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Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2016.04.07 00:47:05 - [1] - Quote So the theme of the game is a universe. Realistically more of a star cluster. So where does the term World War fit in here? Seems someone has a hard time seeing anything beyond their backyard?
Paranoid Loyd 8827	Posted - 2016.04.07 00:51:11 - [2] - Quote sat-+ire -êsa-ît-½(+Ö)r/ noun the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 434	Posted - 2016.04.07 00:52:13 - [3] - Quote It sounds nicely? Given our RL history roots, I'd say it is quite apropriate. Can you come up with a better meme? Sneaky bastard.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2016.04.07 00:59:56 - [4] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: sat-+ire -êsa-ît-½(+Ö)r/ noun the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues Maybe narrow minded. Kinda like coloring a space ship desert camouflage. Really brings out the cold expanse of the universe doesn't it.
Salt Foambreaker Greedy Pirates 19	Posted - 2016.04.07 01:05:05 - [5] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: It sounds nicely? Given our RL history roots, I'd say it is quite apropriate. Can you come up with a better meme? Gee um... um... this is a tough one... Galactic War Bee?
Andrew Urbina Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 1	Posted - 2016.04.07 03:26:12 - [6] - Quote Intergalatic Bee Mining Coalition
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 10154	Posted - 2016.04.07 04:21:48 - [7] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Seems someone has a hard time seeing anything beyond their backyard? I'm calling cruel irony on that one. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 410	Posted - 2016.04.07 04:53:05 - [8] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: So the theme of the game is a universe. Realistically more of a star cluster. So where does the term World War fit in here? Seems someone has a hard time seeing anything beyond their backyard? if this is badly affecting you, lol, just take a break. Just Add Water
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2604	Posted - 2016.04.07 06:47:11 - [9] - Quote guys, why are they even called bee's we dont have bee's in space FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 157	Posted - 2016.04.07 07:19:28 - [10] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: sat-+ire -êsa-ît-½(+Ö)r/ noun the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues Maybe narrow minded. Kinda like coloring a space ship desert camouflage. Really brings out the cold expanse of the universe doesn't it. Eve isn't real.

Aluanna Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2016.04.07 07:46:11 - [11] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: sat-+ire -êsa-ît-½(+Ö)r/ noun the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues Maybe narrow minded. Kinda like coloring a space ship desert camouflage. Really brings out the cold expanse of the universe doesn't it. Eve isn't real. Nor are you, and since you aren't real, your opinion isn't real ;) Ideas for missile launchers to make firing missiles more interesting/rewarding
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1722	Posted - 2016.04.07 08:00:09 - [12] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: Given our RL history roots, I'd say it is quite apropriate. In think in RL 'World War' have different meaning. 1st WW was between european countries for colonies over the world. It includes Africa, Asia, maybe some islands in seas. Not sure about Americas. 2nd WW involved Europe, Japan, battles in Africa, USA, battles in Pacific Ocean islands, etc... Eve Online: the war happens (by Mittani words) between sovless alliances and sov-holding coalition in the North of the map. It is not 100% true but has some merits. The war is not about taking space. MBC version: this war is about destroying goons. Again: no relation to the whole World. I'm not sure that currently EVe Online will see big changes should goons disappear tomorrow. Add here that many players just come there for kills and many groups do not even participate. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 435	Posted - 2016.04.07 09:36:18 - [13] - Quote It just popped on me why I like the sound of it: I quite liked Wolrd War Z, both book and movie. It has a nice rythm. I don't care about roots or RL relatonship with the meme, I just like it. Sneaky bastard.
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 183	Posted - 2016.04.07 12:12:48 - [14] - Quote There are multiple inhabited worlds in New Eden, and those that are located in Nullsec (including planetside colonies and planetary industry compounds (a.k.a. PI Command Centers)) are managed and maintained by the Sovereign System, which itself is supported by the ownership of the Fluid Router Array (iHub) that allows FTL Communications between those Nullsec systems and the rest of the Cluster. This is how CONCORD keeps track of who owns what in EVE. This war is indeed a World War in the context of New Eden, since it is a war for the control of the worlds kept by the Imperium and their allies. A purge if you will, of all Imperium. The Bee part is due to the common heraldic association of the "Fat Bee" cartoon with the Goonswarm Federation and their allies of the Imperium. Hence the name. I mean, really, unless you ignore the certain liberties taken on how the culture of the EVE players and the game lore intertwine, you are going to have a hard time. No other MMO comes close to how much power we have as players over the lore and general story of this game, and that comes at the cost of having dank memes and propaganda be part of our EVE history.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2607	Posted - 2016.04.07 12:18:15 - [15] - Quote they also refer to "North"... there is no "North" in space... plot twist: its all political FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13859	Posted - 2016.04.07 12:31:29 - [16] - Quote This thread is the reason normal folks think that those of us who play games are both crazy and stupid lol. The name is just a silly play on the phrase "World War 3" (in the same way the movie/book World War Z did it) because Goons use a bee for their logo. It's all in good fun because the Goons are at the center of this war. If the name is bothering you, you got way more problems than a video game war.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 70	Posted - 2016.04.07 12:55:44 - [17] - Quote Memes aren't created! They're born!
Speedkermit Damo Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 486	Posted - 2016.04.07 13:50:06 - [18] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: So the theme of the game is a universe. Realistically more of a star cluster. So where does the term World War fit in here? Seems someone has a hard time seeing anything beyond their backyard? It makes Mittens salty, which is good enough for me. Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 712	Posted - 2016.04.07 14:08:10 - [19] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This thread is the reason normal folks think that those of us who play games are both crazy and stupid lol. The name is just a silly play on the phrase "World War 3" (in the same way the movie/book World War Z did it) because Goons use a bee for their logo. It's all in good fun because the Goons are at the center of this war. If the name is bothering you, you got way more problems than a video game war. Basically this. Ironically iirc its actually also possibly the 3rd great war in eves history where the ruling "class" was usurped in some sense of the word by the united new eden citizenry. It also has a nice ring to it and so humanity tends to memorize and remember things that come naturally to the mind or the tongue. Personally I love it. Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2297	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:00:58 - [20] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Eve isn't real. YOU SHUT UP, YOU SHUT UP RIGHT NOW! sob Space pants! Begin transmission. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.

Jacques d'Orleans Bergmann Industries Bergmann Federation 2751	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:17:26 - [21] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: So the theme of the game is a universe. Realistically more of a star cluster. So where does the term World War fit in here? Seems someone has a hard time seeing anything beyond their backyard? world, noun: a, The Earth: The GÇïEarth and all the GÇïpeople, GÇïplaces, and things on it b, Group or area: A GÇïgroup of things such as GÇïcountries or GÇïanimals, or an GÇïarea of GÇïhuman GÇïactivity or GÇïunderstanding c, Planet/ Universe: A GÇïplanet or other GÇïpart of the GÇïuniverse, GÇïespecially one where GÇïlife might or does GÇïexist The world the capsuleers live in is called New Eden, so World War Bee (named after the fat insect of one of the participants) fits it quite exact. The beginning of the End Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 902	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:23:39 - [22] - Quote What Jack says - to a degree at least. My issue with this is not so much the "world" part, but the "bee" part. It implies it's all about Goonswarm Federation when it's not. Would be the same as calling it "World War Bastion", "World War Northerncoalitiondotte" or calling the Second World War "World War Japan". Calling it "World War Monkey" would be more accurate than this. I understand it's a wordplay, and I am kind of fine with this (it's better than "The Easter War" in any case), but it's also disrespectful and inaccurate.
Jacques d'Orleans Bergmann Industries Bergmann Federation 2751	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:45:17 - [23] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: What Jack says - to a degree at least. My issue with this is not so much the "world" part, but the "bee" part. It implies it's all about Goonswarm Federation when it's not. Would be the same as calling it "World War Bastion", "World War Northerncoalitiondotte" or calling the Second World War "World War Japan". Calling it "World War Monkey" would be more accurate than this. I understand it's a wordplay, and I am kind of fine with this (it's better than "The Easter War" in any case), but it's also disrespectful and inaccurate. Name ist Schall und Rauch, Goethe - Faust Neuntausend, names of wars change as time goes on (remember the "war to end all wars") as people and historians reevaluate what occurred, and they continue to shape our perceptions of those events. Same will be with the "World War Bee". Imho, they named it not with a disrespectful meaning, imho "World War Bee" was meant to be a superlative. The beginning of the End Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 468	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:23:22 - [24] - Quote My problem with it is that it sounds rubbish. It isn't very sci-fi, more like some kiddy WOW type name. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 737	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:35:28 - [25] - Quote Its a cool name. Fits the theme of a "Great War" in EVE's history. Works well as a hashtag. Isn't what goons want it called, apparently because they didn't think of it first? Pretty straightforward.
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 468	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:38:10 - [26] - Quote It is cool if you are a 12 year old kiddie. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Loucxious Leopold Dredge Nation Solyaris Chtonium 1	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:44:07 - [27] - Quote Alright, how about "Goonerdaemerung," twilight of the bees.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 7981	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:49:11 - [28] - Quote 12 year olds would probably try making up some pompous name, like they would try to sound adult. We can just drop this manner, as we know we are here to have fun, not to be an adult. That is escapism. Basically everything with word bee that have some connotation to a conflict would pass. Like for example Bees knees massacre. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Hra Neuvosto FinFleet Northern Coalition. 372	Posted - 2016.04.07 16:52:14 - [29] - Quote How about "That Bee War"?
Seven Koskanaiken FinFleet Northern Coalition. 1719	Posted - 2016.04.07 17:16:35 - [30] - Quote All the other names were tryhard snoozers that nobody liked.

Jacques d'Orleans Bergmann Industries Bergmann Federation 2752	Posted - 2016.04.07 17:40:23 - [31] - Quote Loucxious Leopold wrote: Alright, how about "Goonerdaemerung," twilight of the bees. It's not over till the fat lady sings. The beginning of the End Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5941	Posted - 2016.04.07 18:18:18 - [32] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: guys, why are they even called bee's we dont have bee's in space In space, no one can hear you buzz. If we can fit helmets on chickens, then surely we can manage that for the bees too.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1067	Posted - 2016.04.07 18:55:32 - [33] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: What Jack says - to a degree at least. My issue with this is not so much the "world" part, but the "bee" part. It implies it's all about Goonswarm Federation when it's not. Would be the same as calling it "World War Bastion", "World War Northerncoalitiondotte" or calling the Second World War "World War Japan". Calling it "World War Monkey" would be more accurate than this. I understand it's a wordplay, and I am kind of fine with this (it's better than "The Easter War" in any case), but it's also disrespectful and inaccurate. GSF is the only group that pretends their pets aren't just pets. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2298	Posted - 2016.04.07 19:56:45 - [34] - Quote "The Mercenary War", whilst perhaps technically correct, doesn't really have much pizazz to it. (plus, nothing wrong with being a mercenary in EvE anyway, eh?) "Easter War" also sounds a bit *meh, imo (leaving aside silly mental images of killer rabbits throwing pastel-coloured eggs at each other) I suppose "The War of Northern Aggression is right out y'all? Space pants! Begin transmission. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7430	Posted - 2016.04.07 19:58:08 - [35] - Quote I think the title is a play on words. "Bee" for goons, that's a given. But it sounds like the popular "World War Z" series as well. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dani Gallar University of Caille Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:39:00 - [36] - Quote I think the Northern War/War of the North would have been fine. Kind of dull I guess but it would have been on the point which World War Bee is not.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems 60	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:41:58 - [37] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I think the title is a play on words. "Bee" for goons, that's a given. But it sounds like the popular "World War Z" series as well. I guess you haven't heard about the World War II which 2 as a number in alphanumeric (or ancient Greek numeric system) is B.
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 468	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:59:08 - [38] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: "The Mercenary War", whilst perhaps technically correct, doesn't really have much pizazz to it. (plus, nothing wrong with being a mercenary in EvE anyway, eh?) "Easter War" also sounds a bit meh, imo (leaving aside silly mental images of killer rabbits throwing pastel-coloured eggs at each other) I suppose "The War of Northern Aggression is right out y'all? The best I've heard so far is The Mercenary War. Although now it has turned into more of a general uprising fuelled by hatred despite mercenaries still playing a large role. For now something like Northern War, or perhaps War of the Betrayer considering how big a role the turning of CO2 played in the events. In the end history will probably name this war based upon how it turns out. Modulated ECM Effects* An Alternative to Skill Trading
Mario Putzo 1571	Posted - 2016.04.07 21:37:34 - [39] - Quote Moac Tor wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: "The Mercenary War", whilst perhaps technically correct, doesn't really have much pizazz to it. (plus, nothing wrong with being a mercenary in EvE anyway, eh?) "Easter War" also sounds a bit *meh, imo (leaving aside silly mental images of killer rabbits throwing pastel-coloured eggs at each other) I suppose "The War of Northern Aggression is right out y'all? The best I've heard so far is The Mercenary War. Although now it has turned into more of a general uprising fuelled by hatred despite mercenaries still playing a large role. For now something like Northern War, or perhaps War of the Betrayer considering how big a role the turning of CO2 played in the events. In the end history will probably name this war based upon how it turns out. The Drowning of the Bees Beemagedon War of Colony Collapse Disorder The Bee Hive Helldunk The Neonicotinoid War
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 141	Posted - 2016.04.07 23:08:14 - [40] - Quote OOoooOOOOoo! I'll play! Chaosmageddon (it's what happens when Unstoppable Chaos meets Immovable Chaos!) The War of the Flies (What's with all the buzzing?) The Schrodinger's Monkey War (If you don't open the box, you won't know which way it ended up!) The "Does this War Make My A## Look Big?" Vanity War Rise and Fall of the Nerd Reich (Works for whomever wins or loses) ... eh could go on but they get raunchier from there... Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by

Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 436	Posted - 2016.04.07 23:28:05 - [41] - Quote It is 'WWBee' because we all know that Imperium membership is under the Goons' thumb anyway, thus making all of them only marginally relevant anyway. Sneaky bastard.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 158	Posted - 2016.04.08 01:05:48 - [42] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: ...that Imperium membership is under the Goons' thumb anyway, ... Sorry who? I think you mean, that Emporium membership is under the thumbs of those bee guys anyway...
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 438	Posted - 2016.04.08 01:39:57 - [43] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Starrakatt wrote: ...that Imperium membership is under the Goons' thumb anyway, ... Sorry who? I think you mean, that Emporium membership is under the thumbs of those bee guys anyway... Pray forgive my bad engrish, it is not my native language. Sneaky bastard.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 575	Posted - 2016.04.08 01:56:31 - [44] - Quote Moac Tor wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: "The Mercenary War", whilst perhaps technically correct, doesn't really have much pizazz to it. (plus, nothing wrong with being a mercenary in EvE anyway, eh?) "Easter War" also sounds a bit *meh, imo (leaving aside silly mental images of killer rabbits throwing pastel-coloured eggs at each other) I suppose "The War of Northern Aggression is right out y'all? The best I've heard so far is The Mercenary War. Although now it has turned into more of a general uprising fuelled by hatred despite mercenaries still playing a large role. For now something like Northern War, or perhaps War of the Betrayer considering how big a role the turning of CO2 played in the events. In the end history will probably name this war based upon how it turns out. CFC were losing before CO2 switched. Yes it accelerated their losses and put their morale into freefall but you can't really say the war was going well before that. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2016.04.08 04:55:03 - [45] - Quote Rinai Vero wrote: Its a cool name. Fits the theme of a "Great War" in EVE's history. Works well as a hashtag. Isn't what goons want it called, apparently because they didn't think of it first? Pretty straightforward. Yea, "World War" as in reference to World War 1 and World War 2. I can see the similarities, oh no wait, where is the world. Oh, in case this eludes you, world in this context refers to a war on a planetary scale.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2016.04.08 05:05:31 - [46] - Quote Moac Tor wrote: In the end history will probably name this war based upon how it turns out. Butt Hurt Bees it is then.
Mario Putzo 1572	Posted - 2016.04.08 05:25:26 - [47] - Quote Paging Lucas Kell. How does it feel to lose Kyle, Zack, and Ivory all in the same evening. RIP SMA.
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 23	Posted - 2016.04.08 08:47:20 - [48] - Quote World war Bee is a cool name because it mentions a big War (World War) and gives it a weird turn (Bee) not to mention that bee rhymes on three. These are the names that stay. Not because they are accurate but because they cling to the brain cells because they are weired. Take any advertisment you remember and think about WHY you remember this one out of 10.000+. Its the same reason.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 707	Posted - 2016.04.08 15:08:33 - [49] - Quote We sh*t on you and your labels. Also, that invasion... please sirs, can we have some more? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 974	Posted - 2016.04.08 15:21:43 - [50] - Quote It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Sonia Reve Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2016.04.08 15:37:18 - [51] - Quote I'm not certain about the war, but GSF could rename their capital ChernoBeel. Looks like it will end up like the original soon anyway.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7451	Posted - 2016.04.08 15:49:05 - [52] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Paging Lucas Kell. How does it feel to lose Kyle, Zack, and Ivory all in the same evening. RIP SMA. I'm gonna go with "All right", yup, I feel all right with losing Kyle, Zack and Ivory all in the same evening. If I'm being completely honest I thought Ivory had already left a while back . I don't think it will be the end of SMA, I'm sure we'll plod on and recover. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1071	Posted - 2016.04.08 16:10:58 - [53] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty. Well the weak are certainly being culled right now. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 974	Posted - 2016.04.08 16:45:44 - [54] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty. Well the weak are certainly being culled right now. http://i.imgur.com/iGOgwTB.jpg The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2298	Posted - 2016.04.08 18:38:50 - [55] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Aiwha wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty. Well the weak are certainly being culled right now. http://i.imgur.com/iGOgwTB.jpg Are you saying your allies are low-hanging fruit? Well...ok...you said it not me... Space pants! Begin transmission. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.11 18:14:21 - [56] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Paging Lucas Kell. How does it feel to lose Kyle, Zack, and Ivory all in the same evening. RIP SMA. I'm gonna go with "All right", yup, I feel all right with losing Kyle, Zack and Ivory all in the same evening. If I'm being completely honest I thought Ivory had already left a while back . I don't think it will be the end of SMA, I'm sure we'll plod on and recover. You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.11 18:16:03 - [57] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: Aiwha wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: It's so unfair. All we wanted to do was rent out low sec and cull the weak. Hopefully history will remember us as the benevolent overlords we were. Toppled by peasant hordes out of jealousy for our wealth and beauty. Well the weak are certainly being culled right now. http://i.imgur.com/iGOgwTB.jpg Are you saying your allies are low-hanging fruit? Well...ok...you said it not me... They prefer the term meat shield. When your usefulness is done, well look at the Space Monkeys among others. They just don't make good meat shields anymore. "i think sma and tnt are finally on the verge of widotting" "GÇª.tnt is secure culturally but likely to widot, **** sma, razor is ??? vOv, fcon is ??? vOv" "the pressure is working. there's a nonzero possibility that fcon completely implodes over losing branch" "that's why i took tib aside and told him about the megaalliance strategy on mumble earlier"
CBBOMBERMAN Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels 19	Posted - 2016.04.11 18:21:21 - [58] - Quote You are right... It should be called World War Bee Tears cos really its tears after tears from the CFC these days. High sec noobs that get ganked all the time cry less than you guys do. Pathetic.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7467	Posted - 2016.04.11 18:44:10 - [59] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though. Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jacques d'Orleans 2760	Posted - 2016.04.11 19:01:09 - [60] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though. Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA That might be, but if you're continue losing members in that rapid numbers, you'll have less members than MoA about 9pm tomorrow. The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!

Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.11 19:38:15 - [61] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though. Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA Maybe you should check dotlan. 999 fled last 7 days. Oh yea, that's why there is no one in alliance chat. Flee flee, run for your lives.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.11 19:42:21 - [62] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though. Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA That might be, but if you're continue losing members in that rapid numbers, you'll have less members than MoA about 9pm tomorrow. Anyone left now hasn't been subscribed for months. Well, there is one. It's why goons want to bring over corps into GSF. It gives them the unsubscribed numbers for better propaganda.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7467	Posted - 2016.04.11 19:59:32 - [63] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: That might be, but if you're continue losing members in that rapid numbers, you'll have less members than MoA about 9pm tomorrow. Sure enough, we're gonna lose numbers, it's happens. At no point will we be as bad as MoA though. Arsine, shh now, you have no idea what you are talking about. Let me guess, you got ganked one time in Niarja? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1081	Posted - 2016.04.11 21:13:26 - [64] - Quote The only thing SMA does better than MoA is suck and die. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7467	Posted - 2016.04.11 21:29:43 - [65] - Quote Aiwha wrote: The only thing SMA does better than MoA is suck and die. Geez, no need to be so mad. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
knobber Jobbler Bat Country Pandemic Legion 598	Posted - 2016.04.11 21:41:22 - [66] - Quote Aiwha wrote: The only thing SMA does better than MoA is suck and die. SMA leadership made some poor choices and now it's clear Goons never intended to help them. They'll never be MOA tier.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1081	Posted - 2016.04.11 21:52:09 - [67] - Quote They picked the CFC, who bled them dry, and is now sending them off to die in the ass end of the universe. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6610	Posted - 2016.04.11 22:18:15 - [68] - Quote Aiwha wrote: They picked the CFC, who bled them dry, and is now sending them off to die in the ass end of the universe. Yeah I mean look how powerful & awesome & wanted as an ally SMA were before they joined the CFC. At least they're very slightly less of a joke all these years later. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6610	Posted - 2016.04.11 22:19:45 - [69] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Aiwha wrote: The only thing SMA does better than MoA is suck and die. Geez, no need to be so mad. He makes a good point actually. Remember this is the same alliance that not too many years ago decided the best way to get their hands on a capital fleet was to send PLEX to the CEO so he could fly them to Jita in a Kestrel. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Kinis Deren StarHunt Mordus Angels 477	Posted - 2016.04.11 22:22:46 - [70] - Quote Hey Lucas, how's that ORE LP working out for you? IWI sends his regards. #WorldWarBee

Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.11 23:40:25 - [71] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jacques d'Orleans wrote: That might be, but if you're continue losing members in that rapid numbers, you'll have less members than MoA about 9pm tomorrow. Sure enough, we're gonna lose numbers, it's happens. At no point will we be as bad as MoA though. Arsine, shh now, you have no idea what you are talking about. Let me guess, you got ganked one time in Niarja? From someone that sucks the butt of the lowest life form in the game.
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2016.04.12 00:00:59 - [72] - Quote Andrew Urbina wrote: Intergalatic Bee Mining Coalition Wait.. They mine bees? Like collect honey? Like honey badgers or something?...
Aaron Honk Distributed Denial of Service 92	Posted - 2016.04.12 02:46:47 - [73] - Quote People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game.
Jacques d'Orleans 2761	Posted - 2016.04.12 02:57:39 - [74] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jacques d'Orleans wrote: That might be, but if you're continue losing members in that rapid numbers, you'll have less members than MoA about 9pm tomorrow. Sure enough, we're gonna lose numbers, it's happens. At no point will we be as bad as MoA though. Arsine, shh now, you have no idea what you are talking about. Let me guess, you got ganked one time in Niarja? IMHO, there is only one way to safe SMA from fading away into obscurity and that is to severe all ties to the Goons! Mitler doesn't give a shyte about you, they sent you to the Outer Ring to die, simple as that! It's better to die making a last stand fighting with the allies against the Emporium than fade away and only be remembered as the meatshield the Goons looked down and laughed at. Mitler and his cronies never gave a shyte about their "valued allies", why should you give a shyte about them! Show the EVE community that SMA is more than incompetent retards like Winet. Don't just die in the Outer Ring, join the fight against Mitler and his turd reich and become an asset to the community! Get rid of the old and cancerous that plagued SMA for to long and forge a new SMA! The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.12 03:27:53 - [75] - Quote Aaron Honk wrote: People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game. A game, seems he doesn't even log into, but "Controls" all his ret@rds that follow. You really have to be a loser to be involved in that. He thinks they are all stupid, but then, umm.
Jacques d'Orleans 2761	Posted - 2016.04.12 04:11:21 - [76] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Aaron Honk wrote: People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game. A game, seems he doesn't even log into, but "Controls" all his ret@rds that follow. You really have to be a loser to be involved in that. He thinks they are all stupid, but then, umm. It's spelled retards! All that Mittani crap could have been easily avoided when CCP would have perma banned that lil poopstain after his 2012 Fanfest stunt! The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Yun Kuai Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 299	Posted - 2016.04.12 04:30:57 - [77] - Quote I was going to start my own thread but it seemed more fitting to post this here because reasons: World War Bee! --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::-------
PAPULA Black Aces I N F A M O U S 88	Posted - 2016.04.12 04:33:49 - [78] - Quote Bee with cigarette ? http://orig08.deviantart.net/854e/f/2014/031/6/5/cigarette_smoking_bee_by_allasca-d74j37r.jpg
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2304	Posted - 2016.04.12 05:43:28 - [79] - Quote Aaron Honk wrote: People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game. Couldn't seem to find that...care to elaborate? EvE security zones in picture Space pants! Begin transmission. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1084	Posted - 2016.04.12 05:56:43 - [80] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Aaron Honk wrote: People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game. Couldn't seem to find that...care to elaborate? SHould still be up on reddit, I'm not going to link it because it does contain email communications with CCP Manifest. tl;dr Mittani is threatening CCP staff with negative press over the bee backgrounds and the name of the war. Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Jacques d'Orleans 2761	Posted - 2016.04.12 07:13:30 - [81] - Quote Aiwha wrote: tl;dr Mittani is threatening CCP staff with negative press over the bee backgrounds and the name of the war. Where I live we call that "delusions of grandeur"! The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 975	Posted - 2016.04.12 07:51:56 - [82] - Quote It's actually a misnomer. Weedotting(verb) an Alliance means turning them into badposters. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1086	Posted - 2016.04.12 08:15:25 - [83] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: It's actually a misnomer. Weedotting(verb) an Alliance means turning them into badposters. That implies they weren't badposters to begin with. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7468	Posted - 2016.04.12 09:30:29 - [84] - Quote Kinis Deren wrote: Hey Lucas, how's that ORE LP working out for you? IWI sends his regards. #WorldWarBee Mate, do a little bit of research before trying to be all smug. I make almost all of my isk (and that's a lot - if I liquidated it and bought plex for subs I'd die of natural causes before my sub runs out) doing industry and trade in highsec because it's ludicrously unbalanced, making nearly none in nullsec, so where we live is completely irrelevant to me. Outer ring is actually good because the logistics make it cheaper and mean I can haul directly with NPC alts. The funny thing is, this war has in fact increased my income pretty heavily, especially with 1ronbank "teaching us a lesson" by buying out all my overpriced machariels in Jita. Not all of us are so poor that we need to beg Gevlon to replace the cormorant fleets we welp. Jacques d'Orleans wrote: IMHO, there is only one way to safe SMA from fading away into obscurity and that is to severe all ties to the Goons! Mitler doesn't give a shyte about you, they sent you to the Outer Ring to die, simple as that! It's better to die making a last stand fighting with the allies against the Emporium than fade away and only be remembered as the meatshield the Goons looked down and laughed at. Mitler and his cronies never gave a shyte about their "valued allies", why should you give a shyte about them! Show the EVE community that SMA is more than incompetent retards like Winet. Don't just die in the Outer Ring, join the fight against Mitler and his turd reich and become an asset to the community! Get rid of the old and cancerous that plagued SMA for to long and forge a new SMA! No thanks bro, I think I'll just fade away into obscurity. You guys are constantly telling us that Mittens doesn't care about us, etc, like suddenly we're going to break down in tears because the leader of a group we were allied with for mutual benefit doesn't put our survival before his own? It makes no sense. We were in the Imperium because we like the players and we benefited from the infrastructure. Now things have changed, we've suffered a loss and we need to rebuild independently, so we will. At no point has any of it been about Mittens caring about us. I think the issue comes down to you believing the propaganda that we're pets, that we exist solely to assist goons, so getting a pat on the head and a cookie is what we strive to achieve. When you look at it from reality though, that our membership of the Imperium was primarily based on our our own self-interest, those ideas you push about look rather ridiculous. And believe me if I had to choose between siding with goons and siding with the summer kids from reddit, goons win hands down. "Dank memes" don't really interest me much. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 213	Posted - 2016.04.12 09:38:02 - [85] - Quote Yun Kuai wrote: I was going to start my own thread but it seemed more fitting to post this here because reasons: World War Bee! "multi-dollar media empire" Oh, my sides! > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 213	Posted - 2016.04.12 09:55:21 - [86] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You guys are constantly telling us that Mittens doesn't care about us, etc, like suddenly we're going to break down in tears because the leader of a group we were allied with for mutual benefit doesn't put our survival before his own? It makes no sense. We were in the Imperium because we like the players and we benefited from the infrastructure. Now things have changed, we've suffered a loss and we need to rebuild independently, so we will. At no point has any of it been about Mittens caring about us. I think the issue comes down to you believing the propaganda that we're pets, that we exist solely to assist goons, so getting a pat on the head and a cookie is what we strive to achieve. When you look at it from reality though, that our membership of the Imperium was primarily based on our our own self-interest, those ideas you push about look rather ridiculous. Dude, please. Unless you're Widget's alt or Widget's husband -- which could be true, absolutely -- you have no more way of knowing what the directorate of SMA thought about the Goons than any other line member, including me. And the vast majority of SMA didn't think about the Goons like that. And if you do have special insight into what goes on in the minds of those at the very top, and what you've just described is that, then I'm going to call you all out right here and now for being cowards and hypocrites for keeping the Goons blued after "leaving" the Imperium. Lucas Kell wrote: And believe me if I had to choose between siding with goons and siding with the summer kids from reddit, goons win hands down. "Dank memes" don't really interest me much. Nor me. About the "dank memes" that is. I'm nearly 50 -- half of what these youngsters say is cute; the other 25% is image macros made up on the spot, the other 25% may or may not be true memes. "Dank" is a word that we used to describe musty basements or exceptionally good buds of weed. That's why I didn't flip sides on the spot. I did so after over a month of handwringing after leaving SMA. When I finally joined Horde, it wasn't because of "dank memes." It was because I decided I like what they do -- helping out newbeans -- and because I finally decided I agreed with the cause. It's not as shallow as you're trying to make it. > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Jacques d'Orleans 2762	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:09:13 - [87] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: No thanks bro, I think I'll just fade away into obscurity. You guys are constantly telling us that Mittens doesn't care about us, etc, like suddenly we're going to break down in tears because the leader of a group we were allied with for mutual benefit doesn't put our survival before his own? It makes no sense. We were in the Imperium because we like the players and we benefited from the infrastructure. Now things have changed, we've suffered a loss and we need to rebuild independently, so we will. At no point has any of it been about Mittens caring about us. I think the issue comes down to you believing the propaganda that we're pets, that we exist solely to assist goons, so getting a pat on the head and a cookie is what we strive to achieve. When you look at it from reality though, that our membership of the Imperium was primarily based on our our own self-interest, those ideas you push about look rather ridiculous. And believe me if I had to choose between siding with goons and siding with the summer kids from reddit, goons win hands down. "Dank memes" don't really interest me much. I'm 51 and I don't give a shyte about reddit and "dank memes". Everyone outside the goons could see how much beloved great leader Mitler and his turds gave about SMA, TNT, FCON and so on and it's less than zero. For them you're not even pets, your just some arseholes to laugh at. Lucas, i think with your devotion to the CRC you'll pretty much alone inside SMA right now, otoh you could join one of the Coprs which left SMA for Goons. Anyways, you'll find a new place, i'm sure about that. Fly safe mate. o7 The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7468	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:24:53 - [88] - Quote Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Dude, please. Unless you're Widget's alt or Widget's husband -- which could be true, absolutely -- you have no more way of knowing what the directorate of SMA thought about the Goons than any other line member, including me. And the vast majority of SMA didn't think about the Goons like that. And if you do have special insight into what goes on in the minds of those at the very top, and what you've just described is that, then I'm going to call you all out right here and now for being cowards and hypocrites for keeping the Goons blued after "leaving" the Imperium. The vast majority didn't think of them like what? That we were allied with them for mutual benefit? Quite honestly, I'm not sure what you've taken from that post, but I'm fairly sure you've either misread or misunderstood it. Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Nor me. About the "dank memes" that is. I'm nearly 50 -- half of what these youngsters say is cute; the other 25% is image macros made up on the spot, the other 25% may or may not be true memes. "Dank" is a word that we used to describe musty basements or exceptionally good buds of weed. That's why I didn't flip sides on the spot. I did so after over a month of handwringing after leaving SMA. When I finally joined Horde, it wasn't because of "dank memes." It was because I decided I like what they do -- helping out newbeans -- and because I finally decided I agreed with the cause. It's not as shallow as you're trying to make it. And yet most of the anti-Imperium guys spend 99% of their time posting them. If I flipped sides I'd have to block half of my allies so I didn't have to see that. I'd much rather go down in flames with the players I have played with for years than flip sides to hang out with the reddit crew. And mate, horde are PLs defense wing. You're a PL meatshield. Having no entry requirement or basic security does mean you get a lot of new players but it doesn't mean you are helping them out. It's the zero effort way of padding your numbers. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7468	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:27:54 - [89] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: I'm 51 and I don't give a shyte about reddit and "dank memes". Everyone outside the goons could see how much beloved great leader Mitler and his turds gave about SMA, TNT, FCON and so on and it's less than zero. For them you're not even pets, your just some arseholes to laugh at. Lucas, i think with your devotion to the CRC you'll pretty much alone inside SMA right now, otoh you could join one of the Coprs which left SMA for Goons. Anyways, you'll find a new place, i'm sure about that. Fly safe mate. o7 ROFL. You don't give a "shyte" about reddit or dank memes yet you like them refuse to give up the CFC (or CRC?) name, and most amusingly called Mittani "Mitler". If you are 51, you should definitely have grown past schoolyard behaviour by now The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jacques d'Orleans 2763	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:39:22 - [90] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jacques d'Orleans wrote: I'm 51 and I don't give a shyte about reddit and "dank memes". Everyone outside the goons could see how much beloved great leader Mitler and his turds gave about SMA, TNT, FCON and so on and it's less than zero. For them you're not even pets, your just some arseholes to laugh at. Lucas, i think with your devotion to the CRC you'll pretty much alone inside SMA right now, otoh you could join one of the Coprs which left SMA for Goons. Anyways, you'll find a new place, i'm sure about that. Fly safe mate. o7 ROFL. You don't give a "shyte" about reddit or dank memes yet you like them refuse to give up the CFC (or CRC?) name, and most amusingly called Mittani "Mitler". If you are 51, you should definitely have grown past schoolyard behaviour by now Imperium = CFC= Imperium, where's the difference? You can name shyte also poop, schei+ƒe, ****, excrement, dung and so on and so forth, it still has a brown consistency and stinks. Well i would call him other names too, but that would get me banned from the forum, so Mitler is the least for that lil poopstain. The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7468	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:44:34 - [91] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Imperium = CFC= Imperium, where's the difference? You can name shyte also poop, schei+ƒe, ***, excrement, dung and so on and so forth, it still has a brown consistency and stinks. Well i would call him other names too, but that would get me banned from the forum, so Mitler is the least for that lil poopstain. At this point are you every trying* to maintain the appearance of your maturity? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 214	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:50:43 - [92] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: And mate, horde are PLs defense wing. You're a PL meatshield. Having no entry requirement or basic security does mean you get a lot of new players but it doesn't mean you are helping them out. It's the zero effort way of padding your numbers. Horde is just fun, plain old fun, and yes, new players get excellent training. Run your mouth off all you want about PL (it's probably unwise to do so but whatever) but I really don't think that they need a bunch of newbeans to meatshield for them. They don't even use us that way. We have our own deployments and our own ops. > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7468	Posted - 2016.04.12 10:59:24 - [93] - Quote Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Horde is just fun, plain old fun, and yes, new players get excellent training. Run your mouth off all you want about PL (it's probably unwise to do so but whatever) but I really don't think that they need a bunch of newbeans to meatshield for them. They don't even use us that way. We have our own deployments and our own ops. Sure you do, right up until PL need you to take a hit. It's funny that you seem to think of Imperium alliances as meatshield but can't see the exact same relationship with PL and PH. What exactly will PL do if I run my mouth? Sic their pets on me? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jacques d'Orleans 2763	Posted - 2016.04.12 11:06:37 - [94] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Imperium = CFC= Imperium, where's the difference? You can name shyte also poop, schei+ƒe, ***, excrement, dung and so on and so forth, it still has a brown consistency and stinks. Well i would call him other names too, but that would get me banned from the forum, so Mitler is the least for that lil poopstain. At this point are you every trying* to maintain the appearance of your maturity? You didn't answer my question. Imperium=CFC=Imperium where is the difference? Renaming the CFC just because the PR guys from H1Z1 and Planetside 2 thought it wasn't a good name for marketing purposes, maybe? Or simple delusions of grandeur, maybe? The problem with Imperiums is that they come and go when their enemies become to strong, the Imperium Romanum is a parade example for that. The Imperium Romanum became lazy and fat and couldn't even defend their homeland anymore, and one fine day, oops surprise, the Goths captured Rome. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? The beginning of the End Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
Bleedingthrough 200	Posted - 2016.04.12 11:19:26 - [95] - Quote I'd call that thing Colony Collapse Disorder because the Inferium is losing colonies left and right.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7469	Posted - 2016.04.12 11:23:18 - [96] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: You didn't answer my question. Imperium=CFC=Imperium where is the difference? The CFC doesn't exist. It's like talking about how bad marathon bars are, just makes you sound like a luddite. You didn't answer my question either by the way. Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Renaming the CFC just because the PR guys from H1Z1 and Planetside 2 thought it wasn't a good name for marketing purposes, maybe? Or simple delusions of grandeur, maybe? The problem with Imperiums is that they come and go when their enemies become to strong, the Imperium Romanum is a parade example for that. The Imperium Romanum became lazy and fat and couldn't even defend their homeland anymore, and one fine day, oops surprise, the Goths captured Rome. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? It wasn't a good name, not just for H1Z1, but once you start getting referred to on non-gaming media sites talking about EVE, having a more family friendly name is a benefit for CCP as well as Mittani. And you're right, they come and go. They might fall now to a larger coalition (thus proving the necessity of coalitions) but I have no doubt they'll rise again. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 134	Posted - 2016.04.12 13:56:43 - [97] - Quote He was in a bad relationship. Then his boyfriend dumped him and left him in the middle of nowhere in Eve and he's trying to look cool by saying it doesn't matter. It might not matter but you still got dumped. Literally and metaphorically.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 402	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:02:04 - [98] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Aaron Honk wrote: People should check the latest mitani leaks, it's interesting to see what your leader think about this game. A game, seems he doesn't even log into, but "Controls" all his ret@rds that follow. You really have to be a loser to be involved in that. He thinks they are all stupid, but then, umm. It's spelled retards! All that Mittani crap could have been easily avoided when CCP would have perma banned that lil poopstain after his 2012 Fanfest stunt! Agreed, it was nothing less that terrorism.
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 214	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:06:29 - [99] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Horde is just fun, plain old fun, and yes, new players get excellent training. Run your mouth off all you want about PL (it's probably unwise to do so but whatever) but I really don't think that they need a bunch of newbeans to meatshield for them. They don't even use us that way. We have our own deployments and our own ops. Sure you do, right up until PL need you to take a hit. If PL needs me to take a hit, I'll ...lose a T1 ship, maybe a pod, and go on with my life, I guess! Quote: It's funny that you seem to think of Imperium alliances as meatshield but can't see the exact same relationship with PL and PH. Well, because they're not. This is the second post in which you've made this accusation. I'd like you to go into explcit detail as to how you think that Horde are "meatshields" for PL. I mean, SMA and the other CFC alliances were meatshields for Goons in that they occupied the regions around Deklein, making a direct attack upon the Goons nigh impossible. See what "meatshield" means? So again I ask, how is Horde acting as a meatshield for PL? Quote: What exactly will PL do if I run my mouth? Sic their pets on me? Given how weak and broken SMA is right now, that would not be something SMA would like to have happen, so don't scoff. Even when SMA had 4500 or so members back when I was still around and Horde was living in W-4, their roams up into Fade were a constant thorn in the side (I personally found it appalling how such a big alliance could be so awful -- it was embarrassing) and don't you even try to claim that they weren't. > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 403	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:07:43 - [100] - Quote The Inferium are fleeing meat shields are failing goons can't mount a defense cause none are even in the game anymore

Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 975	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:22:59 - [101] - Quote There's this saying about names. That names have power. That by trying to deny an entity's name, you attempt to deprive it of the power that you perceive the name to have (CFC instead of Imperium, Emporium and so on) It's no coincidence that Mittens attempts to name both the MBC and the war. But then the same is true for the MBC side. How about we reach a middle ground. We name ourselves and respect each others names and the name of the war remains the most widely used one (world war bee) The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1089	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:26:36 - [102] - Quote No thanks. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Wexiz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:29:22 - [103] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: There's this saying about names. That names have power. That by trying to deny an entity's name, you attempt to deprive it of the power that you perceive the name to have (CFC instead of Imperium, Emporium and so on) It's no coincidence that Mittens attempts to name both the MBC and the war. But then the same is true for the MBC side. How about we reach a middle ground. We name ourselves and respect each others names and the name of the war remains the most widely used one (world war bee) Names are just labels, so when people converse they have some idea of what is being talked about. I don't really see what it is called matters as long as everyone calls it the same, or if two labels are used for the same thing they reference each other.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7470	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:38:20 - [104] - Quote Trudeaux Margaret wrote: If PL needs me to take a hit, I'll ...lose a T1 ship, maybe a pod, and go on with my life, I guess! OK, so why are you so uppity about the Imperium and it's "meatshields". If the Imperium asks me to be on a fleet and lose a ship I actually make isk from that. Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Well, because they're not. This is the second post in which you've made this accusation. I'd like you to go into explcit detail as to how you think that Horde are "meatshields" for PL. I mean, SMA and the other CFC alliances were meatshields for Goons in that they occupied the regions around Deklein, making a direct attack upon the Goons nigh impossible. See what "meatshield" means? So again I ask, how is Horde acting as a meatshield for PL? A meatshield in the sense that if they need some fodder to throw in front of them losing real pilots, they have horde pilots. PL choosing not to own space doesn't stop that relationship existing. Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Given how weak and broken SMA is right now, that would not be something SMA would like to have happen, so don't scoff. Even when SMA had 4500 or so members back when I was still around and Horde was living in W-4, their roams up into Fade were a constant thorn in the side (I personally found it appalling how such a big alliance could be so awful -- it was embarrassing) and don't you even try to claim that they weren't. All the time you are going to chestbeat, I'm going to scoff. Honestly if PL get so buttmad at one poster dismissing their superiority that they redeploy to try to attack an alliance living in NPC null, I'll be pretty chuffed at being that poster. Even in some of the early fights of this war when horde were outnumbering our fleets alone and had NC. support on top, we were still able to hold most strategic objectives. I think pilot to pilot we'd rip horde to pieces. The only thing you've got going for you is numbers, and horde in it's previous incarnation as BNI proved that a non-existent security policy and wide open recruitment only gets you so far. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 92	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:48:07 - [105] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: [quote=Arsine Mayhem]You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though.[/ote]Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 404	Posted - 2016.04.12 14:58:56 - [106] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: A meatshield in the sense that if they need some fodder to throw in front of them losing real pilots, they have horde pilots. PL choosing not to own space doesn't stop that relationship existing. Sorry meat shield, your usefulness has run out. The Inferium is fleeing because you weren't a good meat shield. Oh, but they, aka Code, can gank 30 day old noobs in hisec in retrievers. U R strong. How pathetic is that? Nothing to compare it to.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7470	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:03:08 - [107] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. You're absolutely the worst pilots in this entire war (unless bombing yourselves is what we're grading on). Also, you should check your math. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7470	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:05:13 - [108] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Oh, but they, aka Code, can gank 30 day old noobs in hisec in retrievers. U R strong. Now I understand why you are so angry at the Imperium. Thanks for the clarification. Remember, it's just a game though friend. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2304	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:10:26 - [109] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: ... I make almost all of my isk (and that's a lot - if I liquidated it and bought plex for subs I'd die of natural causes before my sub runs out) ... So, enough to fill a small gang of Kestrels, then? Impressive. EvE security zones in picture Space pants! Begin transmission. Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 404	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:12:41 - [110] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Oh, but they, aka Code, can gank 30 day old noobs in hisec in retrievers. U R strong. Now I understand why you are so angry at the Imperium. Thanks for the clarification. Remember, it's just a game though friend. Yea, it's because you run and cry like little girls and I have never seen any of the noobs in help channel complain anything like the crybabies in CFC, aka pathetic inferium.

Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 975	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:16:11 - [111] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: [quote=Arsine Mayhem]You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though.[/ote]Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Indeed let us not forget MOAs contributions to the war effort and the place of honour they earned within the MBC as a result of their efforts The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7470	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:22:29 - [112] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: So, enough to fill a small gang of Kestrels, then? Impressive. It's all about cargo expanders. Arsine Mayhem wrote: Yea, it's because you run and cry like little girls and I have never seen any of the noobs in help channel complain anything like the crybabies in CFC, aka pathetic inferium. Seriously, so angry. It's just a game mate, you need to calm down before you have an aneurysm or something. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 600	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:33:35 - [113] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: It's all about cargo expanders. So that's why you're going to ORE space? but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Tomika Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:41:57 - [114] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: I'm 51 Having seen the way you post on here I had assumed you to be much younger than that.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 225	Posted - 2016.04.12 15:51:54 - [115] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Oh, but they, aka Code, can gank 30 day old noobs in hisec in retrievers. U R strong. Now I understand why you are so angry at the Imperium. Thanks for the clarification. Remember, it's just a game though friend. Pretty sure it's got something to do with it, yes. For some of the newer players amongst us, goons invading highsec, providence and lowsec were the first encounters with "the almighty CFC" we'd heard many tales about. (later rebranded Imperium, not when I started playing though). This. The bumping, the scamming, the griefing, the ganking ... I happen to like Providence -- even though I'm kill on sight, we're practically neighbours and I haven't seen them act dishonourable or **** in someone else's pond just for the sake of it. Both are empires, yet one of them is clearly more benevolent than the other. Now I usually wouldn't care about who does what in his corner of the galaxy but the ones stalking my freighter were definitely goons. So, when the war started, you guessed it: one more angry freighter pilot at Your service, Sir! I didn't even know who goons really were until World War Bee started and I took a good long look at The Imperium. They're ..... Carebears?! Like, carebears with alts ganking other carebears? For all the crap I had to endure about freighter bumping, ganking and all the times I was told "why don't you get friends and do something about it?", well ... here I am. Besieging your lands. Doing something about it. All in good humour of course, as it is indeed but a game. Striking back feel good though ;-)
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 134	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:08:37 - [116] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Seriously, so angry. It's just a game mate, you need to calm down before you have an aneurysm or something. Is this why you take it so seriously?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7470	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:16:15 - [117] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: So that's why you're going to ORE space? Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Pretty sure it's got something to do with it, yes. For some of the newer players amongst us, goons invading highsec, providence and lowsec were the first encounters with "the almighty CFC" we'd heard many tales about. (later rebranded Imperium, not when I started playing though). This. The bumping, the scamming, the griefing, the ganking ... I happen to like Providence -- even though I'm kill on sight, we're practically neighbours and I haven't seen them act dishonourable or ** in someone else's pond just for the sake of it. Both are empires, yet one of them is clearly more benevolent than the other. Now I usually wouldn't care about who does what in his corner of the galaxy but the ones stalking my freighter were definitely goons. So, when the war started, you guessed it: one more angry freighter pilot at Your service, Sir! I didn't even know who goons really were until World War Bee started and I took a good long look at The Imperium. They're ..... Carebears?! Like, carebears with alts ganking other carebears? For all the crap I had to endure about freighter bumping, ganking and all the times I was told "why don't you get friends and do something about it?", well ... here I am. Besieging your lands. Doing something about it. All in good humour of course, as it is indeed but a game. Striking back feel good though ;-) Good attitude. Blapping each others ships and invading each other's personal space is totally what the game is about, but once it starts getting to the point people are screaming and throwing insults at each other it's certainly time to calm down. Though there is one thing highsec pilots don't consider. If Imperium get kicked out of nullsec there's a good chance their activity in highsec will increase. Kamahl Daikun wrote:** Is this why you take it so seriously? Super serious me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 404	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:16:18 - [118] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: So, enough to fill a small gang of Kestrels, then? Impressive. It's all about cargo expanders. Arsine Mayhem wrote: Yea, it's because you run and cry like little girls and I have never seen any of the noobs in help channel complain anything like the crybabies in CFC, aka pathetic inferium. Seriously, so angry. It's just a game mate, you need to calm down before you have an aneurysm or something. Just a game huh? You certainly wouldn't say that if you pulled your head out of mitlamies butt long enough to hear him spaz out like a ******. Omg, they backstabbed us, really? HTFU you losers.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1741	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:21:50 - [119] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: So, enough to fill a small gang of Kestrels, then? Impressive. It's all about cargo expanders. Arsine Mayhem wrote: Yea, it's because you run and cry like little girls and I have never seen any of the noobs in help channel complain anything like the crybabies in CFC, aka pathetic inferium. Seriously, so angry. It's just a game mate, you need to calm down before you have an aneurysm or something. Just a game huh? You certainly wouldn't say that if you pulled your head out of mitlamies butt long enough to hear him spaz out like a ret@rd. Omg, they backstabbed us, really? HTFU you losers. 'losers' sounds very seriously from 'FW member' without any real records on killboard.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:24:26 - [120] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Just a game huh? You certainly wouldn't say that if you pulled your head out of mitlamies butt long enough to hear him spaz out like a ret@rd. Omg, they backstabbed us, really? HTFU you losers. I do listen to him giving his speeches to his in-game troops, and I'm certain he sees where the game ends and the real world begins. You certainly seem to be lacking that distinction, and that's pretty worrying. Like I said, you need to calm down my friend. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Rain6639 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3861	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:25:01 - [121] - Quote Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 226	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:26:19 - [122] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Good attitude. Blapping each others ships and invading each other's personal space is totally what the game is about, but once it starts getting to the point people are screaming and throwing insults at each other it's certainly time to calm down. Though there is one thing highsec pilots don't consider. If Imperium get kicked out of nullsec there's a good chance their activity in highsec will increase. Hehehe - yup. I guess that's my way of saying "just wait till I get in a ship with guns grrrrr" I don't really care what happens to highsec (I recently upgraded to a jump freighter) but activity levels rising has crossed my mind, yes. If they reach a point where it's worth our time to wait for and blap all the -5s, that'd be hilarious! One might actually see whole corps developing around the idea of thwarting gankers without wasting their time. Fun times ahead!
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 134	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:40:39 - [123] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Kamahl Daikun wrote: Is this why you take it so seriously? Super serious me. You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office. Obviously serious.
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 976	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:52:09 - [124] - Quote Kamahl Daikun wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Kamahl Daikun wrote: Is this why you take it so seriously? Super serious me. You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office. Obviously serious. Posting about posting. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Mario Putzo 1637	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:52:36 - [125] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news. It is official news though. Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2. They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news. In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion. Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same. Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 16:53:20 - [126] - Quote Kamahl Daikun wrote: You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office. Obviously serious. You should really work more, since I've really not spent much time in here at all. You should see me when I've got free time to burn in a thread. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:01:49 - [127] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: It is official news though. Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2. They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news. In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion. Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same. Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh. I think a lot of the issue is that CCP recently have started this thing where they basically live on reddit, and if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion, leaving CCP only really able to pick through anti-goon material. I'm with the suggestion I saw in some thread somewhere on here that CCP should make a war subforum, and that should be full blown go crazy with propaganda and whatnot, so there's a single unified neutral location for players to post. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aaron Honk Distributed Denial of Service 92	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:04:30 - [128] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: . There was a pretty good one posted on /r/eve today https://i.imgur.com/x46diRS.jpg
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Snuffed Out 4540	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:06:58 - [129] - Quote a war subforum'd be ok, as long as npc alts are required to address real people as 'sir', if only as a token admission of inferiority
Rain6639 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3861	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:10:17 - [130] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Rain6639 wrote: Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news. It is official news though. Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2. They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news. In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion. Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same. Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh. Nah bud CCP has been far from impartial in this. It leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. That whole janitor thing is out the window for some reason and I don't know why.

Rain6639 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3861	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:24:01 - [131] - Quote Your language right now doesn't matter to me, neither does whatever r/eve does. But when I see it on a "what's going on right now" page on an official EVE url, that makes me decide not to play ball. The fact is we know how to give good war, but if CCP can't be impartial then they get a bad war. That looks like T1 everything, frigates and interceptors maybe. But no capitals, no grudge matches.
Mizhir TURN LEFT 74730	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:28:02 - [132] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Kamahl Daikun wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Kamahl Daikun wrote: Is this why you take it so seriously? Super serious me. You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office. Obviously serious. Posting about posting. Postingception nip One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 449	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:34:25 - [133] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion Like this pro-Karma Fleet one that has five times as many upvotes as most pro-MBC propaganda? https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4efhqo/join_the_imperium_and_get_to_fight_against_the/ Well done propaganda is appreciated on reddit, regardless of who it supports. Now this is an example of a post getting downvoted into oblivion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4eeozp/ccp_has_a_pr_problem/ That is salt wrapped up in tinfoil.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:39:14 - [134] - Quote Ironically the World War Bee name would become accurate if we congeal into a giant alliance. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 135	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:47:14 - [135] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Posting about posting. Hi, I'll take fries with that. Make them fresh, please. Lucas Kell wrote: Kamahl Daikun wrote: You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office. Obviously serious. You should really work more, since I've really not spent much time in here at all. You should see me when I've got free time to burn in a thread. I don't really want to. Your dedication to this subject is already unsettling.
Mario Putzo 1639	Posted - 2016.04.12 17:52:53 - [136] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I think a lot of the issue is that CCP recently have started this thing where they basically live on reddit, and if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion, leaving CCP only really able to pick through anti-goon material. I'm with the suggestion I saw in some thread somewhere on here that CCP should make a war subforum, and that should be full blown go crazy with propaganda and whatnot, so there's a single unified neutral location for players to post. First, why would they not communicate on reddit, it has 60K subs, and there are 500-1K+ active users (more frequency now due to war) at pretty much all times of the day it is a fairly popular and active sub...the devs would be stupid not to frequent a popular sub, on a popular website, for a game they made. Secondly, I read reddit a lot, and I stay on "new" I can tell you 100% that pro-CFC stuff is just not being posted there are two reasons for this I think. 1) Prior to the kickstarter, CFC had decent reddit presence, and their submissions were tolerated in terms of "dankness" or "spiciness", sure there was Grr Goon threads etc, but were talking the EVE O quality "Goons are bad and I hate them". Whatever right. After the kickstarter is when things changed. Mittani and Sion were actively trying to get vote brigade thing going to boost their kickstarter awareness. This didn't sit well with Reddit, (because that is how Reddit works) Mittani, viewed this as a direct personal attack, and developed this ** Reddit attitude, saying like Reddit isn't an EVE community. So of course, this only got your average redditor more encouraged to him off. Which they doubled down on with Sion quit from CSM, this is where the CCP ** us because Reddit came from. Obviously at this point the "not a real community" of Reddit went pretty Anti-Bee, because it drove Mittani nuts, and made Sion look dumb....it didn't help when old goons like Endie, Blwarf and DJ posted anti goon threads either. 2) The war has not been remotely good for CFC, you can spin cycle it however you want to justify reasoning, But it has not been good. It is clearly obvious CFC is broken, the non-GSF members are all bleeding players/corps. Every region held a month ago is essentially lost at this point. So really what do Goons have to cheer for? They fly around in Inties and watch their space burn from low sec. That can hardly be fun, or entertaining for the majority. It is demoralizing, so what do they have to celebrate on reddit. Prior to the "real" war CFC had good presence, when they brawled Tishu and Horde in Fade, Content Ring, CO2/Lawn/Bastion in the other theatre. There was lots of good posting over good fights, by both sides. But now, after the fastest collapse in EVE history...I just don't think Goons post anymore because they have nothing to cheer for. In regards to a forum section, there is one. CAOD. No one posts there because 1) ISD's over moderate, and EVE Players in heat (of war) sperge pretty hard. 2) The forum eats posts all the time, it is frustrating as to type ** out hit post and watch it disappear. So I don't see it getting used even if one was created, because frankly...these forums actually do suck.
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:08:54 - [137] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: So really what do Goons have to cheer for? A future more fun than these past two years. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:11:24 - [138] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: First, why would they not communicate on reddit, it has 60K subs, and there are 500-1K+ active users (more frequency now due to war) at pretty much all times of the day it is a fairly popular and active sub...the devs would be stupid not to frequent a popular sub, on a popular website, for a game they made. Because it's insanely biased and filled with ex-bittervets. Mario Putzo wrote: Secondly, I read reddit a lot, and I stay on "new" I can tell you 100% that pro-CFC stuff is just not being posted there are two reasons for this I think. ... The third reason you are missing is that if someone comments and it's pro-goon, it's generally downvoted. There's no point in players even attempting to join reddit from the Imperium side since someone will say "Hey we're going to crush goons" +50 karma, then a new goon replies "We'll fight you to the end" -20 karma, posts now invisible. I gave reddit a fair crack seeing that CCP decided it's a better place than their official forums to talk about game mechanics, but there's just no point unless you're only interested in following the popular opinion and have the sense of humour of a 12 year old. Mario Putzo wrote: In regards to a forum section, there is one. CAOD. No one posts there because 1) ISD's over moderate, and EVE Players in heat (of war) sperge pretty hard. 2) The forum eats posts all the time, it is frustrating as ** to type out hit post and watch it disappear. So I don't see it getting used even if one was created, because frankly...these forums actually do suck. 1. Don't sperg, behave like an adult and you won't get moderated. 2. As a regular forum warrior I know that's not as common as you make it sound, maybe once a day. Sure it could use some work, but thankfully it remembers posts anyway. Also there's benefits: 1. It's unbiased (ish) 2. The worst of the attacks and unhealthy rage posts are filtered down 3. Posting is restricted to active, unbanned characters 4. Posts rise to the top based on activity positive or negative, rather than actively pushing popular opinions only 5. It's not reddit CAOD isn't really the place though, they really need a war forum with rules set up to allow players to discuss active wars, share propaganda, etc. Mario Putzo wrote: oh and you can swear on reddit too...********* < makes conversation poop Golly gosh, you won me over. I can't possibly imagine posting without swearing. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:16:37 - [139] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: So really what do Goons have to cheer for? A future more fun than these past two years. Try to talk to him as little as possible please Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:17:45 - [140] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: So really what do Goons have to cheer for? A future more fun than these past two years. Try to talk to him as little as possible please I outrank you. Back in your box before I'm forced to Widot you. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 94	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:21:39 - [141] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. You're absolutely the worst pilots in this entire war (unless bombing yourselves is what we're grading on). Also, you should check your math. We could be the worst pilots in Eve mate but at least we undock and try to shoot stuff, not hide away in Saranen on the orders of Emperor Mittens. My math is fine. MOA currently own 9 systems, SMA have 6, TNT has 1, Razor and Initiative are sov-less. You must be so drunk on Kool Aid you can't see it. Anyway I'm sure anybody of relevance in Eve would say that compared to SMA we are giants
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:24:52 - [142] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Rain6637 wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: So really what do Goons have to cheer for? A future more fun than these past two years. Try to talk to him as little as possible please I outrank you. Back in your box before I'm forced to Widot you. Lol outrank me how and what is widotting mean Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Aaron Honk Distributed Denial of Service 92	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:26:50 - [143] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: . The forum is so much better and yet thousand of people prefer reddit, and not only MBC fans, /r/eve was popular years before all of this happened.
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 94	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:27:17 - [144] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: [quote=Arsine Mayhem]You failed, dredging an alliance name out of the trash doesn't mean you recovered. Only you used the name again. Worked for test though.[/ote]Hush now irrelevant NPC trash. Heh, amusingly the only people with less relevance in this war are MoA Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Indeed let us not forget MOAs contributions to the war effort and the place of honour they earned within the MBC as a result 9 systems taken on the map friend, every little bit counts against the evil Gons.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 18:58:37 - [145] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: We could be the worst pilots in Eve mate but at least we undock and try to shoot stuff, not hide away in Saranen on the orders of Emperor Mittens. I was undocking genius, you might remember me from a couple of days ago, I was one of the interceptors that shot up your cormorant gang (and the random cynabal). Akballah Kassan wrote: My math is fine. MOA currently own 9 systems, SMA have 6, TNT has 1, Razor and Initiative are sov-less. You must be so drunk on Kool Aid you can't see it. According to my dotlan, SMA have 6, TNT has 4 and MOA has 9. Akballah Kassan wrote: Anyway I'm sure anybody of relevance in Eve would say that compared to SMA we are giants I sincerely doubt that. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1092	Posted - 2016.04.12 19:29:53 - [146] - Quote You really need to get out of SMA, because you can't smug post AND be in literally the biggest joke alliance in EVE right now. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7472	Posted - 2016.04.12 19:59:31 - [147] - Quote Aiwha wrote: You really need to get out of SMA, because you can't smug post AND be in literally the biggest joke alliance in EVE right now. Apparently I can. And dude, still not in MOA. SMA are the second biggest joke at best. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1093	Posted - 2016.04.12 20:28:48 - [148] - Quote I thought MOA just evicted you? Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 405	Posted - 2016.04.12 22:24:39 - [149] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Just a game huh? You certainly wouldn't say that if you pulled your head out of mitlamies butt long enough to hear him spaz out like a ret@rd. Omg, they backstabbed us, really? HTFU you losers. I do listen to him giving his speeches to his in-game troops, and I'm certain he sees where the game ends and the real world begins. You certainly seem to be lacking that distinction, and that's pretty worrying. Like I said, you need to calm down my friend. LOLOLOLz, umm, that's why your alliance got trashed, smacked down like a whore. Like I said, pull your head out. You are just trash to be thrown out. Oh, to late.
Mario Putzo 1641	Posted - 2016.04.12 22:31:48 - [150] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: Just a game huh? You certainly wouldn't say that if you pulled your head out of mitlamies butt long enough to hear him spaz out like a ret@rd. Omg, they backstabbed us, really? HTFU you losers. I do listen to him giving his speeches to his in-game troops, and I'm certain he sees where the game ends and the real world begins. You certainly seem to be lacking that distinction, and that's pretty worrying. Like I said, you need to calm down my friend. LOLOLOLz, umm, that's why your alliance got trashed, smacked down like a whore. Like I said, pull your head out. You are just trash to be thrown out. Oh, to late. In all fairness, SMA has been fighting a war for like 4 months, mostly on its own. They did a pretty remarkable job in holding out against TISHU and Horde earlier in the year. Cloud Ring was given up by GSF not SMA, Goons ordered condensing, which was the right choice, but not a loss for SMA. Monkey's put up a good fight, to bad their toxic upper leadership caused the alliance to collapse outright, and take it to the graveyard of Null Sec. I think SMA as a whole deserve more credit than folks, and perhaps even myself at times have given them. Its hard to forget how long they actually fought for. But at the same time Goons never came, at the detriment to the average line member and corp.

TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1456	Posted - 2016.04.12 22:43:03 - [151] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. You're absolutely the worst pilots in this entire war (unless bombing yourselves is what we're grading on). Also, you should check your math. We could be the worst pilots in Eve mate but at least we undock and try to shoot stuff, not hide away in Saranen on the orders of Emperor Mittens. Where on earth are you getting your information? Fleets are going out all the time... My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1097	Posted - 2016.04.12 23:25:15 - [152] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. You're absolutely the worst pilots in this entire war (unless bombing yourselves is what we're grading on). Also, you should check your math. We could be the worst pilots in Eve mate but at least we undock and try to shoot stuff, not hide away in Saranen on the orders of Emperor Mittens. Where on earth are you getting your information? Fleets are going out all the time... Sewer fleets are not real fleets. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7457	Posted - 2016.04.12 23:26:37 - [153] - Quote Did I just see a kill involving a goon Wyvern and 4-5 flying turds? If that was a real kill we could say things are hitting the fan. (sorry, couldn't help it) If PL is using a fleet of Revenants, is this their FC? Is it called "SHTF Fleet"? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2016.04.12 23:27:11 - [154] - Quote Aiwha wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. You're absolutely the worst pilots in this entire war (unless bombing yourselves is what we're grading on). Also, you should check your math. We could be the worst pilots in Eve mate but at least we undock and try to shoot stuff, not hide away in Saranen on the orders of Emperor Mittens. Where on earth are you getting your information? Fleets are going out all the time... Sewer fleets are not real fleets. I brawled with an NCdot super fleet today. How can you call that boring? The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7473	Posted - 2016.04.13 07:34:14 - [155] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: LOLOLOLz, umm, that's why your alliance got trashed, smacked down like a whore. Like I said, pull your head out. You are just trash to be thrown out. Oh, to late. Lol, except it didn't. Our alliance is still alive and well (alive anyway ). Sure, we lost a war just like hundreds of alliances have before us and we've had to pull back, but all this chestbeating and insulting from an NPC alt clearly raging about their highsec mining barge loss is pretty pathetic lol. Like I said earlier, you need to calm down and stop taking it so seriously. It's a game. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jack Van Impe The Conference Elite CODE. 7	Posted - 2016.04.13 07:59:17 - [156] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Arsine Mayhem wrote: LOLOLOLz, umm, that's why your alliance got trashed, smacked down like a whore. Like I said, pull your head out. You are just trash to be thrown out. Oh, to late. Lol, except it didn't. Our alliance is still alive and well (alive anyway ). Sure, we lost a war just like hundreds of alliances have before us and we've had to pull back, but all this chestbeating and insulting from an NPC alt clearly raging about their highsec mining barge loss is pretty pathetic lol. Like I said earlier, you need to calm down and stop taking it so seriously. It's a game. Lucas Kell telling a miner to calm down? Maybe there is hope for you yet.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7473	Posted - 2016.04.13 09:18:15 - [157] - Quote Jack Van Impe wrote: Lucas Kell telling a miner to calm down? Maybe there is hope for you yet. Not much hope, I still think CODE are as much carebears as they prey they hunt. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 181	Posted - 2016.04.13 09:31:45 - [158] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed... You mean like you guys.
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1312	Posted - 2016.04.13 09:53:14 - [159] - Quote The number of people who drop the line about "Goons stuck in lowsec" don't seem to get that sov is now more of a whacky chase around constellations and needs indexes to be built up. Anyone can attack but only defender can defend. Why it's like this would be more of a history lesson than i can be bothered posting but the reddit talking points about staging out of lowsec seem relentlessly uninformed regarding sov mechanics. So some renters, buddies and buffers got messed with, ok. I could be wrong on some detail but it sure looks like the Imperium side are going to have to all merge into a giant body in order to deal with the new circumstances of sov. The crowing and hating by irrelevant and nameless groups from all over the map is boring, OP needs a valium. I can't even bet with friends over any outcomes as the MBC side seem to think anything is a win condition. The market is loving me though. Have goons lost any of Deklein yet? Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7475	Posted - 2016.04.13 09:54:20 - [160] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Amusingly MOA now hold more Sov then SMA, Initiative, TNT and Razor combined! No worries I'm sure you guys can become the big boys of Cloud Ring eventually lol. Congratulations on holding sov that noone is contesting. The moment someone else wants to take it from you, you will stop owning it, guaranteed. Just like you guys. Zing! Except of course it took a coalition of 50k+ players several months to take ours and they're still working on it even though we no longer live there. In contrast, to take sov from MoA it will only take a small gang even if MoA defend it with all they have. But yeah, except for those distinct differences, it's just like us. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1125	Posted - 2016.04.13 10:59:05 - [161] - Quote Aaron Honk wrote: The forum is so much better and yet thousand of people prefer reddit, and not only MBC fans, /r/eve was popular years before all of this happened. To be fair, unless this forum gets an upgrade to improve its notifications system and few other things, it won't be objectively superior to reddit, although forum format is more convenient for certain things. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 181	Posted - 2016.04.13 11:40:05 - [162] - Quote Aaron Honk wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: . The forum is so much better and yet thousand of people prefer reddit, and not only MBC fans, /r/eve was popular years before all of this happened. I'd say it's the other way around. Reddit is way better than the forum. Moderation is lighter. Here if you sneeze, your post is moderated Killmails and chat logs can be posted without worrying about breaking rules Images show up in threads (dependent on integration with Reddit). Videos the same. So no need to click out externally a lot of the time Devs being social just like the rest of us, post outside their work hours, so often answers are posted there quicker then they are here, where we really can't expect devs to be on the forum 24/7. But they might be on Reddit, twitter, slack more outside work than they are during business hours No one takes things too seriously. Everything is a shitpost and everyone knows it. For all the hate on r/eve for Goons, as soon as there are B4R post, the community comes together to help out, no matter who it is Lots of people who aren't subscribed, who've never played Eve, etc. use social media as so can freely post there, but are totally locked out from posting on the forums For all the hate towards social media that some people have, there's lots of good things about other platforms too.
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 215	Posted - 2016.04.13 11:48:51 - [163] - Quote Goons lost VFK and YA0 last night. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/YA0-XJ http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/VFK-IV > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
ISD Fractal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1155	Posted - 2016.04.13 12:17:08 - [164] - Quote Quote: 34. Posting of inappropriate content is prohibited. The posting of pornography, discriminatory remarks which are sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive as well as excessive obscene or vulgar language, posts which discuss or illustrate illegal activity, or an instance of providing links to sites that contain any of the aforementioned is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. I have removed an inappropriate comment and posts quoting it. ISD Fractal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 215	Posted - 2016.04.13 12:41:15 - [165] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: Have goons lost any of Deklein yet? Whelp They meant to do that, though. It's all part of the scheme. Since all of us in the MBC have such short attention spans, no one will keep that sov and Goons will come right back and take it. With a hellwar. > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13896	Posted - 2016.04.13 12:42:25 - [166] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Aaron Honk wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: . The forum is so much better and yet thousand of people prefer reddit, and not only MBC fans, /r/eve was popular years before all of this happened. I'd say it's the other way around. Reddit is way better than the forum. Moderation is lighter. Here if you sneeze, your post is moderated Killmails and chat logs can be posted without worrying about breaking rules Images show up in threads (dependent on integration with Reddit). Videos the same. So no need to click out externally a lot of the time Devs being social just like the rest of us, post outside their work hours, so often answers are posted there quicker then they are here, where we really can't expect devs to be on the forum 24/7. But they might be on Reddit, twitter, slack more outside work than they are during business hours No one takes things too seriously. Everything is a shitpost and everyone knows it. For all the hate on r/eve for Goons, as soon as there are B4R post, the community comes together to help out, no matter who it is Lots of people who aren't subscribed, who've never played Eve, etc. use social media as so can freely post there, but are totally locked out from posting on the forums The forums are **** to post to on mobile devices (and even reading is sometimes a PITA on the forums using a mobile device). Native apps for Reddit are great. Simple and easy to use. Posts don't get eaten just as you hit post, on Reddit. These forums with the timed saves to drafts sometimes do stupid things that make the experience buggy For all the hate towards social media that some people have, there's lots of good things about other platforms too. All of this is true, I've come to see why people use reddit rather than deal with this forum. I actually used a gasp curse word gasp on reddit this week and didn't get ISDKODOKKENED for it lol. Because there is no ISD there.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 228	Posted - 2016.04.13 12:51:26 - [167] - Quote Well holy **** that ***** is totally ******** ! I'd pop a ******** ** if only **'d *************, alas... On a more serious note - when FCon and SMA are still blue to the bloc, how exactly does that change anything? For example, Razor and Lawl might or might not "officially" leave the imperium, but would that matter on the field? Staging from Outer Ring, Syndicate or The Forge under a blue umbrella isn't leaving at all now, is it? (disclaimer: this poster does not care how you call it -- over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game)
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2016.04.13 13:28:01 - [168] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game) As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun: The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Il Reverendo Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2016.04.13 13:53:38 - [169] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game) As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun: Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1127	Posted - 2016.04.13 14:17:57 - [170] - Quote Il Reverendo wrote: Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer... I'm pretty sure they aren't blue right now. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7476	Posted - 2016.04.13 15:48:47 - [171] - Quote Il Reverendo wrote: Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course. You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA ). The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2016.04.13 15:58:14 - [172] - Quote Il Reverendo wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game) As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun: Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course. Alt posting. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Il Reverendo Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2016.04.13 16:13:06 - [173] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA ). It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour. The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing. Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7476	Posted - 2016.04.13 18:54:04 - [174] - Quote Il Reverendo wrote: It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour. No, it really isn't. Aside from only one alliance being able to actually do the defending and any other players having to just watch, the attackers only need to put a small cheap ship on the table while defenders automatically have their sov on the table. So at a very minimum the defenders have to do the same as the attackers from a much smaller pool of people with a much bigger stake. Plus everyone can automatically see when and what is ready to be attacked so it's easy to dogpile without any kind of intel being required. Il Reverendo wrote: The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing.Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming Sure, because at the moment they don't really have much of a choice but to let it roll and try to survive. The mistake is assuming that means that it will actually kill them. Hell, TEST lost everything and pretty much died and yet they are currently the third biggest alliance in the game. The thing it's it's been done in the past, and if any group can pull it off it's going to be one as organised as goons are, so your scoffing and giggling to yourself is laughable. The only part that makes me sad is I won't be actively part of the fight The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 521	Posted - 2016.04.13 19:26:19 - [175] - Quote Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7460	Posted - 2016.04.13 19:26:35 - [176] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Il Reverendo wrote: It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour. No, it really isn't. Aside from only one alliance being able to actually do the defending and any other players having to just watch, the attackers only need to put a small cheap ship on the table while defenders automatically have their sov on the table. So at a very minimum the defenders have to do the same as the attackers from a much smaller pool of people with a much bigger stake. Plus everyone can automatically see when and what is ready to be attacked so it's easy to dogpile without any kind of intel being required. Il Reverendo wrote: The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing.Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming Sure, because at the moment they don't really have much of a choice but to let it roll and try to survive. The mistake is assuming that means that it will actually kill them. Hell, TEST lost everything and pretty much died and yet they are currently the third biggest alliance in the game. The thing it's it's been done in the past, and if any group can pull it off it's going to be one as organised as goons are, so your scoffing and giggling to yourself is laughable. The only part that makes me sad is I won't be actively part of the fight All this fighting and PVP and bickering and arguing about who killed who... Looks like Mitler failed in this "ruining YOUR game" thing. People are starting to enjoy it. And if Flustered Cuck Coalition does try to emerge later to try and take it all back, people will enjoy that too. Fighting. In this game. I literally can't even. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 452	Posted - 2016.04.13 19:37:26 - [177] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA ). After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated."
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 228	Posted - 2016.04.13 20:05:23 - [178] - Quote Don't sell the bear's skin just yet bois. It ain't over till it's over.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7476	Posted - 2016.04.13 20:23:46 - [179] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated." Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1457	Posted - 2016.04.13 20:30:41 - [180] - Quote This war is still in its infancy. But by all means, pack up and leave if you think otherwise. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums

The Economist Logically Consistent 33	Posted - 2016.04.13 20:38:34 - [181] - Quote Multiple logical failures detected in this thread; alerting frege.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 186	Posted - 2016.04.13 21:22:24 - [182] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it? The bee guys will end up holding it. Napoleon took Moscow, Stalingrad was 98% taken; but unless the job is 100% completed, the bee guys allies switched to new allegiances and the space fully occupied, the owners will just move back in. I would suspect that the bee guys have so much in the way of assets in Dek, that they'll just retake the space when they want because MBC is just a loose coalition that will return to normal when they achieve what they think is the goal, which is only short term. The bee guys are playing the long game and realise that losing in the short term makes no difference. The dynamic in the game will be changed by this a touch, but once the war is over the bee guys will have some payback. CO2 will end up the biggest casualty in the long run. MBC members will just go back to their normal ways and carry on.
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 453	Posted - 2016.04.13 21:49:16 - [183] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Eli Stan wrote: After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated." Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages. Very early indeed. I haven't noticed many MBC people claiming to have won the war and the work is done. Just enjoying some victory battles. Some of the upcoming steps, from what I can gather from the chatter: Grind down all CONDI SOV structures and POSes in Deklein and Pure Blind. Potentially grind down all Imperium SOV structures and POSes in areas such as Vale, depending on the actions taken by other Imperium alliances. Respond to any attacks launched during the above process. This will be done with great delight, I suspect. Move out to other areas and allow new groups to take SOV, or move in and take SOV themselves and get back to gudfites. Keep an eye out for any future CONDI moves into SOV, or even just force deployments. The emperor has been shown to bee without clothes and is now KOS for very many groups. My feeling is that any opportunity to dunk CONDI will be gleefully seized upon by overwhelming forces. Depending on how certain wealthy and upset parties act, aggression against alliances that are simply blue with The Imperium (or CONDI if the widotting happens) could continue, even if said alliances have retreated to NPC null or low. I haven't heard any discussion of capitulation or surrender, but I will be keeping an eye out for such talk. Propaganda will continue, especially with the intent of getting players to leave CONDI/The Imperium. This will most certainly be a long-term process. You also mention CONDI being the core of The Imperium, which is true and why the war was dubbed World War Bee by the people who are in the lead so far. It's why CO2 were welcomed for their defection.
Trudeaux Margaret Pandemic Horde Inc. 215	Posted - 2016.04.13 21:49:37 - [184] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it? The bee guys will end up holding it. Napoleon took Moscow, Stalingrad was 98% taken; but unless the job is 100% completed, the bee guys allies switched to new allegiances and the space fully occupied, the owners will just move back in. I would suspect that the bee guys have so much in the way of assets in Dek, that they'll just retake the space when they want because MBC is just a loose coalition that will return to normal when they achieve what they think is the goal, which is only short term. The bee guys are playing the long game and realise that losing in the short term makes no difference. The dynamic in the game will be changed by this a touch, but once the war is over the bee guys will have some payback. CO2 will end up the biggest casualty in the long run. MBC members will just go back to their normal ways and carry on. I doubt that the bee guys will have much payback. They've already been damaged, and before this is all over, they're going to be damaged more. Their coalition has effectively been broken up and the best they can do is salvage some stray corporations from those who have left or are too weak to carry on in the current situation. All imperium alliances are bleeding members and sov, and in spite of Lucas Kell's hurfblurf, it's not going to be some kind of an easy matter to just stroll back into all that space and retake it as easily as the MBC took it. The Aegis sov attacker/defender gap in difficulty/fairness as constantly pointed to by The Mittani as one of the main reason the MBC was able to do what it has done is vastly overstated here. The truth is, a lot of the Imperium had grown soft and unused to defending its space against anything but roamers. SMA had few true PvP players and lots of ratters and miners who didn't even have a clue about situational awareness and how to safe up when a neut or even a red entered the system, let alone how to report it to intel channels. The players who were eager to defend were fighting an uphill battle simply because of this. And it is folly for people like The Mittani (and Lucas Kell) to assume that all alliances are as bad at the game as this. I am not saying that the defender disadvantage isn't real, but that the Imperium's disadvantage was worse, especially for alliances like SMA. And actually I have to give SMA props because towards the end there when they realized that things were serious and that they weren't getting bailed out by Goons, they finally pulled it together and put up some fight. But it was too little too late by then. Anyway, back to my original point. Goons may get all or part of Dek back, but they're probably going to have to fight hard for it, depending on who moves in there. I wouldn't at all be surprised if one or two of their old enemies are eyeing that space as a permanent home. Not naming any names here, but maybe you guys can guess. > anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course? > grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Mario Putzo 1647	Posted - 2016.04.13 22:37:25 - [185] - Quote CFC will get nothing back, there will be some strong groups who will stay there, probably MC, OSS, OOS, CO2, TEST...probably NC. and PL will hold token space, and plenty of moons. The only folks who will leave will be the guys who have homes, and the guys who live in LS/HS/WH North is valuable and these alliances invading aren't stupid, there is a lot of ISK up North.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.14 03:01:41 - [186] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game) As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun: I prefer :yayclod: myself Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6639 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3865	Posted - 2016.04.14 04:31:37 - [187] - Quote But you know this
Rain6638 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3885	Posted - 2016.04.14 04:32:35 - [188] - Quote This new background is really cool for how it fades into the forum at the top corners [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 27	Posted - 2016.04.14 06:32:06 - [189] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Eli Stan wrote: After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated." Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages. And that's the problem. This is a GAME and most of us play it for FUN! But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. We are fighting over Bits and Bytes and they start twisting peoples arms RL? They are setting the timers to Aussie timezone? They want to win through grinding? Hey, where is the FUN? Alle these tactics are clever but is this REALLY the way you think fights in this game should be fought? No fun just cold efficiency? IMHO some people should take a step back and think about why they play this game. It's fun and the meta game including SOV is second. So what could you do to have fun and maybe create fun for other players? Goonswarm certainly has the reources to make B-R5RB look like a skrimish so why don't they just make a last stand and may go down gloriously fighting instead of winning dirty? This way they can walk proudly away and start somewhere else. And when their current tactics doesn't work Goon will not go down with a bang but be grinded down slowly and painfully and just fade away. The real question is: do you want that everyone uses these dirty tactics and would EVE really be fun if everyone fights this way? I don't think so. In my opinion such victories are not worth it because you loose more then you can ever win back with this tactic. But that's just a Noobs idea of playing the game and having fun.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7478	Posted - 2016.04.14 06:56:43 - [190] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: And that's the problem. This is a GAME and most of us play it for FUN! But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. We are fighting over Bits and Bytes and they start twisting peoples arms RL? They are setting the timers to Aussie timezone? They want to win through grinding? Hey, where is the FUN? For some people it's really not a game though. IWI is a site operating as a business using third party software to gain an advantage. At this point it's pretty much stopped being a game. It's not about players using their in-game abilities to fight each other it's about trying to figure out how to stop someone who's using untouchable third party software from picking and choosing targets to eradicate from the game while simultaneously playing with bad mechanics. It's like back when I played CS and a hacker would come in and join your team speeding his way around knifing everyone to death. Sure at first it was funny to watch the enemy getting smashed to pieces but pretty rapidly it loses that novelty and you realise it's just a cheater taking an easy route. Luckily back then there were admins to enforce the rules, but here CCP seem like they have no intention of keeping the playing field level. So sure, the Imperium might fall, but to be honest if earning trillions through third party software is how to win EVE then what's the point in playing at all? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6953	Posted - 2016.04.14 06:57:03 - [191] - Quote Hahaha, you'd like that huh. CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
FOl2TY8 Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation 110	Posted - 2016.04.14 06:59:14 - [192] - Quote Life is like a game like counter-strike, the bomb has been planted.
Myrddin Calyx Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.04.14 06:59:17 - [193] - Quote A glorious last stand of the Goonswarm fleets is exactly what PL/NC./etc. want. Why the **** would we give them that?
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:02:23 - [194] - Quote technically the time zone is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, not quite AU. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Sloof Singapore KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:08:31 - [195] - Quote You come to our house, you play by our rules!
Dreiden Kisada GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:12:10 - [196] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Eli Stan wrote: After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated." Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages. And that's the problem. This is a GAME and most of us play it for FUN! But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. We are fighting over Bits and Bytes and they start twisting peoples arms RL? They are setting the timers to Aussie timezone? They want to win through grinding? Hey, where is the FUN? Alle these tactics are clever but is this REALLY the way you think fights in this game should be fought? No fun just cold efficiency? IMHO some people should take a step back and think about why they play this game. It's fun and the meta game including SOV is second. So what could you do to have fun and maybe create fun for other players? Goonswarm certainly has the reources to make B-R5RB look like a skrimish so why don't they just make a last stand and may go down gloriously fighting instead of winning dirty? This way they can walk proudly away and start somewhere else. And when their current tactics doesn't work Goon will not go down with a bang but be grinded down slowly and painfully and just fade away. The real question is: do you want that everyone uses these dirty tactics and would EVE really be fun if everyone fights this way? I don't think so. In my opinion such victories are not worth it because you loose more then you can ever win back with this tactic. But that's just a Noobs idea of playing the game and having fun. So, basically, the only way to have fun in this game is the way you find fun? Everyone else is wrong? Or is it more that anything we find fun and entertaining is wrong? Because I'll tell you what, i'm having a good time kiting people to death with Asher, and reading the forum porn of people who are so whiney about us not undocking single file to fill up our enemies' kill limit as if this was an episode of Futurama. Why should we go down gloriously when we can just do what we've always done, and come out on top later and laugh at all the moral posts and VFK memes? Answer me this.
Cyno Cop Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:12:22 - [197] - Quote Sov is essentially meaningless
Chewytowel Haklar Project RESET 138	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:36:08 - [198] - Quote Nullsec needs a RESET, and I have a feeling this is the start of a much bigger upcoming fight. If groups have made progress taking out Deklein I bet no one is safe. But then again what do I know, I suck at this game.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6953	Posted - 2016.04.14 07:46:45 - [199] - Quote Dreiden Kisada wrote: So, basically, the only way to have fun in this game is the way you find fun? Everyone else is wrong? Or is it more that anything we find fun and entertaining is wrong? No, it's just we're wrong, that's all. Dreiden Kisada wrote: Because I'll tell you what, i'm having a good time kiting people to death with Asher, Asher, the 23rd best FC in the Imperium and the hero we need. Dreiden Kisada wrote: laugh at all the moral posts and VFK memes? Well we are immortal, horny white boy lifestyle that involves wallowing in pleasure, and all. I think VFK station is now freeported, so if you hurry you can get there in an interceptor and dock. CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
tasman devil Puritans FREE GATES COALITION 76	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:00:08 - [200] - Quote Can someone please give me a link to that conversation logs that reveal mittens threatening CCP and the like? I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6953	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:13:26 - [201] - Quote I'm sure if you google for memes like "bend the knee" you'll find it. Geronimo McVain wrote: But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. Hey, don't be too rude to your elitePVP saviors, you're not the ones bringing the nondocking ships to remove the "literal cancer killing eve". CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
Soviet Love Hammer New Eden Ganking and Repossession Organization 0	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:18:04 - [202] - Quote I'm a ganker and what is this
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1105	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:32:00 - [203] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: And that's the problem. This is a GAME and most of us play it for FUN! But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. We are fighting over Bits and Bytes and they start twisting peoples arms RL? They are setting the timers to Aussie timezone? They want to win through grinding? Hey, where is the FUN? For some people it's really not a game though. IWI is a site operating as a business using third party software to gain an advantage. At this point it's pretty much stopped being a game. It's not about players using their in-game abilities to fight each other it's about trying to figure out how to stop someone who's using untouchable third party software from picking and choosing targets to eradicate from the game while simultaneously playing with bad mechanics. It's like back when I played CS and a hacker would come in and join your team speeding his way around knifing everyone to death. Sure at first it was funny to watch the enemy getting smashed to pieces but pretty rapidly it loses that novelty and you realise it's just a cheater taking an easy route. Luckily back then there were admins to enforce the rules, but here CCP seem like they have no intention of keeping the playing field level. So sure, the Imperium might fall, but to be honest if earning trillions through third party software is how to win EVE then what's the point in playing at all? GSF used to boast one of the largest warchests in EVE, ya'll have spent years sitting in one spot literally farming isk through tech moons (they used to be the bees knees as far as moons go, no pun intended) renting, and just plain ratting. Where are all these supers and titans and dreads your leaders boasted about? A couple rich dudes paying for our SRP shouldn't be able to hold a candle to the MIGHTY IMPERIUM and their vast isk reserves. You do still have isk reserves right? They didn't walk away to pay for any boat trips or something... Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Dolorous Tremmens Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans 152	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:32:18 - [204] - Quote Game testers are people that jump into walls of video games, or other mind numbing tasks for 8 hours+ per day, 5 days+ per week. Some of them enjoy it. Who doesn't want other people to enjoy the same things they do? Its not fighting dirty, its just having fun. What do you have against fun? You never know, you might enjoy it. Get some Eve. Make it yours.
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 29	Posted - 2016.04.14 08:44:37 - [205] - Quote Dreiden Kisada wrote: So, basically, the only way to have fun in this game is the way you find fun? Everyone else is wrong? Or is it more that anything we find fun and entertaining is wrong? Because I'll tell you what, i'm having a good time kiting people to death with Asher, and reading the forum porn of people who are so whiney about us not undocking single file to fill up our enemies' kill limit as if this was an episode of Futurama. Why should we go down gloriously when we can just do what we've always done, and come out on top later and laugh at all the moral posts and VFK memes? Answer me this. You have always hidden in some lowsec system trying to grind someone down? It's my personal view on things that it is wrong just to win its more important how to win. For me a game is sport and you don't always play fair but there are some lines not to cross. And at some point you have to admit defeat and at least put up a good show. What would you think of a team that's 5 goals behind and just stops playing and reserts to just kicking ankels? I said it's just my 2 cent.
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 29	Posted - 2016.04.14 09:02:02 - [206] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: And that's the problem. This is a GAME and most of us play it for FUN! But some people don't play it for fun any longer but to boost their ego. We are fighting over Bits and Bytes and they start twisting peoples arms RL? They are setting the timers to Aussie timezone? They want to win through grinding? Hey, where is the FUN? For some people it's really not a game though. IWI is a site operating as a business using third party software to gain an advantage. At this point it's pretty much stopped being a game. It's not about players using their in-game abilities to fight each other it's about trying to figure out how to stop someone who's using untouchable third party software from picking and choosing targets to eradicate from the game while simultaneously playing with bad mechanics. Just tell me: how many systems have you lost to IWI? And as far as I know the thing was between IWI and SMA? Are you just telling me that all players that attacked you got refunded by IWI and this is just the reason why goon is loosing? All the players flocked to the North just for the IWI money? So you can use every dirty trick because everyone is so unfair to CFC? CFC and goon always played fair? IWI may take a part but the actual shooting and winning is done by players you can shoot down ingame. BTW: CFC called IWIs CEO ex employee? So the next time I get killed in Null I make a research about this guy and **** up with his reallife because maybe he simply bought PLEX and a char? That's what you want for Eve to be? An excuse to mess with someones RL just about some Bits and Bytes? When do you sanction messing RL? For a single kill? Corp Sov loss? Alliance SOV loss? Sorry but there are lines that you shouldn't cross about a game! I'm not saying that every goon is bad but you are, as a whole, responsible for such actions. It's done by your CEOs so you take part of the blame. Do YOU want someone calling your boss because he doesn't like something you did in EVE? Would you think that it's okay?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7479	Posted - 2016.04.14 10:50:40 - [207] - Quote Aiwha wrote: GSF used to boast one of the largest warchests in EVE, ya'll have spent years sitting in one spot literally farming isk through tech moons (they used to be the bees knees as far as moons go, no pun intended) renting, and just plain ratting. Where are all these supers and titans and dreads your leaders boasted about? A couple rich dudes paying for our SRP shouldn't be able to hold a candle to the MIGHTY IMPERIUM and their vast isk reserves. You do still have isk reserves right? They didn't walk away to pay for any boat trips or something... A warchest earned through legitimate in-game mechanics and combined effort, not by a third party application. You can try to spin this however you want but at the end of the day you support someone using a third party application to gain a direct in-game benefit, and you do so because it's beneficial to you. And sure, no matter what the MIGHTY IMPERIUM warchest is like, it can't be sustained through legitimate mechanics against someone who has no way of being affected by in-game activity. Congratulations IWI will be allowed to cheat and win EVE. They've successfully proven that having out of game methods of earning isk that can't be affected by players in a game allows them to win. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7479	Posted - 2016.04.14 10:59:27 - [208] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Just tell me: how many systems have you lost to IWI? And as far as I know the thing was between IWI and SMA? Are you just telling me that all players that attacked you got refunded by IWI and this is just the reason why goon is loosing? All the players flocked to the North just for the IWI money? So you can use every dirty trick because everyone is so unfair to CFC? CFC and goon always played fair? IWI may take a part but the actual shooting and winning is done by players you can shoot down ingame. I'm saying that IWI is funding the war, and unlike in-game isk earning mechanics which can be attacked and affected, IWIs method of generating income is a third party application which cannot be affected by players. Inevitably no legitimate players, no matter who they are would be able to outlive their opponent if their opponent has that untouchable advantage. This is why botting and many other third party applications that give an advantage aren't allowed. Geronimo McVain wrote: BTW: CFC called IWIs CEO ex employee? So the next time I get killed in Null I make a research about this guy and ** up with his reallife because maybe he simply bought PLEX and a char? That's what you want for Eve to be? An excuse to mess with someones RL just about some Bits and Bytes? When do you sanction messing RL? For a single kill? Corp Sov loss? Alliance SOV loss? First off, I've seen no proof of any of that (and the person I saw doxxing IWI was Nosy Gamer). Secondly, Mittani has dealt with personal attacks against him as a player, not as a character for several years, and you seem to have no problem with that, so why is it you're suddenly on your high horse? Geronimo McVain wrote:** Sorry but there are lines that you shouldn't cross about a game! I'm not saying that every goon is bad but you are, as a whole, responsible for such actions. It's done by your CEOs so you take part of the blame. Do YOU want someone calling your boss because he doesn't like something you did in EVE? Would you think that it's okay? No I wouldn't like it, neither would I like my career and life choices to be attacked on a daily basis or my photos plastered all over propaganda and attacked for things my character does. It's pretty ludicrous for you to suggest that the Imperium are the sole perpetrators of this. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Dreiden Kisada GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2016.04.14 14:24:21 - [209] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Dreiden Kisada wrote: So, basically, the only way to have fun in this game is the way you find fun? Everyone else is wrong? Or is it more that anything we find fun and entertaining is wrong? Because I'll tell you what, i'm having a good time kiting people to death with Asher, and reading the forum porn of people who are so whiney about us not undocking single file to fill up our enemies' kill limit as if this was an episode of Futurama. Why should we go down gloriously when we can just do what we've always done, and come out on top later and laugh at all the moral posts and VFK memes? Answer me this. You have always hidden in some lowsec system trying to grind someone down? It's my personal view on things that it is wrong just to win its more important how to win. For me a game is sport and you don't always play fair but there are some lines not to cross. And at some point you have to admit defeat and at least put up a good show. What would you think of a team that's 5 goals behind and just stops playing and reserts to just kicking ankels? I said it's just my 2 cent. You don't know your game history. Yes, this is how we deal with being outnumbered in our prime. We did it when BoB pulled their "there are no goons". Ever hear of VCBees? We conquered the other half of the galaxy when BoB had their massive superiority. This is not some kind of new thing. This has been a regular thing for the last decade.
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 30	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:13:13 - [210] - Quote New backgrounds you Imperium folk are using look pretty good...but is there possibly more to the story? http://eveion.blogspot.com/2016/04/ccp-inadvertently-leak-new-captains.html

Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1107	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:19:25 - [211] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Aiwha wrote: GSF used to boast one of the largest warchests in EVE, ya'll have spent years sitting in one spot literally farming isk through tech moons (they used to be the bees knees as far as moons go, no pun intended) renting, and just plain ratting. Where are all these supers and titans and dreads your leaders boasted about? A couple rich dudes paying for our SRP shouldn't be able to hold a candle to the MIGHTY IMPERIUM and their vast isk reserves. You do still have isk reserves right? They didn't walk away to pay for any boat trips or something... A warchest earned through legitimate in-game mechanics and combined effort, not by a third party application. You can try to spin this however you want but at the end of the day you support someone using a third party application to gain a direct in-game benefit, and you do so because it's beneficial to you. And sure, no matter what the MIGHTY IMPERIUM warchest is like, it can't be sustained through legitimate mechanics against someone who has no way of being affected by in-game activity. Congratulations IWI will be allowed to cheat and win EVE. They've successfully proven that having out of game methods of earning isk that can't be affected by players in a game allows them to win. You're telling me GSF uses NO third party applications? None? No TS3, no POS managers, no IM clients, no forums? Zero? Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3483	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:26:59 - [212] - Quote You probably should just stop talking to Lucas. He gets dug into these silly little minutiae in every thread / comment section he posts in (read: all that exist) and will run rings around himself to re-doubledown on his bad ideas. Science has yet to determine whether he really believes what he writes or is just stuck arguing on precedent, reason long forgotten. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 120	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:27:00 - [213] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: And sure, no matter what the MIGHTY IMPERIUM warchest is like, it can't be sustained through legitimate mechanics against someone who has no way of being affected by in-game activity. Congratulations IWI will be allowed to cheat and win EVE. They've successfully proven that having out of game methods of earning isk that can't be affected by players in a game allows them to win. "My alliance was beaten thoroughly in a war, so the other guy obviously was cheating" Here's a picture of the only thing saltier than your posts http://i.imgur.com/nBz6Zys.png
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:37:34 - [214] - Quote Aiwha wrote: You're telling me GSF uses NO third party applications? None? No TS3, no POS managers, no IM clients, no forums? Zero? No, I'm saying they use no third party applications that convey a direct in-game benefit, such as how bots are banned for providing an unfair in-game benefit. You know exactly what I'm saying and you're attempting to be deliberately difficult, which is amusing since the only reason you're ding that is because you have no valid counterpoint. You know for a fact that a group or individual having an uncountable third party application that grants them income conveys an unfair benefit, but it benefits you so you're OK with it. Isaac Armer wrote: "My alliance was beaten thoroughly in a war, so the other guy obviously was cheating" Here's a picture of the only thing saltier than your posts http://i.imgur.com/nBz6Zys.png Swing and a miss buddy. Feel free to check over my post history to confirm my opinion that IWI and similar site should not be allowed goes back to LOOOONG before this war. I, unlike some of the posters here, don't base all of my opinions on personal circumstance, I do in fact look objectively at situations like this, and objectively it's a third party application giving a direct and unfair benefit. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade 8	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:44:19 - [215] - Quote Dreiden Kisada wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: Dreiden Kisada wrote: So, basically, the only way to have fun in this game is the way you find fun? Everyone else is wrong? Or is it more that anything we find fun and entertaining is wrong? Because I'll tell you what, i'm having a good time kiting people to death with Asher, and reading the forum porn of people who are so whiney about us not undocking single file to fill up our enemies' kill limit as if this was an episode of Futurama. Why should we go down gloriously when we can just do what we've always done, and come out on top later and laugh at all the moral posts and VFK memes? Answer me this. You have always hidden in some lowsec system trying to grind someone down? It's my personal view on things that it is wrong just to win its more important how to win. For me a game is sport and you don't always play fair but there are some lines not to cross. And at some point you have to admit defeat and at least put up a good show. What would you think of a team that's 5 goals behind and just stops playing and reserts to just kicking ankels? I said it's just my 2 cent. You don't know your game history. Yes, this is how we deal with being outnumbered in our prime. We did it when BoB pulled their "there are no goons". Ever hear of VCBees? We conquered the other half of the galaxy when BoB had their massive superiority. This is not some kind of new thing. This has been a regular thing for the last decade. You don't know your game history. I don't give a crap about BoB who were led by idiots, but you vastly out-numbered them AND had help from Reds, NC and lots of other people. This current Goon mythology of "we conquered it all with rifters and our fighting spirit" is straight spin from the mouth of Mittens. And in the end, you still didn't win until someone disbanded BoB in one swoop.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1107	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:46:28 - [216] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Aiwha wrote: You're telling me GSF uses NO third party applications? None? No TS3, no POS managers, no IM clients, no forums? Zero? No, I'm saying they use no third party applications that convey a direct in-game benefit, such as how bots are banned for providing an unfair in-game benefit. You know exactly what I'm saying and you're attempting to be deliberately difficult, which is amusing since the only reason you're ding that is because you have no valid counterpoint. You know for a fact that a group or individual having an uncountable third party application that grants them income conveys an unfair benefit, but it benefits you so you're OK with it. Isaac Armer wrote: "My alliance was beaten thoroughly in a war, so the other guy obviously was cheating" Here's a picture of the only thing saltier than your posts http://i.imgur.com/nBz6Zys.png Swing and a miss buddy. Feel free to check over my post history to confirm my opinion that IWI and similar site should not be allowed goes back to LOOOONG before this war. I, unlike some of the posters here, don't base all of my opinions on personal circumstance, I do in fact look objectively at situations like this, and objectively it's a third party application giving a direct and unfair benefit. TS3, IM, and forums allow for coordination that is simply NOT POSSIBLE with just in-game tools. POS managers let you know when your starbase is under attack, when it needs fuel, when reactions are done, ALL without having to actually log into the game. Fitting tools let FC's theorycraft fleet comps out of game. Trading tools highlight market openings. Anybody can start a gambling platform. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=380793 Your team was just **** at it. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3486	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:47:01 - [217] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Aiwha wrote: You're telling me GSF uses NO third party applications? None? No TS3, no POS managers, no IM clients, no forums? Zero? No, I'm saying they use no third party applications that convey a direct in-game benefit, such as how bots are banned for providing an unfair in-game benefit. You know exactly what I'm saying and you're attempting to be deliberately difficult, which is amusing since the only reason you're ding that is because you have no valid counterpoint. You know for a fact that a group or individual having an uncountable third party application that grants them income conveys an unfair benefit, but it benefits you so you're OK with it. Isaac Armer wrote: "My alliance was beaten thoroughly in a war, so the other guy obviously was cheating" Here's a picture of the only thing saltier than your posts http://i.imgur.com/nBz6Zys.png Swing and a miss buddy. Feel free to check over my post history to confirm my opinion that IWI and similar site should not be allowed goes back to LOOOONG before this war. I, unlike some of the posters here, don't base all of my opinions on personal circumstance, I do in fact look objectively at situations like this, and objectively it's a third party application giving a direct and unfair benefit. How can you have been in The Imperium for more than 48hours without an understanding that we use out-of-game means to leverage an absolutely overwhelming advantage in game? Are you trolling or are you so stuck on your own argument you can't see this? Example: I want to make loads of money importing with no effort. Better only do it in game! Or, I guess I could use goonmetrics? Example: I want to optimize my hauling stuff. In game? No - I use GARPA Example: I want to flash-form 1200 nerds to come protect my in-game objective. Do I sit in chat channels dropping fleet invites? No, I send out a ping that goes to laptops / desktops and mobile phones around the globe. Arguing 'out of game' advantages are unfair when you are sitting on a massive pile of them is woefully hypocritical, and conveniently drawing a line to exclude all those as 'OK' but demonise the one that you don't have is just poor behaviour. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 120	Posted - 2016.04.14 19:47:32 - [218] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Swing and a miss buddy. Feel free to check over my post history to confirm my opinion that IWI and similar site should not be allowed goes back to LOOOONG before this war. I, unlike some of the posters here, don't base all of my opinions on personal circumstance, I do in fact look objectively at situations like this, and objectively it's a third party application giving a direct and unfair benefit. "you look objectively at situations" right, so you're against ALL 3rd party apps that help people in game then? Yes or no please. You wouldn't be hypocritical about this, would you?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:01:05 - [219] - Quote Aiwha wrote: TS3, IM, and forums allow for coordination that is simply NOT POSSIBLE with just in-game tools. POS managers let you know when your starbase is under attack, when it needs fuel, when reactions are done, ALL without having to actually log into the game. Fitting tools let FC's theorycraft fleet comps out of game. Trading tools highlight market openings. First off, you are wrong. EVE voice, chat channels and mailing lists all allow this coordination. Secondly, CCP have already stated that those applications don't provide what they consider an in-game benefit as they don't allow you to do or gain anything in game at an accelerated rate compared to normal gameplay. IWI clearly does. Once again though, thank's for desperately trying to throw up strawman arguments thus adding further validation to my points. Isaac Armer wrote: "you look objectively at situations" right, so you're against ALL 3rd party apps that help people in game then? Yes or no please. You wouldn't be hypocritical about this, would you? If it allows you to gain at an accelerated rate to normal gameplay or provides a direct in-game benefit with no counter, yes. I have a feeling I know where you're going with this and you're going to be pretty sad if you haven't done your homework right. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:03:58 - [220] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: How can you have been in The Imperium for more than 48hours without an understanding that we use out-of-game means to leverage an absolutely overwhelming advantage in game? Are you trolling or are you so stuck on your own argument you can't see this? Example: I want to make loads of money importing with no effort. Better only do it in game! Or, I guess I could use goonmetrics? Example: I want to optimize my hauling stuff. In game? No - I use GARPA Example: I want to flash-form 1200 nerds to come protect my in-game objective. Do I sit in chat channels dropping fleet invites? No, I send out a ping that goes to laptops / desktops and mobile phones around the globe. Arguing 'out of game' advantages are unfair when you are sitting on a massive pile of them is woefully hypocritical, and conveniently drawing a line to exclude all those as 'OK' but demonise the one that you don't have is just poor behaviour. Those and similar tools have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not provide a direct in-game benefit to the rate of item or currency acquisition. There's many I disagree with that they've OKed including once I use. EVE-O preview for example provides a massive benefit yet is explicitly allowed despite my protests and so gets used. It's not my fault if you're reading this thread and assuming it's my only opinion. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3486	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:07:37 - [221] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Those and similar tools have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not provide a direct in-game benefit to the rate of item or currency acquisition. There's many I disagree with that they've OKed including once I use. EVE-O preview for example provides a massive benefit yet is explicitly allowed despite my protests and so gets used. It's not my fault if you're reading this thread and assuming it's my only opinion. IWI and similar sites have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not break the rules. You can walk around this all day; there's simply no pre-text other than "I don't like it" at play here. You're grossly over-reaching, even for you. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3486	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:09:10 - [222] - Quote You're also misquoting the EULA to try to make it sound like it supports you. "ISK generation at an accelerated pace" refers to means of exploiting in-game systems to (surprise) generate more ISK than normal. Making a website to convince people to simply hand over their ISK doesn't generate anything. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 120	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:09:10 - [223] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: If it allows you to gain at an accelerated rate to normal gameplay or provides a direct in-game benefit with no counter, yes. I have a feeling I know where you're going with this and you're going to be pretty sad if you haven't done your homework right. If it lets you accelerate your rate of gameplay you are against it. Got it. So you are against TS3, zkillboard, ETF, evemon, evedroid and out of game pings for corps/allinaces then?
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1108	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:09:30 - [224] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: How can you have been in The Imperium for more than 48hours without an understanding that we use out-of-game means to leverage an absolutely overwhelming advantage in game? Are you trolling or are you so stuck on your own argument you can't see this? Example: I want to make loads of money importing with no effort. Better only do it in game! Or, I guess I could use goonmetrics? Example: I want to optimize my hauling stuff. In game? No - I use GARPA Example: I want to flash-form 1200 nerds to come protect my in-game objective. Do I sit in chat channels dropping fleet invites? No, I send out a ping that goes to laptops / desktops and mobile phones around the globe. Arguing 'out of game' advantages are unfair when you are sitting on a massive pile of them is woefully hypocritical, and conveniently drawing a line to exclude all those as 'OK' but demonise the one that you don't have is just poor behaviour. Those and similar tools have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not provide a direct in-game benefit to the rate of item or currency acquisition. There's many I disagree with that they've OKed including ones I use. EVE-O preview for example provides a massive benefit yet is explicitly allowed despite my protests and so gets used. It's not my fault if you're reading this thread and assuming it's my only opinion. Which IWI has also been vetted by CCP and deemed not to provide a direct in-game benefit! They said that gambling sites are okay as long as they follow certain rules and guidelines which IWI does indeed follow since they don't want to get somerblink'd. Khanh'rhh wrote: How can you have been in The Imperium for more than 48hours without an understanding that we use out-of-game means to leverage an absolutely overwhelming advantage in game? Are you trolling or are you so stuck on your own argument you can't see this? Example: I want to make loads of money importing with no effort. Better only do it in game! Or, I guess I could use goonmetrics? Example: I want to optimize my hauling stuff. In game? No - I use GARPA Example: I want to flash-form 1200 nerds to come protect my in-game objective. Do I sit in chat channels dropping fleet invites? No, I send out a ping that goes to laptops / desktops and mobile phones around the globe. Arguing 'out of game' advantages are unfair when you are sitting on a massive pile of them is woefully hypocritical, and conveniently drawing a line to exclude all those as 'OK' but demonise the one that you don't have is just poor behaviour. I see why goons aren't shedding any tears over SMA going to OR to die. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:17:42 - [225] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: IWI and similar sites have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not break the rules. No they haven't. As we found out before, CCP saying nothing is not the same as then being found to be fine. Khanh'rhh wrote: You can walk around this all day; there's simply no pre-text other than "I don't like it" at play here. You're grossly over-reaching, even for you. OK, so explain to my why you think that IWI is not facilitating the acquisition of currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play. Khanh'rhh wrote: You're also misquoting the EULA to try to make it sound like it supports you. "ISK generation at an accelerated pace" refers to means of exploiting in-game systems to (surprise) generate more ISK than normal. Making a website to convince people to simply hand over their ISK doesn't generate anything. No it doesn't, otherwise bot mining would probably not be against the rules and market bots most certainly wouldn't. Additionally no tool or bot can generate isk faster than the system will allow. Ratting bot's don't magically generate more isk than a manual ratter playing for the same amount of time. Isaac Armer wrote: If it lets you accelerate your rate of gameplay you are against it. Got it. So you are against TS3, zkillboard, ETF, evemon, evedroid and out of game pings for corps/allinaces then? That doesn't accelerate gameplay, they allow you to do out of game things out of game, and have all been vetted by CCP. Seriously, your desperation is pretty bad when you're going to "well if making trillions of isk from an application isn't OK, then clearly voice comms is just as bad!". The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:30:05 - [226] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: That doesn't accelerate gameplay, they allow you to do out of game things out of game, and have all been vetted by CCP. Seriously, your desperation is pretty bad when you're going to "well if making trillions of isk from an application isn't OK, then clearly voice comms is just as bad!". Are you being serious right now? Having voice comms instead of typing instructions to each other for fleet coordination doesn't accelerate gameplay in your mind? Being able to look up exactly what triggers hit to blitz missions instead of blindly guessing doesn't accelerate gameplay? Being able to pick a ship/fitting and have an app automatically give you the optimal training plan instead of poking around in game for hours to figure it out doesn't accelerate gameplay? Lucas "the hypocrite" Kell, everyone
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:36:40 - [227] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Are you being serious right now? Having voice comms instead of typing instructions to each other for fleet coordination doesn't accelerate gameplay in your mind? It's got nothing to do with my mind, it's CCPs mind. They've explicitly stated that as you can imagine voice comms are fine. The applications they have a problem with are ones that allow you to make in-game gains in an accelerated way compared to ordinary gameplay. Isaac Armer wrote: Being able to look up exactly what triggers hit to blitz missions instead of blindly guessing doesn't accelerate gameplay? No... that is gameplay. Isaac Armer wrote: Being able to pick a ship/fitting and have an app automatically give you the optimal training plan instead of poking around in game for hours to figure it out doesn't accelerate gameplay? Again, not by CCPs definition. Isaac Armer wrote: And hint: IWI has been vetted as OK by CCP. As far as I've seen I've not seen a word about it either way, and them not saying anything isn't them vetting it and it being fine. In addition any application they vet they have the right to change their mind on. Even if they said IWI is fine I would still protest against it. If you want you can feel free to protest against teamspeak if you want, that's your right. If you do, I won't even sit around hurling insults at you like you are at me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 229	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:39:28 - [228] - Quote The Goblin has some salient points to add to the conversation. Surely IwantISK was involved, but truth be told, long before Goblin started tooting his own horn, I had already seen the success of MOA and the abominable efficiency of the imperial PvP wing. I have unfortunately not found a killboard with filters (to remove highsec ganks) and proper kill value distribution (anti-whoring) but when examining ZKill closely the truth is out there. Anyone care to comment on Goblin's GRR Goons project? For if nothing else, it DID show blood in the water. IwantISK seems unrelated although they clearly benefited from the groundwork; they merely turned the snowball into an avalanche. While funding apparently helped, I also believe GSF has carebeared more than enough ISK for itself - and ergo, is not a valid point to yammer on about.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:41:37 - [229] - Quote you mean that guy who's really upset now that his grr goon agitprop has been swallowed up by louder grr goons Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33492	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:42:26 - [230] - Quote because he's totally not motivated by self-importance Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:43:17 - [231] - Quote Which is all well and good for the point about the war. I imagine either way at some point this would have happened (though nto really to do with Gevlon or MoA as they are laughably terrible, but I imagine TEST and PL would have done this anyway at some point). That however doesn't change the simple fact that outside of this war there is a player with a third party application giving him an advantage with no counter. Doesn't matter what alliance it is, if he picks a target there's no way they can do anything all the time their income can be countered and his can't. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1108	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:50:41 - [232] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Which is all well and good for the point about the war. I imagine either way at some point this would have happened (though nto really to do with Gevlon or MoA as they are laughably terrible, but I imagine TEST and PL would have done this anyway at some point). That however doesn't change the simple fact that outside of this war there is a player with a third party application giving him an advantage with no counter. Doesn't matter what alliance it is, if he picks a target there's no way they can do anything all the time their income can be countered and his can't. The counter is to make a better gambling site. Which goons, in classic goon fashion, failed miserably at. You could also infiltrate IWI and drain their corp wallets. But again, that requires competence and effort. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:02:25 - [233] - Quote Aiwha wrote: The counter is to make a better gambling site. So an out of game counter then. Just FYI, since you can't seem to post without grumbling about goons or insulting people I'm going to simply stop reading the moment you start going all spazzy. Saves me reading irrelevant drivel. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 229	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:04:12 - [234] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: their income can be countered and his can't. People rat and mine in NPC corps too. Counter? IWI didn't make ISK out of thin air; nor did everyone involved receive massive funding to shoot bees. People just don't like bees, it seems. To be perfectly candid with you, out of all people any argument from Goons concerning alleged cheats is laughable: it's been their modus operandi for aeons. To win a war you have to fight, which hasn't happened so far. You need not look any further than that. That said, what is it between you and IwantISK anyway? The war's already rolling, even if funding were cut right now the war would go on. Learning from past mistakes and looking forward is the way to go; not insisting it wasn't fair and there is no counter. I mean, damn son- your coalition is lead by a man who's not even subbed! We cannot even headshot your leaders in-game since they don't exist in-game, nor can we assault your lowsec retreat -- how about them apples?
Dreiden Kisada GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:06:32 - [235] - Quote Johnny ReeRee wrote: You don't know your game history. I don't give a crap about BoB who were led by idiots, but you vastly out-numbered them AND had help from Reds, NC and lots of other people. This current Goon mythology of "we conquered it all with rifters and our fighting spirit" is straight spin from the mouth of Mittens. And in the end, you still didn't win until someone disbanded BoB in one swoop. And why does Mit'tani take credit for that? Haargoth Agamar did the deed, while Tamir was the Goon who brought him into the fold and was the key to it all happening. That is some amazing revisionist history. We did not outnumber BoB and pets. And no, we didn't conquor it all with rifters. Where are you even getting this? Where does The Mittani take credit for Delve getting Haargothed? Whenever he tells the story, he says exactly what happened. Not like he did it. This can be a real discussion if you will please stop making stuff up. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: their income can be countered and his can't. IWI didn't make ISK out of thin air; nor did everyone involved receive massive funding to shoot bees. So I guess all that ISK IWI is giving the MBC is just for, what, party hats?
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1108	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:12:50 - [236] - Quote Dreiden Kisada wrote: Johnny ReeRee wrote: You don't know your game history. I don't give a crap about BoB who were led by idiots, but you vastly out-numbered them AND had help from Reds, NC and lots of other people. This current Goon mythology of "we conquered it all with rifters and our fighting spirit" is straight spin from the mouth of Mittens. And in the end, you still didn't win until someone disbanded BoB in one swoop. And why does Mit'tani take credit for that? Haargoth Agamar did the deed, while Tamir was the Goon who brought him into the fold and was the key to it all happening. That is some amazing revisionist history. We did not outnumber BoB and pets. And no, we didn't conquor it all with rifters. Where are you even getting this? Where does The Mittani take credit for Delve getting Haargothed? Whenever he tells the story, he says exactly what happened. Not like he did it. This can be a real discussion if you will please stop making stuff up. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: their income can be countered and his can't. IWI didn't make ISK out of thin air; nor did everyone involved receive massive funding to shoot bees. So I guess all that ISK IWI is giving the MBC is just for, what, party hats? We're spending ours on the largest single collection of prostitutes in EVE actually. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:17:11 - [237] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: IWI and similar sites have already been vetted by CCP and deemed to not break the rules. No they haven't. As we found out before, CCP saying nothing is not the same as then being found to be fine. Khanh'rhh wrote: You can walk around this all day; there's simply no pre-text other than "I don't like it" at play here. You're grossly over-reaching, even for you. OK, so explain to my why you think that IWI is not facilitating the acquisition of currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play. Khanh'rhh wrote: You're also misquoting the EULA to try to make it sound like it supports you. "ISK generation at an accelerated pace" refers to means of exploiting in-game systems to (surprise) generate more ISK than normal. Making a website to convince people to simply hand over their ISK doesn't generate anything. No it doesn't, otherwise bot mining would probably not be against the rules and market bots most certainly wouldn't. Additionally no tool or bot can generate isk faster than the system will allow. Ratting bot's don't magically generate more isk than a manual ratter playing for the same amount of time. Isaac Armer wrote: If it lets you accelerate your rate of gameplay you are against it. Got it. So you are against TS3, zkillboard, ETF, evemon, evedroid and out of game pings for corps/allinaces then? That doesn't accelerate gameplay, they allow you to do out of game things out of game, and have all been vetted by CCP. Seriously, your desperation is pretty bad when you're going to "well if making trillions of isk from an application isn't OK, then clearly voice comms is just as bad!". So you keep flapping around and claiming that the benefits of jabber, a system that allows communication / organisation of 40k people is "equal" to ingame chat and "offers no benefit". That if it aids ISK making and coalition building (and OH BOY does it) that it only does so as well as ingame chat. (jesus ...) Ok Ok so that is monumentally stupid but LETS JUST PRETEND IT IS TRUE OK?? So you must ergo assume that if you make a chat channel, and call it "Lukas wants ISK" and use it to organise a betting pool. A betting pool where the house makes a steady profit. That you have therefore completely recreated IWI ingame and ERGO in your silly little "NO APPLES EQUAL ORANGES WHEN I SAY SO" IWI doesn't have any benefits to simply just doing the same in game, it just makes it easier (like jabber, teamspeak, fitting tools, market analysis ....) Can you now do your silly little dance and conveniently define your 'third party' problem around this concept. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:19:42 - [238] - Quote Lukas can you explain how being able to message my mobile phone 24/7 offers no benefit from ingame chat, a system only accessible when signed into Eve online on a PC? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:20:12 - [239] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: As far as I've seen I've not seen a word about it either way, and them not saying anything isn't them vetting it and it being fine. In addition any application they vet they have the right to change their mind on. Even if they said IWI is fine I would still protest against it. If you want you can feel free to protest against teamspeak if you want, that's your right. If you do, I won't even sit around hurling insults at you like you are at me. You're still sticking with the story that voice comms don't accelerate gameplay? Go on a roam and only use in game chat. Let me know how it goes. Let me know if you're as effective, and as efficient in gameplay. The mental gymnastics you are going through to justify what you say is nothing short of impressive. It's gameplay to use the 3rd party apps that you like, but it's cheating to use the 3rd party apps that you don't. I'm not insulting you, I just pointed out the logical flaws in what you said. You've yet to justify the hypocrisy in your views. IWI's income can be countered. Start a competing service and take away his clients. What's stopping you?
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:21:34 - [240] - Quote Someone just pinged me about an incursion in 0.0 Obviously I can't now sign into Eve and make money doing that, as doing so would be making ISK with information gained from a 3rd party system. If however I heard about it in-game I can do it. These are logical and sensible rules. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:23:58 - [241] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: People rat and mine in NPC corps too. Counter? Gank their ratting ship. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: IWI didn't make ISK out of thin air; nor did everyone involved receive massive funding to shoot bees. People just don't like bees, it seems. Market bots don't make isk out of thin air. I have nor problem with people hating bees. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: To be perfectly candid with you, out of all people any argument from Goons concerning alleged cheats is laughable: it's been their modus operandi for aeons. To win a war you have to fight, which hasn't happened so far. You need not look any further than that. Well I'm not a goon. That said I don't remember the MO of goons being cheating Brokk Witgenstein wrote: That said, what is it between you and IwantISK anyway? The war's already rolling, even if funding were cut right now the war would go on. Learning from past mistakes and looking forward is the way to go; not insisting it wasn't fair and there is no counter. Check post history, I've always been against these sites. I've known for a long time that these sites cause issues and open wide gaps for RMT, all this war has done is open my eyes to how bad the imbalance is already. You keep flipping this over to goons, but if IWI picked any alliance they'd stand no chance. Being in a game knowing full well that someone with out of game tools can just roflstomp you whenever they feel like and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it is pretty lame. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: I mean, damn son- your coalition is lead by a man who's not even subbed! We cannot even headshot your leaders in-game since they don't exist in-game, nor can we assault your lowsec retreat -- how about them apples? What coalition? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:32:35 - [242] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: Sperg I'm not reading all of that, but no, I'm saying CCP have specifically OKed programs like jabber, but if you feel they offer an unfair advantage, please by all means raise it on the forum or directly with CCP. Isaac Armer wrote: You're still sticking with the story that voice comms don't accelerate gameplay? No, not compared with normal gameplay because voice comms are built into the game. Also, once again, CCP have explicitly allowed external voice comms, but I welcome you to petition that with CCP or push for it on the forum. Isaac Armer wrote: IWI's income can be countered. Start a competing service and take away his clients. What's stopping you? That's an out of game counter. If EVE is in a state where to counter your enemy you have to use out of game services then it's pretty dire. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.14 21:51:57 - [243] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: That's an out of game counter. If EVE is in a state where to counter your enemy you have to use out of game services then it's pretty dire. So it's pretty dire that you have to use zKillboard, you have to use slack/etc to ping corpmates, you have to use out of game comms (go on a roam with only in game comms and tell me how it went compared to TS3). You're a station trader, right? Go the next month without using a single out of game spreadsheet or market tool and let me know how effective you are at making ISK.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:00:49 - [244] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: Sperg I'm not reading all of that Pretty sure you did read it, which is why you have no reply. I have no idea why you think IWI "generates" ISK. On a basic level do you not understand where the ISK comes from? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:01:45 - [245] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: So it's pretty dire that you have to use zKillboard, you have to use slack/etc to ping corpmates, you have to use out of game comms (go on a roam with only in game comms and tell me how it went compared to TS3). You're a station trader, right? Go the next month without using a single out of game spreadsheet or market tool and let me know how effective you are at making ISK. But you don't have to use any of those things. There's certainly no game mechanics that require a player to use those to counter gameplay, and when a player is using one of those they don't become uncounterable to players who aren't using them. And mate, I've been playing since practically the beginning of time. While I use some tools to track and report on progress, the vast majority of what I trade I do without tools. It would be no problem to stop using them for a month. Hell, I could make a fair chunk of my income flipping plex, skill injectors and skill extractors alone and they most certainly require no tools to run. You probably want to pick a tougher task than that if you;re trying to make a point. I don't disagree though that some tools do give an advantage, even tools I do use like eve-o preview for multiboxing for example. I've even tried to push for them to be disallowed too. All I'm saying is that IWI is another one and it does so in a much more powerful and uncounterable way than people looking at ZKB. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:06:09 - [246] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: Pretty sure you did read it, which is why you have no reply. Nope, the moment you start going all hurfy I stop reading as it's undoubtedly going to be a waste of time. You want to present realistic arguments without attacks, insults and condescending attitude, great, if not expect to get huge chunks of your post ignored. Khanh'rhh wrote: I have no idea why you think IWI "generates" ISK. On a basic level do you not understand where the ISK comes from? Market bots don't "generate" ISK. Should they be allowed? Also, you need to reread the EULA. Here, I'll post it for you and highlight it. Quote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:08:57 - [247] - Quote Ok so here's your next post to ignore "without attacks, insults and condescending attitude" You can re-create IWI in-game by creating chat channels and inviting participants to play the same games under the same basic rules and rewards. It would make money much slower, but it would be the same mechanism. Likewise, you can use only in-game chat to organise a coalition of 40k people. It would be much less effective than jabber but would be the same basic mechanism. Please explain why one is OK and one is not. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Shayla Etherodyne United Nations Industrial Holdings 14	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:09:56 - [248] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: Are you being serious right now? Having voice comms instead of typing instructions to each other for fleet coordination doesn't accelerate gameplay in your mind? It's got nothing to do with my mind, it's CCPs mind. They've explicitly stated that as you can imagine voice comms are fine. The applications they have a problem with are ones that allow you to make in-game gains in an accelerated way compared to ordinary gameplay. Scams get exactly the same result as gambling houses. You are against scams?
