the ability needs to be stronger with an even higher cool down i think the idea is you dont want to be firing volly after volly

Fighter cost, volume etc are all wrong on sisi atm.

Generic PSA: Slack is a really good place for quick questions btw, the guys hanging out there are typically right up to date.

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that we do think the speed bonus equals the damage bonus.

The less than 200m/s speed difference between the fastest fighter and the slowest, is there a difference.

It is a little hard to tell as skills, ship bonuses and module effects aren't applied yet on SISI, so any guess is a good one.

As for the carriers and supers I am converting my carrier into a facs and cancelling my order for a hel as the new user interface is horrible and fighters are horrendously weak in terms of hp, although the dps from heavy bombers is immense. why not just let us continue with the old drone system its way better!

Btw I'm not saying the FACS are good there not really as these also have huge powergrid and cpu issues for example in order to fit a Lif (Minmatar FACS) to be a descent logi boat it required me fitting 2x reactor control units and 2 cpu's just to fit the ship which will tank 1 dread with ease but 2 would be too much in-spite of getting highest resists I could with capital shield booster and cap injector while having max skills. It can also be 1 shot off the field by any titan even though the conventional DD has had its damage reduced to a maximum of 1.5mil hp. NOT GOOD.

200m/s is quite significant when you're talking about numbers in the 780-970 range. Fighters are so slow that I can imagine quite a few situations where Einherjar/Templars are the only option because of their speed. The MWD is handy to get them in range of a target, but if the target manages to pull out of range again, damage means nothing.

Skills, ship bonuses, and module effects all work. There are some issues with certain modules not having stacking penalties like they should, but the effects work. The only thing that might not apply yet are the drone speed/durability/range rigs, but with the heavy CPU penalties I doubt many people would use them.

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Right now on SISI you can't interact with fighters other than to launch and recall them.

The less than 200m/s speed difference between the fastest fighter and the slowest, is there a difference.

It is a little hard to tell as skills, ship bonuses and module effects aren't applied yet on SISI, so any guess is a good one.
200m/s is quite significant when you're talking about numbers in the 780-970 range. Fighters are so slow that I can imagine quite a few situations where Einherjar/Templars are the only option because of their speed. The MWD is handy to get them in range of a target, but if the target manages to pull out of range again, damage means nothing.

Speaking of drone rigs - Related question. 1, Why is it capital shield booster uses 4 times the cpu as armor, yet armor carriers have more cpu than shield. 2, Why do local armor reps have such a stupidly long cycle time in a changing meta that could use to local reps.

And for the love of Bob, please seed deadspace and faction modules to SISI so we can at least fit a ship as we intend to use it. With a fittings being so tight having access to ore than T2 modules is pretty important..

No.
With FSU and a nav comp, all fighters go significantly above 1000 m/s. If you need an additional 20% speed increase just to keep up with the target, you are not going to do any damage anyway, because of the explosion speed.
The situations in which you use carriers against targets which you cant catch without that speed increase will be very very rare.
Usually the faster fighters will arrive just a little faster at the target. But they will spend much more time shooting the target than flying to the target, so the dps increase is much better.

Also:
Do you remember the discussion about the slot layout here? Low slots being more valueable then midslots etc.
No one said midslots are more valueable because of nav comps. Even when navcomps actually give a relatively larger bonus.

If you had the option to fit a free DDA without stecking penalty, or a free navcomp without stacking penalty, but only 2/3 effect, which one would you choose? Because that is quite exactly the difference between einherji and firbolgs.

Really? So CCP is handing out correct information to slack users only?

Sorry sweety but the guys on slack are guessing, just like the rest of us - NO-ONE knows - CCP don't know themselves yet. It is all - this is what is expected, this is what we think but it isn't working yet so it is all best guesses.

I dont think shield carriers is the problem, it seems to be mostly the nid that is CPU starved. And while i agree deadspace mods would be nice, a T2 fit should work also (or at least a mostly T2 fit) without having to use a faction cap mods just to be able to fit. I have made a post on the capital thread on the test server feedback forum showing that for a normal cap fit you could gain 200 tf of cpu with faction mods, which on under 1000 tf total seems a bit excessive.

