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Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: JeanClaude DuSoir If they're cloaked, they can't threaten you. They have to uncloak for that. They might be gathering intel, which can be a potential threat, but not by themselves. They'll have to bring in friends for that. If they're just passing through while cloaked, then you're under no harm or threat. I don't mean to be rude, but I think that's the whole point of cloaking and reconnaissance. I, too, am an older player. Perhaps you could explain your problem with more logic and less rant. Thank you. That's only true up until CCP invented Force Recon ships. They're expensive, but they'll blow most industrialists to pieces long before anyone can do anything about it. A cloaked ship (much less one with an afk pilot) ain't blowing anything up. If you've got an issue with an non-cloaked, at-the-keyboard pilot attacking your industrialists, allow me to introduce a novel concept to you: fly with an escort.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Steppa Something's got to be done. I play with mostly older players that actually have lives outside Eve. Our gaming time is too precious to have it wasted by idiots afk or semi-afk in cloaked ships incurring NO RISK or NO CHANCE OF INTERCEPTION that basically threaten an entire area of space and ruin our precious game time. Just about everyone agrees this has got to stop. Not I. I think you have your tin foil hat on too tight. AFK PLAYERS ARE NOT OUR TO GET YOU. If there is a guy in local, cloaked then you have the following situations: 1. If the guy is afk having a smoke or a beer or who knows .. as MANY posters have pointed out, what harm is he doing? hes not even playing!!!! 2. if he is not afk, and gathering intel, well then hes in a covops or a FR and there is not much you can do about it. But ... its not like he can do anything either. When your cloaked you cant do squat. 3. Hes not afk and looking for easy miner kills. If your worried they will uncloak and pop you, well Covops are made of tin foil so no worry there, and FCs arent that much better. Have a friend along (since your obviously not in empire) and guard each other (which you should do anyway ... solo mining in 0.0 ? you have more to worry about than an afk cloaker) The big important #3: You do know that after revelations you can probe down cloaked ships right? ... right? So in essence, dont solo mine in a hostile sys, mine a system over if your super straight jacket paranoid (which you are), probe him down, or ignore him. shesh man ... I can't believe your afraid of an AFK cloaked ship. Whats he gonna do? your gonna go mine and then .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!!! or your gonna camp the gate and .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!!! or your gonna sit around your POS and .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!! oie vey.
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:24:00 - [33] Don't smartbombs reveal cloaked ships? ---
Athelas Loraiel Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Steppa Something's got to be done. I play with mostly older players that actually have lives outside Eve. Our gaming time is too precious to have it wasted by idiots afk or semi-afk in cloaked ships incurring NO RISK or NO CHANCE OF INTERCEPTION that basically threaten an entire area of space and ruin our precious game time. Just about everyone agrees this has got to stop. Hehe, when we were trying to mine somewhere where a few BoDs were afking, it was with more substance on our covetors... -------------- On the lookout for /restricted word that means ppl who work on the game/ in BOD disguise. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Oiri Yusko
Morfane The IMorral MAjority Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:16:00 - [35] Edited by: Morfane on 15/02/2007 22:15:51 If you are really this concerned that you must make it your cause celebre, stop running away screaming like your hair is on fire. Just set up a trap for him. Badger IIs and Ospreys both make excellent bait ships. EDIT: PS: Every time I hear anyone say "everyone thinks so", my cow dung alert fires.
Rod Serling	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:22:00 - [36] i guess the op would also hate when, while camped in a station, i leave the computer logged on and go afk to the mall or whatever, when i otherwise probably would have logged off to go perform my time consuming rl activities. i love it when i come back like 3 hours later and they are still waiting there like idiots.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:25:00 - [37] I am a player who actually has a life outside Eve, and sometimes can't watch the client every second. I appreciate the inclusion of an option other than logging off. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
AgentRens	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:28:00 - [38] AFK cloakers would appear to be the flavour of the month. So at a guess, every alliance will be putting cloaked afk alts into their rivals systems to annoy the hell out of them. Just acknowledge that fact, ignore them and get on with what you're doing. If they're afk and you move systems, they won't follow you. If they aren't afk, they'll move and follow you. At this point you can lay down bubble traps and pod them. They're just playing with your mind.
Adrian Kerensky Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Steppa Just about everyone agrees this has got to stop. I don't and I think your reasons are quite silly to be honest. You mention 'our' gametime, well if you're playing with a group you're under no risk from a single cloaker. How do you know he is afk? Just because he doesn't talk in local? 99% of the time I don't talk in local or answer questions directed at me there. Sitting cloaked gathering intelligence is perfectly legitimate. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil 258 bytes over!