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:11:12 - [249] - Quote tl;dr - your defence of other third party addons is you "could" do them ingame, even though it is massively less efficient to do so, and no one does. I am defending IWI with the same argument, you "could" do it in game. Therefore in your logic, it must be OK. FYI this is pretty much QED because such gambling games existed in eve before the API came along and allowed them to move to 3rd party solutions. You're arguing something can't exist that absolutely has in the past. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:23:05 - [250] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: You can re-create IWI in-game by creating chat channels and inviting participants to play the same games under the same basic rules and rewards. It would make money much slower, but it would be the same mechanism. So then you agree that using the third party software IWI is able to acquire ISK an an accelerated rate to "normal gameplay"? Khanh'rhh wrote: Please explain why one is OK and one is not. Because one allows you to acquire ISK at an accelerated rate and the other does not. Once again though I agree that they both provide a benefit, I just disagree with the level ant type of benefit given by sites like IWI much more than I disagree with the level and type of benefits of a messaging program. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:25:28 - [251] - Quote All 3rd party tools allow you to make ISK at an accelerated rate. You just chose to ignore my examples. Trying again: 3rd party market scrapers API linked spreadsheets Travel planners Jabber TS3 Mumble "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:28:28 - [252] - Quote FWIW all eve trillionaires basically got there by leveraging 3rd party tools to process market data more rapidly than "normal gameplay" allows. This is why it's just so so silly that you think IWI is the one example of this. You are trying really really hard to create a definition where they're bad, and everything else that you want is OK, and it's so painfully transparent I don't think you have even convinced yourself yet, which is why you keep skipping posts that point out the contradiction. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:29:34 - [253] - Quote Shayla Etherodyne wrote: Scams get exactly the same result as gambling houses. You are against scams? Nope, I'm fine with in game mechanics being used. Try slinging up a scam using a website to show pretend wallet transactions from the API as proof that you're doubling isk though, see how long your first ban is. Khanh'rhh wrote: tl;dr - your defence of other third party addons is you "could" do them ingame, even though it is massively less efficient to do so, and no one does. I am defending IWI with the same argument, you "could" do it in game. Therefore in your logic, it must be OK. FYI this is pretty much QED because such gambling games existed in eve before the API came along and allowed them to move to 3rd party solutions. You're arguing something can't exist that absolutely has in the past. No, I'm arguing that if they are to exist they should only exist in game and not through third party applications which by your own admission make them faster at acquiring ISK. Honestly I'd be much happier if everything was in game so the playing field was the same across the board, but I can see why that would be an unrealistic prospect, so I'll settle for getting rid of the worst offending applications. IWI is one, EVE-O preview is another. Ed: Dude, you are going ham on that strawman. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.14 22:40:38 - [254] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: FWIW all eve trillionaires basically got there by leveraging 3rd party tools to process market data more rapidly than "normal gameplay" allows. Definitely not all. Loads got here through patch speculation and plex flipping which requires no tools, a bunch through T2 BPO "lotteries", another bunch through large scale alliance thefts and scams, not to mention AT ship winners. Khanh'rhh wrote: This is why it's just so so silly that you think IWI is the one example of this. You are trying really really hard to create a definition where they're bad, and everything else that you want is OK, and it's so painfully transparent I don't think you have even convinced yourself yet, which is why you keep skipping posts that point out the contradiction. I didn't say it's the one example I said it's the worst example, and it's one of the few that does it so directly. You're working with extremes, likely because it makes it easy for you to argue by taking my argument sticking it right at the end of the spectrum then hammering at it as if that's where I've been arguing. As for it being so "painfully transparent" that I just want to keep stuff I want, it would seem strange to me that there's been two main targets on my list for a while, one of which is EVE-O preview I use every day. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3487	Posted - 2016.04.14 23:02:43 - [255] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: No, I'm arguing that if they are to exist they should only exist in game and not through third party applications which by your own admission make them faster at acquiring ISK. Honestly I'd be much happier if everything was in game so the playing field was the same across the board, but I can see why that would be an unrealistic prospect, so I'll settle for getting rid of the worst offending applications. IWI is one, EVE-O preview is another. Ed: Dude, you are going ham on that strawman. It's not a strawman, because it's not a false ******* argument. Other 3rd party tools that offer much larger advantages than what IWI have built exist. Have existed for years. Have been ruled OK. IWI [gambling sites in general] has been ruled OK. Why then do you go on these silly little rants about "cheating" and how it can't be countered. The exact same situation applies in all other 3rd party tools. An alliance that tried to organise without a single out-of-game communications platform would have absolutely no chance against one that did. IWI's ISK has not been a massive factor in this war. A good push to make it happen, perhaps, but it was largely inevitable and the results would have been the same. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.15 00:07:15 - [256] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: It's not a strawman, because it's not a false ***** argument. Other 3rd party tools that offer much larger advantages than what IWI have built exist. Have existed for years. Have been ruled OK. IWI [gambling sites in general] has been ruled OK. It's a strawman because you're arguing against things I've not said. In your opinion maybe other applications give more benefit, but in reality no other third party application has done what IWI is still doing. There's no point in people even attempting to go against someone that has such a high and unassailable method of income pushed from an out of game tool. You disagree with that, fine, but that's your opinion vs mine, that's all. Not that up until last year ISBoxer was ruled as fine too. Khanh'rhh wrote: Why then do you go on these silly little rants about "cheating" and how it can't be countered. The exact same situation applies in all other 3rd party tools. Sigh... No. You're trying to say "oh but voice comms are fine so making trillions of isk from a third party application is also fine". Khanh'rhh wrote:** IWI's ISK has not been a massive factor in this war. A good push to make it happen, perhaps, but it was largely inevitable and the results would have been the same. I didn't say it had, in fact I specifically stated that this war plays only a minro role in the shaping of my opinions. Learn to read. Honestly though mate I'm not going to argue with you if you're keep firing out fallacies at a rate of knots. You have a valid counterpoint, great, I'd love to here it, but if this sheer desperation is the best you've got then I thank you for supporting my point. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Mario Putzo 1648	Posted - 2016.04.15 03:55:51 - [257] - Quote LOL Guy IWI gets its ISK from players it is 100% generated through normal gameplay. IWI doesn't print ISK, it collects isk from player deposits. Like for real dude. The argument is ridiculous. If it violated CCP rules it would have been shut down...especially in the wake of Somer Blink, and an investigation for RMT. Your argument is absolutely ridiculous, and border line ********. 6 months ago IWI wasn't a problem, your alliance was a stake holder for christ sake. IWI generates 0 ISK. Every ISK is from a player who generated it in game through normal means.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 229	Posted - 2016.04.15 04:54:14 - [258] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Market bots don't "generate" ISK. Should they be allowed? No, but not because they don't generate ISK. We don't want bots nor ISBoxers because we want to compete against players in this sandbox. What are you even arguing? Stuff that generates ISK should be banned? Players DO generate ISK, shall we ban those then? At least put some finesse in your arguments, man.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 191	Posted - 2016.04.15 05:00:10 - [259] - Quote Lol. Lucas head explosion again. When you get your brain back in your head, use duct-tape to seal the hole back up.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 150	Posted - 2016.04.15 05:32:11 - [260] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Honestly though mate I'm not going to argue with you if you're keep firing out fallacies at a rate of knots. You have a valid counterpoint, great, I'd love to here it, but if this sheer desperation is the best you've got then I thank you for supporting my point. Pot, meet kettle. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.15 07:03:19 - [261] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Guy IWI gets its ISK from players it is 100% generated through normal gameplay. IWI doesn't print ISK, it collects isk from player deposits Nowhere on the EULA does it say the acquisition of items or currency has to be by generating it for it to be against the rules. It simply states that if a third party application allows you to aquire it at an accelerated rate to normal gameplay, it#s not allowed, and there's no what you can say that through normal gameplay with no site IWI would acquire isk at the same rate. Mario Putzo wrote: 6 months ago IWI wasn't a problem Sure it was, go check my post history. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: No, but not because they don't generate ISK. We don't want bots nor ISBoxers because we want to compete against players in this sandbox. That's exactly the same damn argument for IWI lol. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: What are you even arguing? Stuff that generates ISK should be banned? Players DO generate ISK, shall we ban those then? At least put some finesse in your arguments, man. I'm arguing that what the rules say should be enforced. If the use of a third pary application allows you to acquire items or currency at an accelerated rate to a normal player playing without tools, then it gives an unfair advantage and shouldn't be allowed. Why is it that even though IWI does exactly that you feel it should be exempt from the rules? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 230	Posted - 2016.04.15 07:13:24 - [262] - Quote As I were browsing through the forums, I found another thread bogged down by the exact same poster on the exact same topic. I wish to hear more about the frontline, the entosis operations, what's happening next and how all of this impacts EvE - not some endless whine about some barbarian Troll invasion with LOLtimers. Please.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 150	Posted - 2016.04.15 08:32:45 - [263] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: As I were browsing through the forums, I found another thread bogged down by the exact same poster on the exact same topic. I wish to hear more about the frontline, the entosis operations, what's happening next and how all of this impacts EvE - not some endless whine about some barbarian Troll invasion with LOLtimers. Please. That is his thing. He even got the "decline turning into RAPID" locked twice by derailing, leading to other people flaming him. many pages were purged from that threat. You have to acknowledge, that he is good at what he does. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7480	Posted - 2016.04.15 09:37:43 - [264] - Quote sero Hita wrote: That is his thing. He even got the "decline turning into RAPID" locked twice by derailing, leading to other people flaming him. many pages were purged from that threat. You have to acknowledge, that he is good at what he does. Other people being incapable of having a simple discussion without attacking other posters or losing their temper has nowt to do with me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.15 13:59:20 - [265] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: But you don't have to use any of those things. There's certainly no game mechanics that require a player to use those to counter gameplay, and when a player is using one of those they don't become uncounterable to players who aren't using them. And mate, I've been playing since practically the beginning of time. While I use some tools to track and report on progress, the vast majority of what I trade I do without tools. It would be no problem to stop using them for a month. Hell, I could make a fair chunk of my income flipping plex, skill injectors and skill extractors alone and they most certainly require no tools to run. You probably want to pick a tougher task than that if you;re trying to make a point. I don't disagree though that some tools do give an advantage, even tools I do use like eve-o preview for multiboxing for example. I've even tried to push for them to be disallowed too. All I'm saying is that IWI is another one and it does so in a much more powerful and uncounterable way than people looking at ZKB. So you admit that the outside tools you use give you an advantage. You ARE a hypocrite. You can't flat-out admit I am right then say "you want to pick a toughter task" Sure you don't HAVE to use TS3/zkillboard/slack, but that was your point. You are whining that the site gives IWI an advantage. He doesn't HAVE to use that site to run gambling in EVE, just like you don't HAVE to use TS3/killboards/slack to PvP, but it gives you an advantage. Stop cherry picking 3rd party apps that you don't like. If you have been 'playing since practically the beginning of time' you would realize what a BS thing it is to say there is no counter. Start a competing service, put him out of business. Why do you think IWI called somer competition? Because it was a direct threat to his business. There is a counter, but let's face it mate, you're either incapable or unwilling to put the effort in to use the counter, so you whine instead. Lucas Kell wrote: So then you agree that using the third party software IWI is able to acquire ISK an an accelerated rate to "normal gameplay"? So then you agree that using third party software major coalitions can organize and mobilize for PvP action at an accelerated rate to "normal gameplay"? Lucas Kell wrote: Other people being incapable of having a simple discussion without attacking other posters or losing their temper has nowt to do with me. I'm not sure if I should shake your hand for being this good of a troll, or shake my head wondering "why"?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.15 14:10:34 - [266] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: So you admit that the outside tools you use give you an advantage. You ARE a hypocrite. You can't flat-out admit I am right then say "you want to pick a toughter task" Repeatedly calling someone a hypocrite doesn't make it so. You're throwing up arguments I've not made and making comparisons as if all third party application have the same level of benefit. At no point have I sat around saying "no third party tools give any advantage", I've simply pointed out that the types and degrees of advantage differ. Are you seriously suggesting that teamspeak gives as much of an unfair advantage as IWI? One is freely available to all players at the click of a button and allows marginally faster communication than the already existing voice communication built into EVE, and the other is available only to players with a certain out of game skillset and allows the acquisition of trillions of isk with no in-game counter. At this point it can only be that you are trolling. Quite honestly though if you can't even keep it civil I have no time for you. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13899	Posted - 2016.04.15 14:17:28 - [267] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: As I were browsing through the forums, I found another thread bogged down by the exact same poster on the exact same topic. I wish to hear more about the frontline, the entosis operations, what's happening next and how all of this impacts EvE - not some endless whine about some barbarian Troll invasion with LOLtimers. Please. That is his thing. He even got the "decline turning into RAPID" locked twice by derailing, leading to other people flaming him. many pages were purged from that threat. You have to acknowledge, that he is good at what he does. The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.15 14:29:18 - [268] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Repeatedly calling someone a hypocrite doesn't make it so. You're throwing up arguments I've not made and making comparisons as if all third party application have the same level of benefit. At no point have I sat around saying "no third party tools give any advantage", I've simply pointed out that the types and degrees of advantage differ. Are you seriously suggesting that teamspeak gives as much of an unfair advantage as IWI? One is freely available to all players at the click of a button and allows marginally faster communication than the already existing voice communication built into EVE, and the other is available only to players with a certain out of game skillset and allows the acquisition of trillions of isk with no in-game counter. At this point it can only be that you are trolling. Quite honestly though if you can't even keep it civil I have no time for you. Are you honestly saying major coalitions could have taken and held the space in sov null that they did without extensive use of out of game 3rd party tools? If I am a dynamic personality capable of generating rhetoric and storylines that lead people to give me ISK for the pure value of entertainment (CODE, for example) that leads to a huge amount of ISK donated, should that not be allowed now too? After all, it's relying on an out of game skillset that those without cannot counter in-game. You say IWI has an unfair advantage. That's flat out irrelevant. EVE isn't fair. Deal with it. That comes with the territory. Can you actually respond to everything I said, instead of deflecting and ignoring it by saying what you did in your last line? If you don't have a decent response, just own up to it already.
Mario Putzo 1650	Posted - 2016.04.15 15:24:15 - [269] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Guy IWI gets its ISK from players it is 100% generated through normal gameplay. IWI doesn't print ISK, it collects isk from player deposits Nowhere on the EULA does it say the acquisition of items or currency has to be by generating it for it to be against the rules. It simply states that if a third party application allows you to aquire it at an accelerated rate to normal gameplay, it#s not allowed, and there's no what you can say that through normal gameplay with no site IWI would acquire isk at the same rate. Are you intentionally being stupid, or is it just an everyday defect you deal with? Seems to me your issue lies with "Give ISK" in game function and not with IWI tbh. I can ask 1000 people to give me ISK, and if every one of them gave me 1B, I just made 1T so that is bad right? What about Gevlon Goblin donating 700B to MoA yesterday, is that against the EULA to because MoA didn't actually earn that ISK themselves through normal means, it was deposited into their wallet using the "Give ISK" in game function. Or are you hung up on the whole "third party" thing that encourages giving of ISK. What of the guys who write for TMC for example, they get paid in ISK. They didn't do anything in game for it, but yet they are receiving ISK for contributing to a third party, is that also against the EULA? Or what about streamers who get ISK donations from their viewers all the time, should that also be banned because they are accumulating DONATED ISK through the "Give ISK" in game function, from other players. The idiocy on display here man...I tell ya its a whole new level.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.15 15:45:51 - [270] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Are you honestly saying major coalitions could have taken and held the space in sov null that they did without extensive use of out of game 3rd party tools? No, I'm saying that there's a difference between an advantage and and unfair advantage, CCP have stated this themselves when talking about the exact same applications you are talking about. You're the one pretending I'm saying that they offer no benefit, because you're trying to suggest that if I don't want TS3 removed then I'm a hypocrite for wanting anything removed, even though there's a clear difference between the players able to take advantage of the different applications and clear difference in the level of benefit provided by them. That's the equivalent of saying that if I support the death penalty for mass murderers but don't for people who swear in public then I'm a hypocrite because I have sworn in public before. Out of curiosity, when CCP were making this exact same distinction between ISBoxer and TS3, why were you not in there calling CCP hypocrites? Isaac Armer wrote: If I am a dynamic personality capable of generating rhetoric and storylines that lead people to give me ISK for the pure value of entertainment (CODE, for example) that leads to a huge amount of ISK donated, should that not be allowed now too?After all, it's relying on an out of game skillset that those without cannot counter in-game. You say IWI has an unfair advantage. That's flat out irrelevant. EVE isn't fair. Deal with it. That comes with the territory. Sure you can if you want to sit ingame sing your mad socialising skills to gather trillions in donations, go nuts, that is in-game behaviour. If however you need to build a 3rd party application which then gives you a massively accelerated rate of income, you should expect to be stopped because it's pulls the game out of balance. Isaac Armer wrote: Can you actually respond to everything I said, instead of deflecting and ignoring it by saying what you did in your last line? If you don't have a decent response, just own up to it already. That's rather amusing considering you've spent most of your time not actually responding to my points but responding instead to points you have made up and pretended I've said. Mario, I won't respond to attacks. Try keeping the discussion civil if you actually want me to read your posts. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.15 15:54:27 - [271] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: No, I'm saying that there's a difference between an advantage and and unfair advantage, CCP have stated this themselves when talking about the exact same applications you are talking about. You're the one pretending I'm saying that they offer no benefit, because you're trying to suggest that if I don't want TS3 removed then I'm a hypocrite for wanting anything removed, even though there's a clear difference between the players able to take advantage of the different applications and clear difference in the level of benefit provided by them. That's the equivalent of saying that if I support the death penalty for mass murderers but don't for people who swear in public then I'm a hypocrite because I have sworn in public before. Out of curiosity, when CCP were making this exact same distinction between ISBoxer and TS3, why were you not in there calling CCP hypocrites? Do you even listen to yourself? Something passing keystrokes to a client allowing multiple clients to be controlled simultaneously is now the same thing as someone coming up with a creative marketing idea (ie, gambling)? Zero isk has been made out of game, zero percent of IWI's service has had isk trade hands through botting/non-direct player to player action. Stop complaining mate. reductio ad absurdum doesn't suit you well either bud. Quote: Sure you can if you want to sit ingame sing your mad socialising skills to gather trillions in donations, go nuts, that is in-game behaviour. If however you need to build a 3rd party application which then gives you a massively accelerated rate of income, you should expect to be stopped because it's pulls the game out of balance. Did you even read what I wrote? Storytelling/rhetoric is an out of game, real life skill that many people simply don't have. We need to shut down anyone who creates a dynamic character and earns isk from it because they are utilizing an out of game skill that not everyone has! how unfair! Let's please shut down all of the imperiums's out of game management tools, since those are giving them an unfair accelerated rate of income, yeah? "pulls the game out of balance" You're as bad as the anti-bumping crowd complaing about the part of the game they don't like being 'game breaking' Quote: That's rather amusing considering you've spent most of your time not actually responding to my points but responding instead to points you have made up and pretended I've said. Mario, I won't respond to attacks. Try keeping the discussion civil if you actually want me to read your posts. So that's a no then. Gotcha. Every point you don't have an answer to you dodge and hide behind claiming it was an attack. When you want to talk seriously and actually respond to the points I made, instead of parroting the same thing over and over, shoot me a message.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.15 16:10:39 - [272] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Do you even listen to yourself? Something passing keystrokes to a client allowing multiple clients to be controlled simultaneously is now the same thing as someone coming up with a creative marketing idea (ie, gambling)? I didn;t say they are the same thing, I said they both convey an unfair advantage using a third party tool. HEre, a really simple question. If IWI were not allowed their website, would they be able to make as much ISK as they do from donations without it? Isaac Armer wrote: Did you even read what I wrote? Storytelling/rhetoric is an out of game, real life skill that many people simply don't have. We need to shut down anyone who creates a dynamic character and earns isk from it because they are utilizing an out of game skill that not everyone has! how unfair! What was that you were just saying about reductio ad absurdum? You're now suggesting that because players can tell stories in game and make ISK that it's the equivalent of someone making a third party tool to make ISK. Isaac Armer wrote: Let's please shut down all of the imperiums's out of game management tools, since those are giving them an unfair accelerated rate of income, yeah? According to CCP when this exact same question was posed to them, no, because everyone has the same tools and the advantages are minimal. That's different from a single dude making trillions of ISK from a third party application. Isaac Armer wrote: When you want to talk seriously and actually respond to the points I made, instead of parroting the same thing over and over, shoot me a message. When you actually make a point that isn't a response to something I've not said or want to stop with comparisons you know are ridiculous, like comparing a website that acquires trillions of isk with third party voice comms freely available to all, let me know. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7472	Posted - 2016.04.15 17:07:59 - [273] - Quote Lucas. This is like watching a friend get a head injury. Just drop it. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 722	Posted - 2016.04.15 18:41:53 - [274] - Quote Lucas, we're all terrible people and are guilty of everything they accuse us of. There's no real need to defend or justify anything. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 54	Posted - 2016.04.15 19:13:41 - [275] - Quote Between reading TMC and skimming reddit, this war is taking up a lot of my eve-related reading time. :)
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 153	Posted - 2016.04.15 20:55:06 - [276] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster. Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3491	Posted - 2016.04.15 21:27:02 - [277] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: sero Hita wrote: That is his thing. He even got the "decline turning into RAPID" locked twice by derailing, leading to other people flaming him. many pages were purged from that threat. You have to acknowledge, that he is good at what he does. Other people being incapable of having a simple discussion without attacking other posters or losing their temper has nowt to do with me. On the last 3 pages, I count ~20 personal insults handed out by you, whilst whining about people insulting you. On the last 3 pages, I count multiple tools able to give an ingame advantage that you use cited as 'OK', whilst whining about one you don't have. So hey I guess at least you're consistently hypocritical. By the way, since you're misusing the term constantly, this is what a strawman argument looks like: Lucas Kell wrote: You're the one pretending I'm saying that they offer no benefit, because you're trying to suggest that if I don't want TS3 removed then I'm a hypocrite for wanting anything removed, even though there's a clear difference between the players able to take advantage of the different applications and clear difference in the level of benefit provided by them. That's the equivalent of saying that if I support the death penalty for mass murderers but don't for people who swear in public then I'm a hypocrite because I have sworn in public before "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 447	Posted - 2016.04.15 21:30:05 - [278] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster. Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost This formidable, I didn't know you could do that. Excellent. Was scrolling down most of what he was writing anyway. Sneaky bastard.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3491	Posted - 2016.04.15 21:31:08 - [279] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: like comparing a website that acquires trillions of isk with third party voice comms freely available to all, let me know. All the website does is point the results of a game of chance to a particular character. For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.15 23:20:07 - [280] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: All the website does is point the results of a game of chance to a particular character. All it does is allow acquisition of isk at a faster rate than normal gameplay without that application. If the site were no longer allowed, they would not be able to achieve that same level of income, proving that it breaches that part of the EULA. Khanh'rhh wrote: For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it. Then feel free to push for jabber to be banned if you really think it gives as unfair an advantage. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 238	Posted - 2016.04.15 23:34:34 - [281] - Quote I think CCP welcomes emergent gameplay.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3495	Posted - 2016.04.15 23:58:50 - [282] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Khanh'rhh wrote: For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it. Then feel free to push for jabber to be banned if you really think it gives as unfair an advantage. I think jabber is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. I think IWI is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. This is what a post without hypocrisy looks like. Do you want to try to make one? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3495	Posted - 2016.04.15 23:59:41 - [283] - Quote Also your post was another strawman :colbert: "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3495	Posted - 2016.04.16 00:03:46 - [284] - Quote To be honest Lukas I'm giving you ** because your posting reminds me of some embarrassing posts I made when I was about 12 and used to have no idea when I had lost an argument. Like remember when you see pictures you took in 1998 and think "arggghhh ** cringe"? Yeah that's these posts. I would just stick with it in the hopes people would give up and I could somehow not have lost the argument if I could find some semantic hook to lean on. I got better~~ Problem here, is you're too willing to make conflicting statements in the same literal post so it's a genuine mystery to me whether you don't literally see your own hypocrisy or you think your posting is good enough to hide it (it isn't). I'll think about it later and let you know what I think would be the better outcome. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.16 00:20:54 - [285] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: I think jabber is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. I think IWI is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. This is what a post without hypocrisy looks like. Do you want to try to make one? Already have bro. I think the advantages gained by IWI are significantly larger than the advantages given by jabber and are availabe to a much more limited group, both of which makes it an unfair advantage. It's only hypocrisy if I don't see a difference between the two yet still want one banned. The funny thing is there's nothing you can say that changes the simple fact that if IWI had the third party application disallowed they would not be able to make the ludicrous amounts of isk they do, proving my point. You're the one then throwing jabber in the mix and claiming that if I don't share your opinion that jabber is just as bad and don't also push for the removal of jabber, that I'm a hypocrite. There is no way of explaining it more clearly than that, yet undoubtedly you'll be back swinging and missing next time. Khanh'rhh wrote: To be honest Lukas I'm giving you ** because... You're giving me ** because you're a troll, plain and simple. I've seen it in your past posts and I see it here. If that's how you want to roll though, go ahead. vOv While we're being so honest, if these are your attempts at adult posts... Never not triple post when rageposting though. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4456	Posted - 2016.04.16 00:29:32 - [286] - Quote A couple of years ago, when CFC was in its prime and had pretty much "won" EVE, there was a thread right here about something like "Is there any way to defeat Goons?' Some insightful Goon member said, "Well, there's some risk that boredom might kill us." I can understand that. Dogs need exercise, sitting around in a para-blue donut world is not good for keeping muscle and mind tone primed up, for anybody. The Imperium thing looked so incredibly hokey to me from the beginning that was almost disbelievable. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it. It was like going culturally and IQ-ly backwards, into WOW world. Just saying, an outsider. I have empathy, but not sympathy, for goonlords with their ceilings falling in around their ears. A newbro who lost his first mining ship to gankers feels about the same. Still don't understand why an organization as big as CFC would bother to encourage and fund that high sec small ISK and many, many micro-dramas stuff. Maybe to keep your rank and file busy and give them an outlet for... stuff. Hard to watch the emotion-spilling, and not think about (shite, I'm going to say it), enjoyable repeated persecution of a depressed and vulnerable player. And making a Power Point about it. Add to that some 10s of thousands of n00b Retrievers. ___________, please! HTFU. That's your spiel from way back, here you go. (That said, I say salute to the Goons rank and file I've met doing their thing in their quiet home basement. Pretty laid back guys, and some pretty sly ironical funny).
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1117	Posted - 2016.04.16 04:26:45 - [287] - Quote Chribba abuses veldsparr to make more isk than any other player could hope to. NERF CHRIBBA. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11568	Posted - 2016.04.16 08:30:20 - [288] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: All it does is allow acquisition of isk at a faster rate than normal gameplay without that application. If the site were no longer allowed, they would not be able to achieve that same level of income, proving that it breaches that part of the EULA. the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.16 08:46:30 - [289] - Quote Andski wrote: the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay No it doesn't it talks about using a third party application to facilitate accelerated acquisition. Since without that application IWI would not be able to acquire isk that fast, then the application is what facilitates that. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 192	Posted - 2016.04.16 08:50:22 - [290] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Andski wrote: the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay No it doesn't it talks about using a third party application to facilitate accelerated acquisition. Since without that application IWI would not be able to acquire isk that fast, then the application is what facilitates that. For all this hurf blurf in the forum, you could have actually spent the time undocked fighting. No need to QQ all over the place because IWI paid lowsec scrubs to kick you out of your home. Can't beat em? Whinge about em instead. How the mighty (or maybe never were) have dipped to some very low points.

