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Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:50:00 - [151] Originally by: merc999 Quote: Another bitter small BoB hater that cant do anything against them instead spamming forums with ****load of crap. You don't like BoB? Its simple take ship and go shoot them, vent your frustration. I do.. and I die and go get another one and go out again, and will continue to do so. However unlike you my post is not full of meaningless vitriol but contains facts and questions that are pertinent. Fact: S n i g g e r d l y supports hackers. Everyone knows it is no coincidence your members just happen to host his site.
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:53:00 - [152] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Originally by: Kaeten One thing I find still abit funny, when people said BOB were cheating, they were actully cheating. Not that BOB knew of this still makes a little giggle inside. Tbh BOB (SirMolle) Should make an official BOB post saying sorry or whatever. I'm glad BlackLight and other bobbits admit the facts and have moved on. If I was t20's boss he'd of been fired too. then you should say sorry too, as you were in rkk once right ? Yes I was for a very nice 6months. Great bunch of people. My post is abit messed though. even though I was in RKK I had no idea of this. However as a leader and representive of the entire alliance (I'm not a repsentive am I?), I think SirMolle should apologize on the actions that his alliance took. It's not fair to say all of BOB knwe of it because they didn't. It's like your son behaving badly in a public place filled with people. You apologize on his behalf. O even better. T20 should apologize himself ot the EVE community as he has already apologized to BOB and CCP for his out of tune behaviour. I wonder how mush ISK BOB made out of it, and if all the isk was taken back? I would be rather ****ed if Sirmolle apologised on behalf of BoB. I don't think he has the right to apologise in my place as i still feel part of Band of Brothers at the bottom of my hearth. How can any player apologise on behalf of a developer ?
Captain Hudson Caldari Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:54:00 - [153] Originally by: Qu'ut Nez Originally by: Exelsior By the way, your logic is flawed and applies only in situations where that 1% helps to win, such as athletic situations. Please don't tell me that BoB won the ASCN war by a 1% advantage, it was more like 2-3 times advantage. Same with many other BoB wars. I love it when then morally corrupt justify themselves with semantics and technicalities. BoB would probably have won the ASCN war without cheating. They would probably have succeeded in the same things and enjoyed the same reputation and status. But those are ifs and buts, and as I mentioned above there are no ifs or buts about this. They are cheaters. Whatever glories of the past went by without the help of the actual cheating, those glories were won by cheaters. The cheaters and liars who beat their own chest loudest, remember? The ones, knowing full well what they were doing, that would proudly announce their superiority over the other players. CCP will only deal with symbolic wrist slaps and damage control. So what the players can do, besides quitting the game, is set eachother +10 and bandwagon against BoB for punishment. Just don't shoot the Sabres first, no real financial loss anyway. open the curtins and go outside plz. 1 dev gave himself Bpo's, this did not win them all their fleet fights, creat dis-array in enemies command structures etc... you are certainly one bitter little soul Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:58:00 - [154] Quote: 1 dev gave himself Bpo's Who then donated them to the allinace. BoB ran a cynonet allowing sharing of accounts in breach of the EULA Sir Molle revealed RL information on another player on the forums a breach of the EULA Why are CCP not addressing these issues?
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:58:00 - [155] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: merc999 Quote: Another bitter small BoB hater that cant do anything against them instead spamming forums with ****load of crap. You don't like BoB? Its simple take ship and go shoot them, vent your frustration. I do.. and I die and go get another one and go out again, and will continue to do so. However unlike you my post is not full of meaningless vitriol but contains facts and questions that are pertinent. Fact: S n i g g e r d l y supports hackers. Everyone knows it is no coincidence your members just happen to host his site. Im not gonna even bother with this one lol! He hosts our forums so he gets to put what he wants on it fact we have no control over it.
Yumi Katanawe Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:59:00 - [156] Originally by: Sinlare S n i g g e r d l y supports hackers. Everyone knows it is no coincidence your members just happen to host his site. We also supplied Korea and Iran with nuclear weapons, but don't tell anyone please.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:03:00 - [157] Can some explain (with facts pls) how did BoB cheated? ok this hole parania gone to far. I am gona be straight and hard to my former and current allies, sorry ASCN guys, but thats the truth. At the beginning of BoB-ASCN war and b4 -A- invaded impass AXE moved once a gang to help at TPAR and TCAG. Every1 was accusing BoB about cheating about srv dropps etc etc. We engaged a BoB BS fleet at snipper range. We killed 10+ T2 BoB BSs, 90% of the involved ppl were AXE bcs they were T2 fitted and could hit and actual kill at those ranges, but the gang was 40 AXE and 80 ASCN, go figure. Another time we jumped from TCAG to TPAR, the node crashed, BoB logged directly back in, but no, our FC ordered us to wait till he gets intel from our covert at the jump system. So can some pls explain how they cheated on us? I think you guys try to destroy with words what you cannot destroy in game. So and now excuse me, I have to go kill some fatal at YM-SRU :-) ----------------------------------
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:03:00 - [158] Actualy we have to come clean here, S****dly is actually made up of WoW dev's who are **ed at losing out at this years awards to Eve and have decided to bring the game down from within.. This is all our fault T20 and the BoB leadership have in fact done nothing wrong at all,. and any confessions by T20 and the CCP CEO were forced out of them on pain of being hit with a big magic sword
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:08:00 - [159] Originally by: merc999 Actualy we have to come clean here, S****dly is actually made up of WoW dev's who are **ed at losing out at this years awards to Eve and have decided to bring the game down from within.. This is all our fault T20 and the BoB leadership have in fact done nothing wrong at all,. and any confessions by T20 and the CCP CEO were forced out of them on pain of being hit with a big magic sword You guys just admitted siding with a hacker and condoning illegal actions out of game for in game gain, you can step down from your high horse now.
