collective view of your alliance, and your response to this fiasco will define how the rest of the community continues to view you for a long while. This is your Watergate. ***

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