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7482	Posted - 2016.04.16 08:58:43 - [291] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: For all this hurf blurf in the forum, you could have actually spent the time undocked fighting. I can actually multitask, I've been undocked. Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Can't beat em? Whinge about em instead. How the mighty (or maybe never were) have dipped to some very low points. Nobody can beat them, that's what happens when someone is basically allowed to cheat, they win the game and noone can do a thing to stop them. You're happy now because their target is goons and you've got some stick up your ass about goons, but IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.16 12:49:00 - [292] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Nobody can beat them, that's what happens when someone is basically allowed to cheat, they win the game and noone can do a thing to stop them. You're happy now because their target is goons and you've got some stick up your ass about goons, but IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them. You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.16 12:59:48 - [293] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 202	Posted - 2016.04.16 13:37:00 - [294] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue. Tl;dr: Mimimimimimimimimimi waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah mimimimimimimimimimi How's the evac going? When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Cien Banchiere Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution 51	Posted - 2016.04.16 13:38:57 - [295] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue. Do you ever quit? Or do you do into as many threads as possible and grasp for as many straws as your grubby little hands can get? There is legit nothing wrong with how IWI handled this and how the war got its start. In fact, it seems pretty condoned by everyone. Every. One. So, suck it up buttercup. If IWI didn't do it, someone else would have done it at one point. It's just a difference of method. If you have this much of an issue with how EVE works in and out of game, then go elsewhere. Please.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 121	Posted - 2016.04.16 13:43:46 - [296] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue. *you think he's cheating and literally everyone else disagrees with you. Without third party applications EVE would stop functioning as a game. How is your own gambling service going to counter IWI? I assume you're working on one, since you don't like IWI. Either put your money where your mouth is and work on countering IWI, or stop talking. k buddy?
Starrakatt Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID 449	Posted - 2016.04.16 14:13:22 - [297] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: Do you ever quit? Some persons are (dare I say pathologically) incapable not to try have the last word. Sneaky bastard.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.16 14:13:56 - [298] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: Do you ever quit? Or do you do into as many threads as possible and grasp for as many straws as your grubby little hands can get? There is legit nothing wrong with how IWI handled this and how the war got its start. In fact, it seems pretty condoned by everyone. Every. One. So, suck it up buttercup. If IWI didn't do it, someone else would have done it at one point. It's just a difference of method. If you have this much of an issue with how EVE works in and out of game, then go elsewhere. Please. I't not condoned by everyone, it's condoned by gasp people benefiting from it. There are even people who up until this war have been anit-IWI that are suddenly fine with it. Undoubtedly when goons are gone and IWI targets a group they are friendly with it's suddenly be bad again. And yes, you are right, if IWI didn't start this war, someone else who isn't using a third party application to gain a massive advantage would have done, and that's fine. I have no problem with this war existing or with it being funded by a multi-trillionaire, but that funding should come from fair gameplay, not from using third party applications. Isaac Armer wrote: you think he's cheating and literally everyone else disagrees with you. If by "literally everyone else" you mean "a small group of vocal posters, most of who are goon biased" then sure. Isaac Armer wrote:* Without third party applications EVE would stop functioning as a game. Sure, but if everyone were allowed to use game breaking applications, it wouldn't work out well. This is why CCP allow some applications and features (like voice comms, messaging apps, etc) but disallow others (bots, broadcasting, etc). Isaac Armer wrote: How is your own gambling service going to counter IWI? I assume you're working on one, since you don't like IWI. Either put your money where your mouth is and work on countering IWI, or stop talking. k buddy? How does it help the situation to build more applications that give a massive advantage to isk acquisition? All that does is break the game even more for normal players. I used to play a game called Diaspora, and they didn't do anything about botters. So more people botted to counteract the bots. The next thing you know it's rare to encounter a player and the game is pretty much over and they shut it all down. And mate, I'll talk as much as I want to. You getting all moody and telling me to be quiet because you can't think of a decent counterpoint isn't going to make me stop. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 13910	Posted - 2016.04.16 14:58:35 - [299] - Quote It seems that some people can't understand....the same thing It actually took me 5 years to learn (lol). The more you respond, the more you argue, the more you fuel certain people, and the deeper they dig in. Because he enjoys this. You are making him happy. Better to take a page from Mittani and deny those types forum content...
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 202	Posted - 2016.04.16 15:11:10 - [300] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: Do you ever quit? Some persons are (dare I say pathologically) incapable not to try have the last word. Edit: Why isn't this thread not locked already? It has devolved into another Lucas Kell rant anyway, practically a copy-paste of the What we grrrrgoons going to do? thread. He'd just continue whining and ranting in another thread. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 123	Posted - 2016.04.16 15:51:45 - [301] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: stuff In this thread I learned "normal gameplay" is whatever Lucas deems is acceptable for others to do. Anything he disagrees with is cheating. We aren't actually in a sandbox, and creativity in gameplay should be punished, as it is clearly cheating. Thank you for enlightening me.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3500	Posted - 2016.04.16 16:16:27 - [302] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I think the advantages gained by IWI are significantly larger than the advantages given by jabber Yeah, this is stupid. If you genuinely believe any large groups in this game could even exist without external organisation I have no idea what to tell you. No one is staying logged in 23 hours a day to try to work out when and where they are needed. Without that, a group using external means would steamroll them by being able to bring to bear forces that utterly overwhelm the "currently logged on" crew from the other side. It's such a non-starter it's asinine to even think it. But then this is your posting so. The only reason you're able to say things like this and not realise they're utterly absurd is because you're mad about IWI and this is fair comment in your mind. However this thread should have highlighted by now this thought is limited almost exclusively to your head. By the way I can't reply for the next 813hours, as I am going to go fly around and manage POSes in-game using only ingame means. Then I will manually fly to every region and compare local prices. Hopefully I will get there, I can't work out if my ship will align fast enough to be uncatchable as I just threw random parts onto a random hull and didn't use a fitting tool. Lucas Kell wrote: IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them. By the way this is a really, really silly notion. Lucas Kell wrote: Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory Citation needed. Your personal interpretation of the EULA is not law. Also, no one agrees with you. Even people being targeted right now by IWI. Your interpretation is completely wrong, and would require the term "by any means". All IWI's money comes from people giving ISK to him in game. I am at a loss as to how you can't understand the wording of the EULA. I'm also at a loss as to why you don't understand that CCP have ruled sites interacting with Eve in this way as OK. "ThereGÇÖs a rich history of programs that reward players for their participation in games of chance and skill, and as long as they are above board weGÇÖre good with them." -- CCP Falcon If your argument is one of scale, Somer made as much as IWI does on an on-going basis. So it's still a non-argument. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.16 18:22:38 - [303] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: In this thread I learned "normal gameplay" is whatever Lucas deems is acceptable for others to do. Anything he disagrees with is cheating. We aren't actually in a sandbox, and creativity in gameplay should be punished, as it is clearly cheating. No, "normal gameplay" is what a player with no third party apps can do in the game. It's that way because CCP design their game to be played as is, by regular players with without third party apps. Khanh'rhh wrote: If you genuinely believe any large groups in this game could even exist without external organisation I have no idea what to tell you. I didn't say they could, I simply said that the benefit given by running jabber pales in comparison to an applications acquiring trillions of isk. I really don't care if you want to pretend that's not the case, it's a simple fact. Khanh'rhh wrote: Hopefully I will get there, I can't work out if my ship will align fast enough to be uncatchable as I just threw random parts onto a random hull and didn't use a fitting tool. ROFL because nobody was able to fit a ship prior to fitting tools. Khanh'rhh wrote: Your interpretation is completely wrong, and would require the term "by any means". All IWI's money comes from people giving ISK to him in game. That doesn't matter, the rule is "acquire" not "generate". You know full well that the amount of isk he acquires with the app is significantly more than without the app, therefore the app facilitates that accelerated acquisition. That's basic logic. Khanh'rhh wrote: I am at a loss as to how you can't understand the wording of the EULA. I'm also at a loss as to why you don't understand that CCP have ruled sites interacting with Eve in this way as OK. Care to share me where they rules this? Or are you taking the wild assumption that because they have't banned it yet, they have ruled it as OK (like they did with ISBoxer). You're also missing the point that their views change, and talking about it here on the forum is how we give CCP our opinions on it. And yes, effectively all third party tools give an advantages, but what has been stated by CCP is "We may tolerate the use of applications or tools that enhance your enjoyment of the game. This is done at our discretion and only as long as no unfair advantages are gained by you or others by the use of said applications or tools" - CCP Grimmi. So it really comes down to whether or not they consider making more isk than a 40k character alliances is an unfair advantage. I think it is, you obviously don't. It's called a difference of opinion and they happen, and I'm not going to be silenced just because you want to troll (as you frequently do). So get over it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3500	Posted - 2016.04.16 23:43:49 - [304] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I didn't say they could, I simply said that the benefit given by running jabber pales in comparison to an applications acquiring trillions of isk. I really don't care if you want to pretend that's not the case, it's a simple fact So you are literally saying, with a straight face, that you think IWI is a 'bigger thing' than basically every organisation currently in the game. Like you completely accept that the game as we know it wouldn't even exist without third party tools, but that IWI is still a bigger factor. Have I got this right. Quote: ROFL because nobody was able to fit a ship prior to fitting tools Also this is another of your strawman arguments. Quote: it's a simple fact Quote: I think it is, you obviously don't. It's called a difference of opinion Dude. Come oooon. It's not 'trolling' to point out that you literally call the same thing both a fact, and an "opinion" all in the same post. You do it constantly, swinging between one and the other when it suits the reply to the cherry-picked quote you have chosen to reply to. Do you even know you're doing it? Do you even read your posts through? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
Cynter DeVries Spheroidal Projections 1001	Posted - 2016.04.17 04:57:19 - [305] - Quote Me: World War Bee? Goon: War of Sov'less Agression. Me: World War Bee. Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 124	Posted - 2016.04.17 05:34:07 - [306] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: No, "normal gameplay" is what a player with no third party apps can do in the game. It's that way because CCP design their game to be played as is, by regular players with without third party apps. You are roughly 120% wrong about this. But hey, as I learned, whatever Lucas thinks the game should be like is the only acceptable definition of gameplay. Glad to know you know more than the rest of us mere mortals. You are by far one of the least creative people I have interacted with in EVE so far.
Mario Putzo 1655	Posted - 2016.04.17 05:49:04 - [307] - Quote ITT Lucas Kell can't understand how "Give Isk" function works, which is sad for an older EVE player. Dear CCP please provide a tutorial for players to explain that GIVING Isk to a player is a choice of the player and not dependent on game mechanics. It is obvious the line is too blurry when long time EVE players fail to understand the difference between being GIVEN isk and acquiring isk. I suggest a brief tutorial with an example, for simplicity sake have all new players give ISK to me, Mario Putzo. It will teach new folks isk transferring is done, and make me gorillions (hopefully) that is a win win!
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 195	Posted - 2016.04.17 05:58:30 - [308] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: I suggest a brief tutorial with an example, for simplicity sake have all new players give ISK to me, Mario Putzo. It will teach new folks isk transferring is done, and make me gorillions (hopefully) that is a win win! Tut tut Mario. Don't you know that's cheating. That lets you acquire ISK at an accelarated rate compared ...... oh never mind. No it doesn't.
Shayla Etherodyne United Nations Industrial Holdings 14	Posted - 2016.04.17 06:14:09 - [309] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: sero Hita wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster. Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost This formidable, I didn't know you could do that. Excellent. Was scrolling down most of what he was writing anyway. This thread has become so much shorter. A pity that Lucas has drowned any interesting discussion.
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 87	Posted - 2016.04.17 06:50:28 - [310] - Quote Oh, Lucas understands everything quite well. He is trying to get threads locked very much with intention. Arguing for the "fun" of it. Nobody could really stubbornly ignore so many things in such a way so often in so many threads unless they were doing it for a purpose. He's trying to get threads locked. If it were in my power I'd bring the permanent forum banhammer down on him for messing with the forums intentionally long-term.

