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Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [61] i think i stated why nos doesnt hurt in another post.. but as i have said before.. amarr uses nos too. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Captain Crimson And quite a bit of it is outclassed too..... ooh, maller vs rupture?! fun time! maller vs ruppy.. maller wins 80% resists + 2 nos = dead ruppy:D --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Captain Crimson Caldari CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [63] Originally by: Tisanta Originally by: Captain Crimson And quite a bit of it is outclassed too..... ooh, maller vs rupture?! fun time! maller vs ruppy.. maller wins 80% resists + 2 nos = dead ruppy:D Capless weapons anyone? Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [64] guna break that tank with your pea shooters? --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Captain Crimson Caldari CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 - [65] Originally by: Tisanta guna break that tank with your pea shooters? I could say the same, but autocannons are better than pulses. Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [66] mmm they are good.. but when you cant break my tank.. and then you eventualy run out of tank and im still going strong.. my pulse hurt alot more:D --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Tisanta mmm they are good.. but when you cant break my tank.. and then you eventualy run out of tank and im still going strong.. my pulse hurt alot more:D No they dont. A 220 rupture with nos does about 31% more damage than a Heavy Pulse Maller assuming both the maller and rupture are fitted full gank. the more tank you both fit, the better the ruptures damage becomes in relation to yours. combined with capless weapons the rupture should pretty much never lose to an equally skilled Maller. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 - [68] in theory.. in practice fight me in a maller and you WILL die. maller is a t1 ship with a t2 tank. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Kharakan Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 - [69] Yes, and if he is fitting noses, you are screwed, because he can tank for longer than you. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:10:00 - [70] okay.. try this.. 4 pulse II 2 nos webber, scrammer, cap booster 3 eanm II, 1 repper II, dcu II, heat sink II 2000 80 + % armour ... compared to his 50% + armour.. as far as cruisers go i have never seen a maller lose to another.. other than gankrax infact.. why dont we test it in practice hmm? his rupy vs my maller? --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:13:00 - [71] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Tisanta mmm they are good.. but when you cant break my tank.. and then you eventualy run out of tank and im still going strong.. my pulse hurt alot more:D No they dont. A 220 rupture with nos does about 31% more damage than a Heavy Pulse Maller assuming both the maller and rupture are fitted full gank. the more tank you both fit, the better the ruptures damage becomes in relation to yours. combined with capless weapons the rupture should pretty much never lose to an equally skilled Maller. find me a maller pilot who gank fits it and i will agree with you until then dont post in this thread again because your contributions are just.. stupid --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Tisanta okay.. try this.. 4 pulse II 2 nos webber, scrammer, cap booster 3 eanm II, 1 repper II, dcu II, heat sink II 2000 80 + % armour ... compared to his 50% + armour.. as far as cruisers go i have never seen a maller lose to another.. other than gankrax infact.. why dont we test it in practice hmm? his rupy vs my maller? You understand that with 1 EANMs and a DC he will have 81.13% EM resistance? And if he fits 220s[or 180s] with MWD/WEB/SRCAM and 1600mm/EANM/DC/Small rep/Gyro He will have some 6000 armor? Will be hitting your lowest resist and have a full compliment of drones at his disposal? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:17:00 - [73] Originally by: Tisanta Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Tisanta mmm they are good.. but when you cant break my tank.. and then you eventualy run out of tank and im still going strong.. my pulse hurt alot more:D No they dont. A 220 rupture with nos does about 31% more damage than a Heavy Pulse Maller assuming both the maller and rupture are fitted full gank. the more tank you both fit, the better the ruptures damage becomes in relation to yours. combined with capless weapons the rupture should pretty much never lose to an equally skilled Maller. find me a maller pilot who gank fits it and i will agree with you until then dont post in this thread again because your contributions are just.. stupid Its an example. The lower gun damage becomes[I.E. the more you tank fit] the more you lose the advantage against him because of drone damage. You then take the example and modify based on the other circumstances. And no, i doubt you could tank, even with those high resistances, the damage a well fitted rupture can dish out for very long. Also, your main resist against his damage is below 80% ;) ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:20:00 - [74] ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Captain Crimson Caldari CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:22:00 - [75] Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 22:19:19 Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh **!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. Idealistic setup. The ruppy might not go all gank. And you think the maller has drones. Well done, mr amarr master. Originally by:** Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [76] try maller with 4 nos 2 guns... it makes me giggle watching them trying to break your tank whilst you verrrry slowly drip away at their untanked hp --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tisanta Amarr Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [77] Originally by: Captain Crimson Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 22:19:19 Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. Idealistic setup. The ruppy might not go all gank. And you think the maller has drones. Well done, mr amarr master. i ment the maller pilot steals the ruppy pilots drones --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. Is the 6000 in quotes for a reason? Becuase he will actualy have 6891 armor. And you cannot tank his damage, even with that tank you only have a long survivable tank at damagags under 266 DPS and the rupture will break that. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 - [79] Edited by: Goumindong on 16/02/2007 22:24:38 Originally by: Tisanta i ment the maller pilot steals the ruppy pilots drones It cant it doesnt have a drone bay. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:11:00 - [80] Honestly, the Amarr issue is completely overblown. Amarr have some issues to be sure, but they are relatively minor ones. My alt flies Amarr exclusively, and, well, I'm not complaining. People Suggesting that the Cap bonus to lasers be removed and lasers getting a natural cap reduction is absurd. Lasers have higher than normal damage naturally, the Cap usage reducion bonus IS your damage bonus. It lets you fit them. Granted, this is offset by the much charigned EANM, but still. The EANM is the problem, the guns are not. Lasers could use with a bit of a tracking boost, and some ships could do with a bit of tweaking (Maller, Sacrilege, Damnation, Omen) but by and large, Amarr don't really need a lot of help. Just a bit of tweaking here and there would make them very competetive again. I belive the largest problem is EANM; nerf those, and the issue will largely solve itself. Sigs are for noobs.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Tisanta Originally by: Captain Crimson Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 22:19:19 Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. Idealistic setup. The ruppy might not go all gank. And you think the maller has drones. Well done, mr amarr master. i ment the maller pilot steals the ruppy pilots drones You are just a troll... It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Captain Crimson Caldari CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:26:00 - [82] Yea, i got bored with the complete impossibility of dislodging his idea that amarr are the best, so i gave up. Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:43:00 - [83] Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. hahaha your just to sweet
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [84] Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1.. maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit.. maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job. Your entire post is a lie. With perfect skills and your setup, the maller would have 1875 armor with 75% exp and kin resistances. With a single MAR II it repairs 35.6 hp/sec. A rupture fitting 2 dmg mods, 1 EANM II, 1 rep, and a DCU with 4 220mm IIs and hail will do 366 DPS. That translates to 91.5 DPS vs your tank and 55.9 DPS after taking your rep into consideration. That means a rupture will break your "invincible tank" in 30 seconds flat, throw in another 10 seconds to for shields and hull, your maller just died in 40 seconds. Would you like to post how pathetic your maller's DPS is with 4 medium pulses against a rupture fitting a single EANM and a DCU?
