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Dungar Loghoth Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:59:00 - [181] Originally by: Dark Shikari a) At the time BoB management did not know he was a dev. I thought (hoped, I've played this game for two and a half years, and I desperately want to cling to anything points to CCP somehow being innocent) maybe you were right, at the time they didn't know. I went back and looked at what was posted: Quote: Originally Posted by Dianabolic dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those. Except you didn't, did you? You knew his character (or said you did) and you said "I can't tell you, I promised". Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:09 pm ---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:59:00 - [182] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Ben Derindar It was dealt with at the time, therefore the current witchhunt lies somewhere between "unnecessary" and "misdirected". By dealt with, do you mean the part where they let t20 keep his character in BoB, even though all of the upper-management knew he was a dev, or the part where they let BoB keep all the spawned BPOs, that they knew he spawned for BoB? According to Kug's own forums Ishos posted his resignation from RKK on Wednesday the 12th of July 2006. Now I may not live in the Northern Hemisphere, but I'm pretty sure all the books I've read on the subject tell me that July lies at the height of the northern summer, which coincides nicely with what kieron said about the incident having originally been discovered over the summer of last year and the punishment that took place at the time. Read it again here. As for BoB being aware of any wrongdoing, it's pretty clear from the quotes posted at the beginning of this very thread that they're as shocked and surprised by all this as the rest of us. /Ben How to fix Eve
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:03:00 - [183] No-one is pointing the finger at the Bob members, they play the game just like anyone else. It is the BoB leadership , who knew about the affair, and the other EULA breaches that should have the balls to do what T20 has done, and stand up and apologise for cheating. The rank and file BoB members have nothing, zero, zip to be ashamed about. I applaud there achievements and their abilities.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:05:00 - [184] Originally by: Ben Derindar As for BoB being aware of any wrongdoing, it's pretty clear from the quotes posted at the beginning of this very thread that they're as shocked and surprised by all this as the rest of us. Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Quote: Originally Posted by Dianabolic dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those. Except you didn't, did you? You knew his character (or said you did) and you said "I can't tell you, I promised". Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:09 pm R > C > P. ---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic
Raptorius Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:06:00 - [185] I think the thing that worries people the most is If he could do something like spawning t2 bpo's what is it he couldn't do? The reason why dev's shouldn't be playing on tranq is: 1) They know every bug or "game mechanic" as some may call it while people who pay to play lose every time bc they simply can't know all these bugs. 2) There is a test Server and if there's a 100 dev's they can have alot of 50 on 50's and also have ppl from traq on test server. 3) Dev's are paid to play eve which gives a huge disadvantage to actual rl ppl with jobs and not 10-14 hours a day to play eve. 4)I know some people who won't be playing EvE anymore due to this loss of Trust and were great dedicated members. If dev's weren't playing on Tranq, they would still be here. I know they claim it makes the game better to have the dev's playing and I'm sure it does to a point but do the positives weigh more than the negatives? Rap
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:19:00 - [186] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Quote: Originally Posted by Dianabolic dimensionZ wrote: ...hell even t20 secret infos i had in the past, i trusted u all with those. Except you didn't, did you? You knew his character (or said you did) and you said "I can't tell you, I promised". Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:09 pm That only proves that some of the higher-ups knew who he was, and not that they knew he had abused his position. It's called confidentiality, something that your friend Kug knows all about how not to violate. /Ben How to fix Eve
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:29:00 - [187] Lesson no. 1 in eve: Paranoia is your best friend. At the moment paranoia is connecting all the dots.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:34:00 - [188] Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 11/02/2007 21:30:41 Originally by: Ben Derindar That only proves that some of the higher-ups knew who he was, and not that they knew he had abused his position. It's called confidentiality, something that your friend Kug knows all about how not to violate. /Ben The fact that they knew who he was means he was abusing his position, as it is against CCP's own rules to disclose developer status to anyone. That isn't even mentioning the "secrets" Dianabolic and the rest of the leadership felt were so sensitive they couldn't even tell their membership, secrets about/from t20. ---- "I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it." - Dianabolic