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 07:13:41 - [311] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: So you are literally saying, with a straight face, that you think IWI is a 'bigger thing' than basically every organisation currently in the game. No, I'm saying the application gives a bigger and more unfair advantage. Khanh'rhh wrote: Also this is another of your strawman arguments. No it's not, you stated quite clearly that your ship would just be random parts thrwon together because you had no fitting tool, implying that prior to fitting tools people were incapable of fitting a ship properly. Khanh'rhh wrote: Dude. Come oooon. It's not 'trolling' to point out that you literally call the same thing both a fact, and an "opinion" all in the same post. Except I'm not calling the same thing both that's referring to two different things. It's a fact that the IWI application is what facilitates his accelerated acquisition of isk. It's my opinion that it conveys an uanfir enough advantage that it should be be disallowed. Isaac Armer wrote: You are roughly 120% wrong about this. But hey, as I learned, whatever Lucas thinks the game should be like is the only acceptable definition of gameplay. Glad to know you know more than the rest of us mere mortals. If you say so buddy. It's not my fault if you don't know what constitutes normal gameplay when referring to a game even though it's a simple concept. Why don't you go get CCP to define it for you if you wont accept that the game without tools is considered normal gameplay. [quote=Mario Putzo]ITT Lucas Kell can't understand how "Give Isk" function works, which is sad for an older EVE player./quote]Sure I can, you just can't understand what "facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate" means. I've made it as simple for you to understand, yet you seem to ignore it. Here, I'll do it again. If IWI the application were not allowed to be used, they would not be able to acquire isk at the rate they do, thus the application is what facilitates the accelerated acquisition. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 07:19:55 - [312] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: Oh, Lucas understands everything quite well. He is trying to get threads locked very much with intention. Arguing for the "fun" of it. Nobody could really stubbornly ignore so many things in such a way so often in so many threads unless they were doing it for a purpose. He's trying to get threads locked. If it were in my power I'd bring the permanent forum banhammer down on him for messing with the forums intentionally long-term. Except I'm not, I'm stating a point and having a bunch of people deny reality at me. This is what's funny. The point of contention is where or not the benefit gained is unfair, yet they are too busy trying to swear blind that there is no benefit or trying to suggest that because other unrelated software which benefits multiple people exists, that's proof that software allowing one players to be richer than 40,000 other people is also acceptable. The fact that you disagree with my arguments shouldn't get me banned. In fact the thing that should be banned is people like yourself choosing to attack the poster rather than be part of the discussion. There's a block button if you want to use it, or you could simply not read my posts. You could even just opt out of threads I'm a major part of. But no, apparently insinuating I have an alternate agenda and complaining that free speech exists is the preferable path to you. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 87	Posted - 2016.04.17 08:19:18 - [313] - Quote LOL - ok Lucas my friend! I'm sorry that I don't agree with you that you are actually that...unaware. Thank you for your very helpful suggestions, but I don't want to block you just yet as I find the few posts of yours I'm not now ignoring most of anyway to be entertaining! :D For example, the little logic loop you built into your last - shall we call it - grr little me post was well done, sir.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 207	Posted - 2016.04.17 08:59:09 - [314] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: There's a block button if you want to use it, or you could simply not read my posts. Your tears are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too delicious to do that. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Sister MaryElephant Stellar Conundrum 17	Posted - 2016.04.17 09:17:18 - [315] - Quote ~fofofofofofofofofofofofolucasfofofofofofofofofofofofofo~ ~~~made official by lolMittler
Zet Soirn Soirn Enterprises 1	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:08:39 - [316] - Quote Docked Mitler with his pet Sion.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1712	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:10:56 - [317] - Quote There's a war going on in null? ........ Are the nullbears screaming? ARE THEY SCREAMING?!?!? Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Ria Nieyli 43701	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:19:52 - [318] - Quote In space, no one can hear you scream. "slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
Zet Soirn Soirn Enterprises 1	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:24:19 - [319] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: In space, no one can hear you scream. I actually can hear Mitler scream, threatening a CCP employee and calling it a "propaganda war". Banned from Fanfest when?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:33:56 - [320] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Instead of being butthurt about (rightfully) losing your space, how about you grow some balls and just accept that Mittlers RMT empire is over and your carebear paradise is being burned to the ground with no way of getting it back. Except of course that my opinions on this go back to long before this war. What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. Linus Gorp wrote: Crying to CCP won't change that. Be butthurt all you want about Aegis sov. It's working EXACTLY as intended, whether or not you see it that way. It's not really working as intended which is why CCP have not pushed entosis onto citadels and have indicated they have plans to move sov away from entosis and into citadels. To be more accurate you should really say it's working as you hoped, since it gives an advantage to non-sov holders. Linus Gorp wrote: Honestly, just drop it. At the end of the day, EVE is still just a video game and you're taking it way too seriously. Lol? Is this a joke? I'm asking for balance and explaining why there's a current imbalance. You're throwing around insults, comparing players to Hitler and complaining about non-existent RMT. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 208	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:38:33 - [321] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Honestly, just drop it. At the end of the day, EVE is still just a video game and you're taking it way too seriously. Lol? Is this a joke? I'm asking for balance and explaining why there's a current imbalance. You're throwing around insults, comparing players to Hitler and complaining about non-existent RMT. How is Mittani financing his life? He has no job. He's constantly on parties. He's got these yacht boat trips all over. So where's that money coming from, since that failed legal assistant isn't working. All he has is his multi-dollar media site. That's his income source, and that's why he's so butthurt about his empire being burned to crisps. No empire, no media site, no ad income. And thus, the RMT cycle ends. I never accused him of selling ISK, although it's probably a dead given that he's involved in that activity. Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you since it's nothing but a waste of time, as others have pointed out so often already. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 10:48:57 - [322] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: How is Mittani financing his life? He has no job. He's constantly on parties. He's got these yacht boat trips all over. So where's that money coming from, since that failed legal assistant isn't working. All he has is his multi-dollar media site. That's his income source, and that's why he's so butthurt about his empire being burned to crisps. No empire, no media site, no ad income. And thus, the RMT cycle ends. I never accused him of selling ISK, although it's probably a dead given that he's involved in that activity. Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you since it's nothing but a waste of time, as others have pointed out so often already. By running a gaming media site focussed on EVE (and I was under the impression he's got a lot of money from his family too). What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. Which is it, does it make no money or is he rolling around in cash on a yacht lighting cubans with benajmins? I don't think you know what RMT is. RMT isn't just someone making money from playing a video game, if that were the case, players like Rixx Javix would be an RMTer as would all of the streamers. RMT is when in game items or isk is being traded for cash, amusingly something that Nosy (and most other sane people) thinks is likely to be occurring at IWI. By the way, see things like when you say "that failed legal assistant", that's you launching out of game personal attacks on the player behind the character. It's funny how people like you get on your high horse about other people taking things too seriously while you aren't even able to restrict your hatred to in-game rivalry. And yes, oftentimes it's pointless to argue with me because many of the people attempting to do it don't actually have well thought out and valid points, they have rage, bias and wild assumptions. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:00:39 - [323] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. I wonder where I said his site doesn't make any income, since I clearly stated that's his income source. Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it? So, comment to this whatever you want. I won't reply another time, but I'll continue to read your whiny posts for my amusement. They're just too good to give up. Lucas Kell wrote: By the way, see things like when you say "that failed legal assistant", that's you launching out of game personal attacks on the player behind the character. It's funny how people like you get on your high horse about other people taking things too seriously while you aren't even able to restrict your hatred to in-game rivalry. Have you even HEARD about the bullshit Mittani is giving from himself these days? Lucas Kell wrote: And yes, oftentimes it's pointless to argue with me because many of the people attempting to do it don't actually have well thought out and valid points, they have rage, bias and wild assumptions. Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:19:05 - [324] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: What's really funny here is you are simultaneously attacking his site by calling it a "multi-dollar media site" to claim it makes no income yet at the same time claiming he's earning enough to go on parties and yacht trips frivolously. I wonder where I said his site doesn't make any income, since I clearly stated that's his income source. Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it?. So you're saying you calling it a "multi-dollar media site" isn't in fact you trying to insult it by claiming it's low income? Be serious mate lol. And if you seriously think ad revenue from a site of that size is enough to live a lavish lifestyle you have serious misunderstandings about ad revenue. Linus Gorp wrote: Have you even HEARD about the bullshit Mittani is giving from himself these days? I don;t particularly care. Anyone taking the game so seriously they feel the need to launch personal real-life attacks needs a reality check, I really don't care who it is. You're just the one doing it here then accusing me of taking the game too seriously, so I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in that. Linus Gorp wrote: Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself. Then it should be no problem for you to dispute the points made rather than just telling me how awful a poster I am and complaining about non-existent RMT. I could do this all day, this is easymode. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:19:56 - [325] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. Okay, this one is too good not to respond on it. "Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!" Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of? It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game. Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. This image here sums it down to what you really are, as you have proven so many times and still continue to do. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:24:15 - [326] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it?. So you're saying you calling it a "multi-dollar media site" isn't in fact you trying to insult it by claiming it's low income? Be serious mate lol. And if you seriously think ad revenue from a site of that size is enough to live a lavish lifestyle you have serious misunderstandings about ad revenue. In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK. Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself. Then it should be no problem for you to dispute the points made rather than just telling me how awful a poster I am and complaining about non-existent RMT. So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;) When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:29:58 - [327] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. "Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!" I'm not a member of the Imperum. Whe I say "our community" I mean the EVE community. Go read blogs and posts by Nosy Gamer (who in fact dislikes the Imperium). He went into detail about how many verified bans there have been within IWI and how that indicates systemic RMT rather than the rogue bankers they claim. Linus Gorp wrote: Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of? They've also had multiple first offense and permanent bans. The problem is that CCP have no access to IWI logs, so every time IWI simply claims it was the banker or gambler, and CCP have no real way to prove otherwise. Again though, as Nosy has shown the statistics for how many people have been banned make it highly doubtful that it's simply a coincidence that so many people have been independently RMTing within the same group. Linus Gorp wrote: It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game. Why is it far more likely? You yourself have stated that IWI has been blocked under suspicions and we know for a fact that multiple bans have occurred, while Mittani as far as I am aware has never even been temporarily banned for RMT. The only thing that makes you think it's more likely is your own bias. Linus Gorp wrote: Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:33:31 - [328] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK. How so? Linus Gorp wrote: So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;) You can complain about what you want, but throwing around the accusations with nothing that even suggests it could be true is pretty ridiculous. IWI have plenty of things that suggest they could be RMTing, as alluded to in the post above. Furthermore IWI have a system that could easily masks RMT - which funnily enough is why if you make an eve bank you aren't allowed internal transfers - while Mittani has no such system in place. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:34:26 - [329] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed. As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Go back to mining. I'm done trying to educate you. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:37:18 - [330] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:50:46 - [331] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day. I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway. And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Zet Soirn Soirn Enterprises 3	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:53:25 - [332] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day. I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway. And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that. Lucas Got Told!
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 304	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:55:58 - [333] - Quote This is like watching two brick walls bashing heads together. noms popcorn A case for more AoE in EvE
Zet Soirn Soirn Enterprises 4	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:57:42 - [334] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: This is like watching two brick walls bashing heads together. noms popcorn Nah, bruh, it-¦s more like a well-defined brick hitting a dim lightbulb.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 11:58:06 - [335] - Quote Zet Soirn wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to. Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day. I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway. And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that. Lucas Got Told! I lol'd hard :D When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 12:25:11 - [336] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: I have pointed it out again and again. No, you really haven't. You might think you have, but you really haven't. You've made a good effort to skip over most points presumably because you have no response, and pretty much everything else you've just attempted to attack me as a poster rather than addressing the points themselves. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 12:35:01 - [337] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: I have pointed it out again and again. No, you really haven't. You might think you have, but you really haven't. You've made a good effort to skip over most points presumably because you have no response, and pretty much everything else you've just attempted to attack me as a poster rather than addressing the points themselves. Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you? http://static.gifland.us/files/2013/02/24/76493.gif When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17673	Posted - 2016.04.17 12:51:27 - [338] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT. Okay, this one is too good not to respond on it. "Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!" Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of? It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game. Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction. This image here sums it down to what you really are, as you have proven so many times and still continue to do. In fairness to Lucas, and believe me it does feel odd to type that, individual IWI bankers have been sanctioned for RMT, the IWI site was temporarily unlinked from EVE and if IWI itself has avoided becoming a gigantic RMT front it will achieve the distinction of the first ISK gambling operation to do so. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 12:58:36 - [339] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you? You say "everyone" but you mean "a small vocal minority specifically here to disagree with you". This is why I pay attention to posts which address the actual points being made and make reasonable counterpoints over people like yourself going "Mitler, CFC, RMT, tears, string of memes". Any time you want to make some decent counterpoints le me know. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 13:29:55 - [340] - Quote Malcanis wrote: In fairness to Lucas, and believe me it does feel odd to type that, individual IWI bankers have been sanctioned for RMT, the IWI site was temporarily unlinked from EVE and if IWI itself has avoided becoming a gigantic RMT front it will achieve the distinction of the first ISK gambling operation to do so. Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either. My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that. Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you? Any time you want to make some decent counterpoints le me know. Tried it before, just like others tried it before me. There's no point doing that with you. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7483	Posted - 2016.04.17 13:51:42 - [341] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either. My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that. So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 210	Posted - 2016.04.17 14:00:43 - [342] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either. My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that. So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something? If I'm a troll, then what are you? Incredibly dumb **** stupid? Especially since I pointed out the entire reasoning for my posting here like 5 replies ago? But you couldn't just let it go, could you? Had to argue instead with someone that has absolutely no interest in arguing with you? And no, you won't find me on Reddit. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Zet Soirn Soirn Enterprises 4	Posted - 2016.04.17 14:03:11 - [343] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either. My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that. So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something? If I'm a troll, then what are you? Incredibly dumb **** stupid? Especially since I pointed out the entire reasoning for my posting here like 5 replies ago? But you couldn't just let it go, could you? Had to argue instead with someone that has absolutely no interest in arguing with you? And no, you won't find me on Reddit. He is a Bee Drone... don-¦t waste time on him.. he only lives to serve his honey bear Mitler..
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 305	Posted - 2016.04.17 14:11:17 - [344] - Quote Isn't trolling against the forum rules? Whatever the case with IWI, goons could have done something. If they had even defended their space initially they would have killed the momentum buildup. Bad strategy has hurt the imperium most of all, the reasons the enemy have are not particularly important. I understand why Lucas is concerned, making a gambling website IS a bigger step than most are able and presents an advantage of sorts. The website still needs to build a reputation etc so it's not just as easy as making the page, it takes work afterwards. Not only that but surely you could make a similar argument for the level of organisation in the imperium, most alliances don have time for such an amount of structure, is that an unfair advantage? Eve is inherently unfair and always has been so IWI is nothing new. What is fair anyway? Unfair situations only come up when your mental reality doesn't match physical reality. When you expect one thing and get another. I think on balance I agree that gambling websites are bad, out-of-game websites that exist for in-game profit are unbalanced. IWI is basically a mini game eve players can do when bored and all they need to do is open up a browser, they can win eve things on it. And the service feeds isk to the guy running it. How do you fight that? A case for more AoE in EvE
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 211	Posted - 2016.04.17 14:46:27 - [345] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: Isn't trolling against the forum rules? The entire thread degraded to another Lucas Kell whining thread, so the niveau was already bottom line before I even bothered posting here. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 239	Posted - 2016.04.17 15:55:12 - [346] - Quote This thread has run its course so lets let it die in peace. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*


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