Monoklas	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:00:00 - [85] lol @ the 2 gun maller bleed setup, have you EVER used a maller in pvp? With 2 guns it will take you lets see.. at 90dps max... about 5-6 mins to kill the average cruiser. Surley by then it depends on what your clan mates are in than what you are in, oh and how the hell are you planning to get near them without an ab? Yes I do fly amarr ships, if I came up against that setup id laugh very... very... very hard. All id have to do is put an em passive SHEILD hardner on and id be passive tanking you -.-
Ilithas	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:01:00 - [86] Well, I have been using Amarr ships for a while now. They can be great in pvp/pve but that's not the problem. Lets look at it this way. Pros: - More low slots. Better tanking potential - More resists then other ships. Better tanking potential. - Decent drone space - Best recon ships(in my opinion), good command ship, decent bc/bs - No ammo reload/fast ammo switching That's all I can think for now. And If I miss something plz do correct me. Now lets look at the cons. Cons: - Ships get one less bonus because of the -to laser cap - Even with the full -to laser cap they still take the most or the second most cap for any of the gun types. - Ships are the second slowest.(and all armor rigs reduce speed) - Lasers are limited to em and thermal. Making all armor tanks naturally resistant. The minmatar ships for exemple the afs have a HUGE base em and thermal resists. - Lasers have wierd tracking/range. Pulse is not quiet a closeup gun and laser is not quiet a snipper. This means that lasers are stuck in mid-range and since the only time a ship is in midrange is when they are either trying to get to or run away from the ship. And since webs are 10km that means you can't keep them in mid range either -Cap problems. Lets face it, if you NEED cap injectors/nos just to be able to fire guns on a ship that means it's bad. - No secondary damage option. Unless you mount projectile weapons. And the list goes on but I'm lazy. Lets face it amarr CAN be good, but compared to the other races they have nothing too special (caldari get resist bonuses too and their missiles are (whoa) cap free). On top of that lasers can be good, but initially they start of sucky, do the worst damage And your argument on tanking means nothing. My drake could tank your abbadon forever, since it's passive and has a 465 shieldhp/sec regen rate (that's right about 4 large reps running none stop for no cap), uses 7 launchers and uses NO CAP. So while I congratulate you on trying to stand up for the amarr, you arent doing us a favor at all. Don't coverup the suckiness
Pressure Line Amarr Extreme Pressure Developments	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Tisanta heres a fit that makes the abaddon worth flying: 8 knave nos scrammer/cap regen/cap booster/sensor booster 2 LAR II/3 eanm II/dcu II/ 1600mm tungsten 3 rep amount increase rigs 5 hoby II, 5 hammerhead II ... blah blah blah lots of rubbish ... i hope you realise that that setup is gonna be out dps'd by any ship that can fit 5 med drones and more than 1 gun. hell... a med foc pulse omen would probably out-damage that. posting setups that suck harder than a vacum cleaner doesnt help your argument in the slightest. take your medication and do the math. Originally by: Tuxford When going into a fight we want people to commit to a fight. That means when you go into a fight you are risking your ship or ships, not just warping in on anything and if you can't ha
Redglare's Demise Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.02.21 02:26:00 - [88] I've flown the maller for a while in lowsec... and while its very nice to be able to tank like a BC... the damage just sucks. I've moved on to other ships.. tho I might try an AC setup later. The nos + tank like hell thingy works to a certain extent.. but as others have mentioned, it doesnt matter much when your opponent can use drones and capless weapons and still maintain awesome dps.