redeyehunter Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:09:00 - [160] You know what guys, I really don't care. Its happend someone is dealing with it, get over it. If it was Red Alliance or Goon Swarm my response would be the same. This is a matter that CCP needed to sort out not bob, you, me or anybody else.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:12:00 - [161] Quote: You guys just admitted siding with a hacker and condoning illegal actions out of game for in game gain, you can step down from your high horse now. try reading comprension 101 again, you clearly failed first time. I havent condemned or condoned the methods used to gain any information. I have only stated the known facts about BoB's leaderships abuse of the EULA and T20's admission about the BPO's. Your posts would be noticed far more if you tried at least to address the issues.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:15:00 - [162] Quote: This is a matter that CCP needed to sort out CCP have "sorted" it out. thay have banned the accounts of one player for revealing real life info about another player While totally ignoring the fact that Sir Molle did exactly the same, plus knew about account sharing for the BoB cynonet also against the EULA. One sided "sorting"
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:16:00 - [163] Originally by: merc999 Quote: You guys just admitted siding with a hacker and condoning illegal actions out of game for in game gain, you can step down from your high horse now. try reading comprension 101 again, you clearly failed first time. I havent condemned or condoned the methods used to gain any information. I have only stated the known facts about BoB's leaderships abuse of the EULA and T20's admission about the BPO's. Your posts would be noticed far more if you tried at least to address the issues. Your corp mate did, and looking at your posts t20's actions don't stop you for blaming the rest of bob. "BoB disbands, after realising they can never win again without beng tainted by accusations of help from a higher power. The hard core of BoB form a new alliance and many old BoB players join bringing with them lots of industrial assets that ensure a fast rise to prosperity. This also fails because no-one believes that they gained these assets through game mechanics. The BoB leadership will have to play this game forever more tainted by this stain on their characters" You posted that in this thread even.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:18:00 - [164] Reading comprension again.. I have made it very clear that it is BoBs leadership who knew about this EULA transgressions that should take responsibilty for them.
invaderzim A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:18:00 - [165] It's possible that we've not seen an official bob response because they've been asked not to. ----------------- "Oh, he's very popular Ed. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, **s, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, **heads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude."
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:19:00 - [166] Originally by: merc999 Reading comprension again.. I have made it very clear that it is BoBs leadership who knew about this EULA transgressions that should take responsibilty for them. And you know this because... they told you? Didn't think so.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:21:00 - [167] Originally by: invaderzim It's possible that we've not seen an official bob response because they've been asked not to. It could also be because BoB thinks it might be advantageous to wait until this flamefest dies down a little (it already has somewhat, IMO) before making their post, so their thread isn't instantly derailed to oblivion. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:22:00 - [168] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 11/02/2007 19:56:36 BoB ran a cynonet allowing sharing of accounts in breach of the EULA Sir Molle revealed RL information on another player on the forums a breach of the EULA Can i point you to this thread? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473490 Originally by: kieron If anyone has evidence of account sharing in a cynonet network on the part of players, submit a petition. The GM team will investigage the evidence in the petition and take appropriate action.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:24:00 - [169] No because I went to a website that I had no knowledge about until all this started, and read the proof. Unlike you I make my mind up, not out of loyalty, or freindship but by reading the evidence presented and making my own judgement. Are you really niave enough to believe that if the whistleblower hadnt bought this out in to the open we would ever know about T20's illegal activities, about how the BoB leadership have breached the EULA, and how CCP have refused to take action over those EULA breaches?
Kayla Firth Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:25:00 - [170] I'm not sure if we would ever receive an official response from BoB; I don't see how it would benefit them.