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:39:00 - [189] Well, honestly, if Kugu's info about the T2 BPOs was true. . .we have NO reason to believe that the rest of the stuff he posted wasn't true. Of what I saw of it. . .there were logs of BOB's leadership (Molle, Diana, and others) talking about letting people that they KNEW sold ISK on EBay to farm a plex out in BOB space and then they'd get a cut. That right there is in direct violation of the EULA. CCP themselves admitted Molle violated the EULA when he gave out Kugu's real life info like a spoiled child and asked for people to try and get him fired and whatnot. Yet, somehow, Molle still comes on the forums to announce BOB's big new war and nonsense and to talk more trash. Funny, that. I think a LOT of us would slow up on the BOB hate if CCP would actually ever do anything to them when they broke the rules. Forget all the theories and speculation on what they MIGHT have done. We know what they DID do and CCP hasn't punished them for it yet. No wonder people are ****ed off. Now, after that. . .the new issue becomes all the people in BOB that had no clue what was going on. Personally, I think that most of them had a pretty good idea considering how they treated everyone else on EVE-O and acted like a bunch of fools. . .but I'll go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt. However, now that they know their leadership screwed 'em they are STILL acting like a bunch of jerks. They're flying around with [DEV] tags and whatnot and I've only seen about 2 of them show ANY remorse whatsoever over the entire incident. If I was in that alliance and I knew that I'd been lied to by my leadership and made to look like a goat, I'd either A) leave or B) start a coup and get all the dirty cheats out so I could clear my name. It really doesn't look like any BOBbits are bothering to do that tho. Instead, they are throwing themselves into another war against folks that worked to get their cheaters exposed and to pressure CCP into actually responding to the incident. Hrm. . .nice guys those BOBsters. Face facts. If the majority of 'BOB' wants to stop the hate and rage and "witch hunts" then they have complete control/ability to do it. However, it seems like they'd rather play the victim and have a bunch of you 'tards come on here and defend them all and decry all the hate even tho it is WELL deserved. Of course, I'm sure this thread as the occasional BOB alt in it helping to sway favor back to their side as well. Personally, once I see Molle banned and the other folks in their leadership dealt with appropriately I'll stop complaining. BOB has the right to act like a buncha A-holes, but they don't have the right to cheat.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:47:00 - [190] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth The fact that they knew who he was means he was abusing his position, as it is against CCP's own rules to disclose developer status to anyone. ...for which he was already punished by CCP when it was originally discovered last year as kieron said, which brings me back to my original point. The only one deserving of a witchhunt against him now is Kugutsumen for the way in which he has dug up what should have stayed a closed and confidential case. Unfortunately, CCP's powers only go as far as banning him from the game, but I guess that'll have to do. /Ben How to fix Eve
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Dinamita Tona whole lotta stuff Oh can it already. You're just upset it's about people you like or fly with. Most of the people here say it's about those who knew and not about all of BoB. For you however, it's just convenient to shout "ohnoes, they are crufifyng us for things we didn't do!!!", even if we don't blame you as a whole, because that way you can deflect the opposing argument better. I ask all of you this: If it was about another alliance what would 90% of the regular BoB posters say on these boards? Exactly. That's why you get this treatment. Nobody believes you are 100% cheaters, it's just funnier to use your methods against you and see you complain "no fair guys" You used every dirty trick in the book, things escalated and now it swings right back in your face. Big fing deal, you've done the public humiliation trick yourselves a lot of times, it's only a game, so in the words of your members "bitter much?" Originally by:* Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:49:00 - [192] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Dungar Loghoth The fact that they knew who he was means he was abusing his position, as it is against CCP's own rules to disclose developer status to anyone. ...for which he was already punished by CCP when it was originally discovered last year as kieron said, which brings me back to my original point. The only one deserving of a witchhunt against him now is Kugutsumen for the way in which he has dug up what should have stayed a closed and confidential case. Unfortunately, CCP's powers only go as far as banning him from the game, but I guess that'll have to do. /Ben Yes, Ben. . .Kugut should be the one where ALL our rage is directed because he actually forced CCP into addressing the issue and reseeding the ill-gotten BPOs. . . .SIX MONTHS AFTER THEY WERE DISCOVERED!!! Man, you CCP/BOB apologist keep getting more pathetic by the minute.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:50:00 - [193] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 11/02/2007 21:30:41 Originally by: Ben Derindar That only proves that some of the higher-ups knew who he was, and not that they knew he had abused his position. It's called confidentiality, something that your friend Kug knows all about how not to violate. /Ben The fact that they knew who he was means he was abusing his position, as it is against CCP's own rules to disclose developer status to anyone. That isn't even mentioning the "secrets" Dianabolic and the rest of the leadership felt were so sensitive they couldn't even tell their membership, secrets about/from t20. This is all idle speculation. At best, One BoB director (dmZ) knew who t20 was, and its clear he wouldnt even tell the other directors. Honestly, what exactly are you claiming BoB have done wrong?
