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Ovaron The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [1] Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty.
Ovaron The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [2] Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [3] Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/02/2007 21:20:47 ok ... how did he lock the titan inside the pos? Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 16/02/2007 21:21:06 first? EDIT: Nope. :( I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I will admit, it does sound like a cheap trick... but all is fair in love and war.
Helen STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [5] Wow this game is going downhill fast.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [6] Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/02/2007 21:20:47 ok ... how did he lock the titan inside the pos? Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [7] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 16/02/2007 21:21:06 first? EDIT: Nope. :( I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I will admit, it does sound like a cheap trick... but all is fair in love and war.
Helen STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 - [8] Wow this game is going downhill fast.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Wylker on 16/02/2007 21:19:03 Ok props to you for releasing a statement. But to act like this is the first time an alliance has ever used a spy or behind the scenes tactics is rediculous. Spys have been a part of what makes this game so popular (see the GHSC article). Ofc it's a dirty war, people that try to fight clean lose. You have to fight to win. Tactics like this have to exist for eve to be the fun, open ended environment that has made us all love it.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [10] Edited by: elohllird on 16/02/2007 21:18:32 lol and now all the haxxors shouting nubs can now stfu

Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Banlish on 16/02/2007 21:20:52 5th! Sorry to see it happen that way, the fact that BoB, LV and D2 have actually pulled the Titans out and been using them have been one of the things I've really liked about this war. You gotta have some gumption if your going to be flying around something that costs almost as much 1 & 1/2 to 2 outposts I really don't want to flame so I'm going to say "Sorry for your loss D2." And to BoB, the weekend looks like it's getting very interesting. Good fights to all. -Banlish ----------------- FLA Diplomat CEO - Di-Tron Heavy Industries
WOTANKN Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [12] thanks overon for translat or so **** happens spys 4tw snip please do not post GM correspondence on the forums. Thanks. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Schmobag Southern Cross Incorporated Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [13] No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Wylker on 16/02/2007 21:19:03 Ok props to you for releasing a statement. But to act like this is the first time an alliance has ever used a spy or behind the scenes tactics is rediculous. Spys have been a part of what makes this game so popular (see the GHSC article). Ofc it's a dirty war, people that try to fight clean lose. You have to fight to win. Tactics like this have to exist for eve to be the fun, open ended environment that has made us all love it.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [15] Edited by: elohllird on 16/02/2007 21:18:32 lol and now all the haxxors shouting nubs can now stfu
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Banlish on 16/02/2007 21:20:52 5th! Sorry to see it happen that way, the fact that BoB, LV and D2 have actually pulled the Titans out and been using them have been one of the things I've really liked about this war. You gotta have some gumption if your going to be flying around something that costs almost as much 1 & 1/2 to 2 outposts I really don't want to flame so I'm going to say "Sorry for your loss D2." And to BoB, the weekend looks like it's getting very interesting. Good fights to all. -Banlish ----------------- FLA Diplomat CEO - Di-Tron Heavy Industries
WOTANKN Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [17] thanks overon for translat or so **** happens spys 4tw snip please do not post GM correspondence on the forums. Thanks. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Schmobag Southern Cross Incorporated Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [18] No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works.
SeckelitE ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [19] let the heads start rolling -------------------------------------------- the only thing humans make it perfect is to self distruct
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [20] Time to get dirty boys. Black Lance Brother

Kurtz Weber Minmatar Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [21] So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S
SeckelitE ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [22] let the heads start rolling -------------------------------------------- the only thing humans make it perfect is to self distruct
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [23] Time to get dirty boys. Black Lance Brother
Kurtz Weber Minmatar Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [24] So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Shigsy on 16/02/2007 21:21:18 Now that's what i call a plan Your Signature exceeds the max filesize limit of 24,000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo
Xazier Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [26] Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go.
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [27] Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 16/02/2007 21:22:08 I guess there are ways of killing a titan LOL And I guess Ill edit just to at everyone screaming Hax\xploit\DOSS attack Congrats to BoB Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [28] Testament to a fine alliance. Nice speech and DONT let this dampen your hopes of pwning Bob(sp?) ----------------------- http://www.lfc4life.com/panmansig.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Shigsy on 16/02/2007 21:21:18 Now that's what i call a plan Your Signature exceeds the max filesize limit of 24,000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo
Xazier Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [30] Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go.

ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [31] Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 16/02/2007 21:22:08 I guess there are ways of killing a titan LOL And I guess Ill edit just to at everyone screaming Hax\xploit\DOSS attack Congrats to BoB Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [32] Testament to a fine alliance. Nice speech and DONT let this dampen your hopes of pwning Bob(sp?) ----------------------- http://www.lfc4life.com/panmansig.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
McGin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [33] Edited by: McGin on 16/02/2007 21:22:46 Unlucky Guys keep fighting As Lame As It COMES!!!
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [34] Well, respect to you D2 guys for telling it like it is. The titan was tagged by ingame means by the sounds of it so I gotta say fair play to bob for the well executed plan. -----
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S I might be wrong, but isn't using a passive targeter to target and fire at a ship inside a POS's shields considered an exploit? I'm a n00b when it comes to POSes, so I really don't know. Answers appreciated. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [37] Edited by: Sokratesz on 16/02/2007 21:22:14 Respect. (and that means +1 for D2 and -1 for BoD) Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
McGin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [38] Edited by: McGin on 16/02/2007 21:22:46 Unlucky Guys keep fighting As Lame As It COMES!!!
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [39] Well, respect to you D2 guys for telling it like it is. The titan was tagged by ingame means by the sounds of it so I gotta say fair play to bob for the well executed plan. -----
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S I might be wrong, but isn't using a passive targeter to target and fire at a ship inside a POS's shields considered an exploit? I'm a n00b when it comes to POSes, so I really don't know. Answers appreciated. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Sokratesz on 16/02/2007 21:22:14 Respect. (and that means +1 for D2 and -1 for BoD) Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [43] Thank you D2 for silencing the "omghaxsploits" screaming. Much respect. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [44] Big surprise. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [45] Quote: Shrike > Props to Digitalcommunist who made it happen Was he the Anathema pilot? __________________ "Buttons are not toys"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Well, dev haxsploit yes, but not plain ol normal haxsploit. Using Passive Targeters to target inside a POS bubble is an exploit. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Max Flame Aur0ra	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [47] good work bob! I like to kill people
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Fagotis Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement. learn to read, the post, mr alt ----------------------------------
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Honest statement. Clever by bob. I think that this simply proves that whoever you put in a titan let it be someone that doesnt turn the computer off or cloak until its called into action again. Build a new one and send it into action again. Gordon Cain
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [50] Ahh I'm delighted to hear there was no wreck timer exploiting. Sorry to hear about your loss D2 Impressive as always BoB http://eve.klaki.net/

maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [51] Thank you D2 for silencing the "omghaxsploits" screaming. Much respect. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [52] Big surprise. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [53] Edited by: probablecause on 16/02/2007 21:28:58 Congrats __________________ "Buttons are not toys"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Well, dev haxsploit yes, but not plain ol normal haxsploit. Using Passive Targeters to target inside a POS bubble is an exploit. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Max Flame Aur0ra	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [55] good work bob! I like to kill people
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Fagotis Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement. learn to read, the post, mr alt ----------------------------------
gordon cain Minmatar x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Honest statement. Clever by bob. I think that this simply proves that whoever you put in a titan let it be someone that doesnt turn the computer off or cloak until its called into action again. Build a new one and send it into action again. Gordon Cain
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:25:00 - [58] Ahh I'm delighted to hear there was no wreck timer exploiting. Sorry to hear about your loss D2 Impressive as always BoB http://eve.klaki.net/
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Yes, because BoB are the only cheaters in EVE, and 'the Coalition' would never do a thing like that Unlucky to D2, but Props to BoB. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:26:00 - [60] I would dare to say... this kill was legit. You will not be able to prove it was a BOB alt or someone within your alliance who was actually "bought"... This happens in RL, so gratz BOB for a nice kill. My opinion, my opinion, my own opinion.

Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Fagotis Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement. learn to read, the post, mr alt Actually this is my main atm. Deal with it?
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Yes, because BoB are the only cheaters in EVE, and 'the Coalition' would never do a thing like that Unlucky to D2, but Props to BoB. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [63] Ovaron, thanks for the statement. Just so we're clear for all of us lay-people who are still trying to understand the game mechanics here, was the Erebus in a POS or not when the pilot logged? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [64] Does this mean that the Titan that got blown up did have rigs fitted? :) Originally by: WOTANKN snip Thanks for this statement Ovaron, at least it's clear now which tactics were used. To be frank, I'd rather see it get blown up in a slugfest. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [65] I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. _
DevilDogUSMC	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [66] Gank -O- Romma
Mr Trade	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Fagotis Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement. Wrong. It's not a BoB Titan.
Eschwen Gas Giant Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [68] Sounds like a brilliant well-executed plan using in-game mechanics. Grats BoB. I guess using that out-of-game website IP log to sniff out spies didn't work out too well.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield?
Neako	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [70] respect to D2, hope you guys keep fighting!

Kraca AoD Holdings	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [71] Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Spies and double agents are as old as war itself and aren't going away any time soon. Perhaps you should learn to use them yourself.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [72] If this is true, that is f*ing lame! Bad show BoB WildCat
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. bob cheats, you blob, no one fights fair. -- Enjoy The Silence
Tapin Tegellan Mercenaries of Andosia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [74] This is painfully lame
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Emsigma on 16/02/2007 21:26:45 First of all I would like to thank D2 and CCP for coming out and settings things straight and second of all congratulate BoB on the kill, even if it would have been funky to see a titan go down in combat. I will be exciting to see what happens to all the confirmed DoS attacks, GM support and exploit claims now... ---
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Yes, because BoB are the only cheaters in EVE, and 'the Coalition' would never do a thing like that Unlucky to D2, but Props to BoB. Me thinks you shouuld head home instead of whoring the forums..see you in PB..were waiting Black Lance Brother
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [77] Thanks for saving CCP's face here and dismantling the dev hax stuff. USing passive targeters for this is a known exploit though and so you will have it reimbursed if CCP stick to their policies. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:28:00 - [78] Spys are both a fair and warranted tactic in warfare, well played BoB. That said its only a ship, it won't effect any outcomes, BoB would of beaten back D2 before, and they still will, but LV will fall, and that my kind sirs is mission accomplished as far as the Coalition is concerned I would wager. KIA EVE Home
blkmajik ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:29:00 - [79] The OP never stated that the Titan was infact inside a POS bubble. Can we get an official clarification of this?
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:29:00 - [80] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Fagotis Originally by: Schmobag No wreck pewpew? Funny how the rumor train works. Afaik the whole passive targetting inside a pos is in itself also the use of a bug for there advantage (a known one) so i assume a reimbursement. learn to read, the post, mr alt I hate to agree with a corp that is currently trying to take out outpost! but... No POS was mentioned. A spy covops shadows the titan, passive targets and shoots 1 shot = agro timer. Just exact same mechanics as any regualr player who logs out after a fight. -----

Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:29:00 - [81] Originally by: WOTANKN thanks overon for translat or so **** happens spys 4tw snip please do not post GM correspondence on the forums. Thanks. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Is that meant to imply you got it back?
Lucentis Amarr ECP Rogues	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [82] Close, very close. Enjoy.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [83] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 21:28:18 nm
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [84] Did the covert ops aggro the titan outside of a pos? Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected])
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [85] Originally by: Emsigma Considering who this came from, I think we can rest assure that there was no exploit in this. I will be exciting to see what happens to all the confirmed DoS attacks, GM support and exploit claims now... cmon you play long enough to know that targeting people inside pos bubbles is deemed an exploit. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
turumbor Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [86] never thought bob would sink this low tbh, they have sunken below the lowest
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [87] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything.
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [88] Dirty indeed, but that is the state of the game at the moment. As I was commenting to a friend just yesterday-- there's barely any honor left in EVE anymore because sadly its the nice guys who refuse to stoop to this level that finish last. You guys want to complain about this and other underhanded tactics used by those you are against yet you never want to own up to other dirty tactics that you yourselves use. Logon & logoff traps Client hacks TS spies Disabling POS's ... and the list goes on. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Octavios Caldari Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 - [89] Didn't think BoB will do it any other way. There goes another Titan to game mechanics. Good job CCP i'm sure that's exactly how you wanted titans to be defeated, when the pilot is logged off. But damn that was smart plan. AFK Titan kills 4tw!!! ----------------------------------------------
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [90] OMG anyone who logs a titan at a POS is a retard. He was a a deep safe. Next item to cry about. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY

Caledric Amarr SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [91] Couple things not adding up for me that I'd like clarified... A) How did the Cov Ops follow the titan jumping? B) Why would the titan jump INTO a Hostile system to log?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [92] Just goes to prove that theres no limits whatsoever to the lengths some people are willing to go in order to win in a computer game
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [93] Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 21:28:15 Originally by: DHB WildCat If this is true, that is f*ing lame! Bad show BoB WildCat Opposed to using spies to find out where a titan is being build, send 1000 pilots to the system and blob it out to kill the titan in production. Uh huh.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [94] Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds. iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer. -----
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [95] If the Erebus was in a POS and was locked and shot through the shield it was not a legit kill. Otherwise it was probably a legit very borderline metagaming kill that will be abllowed to stand without question. In either case its one ship. Let the war continue. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [96] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. afaik you cant lock inside the pos at all. Even if your in the same alliance
Raven DeBlade Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [97] Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 16/02/2007 21:28:34 Bob has never fought clean, never will, either use plain exploits, or hidden exploits, or help from "high up" this is no secret, they have done this since beginning of the game. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [98] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 16/02/2007 21:30:38 Originally by: Verite Rendition Ovaron, thanks for the statement. Just so we're clear for all of us lay-people who are still trying to understand the game mechanics here, was the Erebus in a POS or not when the pilot logged? I'd very much like to know as well. edit - or rather, was the titan inside pos shield when it got shot.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [99] bull**** but hey.....thats bob for you. Silly that the game is designed that a titan pilot cant go do somthing in real life without being destroyed.
Nadija Uninvited Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 - [100] Anotehr cheap shot by bob it seems... MY SIG BANNER GALLERY

NUBIARN MAJORITY	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:32:00 - [101] i true leasson in how to play eve using game mechanics and a orgaised plan, damn brillant tbh.
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:32:00 - [102] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Emsigma Considering who this came from, I think we can rest assure that there was no exploit in this. I will be exciting to see what happens to all the confirmed DoS attacks, GM support and exploit claims now... cmon you play long enough to know that targeting people inside pos bubbles is deemed an exploit. I honestly did not even know that you could do that and I have never even heard about it before, but thanks for telling :) ---
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:32:00 - [103] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. You cannot target from inside a POS bubble. So either the Titan was in a deepsafe and the covert spy tagged him there or someone found a way to target stuff from inside a POS bubble. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. Uh you cant target things inside forcefield in normal way IIRC. Can some confirm?
Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [105] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 21:28:15 Originally by: DHB WildCat If this is true, that is f*ing lame! Bad show BoB WildCat Opposed to using spies to find out where a titan is being build, send 1000 pilots to the system and blob it out to kill the titan in production. Uh huh. oh jeeze in true irony to the other posts in here.
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [106] Wait I thought you got rid of all the BoB spys using the German board ips. Was this not the case? Funny that everyone assumes it was a Passive Targeter that caused this. I have tested this and you cannot shoot anyone in a properly configured pos. I think you can get shot if no password has been assigned but I could be wrong since I always put a password up on any poses we deploy. So if he did log back in why didn't D2 come save him? Sounds very fishy to me.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [107] Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Isn't locking inside a POS shield with a Passive Target an exploit? == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Wonder Mike The Sugarhill Gang	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Raven DeBlade Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 16/02/2007 21:28:34 Bob has never fought clean, never will, either use plain exploits, or hidden exploits, or help from "high up" this is no secret, they have done this since beginning of the game. LOL this is coming for the biggest cheater ingame..
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Virtuozzo Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/02/2007 21:20:47 ok ... how did he lock the titan inside the pos? -
Stavros Amarr DEFINITELY NOT m0o	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 - [110] Edited by: Stavros on 16/02/2007 21:31:15 [21:29] <@DigitalCommunist> 2007.02.16 17:58:46 Combat Your Micro Graviton Smartbomb I hits WOTANKN [CE]<D2>(Erebus), doing 15.0 damage. <3 teh DC for his ebil ;\ -- "DANCE DANCE"

Spike Spiegle Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [111] Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:32 Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:02 First/ unlucky to D2 but this will not slow things and support will stay with you Second/ Is BOB ever going to fight someone who is logged in? or are they too lame to stand up to a fight with someone who can hit back?
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [112] Originally by: Lucentis Close, very close. Enjoy. Is everyone missing this post? Looks to be the agressor ^^^^
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [113] Hey idiots, pay attention Post 52 in this thread clears everything up. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg http://eve.klaki.net/
BoB FanGirl	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Ovaron We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. You cannot prevent and prepare for war at the same time. ~Albert Einstein
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 16/02/2007 21:31:15 [21:29] <@DigitalCommunist> 2007.02.16 17:58:46 Combat Your Micro Graviton Smartbomb I hits WOTANKN [CE]<D2>(Erebus), doing 15.0 damage. <3 teh DC for his ebil ;\ Ah, so he used a smartie, that explains it all. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Divus Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 - [116] Edited by: Divus on 16/02/2007 21:33:31 ... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Divus/Divus-Forum-Sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Wolverine PL Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:36:00 - [117] another dirty trick from bob, after shooting our capital ships inside of field.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:36:00 - [118] Originally by: Emsigma Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Emsigma Considering who this came from, I think we can rest assure that there was no exploit in this. I will be exciting to see what happens to all the confirmed DoS attacks, GM support and exploit claims now... cmon you play long enough to know that targeting people inside pos bubbles is deemed an exploit. I honestly did not even know that you could do that and I have never even heard about it before, but thanks for telling :) Now you know=) There are even videos of BoB using that sploit to kill enemy BSs inside a POS bubble. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Pika Chu Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:36:00 - [119] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Khorian No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. You cannot target from inside a POS bubble. So either the Titan was in a deepsafe and the covert spy tagged him there or someone found a way to target stuff from inside a POS bubble. :) Smartbombs ftw?
SNeAkYbRiT Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:36:00 - [120] Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore!

shodowdemon Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:37:00 - [121] Aww
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:37:00 - [122] While the loss of the D2 titan is a blow it won't affect the long term aspects of this war. BoB & Co have far too many enemies gunning for them on multiple fronts for this to have a long term impact. Bad luck D2. But good going to BoB on a well executed plan, but you just can't seem to kill one in a stand up fight can you? As I said, won't change the result of this war, just harden resolve amongst the coalition to fight.
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [123] Hacksploit dev power omg omg omg, oh wait it wasn't that, exploit exploit expoit when there was no mention of a pos by the OP. People posting with facts > people going insane without facts
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [124] I see, so the plan was to use a spy to flag the titan. Anything to win, right? Just goes to show how down and dirty winning can be. If you didn't have an excuse to wipe them off the map before, this is a pretty damned good one. GL D2, you rocked before you had a titan anyway.
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [125] Edited by: Assassin 2 on 16/02/2007 21:34:59 how the heck can all these people say 'respect to bob' wtf is a matter with some of you geeks. This was so lame it hurts even me and i have nothing to do with D2, its pathetic, a typical act of someone who couldnt kill it fairly so they have to use an alt and kill it without letting it defend itself. No balls to fight it fair and square eh BoB? always said you pilots were nothing but gankers and easy pickers. BoB you fools are going down hard. and i hope to be there to see you n o o b s fall day after day. D2 dont let this get you down guys, all my respect along with my alliances. Smack me all you want BoB pets. you can kiss it
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [126] I still hope D2 gets it back. The aggression logoff timer isn't meant to be a tool for espionage and attack, it should only be to prevent people from fighting and instantly logging off the second things become too hot. I would be saying the same thing if I were involved in killing a titan via this 'method'.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [127] Originally by: Pika Chu Smartbombs ftw? As far as I am aware smartbombs hit the POS shield rather than ships inside it. That's heresay though. Will someone please say if it was in or out of the POS shield? Galaxian Recruitment Info
Lilly McGuyver Caldari Alts on vacation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [128] Kudos to D2 for a no nonsense statement. I know i have something in my face Your civilian gatling rail gun strikes Innocent n00b, wrecking for 7dmg
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [129] doesnt the now snipped gm response imply that he already got the titan back? i dont like spying, but its legit. however using a passive targeter to extend aggro timer without the pilot having a chance to know and then gank the pilotless ship is just weak. its the play-to-win mentality i have seen in every other competive game. unfortunatly some ppl do everything to win.
FGxHalsey Freedom Guard Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [130] Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 21:38:10 Quote: however using a passive targeter to extend aggro timer without the pilot having a chance to know and then gank the pilotless ship is just weak. QFE o7 salute D2 don't let 1 ship kill dishearten you.

Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [131] hrmm, borderline. well executed though. personally, it sucks all the satisfaction out of the kill if its gotten any way other then the victims own shortcomings. morale of the story: dont ever log off your titan.
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [132] Edited by: tyrol on 16/02/2007 21:39:02 Probably the lamest kill ive seen. using a spy, good tactic, its part of warefare. waiting for someone to log so he can take care of RL stuff and then agressing him so you can kill his ship whilst he is gone...... wtf is that all about To all you bob fanbois, thats how your mighty heros do it. its gonna make killing them so much sweeter and ive got to agree with some of the above points, the agression time is there for a reason, you enter a situation where your gonna be agressed, you face the consequences, you log, you most likely die. but abusing it in this way is pretty lame and very questionable
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [133] Props should go to D¦ for: taking the time to investigate properly. releasing the results, to combat the wild rumour mills. for not engaging in forum mongering. Sad about the Erebus, and that Titans are not falling on the fields of war in general. S*t happens, but I kinda beleive the rumours that there are a few more D¦ titans waiting in the wings... someday, after my learning skills training, I'll actually have the ability to shoot back :p*
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [134] Another clear exploit use... Hope D2 will get it back.
Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [135] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. from new intel ofc a smartbomb was used to cause aggro thus no passive targetters were used. I ofc thought of this within 15mins of the kill ;)
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [136] Just know this. They may have used spies et al. But WE will not stop, i am sure my brothers in north will not stop. This is but one small cow on the Rap3trains track, it will not stop. I expect to see you guys in PB soon. Black Lance Brother
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [137] Originally by: FGxHalsey I do believe this highlights a problem though, the only real way to kill a titan is to kill them when they are logged off. o7 salute D2 don't let 1 ship kill dishearten you. Not true, I think the recent Aeon kill disproves this theory.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [138] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 16/02/2007 21:42:13 Oh well.. Thanks for clarifying though. This sucks, but good luck! Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Twoside Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [139] Originally by: Spike Spiegle Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:32 Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:02 First/ unlucky to D2 but this will not slow things and support will stay with you Second/ Is BOB ever going to fight someone who is logged in? or are they too lame to stand up to a fight with someone who can hit back? /signed
Chi Prime Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [140] I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! - Ares, Raptor and Malediction needs fixing

Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [141] Sad Loss...but anyways all titan gonna die one day or another in fair move...or not! Dont give up the figth d2 yarr yarrr Welcome in Bob online
whejl Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [142] Bob has always been playing the game mechanics rather than the game itself. Fair kill or not it leaves a bad taste behind. If you are as good as you say, why resort to such borderline exploits?
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [143] So the question is, is aggroing someone inside a POS using a smartbomb a legitimate tactic game wise? I think ships are intended to be invulernable inside POS ships ... but I guess we will see. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Aries Acheron The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [144] Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/02/2007 21:39:04 Excuse me, I'm by no means defending bob (I hate spies and such beyond belief, and think it dirty for them to be used for ANYTHING), but um. The hypocrisy of a lot of posters is a little astounding. How can you defend the use of Goon's spies to locate a titan construction, and spies on LV's teamspeak... yet call the use of an agent 'in game' to reveal themselves by smartbombing a titan to cause aggro 'dishonorable'? They're both the same thing. Hands are just as dirty on both sides. Edit: It doesn't seem to be an 'hax!!' exploit, since the smartbomb hit the Titan outside of the shield. Did you see that screenshot? A bomb doesn't need a lock, just the titan sticking out of the shield. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [145] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! But using a spy to find a POS where a titan was building, and then destroying it, was tottaly acceptable. Or the actions taken against the MC which involved the use of a spy by your own allience.
Vasili Z Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [146] Dirty? Go get more help, you need it. ------- I smoke pot, because I'm cool.
Chrome Coyote Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [147] Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse?
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [148] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 16/02/2007 21:41:01 Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Yes, because BoB are the only cheaters in EVE, and 'the Coalition' would never do a thing like that Unlucky to D2, but Props to BoB. So because others are thought to cheat, then that grants your group license to cheat in response? EDIT: this is a GENERAL statement. There are still not enough facts and\or rulings on what constitutes an "exploit" in the case of the passive targeter use to apply that to this particular set of facts.
Alowishus OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [149] So much whining in this thread.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [150] how is it possible though if you can't target anything within a pos shield unless the shield is down? or am I missing something? Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills

Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [151] Cunning and well executed. Good sport in standing up and admitting it without resorting to excuses, aswell. As for the majority of replies, however -- not so intelligent. ---
Xordus Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [152] Trying to understand this... How does anyone shoot a Titan situated in a POS
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [153] Originally by: Attak I see, so the plan was to use a spy to flag the titan. Anything to win, right? Just goes to show how down and dirty winning can be. If you didn't have an excuse to wipe them off the map before, this is a pretty damned good one. GL D2, you rocked before you had a titan anyway. Considering they are fighting D2/Ragoon who used an OFFICIAL CCP website (eve-online.de) to find out who BoB spies were by matching IP's, getting spies to flush out the info on whats being built in a capital ship yard, and getting spies on everyones teamspeak, I really don't think you can say "anything to win" about just BoB. And if you do you are obviously missing out on one of the biggest parts of eve, imo, the ability to completely infiltrate and decimate your enemies from the inside, aka GHSC... Everyone knows spying and dirty little tricks are a part of eve, they have been since beta, and if people cant take it they should cancel thier accounts, imo.
Distun	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [154] I hope all the huge alliances get banned for trolling the forums.
Zephyrante	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [155] Respect to D2 i hope you have one more ship to keep the fight up, btw i have to say i thing Honor should appear in this kind of things. Dont like BoB tactics at all. Keep on the fight D2
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [156] Originally by: Baun So the question is, is aggroing someone inside a POS using a smartbomb a legitimate tactic game wise? I think ships are intended to be invulernable inside POS ships ... but I guess we will see. Did you LOOK at the screenshots? the titan was outside the pos.
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [157] why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [158] Originally by: Chi Prime I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! You wont see them, because this doesn't make them look much better. On the other side props to whoever made up that plan, because it is definitly brilliant if it was managed to pull off within legit mechanics(i still doubt there). On the other hand the titan is just another tool and will not effect the outcome of the war much. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [159] The kill looks legit. I guess all of digi's spying finally paid off. Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected])
Gabriel Aaron Amarr Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [160] Edited by: Gabriel Aaron on 16/02/2007 21:41:13 It is not possible to lock a target inside a POS shield, even with a Passive Targeter. I just tested this and it will not let you.

Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [161] http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg I guess thats how.
Nathin Ames Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [162] hey war is war, you do what you got to to win.....sorry bout the loss but GJ BoB
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [163] WHERE THE FK does it say he was in a POS Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [164] Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right?
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [165] Originally by: Ovaron We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. What do you class using non D2 related forums to gain IPs to match against ts and d2 forums reacords as?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [166] Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 21:41:29 If the cov-ops pilot was uncloaked inside the pos shields while he passive targeted the Tigerente and shot at it, then the titan kill was legit, afaik. A question that remains is why aggro timers are not shown for the pilot of a ship to see. Maybe someone wants to start a topic on that question in general discussion. As I said in the first D2 Titan thread, I am sure D2s determination to fight BoB has only grown due to this incident. Best of luck to D2 and all the others in the coalition, VV Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:44:00 - [167] Maybe SirMolle can answer this one (after posting that they only fight for a challenge): Where is the challenge in killing 2x Offline Titans?
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:45:00 - [168] go sneaky, I¦m on your side Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
Xeno Metamorph Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:45:00 - [169] Originally by: "Ovaron" ...jumped back from the front line to a more secure system... ...Scouted by an internal spy... ...Used a passive targeter.. fired a single shot.. Titan pilot logged... ...So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing... Thus, all cries to people of "Re-Imbursement" No mention of being logged in a POS forcefield mentioned. Nothing more than an internal being bought off to catch out their titan. Dirty deeds for sure, but its a war after-all. As much as it seems an unfair kill, its well within the game mechanics as far as I can see. (Unless someone wants to point something ive missed out to me)! And to second a number of other comments within this thread - ty for the clarification that will hopefully shut these damn people up who are screaming "omgwtfbbqhax!" Just don't let this single loss make a significant impact on your alliances' morale! Xeno
Metatron Celestia Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:45:00 - [170] I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan. Just take this as a lesson, that capital pilots turn back on graphics effects as well as damage messages when they go log out so this won't happen again in the future.

Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:45:00 - [171] Edited by: Fred0 on 16/02/2007 21:42:51 The next time I read about how frustrated you are internally about AAA/RA metagaming i'm just gonna laugh.
Evilhunger	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:45:00 - [172] ok i dont usly read or post on forms but i see a lot of you saying bob is fighting dirty . spy in real life are use in war every day to help win wars spys are part of war every country use spys so why would this game be any dif come on guys suck it up and get back out on the battle feild and quit wineing
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 - [173] If any of you BoB apologists think this will derail The Train, you have a nasty shock coming. The loss of one ship, no matter how big or expensive, is an irrelevance.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 - [174] Alright after looking at the shot(assuming the shot is legit) it was a kill within game mechanics and the plan was brilliant and well executed. It was seriously a very lame thing to do it this way though. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Xriss Ravana	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 - [175] Edited by: Xriss Ravana on 16/02/2007 21:43:15
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [176] Well Done BOB. D2 sorry for the loss, but its not over yet, go get them! ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Steve Minh Minmatar Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [177] This has to be the worst case of the pot calling the kettle black by you "rapetrain" folks that I've ever seen. Excellent job BoB. AMAZING use of planning and game mechanics. Good kill. Nice to know its completely legit. As for all you coalition folks whining. You'd be singing a different tune if the situation were reversed and you know it. Stop being hypocrites because you know there would be no cries of "OMG LAME!" if you all used the same sort of thing to kill LV or BoB's titan. Hell I know I've seen Goon/RA/TCF/CA etc... members praise the use of spies before. Get off your high horse. It was a great kill with great planning involved, good use of a spy BoB.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [178] Originally by: Imode Dirty indeed, but that is the state of the game at the moment. Only for a select few Next time BOB says fair fight...omg...I will laugh hard
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [179] Edited by: Eron Lygera on 16/02/2007 21:44:27 Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! Do you believe that yourself? First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others? What could they possible gain from this? Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game". From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 - [180] Evil job BoB, but legit.

Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [181] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 21:46:52 Lol you know what the funny thing is RA took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in. Then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out. At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in. Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on, then you can oficially say "We killed a Titan"
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [182] CHEATS!
Tridik	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [183] All's fair in love and war.
Red Crown	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [184] Even if the individual sections of the plan were legit...in the end I'd call the whole thing an exploit. At the very least, very, very, very underhanded. Even if its not in the letter its in the spirit. 'Exploit - 2. To make use of selfishly or unethically' , after the titan pilot logged off the plan took place fully outside of intended game mechanics, until he logged back in when it was already too late. Log timers were designed to prevent loggofskis, not to render a pilot and his ship 100% helpless. Very low. Even if CCP decides it was a legit move, no respect. At all. At best BoB here is guilty of playing very, very dirty...
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [185] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS! IDIOT!
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [186] Edited by: whisk on 16/02/2007 21:45:58 PEOPLE STOP SCREAMING EXPLOIT, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE POS SHIELD AND ENGAGED WITH A SMARTBOMB So in otherwords, stop your crying and deal with it.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [187] Originally by: Metatron Celestia I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan. It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :)
Lord Loom Loom Service	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [188] Edited by: Lord Loom on 16/02/2007 21:47:09 Originally by: Helen Wow this game is going downhill fast. I have to agree with that... Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. and that
Mindblank StarLight Inc. Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [189] Sad about the loss Ovaron... and a big props for the statement. Now go and do the same to BoB -= Currently recruiting Swedish players =-
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [190] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS! RETARD Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY

Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [191] Edited by: Qu''ut Nez on 16/02/2007 21:47:13 If smartbombs AREN'T supposed to work inside POS shields (haven't heard any official stance on that, personally) AND they were used inside a POS shield, then it's an exploit. If either one of those are false, then it's a fair kill and a good plan. Dirty maybe, but dirty in the "twist your mustahce and snicker" kind of way, not an exploit or a cheat. edit: one of the screens shows it is outside the shields, fair kill, good job BoB. Now die. ------ [SILD]
Borasao Ex Coelis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [192] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Regardless of what happened and how, kudos to Ovaron and D¦ for posting an official response that cleared up a big mess about a situation that must be demoralizing. That, alone, is worthy of respect.
thereisnolag	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [193] Originally by: Chi Prime ...to see apologies ... Honestly I don't think people understand the concept on these forums. Better luck with the next one D2!
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [194] Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/02/2007 21:50:48 ok .. so titan announces to log off, spy decloaks and hits mwd to approach the ship, right before the ship disappears (which takes it out of the shields perfectly in line with eve's design features) the spy activates the smartbomb, and as such sets the aggro timer. So, is that the process? Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Ordinaire Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [195] Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"? I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ---------- Those I deem unworthy, shall fall down on their knees before me and call me king Ordinaire!
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [196] Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 - [197] Originally by: Fedaykinn Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out. At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in. Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on You also have the balls to fight a Titan before it's even built. Props. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [198] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Metatron Celestia I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan. It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :) How? I've been in TS with a enemies taunting us in local that they can hear our exact TS chat. Using a inagme spy, with ingame ship, with ingame weapon, to flag ingame with agro rules... Please dude. -----
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [199] very nicely executed plan. Very good work.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [200] Lorth speaks common sense. Don't hate me, learn to love me

Jon Lucien Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 - [201] Edited by: Jon Lucien on 16/02/2007 21:51:10
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [202] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime. Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [203] Edited by: Popsikle on 16/02/2007 21:54:41 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Metatron Celestia I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan. It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :) I dunno, this was pretty bad : http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ EDIT: Neither one of these (the d2 kill and the heist) were really metagaming, as it used 100% ingame methods.... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [204] all within the rules, cunning and ruthless GJ BOOBIES "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [205] Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:52:46 Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds. iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer. It's to stop people knowingly logging out during combat (to save their ship). Not so that players lose ships on technicalities, and especially not when those technicalities are forced by their opponent through convuluted means that specifically rely on the player logging off just to kill the ship. There should be a highly visible onscreen PvP timer (and probably also an annoying "you are PvP flagged, this means your ship will remain in space for 15 minutes, do you really really want to log" popup to go with it.) The displayed agression timer sort of works when NPCs shoot you, even though the rules on that are different, but for some reason has never been properly coded for PvP. To be sure, I disagreed with the ASCN titan loss for the same reasons. But at least that was avoidable, everyone knows if you use a DD, then log within 15 minutes, you'll still be flagged. But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and noticed the split-second message about the SB. That's a broken game, not a clever kill. _
bsspewer Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [206] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, *** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! But using a spy to find a POS where a titan was building, and then destroying it, was tottaly acceptable. Or the actions taken against the MC which involved the use of a spy by your own allience. Originally by:** Lorth Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that. Lorth wins. And that mom loss you speak of, was not done w/ any hack/exploit or any other kind of misuse of game mechanics. As far as I know, Helen was online the entire time fighting to survive.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [207] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime. Your sig is awesome :D
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [208] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Thank you for clearing this up, its a sad loss but kudos to BoB for pulling it off.
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [209] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.
Zara Torbe	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [210] There seems to be a distinct lack of anything close to ADEQUATE TITAN PILOTS I am offering my services, i won't log off with aggro and i won't crash into Suns/planets or space stations, i Promise.

Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [211] Originally by: Ordinaire Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"? I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You have proof of anything that I have ever done wrong in this game? Please let us all know about it, I'm curious now.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [212] It's hilarious when logon-trap experts whine about "under-handed" tactics
Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [213] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 21:54:25 Originally by: Imode Originally by: Fedaykinn Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out. At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in. Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on You also have the balls to fight a Titan before it's even built. Props. LMAO we alrdy have 2 titans to deal with you really think we want another one? its was a well planned attack to take it out before it was even built we got enough enemy titans DDing us alrdy Seriously ur sayin if you knew a enemy titan was in production and you already had 2 of em to deal. And you knew you had a good chance of taking it out before its finally produced you wouldnt take it? What we did was a strategic attack on LV, what BOB did was a underhand tactic to take out a logged off titan hmm which is more honourable ?
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [214] Question raise, did he log inside pos and when he warped off came outside bubble before he went in warp? If that is the case, how the hell will it be safe to warp? Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes [url="http://www.
SNeAkYbRiT Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [215] Originally by: Eron Lygera Edited by: Eron Lygera on 16/02/2007 21:44:27 Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! Do you believe that yourself? First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others? What could they possible gain from this? Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game". From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you? I believe the admission on what a DEV apologised for! and CCP have mentioned time and time again that they approve of the alliance and how it is run, and this alliance is BoB...with the above admission of this DEV and with the lack of action from CCP errr I think alot of players seem undone too. So walk away from the comp ya self and drink some coffee and wake TFU
jarack Energy.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [216] By looking at these screenshots here: Screen Shot 1 It shows, that the D2 Titan, was at Planet VI - Moon 10, with the Covert-Ops smartbombing to create the agression timer. But if im at all wrong, please correct me here, but i am sure, if you log with agression you warp to a neutral point in system. Whereas in: Screen Shot 2 It shows the D2 Titan to be at Planet IV - Moon 12. Now i'm not entirely convinsed this location where the D2 titan logged has been placed legitimatly, because if there was a D2 POS at this current location, the titan ofcourse would be safe My thaughts... Jarack
other mickey Gallente Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [217] Edited by: other mickey on 16/02/2007 22:00:02 Edited by: other mickey on 16/02/2007 21:57:29 I can't believe so many people are cheering BoB on. I guess some people have no honour whatsoever. The fact that BoB needs to use such a tactic to kill a Titan shows their true side. Not having the guts to actually try to kill the titan on the battlefield but resorting to "abusing" the agression timer shows the true side of the players in the BoB alliance. I'm sad to be associated by way of enjoying this game with people who have to resort to such tactics. Yes, it was clever to get a spy to aggro the ship. But to make a plan to use the aggression timer to kill the ship in the first place, rather than actually finding a way to destroy it in combat, well, this is a sad day in Eve. Sad because it shows how much too seriously people take this game, so serious they need to use mechanics designed for fairness, so unfairly. Anyone who thinks this was somehow a good kill, remember what the aggression timer is for. It's to stop people from "logoffski", you know, logging in a bubble to avoid losing a ship, etc. The same tactic people moan on about all the time. Bob abused the very system CCP put in place to try and prevent people from logging to avoid combat. (Ironically, they abused this mechanic so they themselves could avoid combat.) The timer was not meant to be a means to destroy ships when the pilot is logged off for real life reasons. Rock on D2. I'm sure titan number X is just about to roll out of the shipyards. Look forward to seeing you guys out in fountain! o7 (Edit, to the poster above, Moon 12 is about 1/2 Mil KM from moon 10. That shot just shows the nearest object. It doesn't mean it was at the same spot you would go to if u warped to that planet)
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [218] Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? KIA EVE Home
Phelsior Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [219] No respect from this kill. I shake my head in disgust of such low blows clearly taking advantage of game mechanics. No skill. Just possessing no morale makes this possible.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [220] Originally by: Blazde Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:52:46 Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds. iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer. It's to stop people knowingly logging out during combat (to save their ship). Not so that players lose ships on technicalities, and especially not when those technicalities are forced by their opponent through convuluted means that specifically rely on the player logging off just to kill the ship. There should be a highly visible onscreen PvP timer (and probably also an annoying "you are PvP flagged, this means your ship will remain in space for 15 minutes, do you really really want to log" popup to go with it.) The displayed agression timer sort of works when NPCs shoot you, even though the rules on that are different, but for some reason has never been properly coded for PvP. To be sure, I disagreed with the ASCN titan loss for the same reasons. But at least that was avoidable, everyone knows if you use a DD, then log within 15 minutes, you'll still be flagged. But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and noticed the split-second message about the SB. That's a broken game, not a clever kill. it's called a damage log. Every client writes one to C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\capture\Gamelogs -----

Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [221] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 16/02/2007 21:55:24 Originally by: Chi Prime I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! lol as far as im concerned locking someone with passive targeter in a pos is an exploit. so this is still cheating
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [222] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime. Correct. They did. So what's your point? It's really a personal thing if people think this is a legit kill or not. I'd ask anyone who says "Yeah it's great, got a titan nailed!" to ask themselves if it would feel the same if BoBs titan was nailed the same way. And anyone who says "This is pathetic. This goes against the spirit of the game." to ask themselves would they still be saying it if it was BoBs titan they nailed that way. Would they justify it by saying BoB earned this kind of treatment? In any case, make your own opinions, and then don't bother posting them. What is done is done. And there's no point everybody posting "I think it rocks" and "I think it sucks". Galaxian Recruitment Info
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [223] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that. I have no idea what you mean lorth. I have always played fair and many people in mc know all my characters soyou are talking out of your ar*e. I have great respect to many ex suprm members in MC, which did include you. BUT LORTH STFU
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [224] Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:02:15
THEGREAT LOBO PsyCorp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [225] Lame.... Sorry for the loss d2 :(
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [226] Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? seems like it....alot of bull**** imo
Ordinaire Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [227] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Ordinaire Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"? I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You have proof of anything that I have ever done wrong in this game? Please let us all know about it, I'm curious now. I was referring to your so called alliance mates, RAT. Are you allowed to run a complex yet? ---------- Those I deem unworthy, shall fall down on their knees before me and call me king Ordinaire!
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [228] Quote: Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face Better get yourself together darlin Join the human race How in the world you gonna see Laughin at fools like me Who in the world you think you are A super star Well, right you are Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Evryone come on /me puts a lighter up. I'm going to say it's refreshing that people are saying "Dirty, and legit" at the same time. I hope that in due time people will understand that BOB isn't there because of a bunch of cheating idiots got together and did something, but more because of years of dedication and hard work and not only outplaying, but out-thinking opponents. Quality work BOB, to D2, my sincere apologies (as ffs that would hurt hurt hurt to have happen). With your industrial might I see it being no big deal in the long run for you though.
PeveS The Edge Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [229] Hmm... 7 pages of replies. 0 BoB in it. Says enough!
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [230] Edited by: Raivi on 16/02/2007 21:57:31 Grats to BoB on a well executed plan All (within game mechanics) is fair in love and war ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense

Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [231] Kill is always kill. Hate to say that, but : awesome job bob Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [232] I just hope noone better blame the titan pilot for this=) I don't think this was to be expected the idea was definitly out of the box and no matter how lame it was if it was outside pos shields then it was a lame but legit kill. Still does not change your fate =P The fact that you try things like this just shows how desperate you are .. or what a bunch of lamers you are =) --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [233] Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here. The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty. If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility... Galaxian Recruitment Info
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [234] Originally by: jarack By looking at these screenshots here: Screen Shot 1 It shows, that the D2 Titan, was at Planet VI - Moon 10, with the Covert-Ops smartbombing to create the agression timer. But if im at all wrong, please correct me here, but i am sure, if you log with agression you warp to a neutral point in system. Whereas in: Screen Shot 2 It shows the D2 Titan to be at Planet IV - Moon 12. Now i'm not entirely convinsed this location where the D2 titan logged has been placed legitimatly, because if there was a D2 POS at this current location, the titan ofcourse would be safe My thaughts... That is indeed the NEAREAST Object in space... not where you actually are.
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [235] there seems to be a lack of smart people reading before posting:-p the titan was outside shield, and smartied by a covops. seems pretty legit to me. brilliant, actually. I wish i had thought of that. GJ bob. bawk! Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:02:00 - [236] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 16/02/2007 21:55:24 Originally by: Chi Prime I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! lol as far as im concerned locking someone with passive targeter in a pos is an exploit. so this is still cheating That's good then, because they never did that. Try reading the thread before accusing people again. Next post from you better be an excuse.
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:03:00 - [237] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Metatron Celestia I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan. It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :) How do you class d2 using non d2 forums to gain IP addresses to match with there own TS and forum records? IS that not dirty meta gaming o dear Fred0?
DDaisy VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:03:00 - [238] Regardless of whether this ability to activate a hi-slot module inside a pos (although the .jpg would indicate it is outside) is considered an exploit or not is in all honesty irrelavent. Using spies? Sucks but hey that's part of the game? Using the spy to pass intel on that the pilot is about to log off and will drop the aggro on him? That is disgraceful, that is not in-game mechanics that is KNOWING someone is leaving the game for a period of time and EXPLOITING that. As someone posted earlier that is not what the log off timer was designed for. Well executed plan? Like heck it was. It was a lame manipulation of the EULA to access a loophole where there is a very grey area between in-game mechanics and exploiting someone who is legitimately logging off. People don't pay their subs to this game to have pillocks like that manipulate the rules and CCP are fools for letting it happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In the wake of DDaisy's Megathron"
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [239] Originally by: Lorth I need to sum up this thread. Goonswarm: Use a spy to find a POS with a titan building and destroy it. Thats ok AAA: Use a spy in the MC to attempt to do a fair amount of damage... Thats ok D2: Use spys as much as anyone, not to mention the whole forum thing... Thats ok BOB: Use a spy to aggro a dread pilot who logs without noticing it... Thats very bad Just in case anyone was wondering. Titan, actually, so multiply the price figure by what... 40? 80? Lamest kill (that I have "seen") ever, TBH. The aggro timer wasn't meant for this. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [240] Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:01:50 Originally by: aggro I have no idea what you mean lorth. I have always played fair and many people in mc know all my characters soyou are talking out of your ar*e. I have great respect to many ex suprm members in MC, which did include you. BUT LORTH STFU I'm just wondering why your not protesting the use of spys by your own allience against the MC, yet seem to go on a rage when bob does the same thing. I'm just pointing out your publicly chastizing BOB for doing a tactic that your own allience performed just last night (IE using a spy to gain an advantage) In which case I think that you need to admit that you have a double standered, and frankly appoligize to me, and the rest of the eve community for throwning mud around at a group utilizing the exact same tactics your own alliance does.

Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [241] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right? Poses don't die with crashed nodes. Its really too bad that LV couldn't put up a competent fight and instead had to hope that nuking the server over and over again would let them save their titan or at least get it petitioned back.
gazarsgo Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:05:00 - [242] if he did relog, why didn't he doomsday? is the doomsday not good enough to wtfpwn capital ships? i thought dreads had to be in siege mode or so? why couldn't he jumpgate out? capnuked too fast? why no cyno alt in the system to jump in d2 reinforcements from the place they just jumpgated friendlies to?
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:05:00 - [243] Wow. Lame. --------------
Major Raditz kaigaishii	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 - [244] Originally by: Kozak Maybe SirMolle can answer this one (after posting that they only fight for a challenge): Where is the challenge in killing 2x Offline Titans? that deserves a qft i think
Timo Baas	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 - [245] If you check the first screenshot posted by the cov ops you will see WOTANKN still in local with a green square , so no he had not already logged out at a guess.
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 - [246] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? ROFL, I have lost count of morons in this post, why is it CCP's faul that BoB planned and executed an EXCELLENT plan, if the titan pilot had logged INSIDE the POS shields then this would not have happened.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:07:00 - [247] Originally by: Timo Baas If you check the first screenshot posted by the cov ops you will see WOTANKN still in local with a green square , so no he had not already logged out at a guess. Just quoting this for people screaming he was agressed after he logged and he could never have known.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:07:00 - [248] Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? As soon as you log (unagressed), new agression doesn't count. So the only possible option is that he smartbombed the titan when he was logged on, which either boils down to the titan pilot being stupid of bob getting lucky he didn't notice. I don't know, but I'm thinking there is more to this on that level. Still, I think a small nos would have been a better solution as it doesn't give a big damage message on the Titan pilot's screen, but like I said I think there must have been more to this.
Yllyna	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:09:00 - [249] Lame.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:09:00 - [250] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? As soon as you log (unagressed), new agression doesn't count. So the only possible option is that he smartbombed the titan when he was logged on, which either boils down to the titan pilot being stupid of bob getting lucky he didn't notice. I don't know, but I'm thinking there is more to this on that level. Still, I think a small nos would have been a better solution as it doesn't give a big damage message on the Titan pilot's screen, but like I said I think there must have been more to this. Smartbomb effects dont show if you have effects turned off, nos effects still do afaik. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-

Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:09:00 - [251] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? As soon as you log (unagressed), new agression doesn't count. So the only possible option is that he smartbombed the titan when he was logged on, which either boils down to the titan pilot being stupid of bob getting lucky he didn't notice. I don't know, but I'm thinking there is more to this on that level. Still, I think a small nos would have been a better solution as it doesn't give a big damage message on the Titan pilot's screen, but like I said I think there must have been more to this. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg As you can see, the smartbomb just deactivated (it's red and the message) and you can still see wotank in local.
Kraven Kor Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:10:00 - [252] Originally by: Imode Dirty indeed, but that is the state of the game at the moment. As I was commenting to a friend just yesterday-- there's barely any honor left in EVE anymore because sadly its the nice guys who refuse to stoop to this level that finish last. You guys want to complain about this and other underhanded tactics used by those you are against yet you never want to own up to other dirty tactics that you yourselves use. Logon & logoff traps Client hacks TS spies Disabling POS's ... and the list goes on. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Yup. "May the best cheater win." What I wouldn't give to see a major war in EVE decided by the actual cohesion and skill of the winning fleet. The only way to win in EVE is to play fracking dirty, which I don't do very well, so what is the point to doing PVP? ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:10:00 - [253] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here. The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty. If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility... What, no it isnt! ANY agressive act AFTER the pilot has already logged wont engage the timer - why do you think freighters log when they jump into camps, before they decloak? Because they log, decloak for emergency warp, campers lick their lips and aggro, and about as its going into armour (30s or so with a nice big gang) it disappears, cos it never had the timer. You have to aggro them (or they aggro you as with Cyvok) for the timer to start, THEN if you aggro it again after log it will pick up another 15 minutes. ONLY if it was aggroed while online can it pick up the second 15 minutes. The pod e-warps and gets another 15 minutes as well. Why do people, even supposedly PVPers like Eddz, not understand how the timers work? I mean, CYVOK didnt, the 100 bajillion ASCN and other posters when the avatar died didnt, you dont, etc. Its a simple system. As to the kill, ******* nice plan, great use of a spy, excellently executed. My only qualm with it is that its not really good RP is it - nothing about logging off is, but it is really rather a sad thing that this cunning plan is how to kill a titan. One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Lilyeth	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:11:00 - [254] I thought its lame exploiting to crash nodes on purpose in order to kill an important and well defended POS, but everybody was cheering on it. Now attacking someone just before he logs out is considered lame cheating and completely without honor? Did I just miss something? Or did you guys miss something? Like the clue-train? "My Cheapness Sells" - Caritew, Chinafarmer
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:11:00 - [255] The kill was not cheating/hacking/exploiting/etc......but it was definately lame. Very lame. -----------------------------------------------
Metatron Celestia Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:11:00 - [256] Next time one logs out wtih a multi-billion isk ship, might recommend: 1) Turning on graphics/damage messages the entire way over to a safespot 2) Actually head inside a POS shield 3) Open and check damage logs 4) Wait last damage message +5 minutes 5) ???? 6) Now log out
Steel Rat Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [257] Thank you D2 for giving a statement. The rest of you yellin hax, cheat, cheap, lame, etc are an embarrasment to Eve quite frankly. 90% of you use lame tactics and spies yourselves. Its disgusting you come in here and whine and cry like spoiled children. Game mechanics is a fact of life in Eve. Until CCP can come up with better solutions regarding these issues we are going to have to live with it. I can't count how many times you whiners have griped about people logging on you to save themselves or how many times some of you have used logon traps or using your own spies to sniff out a titan building or use game mechanics to make billions in complexes. Well, with the current situation, you could potentially never lose a Titan if someone didn't come up with an evil but LEGIT plan to take it down. Its not like D2 drop their titan into the middle of 20 Dreads and say lets party. They like most people hide it and protect it and only expose it when there is minimal risk. There is no game mechanic that forces any of us into a fight so your enemies get to take potshots at you. But thats just the problem, Eve allows for you to not lose your stuff if you don't login and/or don't enter the fight. People have to get tricky to get the kill. Its a damned if you do and damned if you don't enviroment. Love it or Hate it, its Eve. But for the love of god, stop whining about it.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [258] I would just like to ask, WHERE IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TITAN GOING TO A POS? One moron assumes that it was and the whole thread turns into an argument about how bob cheated by targeting inside a pos. I got news for you, You can't target inside of a pos, or anything inside the bubble from outside, period. It must of been at a safe or moon or w/e for the covert ops to be able to lock him. End of story.
Doctor Muffin	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [259] The pvp timer was not intended to reflect friendly fire, it was put there to prevent people from engaging enemies then logging out. Anyone who says this isn't an exploit is either on drugs or has recently had a lobotomy. Why hasn't CCP put in an actual VISIBLE timer. And before any idiots come on and say it s the players responsibilty to count the time, just look at the timer that appears in top left of screen when you are engaged (not even requiring you to have taken offensive action, but rather just them firing on you). The fact that this timer exists validates the point that even CCP feels you are entitled to this information.
Horatio Nately Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [260] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right? tbh, its not their fault the node cant handle it. Overwelming firepower/manpower is a different concept then working game mechanics to your advantage. WOuldn't you rather send an assload of guys to take out a target of that high value? or just maybe hey there are 20 of us we can do it. --------------------------------------- My Usual Feedback: Pro BoB post = omg you suck up stfu. Anti BoB Post = omg add more tinfoil. Maybe its just my own opinion?

Red Fragg1e	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [261] Edited by: Red Fragg1e on 16/02/2007 22:09:28
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:12:00 - [262] anyway why u get agrro from someone that are on your gang ? @@@@@@ @@@@@@
Zomiaen Gallente Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:13:00 - [263] Originally by: Zara Torbe There seems to be a distinct lack of anything close to ADEQUATE TITAN PILOTS I am offering my services, i won't log off with aggro and i won't crash into Suns/planets or space stations, i Promise. WTF? This wasn't the pilots fault. 0.0 aggro timers you can't see. Sad to hear D2. Hard to say, but props to BoB, even if its a dirty tactic. _________________________ pirates wear pink! - eris was herrrrrrre
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:13:00 - [264] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! From the alliance who were ganking npc'rs in Stain using the wreck trick before it became public knowledge this is rich. Who used a spy to get the information the MC were off in the New Regions on contract? Who used a spy to identify LV's Titan Construction time? Who used a spy to offlined ISS's POS as IAC attacked? And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Myn
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:13:00 - [265] Originally by: McGin Edited by: McGin on 16/02/2007 21:22:46 Unlucky Guys keep fighting As Lame As It COMES!!! My sentiments exactly. How cheesy. So, now we have seen 2 titans eliminated via game mechanic manipulation. CCP you might wnt to consider changing the aggro timers for titans. I am all for weel thought out and executed plans, but to see mighty ships fall without any fight is stupid. When you absolutly NEED to know...
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:13:00 - [266] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: FowlPlayChiken wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime. Correct. They did. So what's your point? It's really a personal thing if people think this is a legit kill or not. I'd ask anyone who says "Yeah it's great, got a titan nailed!" to ask themselves if it would feel the same if BoBs titan was nailed the same way. And anyone who says "This is pathetic. This goes against the spirit of the game." to ask themselves would they still be saying it if it was BoBs titan they nailed that way. Would they justify it by saying BoB earned this kind of treatment? In any case, make your own opinions, and then don't bother posting them. What is done is done. And there's no point everybody posting "I think it rocks" and "I think it sucks". Best post ever. Now listen to the man and STFU. P.S. BoB are still h4xxorz and low-lifes. -
other mickey Gallente Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:14:00 - [267] Oh, the pilot prob had damage messages off to reduce game-lag, likewise with effects etc. Live and learn I guess.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:14:00 - [268] Originally by: Horatio Nately Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right? tbh, its not their fault the node cant handle it. Overwelming firepower/manpower is a different concept then working game mechanics to your advantage. WOuldn't you rather send an assload of guys to take out a target of that high value? or just maybe hey there are 20 of us we can do it. Not when they know the nodes will crash, they knew 100% certain it would happen.
Denrace Amarr JEM Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:15:00 - [269] Sorry to hear D2! Keep fighting boys! Den ________________________________________
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:15:00 - [270] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that. Have AAA used their spy to kill your capital ships and offline your poses to steal your stations yet? If not then stop crying, its what the rest of eve has been dealing with for a while. An alt to watch alliance chat is nothing, tighten up your security.

Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [271] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: ceaon anyway why u get agrro from someone that are on your gang ? Good question. First good question in this thread. Repost in ideas, perhaps? Indeed, should be a nominee for the question of the century.
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [272] Originally by: taylor04 Originally by: Tecam Hund Legit kill. However, if I were in a position to decide to go through with this plan or not, I would not give it a green light. Reasons are as simple as respect for the players behind the enemy characters. Titan pilot too has a life, and does have to log off, and it would be fair to let him do so without trying to pull aggression at the very last second. You can not prevent spies in alliances of thousands, and EVE is geared for numbers. Neither can you dock a titan. Of course the pilot could have logged inside the bubble, but I am sure there were reasons not to. This just puts more gasoline into fire. People will not be just satisfied with BoB losing space. The alliance and corporations within will be forced to disintegrate, and anybody with BoB in their employment history will have a black mark on them. I think BoB leadership should consider this before allowing operations of such nature. very well said dude! Yet, Goons knew that LV could not log into JV to respond to the fight and they didn't withdraw. They kept coming. And D2 and Allies heralded it as a fair fight. Really, I accept your post as long as you recognize your hypocrisy.
Kraven Kor Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [273] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Lorth Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then? Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self. Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that. Have AAA used their spy to kill your capital ships and offline your poses to steal your stations yet? If not then stop crying, its what the rest of eve has been dealing with for a while. An alt to watch alliance chat is nothing, tighten up your security. QFFT. Having a spy in an alliance piping you info is one thing. Corp theft, POS offlining, friendly fire -- any "good" alliance shouldn't need these tactics. We have created our own private hell by accepting and encouraging this metagaming crap (to the point it won't surprise me one bit if this entire devhaxsploit fiasco was just an extension of said metagaming.) I was in a VERY competent PVP corp who had no spies. A corp that, if we won a battle, it was because of the skill of the FC and Pilots, and mostly because of Comm Discipline. Some people here need to win so badly that they forget all that important stuff about "treating others as you wish to be treated." ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker
Ryjack Minmatar Black Hole Creations	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:25:00 - [274] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds. iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer. The huge difference being that the timer is supposed to be there to KEEP you from logging off for 15 minutes as opposed to let you log off unknowingly but keep the empty vulnerable ship in space. It's funny that it's the self-proclaimed best PvP alliance that would rather fight ships without pilots.
Imiarr Timshae Roid Vandals The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:25:00 - [275] Now, i'm never one to complain but : Quote Edited by: SirMolle on 14/02/2007 19:21:40 This is week 1. We have more and more enemies coming each day, more and more targets jumping on the bandwagon each day... And guess what? You're all dead. You just dont know it yet. Start moving your stuff from your stations, they wont be yours for much longer. Start looking for new space to occupy, it wont be yours much longer. You know why? We are BoB. ------- This is still week 1, and already a lovely agression timer tatic has been used, christ alone knows what BoB have up their sleve's for us in the coming weeks! Well, Bobbits, hurry up and post your "Agression Timer Cov-ops fitting" on the forums, every pilot in Eve wants to know what it is, incase, and this is very unlikly, anyone else ever resorts to that kind of play. I will move my ships from any stations i have, for fear of low-level exploits being used to take them, I'm waiting for BoB to log on and take a station during downtime, frankly. I'm dead already, and i don't know it, well, after today i think everyone know's their dead, they just cant come to any conclusion from a battle report that does not end in a legitimate petition. Thankfully, i have new space to occupy, your's, when you fall. And you will fall. You know why? You are BoB. -Imiarr Timshae- Originally by: Nwalmaer Err, he has an Interceptor and I have lost 3 Crows catching Bships personally. Did I mention how much ass you all suck? -Pushing game mechanics since 04/03
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:26:00 - [276] you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:26:00 - [277] well an awsom well executed and viable kill. Your loss is EVEs gain. Stop sucking at eve.
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:26:00 - [278] any1 could pls explain, why the titan pilot left the shields while warping to the ss? ----------------------------------
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [279] spies are lame ways to win wars :o/ knowledge is power.... guard it well
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [280] Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 16/02/2007 22:24:20 Legit kill BoB lame but legit. But this one isnt Linkage Sig removed - I love BoB so you cant have this sig.

Dafydd Merc Caldari White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [281] Originally by: Denrace But the points remains that even if the nodes were 100% capable of handling one thousand players, the sheer force that the "Allies" commited against the LV Titan would have prevailed regardless. Den This HAS to be said. Has nobody ever heard of the advantage going to the defender? I've got people from the military telling me that they are trained from the start that odds required to successfully mount an attack against a defender are 3:1. Against a well fortified defender, more. History proves these facts. Last I checked before the node crashed, we had 450 in local. You had 1000 incoming? Nice, that's a 2:1 odd start. Did you actually have 1500 incoming? Oh well then you've got yourself a historically proven probability of taking the field. However, remember that the allies could resupply at the local station. So the 450-500 in local would likely equal many more. Your winning was NOT a foregone conclusion. Yes, it would have been a good fight, but it never happened. Stop thinking your numbers would have won you the system automatically.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [282] Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game....... there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................
Naskaya Elegance Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [283] Destroying months of work with a pvp timer, created by a smartbomb from an ally/spy. Use this game mechanic to achieve this... Yes, it's just a game. But a sad game it is when seeing that.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:27:00 - [284] Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: Zomiaen Originally by: Zara Torbe There seems to be a distinct lack of anything close to ADEQUATE TITAN PILOTS I am offering my services, i won't log off with aggro and i won't crash into Suns/planets or space stations, i Promise. WTF? This wasn't the pilots fault. 0.0 aggro timers you can't see. Sad to hear D2. Hard to say, but props to BoB, even if its a dirty tactic. Sorry, but if your a pilot, and dont notice someone smartbombing you right before you log off, and your a titan pilot that is supposed to notice these things because the way steve died, then it is your fault, as that pilot. Try to check your logs while looking @ the ESC-menu... -- Might As well Train Another Race
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 - [285] I guess the only way to log a titan going forward will be to cyno, immediatly warp to a deepsafe that only you know about, cloak, and just afk and wait for downtime to boot you off.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 - [286] Originally by: aggro why cant people play fair. every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc. this game and tactics seem to be getting worse. USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP. LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE SCUM MENTALITY coughlog on trapscough ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Acle Mame The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:29:00 - [287] While I certainly can applaude BoB for executing a smart and precise plan, I'm at the same time disgusted by their lack of morale and ethics not only towards the community, but also towards themselves. The challenge in pulling this off is nowhere to be found other than relentlessly abusing game mechanics for unintended purposes. This isn't doing the game any good. How the aggro timer is set off needs to be reworked or entirely re-designed. Or there needs to be some kind of highly visible warning when you get one. I don't think that titans should only be killable by exploiting the aggro timer nor do I think that the lack of other killing methods justifies it. Titans should be killable, but it should be prevented that it happens in this fashion. It doesn't even matter if the titan was inside our outside the shield, the aggro timer isnt meant for this kind of thing. It is inplace to prevent people from logging off and that should be it. Thus I think CCP should reimburse this titan, because there needs to be a strong sign that this is not the way the devs want their game to go and especially not something epic like a titan kill. It feels wrong, it is wrong and we want this game to feel right.
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:29:00 - [288] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Chrome Coyote Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse? Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right? Poses don't die with crashed nodes. Its really too bad that LV couldn't put up a competent fight and instead had to hope that nuking the server over and over again would let them save their titan or at least get it petitioned back. Could Roadkill come up with the same percentage turnout as LV? I've got mucho respect for LV for being damn honed and fighting as hard as they have for as long as they have. As it turns I can only say kudos to the rapetrain for bringing that much participation. And as far as LV goes, I'd say the argument goes in favor of them when it comes to nuking the server with the "goon swarm". If LV had managed to pull 1,000 pilots out of their ass I think the situation would be mucho different, but afaik the report was 700 rapetrain 300 LV. I figure LV can easily carry the high ground here. Whether or not it's petitionable and returnable is another matter, but then again the EULA explicity says don't intentionally crash the server, and if there's resonable doubt, it's possible they get it back.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:29:00 - [289] I want to make something clear I never said BoB used an exploit or hax or whatever to kill the titan I dont know. I was however and still am greatly disturbed that a CCP employee would find it necessary to congratulate any faction fighting in a war. As I said before its like a ref saying "Nice shot!" everytime your opponent makes a basket. Now add to that the fact its been proven that the ref used to play on that team... You get the picture.
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 - [290] Lets all just slug it out in close range battleship, throw out those boring capital ships, and those boring pos crapping's, i cant believe people actually enjoy this eve pos's killing thing²

Acle Mame The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 - [291] Originally by: Falcon Tox Edited by: Falcon Tox on 16/02/2007 22:29:25 Originally by: Acle Mame While I certainly can applaude BoB for executing a smart and precise plan, I'm at the same time disgusted by their lack of morale and ethics not only towards the community, but also towards themselves. The challenge in pulling this off is nowhere to be found other than relentlessly abusing game mechanics for unintended purposes. This isn't doing the game any good. How the aggro timer is set off needs to be reworked or entirely re-designed. Or there needs to be some kind of highly visible warning when you get one. I don't think that titans should only be killable by exploiting the aggro timer nor do I think that the lack of other killing methods justifies it. Titans should be killable, but it should be prevented that it happens in this fashion. It doesn't even matter if the titan was inside our outside the shield, the aggro timer isnt meant for this kind of thing. It is inplace to prevent people from logging off and that should be it. Thus I think CCP should reimburse this titan, because there needs to be a strong sign that this is not the way the devs want their game to go and especially not something epic like a titan kill. It feels wrong, it is wrong and we want this game to feel right. And node crashes aren't meant to stem the course of battle either, yet you guys used them just fine in JV. At least admit your hypocrisy. By this logic, LV should be reimbursed. Yet you guys would cry enormously should that happen. I didn't talk about the JV thing, did I ? Pathetic attempt of trolling.
DinoC ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 - [292] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game....... there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................ WE still fighting thank you, and you are? Go back to your little corner. In case you did not notice BOD is a ticker used very frequently to refer to BoB uberness, including their ability to kill offlne titans. [orange]Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit [/
LLago Cesarii	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 - [293] This just goes to show how much trouble BoD has killing an enemy that is standing up, clenching fists and looking them in the eye, it's why BoD will lose. D2 can't be bullied. Smartbombing a logged of Titan to EXPLOIT the aggro timer sure sounds like just what it was...an exploit.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 - [294] Originally by: Fitz Regal Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Which bit of using a passive targetter to fire through pos shields did u miss? Which bit of it not being a pasive targeter but a smart bomb, and the titan being outside the shield when it got hit by it did you miss? Post 52 in this thread. Go look. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:36:00 - [295] Edited by: Trypho on 16/02/2007 22:33:11 This game is turning into `Backstab Online` if you ask me. Do we really want this to be the way we fight wars? Where is the fun in it, and why does BOD go this low? Should we stop trusting everyone in our corporation because BOD might have bribed them? This is just as lame as the 0OY-spy we had a while back in ASCN who offlined all of the POS so BOD could come and take the system - if BOD can`t achieve something they just go the other way around without even the slightest piece of honour. I hope this makes even more alliances join the coalition against BOD - this is pretty ridiculous. I`m sorry for your loss, D2, this is a very lame way to lose a Titan...
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:36:00 - [296] There is literally no difference between D2 and BOB, except BOB isn't whining today.
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:36:00 - [297] All the stuff from the Coalition whining about spies, dirty tricks and what not is laughably hypocritical. Remember Jacob Majestic? The alt of Goonswarm director The Mitanni, who offlined POS's? (And who later spammed the ISS boards with ****ographic trash? and hacked the Eve client, etc.) Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. The Coalition is as dirty as they come, from D2's little games with IP addresses, to RA's complex exploits, to Goonswarm's many dirty tricks. What BoB did here was clever and impactful -- and not the least bit as dirty as this other stuff. Way to go BoB! Do it again!
Ohmite Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:36:00 - [298] Lots of people claiming we can do lame tactics because they did it to so there!!! isnt a viable reason for trying to achieve something in game by actually bending the rules beyond all recognition to win I dont support any exploits from any alliance including my own which requires underhand tactics to achieve a win, this is a game where you shoot people to win in game, not by hacking alliance forums or killing a player when a player is not logged on I hoped this war would allow players to confront each other on the field of battle, logged on and in system and superior firepower, tactics, bottle, daring etc would win out but it seems I am sadly mistaken CCP are to blame in allowing this to get this far and not stopping dubious and unethical tactics to prosper from ALL sides BOB you are great PVPers as are the alliances you are fighting - show it by fighting fair and upfront - ALL OF YOU/US
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 - [299] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 - [300] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY

mrevilbe arrrrrg corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 - [301] judging by the fact the guy had a smart bomb on his covert ops in the firts place ready its obvious they intended to catch the D2 titan as it was logging off.... i agree with most people it is kind of lame to try and catch people that way.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 - [302] Well, the first time this happened everyone said "dumb pilot". Sorry, I can't say "dumb pilot" this time. This is meta-gaming. Look, coming up with a plan to have a spy gang with you and let you warp to a safe-spotted titan is playing the game. Paying a spy to ping a titan and tell you when he logs out so that you can come kill him when he can't defend himself due to the game mechanics isn't playing the game. It's playing the way that the game is implemented. So, no, this is not a matter of "all is fair in war". Meta-gaming sucks. The people who will stoop to doing it suck, and are just demonstrating pure and simple that they have no concept of honorable conduct or fair play. It doesn't get any simpler than that. They need to go, and they will. I don't see them being able to pull enough of this crap to save themselves this time, and the more they do it, the more they will just harden the resolve of those who want to see them dead. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 - [303] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Isn't locking inside a POS shield with a Passive Target an exploit? Yes, Yes it is. But it should come as no surprise that the dirstiest cheapest most underhanded *****ish alliance in the game would stopp as low to exploit like this. I t appears the the Band of Dev Cheaters has managed to one up themself in the new all time lows they have commited. Grats BOD on the cheating, the exploiting. ________________________________________________________
HellSpeed angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 - [304] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Well, dev haxsploit yes, but not plain ol normal haxsploit. Using Passive Targeters to target inside a POS bubble is an exploit. The Erebus was outside the bubble in the last screen I saw
Largo DuAquin Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 - [305] Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's??? I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà Greez Largo
bluebandit Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:39:00 - [306] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! o/ signed.
Plaetean Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [307] Yep I was right. Condolences to D2, keep holding it down strong guys. -----
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [308] Edited by: NightmareX on 16/02/2007 22:37:54 Ok for those who are talking about that the titan pilot still was logged in when the spy smartbombed him. I can confirm that i have been told that i'm disapearing and get logged off like 2-3 mins after i actually logged off, and i have even logged inn my alt in the same system as my main and i still see my main character in local for some mins even when my main character IS logged off, and then suddenly my main logs off after some mins. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [309] Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? YES Thats how they bust BoB spys and worse still they did it by breaking internation laws!
Imiarr Timshae Roid Vandals The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [310] Well, my very consise conclusion is this : What a bloody ** take. -Imiarr Timshae- Originally by:** Nwalmaer Err, he has an Interceptor and I have lost 3 Crows catching Bships personally. Did I mention how much ass you all suck? -Pushing game mechanics since 04/03

Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [311] Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? SOOO Angry.... have you tried Decaf ? or maybe valium Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [312] Edited by: Dirtball on 16/02/2007 22:39:39 well it's the very definition of exploiting game mechanics sure you can exploit a bug. But exploiting in MMO lingo is something that has to be intervened upon by GM's because it's using fully functioning game mechanics and game mechanics that can't/shouldn't be changed to prevent an exploit. Passive targetters in this case worked as intended Warping 1km away upon logoff worked as intended 15 minute aggression timer worked as intended But were those features put in the game for this type of thing to occur? I don't think so. A log on trap was considered an exploit at one time, were any bugs involved? no. Camping jump in points way back in the day was considered an exploit at one time, was that exploiting a bug? no. Edit: I belive someone said once that bookmarking mission acceleration gates to come back later and attack someone else at them was an exploit since they seemed to spawn in the spots pretty much or something, not a bug, but an exploit. An example of exploiting game mechanics in say world of warcraft, is trading wins in the battlegrounds. but I guess in CCP's case exploiting deserves a big GRATS
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 - [313] Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. --------------------------------
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 - [314] Edited by: searchi on 16/02/2007 22:38:29 who made underhand tactics and dirty play acceptable within a wide portion of eve ? right, it was bob . they achieve most of their succeses mainly by such means. like traitors offlining pos, ts spies reporting every fleetorder and so on. without such they wouldnt even be half as succesfull. by using such means and bragging about it they spread the disease troughout eve. they want to win at ALL cost. this disgusting cancer needs to be cut out of eve for good. eve culture is going downhill with them around. arjun
Pika Chu Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 - [315] Originally by: DinoC Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game....... there ticker is BoB you retard, ** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................ WE still fighting thank you, and you are? Go back to your little corner. In case you did not notice BOD is a ticker used very frequently to refer to BoB uberness, including their ability to kill offlne titans. You may not have noticed but calling them BoD or whatever will get your forum account warned/banned. Its akin to someone calling you Peices of ** instead of your real name, and im sure you wouldnt like that.
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 - [316] Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [317] Originally by: Gibmundur Lets all just slug it out in close range battleship, throw out those boring capital ships, and those boring pos crapping's, i cant believe people actually enjoy this eve pos's killing thing² I'd hug you but i'm scared my hardon might put you off... -----
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [318] Originally by: Largo DuAquin Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's??? I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà Just wanted to quote this before it's edited. I would also like to point everyone who is whining about the use of spys here. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [319] Originally by: Pawnee BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies. ITS BOB YOU RETARD NOW GO GET A CORP. LMAO
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [320] BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies.

Ryuuka eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [321] in all fairness bulabuba: honor doesn't bring yo victory and besides it was a lucky find and good kill. i for one think the speed at wich bob responded to this is admirable but i don't think they would have managed to do this in battle. so the standard ending here: grats to bob, sorry for D2(you'll build a new one)
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [322] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" Does BOD make cash? I thought they just had thier stuff spawned for them. ________________________________________________________
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [323] Originally by: Gibmundur Lets all just slug it out in close range battleship, throw out those boring capital ships, and those boring pos crapping's, i cant believe people actually enjoy this eve pos's killing thing² I'd hug you but i'm scared my hardon might put you off... -----
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [324] Originally by: Largo DuAquin Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's??? I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà Just wanted to quote this before it's edited. I would also like to point everyone who is whining about the use of spys here. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 - [325] Originally by: Pawnee BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies. ITS BOB YOU RETARD NOW GO GET A CORP. LMAO
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [326] Originally by: The FAQ 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Originally by: EVE Banning Policy 1. EXPLOITS An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if: * a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. * b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. * c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts. * d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD). * e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug. * f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: * a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity. * b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory. * c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players. The passive targetting bug is a known error in the game that can be exploited for a gain that would not otherwise possible - in this case, killing a Titan. As clearly stated above, its use is an exploit and breach of the rules and is a bannable offense. Now, I'm not calling for anyone to be banned here, but I find it reprehensible that people are congratulating BoB for the use of an exploit that earned them a kill they didn't deserve, regardless of whether or not it was masterfully pulled off. A kill that exploits a known error in the game's code is a dishonourable kill, and a dishonourable kill is no kill at all. Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves. This post represents my own private view and should not be taken as representative of the opinion of my corporation or alliance. ***
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [327] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss Get involved then maybe people will care what you think/post Black Lance Brother
rik jonno Minmatar ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [328] Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:58 Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:26 Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game....... there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................ BOD--Alt? LV---ALT? CCP--ALT? PLACE YOUR BETS Post with your main!!!!
Lost Daughter Agents Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [329] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Even if we brought even numbers the node would have crashed. What would you propose we do, wait until D2 voluntarily decides to NOT defend their pos??? If u want, but as you are fighting LV i would recommend you wait for them to log off, as D2 logging off wont have much effect on the LV defenses.. :) Picking on typos 4TW Good kill BoB, very well executed..
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [330] Originally by: The FAQ 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Originally by: EVE Banning Policy 1. EXPLOITS An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if: * a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. * b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. * c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts. * d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD). * e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug. * f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: * a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity. * b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory. * c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players. The passive targetting bug is a known error in the game that can be exploited for a gain that would not otherwise possible - in this case, killing a Titan. As clearly stated above, its use is an exploit and breach of the rules and is a bannable offense. Now, I'm not calling for anyone to be banned here, but I find it reprehensible that people are congratulating BoB for the use of an exploit that earned them a kill they didn't deserve, regardless of whether or not it was masterfully pulled off. A kill that exploits a known error in the game's code is a dishonourable kill, and a dishonourable kill is no kill at all. Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves. This post represents my own private view and should not be taken as representative of the opinion of my corporation or alliance. ***

Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [331] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss Get involved then maybe people will care what you think/post Black Lance Brother
rik jonno Minmatar ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [332] Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:58 Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:26 Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game....... there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................ BOD--Alt? LV---ALT? CCP--ALT? PLACE YOUR BETS Post with your main!!!!
Lost Daughter Agents Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 - [333] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Even if we brought even numbers the node would have crashed. What would you propose we do, wait until D2 voluntarily decides to NOT defend their pos??? If u want, but as you are fighting LV i would recommend you wait for them to log off, as D2 logging off wont have much effect on the LV defenses.. :) Picking on typos 4TW Good kill BoB, very well executed..
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [334] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. Talking about breaking lines while you break laws...
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [335] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Wars are dirty. The one who tries to fight without getting his hands dirty will loose. History has shown this to be the case. All must be within game rules. That is the only limit that applies and should be respected. Use any legit advantage you can get. The above is true in this war and any other war. Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [336] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [337] Originally by: Falcon Tox Originally by: taylor04 Originally by: Tecam Hund Legit kill. However, if I were in a position to decide to go through with this plan or not, I would not give it a green light. Reasons are as simple as respect for the players behind the enemy characters. Titan pilot too has a life, and does have to log off, and it would be fair to let him do so without trying to pull aggression at the very last second. You can not prevent spies in alliances of thousands, and EVE is geared for numbers. Neither can you dock a titan. Of course the pilot could have logged inside the bubble, but I am sure there were reasons not to. This just puts more gasoline into fire. People will not be just satisfied with BoB losing space. The alliance and corporations within will be forced to disintegrate, and anybody with BoB in their employment history will have a black mark on them. I think BoB leadership should consider this before allowing operations of such nature. very well said dude! Yet, Goons knew that LV could not log into JV to respond to the fight and they didn't withdraw. They kept coming. And D2 and Allies heralded it as a fair fight. Really, I accept your post as long as you recognize your hypocrisy. Frankly, I don't give a crap about Goons. I am not taking sides. Though bringing large fleets to battles (even if on purpose to create lag) is entirely different issue, and should not be mixed with this.
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [338] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. You and your allies crossed that line long ago, and in a big way. You aren't better than BoB morally; you're hypocrites. You're just not as good at Eve.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [339] Originally by: Helen Wow this game is going downhill fast. Agree, with the amount off ppl logging off to save their ships and ccp giving it th eblind eye. Tho props for d2 for such a good post and giving us a clarify. Its just a ship and u have a new one in a week rdy to pew pew! And pop ebil things with =)
Cosmic Flame Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [340] You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure.

Local pusher	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [341] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. Talking about breaking lines while you break laws...
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [342] Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 22:50:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Wars are dirty. The one who tries to fight without getting his hands dirty will loose. History has shown this to be the case. All must be within game rules. That is the only limit that applies and should be respected. Use any legit advantage you can get. The above is true in this war and any other war. Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [343] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [344] Originally by: Falcon Tox Originally by: taylor04 Originally by: Tecam Hund Legit kill. However, if I were in a position to decide to go through with this plan or not, I would not give it a green light. Reasons are as simple as respect for the players behind the enemy characters. Titan pilot too has a life, and does have to log off, and it would be fair to let him do so without trying to pull aggression at the very last second. You can not prevent spies in alliances of thousands, and EVE is geared for numbers. Neither can you dock a titan. Of course the pilot could have logged inside the bubble, but I am sure there were reasons not to. This just puts more gasoline into fire. People will not be just satisfied with BoB losing space. The alliance and corporations within will be forced to disintegrate, and anybody with BoB in their employment history will have a black mark on them. I think BoB leadership should consider this before allowing operations of such nature. very well said dude! Yet, Goons knew that LV could not log into JV to respond to the fight and they didn't withdraw. They kept coming. And D2 and Allies heralded it as a fair fight. Really, I accept your post as long as you recognize your hypocrisy. Frankly, I don't give a crap about Goons. I am not taking sides. Though bringing large fleets to battles (even if on purpose to create lag) is entirely different issue, and should not be mixed with this.
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [345] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. You and your allies crossed that line long ago, and in a big way. You aren't better than BoB morally; you're hypocrites. You're just not as good at Eve.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [346] Originally by: Helen Wow this game is going downhill fast. Agree, with the amount off ppl logging off to save their ships and ccp giving it th eblind eye. Tho props for d2 for such a good post and giving us a clarify. Its just a ship and u have a new one in a week rdy to pew pew! And pop ebil things with =)
Cosmic Flame Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:45:00 - [347] You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure.
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [348] Originally by: Ryuuka in all fairness bulabuba: honor doesn't bring yo victory ok, no more fairness.
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [349] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc Oh my you threw down the respect gauntlet? When have you shown anyone any respect? You need new material.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [350] Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:43:11 Originally by: Stitcher Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves. Post # 52 in this thread, easy to miss though

ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [351] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. What would be the difference between your spy telling you "bob is in system X" and you killing them to him telling you "bob is in system X" and helping you kill them? Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [352] Can someone in d2 pester the op to change it to Smart Bombed outside the POS shields so maybe people will stop saying omg passive target haxzspolitz please?
Noreen Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [353] Kudos to D2 for building a titan and even more for actually having a human being fly it, rather then a shared account thats online 23/7 like Shrike Keel em D2
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [354] lol. this entire war reminds me of another war, fought not so long ago. I laugh with the fury of a thousand suns placed within a pizza oven. Who are you trying to convince? All of EvE is involved in this war. no one is left to bandwagon, where in lies the point of crying haxsploits. To raise moral? puhhhlease. ACSN tried that card as well, it didn't work out to well. you got a hit on the chin, quit *****ing like a bunch of school girls.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [355] Originally by: Boliknar I want to make something clear I never said BoB used an exploit or hax or whatever to kill the titan I dont know. I was however and still am greatly disturbed that a CCP employee would find it necessary to congratulate any faction fighting in a war. As I said before its like a ref saying "Nice shot!" everytime your opponent makes a basket. Now add to that the fact its been proven that the ref used to play on that team... You get the picture. zOMG they got props for killing the first AND second titan in the game. I WANT MASSIVE LAYOFFS AT CCP!?!?! EXp1i07H/\XZ0R1337z BoDs tehy cheeters and EVERYTHING D2 was there on diplomatic terms and didn'te even want to shoot pplz <-(my personal summary of 99% of this thread) You all wanted to get in the **, and now your crying cause you just got dirty. God i used to LOVE to hate bob. But the orgy of bull and hate mongering, the screams of cheating and exploits and whatever. And we all know every other group in eve has a spotless history. (can someone tell my why they call it a logoffski?) This is not what eve is about. You want a war? You got it. In war there are losses, in a game there are discrepancies, YOU FALL DOWN? YOU PULL YOUR TOGETHER, SAY 'GF' AND MOVE ON. If you feel you treated unfairly, file a petition. After that, any crying you do only makes you look bad. .... i once upon a time all i would have wanted would to be in on the dethroning of Band of Brothers. After looking at you all the past few days, the mob of screaming players foaming at the mouth on the forums... i'd be fracking ashamed. Go LV, Go BoB! Show them what organization and determination does. You guys should really cry more about bob downing your titan, and them cheating, and how its all devs and not players and whatever else helps your epeen sleep well at night The shroud of the ***3s has fallen, begun the forum wars have.
Pawnee	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [356] Originally by: Ryuuka in all fairness bulabuba: honor doesn't bring yo victory ok, no more fairness.
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [357] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc Oh my you threw down the respect gauntlet? When have you shown anyone any respect? You need new material.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [358] Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:43:11 Originally by: Stitcher Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves. Post # 52 in this thread, easy to miss though
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [359] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. What would be the difference between your spy telling you "bob is in system X" and you killing them to him telling you "bob is in system X" and helping you kill them? Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [360] Can someone in d2 pester the op to change it to Smart Bombed outside the POS shields so maybe people will stop saying omg passive target haxzspolitz please?

