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Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [481] Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. Can I have your babies?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [482] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 23:30:23 Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 23:22:50 Originally by: Areena Shay We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. Ok..thanks sweet cheeks x Edit: the quote thing messed up...I say H4xsp7o!t
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [483] Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. Can I have your babies?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:27:00 - [484] A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob ****storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF).
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:27:00 - [485] A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob ****storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF).
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 - [486] Less posting, more pew pewing. Thanks.
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 - [487] Less posting, more pew pewing. Thanks.
Hatsim Black Lance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [488] There is a man! a man known to most as "THE MAN" and this man is not only good Hes awesome! :D This could have been stopped befor it happend if ppl used their asses and left the eve-online/forum site for 1min and looked close to "THE MAN" heres some info about it -_- Ö http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=10 Pwned by ISP
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [489] Originally by: Caledric Couple things not adding up for me that I'd like clarified... A) How did the Cov Ops follow the titan jumping? B) Why would the titan jump INTO a Hostile system to log? He did not have to follow. He could have been in the system to start with. There's probably more than one spy that BoB have within D2 forces, so it is not like it was just one guy in cov ops ship running around trying to find that titan. The system was in fact said to be "safer" not hostile. BoB fleet probably followed into the system - it wasn't there right from the start.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [490] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it I find it funny how your whole alliance, all of your allies. Your whole 'coalition' was collectively chanting how the kill wasn't legit. Information you apparently got out of where the sun don't shine. Now it's switched from 'not legit' to 'lame'. What next? Need i remind you that almost no one in Eve plays fairly, and that pretty much every major alliance has done, is doing, and will do lame things, as well as use lame tactics. So please, for the love of god hold yourself to the high standards you impose upon others. BoB aren't gods, and will use whatever legit method they can of winning. They have all the right to do it, especially at a time like this when there's a massive bandwagon against them. Until you can, hand on heart, swear that no one in your alliance or coalition uses lame tactics or tactics which border on exploits, you have no right to critisize others for principles you fail to uphold yourself. please show me were i have posted before that the kill wasnt legit? I didnt post at all about the kills before d2 made this thread so i knew my facts were straight When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way.

Fitz Regal Invictus Unbowed	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [491] TBH, does it matter? Its becoming more and more apparent that the only way to win at this game is to pull every bit of low metagaming, sploit, borderline tactics imaginable because all that matter is the WIN right? Forget playing for fun, or a challenge or anything, all that matter is that you win.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [492] Originally by: Edde Bebbi A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob **storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF). qft ----- Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Mirida Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [493] grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. ___________________ EVE Development Network <Lead Developer>
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:33:00 - [494] Originally by: Cosmic Flame - He logs and doesn't even bother to see the damage message he surely got when he was hit by his "friendly" pilot. A lot of players desactivate the damage messages and logs to reduce the lag... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [495] Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. --------------------------------
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [496] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. I am sure you will hold yourself to very high standards.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [497] Dirty cheating scum.
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [498] Originally by: Exelsior When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [499] Originally by: Fitz Regal TBH, does it matter? Its becoming more and more apparent that the only way to win at this game is to pull every bit of low metagaming, sploit, borderline tactics imaginable because all that matter is the WIN right? Forget playing for fun, or a challenge or anything, all that matter is that you win. So true, unfortunately. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
sb404 Caldari Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [500] Edited by: sb404 on 16/02/2007 23:34:08 Originally by: sci0gon Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg its amazing that people are still posting about passive targeters when this image clearly shows several things. 1) wotankn is still online 2) his outside of the bubble in the titan 3) it was a smartbomb used also in respect to D2 im sorry for your loss probably because official statement from D2 specifies passive targeter. Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. edit: added quote ------------------------------------------------- I never wrote this -Eris

Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 - [501] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. Thanks! You too.
Wibiq Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 - [502] Ya know, I'll go on record right now as saying I can't stand BoB. But I gotta say.....absolutely brilliant. This is the ultimate scam. People say that CCP should leave the actual market scams etc because that's what this game is all about. Well, that tactic is one of the most beautiful double crosses I've ever heard of. Despicable, dishonorable and downright piratic. Hat's off.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [503] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. but my hands are clean given the opportunity, I would not do what was done today. That is the difference Sleep well
iulixxi Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [504] "in war and in love there are no rules" ladies ! I believe that BoB tactics were verry clever , who knows , maybe the next titan D2 is building has an BoB pilot LOL ! Take care ...
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [505] Originally by: Riddari OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes. many a true word spoken in jest
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [506] Didn't Sir Molle said something like that, after Cyvok lost his Titan? "We hope the next one goes down, guns blazing". The irony is pretty strong there... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [507] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Exelsior When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them That's all nice, except for BoB, unlike what they make you believe, playing slug fest PvP battles between battleships isn't fun anymore. Molle's idea of a "challenge" doesn't necessarily involve head to head slug fests. I think he, and most people, will find it both more interesting, and more of a challenge to carry out infiltration missions, sabotage, espionage, etc. And while there are no game rules broken, then let them do whatever they want. This is a sandbox game. Concluding, your high "expectations" hold true only when what you expect corresponds to what Molle meant by a challenge. When they don't, and in this case they clearly don't, then the logic doesn't work, hence no reason for the high expectations
VBboy The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [508] Respect for the way it was announced. Well this is an interesting War in 0.0 on all fronts! VB Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [509] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. I'm really sorry I know that loosing a titan under these circumstances SUCKS, but if the tables were turned you'd be justifying the tactics just as vehemently as you are attempting to diminish the tactics used against you. To be clear, it does take a large fleet, a fleet of which bob could easily field (as could you, as could a lot of alliances) to destroy a titan even in the midst of your drednaught fleet. The issue is, he could always warp out, doomsday, etc. They are HARD to kill, but lets not say that Bob choose this way because they didn't have the fleet, it looks more like a perfect way to execute the objective with minimal loss. In a full out 50 + 50 drednaught engagement, any titan pilot would warp the hell out if he could. This is just a clever way of warpscrambling an un-scramable target.
RIAH HOPE	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:42:00 - [510] why dont we go all together and kill bobitts over and over again to show em we disrespect this kind of gameplay! no , iam not bob or sympatisant! u tell me bob does a thing and theres nothing we can do about it or what? atleast we all know now u have to think complete or u cant compete!



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