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:54:00 - [194] Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/02/2007 21:51:22 Originally by: Liquid Vision Well, honestly, if Kugu's info about the T2 BPOs was true. . .we have NO reason to believe that the rest of the stuff he posted wasn't true. look here
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:59:00 - [195] Quote: Honestly, what exactly are you claiming BoB have done wrong? BoB? .. no only the BoB leadership 1. operated shared accounts, organised on an alliance level (Cynonet) breach of EULA 2. revealed real life deatils on the forums of another member -breach of EULA 3.Knowingly accepted BPO's from a Dev who obtained them by out of game mechanics- cheating these are only what has been exposed, who knows what else may still be to come out
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:03:00 - [196] Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/02/2007 21:51:22 Originally by: Liquid Vision Well, honestly, if Kugu's info about the T2 BPOs was true. . .we have NO reason to believe that the rest of the stuff he posted wasn't true. look here And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing. Especially considering that 99% of the information he posted was QUANTIFIABLE. Like the HUGE list of BOB alts. I see PLENTY of them posting in these threads and I laugh because they think nobody knows who they are. If Kugut had lied about everything BUT T20's little scandal, then I guess CCP would have come out and denounced all his claims with proof to sate the community's appetite for information. This would all go away and everyone would blame T20 and no one else and we'd be done with it. However, that isn't the case. Kugut posted a ton of stuff. . .the overwhelming majority of which can be proven to be true by people with access. However, those people happen to be CCP and they aren't gonna do a damn thing to further hurt their rep. They were letting a few people rob the community blind and now that they've been caught they tossed out a pittance and a fake apology to try and satisfy everyone and make them shut up.
Wicked Child Wicked Nation	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:04:00 - [197] Plain and simple sir Molle needs to be perma banned for releasing a players RL info. This is cut and dry bannable offense.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:07:00 - [198] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/02/2007 22:04:07 Originally by: merc999 Quote: Honestly, what exactly are you claiming BoB have done wrong? BoB? .. no only the BoB leadership 1. operated shared accounts, organised on an alliance level (Cynonet) breach of EULA There are at least 3 other alliances that do the same. Originally by: merc999 3.Knowingly accepted BPO's from a Dev who obtained them by out of game mechanics- cheating these are only what has been exposed, who knows what else may still be to come out Wait, it was just said only one director knew, but now "the whole leadership knew"? Originally by: Wicked Child Plain and simple sir Molle needs to be perma banned for releasing a players RL info. This is cut and dry bannable offense. Its been done many times before by other people, who were not permabanned. However, he should be at least tempbanned. He needs to get the message that he's not allowed to break the rules, regardless of how important he is. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:08:00 - [199] Originally by: Raptorius I think the thing that worries people the most is If he could do something like spawning t2 bpo's what is it he couldn't do? The reason why dev's shouldn't be playing on tranq is: 1) They know every bug or "game mechanic" as some may call it while people who pay to play lose every time bc they simply can't know all these bugs. 2) There is a test Server and if there's a 100 dev's they can have alot of 50 on 50's and also have ppl from traq on test server. 3) Dev's are paid to play eve which gives a huge disadvantage to actual rl ppl with jobs and not 10-14 hours a day to play eve. 4)I know some people who won't be playing EvE anymore due to this loss of Trust and were great dedicated members. If dev's weren't playing on Tranq, they would still be here. I know they claim it makes the game better to have the dev's playing and I'm sure it does to a point but do the positives weigh more than the negatives? Rap The problem is not a dev playing the game it is a dev using his powers in a wrong way. To give a advantage to one side ot take a advantage is abuse of powers and CCP should deal with them accordingly. Members who notice a pilot, dev or average joe or jane, altering the game play(cheating) it should be reposrted to the leadership as well as CCP. The leadership should put the member on trial privatly and vote to see the outcome and delt with quietly. CCP should deal with the dev on their own terms via powers removed a leave of some time without pay or a dismissile (fired). All grading on how bad the case of actions were. In truth a dev playing EVE is a good thing, this is because when they play eve they become more attactched then just a simple job. Devs don't just play eve they work and if they play, they play on their own free time not on CCPs paying watch as CCP then would be wasting money. Devs who play to the rules as every other player should and not cheat as every player shouldn't then you will never notice them. That newbie you ganked in Jita might just of been a new dev or a dev alt who followed the rules, then again that pirate that killed you in 0.1 space might be a vet player who is also a dev obeying the laws. If you remove Devs form playing a game why should they really put that much work into EVE other then just to fill the time between nine and five. If they don't really care nothing really would be new or good for the older players and focuses only for yonger players to get more people and higher numbers. As just a side note then, any person who would like to become a dev to help this game would learn they would have to never play on the main server would soon stop trying to be a dev as they would never truely see the effects of their labor. These are my own views on it. If a Dev cheated and made BPOs then they should be removed, and the dev should lose his powers for a limited time if not permanantly. If you remove the items it would be too many as it would reach outside of just BoB but to anyone who bought that ship form a station tat just happened to be from BoB. What would be worse if those ships are removed the money gained is more likly then not already spent into a different investment making it impossible to really return things to how they were. If you disband BoB what wil stop them from just reforming once again and now with a boast that it took a cheating dev and CCP to kill them and no player could of ever gotten close, that they were too powerful and were set up so they would take a fall. If your going to say I am pro BoB or agenst BoB, think what you will. They are neutral to me at the current time.