Noreen Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [361] Kudos to D2 for building a titan and even more for actually having a human being fly it, rather then a shared account thats online 23/7 like Shrike Keel em D2
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [362] lol. this entire war reminds me of another war, fought not so long ago. I laugh with the fury of a thousand suns placed within a pizza oven. Who are you trying to convince? All of EvE is involved in this war. no one is left to bandwagon, where in lies the point of crying haxsploits. To raise moral? puhhhlease. ACSN tried that card as well, it didn't work out to well. you got a hit on the chin, quit *****ing like a bunch of school girls.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:46:00 - [363] Originally by: Boliknar I want to make something clear I never said BoB used an exploit or hax or whatever to kill the titan I dont know. I was however and still am greatly disturbed that a CCP employee would find it necessary to congratulate any faction fighting in a war. As I said before its like a ref saying "Nice shot!" everytime your opponent makes a basket. Now add to that the fact its been proven that the ref used to play on that team... You get the picture. zOMG they got props for killing the first AND second titan in the game. I WANT MASSIVE LAYOFFS AT CCP!?!?! EXp1i07H/\XZ0R1337z BoDs tehy cheeters and EVERYTHING D2 was there on diplomatic terms and didn'te even want to shoot pplz <-(my personal summary of 99% of this thread) You all wanted to get in the **, and now your crying cause you just got dirty. God i used to LOVE to hate bob. But the orgy of bull and hate mongering, the screams of cheating and exploits and whatever. And we all know every other group in eve has a spotless history. (can someone tell my why they call it a logoffski?) This is not what eve is about. You want a war? You got it. In war there are losses, in a game there are discrepancies, YOU FALL DOWN? YOU PULL YOUR TOGETHER, SAY 'GF' AND MOVE ON. If you feel you treated unfairly, file a petition. After that, any crying you do only makes you look bad. .... i once upon a time all i would have wanted would to be in on the dethroning of Band of Brothers. After looking at you all the past few days, the mob of screaming players foaming at the mouth on the forums... i'd be fracking ashamed. Go LV, Go BoB! Show them what organization and determination does. You guys should really cry more about bob downing your titan, and them cheating, and how its all devs and not players and whatever else helps your epeen sleep well at night The shroud of the ***3s has fallen, begun the forum wars have.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [364] Just when you think eve cant go any further down the toilet, it does. GTC expires in a couple of months and that'll be it for me I think. Have fun in this unpleasant imaginery world that you have created.
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [365] OVERCONFIDENCE: Before you attempt to beat the odds....Be sure you could survive the odds beating you! __________
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [366] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT?
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [367] Just when you think eve cant go any further down the toilet, it does. GTC expires in a couple of months and that'll be it for me I think. Have fun in this unpleasant imaginery world that you have created.
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [368] OVERCONFIDENCE: Before you attempt to beat the odds....Be sure you could survive the odds beating you! __________
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:47:00 - [369] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT?
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:48:00 - [370] Originally by: Dawn Princess Just when you think eve cant go any further down the toilet, it does. GTC expires in a couple of months and that'll be it for me I think. Have fun in this unpleasant imaginery world that you have created. can I have your stuff please?

DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:48:00 - [371] Originally by: Noreen Kudos to D2 for building a titan and even more for actually having a human being fly it, rather then a shared account thats online 23/7 like Shrike Keel em D2 This just in. Shared accounts are human. Shrike has been petitioned a dozen times, each time it was seen that he's simply idle'ing in a station for most of his online time. You're a true blue acsn though. Never able to admit defeat, always up to blame your horrible and laughable failure on your Enemy. You're swine.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:48:00 - [372] Originally by: Dawn Princess Just when you think eve cant go any further down the toilet, it does. GTC expires in a couple of months and that'll be it for me I think. Have fun in this unpleasant imaginery world that you have created. can I have your stuff please?
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:48:00 - [373] Originally by: Noreen Kudos to D2 for building a titan and even more for actually having a human being fly it, rather then a shared account thats online 23/7 like Shrike Keel em D2 This just in. Shared accounts are human. Shrike has been petitioned a dozen times, each time it was seen that he's simply idle'ing in a station for most of his online time. You're a true blue acsn though. Never able to admit defeat, always up to blame your horrible and laughable failure on your Enemy. You're swine.
Seryius Equitus Nosferatum Praetorians	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:48:00 - [374] That's a pitty.. a Titan must be destroyed in combat, not with lame tactics. However, this fact shows one more time to eve community who is an honorable fairplayer and who not. C'mon Dusk and Down!! Crush them!!!!
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:49:00 - [375] Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure. Actually Imode, some people turn those off in POS ops as they are stated to cause lag. Silly eh? One game mechanic to rule them all!
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:50:00 - [376] Edited by: Cupdeez on 16/02/2007 22:46:55 Originally by: Chi Prime I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! onces a cheater always a cheater? Sorry about the loss D2.. If he logged off from inside that POS then no aggro timer should have happened since you can't lock inside the sheilds with or without a password on it. Although BOB has proven they can (look on youtub) The uses of the spy might or might not have been good depending on the type of intel he was getting. If bob did this without an exploit it might have been a low thing but its part of the game. On another note we are coming for you next BOD onces we clear LV from 0.0 space.. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Spiderweb Caldari Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:50:00 - [377] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Wow im in shock Absolutely brilliant trick by BoB. respect, BoB are truly brilliant when it comes to war tactics in this game. sorry to D2 but you guys were outplayed (it was a awesome dirty trick, but perfectly legit in the context of a War) ----------------------------------------------- "For today, the arm of Unity clenched its fist..."
Zissou 5 November	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:51:00 - [378] Last time I checked, it isn't customary to fit a micro smartbomb to a cov ops frigate. BOBs plan was obviously to destroy the titan if the opportunity arose when the controlling player logged. Good use of planning. Abuse of game mechanics. Lame kill. Just what I've come to expect from BOB.
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:51:00 - [379] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Falcon Tox Originally by: taylor04 Originally by: Tecam Hund Legit kill. However, if I were in a position to decide to go through with this plan or not, I would not give it a green light. Reasons are as simple as respect for the players behind the enemy characters. Titan pilot too has a life, and does have to log off, and it would be fair to let him do so without trying to pull aggression at the very last second. You can not prevent spies in alliances of thousands, and EVE is geared for numbers. Neither can you dock a titan. Of course the pilot could have logged inside the bubble, but I am sure there were reasons not to. This just puts more gasoline into fire. People will not be just satisfied with BoB losing space. The alliance and corporations within will be forced to disintegrate, and anybody with BoB in their employment history will have a black mark on them. I think BoB leadership should consider this before allowing operations of such nature. very well said dude! Yet, Goons knew that LV could not log into JV to respond to the fight and they didn't withdraw. They kept coming. And D2 and Allies heralded it as a fair fight. Really, I accept your post as long as you recognize your hypocrisy. Frankly, I don't give a crap about Goons. I am not taking sides. Though bringing large fleets to battles (even if on purpose to create lag) is entirely different issue, and should not be mixed with this. lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not? No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you.
Athelas Loraiel Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:52:00 - [380] Athelas Loraiel > shot Athelas Loraiel > or get shot by microsmartie Athelas Loraiel > hi Athelas Loraiel > is it true you aggroed thattitan?? Lucentis > Er, hi? Athelas Loraiel > yes, hi. Athelas Loraiel > http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg Athelas Loraiel > check it Athelas Loraiel > says your cov op microbombed d2 titan Lucentis > Good observation Athelas Loraiel > so it is true?? Athelas Loraiel > why? Athelas Loraiel > u there? Lucentis > Yeah. To answer your question; I am a dirty BoB spy. Lucentis > It was a well executed trap. Thats all there is to it Athelas Loraiel > realy? Athelas Loraiel > or you're pulling me Lucentis > Yes its true, sorry for the afkness I'm kind of swamped Athelas Loraiel > well, although if you are bob, I hope that you feel good with yourselves, you cant kill a titan without using underhand cheap tricks. -------------- On the lookout for /restricted word that means ppl who work on the game/ in BOD disguise. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Oiri Yusko

Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:52:00 - [381] Originally by: Stitcher Now, I'm not calling for anyone to be banned here, but I find it reprehensible that people are congratulating BoB for the use of an exploit that earned them a kill they didn't deserve, regardless of whether or not it was masterfully pulled off. A kill that exploits a known error in the game's code is a dishonourable kill, and a dishonourable kill is no kill at all. Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves. This post represents my own private view and should not be taken as representative of the opinion of my corporation or alliance. I'm guessing you haven't read the whole thread, but it wasn't a passive targeter. The person used a smartbomb, and there is pictorial evidence from the covert ops pilot who caused the agression right when he did it. The Erebus was outside the POS shields. It is a perfectly legitimate kill. Therefor, you should retract your statements. Instead, talk about BoB being jerks for using spies.
Dinamita Tona Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:53:00 - [382] Originally by: Fedaykinn Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 21:54:25 Originally by: Imode Originally by: Fedaykinn Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out. At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in. Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on You also have the balls to fight a Titan before it's even built. Props. LMAO we alrdy have 2 titans to deal with you really think we want another one? its was a well planned attack to take it out before it was even built we got enough enemy titans DDing us alrdy Seriously ur sayin if you knew a enemy titan was in production and you already had 2 of em to deal. And you knew you had a good chance of taking it out before its finally produced you wouldnt take it? What we did was a strategic attack on LV, what BOB did was a underhand tactic to take out a logged off titan hmm which is more honourable ? - Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out. Lmao that isnt funny it shows BoB knows how to play and save their Titan. - At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in. Props for that - LMAO we alrdy have 2 titans to deal with you really think we want another one? its was a well planned attack to take it out before it was even built we got enough enemy titans DDing us already What that have to do with anything. Your enemies are more competent than you. They have titans you don't. - Seriously ur sayin if you knew a enemy titan was in production and you already had 2 of em to deal. And you knew you had a good chance of taking it out before its finally produced you wouldnt take it? Of course i would take it anyone would. And im sure as hell BoB would. And you did. Props again for numbers and all. But fact is you are craying about D2 losing titan to hax and exploits when you used same thing to even get in chance to utilize chance to kill LV titan in production. Spys ftw, Hypocrits FTL. - What we did was a strategic attack on LV, what BOB did was a underhand tactic to take out a logged off titan hmm which is more honourable ? What you did is spaying on TS and spaying to get position of pos with titan, what bob did was same thing. And reminder. Titan wasnt loged off. It was loged on for 80 % of the fight. edit: typo
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:53:00 - [383] Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. QED...just for all the ppl thinking this game is going downhill...fast...one of the best examples ever... btw.: Your CapsLock seem to be stucked... -- Might As well Train Another Race
Spinnukur Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:53:00 - [384] First off, I have total respect for D2 coming out so fast and saying how it went down...Second, we all know BOB is a bunch of BOD cheats who are just trying to take the pressure off of CCP and themselves. Its kind of deja vuish to what happened to the ASCN Titan don't you think?
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:53:00 - [385] Originally by: Seryius That's a pitty.. a Titan must be destroyed in combat, not with lame tactics. However, this fact shows one more time to eve community who is an honorable fairplayer and who not. C'mon Dusk and Down!! Crush them!!!! You do know that most of the corps in this new found anti-bob allience have at one time been accused, and sometimes admited to "expanding the borders of fair play" them selves. This isn't as cut and dry as "Bob are cheaters we are saints" as most people seem to think it is.
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:54:00 - [386] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure. Actually Imode, some people turn those off in POS ops as they are stated to cause lag. Silly eh? One game mechanic to rule them all! as uch as i hate to flame a MC (really <3 MC). Buy a better computer then. 40+ fps and <5 sec loading while warping to pos fight 4tw! (90sec warp lag 4tl!) -----
Dinamita Tona Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:54:00 - [387] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here. The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty. If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility... Take look at screenies some more and you might noticed that pilot was on with green box next to his name when smartie was fired dumbass
Muzzh	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:54:00 - [388] Originally by: Local pusher Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. Talking about breaking lines while you break laws... IP's are no private property and you dont break any law anywhere when you collect them (and you can get them pretty easily anytime so using that to justify bob's actions is pretty weak). Also lets not forget that D2 just used them to catch BoB spies to prevent that things like this one here can happen. For me this whole thing is an exploit cause it obviously uses a game mechanic in a way it wasnt intended to be used. It cant be that a friendly ship can aggro the own titan and result and lotsa billion isk lose. Ofc do all alliances use spies, but plz get real, D2 lost like 50 billion isk here, thats no minor thing and one spy shouldnt be able to deal such damage to an alliance through exploiting game mechanics. Thats now how CCP wants this game to be played or? And i hope neither do the players want this game to be played.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:54:00 - [389] Originally by: Ryuuka in all fairness bulabuba: honor doesn't bring yo victory and besides it was a lucky find and good kill. i for one think the speed at wich bob responded to this is admirable but i don't think they would have managed to do this in battle. so the standard ending here: grats to bob, sorry for D2(you'll build a new one) That's very true, and I'm not trying to say that all warfare in Eve should be restricted to honorable duels fought at sunrise. What I am saying is that there should be a basic standard that we win or lose in the game, not be exploiting the mechanics of the game. Yes, it was a well executed plan on BoB's part. But a well executed plan to exploit the game mechanics is still exploiting the game mechanics. If they had paid this same spy to betray the titan's location to them so that they could come kill it, I'd be applauding. Paying a spy to tell them when a ship logs out so that they can intentionally exploit the way logging out works in the game is just B.S. It's alright though. They're about to run up against some folks who don't mind winning through pushing the servers beyond they can stand. I hope they manage to keep their "all is fair" attitude when they start falling to them. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 - [390] Originally by: Falcon Tox lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not? No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you. First off, you need to show your alliance and corp ticker. I feel bad for the mods today, lot of you alts coming out of the woodworks. Second, do you have any proof that GS had the strict intent of crashing the node? How do you know that they didn't just bring a lot of ships because they thought they would need them? I'm not trying to be snide, if you have proof I will agree with you.

Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 - [391] Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:51:23
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 - [392] Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war but... it was an exploit.... ________________________________________________________
Cosmic Flame Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 - [393] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure. Actually Imode, some people turn those off in POS ops as they are stated to cause lag. Silly eh? One game mechanic to rule them all! But that is not BoB's fault, that is his own fault for turning them off if that is the case. But alot of posters are hypocrits. They only see what they wanna see. They care nothing for the cold hard facts Don't speak English, hate BoB, hate Bob, hate BoB
Falcon Tox	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 - [394] Originally by: Spinnukur First off, I have total respect for D2 coming out so fast and saying how it went down...Second, we all know BOB is a bunch of BOD cheats who are just trying to take the pressure off of CCP and themselves. Its kind of deja vuish to what happened to the ASCN Titan don't you think? Thank you for the reminder that it has been a while since I last saw "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 - [395] Originally by: Turin Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war but... it was an exploit.... did you miss the screen shot? post # 52 I believe.
Mimio Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 - [396] Originally by: Falcon Tox And node crashes aren't meant to stem the course of battle either, yet you guys used them just fine in JV. At least admit your hypocrisy. By this logic, LV should be reimbursed. Yet you guys would cry enormously should that happen. Ha-ha, you hoped for node crash, because in direct encounter LV has no chance. Node had been crashed as you hoped( and you, mean people, did help to crash node dropping all drones and fighters and bubbles you could), but, surprise-surprise, it doesn't save you. Of course, whole LV has another ace in the sleeve, "node crashed, we cannot defend". Say thanks to the gods, that node has been crashed many times, preventing jumpin whole fleet, otherwise JV in 5 days would change owner. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra
Muzzh	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 - [397] Edited by: Muzzh on 16/02/2007 22:53:51 Originally by: Dinamita Tona Originally by: Stamm Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed? That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here. The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty. If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility... Take look at screenies some more and you might noticed that pilot was on with green box next to his name when smartie was fired dumbass that has no meaning at all because its inaccurate (u can be shown online while u are already logged out since 2-3mins).
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:57:00 - [398] Originally by: Falcon Tox lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not? No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you. You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much...
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:58:00 - [399] Originally by: Turin Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war but... it was an exploit.... No it wasn't... god! Smartbomb Outside shied... It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 - [400] Actually the point was sound.

sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 - [401] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg its amazing that people are still posting about passive targeters when this image clearly shows several things. 1) wotankn is still online 2) his outside of the bubble in the titan 3) it was a smartbomb used also in respect to D2 im sorry for your loss
Muzzh	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 - [402] Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: Turin Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war but... it was an exploit.... No it wasn't... god! Smartbomb Outside shied... It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot. guy... using a so called "poor game mechanic" is what u would decribe as exploit.
JP Southwell Gallente Egg Enterprise	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 - [403] Edited by: JP Southwell on 16/02/2007 22:59:28 Unlucky D2, Congrats Band Of Brothers. The rest of the bandwagon humpers, give it a rest, your eyes will start bleeding. Now may I point out, providing it has not been done yet: Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. .... This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. .... Also, quoting Tyrrax for the link only: Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey idiots, pay attention Post 52 in this thread clears everything up. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg Ummm, where is the passive targeting module fitted on that ship? Just a curious observation and question really. Enough of the whining and dining. Play the game. Kindest regards, JP edit- My spelling is bad at times
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 - [404] Originally by: Muzzh that has no meaning at all because its inaccurate (u can be shown online while u are already logged out since 2-3mins). Post with you main, since you made a valid point but it might be removed. But just for the record, the green icon can be off at times, though in most cases its highly accurate. Even so, had the pilot really been offline, and the green icon wrong, aggro wouldn't have occured as per the standered aggro mechanics. (you can't aggro an offline pilot)
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 - [405] So, wow. This is probably a very new, creative wrinkle in game mechanics. I'm hardly going to fault anyone for using it, but surely by now it should be clear to CCP that this is hardly how the envisaged Titans working.
Commoner Caldari Emergent Chaos The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 - [406] Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps) But in gangs and on alliance basis why would this even start the aggrotimer?...
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 - [407] Originally by: Stitcher Perhaps it would clear things up if Wotankn were to pull out the log from pre-aggro, assuming he allows his logs to be saved? That'd help this debate out. After all, a "micro smartbomb belonging to X" or a "150mm railgun II belonging to X" from the point where the aggro timer started should clear things up nicely. Nevertheless, even if the smartbomb were used, it's still the same thing - covertly aggro a titan just before it logs off, then gank it while it's impossible for it to defend itself. Where's the challenge in that? So you went form calling hax and sploits to now saying "theres no challenge in that".... Would it kill you to admit BoB got a valid kill, and that there may not be all the much going on with the whole "BoD Witchhunt"? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 - [408] Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 - [409] Originally by: Muzzh Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: Turin Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war but... it was an exploit.... No it wasn't... god! Smartbomb Outside shied... It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot. guy... using a so called "poor game mechanic" is what u would decribe as exploit. Poor as in poorly thought out. Not poor as in broken. Exploits are game mechanics or side effects of bugs that the developers never intended in the game. Currently the aggro system works the way the devs coded it and wanted it to work. Events like this show how it is a short sighted feature in the game, but it is neither unintended to my knowledge or a bug or broken piece of code. Not an exploit. Low. And I am sure BoB members are going to be losing sleep that people think so. But not an explot. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 - [410] Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure. i really don't think most people even read all the posts before posting.. otherwise they'd realize what an arsehat they were. sadly, i think that some would still continue regardless. no shame i tell you, no shame.. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.

Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:04:00 - [411] Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. If they don't do damge and don't flag the timer how is it an explot? -----
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:04:00 - [412] Originally by: Areena Shay Edited by: Areena Shay on 16/02/2007 22:56:14 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Falcon Tox lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not? No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you. You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much... Actually the point was sound. You just didn't understand it. That is probably why you don't post here much. I never called brining fleets to cause lag a valid tactic for one. Secondly, my point was that while both, this situation, and fleet lagging are questionable tactics, you can not mix them together. It should be an absolutely different discussion. But I can see where this is going. Off I go to run through the woods in my star trek uniform
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 - [413] Originally by: Stitcher Perhaps it would clear things up if Wotankn were to pull out the log from pre-aggro, assuming he allows his logs to be saved? That'd help this debate out. After all, a "micro smartbomb belonging to X" or a "150mm railgun II belonging to X" from the point where the aggro timer started should clear things up nicely. Nevertheless, even if the smartbomb were used, it's still the same thing - covertly aggro a titan just before it logs off, then gank it while it's impossible for it to defend itself. Where's the challenge in that? I'm not disagreeing with there being no challenge. I think it was pretty lame actually. But the kill was secured with legitimate in game tactics. I personally do not think the aggro timer was meant to be used in this fashion, but that's CCP's fault for not fixing it or thinking about it this way, not BOB's. BoB is just using it to their advantage. It's in that nice shady zone of where CCP can't do anything about it just yet, and BoB took full advantage.
Atreus Minmatarius Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 - [414] hopefully all that will only strenghten the ally resolve
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 - [415] Originally by: Commoner Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps) But in gangs and on alliance basis why would this even start the aggrotimer?... Remember back in the day, people used to invite to gang and pop you in empire because gangs were friendly fire? Im pretty sure it dates back to that, and to be honest thats how it should be, as long as the pilots are in different corps. Same corp should be no aggro timer, imho, diff corps should be. Corps join alliances to stab them in the back, thats part of eve, and you cant just ctrl-q if you let your guard down, ya know? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Spinnukur Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 - [416] Originally by: Falcon Tox Originally by: Spinnukur First off, I have total respect for D2 coming out so fast and saying how it went down...Second, we all know BOB is a bunch of BOD cheats who are just trying to take the pressure off of CCP and themselves. Its kind of deja vuish to what happened to the ASCN Titan don't you think? Thank you for the reminder that it has been a while since I last saw "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". Funny...and why exactly are you hiding behind you're alt, why don't you just come out and show you're true colors that you are either BOB, or one of their slaves. If you're going to talk do it honestly and don't hide because you're scared.
Amaron Ghant Caldari Warped Mining Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 - [417] Amazing, simply amazing. My respect for the whole EVE community just took a tumble. Was bob¦s taking out the titan a smart, well planned yet low down plan? Certainly was. There¦s no Geneva convention here boys and girls. Suck it up. POS¦s offlined by spies, corporate theft and all the other low down tactics used by alliances. I expect them. It¦s not nice but then hey, EVE isn¦t about being nice. Don¦t kid yourselves that it is. It¦s a cast iron ***** of a game where your best friend will stab you in the back for a quick profit. All the whining , chest beating, hair ripping and pious "well we wouldn¦t do that" comments are frankly nauseating considering the history of many of the alliances making them.
Tobruk Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 - [418] Its Hard for me to believe that all the BOB pilots new this was the pan. A lot of my in game friends are in BOB and they are upstanding guys. I just can't believe they would do something this... but i guess it just shows how much you think you know people and really how little you do. ----------------------------------------------
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 - [419] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Areena Shay Edited by: Areena Shay on 16/02/2007 22:56:14 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Falcon Tox lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not? No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you. You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much... Actually the point was sound. You just didn't understand it. That is probably why you don't post here much. I never called brining fleets to cause lag a valid tactic for one. Secondly, my point was that while both, this situation, and fleet lagging are questionable tactics, you can not mix them together. It should be an absolutely different discussion. But I can see where this is going. Off I go to run through the woods in my star trek uniform Thanks for the mental imagery. Now, I will go brush my blond bangs from my eyes and proceed to poke them out with the nearest sharp instrument!
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 - [420] Originally by: JP Southwell Edited by: JP Southwell on 16/02/2007 22:59:28 Unlucky D2, Congrats Band Of Brothers. The rest of the bandwagon humpers, give it a rest, your eyes will start bleeding. Now may I point out, providing it has not been done yet: Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. .... This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. .... Also, quoting Tyrrax for the link only: Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey idiots, pay attention Post 52 in this thread clears everything up. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg Ummm, where is the passive targeting module fitted on that ship? Just a curious observation and question really. Enough of the whining and dining. Play the game. Kindest regards, JP edit- My spelling is bad at times Read the thread and then post, its come clear now, that it was a smartie. some ppl have to go to bed sometimes and things like a titan loss may heaten up some ppl, which is understandable i think. --------------------------------

Kiwimagic Caldari Star Ocean Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:07:00 - [421] BoD you guys never fail to bring this game down another lvl, funny how the devs use all the exploits. D2 keep up the fight fellers its only a titan it can be rebuilt. but BoD is going down CCP WTF you got the whole Jove region to play in ****off and leave us paying customers to play in our area you go play in yurs.
Athelas Loraiel Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:07:00 - [422] Why does aggro mark a person being shot? Shouldn't it work only on aggressor, the one that shoots, not the target? (Unless target retaliates, of course?) -------------- On the lookout for /restricted word that means ppl who work on the game/ in BOD disguise. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Oiri Yusko
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:07:00 - [423] It's clear exploit. Aggro timer was never intended to work against people who try to legitimely log off. Aggro timer should be visible to player. CCP screwed up here. Using game mechanic against it's intended role is considered exploit. I hope D2 will petition it. Good luck D2.
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:07:00 - [424] Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB! This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING! LMAO today D2 lost 14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier and killed 6 BS Way to go D2, you show them who is boss We also lost zero respect, can you say the same for your master. We are rich...isk is not a problem, but respect seems to be a problem for you Tic toc THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? WHO THE HELL ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO POORLY FLAME? Black Lance Brother
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:08:00 - [425] Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding: - A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB. - They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS. - The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging. He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure. 1) True 2) True 3) BS. He was cloaked, up until 2.5km (that's where the proximity thing uncloaks you, isn't it). He only had to close in 500m to get into smartbomb range. Also, since the titan pilot most likely HAD DAMAGE MESSAGES OFF, he didn't notice the damage. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:08:00 - [426] Originally by: Commoner Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps) I think that is a very good question and it should be removed as first step from CCP to actually making it able to allow atleast a tiny lil bit of spy defense in this game. --------------------------------
BorisThe Blade Amarr Dicken's Cider	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 - [427] EXPLOIT?? There was a log he received damage aswell as notification to him through the screen. This whole plot could have been uncovered right there. Attentive titan pilot "wtf the guy just hit me with a smartbomb what gives??" Devious BoB Spy "er... er... er..." Attentive titan pilot "Activating DD" Devious BoB Spy"NNOOOOoooooooo.... Or he could have been inside the shields or cloaked in a SS, I feel bad for the guy but he is getting a free pass here.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 - [428] Definately a legit kill then, but probably the lamest kill I've ever seen. Condolences to D2 is about all I can say about this. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 - [429] Originally by: Athelas Loraiel Why does aggro mark a person being shot? Shouldn't it work only on aggressor, the one that shoots, not the target? (Unless target retaliates, of course?) Because of CTRL-Q at a gatecamp... Thats why its there, so people cant escape gate camps. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Riddari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 - [430] OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes. ¼+¼ a history The fall of ASCN

Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:11:00 - [431] Basically CCP need to sort out the lag, then 1) We would have to turn off dmg text 2) We wouldnt have to turn off effects and sound. Simple right? Black Lance Brother
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:11:00 - [432] Originally by: Riddari OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes. Very witty. Here's hoping you log off and try to compete with them in Eve-Offline!
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:11:00 - [433] Originally by: Ace Frehley Question raise, did he log inside pos and when he warped off came outside bubble before he went in warp? If that is the case, how the hell will it be safe to warp? Can we get an answer, if u have it, please?
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:11:00 - [434] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Commoner Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps) I think that is a very good question and it should be removed as first step from CCP to actually making it able to allow atleast a tiny lil bit of spy defense in this game. This brings up an interesting question though. What if you get a group of spies together and then start killing "friendly" stuff in systems and then logging off? Just food for thought.
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:11:00 - [435] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute. Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT! :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:12:00 - [436] I think anyone who keeps saying BoB use h4x after this should have their mains collectively war decced by all of Eve tbh, shame my account is expiring tomorrow
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:13:00 - [437] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Lorth Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute. Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT! :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. Spelering 4 teh winzors!
Crystal Starshine	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:13:00 - [438] Though it appears no obvious exploit/haxx was used other than crappy game mechanics which borders on an exploit in that I am sure this was unintended aggression timer rules; this is an extremely LAME kill. Good to see BOD cant really fight an active player. Lame kill (good planning) but if i was involved i would take no pride in it. Once again extremly lame.
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:13:00 - [439] Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:13:00 - [440] Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Riddari OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes. Very witty. Here's hoping you log off and try to compete with them in Eve-Offline! I'm with you on that one, please log off

Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:14:00 - [441] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. i don't even think they've hit the denial phase yet.. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Crystal Starbreeze Happy Hungry Hippos	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:14:00 - [442] ME up above dang wrong crystal
Nvali Inactive Hardeners	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:14:00 - [443] I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but presumably the titan didn't jump straight into the pos because of the known issue: "Forcefield passwords fail to allow entry to a ship jumping into them". From http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp (been up there for a while now, it's definitely not new today or anything). So, even if you're trying to stay safe, forget it, you can't stay safe. Very disappointing, CCP please fix stuff? Still, all parties knew about this game feature, and bob figured out how to use it to their advantage. Evil, but so's plenty of other stuff about the game. Now I just want bugs to get fixed... and a visible aggro timer in 0.0... ---
JP Southwell Gallente Egg Enterprise	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:14:00 - [444] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: JP Southwell Edited by: JP Southwell on 16/02/2007 22:59:28 Unlucky D2, Congrats Band Of Brothers. The rest of the bandwagon humpers, give it a rest, your eyes will start bleeding. Now may I point out, providing it has not been done yet: Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. .... This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. .... Also, quoting Tyrrax for the link only: Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey idiots, pay attention Post 52 in this thread clears everything up. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg Ummm, where is the passive targeting module fitted on that ship? Just a curious observation and question really. Enough of the whining and dining. Play the game. Kindest regards, JP edit- My spelling is bad at times Read the thread and then post, its come clear now, that it was a smartie. some ppl have to go to bed sometimes and things like a titan loss may heaten up some ppl, which is understandable i think. Completely understandable about the heated moment statement made there Cmd Woodlouse. However, the OP statement is incorrect, as can be seen from the spies screenshot. There is no passive targetting module involved in this loss. I was merely pointing that out and wanting to have some form of clarification. Kindest regards as I myself am now going to bed.
Acle Mame The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:15:00 - [445] Does anyone in this thread even know what "legit" means ? Going by these events it seems everything is "legit" that can be done. You people all agree that passive targetters shouldnt be able to lock people inside pos shields, because its not meant to be. My question is: Is the aggro timer meant to be a method to kill titans ?
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:15:00 - [446] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it Sorry did I miss your statements about how lame it is to kill a titan at a station when the defending force is incapable of logging on? Surely as the chief determiner of lameness, you would surely have made such a determination by now? No? Come on big boy, show me you actually have a backbone!
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:15:00 - [447] Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes. No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage. Its like BoB is, simple as that. Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys? Not for executional matters. Only information. Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. You and your allies crossed that line long ago, and in a big way. You aren't better than BoB morally; you're hypocrites. You're just not as good at Eve. Write down here with your main what you mean and i will shut up. But i doubt you are able to. --------------------------------
Dinamita Tona Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:16:00 - [448] Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. retards never stop to amaze me get a clue and take look at screen shots tard
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:16:00 - [449] Friendly fire should not give you aggro. This is a bug and needs to be fixed.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:16:00 - [450] Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We will be fighting you in the battlefield, something you dont seem to understand oh and btw...I have never abused veldspar. I just kill numpties like you and yes...who are you I can see you are a forum troll but really...what are you

Voyageur Caldari Nomina Sacra Sapientia CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:18:00 - [451] Well, CCP actually returned the Erebus to D2. Official dec of d2 comes a bit later on. Check your info. -------------------------------------------- Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
Sigmorhair Gallente Eisenmetal	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:18:00 - [452] Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it Sorry did I miss your statements about how lame it is to kill a titan at a station when the defending force is incapable of logging on? Surely as the chief determiner of lameness, you would surely have made such a determination by now? No? Come on big boy, show me you actually have a backbone! What are you claiming Goons somehow were the only ones who could log in? That is a pretty stupid thing to say. As to this D2 Titan kill. Go go band of Cheaters, I have come to expect this of you. Nice exploitation of obviously broken game mechanics. In most games using what is obviously broken game mechanics - in most games that would warrant a Ban. To bad this is CCP and their pet alliance.
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:19:00 - [453] Brilliantly done. Everyone uses spy's, everyone uses alts, and everyone but who you are claiming to be the bad guys logs off at the first sign of losing. Well done to BoB. You know, this reminds me an awful lot of the spin against PA a long time ago. I guess everyone gets what they deserve in the end. Not one group in this fight has clean hands. IRON betrayed friends prior to this, on multiple occasions, D2's hands have never been clean. AAA contains many a complex exploiter, as does RA. And the southern coalition uses spies to find out whats going on. Get over it, war is not clean, nor is it civil. You fight to win by whatever means necessary, and all of these groups will do it, legal or not. Just don't get caught. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:19:00 - [454] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:19:00 - [455] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it I find it funny how your whole alliance, all of your allies. Your whole 'coalition' was collectively chanting how the kill wasn't legit. Information you apparently got out of where the sun don't shine. Now it's switched from 'not legit' to 'lame'. What next? Need i remind you that almost no one in Eve plays fairly, and that pretty much every major alliance has done, is doing, and will do lame things, as well as use lame tactics. So please, for the love of god hold yourself to the high standards you impose upon others. BoB aren't gods, and will use whatever legit method they can of winning. They have all the right to do it, especially at a time like this when there's a massive bandwagon against them. Until you can, hand on heart, swear that no one in your alliance or coalition uses lame tactics or tactics which border on exploits, you have no right to critisize others for principles you fail to uphold yourself.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:22:00 - [456] Originally by: Seryius That's a pitty.. a Titan must be destroyed in combat, not with lame tactics. However, this fact shows one more time to eve community who is an honorable fairplayer and who not. C'mon Dusk and Down!! Crush them!!!! While i agree that ships like this should go bum in space as in huge battles......The tactic deployed was brilliant.. EVE is not fair..if you dont learn that lesson you die.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:22:00 - [457] Originally by: Seryius That's a pitty.. a Titan must be destroyed in combat, not with lame tactics. However, this fact shows one more time to eve community who is an honorable fairplayer and who not. C'mon Dusk and Down!! Crush them!!!! While i agree that ships like this should go bum in space as in huge battles......The tactic deployed was brilliant.. EVE is not fair..if you dont learn that lesson you die.
RIAH HOPE	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [458] HI, few words from me too i read it all... some people accusing bob using imoral tactics.. for me theres no moral ina game.. i know from now noone will just log his titan mothership.. without waiting 30 minutes in deep ss.. we learn from that or we be just victims to bob not challengers. ( no iam not bob or sympatisant) they killed ur ship u wasnt carefull enough simply as that. i mean there are spies overall (beeing paranoid now!!!) what we should ask ourself is will we just accept the fact they fight this way or will we adapt and beat them with their own weapons? if devs and or gms helping bob in any kind of way i say lets all organize and go to bob land. and wipem out with or without dev help.... if we get cheated this way we better all put our strenght together and go to bob and fightem wth we can kick their asses once and for all if they use exploits they atleast expect us to do same or what... dont tell me moral in a game.. dont tell me a bs killed ur shuttle and it was unfair lets simply do somethign against it! cause i hate this kind of post's in a game.. they used an spy they use brains it looks for me ofc they do.. my question is why didnt the titan pilot whose titan got destroyed simply waited somewhere at a ss wth.. he flys a titan hes long enough in the game to know bob... i could write much more but since i like simple things i just say: expect the worst and hope for best! i dont want to say bob are bad players or use any kind of cheap tactic a tactic that works is a good tactic.. u got to adapt or u cant and u will not play eve anymore as ur simply overwhelmed by them... guess thats the point where the devs will interfer casue noone likes a super power to become tompowerfull and can do whatever they like t whoever thy dont like.. dont tell me devs helped bob to kill a titan or such.. if they did they wont anymore cause they see people get mad at it and if it becomes to much of a discussion more people will quit playing eve as its sensless fighting against dev's or gm's WTH if B0B want it this way we should all givem what they asking for. i say pay back and stop flaming!
Forsaken Priest E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [459] Among all these post there is one clear oversight on everyones part. The problem is not BOB using lame tactics, that is their choice if they want to lose the respect of the eve community. I may also point out that this is most likely the choice of the leaders / FCs and not the individual members. Stereotyping is just as lame. The probem is not the use of spies or "bordeline" "exploits" of game mechanics, that in the end anyone has the choice to use. It quite simply the fact that we get no indication in 0.0 of an active agression timer. There is one available, and yet, for some reason ccp have decided that you dont get to see it. If we were given a visual referance of the timer, then we would be given the opportunity to weigh up whether the RL demands outweigh the potential loss of a ship due to an active agression timer. Either way as it stands its a guessing game, and its quite clearly been shown that it can be taken advantage of.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [460] Its acrying shame, that. I'd desperately hoped the second titan to pop would be an actual battle death. But it does really look like the only way to kill a titan is with meta-gaming: ASCN lost their titan to a pilot*** up, and now D2 have lost theirs to an infamous dirty tactic, to which there is no defense. Maybe number three might die an impressive death Anyhow, props to the killers, and condolences to D2. -------- Originally by:** Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.

Shuriken Ertai Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [461] Originally by: Voyageur Well, CCP actually returned the Erebus to D2. Official dec of d2 comes a bit later on. Check your info. Proof please?
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [462] Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it I find it funny how your whole alliance, all of your allies. Your whole 'coalition' was collectively chanting how the kill wasn't legit. Information you apparently got out of where the sun don't shine. Now it's switched from 'not legit' to 'lame'. What next? Need i remind you that almost no one in Eve plays fairly, and that pretty much every major alliance has done, is doing, and will do lame things, as well as use lame tactics. So please, for the love of god hold yourself to the high standards you impose upon others. BoB aren't gods, and will use whatever legit method they can of winning. They have all the right to do it, especially at a time like this when there's a massive bandwagon against them. Until you can, hand on heart, swear that no one in your alliance or coalition uses lame tactics or tactics which border on exploits, you have no right to critisize others for principles you fail to uphold yourself. please show me were i have posted before that the kill wasnt legit? I didnt post at all about the kills before d2 made this thread so i knew my facts were straight
RIAH HOPE	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [463] HI, few words from me too i read it all... some people accusing bob using imoral tactics.. for me theres no moral ina game.. i know from now noone will just log his titan mothership.. without waiting 30 minutes in deep ss.. we learn from that or we be just victims to bob not challengers. ( no iam not bob or sympatisant) they killed ur ship u wasnt carefull enough simply as that. i mean there are spies overall (beeing paranoid now!!!) what we should ask ourself is will we just accept the fact they fight this way or will we adapt and beat them with their own weapons? if devs and or gms helping bob in any kind of way i say lets all organize and go to bob land. and wipem out with or without dev help.... if we get cheated this way we better all put our strenght together and go to bob and fightem wth we can kick their asses once and for all if they use exploits they atleast expect us to do same or what... dont tell me moral in a game.. dont tell me a bs killed ur shuttle and it was unfair lets simply do somethign against it! cause i hate this kind of post's in a game.. they used an spy they use brains it looks for me ofc they do.. my question is why didnt the titan pilot whose titan got destroyed simply waited somewhere at a ss wth.. he flys a titan hes long enough in the game to know bob... i could write much more but since i like simple things i just say: expect the worst and hope for best! i dont want to say bob are bad players or use any kind of cheap tactic a tactic that works is a good tactic.. u got to adapt or u cant and u will not play eve anymore as ur simply overwhelmed by them... guess thats the point where the devs will interfer casue noone likes a super power to become tompowerfull and can do whatever they like t whoever thy dont like.. dont tell me devs helped bob to kill a titan or such.. if they did they wont anymore cause they see people get mad at it and if it becomes to much of a discussion more people will quit playing eve as its sensless fighting against dev's or gm's WTH if B0B want it this way we should all givem what they asking for. i say pay back and stop flaming!
Forsaken Priest E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [464] Among all these post there is one clear oversight on everyones part. The problem is not BOB using lame tactics, that is their choice if they want to lose the respect of the eve community. I may also point out that this is most likely the choice of the leaders / FCs and not the individual members. Stereotyping is just as lame. The probem is not the use of spies or "bordeline" "exploits" of game mechanics, that in the end anyone has the choice to use. It quite simply the fact that we get no indication in 0.0 of an active agression timer. There is one available, and yet, for some reason ccp have decided that you dont get to see it. If we were given a visual referance of the timer, then we would be given the opportunity to weigh up whether the RL demands outweigh the potential loss of a ship due to an active agression timer. Either way as it stands its a guessing game, and its quite clearly been shown that it can be taken advantage of.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [465] Its acrying shame, that. I'd desperately hoped the second titan to pop would be an actual battle death. But it does really look like the only way to kill a titan is with meta-gaming: ASCN lost their titan to a pilot*** up, and now D2 have lost theirs to an infamous dirty tactic, to which there is no defense. Maybe number three might die an impressive death Anyhow, props to the killers, and condolences to D2. -------- Originally by:** Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Shuriken Ertai Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [466] Originally by: Voyageur Well, CCP actually returned the Erebus to D2. Official dec of d2 comes a bit later on. Check your info. Proof please?
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:23:00 - [467] Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it I find it funny how your whole alliance, all of your allies. Your whole 'coalition' was collectively chanting how the kill wasn't legit. Information you apparently got out of where the sun don't shine. Now it's switched from 'not legit' to 'lame'. What next? Need i remind you that almost no one in Eve plays fairly, and that pretty much every major alliance has done, is doing, and will do lame things, as well as use lame tactics. So please, for the love of god hold yourself to the high standards you impose upon others. BoB aren't gods, and will use whatever legit method they can of winning. They have all the right to do it, especially at a time like this when there's a massive bandwagon against them. Until you can, hand on heart, swear that no one in your alliance or coalition uses lame tactics or tactics which border on exploits, you have no right to critisize others for principles you fail to uphold yourself. please show me were i have posted before that the kill wasnt legit? I didnt post at all about the kills before d2 made this thread so i knew my facts were straight
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [468] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. Months? People will refuse to understand into perpetuity because they don't want to... 2 words.. GRASSY + KNOLL http://www.evereserve.com
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [469] gratz to bob for a brilliantly executed plan. btw if the titan pilot took all the necessary precautions, he would have avoided this easily. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [470] About if it's legit or not - how you see that is mainly going to depend on the attitude you have towards interpreting rules in general. If you are an adherent of the school of thought that inteprets rules by 'the letter of the law' (as the UK/US legal system tends to do), you'll tend to find it legit. If you are an adherent of the school of thought that interprets rules by 'the spirit of the law' (as many continental European legal tend to do), you will probably find it not legit.

Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [471] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Lorth Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute. Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT! :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. What is a homosexual cow enjoying an apple martini? Ill take animal sounds for 600 alex.
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [472] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. Months? People will refuse to understand into perpetuity because they don't want to... 2 words.. GRASSY + KNOLL http://www.evereserve.com
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [473] gratz to bob for a brilliantly executed plan. btw if the titan pilot took all the necessary precautions, he would have avoided this easily. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [474] About if it's legit or not - how you see that is mainly going to depend on the attitude you have towards interpreting rules in general. If you are an adherent of the school of thought that inteprets rules by 'the letter of the law' (as the UK/US legal system tends to do), you'll tend to find it legit. If you are an adherent of the school of thought that interprets rules by 'the spirit of the law' (as many continental European legal tend to do), you will probably find it not legit.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [475] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Lorth Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute. Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT! :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. What is a homosexual cow enjoying an apple martini? Ill take animal sounds for 600 alex.
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 - [476] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Originally by: Eron Lygera Edited by: Eron Lygera on 16/02/2007 21:44:27 Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! Do you believe that yourself? First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others? What could they possible gain from this? Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game". From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you? I believe the admission on what a DEV apologised for! and CCP have mentioned time and time again that they approve of the alliance and how it is run, and this alliance is BoB...with the above admission of this DEV and with the lack of action from CCP errr I think alot of players seem undone too. So walk away from the comp ya self and drink some coffee and wake TFU If you are so angry with CCP, why are you still a paying costumer? Beating BOB would never change your harsh feelings towards a company in iceland anyway. What do I need to wake up from? If you think someone is out to get you, then log off and know that nobody can ever get to you. EVER. Relax, enjoy the game. Because its still a game - no matter what T20 did. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 - [477] Originally by: Gnulpie Friendly fire should not give you aggro. This is a bug and needs to be fixed. as much as i love seeing d2 lose a titan.. /signed don't think it's a bug but it is highly inconvenient when you're just messing with your own outside a station. making it non-agro would surely eliminate the ability for people to use spies to do this sort of thing again, if CCP sees this ultimately as an unfair tactic. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 - [478] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Originally by: Eron Lygera Edited by: Eron Lygera on 16/02/2007 21:44:27 Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! Do you believe that yourself? First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others? What could they possible gain from this? Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game". From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you? I believe the admission on what a DEV apologised for! and CCP have mentioned time and time again that they approve of the alliance and how it is run, and this alliance is BoB...with the above admission of this DEV and with the lack of action from CCP errr I think alot of players seem undone too. So walk away from the comp ya self and drink some coffee and wake TFU If you are so angry with CCP, why are you still a paying costumer? Beating BOB would never change your harsh feelings towards a company in iceland anyway. What do I need to wake up from? If you think someone is out to get you, then log off and know that nobody can ever get to you. EVER. Relax, enjoy the game. Because its still a game - no matter what T20 did. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 - [479] Originally by: Gnulpie Friendly fire should not give you aggro. This is a bug and needs to be fixed. as much as i love seeing d2 lose a titan.. /signed don't think it's a bug but it is highly inconvenient when you're just messing with your own outside a station. making it non-agro would surely eliminate the ability for people to use spies to do this sort of thing again, if CCP sees this ultimately as an unfair tactic. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [480] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 23:22:50 Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. Ok..thanks sweet cheeks x

Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [481] Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. Can I have your babies?
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [482] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 23:30:23 Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 23:22:50 Originally by: Areena Shay We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. Ok..thanks sweet cheeks x Edit: the quote thing messed up...I say H4xsp7o!t
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [483] Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. Can I have your babies?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:27:00 - [484] A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob ****storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF).
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:27:00 - [485] A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob ****storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF).
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 - [486] Less posting, more pew pewing. Thanks.
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 - [487] Less posting, more pew pewing. Thanks.
Hatsim Black Lance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [488] There is a man! a man known to most as "THE MAN" and this man is not only good Hes awesome! :D This could have been stopped befor it happend if ppl used their asses and left the eve-online/forum site for 1min and looked close to "THE MAN" heres some info about it -_- Ö http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=10 Pwned by ISP
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [489] Originally by: Caledric Couple things not adding up for me that I'd like clarified... A) How did the Cov Ops follow the titan jumping? B) Why would the titan jump INTO a Hostile system to log? He did not have to follow. He could have been in the system to start with. There's probably more than one spy that BoB have within D2 forces, so it is not like it was just one guy in cov ops ship running around trying to find that titan. The system was in fact said to be "safer" not hostile. BoB fleet probably followed into the system - it wasn't there right from the start.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:31:00 - [490] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: ArmyOfMe Might be a legit kill but damn its a lame kill however your looking at it I find it funny how your whole alliance, all of your allies. Your whole 'coalition' was collectively chanting how the kill wasn't legit. Information you apparently got out of where the sun don't shine. Now it's switched from 'not legit' to 'lame'. What next? Need i remind you that almost no one in Eve plays fairly, and that pretty much every major alliance has done, is doing, and will do lame things, as well as use lame tactics. So please, for the love of god hold yourself to the high standards you impose upon others. BoB aren't gods, and will use whatever legit method they can of winning. They have all the right to do it, especially at a time like this when there's a massive bandwagon against them. Until you can, hand on heart, swear that no one in your alliance or coalition uses lame tactics or tactics which border on exploits, you have no right to critisize others for principles you fail to uphold yourself. please show me were i have posted before that the kill wasnt legit? I didnt post at all about the kills before d2 made this thread so i knew my facts were straight When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way.

Fitz Regal Invictus Unbowed	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [491] TBH, does it matter? Its becoming more and more apparent that the only way to win at this game is to pull every bit of low metagaming, sploit, borderline tactics imaginable because all that matter is the WIN right? Forget playing for fun, or a challenge or anything, all that matter is that you win.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [492] Originally by: Edde Bebbi A coalition headed by goonswarm, D2, AAA and RA accusing BoB of fighting 'dirty' and using 'metagaming' is ridiculous. All of those 4 entities are far more guilty than BoB ever could be. Goonswarm: Plan a Node crash to kill titan in production (dont even begin to claim you could have got past the 450 person 40 cap ship bubble camp any other way) RA/AAA : 30+ Accounts banned for 6 months of complex exploiting. RA have had other bans for Smartbomb-spawn chaining back when that was possible, and bans for using carrier overload exploits. D2 : Using IPS from the official german eve site to find spies! Jesus... Pretty much every alliance in game (maybe exception MC) fights dirty and uses some metagaming to achieve their ends. This whole anti-bob **storm is just a cleverly thought up Propeganda campaign by one or two individuals using ignorance and repetition of lies to achieve there ends. There are still people claiming this titan was killed with a passive targetter exploit THAT DOESNT EXIST (remember to set a POS pw next time VOTF). qft ----- Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Mirida Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [493] grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. ___________________ EVE Development Network <Lead Developer>
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:33:00 - [494] Originally by: Cosmic Flame - He logs and doesn't even bother to see the damage message he surely got when he was hit by his "friendly" pilot. A lot of players desactivate the damage messages and logs to reduce the lag... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [495] Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. --------------------------------
Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [496] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. I am sure you will hold yourself to very high standards.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:35:00 - [497] Dirty cheating scum.
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [498] Originally by: Exelsior When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [499] Originally by: Fitz Regal TBH, does it matter? Its becoming more and more apparent that the only way to win at this game is to pull every bit of low metagaming, sploit, borderline tactics imaginable because all that matter is the WIN right? Forget playing for fun, or a challenge or anything, all that matter is that you win. So true, unfortunately. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
sb404 Caldari Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:36:00 - [500] Edited by: sb404 on 16/02/2007 23:34:08 Originally by: sci0gon Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg its amazing that people are still posting about passive targeters when this image clearly shows several things. 1) wotankn is still online 2) his outside of the bubble in the titan 3) it was a smartbomb used also in respect to D2 im sorry for your loss probably because official statement from D2 specifies passive targeter. Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. edit: added quote ------------------------------------------------- I never wrote this -Eris

Areena Shay	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 - [501] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Areena Shay Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Helina Malinos THE DAY I NEED PEOPLE IN A GAME TO RESPECT ME IS THE TIME I GET THE BLADES OUT. NOW GO MINE FOR ANOTHER. AND I HAVE PLENTY OF RESPECT AS I CAN OPEN MY EYES, SHAME YOU CAN'T OGH, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU QUIT? I won't be quiting thankyou slave. We are all slaves to CCP. From where I sit, you are just another slave slinging dirt at everyone else proclaiming your hands are clean. Honey, you have an awful lot to learn. I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. Thanks! You too.
Wibiq Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 - [502] Ya know, I'll go on record right now as saying I can't stand BoB. But I gotta say.....absolutely brilliant. This is the ultimate scam. People say that CCP should leave the actual market scams etc because that's what this game is all about. Well, that tactic is one of the most beautiful double crosses I've ever heard of. Despicable, dishonorable and downright piratic. Hat's off.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [503] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. but my hands are clean given the opportunity, I would not do what was done today. That is the difference Sleep well
iulixxi Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [504] "in war and in love there are no rules" ladies ! I believe that BoB tactics were verry clever , who knows , maybe the next titan D2 is building has an BoB pilot LOL ! Take care ...
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [505] Originally by: Riddari OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes. many a true word spoken in jest
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [506] Didn't Sir Molle said something like that, after Cyvok lost his Titan? "We hope the next one goes down, guns blazing". The irony is pretty strong there... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [507] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Exelsior When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them That's all nice, except for BoB, unlike what they make you believe, playing slug fest PvP battles between battleships isn't fun anymore. Molle's idea of a "challenge" doesn't necessarily involve head to head slug fests. I think he, and most people, will find it both more interesting, and more of a challenge to carry out infiltration missions, sabotage, espionage, etc. And while there are no game rules broken, then let them do whatever they want. This is a sandbox game. Concluding, your high "expectations" hold true only when what you expect corresponds to what Molle meant by a challenge. When they don't, and in this case they clearly don't, then the logic doesn't work, hence no reason for the high expectations
VBboy The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [508] Respect for the way it was announced. Well this is an interesting War in 0.0 on all fronts! VB Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [509] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. I'm really sorry I know that loosing a titan under these circumstances SUCKS, but if the tables were turned you'd be justifying the tactics just as vehemently as you are attempting to diminish the tactics used against you. To be clear, it does take a large fleet, a fleet of which bob could easily field (as could you, as could a lot of alliances) to destroy a titan even in the midst of your drednaught fleet. The issue is, he could always warp out, doomsday, etc. They are HARD to kill, but lets not say that Bob choose this way because they didn't have the fleet, it looks more like a perfect way to execute the objective with minimal loss. In a full out 50 + 50 drednaught engagement, any titan pilot would warp the hell out if he could. This is just a clever way of warpscrambling an un-scramable target.
RIAH HOPE	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:42:00 - [510] why dont we go all together and kill bobitts over and over again to show em we disrespect this kind of gameplay! no , iam not bob or sympatisant! u tell me bob does a thing and theres nothing we can do about it or what? atleast we all know now u have to think complete or u cant compete!

Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:42:00 - [511] Edited by: Pesadel0 on 16/02/2007 23:39:41 Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. So why are all your comrades saying that AAA are lame ass exploiters? P.S: Gratz for the Kill BoB
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:43:00 - [512] Originally by: Exelsior Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Exelsior When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves. Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them That's all nice, except for BoB, unlike what they make you believe, playing slug fest PvP battles between battleships isn't fun anymore. Molle's idea of a "challenge" doesn't necessarily involve head to head slug fests. I think he, and most people, will find it both more interesting, and more of a challenge to carry out infiltration missions, sabotage, espionage, etc. And while there are no game rules broken, then let them do whatever they want. This is a sandbox game. Concluding, your high "expectations" hold true only when what you expect corresponds to what Molle meant by a challenge. When they don't, and in this case they clearly don't, then the logic doesn't work, hence no reason for the high expectations Indeed a good and valid point. so for now ill let this rest(possibly got something to do with the time of day)
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:45:00 - [513] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Indeed a good and valid point. so for now ill let this rest(possibly got something to do with the time of day) Yeh approaching 1 AM here and i'm tired, ok cool gd night
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:45:00 - [514] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 16/02/2007 23:41:54 totally smooth... You gotta admit it. Executed like clockwork. Pity the fool
RadarJack Amarr Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:46:00 - [515] BoD are a disgrace. CCP asked for help to improve the general image of the game and you drag it lower than ever. Lameness personified.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:46:00 - [516] That's how it went down? BoB just keeps pushing the classless envelope. Guns ablazing my ass. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Mrs Nemisis Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:49:00 - [517] Using ''pasive targetting'' to increase timer a bug? and if it, is a know bug? Or was is passed on from a Dev within BOB?
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:51:00 - [518] Originally by: Mrs Nemisis Using ''pasive targetting'' to increase timer a bug? and if it, is a know bug? Or was is passed on from a Dev within BOB? Get a clue. They didn't use a bug.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:51:00 - [519] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums. Sleep well. but my hands are clean given the opportunity, I would not do what was done today. That is the difference Sleep well Its not about what you would have done. Its about whats allowed in this game and what have already been done. Some are handicapped by their own principles. Some are not. And thats why some are stronger in the believes than others. But well, i have to work tommorrow, gn chaps all you friends and foes :) oh and btw: GRAN CANARIA FTW!!! --------------------------------
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:52:00 - [520] Originally by: Pesadel0 Edited by: Pesadel0 on 16/02/2007 23:39:41 Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on deception." "Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -Sun Tzu, Art Of War All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances. So why are all your comrades saying that AAA are lame ass exploiters? First, I am not the father of my comrades. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Second, nor I or MC (I speak in the capacity of a director) condone the use of metagame tactics or exploiting unintended game mechanics or bugs. Consider the statement you quoted to be strictly RP in this respect, although it certainly also applies to "RL". ---

Ohmite Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:56:00 - [521] Edited by: Ohmite on 16/02/2007 23:53:26 As I said in another post just because one alliance use underhand tactics doesnt mean other alliances have to follow, he did it first is no excuse or defence if it is wrong or just lame Why cant people be bigger than this and win by playing the game in the spirit it was designed rather than finding every loophole and exploiting it to win. Its CCPs fault for not closing these loopholes doesnt mean alliances have to use them, fight with honour not exploits or game mechanics - ALL ALLIANCES NOT JUST BOB
Arithon Draedus NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [522] This truly sucks. BL D2...........Just remember that you are better that all that ****. You will bounce back...you will prevail!
iulixxi Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [523] I could bet my Lamborghini () that if u EVER kill a BoB titan ure kill will be 100% fair-play , 100% legite , no spyes , no nothing. Just pure inteligence and fair-play , no luck , just becouse u are better and they are weak ... lol , do u people read what u are writing ? I understand that u all want BoB ded becouse (even some of ure camarads agree) they are good at this game. They know how to play it ! In the end WTF do u want ? U want them to loose tha war , right ? You want them to just ... die ... well wake up guys ! This treads and this post wont stop as long BoB exists , so it becomes a realy enoying reading stuff like "BoB cheats , BoB steals , BoB rapes , BoB is bad , BoB is evil" oh come on , grow up ...
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [524] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion Originally by: Lorth Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer. exploit spotted. Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute. Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT! :D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened. What is a homosexual cow enjoying an apple martini? Ill take animal sounds for 600 alex. dings in A leather glove?
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:01:00 - [525] oh my god, the continual whines/haxploits claiming are awesome. [EVE TASK BAR?]
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:01:00 - [526] Sucks to lose it this way and props to BoB for doing it... mixed feelings heh If he had turned effects/messages off then tough luck. If he was in the escape menu (which I assume can't be confirmed in any way) he should get it back. Although I get the feeling that D2 will get their Titan back to appease the crowds... which in turn will make the crowds more sure of themselves that BoB are cheats etc... vicious circle.
Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:02:00 - [527] The coalition didn't think much of using spies to find LV's Titan building shipyard. sounds like a clever plan... a lot of things must have been executed to details and BoB pulled it through, so grats I guess Sig removed. Please keep it in English. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) violet monster came for my sig sob
Heintron Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:03:00 - [528] Well.. Now I know how to kill a titan. Nanodreads obviously isn't the way. Strange how I learn something new about eve everyday. But a tactic that relies on the victim logging off without knowing about aggrotimer is almost gamebreaking imo.
Tobias Raddick Caldari Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:03:00 - [529] Hang about then... game mechanics don't allow you to target items inside a POS bubble. Using a passive targeter to achieve such an aim allows you to avoid this restriction. Therefore, using a module in this fashion to bypass a game mechanic must be considered an exploit. Here's hoping your petition is a success.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:04:00 - [530] I am not saying the game itself is going downhill, but the tactics being used to win by all sides makes it so. xx billion isk ship killed by a 70k- module. Well executed plan, poor sportsmanship.

Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:04:00 - [531] Not that I condone BOD for their tactic, but ... Also - we're forgetting how friggin' rich D2 is. You guys ever heard of TRUST? If not I shall explain: It is half of the t2 and capital economy. There ... I think that explains everything. I feel for your loss, D2. And I hope that BOD eats it. Also - I love you Tyraxx. Will you have my children? _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:06:00 - [532] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. So all the backslapping and congratulating each other that went on amongst IAC/GOONS/D2/SOD and the rest when a Goon agent offlined a whole load of ISS POS and robbed the ISSN corp hangar was completely different to this, was it? Next time, for all those Goons and D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them.
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:06:00 - [533] Originally by: Mirida grats to bob ? for getting a spy into d2 - possibly for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe for killing a logged off titan - definitely not Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be. So all the backslapping and congratulating each other that went on amongst IAC/GOONS/D2/SOD and the rest when a Goon agent offlined a whole load of ISS POS and robbed the ISSN corp hangar was completely different to this, was it? Next time, for all those Goons and D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them.
Kamikaze Loco The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:07:00 - [534] So d2 did a big mistake and underestimate their enemy. Impressed by BoB! This is communist style intel! BoB might even be worth of a spot in AAA if they continue like this.
Kamikaze Loco The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:07:00 - [535] So d2 did a big mistake and underestimate their enemy. Impressed by BoB! This is communist style intel! BoB might even be worth of a spot in AAA if they continue like this.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:10:00 - [536] Originally by: Kamikaze Loco So d2 did a big mistake and underestimate their enemy. Impressed by BoB! This is communist style intel! BoB might even be worth of a spot in AAA if they continue like this. First nice post from your side. Respect
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:10:00 - [537] Originally by: Kamikaze Loco So d2 did a big mistake and underestimate their enemy. Impressed by BoB! This is communist style intel! BoB might even be worth of a spot in AAA if they continue like this. First nice post from your side. Respect
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:15:00 - [538] Originally by: Tobias Rad**** Hang about then... game mechanics don't allow you to target items inside a POS bubble. Using a passive targeter to achieve such an aim allows you to avoid this restriction. Therefore, using a module in this fashion to bypass a game mechanic must be considered an exploit. Here's hoping your petition is a success. Who said a passive targeter was used... check your facts before posting. There wasn't even a need to lock the titan. BoB's kill fleet was set ready to go, D2 was just careless enough with their titan and they learned a lesson that night. Case closed. Pity the fool
Jelek Coro Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:15:00 - [539] Originally by: Fitz Regal Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Which bit of using a passive targetter to fire through pos shields did u miss? Reading comprehension skills ftw..... Quote: It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Even though D2 admit what happens, people still make things up.....
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:15:00 - [540] Originally by: Tobias Rad**** Hang about then... game mechanics don't allow you to target items inside a POS bubble. Using a passive targeter to achieve such an aim allows you to avoid this restriction. Therefore, using a module in this fashion to bypass a game mechanic must be considered an exploit. Here's hoping your petition is a success. Who said a passive targeter was used... check your facts before posting. There wasn't even a need to lock the titan. BoB's kill fleet was set ready to go, D2 was just careless enough with their titan and they learned a lesson that night. Case closed. Pity the fool

Jelek Coro Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:15:00 - [541] Originally by: Fitz Regal Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Which bit of using a passive targetter to fire through pos shields did u miss? Reading comprehension skills ftw..... Quote: It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Even though D2 admit what happens, people still make things up.....
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 - [542] CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT
Esaam DeVries Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 - [543] Edited by: Esaam DeVries on 17/02/2007 00:14:03 Originally by: Franga we're forgetting how friggin' rich D2 is. Lies! All lies! We spend it all on ale and *****s -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 - [544] CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT
Esaam DeVries Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 - [545] Edited by: Esaam DeVries on 17/02/2007 00:14:03 Originally by: Franga we're forgetting how friggin' rich D2 is. Lies! All lies! We spend it all on ale and *****s -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com
Choran Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:17:00 - [546] Bummer, next time check your combat log before you log!
Choran Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:17:00 - [547] Bummer, next time check your combat log before you log!
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 - [548] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT We have seen extensive screenshots showing you are wrong. Nice FACT.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 - [549] Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. --------------------------------
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 - [550] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT We have seen extensive screenshots showing you are wrong. Nice FACT.

Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 - [551] Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. --------------------------------
Conwright Something Else	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [552] Aggro timer should show in 0.0 tbh...
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [553] So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Don't troll with your sig - Ductoris
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [554] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 00:15:43 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. German Official .de forums being used to IP-fish and snag BoB spies. Wow... That was hard woody!
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [555] BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT
Conwright Something Else	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [556] Aggro timer should show in 0.0 tbh...
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [557] So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [558] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 00:15:43 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. German Official .de forums being used to IP-fish and snag BoB spies. Wow... That was hard woody!
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:19:00 - [559] BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT
Newface002	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:20:00 - [560] Edited by: Newface002 on 17/02/2007 00:17:43 Damn forums

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:20:00 - [561] Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT....
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:21:00 - [562] Edited by: Supay on 17/02/2007 00:17:47 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. As are your NAPs when they suit you. Should rename yours as Not Actually-going-to-attack-you-yet Pact
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:21:00 - [563] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT lol? Proof please?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:21:00 - [564] Sorry to hear about your loss D2, and congrats for fielding in the first place. These things are built to be used after all. My continued good luck to you guys in your fighting.
Tannach The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:22:00 - [565] Originally by: Acle Mame While I certainly can applaude BoB for executing a smart and precise plan, I'm at the same time disgusted by their lack of morale and ethics not only towards the community, but also towards themselves. The challenge in pulling this off is nowhere to be found other than relentlessly abusing game mechanics for unintended purposes. How did you retake F4R in the end? Take a look in the mirror first. Originally by: "James Lyrus" If the army started trying to storm tescos, you can bet they'd be throwing bagels at them.
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:22:00 - [566] Edited by: Grimeh on 17/02/2007 00:19:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. using non D2 forums on an official eve fan site to gain ip address to match IPs on D2 forums and TS....
Gull De'Kuntos Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:23:00 - [567] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT lol? Proof please? "All allegations mentioned above are untrue, except one. Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. IÆm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better" http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:24:00 - [568] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... NCA killed a pilotless flying titan, using game mechanics? Really? When you absolutly NEED to know...
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:24:00 - [569] is too bussy looking at lasts years news in d2's trash bins in branch to care WE NEED MORE TRASH BINS! HOBO'S SLEEPING NEAR YOU! Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Masooma	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 - [570] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT lol? Proof please? "All allegations mentioned above are untrue, except one. Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. IÆm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better" http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats..

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 - [571] Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos BoD arent cheats? how come they admitted to it then? CHEATS - FACT lol? Proof please? "All allegations mentioned above are untrue, except one. Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. IÆm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better" http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact A) He was not in BoB when he cheated. He arrived in Bob WITH the BPs B) His char was removed from BoB when he was unveiled C) That very quote specifically says that no NON-DEV member of BoB was involved. So you are wrong.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:26:00 - [572] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT We have seen extensive screenshots showing you are wrong. Nice FACT. Who cares about logic when it comes to ranting mindlessly. Time and time again we saw proof that this was an extremely well thought out, and completely brilliant plan, and completely within the rules of the game mechanics. I mean : OMFG HAX! Tanking Survivability Calculator
sb404 Caldari Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 - [573] Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. ------------------------------------------------- I never wrote this -Eris
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 - [574] Thats some pretty devious planning ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 - [575] Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... NCA killed a pilotless flying titan, using game mechanics? Really? Yes. They enterred an impossibly well defended (450 people, 40 cap ships, 200 fighters, 15 large bubbles all on one gate) using t1 ships in huge quantities to crash the node then jumped in before those who had crashed could re log on. Anyone who knows anything about node crashes knows that those jumping in have the advantage by a HUGE amount.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 - [576] Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. The Dev blog states that there is no evidence that anyone knew.
Masooma	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 - [577] Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. I point you to this part: Quote: I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing.
Stesha Andreev	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 - [578] I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down?
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 - [579] Originally by: Kamikaze Loco So d2 did a big mistake and underestimate their enemy. Impressed by BoB! This is communist style intel! BoB might even be worth of a spot in AAA if they continue like this. do u realy thing we are stupid enough to underestimate an enemie that some of us know longer then 3 years
Nedolzna Ovcica Mindstar Brigade	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:29:00 - [580] what can i say, there was no exploit, yes it was a dirty thing to do using a spy w/ smartbomb to tag the erebus, but all is fair in war and love right? a very brilliant plant indeed and well executed as well. shows who the real masters of the game are. respekta to BOB. and sorry for your loss D2. i am sure u'll get another one into battle soon, and this won't be a big "downer" for u. Just keep fighting, that's what EvE is about :)

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [581] Originally by: Stesha Andreev I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down? Sphears aprently hold caps ships down they arnt realy ew per say more of a natural phenomen around them, its like when you log in a bubbel Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Shikome Alluin Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [582] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 17/02/2007 00:28:46 Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 17/02/2007 00:26:45 wow... Just an amazing plan BoB! I must say that. > It sucks that it was an exploitive one... /I was drunk, it was dark and it was delicius
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [583] Originally by: Franga Not that I condone BOD for their tactic, but ... Also - we're forgetting how friggin' rich D2 is. You guys ever heard of TRUST? If not I shall explain: It is half of the t2 and capital economy. There ... I think that explains everything. I feel for your loss, D2. And I hope that BOD eats it. Also - I love you Tyraxx. Will you have my children? rofl I thought TRUST was never alt corp of G and D2 :-) ----------------------------------
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [584] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 00:26:57 Originally by: Stesha Andreev I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down? Nothing is immune to dictor/Mobile warp disruptors. Not even titans and motherships. Even if they were; the pod isnt!
Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [585] Originally by: Stesha Andreev I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down? Bubbles do work on supercapitals. It was probably there to keep him from warping off if he logged back on.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [586] Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 00:28:20 Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT We have seen extensive screenshots showing you are wrong. Nice FACT. Who cares about logic when it comes to ranting mindlessly. Time and time again we saw proof that this was an extremely well thought out, and completely brilliant plan, and completely within the rules of the game mechanics. I mean : OMFG HAX! What i don't get is for an Uber PvP alliance, why not PvP? Why not drop one with force? For a titan to fall to gamemechanics is lame, Is it a cheat? That's debatable. Is it cheap? That's not.... For the mightiest ship in the game they sure go down without a fight.... When you absolutly NEED to know...
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:31:00 - [587] Originally by: Swift Wind Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos CHEATS - Thats not the opinion of my corp, that's FACT We have seen extensive screenshots showing you are wrong. Nice FACT. Who cares about logic when it comes to ranting mindlessly. Time and time again we saw proof that this was an extremely well thought out, and completely brilliant plan, and completely within the rules of the game mechanics. I mean : OMFG HAX! What i don't get is for an Uber PvP alliance, why not PvP? Why not drop one with force? For a titan to fall to gamemechanics is lame, Is it a cheat? That's debateable. Is it xheap, that's not.... For the mightiest ship in the game they sure go down without a fight.... And the LV one your allies killed in production using node crashes to get past the defending force (there was NO FIGHTING AT ALL)
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:32:00 - [588] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
sb404 Caldari Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:32:00 - [589] Originally by: Masooma Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. I point you to this part: Quote: I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. cleared by the same instigators that wanted to keep it under wraps. If you're not doing anything this weekend, watch Arlington Road it has a very nice theory on people "that are working alone" I guess we'll have to believe the coin has two sides. ------------------------------------------------- I never wrote this -Eris
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:33:00 - [590] Originally by: Stesha Andreev I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down? Dictor bubbles and Mobile Warp Disruptors hold Titans and Motherships. They are the only things that are able to scramble these ships which is why they fit officer smartbombs to neutralize the threat of bubbles. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:33:00 - [591] Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. I point you to this part: Quote: I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. cleared by the same instigators that wanted to keep it under wraps. If you're not doing anything this weekend, watch Arlington Road it has a very nice theory on people "that are working alone" I guess we'll have to believe the coin has two sides. "Its a crime. The police and government say its not a crime, the police watchdogs say they are right, the suspects say its not a crime, all the evidence points to it not being a crime, but I, personally, know they are all lying as a FACT."
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:34:00 - [592] Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 00:31:47 Edde, Umm, I am a loner Boss. Totally unaffiliated. Still lame, as stated, bringing a force and using MECHANICS are wholly diffrent, no? From the outside, your alliance looks quite underhanded. With everything that has gone on lately, did you expect diffrently? When you absolutly NEED to know...
RedCodeX The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:35:00 - [593] Edited by: RedCodeX on 17/02/2007 00:31:49 Originally by: Grimeh Edited by: Grimeh on 17/02/2007 00:19:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. using non D2 forums on an official eve fan site to gain ip address to match IPs on D2 forums and TS.... We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy?
Masooma	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:36:00 - [594] Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: sb404 Originally by: Masooma Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 cheats - fact I see 1 cheat not an alliance of cheats.. Guilty by association I guess. Knowing and not saying anything is just the same tbh. I point you to this part: Quote: I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing. cleared by the same instigators that wanted to keep it under wraps. If you're not doing anything this weekend, watch Arlington Road it has a very nice theory on people "that are working alone" I guess we'll have to believe the coin has two sides. Can I ask why do you play and take part in a game if you think it is corrupt and that everbody hired to investigate is also corrupt? I mean if i believed what you do i wouldn't play a game like that as there would be no point would there?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:36:00 - [595] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. While that is pretty underhanded, It's not the first or last time a spy has/will cause damage for a group, this damage was just, well, worth about 75 times more ISK than my char has ever had... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:37:00 - [596] Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:38:00 - [597] Originally by: RedCodeX Edited by: RedCodeX on 17/02/2007 00:31:49 Originally by: Grimeh Edited by: Grimeh on 17/02/2007 00:19:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. using non D2 forums on an official eve fan site to gain ip address to match IPs on D2 forums and TS.... We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Thats not what the internal logs posted by Kugutsumen said. They said it was ongoing and multiple people. Unless he forged them? Oh wait you crucified BoB on the same guys evidence...
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:39:00 - [598] Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:39:00 - [599] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? Damn, why don't RL criminals think of that plea in court
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:40:00 - [600] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Thats not what the internal logs posted by Kugutsumen said. They said it was ongoing and multiple people. Unless he forged them? Oh wait you crucified BoB on the same guys evidence... are you saying ALL his evidence IS true? When you absolutly NEED to know...

Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:41:00 - [601] Originally by: Edde Bebbi You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. So essentially you are saying.. you guys brought a force that so large it was physically impossible to counter except by bringing so many people that the servers become seriously unstable and are then complaining that your opponents actually managed to pull it off? What should they have done? I can hear it on their alliance chat already 'ok guys, the hostiles have 400 people camping, the system can only handle 500 really, so let's just jump in 100 at a time, it's gonna be great'.
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:42:00 - [602] Edited by: Iva Soreass on 17/02/2007 00:38:35 Owned \o/ must type before i click post* ----------------------------------------------- http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4317/creditcard22es4.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Stesha Andreev	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:43:00 - [603] Originally by: Imode Originally by: Stesha Andreev I have a question, in the Second screen we see a bubble but it doesn't look like a POS more like a dictor bubble. Look at the edges of the bubble. The question is why is there a dictor bubble dropped on a Titan when is immune to electronic warfare? (the sphere launcher is found under EW so I assume it to EW) Was it used to hold the Titan there or was the aggro timer used to keep the offline pilot locked down? Dictor bubbles and Mobile Warp Disruptors hold Titans and Motherships. They are the only things that are able to scramble these ships which is why they fit officer smartbombs to neutralize the threat of bubbles. Well doesn't this mean that the launcher module should be reclassifed? Its clearly stated that is the ship "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare". Also Recognize that Mobile Warp Disruptor is not under the EW tab.
Masooma Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:43:00 - [604] Originally by: RedCodeX Edited by: RedCodeX on 17/02/2007 00:31:49 Originally by: Grimeh Edited by: Grimeh on 17/02/2007 00:19:13 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. using non D2 forums on an official eve fan site to gain ip address to match IPs on D2 forums and TS.... We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? I would like to draw your attention to the bolds.. Quote: originally Posted by Clizz my research revealed that this incident happend (sadly) - ovaron asked one of the staff members who has access to the webserver and the database to give him the IPs of some persons. the staff member told ovaron to talk to me but he refused and he finally got the IPs from an account in this forum. they matched the IPs against multiple forums (e.g. the d2 alliance board) which led to this result. notice the plurals particular the persons one...
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:44:00 - [605] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. So what were we supposed to do to take the system fair and square? come on, you tell me, what should we have done? Last time I checked jumping a gate was not metagaming. I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:45:00 - [606] Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 17/02/2007 00:42:29 Sorry, I'm tired and unable to read all EDIT: 20 pages previous. Just want to ask a noobish question - why would a friendly gang member attacking you start an aggression timer? I don't quite understand why the game mechanic works this way? What's the 'intended' purpose? Terrible shame to see such a great ship and investment of a lot of people's time be lost in such a way, but credit to BoB I guess for their audacious plan which was obviously carried out flawlessly. Sad day for all Gallente everywhere. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Rangar Gallente The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:46:00 - [607] Edited by: Rangar on 17/02/2007 00:46:02 Well, this incident shows again, that the only way for BoB to achieve anything is cheating and/or exploiting major problems of the game mechanic. This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE. EVE is really going downhill at the moment and if CCP doesn't see this, they will soon have no game anymore. The real players will leave and the remaining cheaters will not be attractive enough to drag new players into the game.
Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:46:00 - [608] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Sorry, I'm tired and unable to read all 17 pages previous. Just want to ask a noobish question - why would a friendly gang member attacking you start an aggression timer? I don't quite understand why the game mechanic works this way? What's the 'intended' purpose? Terrible shame to see such a great ship and investment of a lot of people's time be lost in such a way, but credit to BoB I guess for their audacious plan which was obviously carried out flawlessly. Sad day for all Gallente everywhere. Ever heard of the term "spy"?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:48:00 - [609] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. Yeah right If the nodes could handle all of us in the local, i can tell you that more than 1 LV titan would get killed then. And why do you think we bring such big numbers to fight?, is it because we will kill LV? or is it to get node crashes? Well the answer is easy, so yes answer 1 is the right one. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:48:00 - [610] Originally by: Rangar Well, this incident shows again, that the only way for BoB to achieve anything is cheating and/or exploiting major problems of the game mechanic. EVE is really going downhill at the moment and if CCP doesn't see this, they will soon have no game anymore. The real players will leave and the remaining cheaters will not be attractive enough to drag new players into the game. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is the rise of the Goons and people like you, who vaunt as valid tactics anything their side does and screams exploit dev cheat at the other side.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:49:00 - [611] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. Yeah right If the nodes could handle all of us in the local, i can tell you that more than 1 LV titan would get killed then. And why do you think we bring such big numbers to fight?, is it because we will kill LV? or is it to get node crashes? Well the answer is easy, so yes answer 1 is the right one. No, answer 2 is. The Conventional fleet is useless because LV have titans that can DD them UNLESS THE NODE CRASHES. You only brought it (hi Goon noob frigs) to cause a node crash. ITs no coincidence that only t1 ships jumped in the first "CRASH ME" wave.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:49:00 - [612] The death isn't the awesome showdown we all hope for, however the result is the same. I wonder how this affects the war for D2, as a titan is a very significant thing, and if the guy wasn't in a POS when he logged, or when he was shot I should say, then ouch. If he was in a POS bubble (which I don't see in the OP), then that should be a reimbursement. Now I'm off to find the killmail to see the fittings. I'm guessing officer or officer-grade deadspace mods? Originally by: DHB WildCat If this is true, that is fing lame! Bad show BoB WildCat Props to Goonswarm if they don't have spies in other corps/alliances. Originally by:* kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 - [613] i always enjoy watching the forums when at work. always been like watching a soap opera. Running themes, jokes, never ending storyline..... combat reports and just a bit of mud slinging (to keep it interesting). But, for the most part, it has been a decent place for ppl to keep eve aware of the galaxies goings-on. ....until now. Now,thanks to the bandwagon, i have a new show to watch From here on out CAOD forums = Jerry Springer 350lbs of luvin: "he hit me jerry!" toothless wonder:"jerry she spit on me in front of my own momma, AND she sleepin w/ the devs" crowd gasps 350lbs of luvin:"I never slept w/ no damn devs i was sleepin w/ yer brother and smartbombed teh titan" crowd gasps toothless wonder: "you dirty cheatin! *ore!" redneck charges across stage to be tackled by security* "How dare you? Thats just dirty and wrong! I always new you wuz a cheeter" 350lbs of luvin:"oh, but takin hooters girls home from the bar aint cheetin!? i saw you log off in that bubble w/ her, dont lie!" toothless wonder:"i never did that Jerry, besides if i did thats totally different. she's makin stuff up!" asshats, i thank you for the new show
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 - [614] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. So essentially you are saying.. you guys brought a force that so large it was physically impossible to counter except by bringing so many people that the servers become seriously unstable and are then complaining that your opponents actually managed to pull it off? What should they have done? I can hear it on their alliance chat already 'ok guys, the hostiles have 400 people camping, the system can only handle 500 really, so let's just jump in 100 at a time, it's gonna be great'. Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Lv's camp was too large for any force to beat it by legitimate means. So they used illegitimate ones. Titans are supposed to require a lot of defence. Believe me, 450 people including 40 caps from a 80% Euro TZ alliance at 5am is a LOT of defence. LV had the maximum number of defenders it was possible to have and still have a playable system. By all accounts, LV should have been unassailable. Without nodecrashes, we would have been. But BoBs legitimate (although sneaky) methods are ebil right? Hypocracy Coalition ftw
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:55:00 - [615] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Lv's camp was too large for any force to beat it by legitimate means. So they used illegitimate ones. So in your opinion, people who manage to have a 400-people fleet at any one time should have a winbutton and have the right to be unchallenged no matter what their opponents may try to do? Reality check - there are no win-buttons in EVE.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:56:00 - [616] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. So essentially you are saying.. you guys brought a force that so large it was physically impossible to counter except by bringing so many people that the servers become seriously unstable and are then complaining that your opponents actually managed to pull it off? What should they have done? I can hear it on their alliance chat already 'ok guys, the hostiles have 400 people camping, the system can only handle 500 really, so let's just jump in 100 at a time, it's gonna be great'. Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Lv's camp was too large for any force to beat it by legitimate means. So they used illegitimate ones. Titans are supposed to require a lot of defence. Believe me, 450 people including 40 caps from a 80% Euro TZ alliance at 5am is a LOT of defence. LV had the maximum number of defenders it was possible to have and still have a playable system. By all accounts, LV should have been unassailable. Without nodecrashes, we would have been. But BoBs legitimate (although sneaky) methods are ebil right? Hypocracy Coalition ftw atleast some of us are able to use our main this pseudo alt posts make baby woodzOr cry --------------------------------
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:56:00 - [617] And yeah Edde Bebbi dude, when we know LV have some titans, i will say it logical for us to bring a BUNCH og ships incase we get dd'ed, so we have some backups. I hope you all understand my point here lol Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Monkey Spankah coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:58:00 - [618] For every one saying that he aggroed the titan in the POS bubble he didnt Look at the picture http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg clearly outside the bubble. Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:00:00 - [619] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Sorry, I'm tired and unable to read all 17 pages previous. Just want to ask a noobish question - why would a friendly gang member attacking you start an aggression timer? I don't quite understand why the game mechanic works this way? What's the 'intended' purpose? Terrible shame to see such a great ship and investment of a lot of people's time be lost in such a way, but credit to BoB I guess for their audacious plan which was obviously carried out flawlessly. Sad day for all Gallente everywhere. Ever heard of the term "spy"? Thanks for that constructive post and not answering any of my questions. I believe you were trying you're very best to be sarcastic and witty by saying the mechanic is there to promote 'spies' correct? That seems a daft assumption since surely CCP would prefer 'spying' in-game rather than promote metagaming spy alts this way. Got any more sarcastic and witty ideas? - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:01:00 - [620] Edited by: Portios Smith on 17/02/2007 00:59:33 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Rangar Well, this incident shows again, that the only way for BoB to achieve anything is cheating and/or exploiting major problems of the game mechanic. EVE is really going downhill at the moment and if CCP doesn't see this, they will soon have no game anymore. The real players will leave and the remaining cheaters will not be attractive enough to drag new players into the game. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is the rise of the Goons and people like you, who vaunt as valid tactics anything their side does and screams exploit dev cheat at the other side. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is when proven cheaters like BoB are not only allowed to continue playing, but stretch the mechanics of the game far beyond their intended use soon after the factual cheating incident. I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris

David Godfrey D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:02:00 - [621] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. So essentially you are saying.. you guys brought a force that so large it was physically impossible to counter except by bringing so many people that the servers become seriously unstable and are then complaining that your opponents actually managed to pull it off? What should they have done? I can hear it on their alliance chat already 'ok guys, the hostiles have 400 people camping, the system can only handle 500 really, so let's just jump in 100 at a time, it's gonna be great'. Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Lv's camp was too large for any force to beat it by legitimate means. So they used illegitimate ones. Titans are supposed to require a lot of defence. Believe me, 450 people including 40 caps from a 80% Euro TZ alliance at 5am is a LOT of defence. LV had the maximum number of defenders it was possible to have and still have a playable system. By all accounts, LV should have been unassailable. Without nodecrashes, we would have been. But BoBs legitimate (although sneaky) methods are ebil right? Hypocracy Coalition ftw atleast some of us are able to use our main this pseudo alt posts make baby woodzOr cry Dont worry baby daddys hear for ya Nice statement Ova saying it as it is gl down south --------------------------------- Ghey Seal of Approval
Monkey Spankah coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:03:00 - [622] Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Rangar Well, this incident shows again, that the only way for BoB to achieve anything is cheating and/or exploiting major problems of the game mechanic. EVE is really going downhill at the moment and if CCP doesn't see this, they will soon have no game anymore. The real players will leave and the remaining cheaters will not be attractive enough to drag new players into the game. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is the rise of the Goons and people like you, who vaunt as valid tactics anything their side does and screams exploit dev cheat at the other side. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is when proven cheaters like BoB are not only allowed to continue playing, but stretch the mechanics of the game far beyond their intended use soon afther the factual cheating incident. Ok say T20 was in CA instead of bob, none of CA knew these bpos were baught into the game threw cheating, woudl you exspect every CA member to be banned? or purged by the eve community. I don't remember at all T20s character ever saying hi im a dev alt have some free bpos. Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
Le Cook Amarr Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:04:00 - [623] If this is realy true, this is by far the lamest way of gameplay. Agressing someone when he logs off, to get him aggroed . ------------------------ I love to live in Empire
Evil Mckenna	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:04:00 - [624] Edited by: Evil Mckenna on 17/02/2007 01:02:28 Link
Machanara Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:05:00 - [625] Edited by: Machanara on 17/02/2007 01:03:49 Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. Excuse the F*K ,.,.....wha?? And you DIDNT know, knowing how the game mechanics work, that jumping and loggin in 1000 PEOPLE wouldn't crash the node?? You're fuking kidding me, right?? You knew DAMN well what would happen and you used it to your FULL advantage. So dont give us the ....oh...its not our fault we had 1000 people.. excuse...because anyone that has been in large battles knows damn well its gonna crash. Period. No need to think twice. The people here that are whining more than a crying baby are fking pathetic sore loosers. Its amazing you can call yourselves adults...it really is. I haven't heard 1/100th the whining, *ing, crying...and everything else you want to throw into that catagory from ALL my 9 nieces and 8 nephews in their ENTIRE lives than I have heard in this one thread. FKING PATHETIC Go get a real life people. If you dont like it, then leave Eve. Noone is forcing you to play and not like it. We could use all you leaving to help reduce all the damn lag!!
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:06:00 - [626] nice to know it was perry who did it. thanks for the screenie not in the gang window on the right the only person he is getting bounes from is the fleet commander no red or green light beside his name so anyway cheers.
sb404 Caldari Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:08:00 - [627] Originally by: Masooma Can I ask why do you play and take part in a game if you think it is corrupt and that everbody hired to investigate is also corrupt? I mean if i believed what you do i wouldn't play a game like that as there would be no point would there? Of course you may, but I'm ashamed of the answer. It's simply because it doesn't affect me. Of course, it doesn't mean I can't be curious about the real facts behind what happend. My opinion still stands that there's more than meets the eye. Proof or STFU you say? Good, I'll STFU, water off my back. sb ------------------------------------------------- I never wrote this -Eris
Drachenlord Amarr e X i l e Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:08:00 - [628] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. Except that last time I was in my POS shield, I couldnt target my corpmates that were also inside the shield, so my friend, it is indeed an exploit since you are not supposed to be able to target ANYTHING from inside the force field. Nice try though... -------------------------------------------------
Portios Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:09:00 - [629] Originally by: Machanara stuff Do you have a main, if not be so kind to STFU At least the BoB alt minister of propaganda "Edde Bebbi" took the trouble of making a corp for it I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
NIkis Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:10:00 - [630] cheap kill nice strategy

capt robn0id2 Amarr Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:18:00 - [631] Well, bod ran like a joke from the ragoon war. They were clearly getting crushed out here. They run home and cheat out a titan. I dont see that much has changed. As soon as the coalition is done with LV they'll be coming for BoD. It wouldnt surprise me if D2 had another 3 titans on the cooker back in their space. I love how dianabolic referred to bob home space as the hornets nest. Looks like a bit of the goon mentality is rubbing off on her. Enjoy a few little battles till the rapetrain comes. choo choo
NAFnist Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:24:00 - [632] gull you ***** me up mate lol - Regards NAFnist
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:27:00 - [633] yeah it isnt easy fighting cheaters and dev,s it dont mather wat bob do it will alway,s stink !! 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:28:00 - [634] exploit "I am expendable"
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:31:00 - [635] Originally by: laotse yeah it isnt easy fighting cheaters and dev,s it dont mather wat bob do it will alway,s stink !! I'm sure your opinion of them matters a lot. You should eve mail shrike telling him how little you think of him. I'm sure he gives a damn.
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:36:00 - [636] Originally by: Portios Smith Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is when proven cheaters like BoB are not only allowed to continue playing, but stretch the mechanics of the game far beyond their intended use soon after the factual cheating incident. I certainly see the downside of letting people without the vaguest idea what's going on post on the forums. That's you, so you don't get confused and swallow your tongue, or trip over your feet trying to work it out. Website / Recruiting
laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:37:00 - [637] and you are the smart one of the fam 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:40:00 - [638] Originally by: Machanara Edited by: Machanara on 17/02/2007 01:03:49 Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. Excuse the F*K ,.,.....wha?? And you DIDNT know, knowing how the game mechanics work, that jumping and loggin in 1000 PEOPLE wouldn't crash the node?? You're fuking kidding me, right?? You knew DAMN well what would happen and you used it to your FULL advantage. So dont give us the ....oh...its not our fault we had 1000 people.. excuse...because anyone that has been in large battles knows damn well its gonna crash. Period. No need to think twice. The people here that are whining more than a crying baby are fking pathetic sore loosers. Its amazing you can call yourselves adults...it really is. I haven't heard 1/100th the whining, *ing, crying...and everything else you want to throw into that catagory from ALL my 9 nieces and 8 nephews in their ENTIRE lives than I have heard in this one thread. FKING PATHETIC Go get a real life people. If you dont like it, then leave Eve. Noone is forcing you to play and not like it. We could use all you leaving to help reduce all the damn lag!! Keeps resetting on me..so I'll quote it again, if you like it or not...I dont give a $hit. But I have no reason to talk smack or lie abotu anything...becasue what I say here is the truth. And anyone who is of the human species knows they dont want to hear the truth...becasue it never portrays them in a good light. You people are a joke. And the crying, whining, screaming, temper-tantrums, kicking...screaming, throwing toys all over the room responses from about 2/3rds of the people here only prove my point.
Kadarin Wolfenrecon	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:45:00 - [639] Pure cheese on BoB's part. No respect.
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:46:00 - [640] BOD you are a piece of crap and this is my own view only, I've always hated your spying / alt / social grooming / dev breeding tactics. You couldn't win a stand up fight with D2 if you're life depended on it. Vorsprung over Bobnick

BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:48:00 - [641] Well, it's really a borderline tactic. If non-intented use of a game mechanic is indeed classed as an exploit by the EULA/Terms of Service, then i guess D2 might be able to get it back. From what i can gather, the PvP timer was implemented to prevent people from logging in combat. It was not implemented to force a player to stay logged in indefinitely, especially when the player takes precautions in accordance with the PvP timer rules. I bet that this micro smartbomb made barely a dent on the guy's shields, if he had his effects and damage logs disabled to help minimise lag there's a very small possibility to see what's going on. In any case, what's done is done. Now i think though is the best time for people to request a visible aggression timer countdown for 0.0 just like the one we have in lowsec. Finally, about the kill itself. Clever thinking, cheap kill. I wish to congratulate BoB, not for killing the titan, but for doing everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. I suppose when you guys say you are after a challenge you actually mean the challenge of achieving a goal whichever way possible and not the challenge as in "hmmm, i might lose but it will be a fun fight". Don't take this as a flame, if this is what you like then well done on being effective in your chosen field. Furthermore, i wish to congratulate D2 as well for remaining calm about it, managing to put it in the correct perspective and handling themselves with a dignity that's approaching total apathy and indifference. I just have to ask Woody if it's maybe time to cross the line he was talking about. The opposition does, so why not? Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:50:00 - [642] Edited by: Crass Spektakel on 17/02/2007 01:47:57 Pure and simple: Band of Developers, Glitchers and kids which can't play the game the way it is meant to be. I have never seen Bob win a fight by fair means. Shoting through POS-fields, instascanning long before scanprobes were in the game, blocking Starbase-Fire by silly plays. Glitching, Glitching, Glitching. Never playing the game. This game starts stinking. You suck, totally and awesome. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:01:00 - [643] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Originally by: Eron Lygera Do you believe that yourself? First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others? What could they possible gain from this? Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game". From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you? I believe the admission on what a DEV apologised for! and CCP have mentioned time and time again that they approve of the alliance and how it is run, and this alliance is BoB...with the above admission of this DEV and with the lack of action from CCP errr I think alot of players seem undone too. So walk away from the comp ya self and drink some coffee and wake TFU There is a difference between "favor" and "approve", mmmk? If you're not sure what this difference is and use these words interchangeably, may I suggest looking them up in a dictionary? Also here is an IQ logics test for you. Given the following two premises: 1. One member of BoB was accused of abusing his power to illegally obtain BPOs (even before he was in BoB). 2. Abusing your powers in game makes you a cheat and spoils the game for everyone else. Determine if the following statement is true or false: This means that all of BoB are cheats and spoil the game for everyone else. If you answered True to the above statement, congratulations, you just scored 62 on the IQ logics test which places you among the 0.1% of EVE population still whining about how all BoB accounts should be banned for it here on the forums.
Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:11:00 - [644] Originally by: Crass Spektakel Edited by: Crass Spektakel on 17/02/2007 01:47:57 Pure and simple: Band of Developers, Glitchers and kids which can't play the game the way it is meant to be. I have never seen Bob win a fight by fair means. Shoting through POS-fields, instascanning long before scanprobes were in the game, blocking Starbase-Fire by silly plays. Glitching, Glitching, Glitching. Never playing the game. This game starts stinking. You suck, totally and awesome. ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha (thats a joke right, no one could really be that stupid (read:bitter and scared) surely?) - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:13:00 - [645] Surely this just means all titan pilots will now be more careful about who they tell where/when they are logging .... Would probably have been wise to keep that info on the need to know anyway with the current climate of mass espionage there is in eve. (on all sides)
Auri Hella The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:17:00 - [646] I'm not sure if I should applaud this inventive plan or moan about underhanded tactics. Clever, yes, but so so low.
Shuriken Ertai Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [647] Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 17/02/2007 02:15:41 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am From what i can gather, the PvP timer was implemented to prevent people from logging in combat. It was not implemented to force a player to stay logged in indefinitely, especially when the player takes precautions in accordance with the PvP timer rules. Well said. And friendly fire shouldnt flag u.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:19:00 - [648] Originally by: Monkey Spankah For every one saying that he aggroed the titan in the POS bubble he didnt Look at the picture http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg clearly outside the bubble. Well, technically that picture only shows a titan outside a POS bubble and and cov ops with a smartbomb on cooldown. It does not show the damage text of said cov ops hitting the titan. It is at best only circumstancal proof. Note: I am not saying anyone is lying. Just that that pic is not a clear proof. They thing which I really do not understand is: Why in gods name would you log out the titan outside the POS bubble? I simply do not see any logical reason for that. Has D2 confirmed that they logged it out outside their POS?
Ascend Alt eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:22:00 - [649] Originally by: Doddy Surely this just means all titan pilots will now be more careful about who they tell where/when they are logging .... Would probably have been wise to keep that info on the need to know anyway with the current climate of mass espionage there is in eve. (on all sides) Or we could all, you know, just play this game as a simple game where we all have some fun and not treat it as some massive epeen contest where we have to win at all costs and must demonise our enemies so that any and all tactics become acceptable, even necessary so as to secure that win?
FookYou	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:28:00 - [650] Idiots killing idiots its what make's the universe go around......And to all the BoB homers 8---- bob on this

NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:30:00 - [651] -Titan sitting outside a POS alone, with little to no support in system -BoB fleet, including cap ships and cynos at the ready -They choose to wait for it to log and kill it while defenseless than grow a pair and attack it when they had a great opportunity to do it properly That's why it's a lame kill. They probably could have taken it down legitimately before it logged, but they chose to do it in their usual underhanded way.
S'Beech Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:40:00 - [652] What an incredibly lame thing to do.No credit for this kill at all.
Han Horensii Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:46:00 - [653] Originally by: Yuki Li Originally by: Portios Smith Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is when proven cheaters like BoB are not only allowed to continue playing, but stretch the mechanics of the game far beyond their intended use soon after the factual cheating incident. I certainly see the downside of letting people without the vaguest idea what's going on post on the forums. That's you, so you don't get confused and swallow your tongue, or trip over your feet trying to work it out. +1 Yuki Big respect Bob
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:48:00 - [654] Edited by: Sinister Death on 17/02/2007 02:45:06 Originally by: Drachenlord Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. Nice try though... Are you a freaking idiot or did you not see the smart bomb? LoL don't need a passive targeter... and you can do that inside the sheilds lol... Except that last time I was in my POS shield, I couldnt target my corpmates that were also inside the shield, so my friend, it is indeed an exploit since you are not supposed to be able to target ANYTHING from inside the force field. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:49:00 - [655] Originally by: Han Horensii Big respect Bob LOL, respect to BoD for killing a Titan while the pilot was offline?, yadda yadda, much respect in that Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:50:00 - [656] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Han Horensii Big respect Bob LOL, respect to BoD for killing a Titan while the pilot was offline?, yadda yadda, much respect in that You've never killed a logger? Then you are new or never played PVP... it sucks when people log off to avoid combat. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
qvacky AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:51:00 - [657] Pathetic exploitation of broken game mechanics. Really not at all surprising from BoB come to think of it...
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:56:00 - [658] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 02:53:03 Originally by: Sinister Death Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Han Horensii Big respect Bob LOL, respect to BoD for killing a Titan while the pilot was offline?, yadda yadda, much respect in that You've never killed a logger? Then you are new or never played PVP... it sucks when people log off to avoid combat. It's not about killing a logger, it's about BoD had to kill the Titan WHILE the Titan pilot was logged off, if the Titan pilot had stayed logged on, would this happen then? And i have played this game for 2 years and like 6-7 months in total, so nope, i'm not new to EVE and PVP. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Nathaniel Hull Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:57:00 - [659] Im sorry. At the bigging of this war BoB explained its actions by saying they wanted a challenge. We now can all see this is not the case. BoB simply wants to win and will even use exploits and in the past dev help in some way to do so. Its unfortunate that BoB members and leadership dont understand ....this is a game. If you are all so high strung that you have to cheat then hey guys take a step back grab a brew and relax. Get a girl and go join a corp that doesn't make your request time off to break from the game. I mean really who was the guy who thought up well we gotta hax the titan otherwise we are too afraid to do ops of our own. -No repsect -No Honor -Maybe even No kill
Han Horensii Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:02:00 - [660] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Han Horensii Big respect Bob LOL, respect to BoD for killing a Titan while the pilot was offline?, yadda yadda, much respect in that that's game mechanics maten dont tell me you never probed someone that hit ctrl+Q with aggro timer.... They did a brilliant move with their spy, this is what i respect

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:04:00 - [661] Looks like the aggression timer message needs fixing then methinks. ----------------- signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) Hi, can you get CCP to remove T20 from the dev team too? Thanks.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:06:00 - [662] Originally by: Han Horensii Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Han Horensii Big respect Bob LOL, respect to BoD for killing a Titan while the pilot was offline?, yadda yadda, much respect in that that's game mechanics maten dont tell me you never probed someone that hit ctrl+Q with aggro timer.... They did a brilliant move with their spy, this is what i respect You can say as much as you want, but BoD wont get any respect from me whatever you say, they killed the Titan while it was logged off because of someone was using a smartbomb on the titan pilot right before he logged, so he got an agression timer, so they could kill it while it was logged off. It's not about they killed a ship while it was logged off, it was they way it happened that is the problem. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:16:00 - [663] First of all, I haven't played in months so don't pay too much attention to my alliance ticker. Second, we don't need to derail the thread, if D2 can remain calm about this i think so can we. In fact, members of the anti-BoB camp should not overreact because if they do, they take away from D2's attitude on this. And D2 in this thread come off as honest upstanding guys who don't sling mud and just give a report of events as they saw them, brushing the loss aside and keeping up with the rest of their plans...and they are on your side. So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Irome Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:29:00 - [664] Edited by: Irome on 17/02/2007 03:27:31 LOL
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:30:00 - [665] Looks like BloB has AFK-pilot-killing down to a science. Congrats on gaming the game. _________________________________________________________
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:30:00 - [666] Originally by: Sinister Death Edited by: Sinister Death on 17/02/2007 02:51:57 Originally by: Drachenlord Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. Isnt this an exploit if titan was inside forcefield? No, the targetter was a D2 and also INSIDE the bubble. He used the passive targetter so that the Titan pilot wouldnt notice anything. Except that last time I was in my POS shield, I couldnt target my corpmates that were also inside the shield, so my friend, it is indeed an exploit since you are not supposed to be able to target ANYTHING from inside the force field. Nice try though... Are you a freaking idiot or did you not see the smart bomb? LoL don't need a passive targeter... and you can do that inside the sheilds lol... Are you serious? If it was outside the POS yes but anything inside shouldn't be effected or DD weapons will be activated outside the bubbles and blowing everything up inside them!
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:32:00 - [667] D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED.
D1ck Jones Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:33:00 - [668] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: DHB WildCat If this is true, that is f*ing lame! Bad show BoB WildCat Props to Goonswarm if they don't have spies in other corps/alliances. lol, owned
D1ck Jones Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:35:00 - [669] Edited by: D1ck Jones on 17/02/2007 03:32:30 Originally by: Portios Smith Edited by: Portios Smith on 17/02/2007 00:59:33 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Rangar Well, this incident shows again, that the only way for BoB to achieve anything is cheating and/or exploiting major problems of the game mechanic. EVE is really going downhill at the moment and if CCP doesn't see this, they will soon have no game anymore. The real players will leave and the remaining cheaters will not be attractive enough to drag new players into the game. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is the rise of the Goons and people like you, who vaunt as valid tactics anything their side does and screams exploit dev cheat at the other side. Dont you see it, the "downhill" side of the game is when proven cheaters like BoB are not only allowed to continue playing, but stretch the mechanics of the game far beyond their intended use soon after the factual cheating incident. Please do us all a favor and reduce the lag by quitting. Last night your real 'brilliant' tard onductor (xirtam) was going on and on on TS about how mobile warp disruptors are an exploit. You guys need to seriously get a grip on reality.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:37:00 - [670] Originally by: BossNova D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED. Will you marry me?


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Dagrin RDM Caldari The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:47:00 - [672] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. A winning strategy! Are we going for a NBSI post policy, now? Because I seriously though CCP were better than that.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:51:00 - [673] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: D1ck Jones Please do us all a favor and reduce the lag by quitting. Last night your real 'brilliant' tard onductor (xirtam) was going on and on on TS about how mobile warp disruptors are an exploit. You guys need to seriously get a grip on reality. And please do all of us in EVE a favor and reduce the lag on the server by stopping to post crap in this forum you little BoC fanboi. Comic Book Guy says: "Worst, comeback, EV-ER!"
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:51:00 - [674] Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:58:00 - [675] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 03:47:24 Originally by: D1ck Jones Please do us all a favor and reduce the lag by quitting. Last night your real 'brilliant' tard onductor (xirtam) was going on and on on TS about how mobile warp disruptors are an exploit. You guys need to seriously get a grip on reality. And please do all of us in EVE a favor and reduce the lag on the server by stopping to post crap in this forum you BIG BoC fanboi lover. Your tears are soaking this thread. INFOD: Bringers of....comical insult
Davin Intaki The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:59:00 - [676] Will this simply make more people hate BoB, or is this behaviour so commonplace with them and many other alliances that the people who already hate BoB are the ones driven to action? And didnt they take down ASCNs titan in a similar fashion? from the video i saw of the incident, ASCNs titan wasnt exactly putting up a fight.
D1ck Jones Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:01:00 - [677] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 03:47:24 Originally by: D1ck Jones Please do us all a favor and reduce the lag by quitting. Last night your real 'brilliant' tard onductor (xirtam) was going on and on on TS about how mobile warp disruptors are an exploit. You guys need to seriously get a grip on reality. And please do all of us in EVE a favor and reduce the lag on the server by stopping to post crap in this forum you BIG BoC fanboi lover. So are mobile warp disrpotrs an exploit now? You guys already have a thread on your forums with built in excuses, I love it.
Gouglash Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:02:00 - [678] Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. Hard, but not impossible. RA had the first BoB Titan down to 70% armor when it was in their space, and ti ended up escaping by cynoing out to somewhere else in the same system. A handful of neut fitted BS, and the BoB Titan would have been dead... while logged in.
Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:08:00 - [679] Originally by: Gouglash Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. Hard, but not impossible. RA had the first BoB Titan down to 70% armor when it was in their space, and ti ended up escaping by cynoing out to somewhere else in the same system. A handful of neut fitted BS, and the BoB Titan would have been dead... while logged in. As good as it sounds "would" doesn't cut it in life Sig removed. Please keep it in English. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) violet monster came for my sig sob
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:09:00 - [680] Originally by: D1ck Jones Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 03:47:24 Originally by: D1ck Jones Please do us all a favor and reduce the lag by quitting. Last night your real 'brilliant' tard onductor (xirtam) was going on and on on TS about how mobile warp disruptors are an exploit. You guys need to seriously get a grip on reality. And please do all of us in EVE a favor and reduce the lag on the server by stopping to post crap in this forum you BIG BoC fanboi lover. So are mobile warp disrpotrs an exploit now? You guys already have a thread on your forums with built in excuses, I love it. Did i say anything about mobile warp disruptors?, no, i was talking about your whinage and the talk about how much you love BoC because of that and that and that..... Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred

Errellion Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:11:00 - [681] Cheap shot this cheap shot that, stop whinging about it and do the same back? Every thread I see these days is how cheap BoB is...get over it kids...do the same back...it's a game so I understand the =love to hate BoB thing but in the end it's put up or shut up...and they put up. Don't talk unless you're doing the same. "I'm all for b r e a s t s" - John Cambell
Gouglash Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:12:00 - [682] Originally by: Ikarushka Originally by: Gouglash Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. Hard, but not impossible. RA had the first BoB Titan down to 70% armor when it was in their space, and ti ended up escaping by cynoing out to somewhere else in the same system. A handful of neut fitted BS, and the BoB Titan would have been dead... while logged in. As good as it sounds "would" doesn't cut it in life It does in this argument. There was context. Somebody said "too hard to kill." I said "It's almost been done once already." Sure, almost doesn't make the titan dead, but it does prove it's possible to do without abusing the aggro system.
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:24:00 - [683] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Muzzh that has no meaning at all because its inaccurate (u can be shown online while u are already logged out since 2-3mins). Post with you main, since you made a valid point but it might be removed. But just for the record, the green icon can be off at times, though in most cases its highly accurate. Even so, had the pilot really been offline, and the green icon wrong, aggro wouldn't have occured as per the standered aggro mechanics. (you can't aggro an offline pilot) Wow since when has local been accurate I have recently been ofline to my second account even though onlinne... a war target a highly negative standing to myself as well as a highly positive one and I have even shown myself still online for a period off time after logging so yeah local is anything but accurate as for what happened. If the guy was on TS he merely had to position himself near the titan and wait for him to nn chaps I'm ff leave it to the last possible moment in order to ensure there is the smallest margin for error possible. Was what they did illegal no was it lame undoubtably is it wuestionable use of game mehcanics I would say so however only teh DEv's/GM's could say whether this is an intended use of the agro timer and seriously do you really expect them to do jack about it can you imagine the **** storm that would happen if the re-imbursed a titan.
Knerf Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:27:00 - [684] i still think it was a huge mistake to not allow these ships to be out of space as soon as you log, as they cannot dock i say if a person goes through a 5min logout procedure where there is no warping/aggro the ship should disappear as soon as its over, hell, make it 10 or 15 minutes if thats more reasonable.
haq aan	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:33:00 - [685] Exploit..,period. ps: I must admit, it was a nice plan.But it d be better if they would ve been used their effort for combat tactics than cheap exploits. haq aan - main character
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:40:00 - [686] Originally by: Supay Edited by: Supay on 17/02/2007 00:17:47 Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Supay Next time, for all those D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them. Point me to a similar lame event caused by d2. Memory is extremely selective. As are your NAPs when they suit you. Should rename yours as Not Actually-going-to-attack-you-yet Pact Funny bit like BoB..... remind me what happened to ISS and BoB again remind me what happened to that agrrement you had with them? BoB are not innocents in this matter truth be told most alliance are not however BoB and some other alliances are pushing the boundries in regards to how the game should be played "IMO" if it turns out my opinion of the way the game should be played vastly differs from CCP's and they want an anything goes any tactic and reason any "lame" way to play goes well to be hoenst I will not care cause I will not be around to play it.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:40:00 - [687] Originally by: Gouglash Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. Hard, but not impossible. RA had the first BoB Titan down to 70% armor when it was in their space, and ti ended up escaping by cynoing out to somewhere else in the same system. A handful of neut fitted BS, and the BoB Titan would have been dead... while logged in. The difference is this was only possible because Molle has massive balls of steel and is willing to engage a 100man gatecamp solo in his titan just using smartbombs (DD still recharging) because he is bored. Even he would probably not do this if he wasnt 100% sure of a suitable jump out cyno. So no, killing a logged on titan who isnt an idiot (have you SEEN the avatars cap recharge with 3 rigs and some relays?) is nigh on impossible.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:42:00 - [688] Titan pilots are gonna start having to set off their doomsday before warping to a deepsafe to log off. Pretty weak by BOB, but hey. . .they're the masters at knowing all the little technical things other folks don't and using them to their advantage. Wonder why that is? Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:44:00 - [689] blech Ganking a titan that isn't connected is just way too much like ***** a dead chick, except for the smell ----- Originally by:** wrong on so many levels you couldn't be more wrong if you were tuxford
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:45:00 - [690] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. Yeah right If the nodes could handle all of us in the local, i can tell you that more than 1 LV titan would get killed then. And why do you think we bring such big numbers to fight?, is it because we will kill LV? or is it to get node crashes? Well the answer is easy, so yes answer 1 is the right one. No, answer 2 is. The Conventional fleet is useless because LV have titans that can DD them UNLESS THE NODE CRASHES. You only brought it (hi Goon noob frigs) to cause a node crash. ITs no coincidence that only t1 ships jumped in the first "CRASH ME" wave. One DD an hour... that can miss yeah that will wtfbbqpwn every fleet there ever was in fact yeah a Titan can win eve on it's own .

BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:50:00 - [691] Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. So? Does that make it ok to manipulate the aggro timer? It's still a non-intended use of a game mechanic. I think i saw someone in this thread post the EULA/TOS articles about it being considered an exploit, someone care to point me to it? I would love it if they were easier to tackle and cheaper to build so you could risk it and replace it in proper ingame scenarios. This however was the cheapest stunt i have ever seen in this game and i've been here for close to 3 years now. Granted, i'm not the most active of players, but i login often enough to keep tabs on what's going on in the universe. And let me clarify that i'm not referring to the use of spies as cheap, but to the misuse of a game mechanic. It's not D2's fault that titan's and motherships can't be held down long enough, it's CCP's design. Most certainly, it's not the player's job to circumvent a flawed design by manipulating another one like BoB did in this case. That is, unless they really are devs who are using a shortcut solution to avoid rewriting some code See, we can't all have our cake and eat it too Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:59:00 - [692] I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:01:00 - [693] Originally by: ElweSingollo Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. Yeah right If the nodes could handle all of us in the local, i can tell you that more than 1 LV titan would get killed then. And why do you think we bring such big numbers to fight?, is it because we will kill LV? or is it to get node crashes? Well the answer is easy, so yes answer 1 is the right one. No, answer 2 is. The Conventional fleet is useless because LV have titans that can DD them UNLESS THE NODE CRASHES. You only brought it (hi Goon noob frigs) to cause a node crash. ITs no coincidence that only t1 ships jumped in the first "CRASH ME" wave. One DD an hour... that can miss yeah that will wtfbbqpwn every fleet there ever was in fact yeah a Titan can win eve on it's own . When there is only one gate to get in by and it has 15 L bubbles preventing warp off, 1 DD an hour = 300 kills.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:03:00 - [694] Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery!
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:07:00 - [695] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery! Red Alliance has engaged one fairly, if they'd had just a few more ships, particularly ones equipped with NOS at that battle, BoB's titan would have been destroyed I'm pretty sure :) So yes it can be done :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:08:00 - [696] Originally by: Fitz Regal Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Which bit of using a passive targetter to fire through pos shields did u miss? It seems you've missed the picture showing the Titan being hit with a smartbomb outside of the shields. The passive target shooting through POS bubble bug of the past has nothing to do with this Titan dying because, simply put, the titan was not inside of a POS bubble when it was aggressed. As for the LV titan in construction that died, if it was 1000 bees going to hit 450 defenders, no node crash would've resulted in lots of pesticides and dead bees. You'd have been fighting people on their terms, and unlike you, they could have rejoined the fight almost instantly by grabbing another ship in system. What would be highly amusing is if LV lied to the spy, and the Titan was somewhere else, say, Delve. You might need sov to anchor a cap ship array, but iirc, you don't need to keep sov to keep building in it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:09:00 - [697] It's an exploit, and it's really quite easy to see that when you actually attempt to be purely objective, transcending the sides of this war. An exploit is doing something that is in direct conflict with what CCP has designed it to do. -Commiting a crime in highsec and then evading Concorde is entirely possible. But its an exploit. -Suiciding newbs as they start the game is entirely within game mechanics. But it conflicts with how the game is meant to be played. Therefore CCP says exploit. -Keeping someone in corp by changing their roles repeatedly, a "valid" game mechanic. Nope, exploit. -Using the aggro timer in a way that it was not designed for (ding, ding, ding). Exploit. -Shooting wrecks to keep the aggro timer going. Acknowledged exploit and no different then what happened. -Etc, etc, etc. As stated by someone a million pages back, it's entirely possible that the pilot was aggro'd seconds before he actually logged and was completely unaware of it, even if he might have been watching for it. Him showing in local in that pic means nothing, its not video showing him sitting there for 10 seconds or 30 seconds or a minute. It's a split second photo. He could have already had the esc menu up. Maybe he had it up for a short while as he was adjusting a setting before hitting the quit button. There could've been lag involved. He could've seen the cov ops pilot and thought nothing of it since he was blue. Sure he can expect a spy, but what's a spy in a cov ops gonna do? People don't assume exploits are happening left and right, they assume people will play the damn game as its supposed to be played, using common decency and a fair play attitude. There are plenty of other scenarios that all make perfect sense and are far more likely then just a dumb titan pilot. Its entirely possible. On that note I'd almost say it's entirely possible BoB has done this before, but it wasn't caught (hint, hint, we'll never know). I'm not saying any of this as fact, but common sense says to me that he was fully unaware of the aggro timer, especialy since it's famously happened before. And that is an abuse of the aggro timer and therefore an exploit. Cliff notes: Exploit ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:09:00 - [698] I have to give BoB credit. Not for killing the titan, but for staying off these forums. The best way of changing public opinion about BoB is to let the rest of the children talk.
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:14:00 - [699] Edited by: Crass Spektakel on 17/02/2007 05:10:56 Ok, then lets say me more polite: They couldn't kill a fly if it hits their windshield without refering to some strange glitching. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:22:00 - [700] It was a legit (although very cheesy) way of killing a supercap. On the bright side BoB will never be able to throw around the "metagaming" flame on these forums since over the ASCN war and now this war they have proved to be the undisputed masters of this form of gameplay.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:23:00 - [701] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery! When people say fair, they mean within the game rules, that's all. If you take note, you will see that there are reasonable people who don't complain about the existence of spies. What's wrong here is that a certain game mechanic that's meant to enhance/balance the playing experience has been abused to cause damage to a player that is not in the game, can't fight back and has no knowledge of what's happening. To put it simply, a player suffered non-preventable ingame loss while he was not in the game, having also taken some necessary precautions prior to exiting. That's the whole issue, the fact that it was a spy doesn't matter at all. What matters is that a certain game mechanic was abused to yield results different than desired by CCP at the time of its implementation. If i read that EULA/TOS part correctly, it should be classed as an exploit. D2 don't let your pride get the best of your judgement, get someone who's calm enough to petition it, quote the relevant parts of CCP's own rules and escalate the petition to a senior GM if you need to. People were complaining about not getting reimbursed for other things, among which the exploit that involves shooting the wrecks, but recently i learned of a case where the player escalated the petition and got reimbursed. It's not your fault that loopholes exist, just don't pretend it's raining when people p*ss on you and take appropriate action with the GMs. Its not a bug its an intended game mechanic that friendly fire is included in the aggro timer. Since its not a bug, using it cannot be an exploit. Using something for a different purpose than its intention is not an exploit provided it is all done ingame and it does not involve a bug, otherwise you can claim that instas were an exploit, Can mining is an exploit etc etc etc
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:24:00 - [702] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan It was a legit (although very cheesy) way of killing a supercap. On the bright side BoB will never be able to throw around the "metagaming" flame on these forums since over the ASCN war and now this war they have proved to be the undisputed masters of this form of gameplay. When have they ever done this? MEtagaming provided it does not break laws has always been embraced by Bob and every other major alliance
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:29:00 - [703] It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Daring Devilina Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:34:00 - [704] Originally by: Gallente Caliente It's an exploit, and it's really quite easy to see that when you actually attempt to be purely objective, transcending the sides of this war. An exploit is doing something that is in direct conflict with what CCP has designed it to do. -Commiting a crime in highsec and then evading Concorde is entirely possible. But its an exploit. -Suiciding newbs as they start the game is entirely within game mechanics. But it conflicts with how the game is meant to be played. Therefore CCP says exploit. -Keeping someone in corp by changing their roles repeatedly, a "valid" game mechanic. Nope, exploit. -Using the aggro timer in a way that it was not designed for (ding, ding, ding). Exploit. -Shooting wrecks to keep the aggro timer going. Acknowledged exploit and no different then what happened. -Etc, etc, etc. As stated by someone a million pages back, it's entirely possible that the pilot was aggro'd seconds before he actually logged and was completely unaware of it, even if he might have been watching for it. Him showing in local in that pic means nothing, its not video showing him sitting there for 10 seconds or 30 seconds or a minute. It's a split second photo. He could have already had the esc menu up. Maybe he had it up for a short while as he was adjusting a setting before hitting the quit button. There could've been lag involved. He could've seen the cov ops pilot and thought nothing of it since he was blue. Sure he can expect a spy, but what's a spy in a cov ops gonna do? People don't assume exploits are happening left and right, they assume people will play the damn game as its supposed to be played, using common decency and a fair play attitude. There are plenty of other scenarios that all make perfect sense and are far more likely then just a dumb titan pilot. Its entirely possible. On that note I'd almost say it's entirely possible BoB has done this before, but it wasn't caught (hint, hint, we'll never know). I'm not saying any of this as fact, but common sense says to me that he was fully unaware of the aggro timer, especialy since it's famously happened before. And that is an abuse of the aggro timer and therefore an exploit. Cliff notes: Exploit Dictionary.com for Exploit - Which one applies to BOBs tactics 1. Exploit - a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great. 2. Exploit - to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers. 3. Exploint - To advertise; promote. 4. Exploit - To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. How no doubt that BOB's tactics are at the bottom of the list. No straight up attack on a POS like was done to LV (Brilliantly executed by lots of peeps). It was an exploit of an aggro timer and truly a shameful way to play the game. No, I am not claiming that BOB was informed by GMs on where the Titan was or how you can sneak an attack. I just find it a shameful way to play the game. Makes me wonder if BOB fights with their precious Titan(s) Time to rise up and fight the BULLY on the street corner. Time to show those who think they can cheat their way around a game instead of playing thru it's rules of Honor. BOB MUST BE DEALT WITH NOW!! Daring Devilina (NOBOB Painpusher) -------------------- www.nobob.info
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:35:00 - [705] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: BossNova D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED. Will you marry me? Yes. Write up the contract, and I'll pick up the marriage license in Jita. I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:42:00 - [706] Originally by: BossNova Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: BossNova D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED. Will you marry me? Yes. Write up the contract, and I'll pick up the marriage license in Jita. I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds. I'd only marry this twit if I could take out some fat life insurance policy before knifing them in the face and dumping their dead body in the ocean. Or throwing it into a wood chipper a la 'Fargo' style and sending the remains out into some deserted river or something. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:43:00 - [707] Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 17/02/2007 05:39:54 Originally by: BossNova I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds. What logic? Do you think its entirely possible all 1000 or whatever of them just wanted to fight? Should they go in single file in groups of 25 to get picked off? The servers are CCPs problem, there is no magic number that prevents lag and node crashing every time. Well known and well defined? See my earlier post. How's them logic apples taste? ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:47:00 - [708] I read this thread and became dumber.
Cloe Tempanos	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:52:00 - [709] this game is getting worse by the day...first ccp is proven to be cheating ****heads aiding BOD, now BOB resorts to every imaginable exploit and low-blow tactic to win. all respect for CCP and BOB has been destroyed as of now. thanks CCP i needed a break from this game anyways.
Milena Rage The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:53:00 - [710] Edited by: Milena Rage on 17/02/2007 05:50:36 Originally by: w0rmy I read this thread and became dumber. QFT ;p Originally by: Cloe Tempanos this game is getting worse by the day...first ccp is proven to be cheating ****heads aiding BOD, now BOB resorts to every imaginable exploit and low-blow tactic to win. all respect for CCP and BOB has been destroyed as of now. thanks CCP i needed a break from this game anyways. wts clue You really have no idea, do you? When you take a break, pleaaaaseeee don't come back.

BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:00:00 - [711] Edited by: BlackDog Rackh''am on 17/02/2007 06:00:15 Originally by: Crellion It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres I'm not saying it deffinitely is an exploit. I'm saying it's use of a game mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used when CCP implemented this. Now, if abuse of a game mechanic=exploit in CCP's book there might be a chance for D2 to get their ship back and they should petition, that's all i'm saying. The aggro timer was introduced to prevent 2-3 snipping BS from doing fly bys popping your support and logging off when tacklers get within 30km of them. I don't think it was introduced with the sole aim of making capital ship pilots surrender all life to the confines of this virtual world and never logoff. What do you think? EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:08:00 - [712] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am ... Linkage I think it was meant to catch ships logging off while aggroed. Nothing more nothing less. Your sniper ship description probably accounts successfully for 2% of the intended use tbh... but thats just my opinion. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:23:00 - [713] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Edited by: BlackDog Rackh''am on 17/02/2007 06:00:15 Originally by: Crellion It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres I'm not saying it deffinitely is an exploit. I'm saying it's use of a game mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used when CCP implemented this. Now, if abuse of a game mechanic=exploit in CCP's book there might be a chance for D2 to get their ship back and they should petition, that's all i'm saying. The aggro timer was introduced to prevent 2-3 snipping BS from doing fly bys popping your support and logging off when tacklers get within 30km of them. I don't think it was introduced with the sole aim of making capital ship pilots surrender all life to the confines of this virtual world and never logoff. What do you think? EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage Well there it is, case closed. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Mystical Angel	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:30:00 - [714] So, after this is all said and done how many titans were actually legitamitly killed?
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:40:00 - [715] Quote: 12.14 How do I know whatÆs legal or illegal in the game? Using the game mechanics in any way to achieve an unintended game behavior is exploiting. I think this says it all...
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:43:00 - [716] Originally by: Mystical Angel So, after this is all said and done how many titans were actually legitamitly killed? .5
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:46:00 - [717] Look on the bright side. Now CCP will probably implement what hundreds (if not thousands) of people have been BEGGING them for: Visual aggression 'countdown' for any act of aggresion and/or "Are you sure you want to logoff with aggression timer active?" popup Yeah, sure, in year 2012, I guess. CCP are sadists in their own special way. EVE is in many ways created to 'torture' players (travel 15km to gate, at 80m/s - sorted out now, though; move 90km to next accel gate in lvl4 missions; make an exploration site full or ore, where barge can't enter; don't supply any documentation on many parts of game mechanics, let players waste hours/days trying to figure it out; etc, etc). At the end of the day, CCP seemingly find it ok for unreal amount of manhours to be lost, because they were lazy to implement a most basic feature. Sadism at its best :)
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:54:00 - [718] Way to go for making EVE-Online truely EVE-Offline. In that respect, I hope the DEVs work hard to change game mechanics so this won't happen again. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:54:00 - [719] Originally by: Daring Devilina Dictionary.com for Exploit - Which one applies to BOBs tactics 1. Exploit - a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great. 2. Exploit - to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers. 3. Exploint - To advertise; promote. 4. Exploit - To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. How no doubt that BOB's tactics are at the bottom of the list. No straight up attack on a POS like was done to LV (Brilliantly executed by lots of peeps). It was an exploit of an aggro timer and truly a shameful way to play the game. No, I am not claiming that BOB was informed by GMs on where the Titan was or how you can sneak an attack. I just find it a shameful way to play the game. Makes me wonder if BOB fights with their precious Titan(s) Time to rise up and fight the BULLY on the street corner. Time to show those who think they can cheat their way around a game instead of playing thru it's rules of Honor. BOB MUST BE DEALT WITH NOW!! Daring Devilina (NOBOB Painpusher) Heres one for ya (sorry Moe had to be done ) id+i+ot noun 1.an utterly foolish or senseless person. 2.Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25. [Origin: 1250û1300; ME < L idiōta < Gk iditTs private person, layman, person lacking skill or expertise, equiv. to idiō- (lengthened var. of idio- idio-, perh. by analogy with stratiōtTs professional soldier, deriv. of stratiß army) + -tTs agent n. suffix] ùSynonyms 1. fool, half-wit; imbecile; dolt, dunce, numskull. troll v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners. ___________________________________________________________________
Drakus Minmatar all professions	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:32:00 - [720] ok... now, i can't be bothered to read the... 20+ pages of this thread.. read the start where D2 says that an alt spy shot the titan to give it agro before he logged off. now, are people claiming thats an exploit? Cause i'm not sure how ya can say that its one... ever since the game started alt spys have been around. Hell look at the GHSC operation. HUGE for its time. I wouldn't say it was an exploit, or really even bad form... i mean, it sucks to have it happen to ya, and if it happened to me i'd be ****ed too... but having alt spies is a part of the game... Its like having an assassin. Person gets close to target any way it can, then betrays them at the most opertune moment. I think all this talk about it being exploits is due to the whole Gm scandal. but i have friends in BoB, and I know they wouldn't be a part of that scandal. So people need to stop painting the entire alliance that way based on the actions of a few individuals. And people need to get off there high horses cause i can pretty much guarentee that if the roles were reversed people would accept help from a dev. But this is just me, total outsider just peeking his head inside the crazy world here trying to figure out just why everyones gone so nuts :)

ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:33:00 - [721] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar We are rich...isk is not a problem Quoted from the ASCN book of quotes, chapter 1
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:40:00 - [722] In the attack that led to the D2 Titans destruction, a BOB spy (having infiltrated a D2 corp) used a covert ops with a micro smartbomb in order to aggro the D2 Titan without the pilot knowing. The Titan pilot logs off while aggroed due to this. The Titan pilot has, during that moment not been involved in combat for over 3 hours. It is clear that the aggression mechanic employed by CCP is NOT intended to be used in this way. The BOB spy knows it all too well, but still decide to use a gamemechanic in a way in which the entirety of the Eve community know is not intended. A gamemechanic was therefore willingly and knowingly used in such a way as it was not intended by CCP. Following this, BOB has subsequently gained an unfair advantage. The FAQ below clearly states that this incident is a bannable exploit. Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Bottom line suggest that the D2 Titan should be reinbursed. Case Closed.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:42:00 - [723] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 07:39:37 Originally by: Skeltek Quote: 12.14 How do I know whatÆs legal or illegal in the game? Using the game mechanics in any way to achieve an unintended game behavior is exploiting. I think this says it all... Jet can mining. Insta jumps. Istab BSs. Stabbabonds. Purposeful node crashes (actually this SHOULD BE AN EXPLOIT) Its not that simple and we all know it. Everyone is totally misunderstanding the issue. Considerations of players intentions are IRRELEVENT. The fact is: If you are aggroed it is intended game behaviour that you do not disappear!
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:44:00 - [724] Edited by: Sinister Death on 17/02/2007 07:40:57 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage You have the wrong section bolded m8... here lemme fix it for you: Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:45:00 - [725] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek In the attack that led to the D2 Titans destruction, a BOB spy (having infiltrated a D2 corp) used a covert ops with a micro smartbomb in order to aggro the D2 Titan without the pilot knowing. The Titan pilot logs off while aggroed due to this. The Titan pilot has, during that moment not been involved in combat for over 3 hours. It is clear that the aggression mechanic employed by CCP is NOT intended to be used in this way. The BOB spy knows it all too well, but still decide to use a gamemechanic in a way in which the entirety of the Eve community know is not intended. A gamemechanic was therefore willingly and knowingly used in such a way as it was not intended by CCP. Following this, BOB has subsequently gained an unfair advantage. The FAQ below clearly states that this incident is a bannable exploit. Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Bottom line suggest that the D2 Titan should be reinbursed. Case Closed. Aye, i can't agree more to that Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:53:00 - [726] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? I only murdered the guy once guv! Thanks for admitting to cheating once D2. How many times have you cheated and not been found out?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [727] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? I only murdered the guy once guv! Thanks for admitting to cheating once D2. How many times have you cheated and not been found out? That logic is only allowed to be used to flame BoB mate, better keep quiet
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [728] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Watch out Edde... This is the twighlight zone... logic doesn't exist here... and only people who repeat the same thing over and over can get through! EXPLOIT... EXPLOIT... EXPLOIT... Save yourself! Get out of the thread while you can! BACK TO CS:S DEMONS! (lol is it smart to be watching zombie flicks while reading COAD?) . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Yagyu Munemori Amarr Space lane Patrol	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [729] Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. ________________________________________________ Its better to have loved and lost then never to have lost at all
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:56:00 - [730] Sad to see this way of fight, respect for D¦ to annonce it. For DEV : We need urgently a VISUAL AGGRO Timer ! Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:56:00 - [731] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. Please quit now. Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:58:00 - [732] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 07:55:53 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it's still a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be allowed to use ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:58:00 - [733] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. Hitting CTL Q to avoid combat is not as was intended by the CCP developers too... so while you cry foul and that the Titan needs to be deserved... then perhaps on the flip side... the pilot can get the ship back... and be promptly banned? I think that might be a sound alternative... Given how all the explaining about using game mechanics on how they are intended and not are being thrown around in this thread. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Audeamus Fatal's Marauders Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:59:00 - [734] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions Lead by example.
Risiru Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:59:00 - [735] What is it with the obvious alts still posting in all of these threads? @mods: Is the the way the alt rule is supposed to work? Create one man alt corperation and you are fine to post in the COAD forum?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:00:00 - [736] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 17/02/2007 07:59:39 nvm
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:02:00 - [737] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:03:00 - [738] Originally by: Risiru @mods: Is the the way the alt rule is supposed to work? Create one man alt corperation and you are fine to post in the COAD forum? you can email mods questions at [email protected] (you guys are pretty good at looking up rules... i'm surpised you missed this one, glad to help though.) . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:05:00 - [739] Originally by: Sinister Death Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic. Ahahahaha, he logged because he had to do some rl stuffs. And when he logged off, there was NO, yes NO enemies at the Titan. Jeeeez, someone really need to read about what actually happened Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:05:00 - [740] Originally by: Sinister Death Hitting CTL Q to avoid combat is not as was intended by the CCP developers too... so while you cry foul and that the Titan needs to be deserved... then perhaps on the flip side... the pilot can get the ship back... and be promptly banned? I think that might be a sound alternative... Given how all the explaining about using game mechanics on how they are intended and not are being thrown around in this thread. erm, please read before posting, the d2 pilot didnt pull a logoff to avoid the fight, he was about to loggoff for rl and only with that information aquired via a spy they pulled the smartbomb thing.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:08:00 - [741] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 07:55:53 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it's still a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be allowed to use ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:08:00 - [742] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Wow. That's ******* awsome. Well worth the lost spy. Brilliant. Bravo BoB
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:12:00 - [743] Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:15:00 - [744] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making **** up
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:17:00 - [745] CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:17:00 - [746] Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:19:00 - [747] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 08:16:22 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. Originally by:** Edde Bebbi Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit? If you read the EULA you will see that it's an exploit. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [748] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit? Being shot by a "friendly" one second before you log off safely inside a POS is completely the exploit of game mechanics.
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [749] i dont understand why you all whine about this for over 20 pages now. Seems like most of the comments are so stupid its embarrassing to read them. its clearly explained and proved how the titan was killed. No exploits used whats so ever. Its d2 fault they had spy in high ranks in their alliance. Its their fault they didnt wait with support fleet ready while titan was logging off. tho CCP should make somekind of "Safe logoff" button for such cases. Like emergency warpoff will commence only then if its realy emergency. I would say it was well organized and very well executed plan by BoB. Atleast what you all lamers smacking here can do is to give some credit to BoB
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [750] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. According to who? You? Its always worked this way and it was implemented this way. What you are basically saying is YOU think the mechanics should change, and therefore making use of them as they are is an exploit**. Please feel free to explain otherwise.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:21:00 - [751] Originally by: Milena Marich Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit? Being shot by a "friendly" one second before you log off safely inside a POS is completely the exploit of game mechanics. Why? also how do you know it was 1 second? And it WASNT inside a pos
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:22:00 - [752] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 17/02/2007 08:19:37 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. So let me get this straight. You're saying that, simply becuse of this incident, that friendlies should no longer be able to aggro each other? Ever since the pvp timer was implemented, every player on player action regardless of standings or affiliation caused an aggression timer. Anyone versed in the ways of 0.0 knows this, and knows that even just messing around with corp members at a gate or safespot could potentially lead to their death. Why exactly should this mechanic be changed now?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:23:00 - [753] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. According to who? You? Its always worked this way and it was implemented this way. What you are basically saying is YOU think the mechanics should change, and therefore making use of them as they are is an exploit. Please feel free to explain otherwise. Noooo no no no no, it was not implented to the game to work in this way. Read again what's written in THIS reply. The EULA is clearly saying that this tactic is against the EULA, is it hard to understand? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred**
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:25:00 - [754] Originally by: Righteous Fury So let me get this straight. You're saying that, simply becuse of this incident, that friendlies should no longer be able to aggro each other? Ever since the pvp timer was implemented, every player on player action regardless of standings or affiliation caused an aggression timer. Anyone versed in the ways of 0.0 knows this, and knows that even just messing around with corp members at a gate or safespot could potentially lead to their death. Why exactly should this mechanic be changed now? The agression timer was implented to aviod peoples to log off WHILE in combat. And was the Titan in combat? nope Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:26:00 - [755] "Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit." And where is the intended mechanic of agression timers documented by ccp?
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:29:00 - [756] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 17/02/2007 08:26:02 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Righteous Fury So let me get this straight. You're saying that, simply becuse of this incident, that friendlies should no longer be able to aggro each other? Ever since the pvp timer was implemented, every player on player action regardless of standings or affiliation caused an aggression timer. Anyone versed in the ways of 0.0 knows this, and knows that even just messing around with corp members at a gate or safespot could potentially lead to their death. Why exactly should this mechanic be changed now? The agression timer was implented to aviod peoples to log off WHILE in combat. And was the Titan in combat? nope You can argue the reasoning behind why the pvp timer was implemented all you'd really like, but the reasoning means nothing. The only thing that matters is how the rules work. This is the facts of the matter: The pvp timer has been in game for at least a year now. In that time, regardless of when combat/agressive action occured, a pilot was required to remain in space for 15 more minutes without being agressed or acting aggressively in order to disappear after logging out. In that whole time, every single person in Eve learned that just activating your guns ONCE or being webbed by a bored corpmate would flag you. At what point did these facts change in the past 24 hours? BoB shot the titan, the titan pilot apparently did not notice, logged - and then, by the rules DEFINED by the code of the game, stayed in space because he was flagged. There is absolutely no trickery here, but feel free to show me where I'm flawed.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:29:00 - [757] A *** tactic indeed. If ya cant beat them in game, wait till they log off!!
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:30:00 - [758] The BOB lovers will do anything in their power to twist this incident in their favour. And who could blame them? The BOB haters, in return, will do the same ..obviously;P
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:31:00 - [759] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. According to who? You? Its always worked this way and it was implemented this way. What you are basically saying is YOU think the mechanics should change, and therefore making use of them as they are is an exploit**. Please feel free to explain otherwise. Noooo no no no no, it was not implented to the game to work in this way. Read again what's written in THIS reply. The EULA is clearly saying that this tactic is against the EULA, is it hard to understand? Listen to me, I will speak slowly The EULA defines the an exploit as "to use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended". If friendlies being able to activate the PVP timer was INTENDED, then there is no exploit Nothing you or anyone else has said, or anything in the EULA, states that the PvP timer is NOT intended to apply to people in the same corp or alliance. In fact the devs embracing of spies eg in the GHSC affair show that they ACCEPT that people in the same corp/alliance may be hostile to each other. you need to PROVE that friendly-aggro-timer ISNT intended. If this is the case, then using it knowingly is an exploit. But it IS intended
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:34:00 - [760] Something what I call clear exploit of garbage game mechanics. " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will

NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:36:00 - [761] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Listen to me, I will speak slowly The EULA defines the an exploit as "to use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended". If friendlies being able to activate the PVP timer was INTENDED, then there is no exploit Nothing you or anyone else has said, or anything in the EULA, states that the PvP timer is NOT intended to apply to people in the same corp or alliance. In fact the devs embracing of spies eg in the GHSC affair show that they ACCEPT that people in the same corp/alliance may be hostile to each other. you need to PROVE that friendly-aggro-timer ISNT intended. If this is the case, then using it knowingly is an exploit. But it IS intended 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Well it doesn't say anything exactly about the agression timer, but the way D2 lost their Titan is after what's written under "12.1 What is an exploit?" an exploit. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:38:00 - [762] Read what you are saying!!! Friendly fire is exploit and against EULA Aggro timer from aggro is exploit and against EULA Are you realy so retarded???
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:39:00 - [763] Originally by: NightmareX 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Well it doesn't say anything exactly about the agression timer, but the way D2 lost their Titan is after what's written under "12.1 What is an exploit?" an exploit. Look, I know from dealings with you in the past that you have trouble with logical reasoning, but this is ridiculous. You have EVEN BOLDED the part that proves you wrong. To be an exploit in that definition an exploit is to "use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players" The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:39:00 - [764] Originally by: putukas Read what you are saying!!! Friendly fire is exploit and against EULA Aggro timer from aggro is exploit and against EULA Are you realy so retarded??? No i'm saying that a friendly fire should not cause an agression timer Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:40:00 - [765] Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu Keep reading it then, CCP is who determines what an exploit is, not whether or not its possible in game. I redirect you to my post here. Anyone with any common sense can see what constitutes an exploit. CCP does and they have yet to address this scenario. However using how they've addressed other possible yet dirty scenarios, its a very safe assumption that this is an exploit. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:41:00 - [766] Congrats on the kill bob and good luck in the war D2. This type of play isnt a good advert for eve tbh. It's a brilliant plan by bob and bob being bob will always use every means to win. Pvp in this game is at an all time (low player skill) imo, hope ccp sorts these issues its alot of isk to lose on a technicality
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:42:00 - [767] Edited by: putukas on 17/02/2007 08:39:14 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: putukas Read what you are saying!!! Friendly fire is exploit and against EULA Aggro timer from aggro is exploit and against EULA Are you realy so retarded??? No i'm saying that a friendly fire should not cause an agression timer Yeah it maybe shouldnt but it does atm and everybody know that and its intended to make agrotimer. So there is no exploit. Write about your ideas in "Features and Ideas Discussion" forum. Maybe they change it in the future.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:42:00 - [768] Originally by: NightmareX Well it doesn't say anything exactly about the agression timer, but the way D2 lost their Titan is after what's written under "12.1 What is an exploit?" an exploit. You are simply arguing in circles now, without actually saying anything new. Game mechanics were not modified in any way to give advantages. Mechanics that have been in use for over a year now were used in a new, inventive way - which is oddly enough not an exploit. If using game mechanics in new ways was considered an exploit, Eve would not have changed since the day it was released. The new nano trend would be a bannable offense, jet can mining, gank-fitted armageddons, bump-setup ships, et al. If you want to cling so tightly to your precious bit of the EULA, you might want to consider what other ramifications your narrowminded interpretation of it would bring.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:43:00 - [769] Edited by: Ctharth on 17/02/2007 08:40:27 Yes. but if something is documented in the form of a dev explaining how it should work or a general information about it. no one really knows how it is supossed to work. And if no one knows how it is supposed to work it cant be classified as an exploit. All you are doing are guessing on game mechanichs. Show me the dev post or CCP site that clearly stes how it should work. and then you have documented it. Until then it is your opinion. and in no way does the eula say if the general public opinion considder it an exploit it will be considdered one. I aggree that if CCP decides to go out and state that this is an exploit then it will from now on be an exploit. But to my knowledge: there are no documentation on the acussations of an exploit in the form of official messages stating how the agression timer should work therefore there is no exploit. If it isnt documented. it hasnt happened. if it hasnt happened grab a bisquit and wipe your eyes.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:43:00 - [770] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: putukas Read what you are saying!!! Friendly fire is exploit and against EULA Aggro timer from aggro is exploit and against EULA Are you realy so retarded??? No i'm saying that a friendly fire should not cause an agression timer YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THAT OPINION But CCP CLEARLY think otherwise! SO IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. Jesus ******* christ you are so dense.

Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:43:00 - [771] Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:44:00 - [772] Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu Keep reading it then, CCP is who determines what an exploit is, not whether or not its possible in game. I redirect you to my post here. Anyone with any common sense can see what constitutes an exploit. CCP does and they have yet to address this scenario. However using how they've addressed other possible yet dirty scenarios, its a very safe assumption that this is an exploit. Why?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:44:00 - [773] Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:46:00 - [774] Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Do you think that, really? Because if thats true, I'll email you a list of all the npcers, cowardly combat pilots, and inept wartargets that I have killed over the years who logged off with an aggro timer and didn't know it. You're a fool if you seriously belive that every time someone is killed while they are logged off is an exploit.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:46:00 - [775] Originally by: Gallente Caliente Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Think being the main word here.. its all guesses show me documentation and stop whining. So far no proof of it being an exploit has been posted only personal opinions!
Nessa Aldeen Baltic StarFleet Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:47:00 - [776] Thats sneaky BOB..but that spy really did his job.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:48:00 - [777] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware. How do you see a damage log when you've hit the escape button and are about to hit quit? And IN THIS SCENARIO there's no way a bob inty could've done it thanks to the POS he was parked at. As I said before CCP has the final say, however seeing how they have treated other circumstances (wreck shooting), this is obviously an abuse of a game mechanic. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Mortalitus Domino	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:50:00 - [778] Back on topic... D2, good luck replacing the Titan, whether it be reimbursed or rebuilt. May it bring you many more BoB kill mails in the future.
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:53:00 - [779] The point is that this is a dubious exloit of a gamemechanic intended for the purpous of punishing players for logging off in the middle of a fight to save their pod or ship. This was NOT the goddamned case with WOTANKINS Titan. Far from it! ..and THERE lies the goddamned exploit! Is it so goddamned hard to understand, you frackin morons?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:56:00 - [780] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek The point is that this is a dubious exloit of a gamemechanic intended for the purpous of punishing players for logging off in the middle of a fight to save their pod or ship. This was NOT the goddamned case with WOTANKINS Titan. Far from it! ..and THERE lies the goddamned exploit! Is it so goddamned hard to understand, you frackin morons? Aye, i'm trying to explain the noobcakes that it's exactly like that, but do they get it? nope Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:04:00 - [781] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek The point is that this is a dubious exloit of a gamemechanic intended for the purpous of punishing players for logging off in the middle of a fight to save their pod or ship. This was NOT the goddamned case with WOTANKINS Titan. Far from it! ..and THERE lies the goddamned exploit! Is it so goddamned hard to understand, you frackin morons? No, thats simply one of the effects. The intended purpose was to make people who have been agressed remain in space for 15minutes. Which is exactly what happens.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:04:00 - [782] Why do these threads always end in noobs babbling about pew pew while the pew pew is done by other people and the noobs have no clue what they are talking about or are generally talking out of their anus. The best part is that 90% of the people are so focused on thier own faction that they sound like complete lunatics without any objective thought in their hardly existant brains. It would really be refreshing if there was a forum section for people that are halfway smart and who can admire a smart plan even if it was done by the other side. No matter what you say, it was ***** brilliant and it was probably, if you go by the wording in the EULA, an exploit, although not a bannable one, because CCP usually does not ban people for figuring out something new that is not OBVIOUSLY an exploit and this is apparently not. ERGO -> either CCP reimburses it and by that calls it an exploit or CCP legalises this as within game mechanics by not calling it an exploit, all you lunatics are wrong by default, because you believe that there is only one truth! In any case do not expect a single BAN over this, because that would definitly be unfair. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur**
Alexxi Ljung Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:06:00 - [783] All you idiots screaming and whining , OMG BOB HAX CHEATS BOD H0H0h0 makes me puke . Bob used a spy who trigger the titan , he logged off and died . IS IN THE GAME MECHANICS , so they used the GAME MECHANICS to kill d2 beloved titan , they didnt use some kind of hack like you all want to believe , they are just simply better then the rest of you monkeys :) , get over with it :P
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:13:00 - [784] Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware. How do you see a damage log when you've hit the escape button and are about to hit quit? And IN THIS SCENARIO there's no way a bob inty could've done it thanks to the POS he was parked at. As I said before CCP has the final say, however seeing how they have treated other circumstances (wreck shooting), this is obviously an abuse of a game mechanic. How is that BoBs fault?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:14:00 - [785] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Zrevak Ashek The point is that this is a dubious exloit of a gamemechanic intended for the purpous of punishing players for logging off in the middle of a fight to save their pod or ship. This was NOT the goddamned case with WOTANKINS Titan. Far from it! ..and THERE lies the goddamned exploit! Is it so goddamned hard to understand, you frackin morons? No, thats simply one of the effects. The intended purpose was to make people who have been agressed remain in space for 15minutes. Which is exactly what happens. This is only your supposed interpretations of the wording. Nothing more! Being the BOB lover that you are, you will continue to twist anything in order to come out on top in this argument, and I predict Rightous Fury will follow you The exact same argument applies to everyone disagreeing such as you. The difference is what Righteous and I are saying is BACKED UP by what actually happens ingame!
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:15:00 - [786] Dam that sucks. Hope it was insured. I have a feeling this will be but the tip of the iceberg on dirty tactics. Just wow...
preturi	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:17:00 - [787] No , i think there are alot of ppl here hating bob nomatter what . people who think and they want to believe that bob hacks , cheats and use underhand tactics to get where they are now . On the other hand in this incident ther was a SPY ( allowed by CCP ) who used a smartbomb to trigger the pvp timer ( feature implemented by CCP ) on the D2 titan . Is not bob nor CCP fault that the titan pilot didnt checked the logs before he logged out or becose he didnt paid attention at the damage message for the smartbomb . Those are facts so stop blaming CCP, bob and the massons for the incident , your just making yourselfs look like fools , was a legitimate kill and d2 wont get their erebus back from CCP
Alexxi Ljung Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:18:00 - [788] No , i think there are alot of ppl here hating bob nomatter what . people who think and they want to believe that bob hacks , cheats and use underhand tactics to get where they are now . On the other hand in this incident ther was a SPY ( allowed by CCP ) who used a smartbomb to trigger the pvp timer ( feature implemented by CCP ) on the D2 titan . Is not bob nor CCP fault that the titan pilot didnt checked the logs before he logged out or becose he didnt paid attention at the damage message for the smartbomb . Those are facts so stop blaming CCP, bob and the massons for the incident , your just making yourselfs look like fools , was a legitimate kill and d2 wont get their erebus back from CCP
Zylatis AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:18:00 - [789] s'ok, d2 has like 10 more.
Alexxi Ljung Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:19:00 - [790] Yea and i have soo soo many vaga bpos laying on my hangars :)

Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:20:00 - [791] Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 09:19:10 Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 09:17:38 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Zrevak Ashek The point is that this is a dubious exloit of a gamemechanic intended for the purpous of punishing players for logging off in the middle of a fight to save their pod or ship. This was NOT the goddamned case with WOTANKINS Titan. Far from it! ..and THERE lies the goddamned exploit! Is it so goddamned hard to understand, you frackin morons? No, thats simply one of the effects. The intended purpose was to make people who have been agressed remain in space for 15minutes. Which is exactly what happens. This is only your supposed interpretations of the wording. Nothing more! Being the BOB lover that you are, you will continue to twist anything in order to come out on top in this argument, and I predict Rightous Fury will follow you The exact same argument applies to everyone disagreeing such as you. The difference is what Righteous and I are saying is BACKED UP by what actually happens ingame! SirMolle ?? Keep thumping your chest, it's working so far.... :) When you absolutly NEED to know...
Goldis	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:22:00 - [792] I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. Unless, of course, the titan pilot was having a heart attack or something. Things like these inevitably happen in any game, sometimes its lag, sometimes minor bugs or "exploits",sometimes its just stupidity, like going afk. The truth remains, tho, that actively pursuing flaws like these to abuse, reduces the quality of the game. Not much different than jumping up and down screaming "I won!" after your opponent in chess accidentally knocks his king over. Anyway I just started playing 2 weeks ago, feel free to ignore my ramblings.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:23:00 - [793] Originally by: Krystian Dam that sucks. Hope it was insured. I have a feeling this will be but the tip of the iceberg on dirty tactics. Just wow... Insuring a titan would be difficult, as they dont fit in stations
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:24:00 - [794] Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. Exactly, their birth was RP news.. Their death is not... When you absolutly NEED to know...
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:26:00 - [795] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek This is only your supposed interpretations of the wording. Nothing more! Being the BOB lover that you are, you will continue to twist anything in order to come out on top in this argument, and I predict Rightous Fury will follow you And on the other side all bob haters will do the same. Listen to dekiri he put it much more smoothly than I. But I have to say he also interprets it as an exploit. which is again personal interpratation of how the game should work. What really would be nice was a documented statement!!! (I have seen none of these as of yet(and normally the acusers bear the burden of proof and the accused is innocent until proven guilty but that is offcourse only if you want a fair game :))) None has been seen as of yet. and before itended mechaninchs are documented it is all a question about interpretation. and interpratation of the eula and personal feeling about how it should be are worth b...kiss- It all comes down to: if there indeed is documented statements saying that it is not intended this way- its an exploit. if not. it is not an exploit. It can be made one for sure yeah. but since it hasnt been documented yet this is of now not an exploit and bob/ spy whoever cant be banned or whatever.(and titan wont be reimbursed)personal feelings are not and newer will be a source of documentation! I¦m sure that someone that accidently killed a boy in a car accident wont get put into the great sleep just because the parrents of that boy hates the man and considders it a murder. iF or when this gets clearly defined an exploit ppl doing this will sufffer the consequences. But not before. Until then.. its just part of the game.... oh yeah the game!!! and if you dont like the game just log into RL and grind some xp there.
Mestoth Minmatar Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:49:00 - [796] Ignoring any other part of this thread: Using a SPY to find out where a titan is or where it is being built is LEGIT. Sending a fleet to destroy the POS manufacturing it is LEGIT. Oh and before you whine about LAGSPLOITZ; Most of our fleet spent the time on Loading screens just like you...infact you guys defending had the advantage as the POS shield recharged whilst the server was going screwy! Nuff said. Not going to comment on the D2 loss as i dont know the full story, rumor specucation is stupid.
zwiss StateCorp	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:54:00 - [797] I think this is only about the second time I've ever been compelled to post on the forums in the last three years. If this really is how it went down then it's an obscene abuse of game mechanics. As clever as the plan is, I would feel pretty lame killing anything like this, especially given how Cyvvok's Titan was lost. Is relying on the PvP timer going to become the accepted manner of killing titans? Can we really say that we're okay with the most inspiring constructs within the game being destroyed thanks to people having to go AFK? Fight actual battles, and do so within the spirt of the game. To do anything else is wasting everyone's time.
Erika Hulme 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:55:00 - [798] The kill looks well within the game mechanics, I can't see why we have 20+ pages of useless whining. Any half decent low sec pirate knows that a safespot-ed and logged off freighter traveling with a webbing corpmate to speedup the warp can be easily probed down and killed due to friendly fire aggression time from the web. And this is just a common knowledge example.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:01:00 - [799] Originally by: Erika Hulme The kill looks well within the game mechanics, I can't see why we have 20+ pages of useless whining. Any half decent low sec pirate knows that a safespot-ed and logged off freighter traveling with a webbing corpmate to speedup the warp can be easily probed down and killed due to friendly fire aggression time from the web. And this is just a common knowledge example. Are smartbombs meant to damage stuff inside a POS bubble? If not it was obviously not a legit kill (if the titan was inside which is a bit of a problem with it's size). Otherwise it's well within the game mechanics, but it's also BoB sinking to a new low. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:02:00 - [800] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Erika Hulme The kill looks well within the game mechanics, I can't see why we have 20+ pages of useless whining. Any half decent low sec pirate knows that a safespot-ed and logged off freighter traveling with a webbing corpmate to speedup the warp can be easily probed down and killed due to friendly fire aggression time from the web. And this is just a common knowledge example. Are smartbombs meant to damage stuff inside a POS bubble? If not it was obviously not a legit kill (if the titan was inside which is a bit of a problem with it's size). Otherwise it's well within the game mechanics, but it's also BoB sinking to a new low. screenshots shows it was outside of the shield

christoforos Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:05:00 - [801] Originally by: Erika Hulme The kill looks well within the game mechanics, I can't see why we have 20+ pages of useless whining. Any half decent low sec pirate knows that a safespot-ed and logged off freighter traveling with a webbing corpmate to speedup the warp can be easily probed down and killed due to friendly fire aggression time from the web. And this is just a common knowledge example. The huge difference is that the freighter pilot would have logged in a safe spot intentionally to save the freighter. The aggresion timer, was created to "punish" those that try to avoid combat by logging off, not to be used as a secret weapon against people who have taken precautions to be not involved in combat for more than 15 minutes, as it this case. Especially since the someone caused deliberately the aggression and it was not an accident. It's a borderline use of game mechanics. I would not be proud of it in any case and I believe it should be reimbursed. At least I hope CCP will implement at last some kind of aggresion indicator.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:07:00 - [802] Edited by: Aramendel on 17/02/2007 10:05:51 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware. - damage logs (and sounds & effects, which should include the smartbomb animation) are generally turned off for fleet battle situations because the lag they cause. Having them turns on is no realistic option there. If you have any clue what you are talking about you will know this very well - so either you are clueless or trolling. - It's not your job (or right) to call it exploiting or not exploiting but CCPs Originally by: Ctharth screenshots shows it was outside of the shield The only screenshot I have seen with the dread outside the pos is with a cov ops which has a smartbomb on cooldown. I so far do not have seen any picture which shows the smartbomb actually damaging the dread.
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:11:00 - [803] Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 10:10:20 Edited by: Swift Wind on 17/02/2007 10:08:20 Originally by: Erika Hulme The kill looks well within the game mechanics Is ensuring your target is unaware of an aggro timer for the purpose of immobilizing their vessel within the game CONCEPT? Do you really think it was the intent of the timer? What module do you use to prevent this? When you absolutly NEED to know...
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:12:00 - [804] Edited by: Local pusher on 17/02/2007 10:11:28 Originally by: christoforos It's a borderline use of game mechanics. I would not be proud of it in any case and I believe it should be reimbursed. At least I hope CCP will implement at last some kind of aggresion indicator. It's borderline, but very well within game mechanic rules. Which are very well known and bobits just used them in their favour. Is webbing freighters so they can warp away faster, intended? Or should every alliane get all their freighter pilots banzored because they used game mechanics feature/flaw/unintended side effect to their favour? Honestly, I'd be very very proud of such kill. Well tought, well planed and flawless execution.
Matrix Aran Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:16:00 - [805] Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. Unless, of course, the titan pilot was having a heart attack or something. Things like these inevitably happen in any game, sometimes its lag, sometimes minor bugs or "exploits",sometimes its just stupidity, like going afk. The truth remains, tho, that actively pursuing flaws like these to abuse, reduces the quality of the game. Not much different than jumping up and down screaming "I won!" after your opponent in chess accidentally knocks his king over. Anyway I just started playing 2 weeks ago, feel free to ignore my ramblings. Actualy CCP Started dropping the RP part from MMORP a while back in thier press material. Nowadays it's usualy refered to as an MMO without the Rp implication. CCP still support RP to a degree but i think they realise the fact that its rather sparce. ----
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:44:00 - [806] Originally by: Matrix Aran Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. Unless, of course, the titan pilot was having a heart attack or something. Things like these inevitably happen in any game, sometimes its lag, sometimes minor bugs or "exploits",sometimes its just stupidity, like going afk. The truth remains, tho, that actively pursuing flaws like these to abuse, reduces the quality of the game. Not much different than jumping up and down screaming "I won!" after your opponent in chess accidentally knocks his king over. Anyway I just started playing 2 weeks ago, feel free to ignore my ramblings. Actualy CCP Started dropping the RP part from MMORP a while back in thier press material. Nowadays it's usualy refered to as an MMO without the Rp implication. CCP still support RP to a degree but i think they realise the fact that its rather sparce. If that is the case, why are they touting reasons for the White Wolf Merger as such a bonus to the Eve RP community? When you absolutly NEED to know...
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:45:00 - [807] Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 17/02/2007 10:05:51 Originally by: Ctharth screenshots shows it was outside of the shield The only screenshot I have seen with the dread outside the pos is with a cov ops which has a smartbomb on cooldown. I so far do not have seen any picture which shows the smartbomb actually damaging the dread. perhaps he had damage logs turned off, they're generally turned off for fleet ops ye know :P if you can see the titan outside the shield, and D2 claim it was shot through the shields using an exploit to start the aggro timer. combine the two and even if that SB didn't damage it; by d2s claims, something did (i have seen a log of the SB damaging the titan, but i don't expect you to believe me). congrats bob on yet another titan kill, using an extremely devious method :). for people to start saying that cyvoks loss was down to anything but his stupidity is forgetting the multitude of different reasons he gave for his not being online "i logged off" "i crashed" "i relogged briefly" "there was a powercut", d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo. does goonfleet get this much flaming for abusing the ctrl-q in bubbles? no. hence would bob have been flamed regardless of how they got this kill (just because they're bob)? yes. just accept it, they're better than you at this game. fear of your own inadequacy masked as anger is bad mmkay?
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:56:00 - [808] Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: Zrevak Ashek This is only your supposed interpretations of the wording. Nothing more! Being the BOB lover that you are, you will continue to twist anything in order to come out on top in this argument, and I predict Rightous Fury will follow you And on the other side all bob haters will do the same. Listen to dekiri he put it much more smoothly than I. But I have to say he also interprets it as an exploit. which is again personal interpratation of how the game should work. What really would be nice was a documented statement!!! (I have seen none of these as of yet(and normally the acusers bear the burden of proof and the accused is innocent until proven guilty but that is offcourse only if you want a fair game :))) None has been seen as of yet. and before itended mechaninchs are documented it is all a question about interpretation. and interpratation of the eula and personal feeling about how it should be are worth b...kiss- It all comes down to: if there indeed is documented statements saying that it is not intended this way- its an exploit. if not. it is not an exploit. It can be made one for sure yeah. but since it hasnt been documented yet this is of now not an exploit and bob/ spy whoever cant be banned or whatever.(and titan wont be reimbursed)personal feelings are not and newer will be a source of documentation! I¦m sure that someone that accidently killed a boy in a car accident wont get put into the great sleep just because the parrents of that boy hates the man and considders it a murder. iF or when this gets clearly defined an exploit ppl doing this will sufffer the consequences. But not before. Until then.. its just part of the game.... oh yeah the game!!! and if you dont like the game just log into RL and grind some xp there. I'd say 75% of this game hasn't been documented. Your interpretation of the situation is flawed. The steps that BoB took to assassinate the Titan is not in question. They deserve every bit of credit for the work they put into geting things 'into place.' Its no different than the GHSC event that shook EVE in the scale and depth it took. However, what is in question is how the final blow was struck. Every ounce of infiltration that leads up to this kill is, in my oppinion, made null and void by an exploitation in a game mechanic. Should the kill stand? Probably. Should it be the foundation of aggression warning for normal application exiting? Absolutely! If you can't kill someone that wants to exit the game legitimately within 2 minutes then you don't deserve the kill. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Minuz1 Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:58:00 - [809] Thank you for the details...feeling sorry for the pilot...not a situation I'd like personally. The Tech 2 Lottery is rigged, In my favor!
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:01:00 - [810] Originally by: Kaylana Syi If you can't kill someone that wants to exit the game legitimately within 2 minutes then you don't deserve the kill. addendum: When that players has is not logging for the sake of avoiding PvP when they have legitimatly been aggressed by non-friendly forces. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"

Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:03:00 - [811] Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:05:00 - [812] Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. As has been said over a dozen times, the game mechanics ARE INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR SHIP STAY IN SPACE FOR 15MINS AFTER AGGRESSION.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:08:00 - [813] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I'd say 75% of this game hasn't been documented. Your interpretation of the situation is flawed. The steps that BoB took to assassinate the Titan is not in question. They deserve every bit of credit for the work they put into geting things 'into place.' Its no different than the GHSC event that shook EVE in the scale and depth it took. However, what is in question is how the final blow was struck. Every ounce of infiltration that leads up to this kill is, in my oppinion, made null and void by an exploitation in a game mechanic. Should the kill stand? Probably. Should it be the foundation of aggression warning for normal application exiting? Absolutely! If you can't kill someone that wants to exit the game legitimately within 2 minutes then you don't deserve the kill. Well the code allowed it so some sort of alternate documentation is lying around. And stating that 75% of eve is not documented depends on your interpretation of documentation. Documentation in my world is every official post description agent info etc. given out. And in that sense things such as forum posts dev blog, known issues are documentation. and as soon as things get in these or arent working according to those its an exploit. But no such violation has to my knowledge taken place.. I am very flexible to give in because I dont really see this as the most honourable kill. but its very well within game mechanics. As soon as you direct me to item info, dev post, dev blog or anything remoptely connected to ccp I will be happy to classify it an exploit as well. But before ccp defines it as an not intended game mechaninc its simply is allowed. btw. agression warning before logout nice idea. Check logs before logout nice idea. drop out of gang warp to safe cloak and then log ot... maybe the rigth thing to do.
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:11:00 - [814] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. As has been said over a dozen times, the game mechanics ARE INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR SHIP STAY IN SPACE FOR 15MINS AFTER AGGRESSION. Yes, but are the game mechanics really supposed to leave the pilot in question without a clue? "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:12:00 - [815] Originally by: Aramendel - damage logs (and sounds & effects, which should include the smartbomb animation) are generally turned off for fleet battle situations because the lag they cause. Having them turns on is no realistic option there. If you have any clue what you are talking about you will know this very well - so either you are clueless or trolling. In the year 2007, I refuse to play a game with crap graphics and sound off. It's CCP's fault, not the player's... the game's gfx are not nearly that good to warrant the need to turn those things off. Anyway I'm sure the devs are all watching the forums and thinking wth is going on. I wouldn't be proud of this game atm... at all.
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:13:00 - [816] Edited by: August Personage on 17/02/2007 11:13:13 Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. thats a fair point. although imo, there is a line somewhere which defines an exploit, and this has not crossed it. everything performed as intended by CCP in the game, all the factors involved are as CCP intended, it is merely the intention of bob that differed from CCPs idea. i think its genius, but i can understand why people would think otherwise. (editted so it makes sense :S)
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:15:00 - [817] Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. As has been said over a dozen times, the game mechanics ARE INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR SHIP STAY IN SPACE FOR 15MINS AFTER AGGRESSION. Yes, but are the game mechanics really supposed to leave the pilot in question without a clue? If I play blindfolded then I wont know if I am agressed. Similarly If he plays without dmg notifications on HOW CAN HE EXPECT TO KNOW if he is aggressed or not. It would seem obvious to anyone with half a brain that if there is a concern people will agress you, then 15mins before you log you turn damage indicators back on, or at the very least glance at your log before quitting. ITS HIS FAULT.
Spaced Skunk D00M.	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:24:00 - [818] Originally by: Dekiri Thanks for saving CCP's face here and dismantling the dev hax stuff. USing passive targeters for this is a known exploit though and so you will have it reimbursed if CCP stick to their policies. That was unbeleivable dirty, and I also think it is an exploit. BoB should not get any praise for what they did in that instance, none at all tbh.
Boksering	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:27:00 - [819] this is me getting confused here. why use a Smartbomb and a pasive targeter. I thougth smartbombs did proximity dmg and therefore did not require lock.
karumba	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:27:00 - [820] this is just low. sorry. I hate spies, it is the magic 'easy buttton' part of the game sure, still a poor win. Fight the darn thing in battle and I say congrats, use something stupid like this and make me puke.

Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:28:00 - [821] It's a bit like scoring a goal while the goalkeeper is being treated on the sideline with an injury ; it's within the rules, but not exactly a paramount display of sportsmanship. The worse part is, it's quite representative of the style of play that EvE stands for nowadays. Ah well.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:30:00 - [822] Originally by: Edde Bebbi If I play blindfolded then I wont know if I am agressed. Similarly If he plays without dmg notifications on HOW CAN HE EXPECT TO KNOW if he is aggressed or not. It would seem obvious to anyone with half a brain that if there is a concern people will agress you, then 15mins before you log you turn damage indicators back on, or at the very least glance at your log before quitting. ITS HIS FAULT. It depends on the exact timing. If he announced on TS more or less exactly when he was logging off, he could have been hit while he was in the esc-menu to quit (if he was playing full-screen) or after he closed his client, but before the server registered it. That would have to be rather lucky timing though, so I guess there is only one person who knows.
Storm Child Amarr Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:32:00 - [823] Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:31:06 Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:29:10 Personally I don't think it's an exploit, but it's certainly a dirty tactic and I'm absolutley disgusted that this was a plot using yet another internal turncoat. It's hard to believe that people can sink to such a level in order to score a titan kill. Are BoB so weak that this is the only method they can think of to survive? The sooner BoB is defeated the better in my opinion. Hopefully this will strengthen the allies resolve to achieve this.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:36:00 - [824] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. As has been said over a dozen times, the game mechanics ARE INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR SHIP STAY IN SPACE FOR 15MINS AFTER AGGRESSION. No, the game mechanics are intended to stop players from logging to save their ships or pods while in combat ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:37:00 - [825] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi If I play blindfolded then I wont know if I am agressed. Similarly If he plays without dmg notifications on HOW CAN HE EXPECT TO KNOW if he is aggressed or not. It would seem obvious to anyone with half a brain that if there is a concern people will agress you, then 15mins before you log you turn damage indicators back on, or at the very least glance at your log before quitting. ITS HIS FAULT. It depends on the exact timing. If he announced on TS more or less exactly when he was logging off, he could have been hit while he was in the esc-menu to quit (if he was playing full-screen) or after he closed his client, but before the server registered it. That would have to be rather lucky timing though, so I guess there is only one person who knows. Even then, fortunate timing does not an exploit make.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:39:00 - [826] Originally by: Storm Child Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:31:06 Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:29:10 Personally I don't think it's an exploit, but it's certainly a dirty tactic and I'm absolutley disgusted that this was a plot using yet another internal turncoat. It's hard to believe that people can sink to such a level in order to score a titan kill. Are BoB so weak that this is the only method they can think of to survive? The sooner BoB is defeated the better in my opinion. Hopefully this will strengthen the allies resolve to achieve this. How did your allies in Goonswarm and RA find out about the LV 'titan' in construction?
Paltar Eternal Rising	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:39:00 - [827] Credit where credit is due and all. However the bottom line is all thats been proved is you can't kill a titan in a fight. only when its unable to defend itself/off line. Fair enough Cyvok's was a mistake, and well capitalized on.. the fact that you chose to engineer a situation to do it again shows you up... if anyone was gonna bring down a titan face to face, tet a tet I'd have bet money on BoB. Once you bring one down in a stand up slug fest you can brag... until then your just another kid who googled the cheat codes cos the EvE difficulty setting was too high. http://eternalrising.net
Liabrath Gallente Argent Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:40:00 - [828] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi If I play blindfolded then I wont know if I am agressed. Similarly If he plays without dmg notifications on HOW CAN HE EXPECT TO KNOW if he is aggressed or not. It would seem obvious to anyone with half a brain that if there is a concern people will agress you, then 15mins before you log you turn damage indicators back on, or at the very least glance at your log before quitting. ITS HIS FAULT. It depends on the exact timing. If he announced on TS more or less exactly when he was logging off, he could have been hit while he was in the esc-menu to quit (if he was playing full-screen) or after he closed his client, but before the server registered it. That would have to be rather lucky timing though, so I guess there is only one person who knows. Then he deserved to die, don't be stupid, D2 got stupid and bob took advantage of the stupidity. Carelessness on your part cant be blamed on the other person, but only on you. (no directed at your shirei but the titan pilot) It's good for d2, it will teach them a lesson, they needed a lesson here. === === === === === If I win an auction, please send me a contract link by EvE mail.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:40:00 - [829] Hehe well another interesting question came up here. Sportsmanship... Well sportsmanship are good in game eve is a game and hence sportmanship is good in eve. But looking at modern society wars are no longer about sportmanship. You stick to the geneve convention.. well mostly at least. and then you try to send in covert soldiers to take out strategic targets when they least expect it. There are wars in eve. And if you focus on the war part well what goes RL goes eve. so if wars are part of eve. whyshouldnt war tactics be part of eve?
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:40:00 - [830] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Even then, fortunate timing does not an exploit make. Depends on what your definition of an exploit is. It is certainly abusing the aggro timer for something it was not intended for.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:41:00 - [831] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: August Personage d2 have also stated their pilot logged off, no h4xsploitz here guys. bob used a tactic within the game mechanics, REGARDLESS of whether that was the intended use of said mechanic it is not an exploit imo Read up on the very definition of "exploit". Hint: It has something to do with using a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to be used to gain un unfair advantage. As has been said over a dozen times, the game mechanics ARE INTENDED TO MAKE YOUR SHIP STAY IN SPACE FOR 15MINS AFTER AGGRESSION. No, the game mechanics are intended to stop players from logging to save their ships or pods while in combat No, thats just how your interpreting it now your allies titan has died. Freighters stay hostile aggroed when webbed into warp, this is the same.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:41:00 - [832] Originally by: Ctharth Edited by: Ctharth on 17/02/2007 11:36:56 Hehe well another interesting question came up here. Sportsmanship... Well sportsmanship are good in game eve is a game and hence sportmanship is good in eve. But looking at modern society wars are no longer about sportmanship. You stick to the geneve convention.. well mostly at least. and then you try to send in covert soldiers to take out strategic targets when they least expect it. There are wars in eve. And if you focus on the war part well what goes RL goes eve. so if wars are part of eve. whyshouldnt war tactics be part of eve? I do in no way think its honourable or anything... but its efective. Its a ***** game. What is so hard to understand about wanting a little sportmanship in a ***** game? -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:42:00 - [833] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Edde Bebbi Even then, fortunate timing does not an exploit make. Depends on what your definition of an exploit is. It is certainly abusing the aggro timer for something it was not intended for. Can mining, Instajumps, Freighter Webbing, Carrier Hauling blah blah blah
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:43:00 - [834] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Ctharth Edited by: Ctharth on 17/02/2007 11:36:56 Hehe well another interesting question came up here. Sportsmanship... Well sportsmanship are good in game eve is a game and hence sportmanship is good in eve. But looking at modern society wars are no longer about sportmanship. You stick to the geneve convention.. well mostly at least. and then you try to send in covert soldiers to take out strategic targets when they least expect it. There are wars in eve. And if you focus on the war part well what goes RL goes eve. so if wars are part of eve. whyshouldnt war tactics be part of eve? I do in no way think its honourable or anything... but its efective. Its a ***** game. What is so hard to understand about wanting a little sportmanship in a ***** game? Why so upset.. I said it was a game... and therefore some would make think of sportsmanship(which I am totally supporting) but other see this as a game with wars and war tactics in it... So chill down its a game..
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:45:00 - [835] Edited by: Goumindong on 17/02/2007 11:48:49 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Storm Child Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:31:06 Edited by: Storm Child on 17/02/2007 11:29:10 Personally I don't think it's an exploit, but it's certainly a dirty tactic and I'm absolutley disgusted that this was a plot using yet another internal turncoat. It's hard to believe that people can sink to such a level in order to score a titan kill. Are BoB so weak that this is the only method they can think of to survive? The sooner BoB is defeated the better in my opinion. Hopefully this will strengthen the allies resolve to achieve this. How did your allies in Goonswarm and RA find out about the LV 'titan' in construction? Irrelevent. The issue at hand is not how the titan was found out or the legitimacy of the spy. The issue is the specific tactic that the spy used in order to aggress the Titan, and whether that is considered exploiting the game mechanics to give an adversary an unfair disadvantage or giving yourself and unfair advantages. The question comes up becuase the supposed intent of the aggression timer is to stop people from logging in combat in order to save their ships or pods. The titan was not in combat, expecting to be in combat, or anywhere near having taken aggressive action or having aggressive action taken against it. [Edit: Nor was the titan in a position where it could be reasonbly expect to be attacked, such as when hauling anything in a frieghter anywhere] The issue is whether the aggress was legitimate use of game mechanics or not, not whether or not the spy was legitimate. This question will be solved by GMs and there isnt much else to worry about. [edit for clearer information] ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:49:00 - [836] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 11:48:49 It's actually fun to see that whatever we are saying and showing from the EULA, Edde Bebbi are still defending Band Of Cheaters, whatever we say. Lets just petition this ass for beeing an idiot that only trolls and whine + are defending BoC when the EULA clearly shows that Edde Bebbi is wrong in all ways. He's only here to make peoples angry. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:56:00 - [837] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 11:48:49 It's actually fun to see that whatever we are saying and showing from the EULA, Edde Bebbi are still defending Band Of Cheaters, whatever we say. Lets just petition this ass for beeing an idiot that only trolls and whine + are defending BoC when the EULA clearly shows that Edde Bebbi is wrong in all ways. He's only here to make peoples angry. I would honestly have said exactly the same thing about you. Lost any faction NPCing ships recently?
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:57:00 - [838] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 11:48:49 It's actually fun to see that whatever we are saying and showing from the EULA, Edde Bebbi are still defending Band Of Cheaters, whatever we say. Lets just petition this ass for beeing an idiot that only trolls and whine + are defending BoC when the EULA clearly shows that Edde Bebbi is wrong in all ways. He's only here to make peoples angry. EULA refers to the general rules in order to make use of it game mechanics should be used in a way it was not intended. since there not yet has been one prrof that this was not intended the paragraphs in the EULA doesnt mean a thing. The moment a gm or dev says otherwise the eula comes into play
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:59:00 - [839] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 12:02:48 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 11:48:49 It's actually fun to see that whatever we are saying and showing from the EULA, Edde Bebbi are still defending Band Of Cheaters, whatever we say. Lets just petition this ass for beeing an idiot that only trolls and whine + are defending BoC when the EULA clearly shows that Edde Bebbi is wrong in all ways. He's only here to make peoples angry. I would honestly have said exactly the same thing about you. Lost any faction NPCing ships recently? It's like 1 year ago since i lost a faction ship, and if you really had been so updated and good in this game, you should have been knowing that loooooong time ago. A LOT, and i mean a TAD LOAD of players know my name for that. But do i care about it? no Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Naabata Bureau of Sabotage	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:01:00 - [840] Ok so we are learning the big Vulnerablity of the TiTan is when they log off. So a Detailed shut down check list should be followed or a fleet will fast blob and kill it quick no matter what. Actually the last part of the check list should be check Aggression time after having damage information turned ON 20-30 minutes BEFORE you log off. Justice belongs to those who claim it, but let the claimant beware lest he create new injustice by his claim and thus set the bloody pendulum of revenge into its inexorable motion. [u]Frank Herbert[/