Siakel	Posted - 2007.02.21 03:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Shania Eria punisher.. kills any other frig , Except those pesky buggers that orbit out of web range and whittle you down. Like... uhm... pretty much all of them. Originally by: Shania Eria crusader kills most inties with ease, Sure, it can. Not as well as Taranis, Crow, or Claw, but yeah, it can kill other inties. Originally by: Shania Eria curse... dont need to say much, Yep, good ship. Nobody has said it isn't, it's one of our few good ones. Originally by: Shania Eria geddon out gank the ganker, Yes, it's a good ship... not sure what you mean about out ganking the ganker, though. It doesn't outgank the Megathron if that's what you're trying to imply. Originally by: Shania Eria maller.. bait in a belt with 3 recons stealthed beside... hillarious!, Errr... and any other Cruiser in the game could do this just as well, only they'd contribute more to the gang while looking less like obvious bait Originally by: Shania Eria absolution.. break my tank if you dare! Same can be said of.... well, every CBC. Absolution isn't bad, but it's hardly amazing in the world of CBCs. Originally by: Shania Eria damnation.. tank+ command modules While having a weaker tank than the Caldari version (which is able to hit at fleet ranges, but hey...), and not enough damage to fight its way out of a wet paper bag. Makes a decent gangmod platform, but then, so do the other three CBCs. Except they all contribute more to the gang while doing it. Originally by: Shania Eria archon.. 2 cap reps perma running 90% resists Err... single caprep with 90% resists if you go for a full best-faction fit, sure. Double capreps with 90% resists? And perma-running? Yeah, good luck with that. (Not saying Archon is bad, it's my favorite Carrier. But then, I don't remember any Amarrians whining that our Carriers sucked, either.) Originally by: Shania Eria arby.. drone boat with anti turrets.. great noob pirate Another good ship, aye. Also, another ship that has nothing to do with any of the Amarrian Issues, is not complained about, and is generally agreed upon to be a good ship. Originally by: Shania Eria zealot.. pew pew pew your dead from 30km! More like 'pew pew pew you warp out!'. No versatility, unimpressive tank, very low DPS considering it's the Amarr 'gank' HAC. Mediocre ship. Originally by: Shania Eria sacrelidge... good luck breaking this tank. Sacs tank is hugely overrated. It's nice, aye. I've also broke well-fitted Sac tanks in 30 seconds with a no-damagemod tank-fitted gunboat BC. (Of course, being Amarr, it wouldn't be right to let it tank+gank at the same time, so while it's got an impressive tank, let's limit it to say... 150 DPS.) Originally by: Shania Eria ... im bored of listing them Because you ran out of ships you could try passing off as decent?
Mr Peanut STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.21 04:23:00 - [90] Originally by: Shania Eria punisher.. kills any other frig , Punisher has 2 mids. It is the best T1 frig in gangs, but not better than the rupture for solo. Originally by: Shania Eria crusader kills most inties with ease, Crusader runs out of cap and has to warp off. Originally by: Shania Eria curse... dont need to say much, It has terrible DPS. The Curse is probably the best ship vs. cuisers, dessies, frigs, but it takes forever to kill big things solo. It is great in gangs, but you always become primary so its very dangerous/expensive to do. I love this ship, but I think that people really need to realize that it has its major disadvantages. Originally by: Shania Eria geddon out gank the ganker, Geddon doesn't out-gank very many other BS, its dmg types suck, and it has cap problems in long fights or vs. nos. It is hard to fit tachs on a geddon without setup gimp and megapulses have terrible tracking. I would still like to add that the dronebay is nice, and that the geddon is a great, cheap throw-away PvP ship. Originally by: Shania Eria maller.. bait in a belt with 3 recons stealthed beside... hillarious!, How do 3 stealthed recons need bait? How is the fact that it is the best T1 cruiser for filling such a pathetic, unnecessary role mean that it is a good ship? I guess that its the best PvE cruiser, but a rax or rupture tend to own it in PvP. Originally by: Shania Eria damnation.. tank+ command modules Damnation...useless piece of st. Three T1, tier 2 BCs can give almost the same command modules while actually being useful in combat. Originally by:** Shania Eria archon.. 2 cap reps perma running 90% resists Umm...no. However, I still think that the amarr carrier, mothership and titan are awesome because they are the best tankers. Originally by: Shania Eria arby.. drone boat with anti turrets.. great noob pirate It is not truly Amarr in nature or combat style, and it sucks for noobs. You need good drone skills, decent Ewar skills, and the ability to dictate the range of a fight. Originally by: Shania Eria zealot.. pew pew pew your dead from 30km! Zealot and geddon are limited as gank boats because of the damage mod stacking penalty. It is the only cruiser with 7 lows, but the number of mids is less-than impressive. Tier 2 BCs seem to outclass HACs like the Zealot in many situations. Originally by: Shania Eria sacrelidge... good luck breaking this tank. Sure. Get a tackler to web it, then get a bigger ship to rip it apart in almost no time. Dumb quotes found by Siakel. Thanks, buddy.

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