DrLogan New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:17:00 - [200] Ban all the devs imo. -------------------------- FYI, a dev has responded finally, but the bug has yet to be fixed.
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:17:00 - [201] Edited by: Cringeley on 11/02/2007 22:15:08 Originally by: Kin Hanyerec look here look here
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:21:00 - [202] Originally by: Liquid Vision Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/02/2007 21:51:22 Originally by: Liquid Vision Well, honestly, if Kugu's info about the T2 BPOs was true. . .we have NO reason to believe that the rest of the stuff he posted wasn't true. look here And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing. Especially considering that 99% of the information he posted was QUANTIFIABLE. Like the HUGE list of BOB alts. I see PLENTY of them posting in these threads and I laugh because they think nobody knows who they are. If Kugut had lied about everything BUT T20's little scandal, then I guess CCP would have come out and denounced all his claims with proof to sate the community's appetite for information. This would all go away and everyone would blame T20 and no one else and we'd be done with it. However, that isn't the case. Kugut posted a ton of stuff. . .the overwhelming majority of which can be proven to be true by people with access. However, those people happen to be CCP and they aren't gonna do a damn thing to further hurt their rep. They were letting a few people rob the community blind and now that they've been caught they tossed out a pittance and a fake apology to try and satisfy everyone and make them shut up. I give up discussing this... I'm just pointing out that your argument : X is true and X is posted by kugutsumen therefore everything posted by kugutsumen is true, is flawed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:22:00 - [203] Dark Shakiri if you know of other alliances breaching the EULA have you got proof? and petitioned them? If not, why not, ? I only have seen proof of one that is breaching the EULA. Go to the website that cant be mentioned on here ( I guess you know which one) and see the discussions between Bob leadership, then tell me that the leadership did not know. Sir Molle should recieve a Temp ban? why should he be different from one other user who has recieved a permanent ban for the same offence?
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:23:00 - [204] Edited by: Liquid Vision on 11/02/2007 22:20:12 Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Originally by: Liquid Vision Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/02/2007 21:51:22 Originally by: Liquid Vision Well, honestly, if Kugu's info about the T2 BPOs was true. . .we have NO reason to believe that the rest of the stuff he posted wasn't true. look here And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing. Especially considering that 99% of the information he posted was QUANTIFIABLE. Like the HUGE list of BOB alts. I see PLENTY of them posting in these threads and I laugh because they think nobody knows who they are. If Kugut had lied about everything BUT T20's little scandal, then I guess CCP would have come out and denounced all his claims with proof to sate the community's appetite for information. This would all go away and everyone would blame T20 and no one else and we'd be done with it. However, that isn't the case. Kugut posted a ton of stuff. . .the overwhelming majority of which can be proven to be true by people with access. However, those people happen to be CCP and they aren't gonna do a damn thing to further hurt their rep. They were letting a few people rob the community blind and now that they've been caught they tossed out a pittance and a fake apology to try and satisfy everyone and make them shut up. I give up discussing this... I'm just pointing out that your argument : X is true and X is posted by kugutsumen therefore everything posted by kugutsumen is true, is flawed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example Listen you dolt. . .the only thing flawed here is you and the fact that you're a BOBbit who is part of their CynoNET and you're posting with an alt because you're a spineless GUILTY coward. No wonder you're trying to pin Kugut as a liar. . .HE BUSTED YOU ADMITTING TO BREAKING THE EULA!! Go away, people are tired of the spin and the lies.