Vasili Z Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:06:00 - [841] Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Aramendel - damage logs (and sounds & effects, which should include the smartbomb animation) are generally turned off for fleet battle situations because the lag they cause. Having them turns on is no realistic option there. If you have any clue what you are talking about you will know this very well - so either you are clueless or trolling. In the year 2007, I refuse to play a game with crap graphics and sound off. It's CCP's fault, not the player's... the game's gfx are not nearly that good to warrant the need to turn those things off. Anyway I'm sure the devs are all watching the forums and thinking wth is going on. I wouldn't be proud of this game atm... at all. hahahaha, I just realized this is the only game I play without sound, classic. ------- I smoke pot, because I'm cool.
Daon Khan Minmatar Handsome Boy Modeling School	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:10:00 - [842] I don't know what world some people are living in, but wake up and grow up. To the allegations made that what BOB did was dirty or dishonorable, all I have to say is to brush up on your history and war (or for the illiterate, just watch the Dirty Dozen or any other sabotage/spy movie). Using spies in war is totally acceptable and smart, moreover it's efficient and saves lives or in this case ISK and time. Have you ever been in a fight? You mean to tell me that if you were up against a big guy that "everyone" is saying can't be killed and you kick him in the nuts, while he's not looking right at you, and use that advantage to win and save yourself a pummeling that it's dishonorable or dirty? Please wake up... go pick a fight and box anyone and you'll walk away a "winner", maybe, and still have bumps and bruises. BTW what's honorable about any fight? Really? Two egos bumping heads instead of sharing space... Is EVE supposed to be about mining peacefully and everyone building Cap ships to haul and fit mining lasers and live in **** dorey land? Get over it. This is EVE and we all like it cus its hardcore and dirty and not fair and we all love to play so guess what? Get your own spies or ask Goonswarm or Red to do it (the current flavor fo the month good guys who you all loved to hate a few weeks ago). I'm willing to bet my herb and pipe that if Goonies had been smart enough to think this up and pull this off all you anti-BoBettes would be stroking Remedials e-peen and drooling on it. EVE is Darwin's Contraption and it's survival of the fittest so if you want to beat big bad BoB adapt evolve and when you come to your senses, thank BoB for teaching you a little something about what it takes to win and survive in EVE oh and also for giving all you wannabe heros a big bad wolf to go pile up on (except this isn't WoW and BoB is alot smarter than the mobs you fools are use to humping in Blackrock Spire). There is no honor in war, it's about survival. You brought the war to their doorstep so take it like men and fight instead of whine and * exploit and CCP sucks and blah blah wah wah. Aight rant off. Go watch a James Bond movie and * and whine about how dishonorable he is and guess what? He gets the fine women and the dry martinis and you *** and whine on forums. PS not a BoB fanboi just an EVE fanboi and I love how there's better ways to skin a cat than knowingly warping node crashing amounts of ships into a system hoping your numbers alone and not your enginuity will win the day... BTW, props to D2 for disclosing this and being sports about it and BoB for once again proving that its not about just raising the bar... there is no bar.
Dragutinovic Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:13:00 - [843] Originally by: WOTANKN thanks overon for translat or so **** happens spys 4tw snip please do not post GM correspondence on the forums. Thanks. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) May the loss heat youre will even more to kill BoB Gl m8 and sorry for yer loss . _____________ Im back !
Klaus Stoertebeker Riders of Rohan	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:16:00 - [844] Originally by: Vasili Z Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Aramendel - damage logs (and sounds & effects, which should include the smartbomb animation) are generally turned off for fleet battle situations because the lag they cause. Having them turns on is no realistic option there. If you have any clue what you are talking about you will know this very well - so either you are clueless or trolling. In the year 2007, I refuse to play a game with crap graphics and sound off. It's CCP's fault, not the player's... the game's gfx are not nearly that good to warrant the need to turn those things off. Anyway I'm sure the devs are all watching the forums and thinking wth is going on. I wouldn't be proud of this game atm... at all. hahahaha, I just realized this is the only game I play without sound, classic. yeah...a game that recieves prices for its nice grafix etc, but the poeple are forced to deactivate all those effects and sound and so on to be able to play with A BIT LESS lag...or even to be able to play at all. (and ebbe-trolli, dont start to argue with slow computers or any other bull**** that might come into your sick mind...using a dual core machine with 4gig ram and a geforce 8 should be enough to play a 4-years old game...but well, seems like it isnt...or its just not the pc that causes the problems...)
News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:25:00 - [845] Originally by: NightmareX 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Well it doesn't say anything exactly about the agression timer, but the way D2 lost their Titan is after what's written under "12.1 What is an exploit?" an exploit. 15 minute agro timer is game mechanics. I think we can all agree on that. The purpose of this particular mechanic is to keep ships in space for 15 minutes if they log off with aggro. So far nothing new. Explain to me how what BoB did is an unfair advantage though? Is it because D2 didn't consider the possibility? One side being smarter than the other is indeed an advantage, but I'd hardly call it unfair. The only way this could be seen as an unfair advantage, would be if D2 didn't have the exact same option. D2 could use this exact same tactic on BoB's titan. Both BoB and D2 have the option to view their logs and see when the last act of agression against their titans was performed. Regardless of moral views (lame, cheap, brilliant, intelligent, etc), the only thing that matters is if BoB did something that D2 couldn't. The same mechanics that got BoB this kill could be employed by D2. The same countermeasures can be taken by both of them. There's no unfair advantage gained by using the game mechanics. Unless you want to argue that having a brain and using it is giving people an unfair advantage, there's no exploit here. You may find it disgusting, but don't call it an exploit. It's clearly not.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:27:00 - [846] Originally by: News Originally by: NightmareX 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Well it doesn't say anything exactly about the agression timer, but the way D2 lost their Titan is after what's written under "12.1 What is an exploit?" an exploit. 15 minute agro timer is game mechanics. I think we can all agree on that. The purpose of this particular mechanic is to keep ships in space for 15 minutes if they log off with aggro. So far nothing new. Explain to me how what BoB did is an unfair advantage though? Is it because D2 didn't consider the possibility? One side being smarter than the other is indeed an advantage, but I'd hardly call it unfair. The only way this could be seen as an unfair advantage, would be if D2 didn't have the exact same option. D2 could use this exact same tactic on BoB's titan. Both BoB and D2 have the option to view their logs and see when the last act of agression against their titans was performed. Regardless of moral views (lame, cheap, brilliant, intelligent, etc), the only thing that matters is if BoB did something that D2 couldn't. The same mechanics that got BoB this kill could be employed by D2. The same countermeasures can be taken by both of them. There's no unfair advantage gained by using the game mechanics. Unless you want to argue that having a brain and using it is giving people an unfair advantage, there's no exploit here. You may find it disgusting, but don't call it an exploit. It's clearly not. OMG, do i need to explain how it works to you to in like 7877897890008 languages before you understand the whole picture here? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
La Pounania Minmatar Majestic Knights	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:29:00 - [847] so bob lamed / cheated a kill, like they can fight fair he ______________________________________________________
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:29:00 - [848] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477671 ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2
Lord Loom Loom Service	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:29:00 - [849] Originally by: ElCoCo Anyway I'm sure the devs are all watching the forums and thinking wth is going on. I wouldn't be proud of this game atm... at all. QFT - if that's what the oh-so-great EVE endgame looks like (ie. when it's all about abusing broken game mechanics like node crashes, login queues and logoff timers), I'm not sure EVE deserves a mention among great PvP games anymore, not even remotely
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:31:00 - [850] No you have already demonstrated your complete lack of comprehension skills already. The aggro timer is to prevent people logging off while aggrod. Its not to prevent people from running from fights, thats just an effect. Anyway, the titan ran from the covert ops's smartbomb :P

News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:33:00 - [851] Originally by: NightmareX OMG, do i need to explain how it works to you to in like 7877897890008 languages before you understand the whole picture here? No, you just need to explain how game mechanics were used in such a way that D2 had no possible counter within the current game mechanics.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:35:00 - [852] Originally by: Edde Bebbi No you have already demonstrated your complete lack of comprehension skills already. The aggro timer is to prevent people logging off while aggrod. Its not to prevent people from running from fights, thats just an effect. Anyway, the titan ran from the covert ops's smartbomb :P And you still don't get it Now go and kiss / lick BoC even more so you can get a chance to join BoC, because of you uber skills and experience in this game Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:43:00 - [853] My thought is this: We have had several patches since the first titan went down and the aggro timer issue was brought up. Why has CCP not given us an aggro timer in 0.0. Originaly it was argued that in 0.0 its not important being aggroed is of no consequence. Correct me if I am wrong but isnt a multi billion asset loss due to faulty game mechanics tat would be an easy fix of consequence. Now as to whether or not the spy used a known exploit to aggress the titan, thats for CCP to decide...(three guesses as to how they rule...and the first two dont count).
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:43:00 - [854] My thought is this: We have had several patches since the first titan went down and the aggro timer issue was brought up. Why has CCP not given us an aggro timer in 0.0. Originaly it was argued that in 0.0 its not important being aggroed is of no consequence. Correct me if I am wrong but isnt a multi billion asset loss due to faulty game mechanics tat would be an easy fix of consequence. Now as to whether or not the spy used a known exploit to aggress the titan, thats for CCP to decide...(three guesses as to how they rule...and the first two dont count).
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:50:00 - [855] I am seeing EvE in a very different way now. People having to use these kind of tactics to kill something like a Titan. I remember the last public announcement on EvETV, where the players got told the devs wanted BIG and LONG LASTING battles. Exploit or not, wtf were BoB thinking? So cowardly and to even get a praise of a GM or dev (so I heard)..wtf? So yea if you scanned down a titan that was offline, you'd shoot it eh? Course you would. Personally though, getting someone to force the players aggression timer to be 15 minutes, knowing they just logged off and have no idea, to me that is an 'exploit', the pilot logged off knowing he was safe, I beleive they took precaution in doing so, as you would with such an asset. It made it worse by making it look like the pilot tried to log off to save his Titan. Putting spys in EvE is a worthy tactic, it happens is real life, so I am not calling BoB lame (just a bit :p), the tactic was after all genious, however manipulated the agression timer mechanics, to get an unfair advantage, as the Titan pilot was not technically playing EvE at the time.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:51:00 - [856] Edited by: Goumindong on 17/02/2007 12:49:14 Originally by: Edde Bebbi No you have already demonstrated your complete lack of comprehension skills already. The aggro timer is to prevent people logging off while aggrod. Its not to prevent people from running from fights, thats just an effect. Anyway, the titan ran from the covert ops's smartbomb :P You have cause and effect backwards. Purpose is a function of intelliegent design. Something that is not designed cannot have purpose. Purpose as well denotes intent and logical thought. The developers did not say "we want to prevent people from logging when aggrod" and then proceed to make a mechanic that would achieve that goal. We can assume this, because such a goal is, from a design standpoint, rediciulous. It would be like saying that you want a specific ship to have 4 weapons and so you gave it 342 dps. When the cause is clearly you wanted it to do 342 dps, and the effect is that it recieved 4 weapons because of it. Similarly here, the effect is that people are prevented form logging off while aggressed. And the intent is to stop people from running from fights. It is easist to see this by examining a conflict resolution. Problem: People are logging out to save their ships and pods when they should not be able to Solution: Make people who have given or recieved a hostile flagged action in the last 15 minutes stay in space for 15 minutes. Implementation: How it works on the server. Any deviation from problem to implementation will result in an EULA violation according to the plain text. Though there is specific language in there to limit liability when it is not know the action would cause a breach. The breach is caused by imperfect solutions to the problem of stoping people from logging and getting to their ship. Similarly we can look at POSs. Problem: Player Owned Stations need to be safe havens in space for them to operate. Solution: Create a space around the station that doesnt allow targeting Implementation: How it goes on TQ... whoops passive targeters. Now the breach happens due to imperfect coding that has allowed a bug to get through. In essesnce, they are the same thing, one is simply an oversight in implementation and one is an oversight in solution. What matters though is the intent. I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. edit: It could also be argued that the kill occured because of faulty implementation of the aggro timer, which would directly correlate to the passive targeter exploit in manner according to the EULA. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Goldstriker	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:53:00 - [857] Hmmm this topic is a flame fest again. This Titan kill was a good one, better then the one against ASCN. Eve try alliance use spies, GOONS turning of POS and some alliance also hac killboard...and that is not BOB. SO all players that perhaps are between 10 and 1 stop flame and look on your own alliance.....RA the king of exploits.....Tell the bees to swarm to crash the NOD so no one can log back in and then bring in the RA capital fleet.....that more cheat then a spy....But whatever.....BOB, LV are not perfect, but they are just as perfect as AAA, D2 and perhaps better then GOONS/RA.....whith exploits and fair play.
News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:57:00 - [858] Originally by: Goumindong I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. Except that there's nothing you can do against the passive targeter bug, while it's very easy to check your logs for the last time you were agressed.
Boksering	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:05:00 - [859] I and my noob ass still dont get it and didnt get an answer.. why is passive targeters and Smartombs both in the picture. Why would the cov ops need a passive targeter if it had a smartbomb?
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:08:00 - [860] Originally by: News Originally by: Goumindong I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. Except that there's nothing you can do against the passive targeter bug, while it's very easy to check your logs for the last time you were agressed. The aggression timer was put in place because of players who would log off to save their ship. If the initial D2 statement is true, then the aggression timer is being used to kill someone outside of regular gameplay. Just like logging off to avoid death is deplorable, I find using a spy to initiate the timer to kill a ship while logged off equally deplorable. The feature was meant to deter people from escaping combat by logging off. Now it is being used as a tool for killing titans. ----

Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:10:00 - [861] Edited by: Jarjar on 17/02/2007 13:07:10 Originally by: Boksering I and my noob ass still dont get it and didnt get an answer.. why is passive targeters and Smartombs both in the picture. Why would the cov ops need a passive targeter if it had a smartbomb? Link There's no passive targeter... Edit: Saladin, exactly what I think. "/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!" - Brisi
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:13:00 - [862] Originally by: News Originally by: Goumindong I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. Except that there's nothing you can do against the passive targeter bug, while it's very easy to check your logs for the last time you were agressed. Unless they aggress you right as you are logging off. But even then, that aggression breaks the chain presented, because it goes agaisnt the intent, and uses the mechanics to achieve an unintended result. Whether or not anything comes of any petition or what any final ruling is, that is the complete arguement. And it is internally and externally consistant. Im not trying to make the arguement that the titan should or will be reimbursed, simply correcting misconceptions about both sides of the arguement, which hinges, essentialy, on whether or not such a use is unintended, something that we cant, and only the folks in charge, can answer. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Minmatar Citizen 138031	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:18:00 - [863] Just like to point out a couple of things here for the colalition. - Goons hacked the game client to show standings in local before it was added to the game, which forced CCP to also add it to level the playing field. Dont say they was going to add it anyhow because you remember talk about removing local ? -AAA,RA,Russian devision of people since the start of the game ( aka RUS ) , early on the game RUS was banned from the game for duping in game items, mainly a million megacyte. AAA 30+ account banned for complex exploiting. -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) So you guys have nothing to scream about.
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:22:00 - [864] Edited by: Skeltek on 17/02/2007 13:19:11 Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 17/02/2007 12:49:14 Originally by: Edde Bebbi No you have already demonstrated your complete lack of comprehension skills already. The aggro timer is to prevent people logging off while aggrod. Its not to prevent people from running from fights, thats just an effect. Anyway, the titan ran from the covert ops's smartbomb :P You have cause and effect backwards. Purpose is a function of intelliegent design. Something that is not designed cannot have purpose. Purpose as well denotes intent and logical thought. The developers did not say "we want to prevent people from logging when aggrod" and then proceed to make a mechanic that would achieve that goal. We can assume this, because such a goal is, from a design standpoint, rediciulous. It would be like saying that you want a specific ship to have 4 weapons and so you gave it 342 dps. When the cause is clearly you wanted it to do 342 dps, and the effect is that it recieved 4 weapons because of it. Similarly here, the effect is that people are prevented form logging off while aggressed. And the intent is to stop people from running from fights. It is easist to see this by examining a conflict resolution. Problem: People are logging out to save their ships and pods when they should not be able to Solution: Make people who have given or recieved a hostile flagged action in the last 15 minutes stay in space for 15 minutes. Implementation: How it works on the server. Any deviation from problem to implementation will result in an EULA violation according to the plain text. Though there is specific language in there to limit liability when it is not know the action would cause a breach. The breach is caused by imperfect solutions to the problem of stoping people from logging and getting to their ship. Similarly we can look at POSs. Problem: Player Owned Stations need to be safe havens in space for them to operate. Solution: Create a space around the station that doesnt allow targeting Implementation: How it goes on TQ... whoops passive targeters. Now the breach happens due to imperfect coding that has allowed a bug to get through. In essesnce, they are the same thing, one is simply an oversight in implementation and one is an oversight in solution. What matters though is the intent. I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. edit: It could also be argued that the kill occured because of faulty implementation of the aggro timer, which would directly correlate to the passive targeter exploit in manner according to the EULA. Stunningly suprising how good you formulated exactly my thoughts up to the smallest detail. However what I wanted to add was that I feel sad not to see any BoB member flame about the technique with witch the titan got killed. I usualy blame D2 also on forums if I regard my alliance to have done something wrong. But even cosidering the legendary high activity of BoB members on the forums..., I never ever heard someone criticize something he deems wrong, if it was commited by his own alliance. Too bad it seems noone in our age is interested anymore in what is right or wrong. As long as it is not bound to their interest in any way, it will not touch their hearts any more... regards, Skeltek ps: just to formulate it more clear: Why aren¦t there D2 people talking pro-BoB? Why aren¦t any BoB members posting their opinion that they consider it lame/grief gameplay? Too much propaganda, too few real opinions I guess...
Dragutinovic Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:23:00 - [865] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 So you guys have nothing to scream about. Except they and at least certain peopel have been granted favorism others didnt for years . They got away with some severe stuff while on same time people for minor things got banned . Those certain peopel still have all rights granted at teh cost of people being griefed out of game and at the cost of a reputation . Sad really esp for those in BoB who werent involved and might get pointed for the rest of their EvE Career . _____________ Im back !
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:24:00 - [866] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 17/02/2007 13:21:23 Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 Just like to point out a couple of things here for the colalition. - Goons hacked the game client to show standings in local before it was added to the game, which forced CCP to also add it to level the playing field. Dont say they was going to add it anyhow because you remember talk about removing local ? -AAA,RA,Russian devision of people since the start of the game ( aka RUS ) , early on the game RUS was banned from the game for duping in game items, mainly a million megacyte. AAA 30+ account banned for complex exploiting. -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) So you guys have nothing to scream about. reality check!!1! i think it's not wrong to say that EVERY of the major powerblocks in 0.0 got their fair piece of stinking fish. and BoB is definitely NOT excluded from this (and according to recent events it seems BoB got quite a large chunk of the stinking fish). ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:26:00 - [867] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 Just like to point out a couple of things here for the colalition. - Goons hacked the game client to show standings in local before it was added to the game, which forced CCP to also add it to level the playing field. Dont say they was going to add it anyhow because you remember talk about removing local ? -AAA,RA,Russian devision of people since the start of the game ( aka RUS ) , early on the game RUS was banned from the game for duping in game items, mainly a million megacyte. AAA 30+ account banned for complex exploiting. -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) So you guys have nothing to scream about. Well. First you should join a dummy corp so you an post with your alt without it being deleted. But for the goons, the client hack was technically not editing game data, and CCP ruled it "ok". For the rest. True, however, that has little to do with the question at hand. Its a "Tu quoque" arguement, and a common logical fallacy. What anyone else has done is irrelvent to the question of whether or not its an EULA breach. Now, i think you are getting at is the question of whether or not BoB is "in the wrong" that can be fairly easily answered. You cannot exploit a bug that you do not know to be against the rules. Since BoB could not know developer intent on the matter they would not know whether or not such an action would be considered a legitimate use of game mechanics or not, they cant be held liable for any consequences. The titan might get re-imbursed, but no disciplinary measures could be taken. At least, not until such an action occured a second time when it was known to be an EULA breach. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
News Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:27:00 - [868] Originally by: Saladin Originally by: News Originally by: Goumindong I also brought up passive targets because earlier it was mentioned that "d2 can do this as well", and that is true, and it is true of all exploits, since exploiting is not limted to any single player or corporation they are bugs that can be abused by anyone. Especialy when public. The definition of "its fair because you can do it too" does not hold to either the EULA definition or common sense when dealing with other known exploits. Except that there's nothing you can do against the passive targeter bug, while it's very easy to check your logs for the last time you were agressed. The aggression timer was put in place because of players who would log off to save their ship. If the initial D2 statement is true, then the aggression timer is being used to kill someone outside of regular gameplay. Just like logging off to avoid death is deplorable, I find using a spy to initiate the timer to kill a ship while logged off equally deplorable. The feature was meant to deter people from escaping combat by logging off. Now it is being used as a tool for killing titans. Finding something deplorable does not mean it's an exploit though. Suicide ganking in Jita isn't an exploit. Corp theft isn't an exploit. Ore thieving isn't an exploit. All those have their counters, just as D2 had a counter to BoB's use of mechanics (by checking the log). And that's not all. Logging off in a warp bubble to avoid aggro isn't classed as an exploit, and there's no counter for that. I personally don't think what BoB did is deplorable, I think it's a testament to the freedom that EvE offers, and what you can do in it. That's just an opinion though, and everyone is free to hold their own opinion. On the other hand, defining if this an exploit can only be based on facts. And I haven't seen any fact that would class this as an exploit. Ultimately, the decision is up to the GM's (). The GM team has a long history of classing unintended use of game mechanics as an exploit only* if there's absolutely no counter to it. The simple fact of the matter is that D2 had all the tools they needed to prevent this from happening. Furthermore, you don't live in empire all your life and then suddenly find yourself in a Titan deep in 0.0. The pilot must have had a decent amount of experience. I don't know about you, but if I was flying a multi billion isk e-peen, I'd make damn sure to check my logs for possible aggression before I logged. (*) Please don't bring the 'GM's = BoB' arguement. Frankly, it's getting old, and it doesn't contribute anything constructive to a theoretical discussion.
Boksering	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:30:00 - [869] Originally by: Jarjar Edited by: Jarjar on 17/02/2007 13:07:10 Originally by: Boksering I and my noob ass still dont get it and didnt get an answer.. why is passive targeters and Smartombs both in the picture. Why would the cov ops need a passive targeter if it had a smartbomb? Link There's no passive targeter... Edit: Saladin, exactly what I think. Am I totally wrong if I wonder why ppl then are talking about passive targeter exploits... and isnt that the erebus outside of the POS shield?
Kronn Blackthorne 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:31:00 - [870] Edited by: Kronn Blackthorne on 17/02/2007 13:28:27 to me this is showing how perfect this roleplay game is : u can find all the bad things u ll find in RL war / spy / backside / traitor / scam / and so many other naughty stuff ( i won t even speak bout MGRL ) how can u say it s not a good PvP game . PvP doesn t mean Pleased Versus Pleased ... u may like or not like the way some people do their stuff .. fact is they managed to do what they wanted .... this is my opinion blah blah blah ... i say what i want .... i just hope D¦ won t give up ..cause i m expecting more drama in this war The Frenchy

Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:36:00 - [871] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) I have never heard of that issue and I doubt it exists in that form. What I might consider possible is, that the IPs from one of our forums were compared. If you see a spy in TS and happen to notice that he has the same IP like a guy that registered on your private forum, wouldn¦t you feel stupid for trying not to notice that fact? <.<
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:38:00 - [872] The titan could be still alive if the pilot hadn't **** up. So it's a fair kill. Human failure is... well... human. ** happens
Minmatar Citizen 138031	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:39:00 - [873] it wasn't your private forum it was www.eve-online.de, so somone who is admin on that website abused his position.
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:46:00 - [874] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 it wasn't your private forum it was www.eve-online.de, so somone who is admin on that website abused his position. It is a fansite, owned by a german player that made it for him and his community. http://www.eve-online.com/community/fansites.asp
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:46:00 - [875] Originally by: News snip Suicide ganking, corp theft, can theft, etc are all intended consequences and specifically allowed actions and specifically allowed by intent of the developers. They arent comparable to this untested question. Exploiting a bug would be ore theft without repurcussion because you do it in such a way as to avoid a crim flag. The crim flag being the mechanism in place to allow you to defend against theft. More comparable to when ore thieving didnt crim flag you. But the problem with that is that it was intended to not flag you. The oversight wasnt in the design of the implementation, it was in the intent. A better example would be nanobattleships. They are clearly not intended. Though not perfect, because fast battleships are intended, its just not "that fast" where there is a solid arguement that the actions taken by BoB werent intended at all. But yea, it will be up to the GMs/devs to decide the issue. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Ian Logalus 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:51:00 - [876] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers.
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:54:00 - [877] Edited by: Saladin on 17/02/2007 13:52:19 Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 - Goons hacked the game client to show standings in local before it was added to the game, which forced CCP to also add it to level the playing field. Dont say they was going to add it anyhow because you remember talk about removing local ? -AAA,RA,Russian devision of people since the start of the game ( aka RUS ) , early on the game RUS was banned from the game for duping in game items, mainly a million megacyte. Was this really a hack? or a hidden option in the prefs.ini? Quite a few of the options available in the graphics preferences now were not available always, and various players added the options to their prefs.ini. In my company we often have hidden options and environment variables that are designed to trigger features we plan on introducing in the future. So is what the goons did unlocking a hidden feature (like by setting an environment variable or adding a line to prefs.ini) or did they actually hack the hex/binary files? As for the duping, RUS did not have a monopoly on that. ----
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:55:00 - [878] Only managed to get to page 12 before I got the urge to say... Why the hell is Helina Malinos allowed to post? :\| Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.02.17 14:01:00 - [879] Originally by: Ian Logalus Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers. according to the german data protection act ip-adresses ARE personal information like the name, adress or phone numbers...
RedLion Caldari evenova	Posted - 2007.02.17 14:01:00 - [880] Hmmm, I don't like the way the titans goes down. But hell, I think ms/titans are far to powerfull so getting rid of some is probably good. I just hope that the big ships gets nerfed so that they can be taken down without having to "exploit" log off timer. I understand why BoB "legally exploited" this feature. I would have done it myself in a war. I just don't like the way that titan pilots are not able to log back on, and stuff. You have a ship in a space you should be able to get into system. There are many things I don't like about how EVE is going, and big ships is one of them.

Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 14:05:00 - [881] Originally by: Ian Logalus Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers. There was issue that the IPs were cross checked from an official CCP site. Checking for spies isnt metagaming, but if you abuse a third party site to gain info you shouldnt then its a bit more dicey since the characters in question should have had a measure of protection there. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:10:00 - [882] Edited by: pershphanie on 17/02/2007 15:07:48 Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. If this is true then logging off ever can not be justified in RP terms. I'm so tired of ppl applying logic only when convenient for them. If killing an aggro timered logged off ship is an exploit than logging off is an exploit. If spying on ts is an exploit then using ts at all is an exploit. If joining a corp with a spy is an exploit than joining a corp is an exploit. But none of those things really are exploits. It sucks when they happen to you. Theyve all happened to me. I know the feeling. But ffs ppl you cant have your cake and eat it too. You can't apply your logic to certain parts of the game and not others because its convenient for you. Thats BS. No one hacked the server. No dev triggered their aggro timer. no one dos attacked anyone. This was 100% legit and fair game. You ppl need to quit crying. This was one of the most diabolical ebil plans ever executed in the game. That's war for you. As long as you arent cheating the game then anything goes. Bravo to Digital Commie. This is up there with the adventures of GHSC. Very impressive.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:10:00 - [883] Originally by: Ian Logalus Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 138031 -D2, Used a fan site to match IP's to find spies on there team speak server. So they broke the law and they also heavily meta gamed. ( also the domain in question is owned by CCP, OMG DEVS ? ) Since when is checking for spies metagaming? Metagaming is geting advantage of things which you cannot control ingame like logintraps, ctrl-q on jumpin. Breaking the law by trying to match Ip adresses is not possible. It will be when you try to link it to personal information like adresses, names or phonenumbers. In the US, it is not illegal to use public information like addresses, names, and phonenumbers in conjunction with IP addresses in order to identify seemingly anonymous people on the internet. It's perfectly legal.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:16:00 - [884] Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 17/02/2007 15:07:48 Originally by: Goldis I think you have lost the point of the game. This is a massive online role playing game. Dying in this game while offline cannot be justified by using role playing terms. If this is true then logging off ever can not be justified in RP terms. I'm so tired of ppl applying logic only when convenient for them. If killing an aggro timered logged off ship is an exploit than logging off is an exploit. If spying on ts is an exploit then using ts at all is an exploit. If joining a corp with a spy is an exploit than joining a corp is an exploit. But none of those things really are exploits. It sucks when they happen to you. Theyve all happened to me. I know the feeling. But ffs ppl you cant have your cake and eat it too. You can't apply your logic to certain parts of the game and not others because its convenient for you. Thats BS. No one hacked the server. No dev triggered their aggro timer. no one dos attacked anyone. This was 100% legit and fair game. You ppl need to quit crying. This was one of the most diabolical ebil plans ever executed in the game. That's war for you. As long as you arent cheating the game then anything goes. Bravo to Digital Commie. This is up there with the adventures of GHSC. Very impressive. What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:22:00 - [885] Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:23:00 - [886] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it. What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:28:00 - [887] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? They got sabotaged by a covert attack. Everyone knows how sensitive aggro timers are. If I had a titan you couldnt pay me to log it off atm. I dont even log off my bs's/hacs in hostile space atm. I just cloak and afk it. What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? What are you a parrot? I'm not saying the aggro timer shouldnt be fixed asap. It's BS that you dont get a visible aggro timer in every situation. But dont pretend that you don't know how it works. When flying a capital ship you should leave gang and chill in a personal SS for 15minutes before even thinking about logging off.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:31:00 - [888] Originally by: pershphanie snip What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Aberash eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:31:00 - [889] Originally by: RedLion Hmmm, I don't like the way the titans goes down. But hell, I think ms/titans are far to powerfull so getting rid of some is probably good. I just hope that the big ships gets nerfed so that they can be taken down without having to "exploit" log off timer. I understand why BoB "legally exploited" this feature. I would have done it myself in a war. I just don't like the way that titan pilots are not able to log back on, and stuff. You have a ship in a space you should be able to get into system. There are many things I don't like about how EVE is going, and big ships is one of them. Yes but nowone else is lame or dirty enough to use these sploits, hence bob will never loose there motherships or titans.. the only thing that matters to BoB is winning, not having fun.. Sad
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:32:00 - [890] Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? None the pilot had RL matters to attend to (sadly people can't play 24/7). How the titan was targeted and fired upon was an exploit. The use of spys and similar such actions is rather underhanded and not something to be proud of nor congratulated. There has yet to be a titan to go down with a fight which makes me rather sad to be honest.

pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:43:00 - [891] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: pershphanie snip What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? What dont you understand about how the aggro timer works? You want me to say "none" so you can give me some big self righteous speech about "boohoo the aggro timer is haxed". Well guess what. If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of repeating yourself over and over making yourself sound like someone who got ran over by the special bus then you'd know that I agree that the aggro timer sucks. That doesnt change the fact you, me, D2, everyone in eve knows that the aggro timer as ****** as it might be, it still works the same for everyone. D2 could have done this to bob just as easy as it got done to them. But I'm guessing that BoB titan pilots wouldnt log off a titan without leaving gang and cloaking for at least 15 minutes. FFS I dont even do log out normal ships without doing that. But dont let me stop your wonderful forest gump impersonation. Keep repeating yourself retard.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:44:00 - [892] Originally by: DunNa Originally by: Goumindong What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? None the pilot had RL matters to attend to (sadly people can't play 24/7). How the titan was targeted and fired upon was an exploit. The use of spys and similar such actions is rather underhanded and not something to be proud of nor congratulated. There has yet to be a titan to go down with a fight which makes me rather sad to be honest. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. He was fired upon and thus agroed.....please read a whole thread before posting anything you dont have knowledge about It was not an exploit. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.

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Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:55:00 - [894] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: pershphanie snip What combat did the d2 titan log to avoid? What dont you understand about how the aggro timer works? You want me to say "none" so you can give me some big self righteous speech about "boohoo the aggro timer is haxed". Well guess what. If you bothered to read what I wrote instead of repeating yourself over and over making yourself sound like someone who got ran over by the special bus then you'd know that I agree that the aggro timer sucks. That doesnt change the fact you, me, D2, everyone in eve knows that the aggro timer as ****** as it might be, it still works the same for everyone. D2 could have done this to bob just as easy as it got done to them. But I'm guessing that BoB titan pilots wouldnt log off a titan without leaving gang and cloaking for at least 15 minutes. FFS I dont even do log out normal ships without doing that. But dont let me stop your wonderful forest gump impersonation. Keep repeating yourself retard. All exploits work the same for everyone. Doesnt make them not exploits. And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 16:01:00 - [895] Originally by: Goumindong All exploits work the same for everyone. Doesnt make them not exploits. And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit. It was not an exploit CCP, has allready made a statement about it......you keep pressing this issue, and whinning all over...you got outsmarted, to get even login to EVE kill BoB. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 16:08:00 - [896] Originally by: Goumindong And no, i wasnt going to say the aggro timer was hacked, but if you would care to read the last two pages, it might give you some insight into the reasons why such actions can be considered an exploit. So you do understand how they work then. As do D2. So then at this point arent you just crying because you dont get to decide how game mechanics work?
Boksering	Posted - 2007.02.17 16:15:00 - [897] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. about that smartbomb versus passive targeter thing.... I think I¦m starting to get it.. d2 made the thing about the shot and the passive targeter up because then it would be an exploit even though screenshot documents its a micro smart bomb..... ah whos the haxors now.
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:08:00 - [898] I think we need more tinfoil! ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Rimini Toranos	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:09:00 - [899] A couple of months ago I had lots of respect for BOB. A bunch of hardcore players that know their job. But now ... what can I say. LAME LAME
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:09:00 - [900] At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move" Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on. Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs? Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics? Why wernt you crying lame about the recent hacking on so many different servers? I'll tell you why; because when its done to BoB and allies it is considered genious, when its done by them its considered lame. Thats all there is to it. You Hate BoB.

Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:12:00 - [901] First I have to apologise. BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance. You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time. I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose. It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players. Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:14:00 - [902] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise. BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance. You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time. I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose. It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players. Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality.
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:22:00 - [903] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 17/02/2007 17:20:10 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise. BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance. You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time. I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose. It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players. Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality. They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse. Edit-This isn't reality, its a game
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:23:00 - [904] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise. BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance. You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time. I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose. It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players. Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality. They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse. surely you have to consider IP leaking from an official Eve- site worse, or hacking other organisations forums?
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:25:00 - [905] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise. BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance. You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time. I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose. It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players. Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality. They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse. surely you have to consider IP leaking from an official Eve- site worse, or hacking other organisations forums? Legally, yes. Morally its all the same.
Mss Alt Gallente The Alt Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:30:00 - [906] Originally by: Edde Bebbi At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move" Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on. Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs? Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics? Well ... unethical but ingame mechanics are ok with me (spys and other things like this) But using a spy to agrro a ship inside the forcefield (which btw is an exploit) that's about as lame as it goes.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:32:00 - [907] Originally by: Mss Alt Originally by: Edde Bebbi At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move" Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on. Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs? Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics? Well ... unethical but ingame mechanics are ok with me (spys and other things like this) But using a spy to agrro a ship inside the forcefield (which btw is an exploit) that's about as lame as it goes. omfg I cant believe people are still claiming this. D2 have ADMITTED it WASNT IN A FORCEFIELD. It was smarbombed OUTSIDE.
Mss Alt Gallente The Alt Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.17 17:34:00 - [908] I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to read the full thread. Anyway ... still quite lame imho.
Fuglife TOUAREGS	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:13:00 - [909] Wow, how low can you go? Which one of bobs devs came up with this plan?
Sheriff Badden Amarr Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:53:00 - [910] you can't make someone get out of the counterstrike mindset, so D2, you should play like evil bob does to win

Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:30:00 - [911] Big multi-alliances wars are more lame then a carebear running lv1 missions in 1.0 for 3 years. Dirty,exploits,metagaming,blobing. Can¦t understand what¦s the fun on this.
Divine Misconception	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:32:00 - [912] Originally by: Sheriff Badden you can't make someone get out of the counterstrike mindset, so D2, you should play like evil bob does to win EEEEEEEVIIILLLLLLLL They do btw -------------------------------- Coke Habit.
Sky KiorSun Minmatar Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:43:00 - [913] Its lame and pathetic what bob did, no doubt about that. The fact that these guys are hacking out of game other corps and alliances forums is even worse along with other peoples TS makes me think they need perhaps seeing shrinks. With this and the recent accusations of Dev help within Bob to get ahead in the game its just another step up the pathetic ladder. Shame, i used to enjoy playing Eve as a game cos that is all it is just a game, i guess some people dont just see it as that. For me logging on to something that allows Alliances, corps and its corp members to do such disshonest things in or out of game is pretty sad. You guys may scream "but this is what happens in rl" that maybe so, But this isnt rl and people are crossing those bounderies now by hacking or putting spies on others ts/forums along with trying to find every exploit possible within the game, corp theft, macro mining and selling isk on ebay is bad enough. im sorry am i ranting, but can anyone actually consider playing Eve honestly now as it should always have been? or is this just going to continue to escalate till nobody enjoys playing Eve anymore. I think im gonna go back to Battlefield for a while
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:12:00 - [914] Originally by: Sinister Death Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic. Heh one thing how is not being involved in combat for "3 hours" logging to avoid combat? I suppose that means last week when I was in an alliance at war I should never have logged off then?
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:17:00 - [915] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware. Except for a) the big red mark on his screen and overview and b) the bob inty getting wtfbbqpwnd by POS guns
jita alt1111111222222	Posted - 2007.02.18 02:26:00 - [916] THIS IS WESTWOOD. REMEMBER, SMOKING CIGARETTES AIN'T COOL. IT'S A BAD LOOK. AND YOU'RE GONNA DIE.
RedLion Caldari evenova	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:04:00 - [917] Edited by: RedLion on 18/02/2007 03:03:27 I don't get why people try to defend the lameness. Titans shouldn't be killed on logoffskitimers, atleast not when it's exploited this way. It's lame, but maybe i would have done it in war.. but you do alot of lame stuff in war. edit: I did mean exploit as it means, not that it's not allowed by CCP. The Gallenteans must be destroyed.
Stickey Crak Caldari Swedish Gimp Squad	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:12:00 - [918] WOW!! This is truly incredible. 30 pages of crying and moaning and 0 replies from BoB. now what does that tell you? P.S. Respect on the kill. Job well done hope to see few more.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:20:00 - [919] Originally by: Stickey Crak WOW!! This is truly incredible. 30 pages of crying and moaning and 0 replies from BoB. now what does that tell you? That BoB are posting with alts.
Stickey Crak Caldari Swedish Gimp Squad	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:22:00 - [920] made me ROFL.. hehe i suppose thats true. alot of MC posting here...