I dont think shield carriers is the problem, it seems to be mostly the nid that is CPU starved. And while i agree deadspace mods would be nice, a T2 fit should work also (or at least a mostly T2 fit) without having to use a faction cap mods just to be able to fit. I have made a post on the capital thread on the test server feedback forum showing that for a normal cap fit you could gain 200 tf of cpu with faction mods, which on under 1000 tf total seems a bit excessive.

1) lock target 2) make sure locked target is selected 3) Activate a function button over a deployed fighter squad, such as Attack or MWD. Then fighters will move to the selected target.

Here's to hoping that shortcut keys like "F" will eventually work on squads, like it does for regular drones.

Yeah I was referring to a new ability - The one where you can place fighters at spots around a grid without targets. You know the one Devs have been telling us is so game changing.

CCP would you mind addressing our concerns re. the role of carriers in this upcoming expansion? Some of us feel that there's no reason to use them over supercarriers now that they're losing three of their main advantages (ability to use normal drones, ability to triage, and ability to dock).

Once you have a fighter squadron selected, try Q :)
You can also tell your fighters to orbit targets, keep at range, approach (all basic ship commands) with the standard rightclick menu, if you have them selected on the fighter HUD.

CCP would you mind addressing our concerns re. the role of carriers in this upcoming expansion? Some of us feel that there's no reason to use them over supercarriers now that they're losing three of their main advantages (ability to use normal drones, ability to triage, and ability to dock).

Carriers are much less expensive than supercarriers. They will cause damage for as long as they live in a battle, much like BC's can help a BS fleet, even though they are volleyed off the field in a battleship face-off. Let the guy bring a Drake, if that's all he can bring ;)

That said, I liked your idea of giving carriers a unique support role, by dis-allowing support fighters on supercarriers.

There are also T2 ships that could generally be considered better, for example there is hardly a reason to use a cruiser, if you could get a heavy assault cruiser for the same price. Or a frigate if you could also use an assault frigate.
But this usually comes from a huge increase in price (a vexor is ~10mio, an ishtar 170mio, so about a factor 17), a much higher skill requirement, for a moderate performance increase. An ishtar has roughly 2x the ehp of a vexor, and maybe 25% damage more (depending on how you fit of course.

Now the only thing of carrier vs supercarrier, that is comparable to ishtar vs vexor is the price. A carrier is maybe 1.2 billion, a supercarrier about 20 (not sure of the exact price), so 20/1.2=16.7, about the same factor.
But both have the same skill requirements, and the supercarrier is just much much better at everything.
A chimera has 68.000 shield, a wyvern has 500.000. A Wyvern has a 400% bonus to shield extenders. A wyvern has strong resistances to electronic warfare. The wyvern has 20% damage bonus. It can launch 3 heavy fighters, where each long range heavy squadron is about as strong as all 2-3 light squadrons from the chimera. Additionally it can also launch 2 light squads. And it can launch anti capital fighters which probably do an order of magntiude more damage than the light fighters (I didnt really test them).

This is completely out of proportion to the usually T2 bonus. Supercarrier should not be so much better at everything.

Once you have a fighter squadron selected, try Q :)
You can also tell your fighters to orbit targets, keep at range, approach (all basic ship commands) with the standard rightclick menu, if you have them selected on the fighter HUD.

Q is what M did before.

sending fighters to a certain point in space.

sending fighters to a certain point in space.

CCP would you mind addressing our concerns re. the role of carriers in this upcoming expansion? Some of us feel that there's no reason to use them over supercarriers now that they're losing three of their main advantages (ability to use normal drones, ability to triage, and ability to dock).

Wait a second what? I knew about the first two proposals but Carriers are losing their ability to dock?? What the hell.

Wait a second what? I knew about the first two proposals but Carriers are losing their ability to dock?? What the hell.

No, Supercarriers are gaining the ability to dock. Which means that Carriers are losing one unique advantage they had vis-a-vis Supercarriers. The argument is, now that you can dock a Supercarrier, why bother to fly a Carrier?