Originally by: Calenth

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Yeah, exactly. It ain't like BoB doesn't have a history of widely villifying whole alliances for the actions of a few members. In fact, that's pretty much been their entire history from day one ("one of your guys killed one of our frigates, so we're taking your whole region.")

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Calenth

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Yeah, exactly. It ain't like BoB doesn't have a history of widely villifying whole alliances for the actions of a few members. In fact, that's pretty much been their entire history from day one ("one of your guys killed one of our frigates, so we're taking your whole region.")

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So using that logic, we should be flaming your whole alliance for the actions of Firstname Lastname about a year ago?

You should be the last alliance to promote villifying thousands of people for the actions of one.

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Originally by: Del369

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Edited by: Del369 on 11/02/2007 18:33:58

Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Extra Minty

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Its all good and well everyone having a go at BoB but the fact remains that it was a select few that were in on this. Your going to hold the whole alliance at the end of a gun barrell because of this?

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Yes yes, hell yes.

Everything they have ever achieved in-game is now worthless, because it was helped by cheating. Their credibility is gone, they are led by cheaters and liars and they have gotten off very very lightly, to the point of increasing suspicion.

I'm thrilled about seeing most of Eve bandwagon against them, I hope they crumble and I hope most of them quit playing this game as they have done as much as they could to ruin it.

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You should have your head checked out irl. Something is wrong with you and it is nothing good.

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When you have to resort to personal insults you've already lost the argument

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Originally by: Exelsior

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Most of what BoB achieved was through superiod co-ordination and dedication/time spent, not through cheating.

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Exelsior

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Most of what BoB achieved was through superiod co-ordination and dedication/time spent, not through cheating.

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When an athlete wins a competition by using illegal substances, 99% of the achievement is his honest efforts in training. The susbtances only give him that last 1% needed to win. But he's still a 100% cheater.

BoB are great at playing Eve, but they are cheaters. There are no ifs or buts about it.

Oh, and that self imposed forum ban applies to alts as well doesn't it?

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Originally by: Kaeten

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One thing I find still abit funny, when people said BOB were cheating, they were actully cheating. Not that BOB knew of this still makes a little giggle inside.

Tbh BOB (SirMolle) Should make an official BOB post saying sorry or whatever. I'm glad BlackLight and other bobbits admit the facts and have moved on.

If I was t20's boss he'd of been fired too.

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then you should say sorry too, as you were in rkk once right ?

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Originally by: Calenth

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Edited by: Calenth on 11/02/2007 18:40:37

Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Calenth

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Yeah, exactly. It ain't like BoB doesn't have a history of widely villifying whole alliances for the actions of a few members. In fact, that's pretty much been their entire history from day one ("one of your guys killed one of our frigates, so we're taking your whole region.")

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So using that logic, we should be flaming your whole alliance for the actions of Firstname Lastname about a year ago?

You should be the last alliance to promote villifying thousands of people for the actions of one.

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:rolleyes:

I should've known better than to try to make a subtle point on this forum. I didn't say flaming whole alliances for the actions of a few was justified.

I said it was amusing that BoB members are suddenly discovering that, given their past history. Maybe one of the positive results of all this will be that the BoB membership finally learns a little humility.

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Extra Minty

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Its all good and well everyone having a go at BoB but the fact remains that it was a select few that were in on this. Your going to hold the whole alliance at the end of a gun barrell because of this?

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Yes yes, hell yes.

Everything they have ever achieved in-game is now worthless, because it was helped by cheating. Their credibility is gone, they are led by cheaters and liars and they have gotten off very very lightly, to the point of increasing suspicion.

I'm thrilled about seeing most of Eve bandwagon against them, I hope they crumble and I hope most of them quit playing this game as they have done as much as they could to ruin it.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Originally by: Kaeten

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One thing I find still abit funny, when people said BOB were cheating, they were actully cheating. Not that BOB knew of this still makes a little giggle inside.

Tbh BOB (SirMolle) Should make an official BOB post saying sorry or whatever. I'm glad BlackLight and other bobbits admit the facts and have moved on.

If I was t20's boss he'd of been fired too.

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then you should say sorry too, as you were in rkk once right ?

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Yes I was for a very nice 6months. Great bunch of people. My post is abit messed though. even though I was in RKK I had no idea of this. However as a leader and representive of the entire alliance (I'm not a repsentive am I?), I think SirMolle should apologize on the actions that his alliance took. It's not fair to say all of BOB knwe of it because they didn't. It's like your son behaving badly in a public place filled with people. You apologize on his behalf.

O even better. T20 should apologize himself ot the EVE community as he has already apologized to BOB and CCP for his out of tune behaviour.

I wonder how mush ISK BOB made out of it, and if all the isk was taken back?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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I understand your point, and its sadly all too true. BoB's propaganda is almost solely based on mocking leaders like McCreedy and Cyvok; and now they're going to get it right back at them.

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Originally by: Exelsior

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By the way, your logic is flawed and applies only in situations where that 1% helps to win, such as athletic situations. Please don't tell me that BoB won the ASCN war by a 1% advantage, it was more like 2-3 times advantage. Same with many other BoB wars.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Calenth

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Yeah, exactly. It ain't like BoB doesn't have a history of widely villifying whole alliances for the actions of a few members. In fact, that's pretty much been their entire history from day one ("one of your guys killed one of our frigates, so we're taking your whole region.")

