Yeah, the speed is criminal too. 951 m/s for firbs with 4 FCU. That was what I'd actually hoped was bugged, but no, offlining them made them slower still.

A freakin' hyperion would outrun them.

Its kind of an issue when the webbing fighters can't keep up with a target they have webbed and moreover the fact you need to pull drones to re-arm them.

I've bitched about it repeatedly in slack, the speed is a non issue if we didnt need to pull to reload and webbing drones could actually sit on a webbed target without burning a cooldown.

I covered the fact their vaunted "long range" is a nonsense too, but I was literally the only voice. No-one gave a crap. At least I tried. The argument is with the range comes trade offs, which is not wihout merit, it does need a drawback: except the drawbacks are currently so severe it is completely unusable.

Drop at 0 or GTFO. More likely, don't drop at all and warp to anom....

Havent seen this mentioned yet. What about the cost of fighters now that we need twice as many if them as before? Are their material costs going to be reduced?

Lights and heavys will carry over but what about bpos for the new fighter classes prior to the changes?

Please add a hotkey for all fighters to attack one target. if there is, i couldnt find it/it isnt working on SISI. Secondly, i really hope there is an icon that will indiciate which squadron is attacking what target. Again, on sisi it wasnt there which made things very confusing.
Lastly, the cooldown cycles for the fighter modules is just bad all around. please remove it. or make it shorter or give us back the ability to rep fighters. I can understand the cooldown on the rocket volleys but the MWD?!? that needs to go. Anyone else in agreement with me here?

Why the variation in fighter hangar size between carriers? It feels like it penalizes / buffs ships without any relation to their tank or stats.

How do you justify the fact that shield carriers get relatively low total shield values compared to armor tanked carriers, despite having no option to fit shield-slave sets? This capital and supercapital rebalance was the opportunity to change the meta, but I guess we'll keep seeing only armor due to the absurd amount of EHP lost if using shields.

(Not the mention the remote rep values that even more heavily favor armor wrecking balls)

Last I heard shield supercaps were better in almost every way. Higher EHP, able to fit an entire rack of primary tank without sacrificing damage mods, more mobile. Even with a full slave set in a Aeon still has less EHP than a Wyvern, and a much lower burst tank, if both are using 2 drone damage amps. Without Slaves they only have around 2/3 the EHP of one.

Did this change in the upcoming patch so that armor and shield caps and supers have roughly the same EHP without implants? Or are you just spouting nonsense?

He is right about the rr though and is even worse when you look at the fax none can fit very well without a load of fitting more or rigs and the shield ones got it the worst

Also carriers can't have a burst tank at all the local reps ate balanced around siege mods making them lack luster outside of siege.

But even if they did tank better the utter lack of space on a chimera is unacceptable

Ok, after some testing I found the source of a significant number of fighter balance issues. It seems that even though skills say they affect fighters, most don't work properly yet. For example, Light Fighters and Support Fighters only give 5% total bonuses to speed/durability despite saying 5% per level. Also Drone Durability, Drone Interfacing, Drone Navigation, and probably Drone Sharpshooting have no effect at all on fighters. That means once the skills actually have their advertised effects, fighters will have roughly 50% more damage and speed, and 25% more durability at max skills.

So, carriers are essentially going to die (both figuratively and literally) in current future fleet meta. Dreads will outgun them (both in terms of fitting guns and having a crap ton more dps) in in both subcap and capital engagements. Carriers are also now not only stripped of a role but also nerfed to **** when compared to dreads. CCP congrats on creating Dreads Online...

Time to unsub my carriers pilots or some how get them into supers or faxes... no use now (based on the stats listed) for even undocking these piece of sh**s.

Completely disappointed yet again in CCP...

Thanks for pointing that out.

On Tranq none of these skills say anything about affecting fighters, so this was specifically added for the capital rework. The most important skill that is missing is probably Drone Interfacing, which should give a 50% damage increase. Did you specifically test if this skills is affecting fighters? According do my calculations it isnt, but I never tested it.
When all these bugs are fixed, fighter stats my be actually decent.


As a side not:
The FSU bug seems to be fixed, it now actually decreases the time between shots.

The first 1.25 is from light fighters.

One more bug: just had a fighter stop responding.

It was stuck at "returning", while not moving and the missile swarm symbol blinking. any other move or attack command was ignored.

Not sure what caused this, the fighter was in the middle of the asteroid of a serpentis haven. Maybe it was because the missile command was given while an enemy exploded?

Try f1

There is a red line and a number fir the group

Mobility is already an issue and the missile salvos don't have a cool down just a cycle time like any mod


And the cool down is just to long on the fighters but it does not need to be eliminated

Thank you, i'll try it out on SISi tonight

Forgot to mention you need to make sure the fighters you ate commanding are selected (in the fighter ui) them f1-f3 will activate the corresponding ability

A new skill is being introduced called 'Light Fighters', this provides a 5% velocity bonus per level and is required for the operation of light fighters.

A new skill is being introduced called 'Support Fighters', this provides a 5% hitpoint bonus per level and is required for the operation of support fighters.

The fighters skill now provides a 5% damage bonus per level and is required for the operation of all fighters.

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All of these changes are on Sisi, and we'd appreciate you jumping on and helping to test them!
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