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:54:00 - [40] Sorry, maybe I missed the part where cloaked AFK pilots are actually a risk. This just sounds like yet another 'I dont like this, get rid of it' without any actual justification of what this apparent risk is, except the risk of embarassing yourself as a player in dear need of any skill. Am I an afk cloaker? No, my client times out after two minutes of idling. But there's a very important thing here. THEY'RE AFK. wtf are they going to 'find out' or 'threaten' if they arent even at the keyboard?? Oh em gee, afk gatecampers noes! They'll float while I jump! Heaven forbid! Even in 0.0 I don't care if there's 10 hostiles and just me in local, I'll still undock, do my business, and live. AFK anything is no risk imo, and if you're too gutless to go out in the face of people in local, tough. ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.

Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:07:00 - [41] If afk or semi-afk 'idiots' are threatening your entire area of space and ruining your precious game time...
BrainDrain	Posted - 2007.02.16 04:36:00 - [42] Well, train up and cloak yourself you carebear. Or stay in secure space.
ghosttr Amarr The Department of Resource Control	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:02:00 - [43] I dont know what the op is talking about, or how hes being cloaked. At one point in time we had guy that was constantly in local, he would log in right after dt, and stay in system the entire time, though he was annoying he never attacked anybody. He was in system a total of 3 weeks, and never did anything and was always on, the industrialists tried to log on just before and after dt and he was on 23/7, during the 3weeks he was in system we had probably gone through about 500 scan probes of all different types trying to find him. So we decided to send out harassment and exploit petitions, and we got it taken care of. LAter that same day he appeared in one of the belts and spotted a very angry gang of ra members. then we never saw him again. Just go about your business and if your having the same problem of a 23/7 cloaker, just wait a week or two and send in the petitions. Looking to join an allaince with 0.0 access where i am allowed to build poses. EVE-Mail me if you have any opportunities.
Ladyah Liandri Take By Surprise Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.16 06:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Tar Magen I think the point here is that the cloaked idlers can strike at any time, whereas the defenders have to be on guard 24/7 to be effective. Very disproportionate effort required. ROFL - is that New Amarrian Logic?
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:07:00 - [45] Originally by: ghosttr I dont know what the op is talking about, or how hes being cloaked. At one point in time we had guy that was constantly in local, he would log in right after dt, and stay in system the entire time, though he was annoying he never attacked anybody. He was in system a total of 3 weeks, and never did anything and was always on, the industrialists tried to log on just before and after dt and he was on 23/7, during the 3weeks he was in system we had probably gone through about 500 scan probes of all different types trying to find him. So we decided to send out harassment and exploit petitions, and we got it taken care of. LAter that same day he appeared in one of the belts and spotted a very angry gang of ra members. then we never saw him again. Just go about your business and if your having the same problem of a 23/7 cloaker, just wait a week or two and send in the petitions. The only thing more ridiculous than wasting the GMs' time with such nonsense is advocating others to follow your example. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Originally by: Tar Magen I think the point here is that the cloaked idlers can strike at any time, whereas the defenders have to be on guard 24/7 to be effective. Very disproportionate effort required. ROFL - is that New Amarrian Logic? Nah, my amarrian logic is to have a good tank that runs forever. If some silly cloaked ship tries to kill me, I'll prolly laugh at him while he ends up waiting to go pop. And yes, I am flying solo. good game
ghosttr Amarr The Department of Resource Control	Posted - 2007.02.16 08:10:00 - [47] Edited by: ghosttr on 16/02/2007 08:07:03 Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: ghosttr I dont know what the op is talking about, or how hes being cloaked. At one point in time we had guy that was constantly in local, he would log in right after dt, and stay in system the entire time, though he was annoying he never attacked anybody. He was in system a total of 3 weeks, and never did anything and was always on, the industrialists tried to log on just before and after dt and he was on 23/7, during the 3weeks he was in system we had probably gone through about 500 scan probes of all different types trying to find him. So we decided to send out harassment and exploit petitions, and we got it taken care of. LAter that same day he appeared in one of the belts and spotted a very angry gang of ra members. then we never saw him again. Just go about your business and if your having the same problem of a 23/7 cloaker, just wait a week or two and send in the petitions. The only thing more ridiculous than wasting the GMs' time with such nonsense is advocating others to follow your example. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am just trying to help people who are the victims of a function that is game-breaking for them. Until there is some way to legitimately find cloakers, especially ones that stay inactive in system for extended periods of time (23/7 for weeks on end) a petition can be sent under harassment or exploit. (I have sent two of these so far, and either one should work). Depending on circumstances one of these such players can be handled by gms under. Exploit Quote: An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it. Harassment (Griefing) Quote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. I hope this helps anyone with such a player Looking to join an allaince with 0.0 access where i am allowed to build poses. EVE-Mail me if you have any opportunities.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.16 08:30:00 - [48] Originally by: ghosttr I am just trying to help people who are the victims of a function that is game-breaking for them. Until there is some way to legitimately find cloakers, especially ones that stay inactive in system for extended periods of time (23/7 for weeks on end) a petition can be sent under harassment or exploit. (I have sent two of these so far, and either one should work). So a cloaked pilot who by your own admission "never attacked anybody" qualifies as an exploit and harassment? Are you freaking kidding me? Perhaps you should elaborate specifically how he was "annoying"?