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So using that logic, we should be flaming your whole alliance for the actions of Firstname Lastname about a year ago?

You should be the last alliance to promote villifying thousands of people for the actions of one.

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Originally by: Frogzuk

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One wonders if the lack of response in form of statement from the usual bob forum warriors means one of the following things

1) they are eating humble pie

2) they have been banned and cant actually respond

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Why have we let our hate and rage and blind anger toward someone that plays better than me blind me from seeing my own mistakes and letting ebil BoB exploit situation?

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Originally by: Kaeten

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Tbh BOB (SirMolle) Should make an official BOB post saying sorry or whatever. I'm glad BlackLight and other bobbits admit the facts and have moved on.

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Why have we let our hate and rage and blind anger toward someone that plays better than me blind me from seeing my own mistakes and letting ebil BoB exploit situation?

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Because they are cheaters and liars, have you not been following the news?

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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would a hug help?

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Originally by: Extra Minty

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Are you forgetting that D2 illegally used forum IP addressess to ban people? Whats worse? Imo D2, dont see anyone with torches and stakes burning down their doors.

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Why have we let our hate and rage and blind anger toward someone that plays better than me blind me from seeing my own mistakes and letting ebil BoB exploit situation?

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Because they are cheaters and liars, have you not been following the news?

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no they aren't. you are attention seeking little poor man that is in corporation that achieved nothing and that is jaleus to BoB successes so now that happened that one of CCP employees that have right to play this game same as you or me cheated and that it happened to be BoB now you marked whole alliance as cheaters.

imho that only shows how poor and little and bitter you are?

would a hug help?

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Originally by: merc999

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Should Sir Molle make an apology on behalf of the the boB alliance?

It depends on wether you think that the leadership of BoB had any idea that T20 was a dev, that the BPO's were illegally (in game terms) aquirred, and wether they knew about the Cynonet account sharing.
I think there is ample proof enough that Sir Molle knew about ALL of the above.

Also there is the question of wether Sir Molle account should be suspended for revealing the real life identity of the whistleblower on these forums, albeit briefly before he edited the post. If the whistleblower had is account banned for exactly this "crime" why is Sir Molles account still active?.

BoB are failing to take any responsibilty for thesse events/actions and CCP are taking a one sided approach to dealing with these EULA breaches.

Either Sir Molle should be banned or Kugutsemen's accoumnts should be re-instated.

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Originally by: Allen Deckard

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d2 didn't have the people that write the code of the game doing it for them.

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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You don't like BoB? Its simple take ship and go shoot them, vent your frustration.

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Originally by: Avernus

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My first and only response in any of these related threads;

How long are people going to drag BoB over the coals on this? I highly doubt anyone here of sound mind believes for a moment that more than a fraction of a fraction of all of the BoB members had any inkling what was going on. My personal beliefs don't come into it, the tag under my name is susceptible to flame simply for my alliance standings with BoB.

The level of spite displayed here towards a group of players, the utterly vast majority of whom bear zero responsibility whatsoever in this matter, is frankly sickening. The will displayed to punish people who have no guilt is fueled by alternating motives of envy, hatred, cowardice, political aspirations and propaganda based bull. Did you recently cut them off yourselves or did you choose to create your characters to be eunuchs?

To doubt that this hasn't been given the highest level of attention by CCP is to name yourself a fool; name one other incident in the long history of incidents in Eve that has ever garnered a public response by the CEO of CCP himself.

Find some self respect so that you can figure out how to show some respect to others; people used to say that the greatest thing about Eve is its community, that high watermark is shamefully sinking fast.

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Originally by: Allen Deckard

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d2 didn't have the people that write the code of the game doing it for them.

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Another bitter small BoB hater that cant do anything against them instead spamming forums with ****load of crap. You don't like BoB? Its simple take ship and go shoot them, vent your frustration.

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Exelsior

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By the way, your logic is flawed and applies only in situations where that 1% helps to win, such as athletic situations. Please don't tell me that BoB won the ASCN war by a 1% advantage, it was more like 2-3 times advantage. Same with many other BoB wars.

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I love it when then morally corrupt justify themselves with semantics and technicalities.

BoB would probably have won the ASCN war without cheating. They would probably have succeeded in the same things and enjoyed the same reputation and status.

But those are ifs and buts, and as I mentioned above there are no ifs or buts about this. They are cheaters. Whatever glories of the past went by without the help of the actual cheating, those glories were won by cheaters.

The cheaters and liars who beat their own chest loudest, remember? The ones, knowing full well what they were doing, that would proudly announce their superiority over the other players.

CCP will only deal with symbolic wrist slaps and damage control. So what the players can do, besides quitting the game, is set eachother +10 and bandwagon against BoB for punishment.

Just don't shoot the Sabres first, no real financial loss anyway.

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Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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You don't like BoB? Its simple take ship and go shoot them, vent your frustration.

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Guess what most of Eve is about to do.

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