Obed Imperial Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:28:00 - [171] Originally by: merc999 No because I went to a website that I had no knowledge about until all this started, and read the proof. Unlike you I make my mind up, not out of loyalty, or freindship but by reading the evidence presented and making my own judgement. Are you really niave enough to believe that if the whistleblower hadnt bought this out in to the open we would ever know about T20's illegal activities, about how the BoB leadership have breached the EULA, and how CCP have refused to take action over those EULA breaches? I found it also; it makes interesting reading to say the least. ----- I have one account and zero alts.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:28:00 - [172] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 11/02/2007 19:56:36 BoB ran a cynonet allowing sharing of accounts in breach of the EULA Sir Molle revealed RL information on another player on the forums a breach of the EULA Can i point you to this thread? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473490 Originally by: kieron If anyone has evidence of account sharing in a cynonet network on the part of players, submit a petition. The GM team will investigage the evidence in the petition and take appropriate action. as we cannot discuss petitions here I cant tell you that numerous petitions along with proof of EULA breaches have been submitted by various people Funny enough I cant tell you either that those seem to have been a bit slow in getting dealt with unlike the the petition that may or may not have been submitted against the whistleblowers banning
Dungar Loghoth Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:28:00 - [173] Originally by: invaderzim It's possible that we've not seen an official bob response because they've been asked not to. They've ordered a forum black-out, so many of their members have resorted to alts, like Sinclare and Kcel Chim. They're hoping this blows over and everyone forgets, which is fairly obvious by the sad attempts by said alts to try and deflect attention away from the core issues (because logging is a lot like getting a heads-up from your developer friends about upcoming events and gratis sabre BPOs right?). Or maybe what Dianabolic was talking about when he said "i even told you about the t20 secrets ffs" referred to something else? Not like it matters though, anything they ever say again is likely to be written off as a lie anyway. On a side note, I was saddened when the .5. announced they were disbanding and putting the alliance to bed. Resorting to using it as a shell-corporation to alt-post with is a disgrace to everything they accomplished. ---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:28:00 - [174] Originally by: Darkstar BP Two days ago it became clear there was a Dev high up in BoB, actively supporting BoB, with CCP not fixing it for 6 months Uh, no. Originally by: Kieron Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer (...) T20 was punished at the time for his misconduct. To terminate t20's employment now would appease some of the more emotional members of the community, but it would also be unfair to punish someone twice for the same misconduct. It was dealt with at the time, therefore the current witchhunt lies somewhere between "unnecessary" and "misdirected". /Ben How to fix Eve
Dungar Loghoth Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:31:00 - [175] Originally by: Ben Derindar It was dealt with at the time, therefore the current witchhunt lies somewhere between "unnecessary" and "misdirected". /Ben By dealt with, do you mean the part where they let t20 keep his character in BoB, even though all of the upper-management knew he was a dev, or the part where they let BoB keep all the spawned BPOs, that they knew he spawned for BoB? ---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic
Sinlare Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:34:00 - [176] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: invaderzim It's possible that we've not seen an official bob response because they've been asked not to. They've ordered a forum black-out, so many of their members have resorted to alts, like Sinclare and Kcel Chim. They're hoping this blows over and everyone forgets, which is fairly obvious by the sad attempts by said alts to try and deflect attention away from the core issues (because logging is a lot like getting a heads-up from your developer friends about upcoming events and gratis sabre BPOs right?). Or maybe what Dianabolic was talking about when he said "i even told you about the t20 secrets ffs" referred to something else? Not like it matters though, anything they ever say again is likely to be written off as a lie anyway. On a side note, I was saddened when the .5. announced they were disbanding and putting the alliance to bed. Resorting to using it as a shell-corporation to alt-post with is a disgrace to everything they accomplished. I think goonswarm is one of the last to talk about alts, especially alt abuse.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:34:00 - [177] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Kcel Chim You will find that i always post with this character which i call my main. No other character of mine posts in this section of the forums or ever has in the last 2 years. Tho ure prolly new to eve which might make you believe youre right.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:35:00 - [178] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Ben Derindar It was dealt with at the time, therefore the current witchhunt lies somewhere between "unnecessary" and "misdirected". /Ben By dealt with, do you mean the part where they let t20 keep his character in BoB, even though all of the upper-management knew he was a dev, or the part where they let BoB keep all the spawned BPOs, that they knew he spawned for BoB? I'm guessing that: a) At the time BoB management did not know he was a dev. b) CCP thought it was more important to cover up the situation than to deal with it, so instead of taking back the BPOs and admitting the character was a dev char, they didn't touch it. CCP, as usual. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:35:00 - [179] Or the part where CCP wre given proof of account sharing being known by BoB leadership, or the part where CCP knew about the revaeling of personal information about another player by Sir Molle. They managed to ban one player who revealed this information within hours, Sir molle's account is still active.. Strange that, maybe Sir Molle has friends in Iceland
Mike Spike	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:39:00 - [180] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])

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