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:31:00 - [205] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/02/2007 22:29:30 Originally by: merc999 Dark Shakiri if you know of other alliances breaching the EULA have you got proof? and petitioned them? If not, why not, ? I only have seen proof of one that is breaching the EULA. Because CCP has made EVE such that a cynonet is basically required for widespread capital ship movement, and AAA, RA, and BoB would be screwed equally without one. Goonfleet broke the EULA brazenly with their portrait hack, but nobody even got tempbanned for that. CCP just doesn't care. Quote: Go to the website that cant be mentioned on here ( I guess you know which one) and see the discussions between Bob leadership, then tell me that the leadership did not know. I can make up chatlogs too if I wanted to. There's no way to guarantee everything on a 3rd party website is perfectly true. If Kugustumen wanted you to, he could make you believe that D2 were MC alts just by posting it there. Originally by: merc999 Sir Molle should recieve a Temp ban? why should he be different from one other user who has recieved a permanent ban for the same offence? Are you referring to Kugustumen? I believe he was banned for the hacking, more than anything else. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
FGxHalsey Freedom Guard Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:36:00 - [206] Edited by: FGxHalsey on 11/02/2007 22:33:25 I don't think many BoB members were aware of the cheating but I do believe most of the leadership was aware. In my opinion the BoB leadership has no credibility anymore as it is apparent most of them were lying to the community and making fun of the community members that were trying to expose events that actually happened. To the BoB members who didn't know: I truly am sorry that you fell into that crowd and have the taint of cheater over your head because of it. To the "Proof or STFU" crowd: next time be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:37:00 - [207] Originally by: Liquid Vision Yes, Ben. . .Kugut should be the one where ALL our rage is directed because he actually forced CCP into addressing the issue and reseeding the ill-gotten BPOs. . . .SIX MONTHS AFTER THEY WERE DISCOVERED!!! How many more times to I need to point this out? Originally by: Liquid Vision Man, you CCP/BOB apologist keep getting more pathetic by the minute. First one to get personal on a forum debate loses. Seriously, I was undecided on this particular issue myself until it was revealed that CCP dealt with the issue internally at the time last year. I don't think BoB are completely innocent on all charges (making deals with known ebayers is a cause for concern), and the irony of things like their sigs/forum conduct during the ASCN war is not lost on me, but right now there's a lot of blind hate out there towards the alliance as a whole which I believe is simply unwarranted. /Ben How to fix Eve
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:38:00 - [208] again.. go to that website and read.. It is notable that BoB have not denied the content or claimed that the content reproduced on there is made up. probably because they know it has been saved to hard drives with details that can show their accuracy!! Although that could be their next tactic (screen shots this post with time and date for royalties) if they that silly and the message detailing the reason for the account banning is also on there.. guess what ? its for revealing personal info, exactly what Sir Molle has also done
Wicked Child Wicked Nation	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:38:00 - [209] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/02/2007 22:29:30 Originally by: merc999 Dark Shakiri if you know of other alliances breaching the EULA have you got proof? and petitioned them? If not, why not, ? I only have seen proof of one that is breaching the EULA. Because CCP has made EVE such that a cynonet is basically required for widespread capital ship movement, and AAA, RA, and BoB would be screwed equally without one. Goonfleet broke the EULA brazenly with their portrait hack, but nobody even got tempbanned for that. CCP just doesn't care. Quote: Go to the website that cant be mentioned on here ( I guess you know which one) and see the discussions between Bob leadership, then tell me that the leadership did not know. I can make up chatlogs too if I wanted to. There's no way to guarantee everything on a 3rd party website is perfectly true. If Kugustumen wanted you to, he could make you believe that D2 were MC alts just by posting it there. Originally by: merc999 Sir Molle should recieve a Temp ban? why should he be different from one other user who has recieved a permanent ban for the same offence? Are you referring to Kugustumen? I believe he was banned for the hacking, more than anything else. Hacking what.. a 3rd party out of game private site??? That makes no difference to the fact that Sir Molle violated a clear permaban policy of posting RL players info on an ingame official site. I dont hate the man..but he must be banned.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 22:42:00 - [210] BTW.. lets be very clear here, there is no proof of any illegal "Hacking", there are ways to get access to private forums without using any illegal methods. any stating that a person "HAS" hacked without proof on a public forum can be very silly

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