Dogsta Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 09:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Steppa Something's got to be done. I play with mostly older players that actually have lives outside Eve. Our gaming time is too precious to have it wasted by idiots afk or semi-afk in cloaked ships incurring NO RISK or NO CHANCE OF INTERCEPTION that basically threaten an entire area of space and ruin our precious game time. Just about everyone agrees this has got to stop. I had something witty, I had somthing scathing, theni figured I would ask, By "just about everyone agrees" whom exactly are you speaking of? all of eve? all of the lacky's and pets of BoD now watching the probings and scoutings of thier soon to be former regions? your corp mates? the guy your sitting up in that TS channel with atm? whom??? cause seems to me most of the people I have spoken to are indifferent in reguards to this subject, but that is just an observation I have made, not a fact. see you soon :) AWT 4TW Member of the Great Northern Napfest
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:23:00 - [50] sorry to the op that you are not able to afk-tank/macro-mine atm - its a shame btw i think EVERYBODY will agree that we need to get rid of afk'ers in pos¦s or maybe pos¦s at all or maybe not.

Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Toaster Oven Give cloaks a 1 hour duration with no autorepeat. Won't affect normal gameplay in the slightest. Only hurts afk cloakers. A solution far too simple and obvious to ever be implimented.
Vilyara	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Gradinger sorry to the op that you are not able to afk-tank/macro-mine atm - its a shame btw i think EVERYBODY will agree that we need to get rid of afk'ers in pos¦s or maybe pos¦s at all or maybe not. Hehe.. I dont think many people would care if POS's were to just disappear.. They're a pain in the ass
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Vilyara Originally by: Gradinger sorry to the op that you are not able to afk-tank/macro-mine atm - its a shame btw i think EVERYBODY will agree that we need to get rid of afk'ers in pos¦s or maybe pos¦s at all or maybe not. Hehe.. I dont think many people would care if POS's were to just disappear.. They're a pain in the ass so its true, i got the power to speak for the whole community
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:02:00 - [54] There are plenty of people in Jita 23/7, can I petition them too? AFK cloakers are not a problem, its the non-AFK cloakers you have to be afraid of.
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:41:00 - [55] I like it. Well thats essentially what submarine warfare is largely. Listening in and prowling around neutral/enemy territory looking for targets. AFK players might be a problem, until you find them and pod them. If they've gone afk and gone out to work, then you have probably got 8-10 hours to find them sink their very expensive little reccon ship. Granted they're not easy to find, but you could play 'The Cruel Sea' using smart bombs as depth charges, whilst other ships probe out areas.... You could even wear navy hats whilst you do it, and talk in very posh english accents....
Gmoorick R.u.S.H. - Fanatics	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:58:00 - [56] Originally by: JeanClaude DuSoir If they're cloaked, they can't threaten you. They have to uncloak for that. Thank you. What about Titan sitting in cloaked in system ?
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Gmoorick Originally by: JeanClaude DuSoir If they're cloaked, they can't threaten you. They have to uncloak for that. Thank you. What about Titan sitting in cloaked in system ? good job they cant fit the T2 cloak :) ______
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:22:00 - [58] Originally by: Kolwrath shesh man ... I can't believe your afraid of an AFK cloaked ship. Whats he gonna do? your gonna go mine and then .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!!! or your gonna camp the gate and .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!!! or your gonna sit around your POS and .... NOTHING HAPPENS!!! oie vey. Pilgrim comes into known mining system, looks for a quick kill, gets it, then safespots, if things start to look hot, afk an hour cloaked, pilot goes off to get beer/food/women, pilot comes back, looks for another target. One cloaked recon can cause a huge amount of disruption to a whole system. You cant always muster the people for protection, whether its for mining or ratting. The cloaker doesnt have to risk getting out of them system fast, as no one can find him/her when cloaked. About the only way I can see this being combated is by a new module, which fitted (and activated) to a ship, shows up all cloaked ships (with increased inaccuracy) that are scanned using normal ship probes. You cant cloak while this module is activated though. This wont affect the active cloakers, but does make afk cloaking a risky propect. ______
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:52:00 - [59] Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 16/02/2007 13:48:54 Originally by: ghosttr Quote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. It's important to note for the OP here that GOON/LV/RISE carebears are being targeted by recons gangs to disrupt money making and logistics of the alliance members. So the griefing as defined above doesn't stand for the OP because there is a conflict and a gain to be had here -> carebears leave -> no money to fuel POS etc.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.16 19:35:00 - [60] Originally by: MrLobster You cant always muster the people for protection, whether its for mining or ratting. Then go back to Empire.



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