AngryCanuk TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:23:00 - [921] You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla? A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH And people are defending bob? thats kinda stupid
Shaala Caldari Singularity Services	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:05:00 - [922] Originally by: ElweSingollo Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Gallente Caliente Originally by: Edde Bebbi The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR. Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now? Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware. Except for a) the big red mark on his screen and overview and b) the bob inty getting wtfbbqpwnd by POS guns A big red mark from a cloaked vessel? I suggest you do not post anymore if all you can give is falsified truth. There was ZERO possibility of realizing being shot. That was also the lone purpose of using a micro smartbomb. The only intent was to make it impossible to see any decrease of shields or detect any attack by the titan pilot. ps: exploit is not a word limited to wrong coding. Game design flaws are also considered an exploit if used for what it wasn¦t meant to. POS forcefields for example, are supposed to suppress all forms of active targeting. Imho that is less an exploit than the issue here: it is totaly ok in terms of roleplay and reallifearguments that passive targeting would be able to lock anyway. It is more valid than using wrong gamemechanic design to flag a ship for having engaged in a battle when in reality it is not.
Hermes Massai Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:05:00 - [923] Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 18/02/2007 03:03:27 I don't get why people try to defend the lameness. Titans shouldn't be killed on logoffskitimers, atleast not when it's exploited this way. How should titans be killed then? Formal challenge to a duel? A glove across the face? An appointment? Or maybe in a glorious and bloody fleet battle! Be real, no one would truly risk a titan like that, and if they did, it would only be with 400+ other ships on their side. Then the enemy would need 400+ ships to stand a chance. And we all know what happens when you put 800+ ships (hell, less than that) on the same node, fighting... So as far as I'm concerned there are only 2 ways to kill a titan. Human error(D2) or technical malfunction(node crash - LV). In D2's case, the pilot made some pretty obvious errors. BoB were there to take advantage of that. No "hacksploits" involved, just pure game mechanics. Live and learn. Sure it was "dirty", but in case you haven't noticed, EVE is a "dirty" game. Drugs, piracy, wars, espionage, SABOTAGE, theft, political intrigue are all part of this on-line experience we call EVE. It what makes it EVE, and I wouldn't have it any other way. If you haven't the stomach for this, there's always Disney's Toontown Online. What IS lame, are these forums lately, the baseless acusations, the bile, the envy, the hate, the trolling, the flaming, the name calling, the hypocrisy, the finger pointing, all of which appear to become less and less RP and more OOC (maybe it's just me). Remember guys (and girls?), it's an exciting game, but still just a game.
FuzzBuzz Caldari Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:16:00 - [924] what is lame, is the direction this game is going.
Hermes Massai Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:22:00 - [925] Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla? A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH And people are defending bob? thats kinda stupid No, it's not worth a brand new car, because ISK shouldn't have any RL value, and selling ISK is against the EULA. So what are you suggesting, should we all stop buying and losing ships, and sell the ISK instead?
AngryCanuk TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:24:00 - [926] Originally by: Hermes Massai Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla? A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH And people are defending bob? thats kinda stupid No, it's not worth a brand new car, because ISK shouldn't have any RL value, and selling ISK is against the EULA. So what are you suggesting, should we all stop buying and losing ships, and sell the ISK instead? Just saying to put it into perspective of what was loss by a cheap trick to the game dynamics. And it might be against thte EULA, doesnt mean ppl dont do it
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:33:00 - [927] Edited by: Faith Black on 18/02/2007 04:30:29 Originally by: Sky KiorSun Its lame and pathetic what bob did, no doubt about that. The fact that these guys are hacking out of game other corps and alliances forums is even worse along with other peoples TS makes me think they need perhaps seeing shrinks. Think you mix something up. It was not BoB, who hacked forums, but it looks like someone has hacked BoB's forums. I write it 'looks like', because the one, how got the whole content from the BoB board inclusively all private messages said something like someone gave him a database dumps of BoB forum database willingly. ( But I doubt that he had an informant in BoB, who is also web admin and copied him the whole database. Those guys are rare and usually loyal. And then another one in Goonfleet, also willing to cooperate some months before ? ) ------ No.1 reason to post with an alt: Avoiding that your main looks too silly.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:36:00 - [928] Originally by: FuzzBuzz what is lame, is the direction this game is going. No, sadly it is already "there"... -- Might As well Train Another Race
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:39:00 - [929] Originally by: NightmareX The agression timer was implented to aviod peoples to log off WHILE in combat. And was the Titan in combat? nope It was smartbombed by the spy, so yes, it was in combat. What has happened to the cutthroat EVE where PvP isn't some honorable, consensual act? If this thread was about Shrike losing a titan, you know damn well you wouldn't be crying foul if it were the exact same tactics used. Can't people learn to check their bias at the door now and then? BoB's spy knew it was going to log,and knew that game mechanics do not allow a person recently involved in combat, consensual or not, to go poof when they ctrl+q. IT was not 'friendly fire'. Friendly fire is when you accidentally shoot an ally, not when you're a spy planning to attack your victim and trigger its doom. There was nothing friendly about the smartbomb being used, and people need to stop saying it was friendly fire. The kill is lame, however it is within game mechanics, and imo, it does not warrant a reimbursement. I know that many of the people crying foul belong to groups which use spies and other underhanded tactics they *** at BoB for using, so perhaps they should stop with the farce, and return the favor to BoB? Old saying, Do unto others... Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Hermes Massai Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:51:00 - [930] For some reason there's no visible aggression timer in 0.0. For some reason you get aggression from friendly fire. Is it intentional? Or just overlooked by the devs? I don't know. No one knows. But it's been like this for quite some time now which leads to believe it's intentional. Then again look at nano-battleships. It appears they were never meant to be that fast. So you never know. But you can't stop and ask the devs "Is it supposed to work like this??" everytime you do something (unless of course it's something very obvious).

Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2007.02.18 05:55:00 - [931] Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:52:41 Its just so bloody funny that people here are still trying to claim that expilts were used by BOB....it is just completely unfathomable you people are still trying to push that train of thought. A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Holy $hit people! Straight from the horses mouth! And yet you are STILL trying to somehow claim EXPOLIT!! GUESS WHAT...THERE WAS NO EXPLOIT! By Word of CCP. End of Fcking STORY! You are so entrenched with hatred of one group that you think you are right, no matter who says what..about anything. FK! Get a life already!!! WOW!
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:04:00 - [932] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:52:41 Its just so bloody funny that people here are still trying to claim that expilts were used by BOB....it is just completely unfathomable you people are still trying to push that train of thought. A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Holy $hit people! Straight from the horses mouth! And yet you are STILL trying to somehow claim EXPOLIT!! GUESS WHAT...THERE WAS NO EXPLOIT! By Word of CCP. End of Fcking STORY! You are so entrenched with hatred of one group that you think you are right, no matter who says what..about anything. FK! Get a life already!!! WOW! Corp theft is also within game mechanics, its still lame.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:09:00 - [933] Mm, much as I love to blame BoB, CCP has to share a fair amount of blame here. The aggression timer thing needs to be worked on. There are waaaaay too many bugs with it and it's too easy to exploit as it's set up.
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:12:00 - [934] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 18/02/2007 06:09:24 Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 18/02/2007 06:08:47 Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:52:41 Its just so bloody funny that people here are still trying to claim that expilts were used by BOB....it is just completely unfathomable you people are still trying to push that train of thought. A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Holy $hit people! Straight from the horses mouth! And yet you are STILL trying to somehow claim EXPOLIT!! GUESS WHAT...THERE WAS NO EXPLOIT! By Word of CCP. End of Fcking STORY! You are so entrenched with hatred of one group that you think you are right, no matter who says what..about anything. FK! Get a life already!!! WOW! Corp theft is also within game mechanics, its still lame. aye, and loging off in a bubble, and logonski logofski. theres lots of lame stuff used commonly in eve. many in this thread are being hypocrites:) good, ingenious kill by bob IMO. Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Angel NZ KZ7	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:19:00 - [935] Originally by: Voltron Big surprise. What he said.
MalaMo TMF	Posted - 2007.02.18 08:00:00 - [936] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Was it T20 ? Sowwy could resist Im just small and insignificant ------------- Don't drink and drive, logon to EVE and fly.
Internet Knight Caldari The Knighthawks Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 08:14:00 - [937] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Please point me to this post.
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.18 08:50:00 - [938] Quit crying, girls. It was a smart tactical maneuver that scored a titan kill. As much betrayal as there was, consider that if D2 was actually all that great, the person who attended their personal meetings and drank beer with them probably wouldn't have sold out the titan. Whether it's a titan or a hauler, if you're engaged before logging, you get a timer. Bob knew this, and engaged the titan with a spy, just like when you're chasing someone around and take shots at them you know will miss, in case they log off during the chase. D2 ignored all the warning signs this was coming, it's their own fault. For weeks they've been ranting on the forums about 'bob does this and bob does that,' knowing bob implements spies, and still chose to log the titan off right next to a pack of other pilots with NO misconceptions about the liklihood of spies being present. BAD IDEA, MORONS. And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Dao 2 The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.18 09:31:00 - [939] Originally by: Stickey Crak WOW!! This is truly incredible. 30 pages of crying and moaning and 0 replies from BoB. now what does that tell you? P.S. Respect on the kill. Job well done hope to see few more. that they have some sort of order not to post on the forums anymore? cause none of em have been doing so lately really :\| durr? and how is that good work are u retarded? oh wait nvmd.... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.18 10:26:00 - [940] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:52:41 Its just so bloody funny that people here are still trying to claim that expilts were used by BOB....it is just completely unfathomable you people are still trying to push that train of thought. A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Holy $hit people! Straight from the horses mouth! And yet you are STILL trying to somehow claim EXPOLIT!! GUESS WHAT...THERE WAS NO EXPLOIT! By Word of CCP. End of Fcking STORY! You are so entrenched with hatred of one group that you think you are right, no matter who says what..about anything. FK! Get a life already!!! WOW! Corp theft is also within game mechanics, its still lame. For someone with "in ebay we trust" in their sig, you do seem rather too desparate for that moral highground. - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:05:00 - [941] Originally by: Internet Knight Originally by: Arlenna Molatov A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Please point me to this post. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477648
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:43:00 - [942] If you only could have readed this: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Then you will see that was to gain an unfair advantage over the titan pilot since he didn't got *ANY* indications on that he had been agressed, so therefor he logged off. Yes he could probably have seen the damage if he have had the damage messages on, but if he choose to have it of, then it's not his problem anyways, since it will reduce the lag for him. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:47:00 - [943] Originally by: Vensa Heckler Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:52:41 Its just so bloody funny that people here are still trying to claim that expilts were used by BOB....it is just completely unfathomable you people are still trying to push that train of thought. A Dev posted HIMSELF..CCP DEV...Bob did NOTHING wrong. Everything they did was in line with the game mechanics.and NOTHING was an exploit. Holy $hit people! Straight from the horses mouth! And yet you are STILL trying to somehow claim EXPOLIT!! GUESS WHAT...THERE WAS NO EXPLOIT! By Word of CCP. End of Fcking STORY! You are so entrenched with hatred of one group that you think you are right, no matter who says what..about anything. FK! Get a life already!!! WOW! Corp theft is also within game mechanics, its still lame. For someone with "in ebay we trust" in their sig, you do seem rather too desparate for that moral highground. It's called sarcasm.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:50:00 - [944] Originally by: NightmareX If you only could have readed this: Then you will see that was to gain an unfair advantage over the titan pilot since he didn't got *ANY* indications on that he had been agressed, so therefor he logged off. Yes he could probably have seen the damage if he have had the damage messages on, but if he choose to have it of, then it's not his problem anyways, since it will reduce the lag for him. I know you have checked that CCP post and even now your questioning if it was an exploit. Sorry. its not... it was allowed. You could also argue that the pilot could do a lot more for his safety before logout. he didnt. and hence he only got himself to blame. and btw. He could have used proper procedure. He didnt its obvius. Checked his dmg log - dont know this for sure but couldnt d2 have a thing to dock it in at the POS? As the Eula so finely states: Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. This paragraph also indicates that the pilot of the titan should have kept himself aware of the mechanism of logout. it was his responsibility to do it rigth!
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:51:00 - [945] Originally by: Ctharth Spotmanship has its place in sports. In love and war everything goes as long as you dont break any official rules! When you press Ctrl+Q in the evening, do you find yourself sitting in a giant space ship?
B orange	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:51:00 - [946] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. dude, you have no fuc*ing right to say that. facts: bob and lv are outnumbered beyound decency and still you have the guts to ask for fairness and $hit. i could bet bob would give you a "fair" fight everytime you bring a decent gang. but you'll lose and you know it. btw, your last morale boosting movie made me puke.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:52:00 - [947] Originally by: Ctharth Bob: Bob did nothing wrong. it could be discussed wether it was honourable or not but they stayed within the boundries of the game. Bob has always played the game to the limits so this was to expect when the war was declared. D2: Lied about having a passive targeter used so that it would seem that bob broke game rules. (what are the rules about relaying false information to gms?) and thankgodfully lost their titan with only themselves to blame since they didnt use proper logoff procedures. OR, D2 just had it wrong. People make mistakes. Hell, a lot of people thought it was the can bug at first. Then the passive targetter, long before D2 even made the announcement. Both those groups had it wrong. Were they lying? no. they just didn't have all of the information. ***
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:55:00 - [948] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Ctharth Bob: Bob did nothing wrong. it could be discussed wether it was honourable or not but they stayed within the boundries of the game. Bob has always played the game to the limits so this was to expect when the war was declared. D2: Lied about having a passive targeter used so that it would seem that bob broke game rules. (what are the rules about relaying false information to gms?) and thankgodfully lost their titan with only themselves to blame since they didnt use proper logoff procedures. OR, D2 just had it wrong. People make mistakes. Hell, a lot of people thought it was the can bug at first. Then the passive targetter, long before D2 even made the announcement. Both those groups had it wrong. Were they lying? no. they just didn't have all of the information. Yes I totally aggree here I just had to pur it on the edge to underline what I said. But you are rigth. I will change the statement to "D2 relayed false information. " which removes the accusation of lying.
DonJuan deMatos Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 12:58:00 - [949] let's stop talking and continue the pew pew
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:02:00 - [950] Originally by: B orange Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. dude, you have no fuc*ing right to say that. facts: bob and lv are outnumbered beyound decency and still you have the guts to ask for fairness and $hit. i could bet bob would give you a "fair" fight everytime you bring a decent gang. but you'll lose and you know it. btw, your last morale boosting movie made me puke. lol -- Might As well Train Another Race

NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:06:00 - [951] Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: NightmareX If you only could have readed this: Then you will see that was to gain an unfair advantage over the titan pilot since he didn't got *ANY* indications on that he had been agressed, so therefor he logged off. Yes he could probably have seen the damage if he have had the damage messages on, but if he choose to have it of, then it's not his problem anyways, since it will reduce the lag for him. I know you have checked that CCP post and even now your questioning if it was an exploit. Sorry. its not... it was allowed. You could also argue that the pilot could do a lot more for his safety before logout. he didnt. and hence he only got himself to blame. and btw. He could have used proper procedure. He didnt its obvius. Checked his dmg log - dont know this for sure but couldnt d2 have a thing to dock it in at the POS? As the Eula so finely states: Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. This paragraph also indicates that the pilot of the titan should have kept himself aware of the mechanism of logout. it was his responsibility to do it rigth! Dude, why is it NOT an exploit when the EULA clearly is saying that? The Cov Ops pilot got an advantage over the titan pilot, and then the titan pilot logged off. And he couldn't do a frack thing to save the ship either after that, so why is not not against what the EULA is saying on what i pointed from the EULA earlier? And when i'm logging off with no enemies around me, i'm not gonna use 30 mins to check a billion different things to be sure i'm safe. And you are saying that he could have checked his security before he logged off?, are you mad or something, he sat in the POS for over 3 hours without beeing agressed, so he WAS safe. So i'm sure he was pretty secure before he loged off with no enemies around him. And i'm gonna say it again, the agression timer IS NOT meant to be used in this way. And for those who don't understand that better leave this game, since your playing the wrong game then. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Sidrat Flush Caldari Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:13:00 - [952] How about if agro timers would appear in the top left hand corner? I'm sure I've seen them in Empire even against the rats. Why no aggro timer outside of Empire? Life is about memories the more the better. Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers!
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:18:00 - [953] Originally by: NightmareX Dude, why is it NOT an exploit when the EULA clearly is saying that? The Cov Ops pilot got an advantage over the titan pilot, and then the titan pilot logged off. And he couldn't do a frack thing to save the ship either after that, so why is not not against what the EULA is saying on what i pointed from the EULA earlier? And when i'm logging off with no enemies around me, i'm not gonna use 30 mins to check a billion different things to be sure i'm safe. And you are saying that he could have checked his security before he logged off?, are you mad or something, he sat in the POS for over 3 hours without beeing agressed, so he WAS safe. So i'm sure he was pretty secure before he loged off with no enemies around him. And i'm gonna say it again, the agression timer IS NOT meant to be used in this way. And for those who don't understand that better leave this game, since your playing the wrong game then. Its not an exploit because: - a ccp employee says so - Because everyone else has the same option. that means it can be done by anyone. - the system wasnt clear of enemies, there was a spy. spies are allowed. - sitting 3 hours in a POS and considder it safe. is not proper precaution. (follow a better procedure next time. - Because you think this isnt how it supposed to work. Doesnt mean it isnt how it is supposed to work. I refer to the post of the CCP employee. Simply saying it was unfair doesnt make it an exploit. I¦m sure 100 ppl gets killed in eve every day because they meet a buble camp are lagged out and killed before even noticing. That doesnt make it an exploit. but is an advantage as well.
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:27:00 - [954] What we know: Problem 1: Victim logging knowing he's losing in combat creates a real life advantage unfair to the attacker. Solution: combat agrotimer, not disspearing anytime soon when tagged in combat. Let us think together now. If the victim knows hes gonna lose, should he be able to just log of and avoid getting destoryed? Ofcourse not! So far the solution above is a good solution. The real question: If the victim doesn't know hes a victim, and logs of because he has some real life matters to attend to. Should he just log of and get shot anyway? Isn't it obvious to say: Ofcourse not! Problem 1 just got reversed in that situation: Attacker virtual advantage over victim logging of. This proves abusing a mechanical rule to turn it around is possible, it is a tactic, but a dirty one that CCP shouldn't have allowed to happen. Possible solution to that: The moment people want to log of and press quit, they should get a confirmation box IF they have agro, and confirm if they wanna log of anyway. If you don't have agro you return to your desktop like normal. At that time the timer can not be enabled anymore while player is alligning/warping/vanishing in EVE. D2, i hope you guys hang on, stay strong :).
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:28:00 - [955] Originally by: B orange Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. dude, you have no fucing right to say that. facts: bob and lv are outnumbered beyound decency and still you have the guts to ask for fairness and $hit. i could bet bob would give you a "fair" fight everytime you bring a decent gang. but you'll lose and you know it. btw, your last morale boosting movie made me puke. corp ticker and * you bob fanboi ***er
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:31:00 - [956] Edited by: Royaldo on 18/02/2007 13:31:31 Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: NightmareX Dude, why is it NOT an exploit when the EULA clearly is saying that? The Cov Ops pilot got an advantage over the titan pilot, and then the titan pilot logged off. And he couldn't do a frack thing to save the ship either after that, so why is not not against what the EULA is saying on what i pointed from the EULA earlier? And when i'm logging off with no enemies around me, i'm not gonna use 30 mins to check a billion different things to be sure i'm safe. And you are saying that he could have checked his security before he logged off?, are you mad or something, he sat in the POS for over 3 hours without beeing agressed, so he WAS safe. So i'm sure he was pretty secure before he loged off with no enemies around him. And i'm gonna say it again, the agression timer IS NOT meant to be used in this way. And for those who don't understand that better leave this game, since your playing the wrong game then. Its not an exploit because: - a ccp employee says so - Because everyone else has the same option. that means it can be done by anyone. - the system wasnt clear of enemies, there was a spy. spies are allowed. - sitting 3 hours in a POS and considder it safe. is not proper precaution. (follow a better procedure next time. - Because you think this isnt how it supposed to work. Doesnt mean it isnt how it is supposed to work. I refer to the post of the CCP employee. Simply saying it was unfair doesnt make it an exploit. I¦m sure 100 ppl gets killed in eve every day because they meet a buble camp are lagged out and killed before even noticing. That doesnt make it an exploit. but is an advantage as well. cus a ccp employee says so? in case you didnt notice.. they just caught a cheater in there. kinda makes the whole ccp says so have little to zero effect. the cov op wasnt a hostile trying to catch a ctrl+q dude at a gate. he fired once on a corp member. that is not the way timers were meant to be used. it was meant to stop loggers. this wasnt a logger trying to save hes ship.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:36:00 - [957] Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: NightmareX Dude, why is it NOT an exploit when the EULA clearly is saying that? The Cov Ops pilot got an advantage over the titan pilot, and then the titan pilot logged off. And he couldn't do a frack thing to save the ship either after that, so why is not not against what the EULA is saying on what i pointed from the EULA earlier? And when i'm logging off with no enemies around me, i'm not gonna use 30 mins to check a billion different things to be sure i'm safe. And you are saying that he could have checked his security before he logged off?, are you mad or something, he sat in the POS for over 3 hours without beeing agressed, so he WAS safe. So i'm sure he was pretty secure before he loged off with no enemies around him. And i'm gonna say it again, the agression timer IS NOT meant to be used in this way. And for those who don't understand that better leave this game, since your playing the wrong game then. Its not an exploit because: - a ccp employee says so - Because everyone else has the same option. that means it can be done by anyone. - the system wasnt clear of enemies, there was a spy. spies are allowed. - sitting 3 hours in a POS and considder it safe. is not proper precaution. (follow a better procedure next time. - Because you think this isnt how it supposed to work. Doesnt mean it isnt how it is supposed to work. I refer to the post of the CCP employee. Simply saying it was unfair doesnt make it an exploit. I¦m sure 100 ppl gets killed in eve every day because they meet a buble camp are lagged out and killed before even noticing. That doesnt make it an exploit. but is an advantage as well. Can i have more excuses please?, you still dont get it. The ccp employee can say whatever he like here on the forum, but they don't break their own EULA. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
B orange	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:40:00 - [958] Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: B orange Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. dude, you have no fucing right to say that. facts: bob and lv are outnumbered beyound decency and still you have the guts to ask for fairness and $hit. i could bet bob would give you a "fair" fight everytime you bring a decent gang. but you'll lose and you know it. btw, your last morale boosting movie made me puke. corp ticker and * you bob fanboi ***er my dear fart, truth or not?
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:47:00 - [959] Originally by: B orange truth or not? No, BoD has so many 'friends' in Fix, Rise, MC, Xelas and the thousands of 'unbiased' players like yourself that come crawling from under the woodwork, that the fight is still fair. And, I'm sure that the 10 titans, 25 MS that Lemonde will offer as prize for the next Alliance Tournament will help as well. ============================= In unrelated news: Under no circumstances should the organizer of the Guiding Hand Social Club Bingo Tournament be part of the team that has won the Bingo Tournament four times in a row.
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:48:00 - [960] Edited by: Sun Ra on 18/02/2007 13:45:32 Originally by: NightmareX If you only could have readed this: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Then you will see that was to gain an unfair advantage over the titan pilot since he didn't got *ANY* indications on that he had been agressed, so therefor he logged off. Yes he could probably have seen the damage if he have had the damage messages on, but if he choose to have it of, then it's not his problem anyways, since it will reduce the lag for him. Quote: Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used There were no glitches, this isnt like isk copying or whatever. What if it was a real corp mate who clicked his smart bomb by mistake and didnt think about the agro timer on his corp mate who logged off then bob found him, whould that mean the corp mate was exploiting? End of the day there was no exploit, the pilot was stupid enough to park his ship outside a pos bubble and bob were dirty enough to take advantage of it You can call it lame but it aint a exploit no amount of quoting the EULA will make it one Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'

MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:51:00 - [961] Originally by: B orange Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: B orange Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. dude, you have no fucing right to say that. facts: bob and lv are outnumbered beyound decency and still you have the guts to ask for fairness and $hit. i could bet bob would give you a "fair" fight everytime you bring a decent gang. but you'll lose and you know it. btw, your last morale boosting movie made me puke. corp ticker and * you bob fanboi ***er my dear fart, truth or not? NOT...clearly A long time ago they even refused fighting 3 vs. 1 in their favor! -- Might As well Train Another Race
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:56:00 - [962] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/02/2007 13:53:45 Originally by: Sun Ra Edited by: Sun Ra on 18/02/2007 13:45:32 Originally by: NightmareX If you only could have readed this: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Then you will see that was to gain an unfair advantage over the titan pilot since he didn't got *ANY* indications on that he had been agressed, so therefor he logged off. Yes he could probably have seen the damage if he have had the damage messages on, but if he choose to have it of, then it's not his problem anyways, since it will reduce the lag for him. Quote: Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used There were no glitches, this isnt like isk copying or whatever. What if it was a real corp mate who clicked his smart bomb by mistake and didnt think about the agro timer on his corp mate who logged off then bob found him, whould that mean the corp mate was exploiting? End of the day there was no exploit, the pilot was stupid enough to park his ship outside a pos bubble and bob were dirty enough to take advantage of it You can call it lame but it aint a exploit no amount of quoting the EULA will make it one Well a player should NOT suffer at all from a friendly that clicked his smart bomb by mistake, so enemies can take advantage of that, it's not how the agression timer was meant to be used. And Sun Ra, you better know that to. Even when the system is like that now, it's not how the agression system is meant to be used, and everybody knows that. So the agression system better be changed then. And that's fast. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Jynola	Posted - 2007.02.18 13:58:00 - [963] Originally by: Sidrat Flush How about if agro timers would appear in the top left hand corner? I'm sure I've seen them in Empire even against the rats. Why no aggro timer outside of Empire? Most usefull thing said in this whole thread. Not gonna bring the titan back though, and since it went down fair and square, it shouldnt be brought back. It will however prevent stoupid stuff like that to happen in the future.
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:06:00 - [964] Edited by: Sun Ra on 18/02/2007 14:03:34 Originally by: NightmareX Well a player should NOT suffer at all from a friendly that clicked his smart bomb by mistake, so enemies can take advantage of that, it's not how the agression timer was meant to be used. And Sun Ra, you better know that to. Even when the system is like that now, it's not how the agression system is meant to be used, and everybody knows that. So the agression system better be changed then. And that's fast. Weather he should or should not suffer from friendly fire is another thing, and weather ccp needs to change somethign thats been like that since the start of this game is another thing but what it aint is an exploit and it most certainly isnt against the EULA, its just dirty play but no different from scamming and corp thieft, GHSC got praised and got in RL computer mags for doing the same thing really dont see how this is different Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
S'Beech Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:07:00 - [965] It's an abuse of a game mechanic.Pure and simple.The agression timer was NOT designed to be used like this. Stealing from a can flags you as red.It was NOT designed to enable people to bait noobs in Empire into taking from cans marked 'free stuff'. The mechanics of it are fine it's how people abuse or exploit it that's the problem. oh and it's lame as well.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:11:00 - [966] LET the logoff timer apear in the upper left corner in big red letters so pilots always know whether its safe or not to log damit! and frienldy fire should never and i mean NEVER restart the bloody logoff timer ffs. what if armour rep drones restart logoff timers and such ??? or a nos activated in order to get some cap from a friendly ship which is acting as cap reserve ship ? in eve there are so many things u just dont see. for example the agility indicator or the warp strenght of ur ship isnt shown in ur stats sheet etc. make this game clearlier sturctured so ppl dont make dumb mistakes. my 2 veld Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Harum Skarum Minmatar Committee for Subversive Decoration	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:17:00 - [967] Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: B orange truth or not? No, BoD has so many 'friends' in Fix, Rise, MC, Xelas and the thousands of 'unbiased' players like yourself that come crawling from under the woodwork, that the fight is still fair. And, I'm sure that the 10 titans, 25 MS that Lemonde will offer as prize for the next Alliance Tournament will help as well. ============================= Goonswarm 2953 CA 2288 D2 2207 IAC 1901 TCF 1039 RZR 1015 AAA 966 MM 960 Pure. 933 RA 859 UNL 742 KOS 590 POS 568 IRON 560 CORE 362 Pandemic Legion 312 EVE Animal Control 165 Koroshiya Buntai 97 Ekliptika 64 18581 LV 2756 BoB 1901 FIX 1206 Xelas 981 RISE 902 MWA 513 EXE 486 Aftermath 480 Fallen Souls 427 Intrepid Crossing 395 Gunboat Diplomacy 384 AXE 375 Southern Cross Alliance 364 MC 320 Red Moon Federation 253 Cult of War 199 COIN 195 GONAD 191 Digital Renegades 179 D-L 171 Exuro Mortis 151 Requiem-Aeternam 140 Corelum Syndicate 107 M'8'S 92 13173 Even if you add FATAL/Outbreak and RULE/X-Pact/INVICTUS. its hardly 2:1
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:20:00 - [968] Originally by: Sun Ra Edited by: Sun Ra on 18/02/2007 14:03:34 Originally by: NightmareX Well a player should NOT suffer at all from a friendly that clicked his smart bomb by mistake, so enemies can take advantage of that, it's not how the agression timer was meant to be used. And Sun Ra, you better know that to. Even when the system is like that now, it's not how the agression system is meant to be used, and everybody knows that. So the agression system better be changed then. And that's fast. Weather he should or should not suffer from friendly fire is another thing, and weather ccp needs to change somethign thats been like that since the start of this game is another thing but what it aint is an exploit and it most certainly isnt against the EULA, its just dirty play but no different from scamming and corp thieft, GHSC got praised and got in RL computer mags for doing the same thing really dont see how this is different Sun Ra, does the corp thieft and scamming happens offline? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:48:00 - [969] Originally by: S'Beech It's an abuse of a game mechanic.Pure and simple.The agression timer was NOT designed to be used like this. Stealing from a can flags you as red.It was NOT designed to enable people to bait noobs in Empire into taking from cans marked 'free stuff'. The mechanics of it are fine it's how people abuse or exploit it that's the problem. oh and it's lame as well. its not an exploit. high levels of paranoia, prime requirement and best possible "flaw" you can have when stakes are so high
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 14:59:00 - [970] Ok apparrently all at ccp is cheaters because they have had some individuals cheating. So since you are from a country with some liars thieves and murderers you are a lieing murdering thief. get it??? official release says it legit. Hence its legit Calling people cheaters etc. wont make it the other way. and it certainly doesnt mean its true! This is CCPs game. they have jurisdiction. you play under their rules. if you dont like their rules play something else. Dont pester the boards with undocumented accusations. And personal belief is not and have never been proof. (it doesnt matter how you think it should work its how ccp think it should work that matters in this case.) Your belief migth start a change. but it will be a change from now and on. Doing otherwise would be like lowering the speed limit and sign out tickets to all the broke the new speed limit before it was even implemented. And yes you can experience corp theft etc. while logged off. I get everything your saying. but there is obviuosly people that dont get my points. Personal interpratation of events and mechanics wont ever be documentation. CCP posts will... Eve is not fair. RL is not fair. Hell ¦m not fair. but the solution to EVes fairness is easy... dont play.. the solution to RL is much less desireable.

Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:07:00 - [971] Originally by: Ctharth Ok apparrently all at ccp is cheaters because they have had some individuals cheating. So since you are from a country with some liars thieves and murderers you are a lieing murdering thief. get it??? official release says it legit. Hence its legit Calling people cheaters etc. wont make it the other way. and it certainly doesnt mean its true! This is CCPs game. they have jurisdiction. you play under their rules. if you dont like their rules play something else. Dont pester the boards with undocumented accusations. And personal belief is not and have never been proof. (it doesnt matter how you think it should work its how ccp think it should work that matters in this case.) Your belief migth start a change. but it will be a change from now and on. Doing otherwise would be like lowering the speed limit and sign out tickets to all the broke the new speed limit before it was even implemented. And yes you can experience corp theft etc. while logged off. I get everything your saying. but there is obviuosly people that dont get my points. Personal interpratation of events and mechanics wont ever be documentation. CCP posts will... Eve is not fair. RL is not fair. Hell ¦m not fair. but the solution to EVes fairness is easy... dont play.. the solution to RL is much less desireable. well said - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
S'Beech Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:16:00 - [972] Originally by: Nahia Senne Originally by: S'Beech It's an abuse of a game mechanic.Pure and simple.The agression timer was NOT designed to be used like this. Stealing from a can flags you as red.It was NOT designed to enable people to bait noobs in Empire into taking from cans marked 'free stuff'. The mechanics of it are fine it's how people abuse or exploit it that's the problem. oh and it's lame as well. its not an exploit. high levels of paranoia, prime requirement and best possible "flaw" you can have when stakes are so high I think there's a difference between an 'exploit' and 'abuse'.An exploit is where someone deliberately uses something which is known to be bugged eg passive targeters.An abuse is using a perfectly good game mechanic in a different way to which it was intended to work.eg noob baiting. As I said before,it's NOT an exploit but it IS abuse. People need to stop confusing the 2 because there's a difference.
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:23:00 - [973] remembering the good 'ol days of GL, HF and GG, GF in local makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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ViPerZ	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:27:00 - [975] if you are abusing something another way of saying it is saying you are exploiting it. EG. I am exploiting my friends agreeing to a bet im 100% sure i will win. or I am exploting game mechanics to destroy a titan in a way in which CCP never intended.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:30:00 - [976] Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned, don't launch into personal attacks.... or the kitten gets it! Needs more cleaning. My kitten just pointed it out to me.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:18:00 - [977] Originally by: Blazde Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:56:02 Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:52:46 Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: Blazde I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this. Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds. iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer. It's to stop people knowingly logging out during combat (to save their ship). Not so that players lose ships on technicalities, and especially not when those technicalities are forced by their opponent through convuluted means that specifically rely on the player logging off just to kill the ship. There should be a highly visible onscreen PvP timer (and probably also an annoying "you are PvP flagged, this means your ship will remain in space for 15 minutes, do you really really want to log" popup to go with it.) The displayed agression timer sort of works when NPCs shoot you, even though the rules on that are different, but for some reason has never been properly coded for PvP. To be sure, I disagreed with the ASCN titan loss for the same reasons. But at least that was avoidable, everyone knows if you use a DD, then log within 15 minutes, you'll still be flagged. But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and paid constant attention to the split-second messages about any SB hits from friendlies. That's a broken game, not a clever kill. blazde summed it up nicely. imho very lame. could have expected it from bod thou.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:28:00 - [978] Guys let it all rest now plz. D2 will be able to fight w/o the famous Tigerduck Titan. And we will fight. /Case closed --------------------------------
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:53:00 - [979] Originally by: Ctharth Its not an exploit because: - a ccp employee says so - Because everyone else has the same option. that means it can be done by anyone. - the system wasnt clear of enemies, there was a spy. spies are allowed. - sitting 3 hours in a POS and considder it safe. is not proper precaution. (follow a better procedure next time. - Because you think this isnt how it supposed to work. Doesnt mean it isnt how it is supposed to work. I refer to the post of the CCP employee. Simply saying it was unfair doesnt make it an exploit. I¦m sure 100 ppl gets killed in eve every day because they meet a buble camp are lagged out and killed before even noticing. That doesnt make it an exploit. but is an advantage as well. How many times is this going to come up... "Because everyone else has the same option" is not an arguement as to whether or not something is an exploit. If there were a bug that allowed you to use a module to target through POS shields using said bug to target through a POS shield would still be an exploit. But wait, both sides can use it! Yes they can, both sides can exploit, and you can ban both sides. The position of "exploit" is not that it is "unfair", but that it uses a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to gain an advantage that should not exist. I.E. "Its unfair in a manner that is not intended by the creation of the game mechanic, and using that mechanic to specifically avoid the typical options available to you" ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.18 18:10:00 - [980] Originally by: Goumindong How many times is this going to come up... "Because everyone else has the same option" is not an arguement as to whether or not something is an exploit. If there were a bug that allowed you to use a module to target through POS shields using said bug to target through a POS shield would still be an exploit. But wait, both sides can use it! Yes they can, both sides can exploit, and you can ban both sides. The position of "exploit" is not that it is "unfair", but that it uses a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to gain an advantage that should not exist. I.E. "Its unfair in a manner that is not intended by the creation of the game mechanic, and using that mechanic to specifically avoid the typical options available to you" Cut that argument of the list and read the others then . it was not an exploit refer CCP post saying so or my earlier post for more argumentation. This point was brougth up in relation to the definition as an exploit being an advantage. But I cant considder it an unfair advantage when all players have the same advantage. (remember its within approved game mechanichs)

Sahneschnitte	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:35:00 - [981] a simple question.... is it not allowed to log out to do real life things or what ever .... ? WITHOUT AN AGGROTIMER IS RUNNING... and the moment i log out..... i had to be saved... knowing that "kills like this" can be happend make working on big ships uninteresting.... ppls who work for it think about let them building atleast ... this can be happend to them...
Hermes Massai Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:23:00 - [982] Originally by: NightmareX Sun Ra, does the corp thieft and scamming happens offline? It does if the CEO and all the corp members log off, except the corp thief. So what you're saying is that if you are not aware of something that is happening to you, it's an exploit? So, theoretically, you can play EVE with your eyes closed, and get everyone banned for killing your ship without your knowledge? Dude, had the titan player activated his dmg messages, he could have just dropped gang, warp to a SS and cloak. As for the "friendly" fire aggression timer, who are you to say it's not supposed to be used like this? Even the DEVS have stated that it's "fine". Sabotage is a part of EVE. Spies are a part of EVE. Paranoia is a part of EVE. But I'm sure if you whine enough you'll get your pop-ups when logging off with aggro. Hell, let's just remove all non-consensual pvp.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:25:00 - [983] Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: Goumindong How many times is this going to come up... "Because everyone else has the same option" is not an arguement as to whether or not something is an exploit. If there were a bug that allowed you to use a module to target through POS shields using said bug to target through a POS shield would still be an exploit. But wait, both sides can use it! Yes they can, both sides can exploit, and you can ban both sides. The position of "exploit" is not that it is "unfair", but that it uses a game mechanic in a way that it was not intended to gain an advantage that should not exist. I.E. "Its unfair in a manner that is not intended by the creation of the game mechanic, and using that mechanic to specifically avoid the typical options available to you" Cut that argument of the list and read the others then . it was not an exploit refer CCP post saying so or my earlier post for more argumentation. This point was brougth up in relation to the definition as an exploit being an advantage. But I cant considder it an unfair advantage when all players have the same advantage. (remember its within approved game mechanichs) I do not believe the Jeikon post to be definitive due to the wording of the FAQ and EULA. The rest have already been covered multipule times. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:28:00 - [984] I read this thread And lost braincells in the process.
Vasili Z Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:46:00 - [985] Originally by: w0rmy I read this thread And lost braincells in the process. I lost all mine smoking pot, someone from MC told me to , at least I'm cool. ------- I smoke pot, because I'm cool.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:49:00 - [986] Originally by: Vasili Z Originally by: w0rmy I read this thread And lost braincells in the process. I lost all mine smoking pot, someone from MC told me to , at least I'm cool. I smoke pot too, but it has more to do with stopping the homicidal urges.
Teldar Novastorm Eastern Heritage O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:51:00 - [987] So, in a nutshell, its perfectly fine to abuse the logoff system. Since CCP endorses it. <CTRL>+><Q> is ok as well then, its simply an abuse of the logoff system too.
RaYmEn Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:54:00 - [988] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Guys let it all rest now plz. D2 will be able to fight w/o the famous Tigerduck Titan. And we will fight. /Case closed I love you woody ----
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:17:00 - [989] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/02/2007 22:17:53 Originally by: Hermes Massai So what you're saying is that if you are not aware of something that is happening to you, it's an exploit? So, theoretically, you can play EVE with your eyes closed, and get everyone banned for killing your ship without your knowledge? That comment was useless, because your still logged on even if you close your eyes, if you are logged on though. And yeah, i don't care what kind of crap a dev is saying here on the forum, but they can't break their own EULA. And if they are following the EULA, the Titan will be back in D2 hands pretty soon. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:17:00 - [990] This whole thing highlights one thing to me. BoB is not particularly powerful anymore and are looking for any advantage tehy can get. I heard some people gloat that BoB could take on all of eve... but so far all I've seen is an alliance past its time that doesn't know how to die gracefully! RIP BoB Online

Boksering Amarr M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:20:00 - [991] Originally by: NightmareX And if they are following the EULA, the Titan will be back in D2 hands pretty soon. End of story. This will happen the day all ppl killed by lag, gatecamps that show to late and all other "unfair" things in eve is going to be replaced. Face it nothing out the ordinary happened it was just a god damn expensive ship!
Dire Lonestar Caldari Global Isk Network Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:36:00 - [992] It's no surprise how Bob fights, I don't recall any clear won battle without a node crash, a spy backstab, a pos switch off... Knowing any single "it may work against the common sense" is suspicious enough when you have on your side DEVELOPERS. 'Nuff said, D2 keep the good job. -- Another one bites the dust!
The 5aint Sanctus Spiritus	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:12:00 - [993] Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned, don't launch into personal attacks.... or the kitten gets it! Kill the kitten already, they aren't paying ransom for this one.
Exus Die Trying	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:31:00 - [994] One word : LAMERS òò
Trillian Dent Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:51:00 - [995] Quote: But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and paid constant attention to the split-second messages about any SB hits from friendlies. That's a broken game, not a clever kill. well one can say it was clever in the execution, morally well, it's war, but has BOB to fight with offline tactics, and bugs and using (IMHO) broken game mechanics? I honestly don't think so, but you do. I applaud for killing the Dreads this weekend, nice job and every other straight clean fight where we loose, I don't applaud for fighting an unmanned ship, especially a big one like that, this is carebear fighting and you guys don't need that. What would be more class if you would have executed this cunning plan, put the titan into structure, let it then dissapear, showed this to CCP and explain the bug and the mechanics and the pain, for D2, of structure reparing a titan with (still) no capital structure repair unit out is nice thing as well :p But hey after all you can say "Look mummy I killed an unmanned Titan" :p
Alex SOKOLOFF Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:48:00 - [996] Ship loss is nothing, even if its titan. But BoB's loss of reputation is forever.
Deidranna SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:55:00 - [997] 32 pages + 100 other threads about the loss of a T1 ship d GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we? GM Eldini > This chat is so intelligent it hurts..
Menf Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:41:00 - [998] Originally by: RaYmEn Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Guys let it all rest now plz. D2 will be able to fight w/o the famous Tigerduck Titan. And we will fight. /Case closed I love you woody Thats why you call him "***louse"? Grats. when is the wedding? _____________________________________________ Some players allready noticed.. "If you SEE me, its allready too late..."
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.19 20:05:00 - [999] Originally by: Trillian Dent What would be more class if you would have executed this cunning plan, put the titan into structure, let it then dissapear, showed this to CCP and explain the bug and the mechanics and the pain, for D2, of structure reparing a titan with (still) no capital structure repair unit out is nice thing as well :p It's much more amusing to do this to a freighter. Bring it to minimal structure and let it dock to see the repair bill. At least with a Titan it's technically free =P Unless you want to blow up the freighter, and as a thief, I still don't have much inclination to do that until they drop loot. Thread derailed, please continue with your business. Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.19 23:21:00 - [1000] Originally by: Deidranna 32 pages + 100 other threads about the loss of a T1 ship d Sorry Raymen, but i love Nubdranna more! <3 The wedding will be in like 3 days in Yulai just for the good old times sake. --------------------------------

Veronique deEstelle Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2007.02.20 01:53:00 - [1001] After reading the details of taking down the Tigerente (I just LOVE this name) one detail remains I like to know about: The spy. I guess it takes some effords to plant some in a corp and some shortcut might be simply to buy a char who fits the task. Is there a way you can confirm that the char used is indeed of an acc which belongs tho the player who used him?
Benglada Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.25 08:13:00 - [1002] YZ-LQL? What a terrible place to put a titan for the night. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Thargat Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.02.25 09:47:00 - [1003] Edited by: Thargat on 25/02/2007 09:43:35 D2 should not get their Titan back (cus the kill was legit?). BoB members should not be banned (for the same reason). But as others has written, the manner in wich the titan was killed isn't quite fair to EvE (both the game and the community). I really like the agression-timer. I say it should be a 5min timer, always (when you log) and a 15 min timer when you'r agressed (with confirmation). I've also been thinking that CCP should have the agression timer depend on if you have SOV in a system or not (a way to get rid of loggofski tactics problem from attackers). The system as it is now feels somewhat broken. Killing a pilot in this manner isn't even fun (I wouldn't think that anywayz) it's more like ratting (only that this rat didn't even fire back). If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.25 10:48:00 - [1004] Originally by: Thargat ... I say it should be a 5min timer, always (when you log) and a 15 min timer when you'r agressed (with confirmation). Yay for EVERY ship getting scanned down and killed while the pilot is offline Nice touch for an ONLINE game don't you think ? We need and option for ships not to do the emergency warp when they are within the forcefield of a POS ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt I love Emily
Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:04:00 - [1005] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Thargat ... I say it should be a 5min timer, always (when you log) and a 15 min timer when you'r agressed (with confirmation). Yay for EVERY ship getting scanned down and killed while the pilot is offline Nice touch for an ONLINE game don't you think ? We need and option for ships not to do the emergency warp when they are within the forcefield of a POS There is no need for an option. If you log out(quit, ctrl+q, whatever) the client sends a last message to the server deactivating emergency warp. If connection is lost without this -> emergency warp. Was proposed many times for over a year, and is how it should have been in the first place.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:43:00 - [1006] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 25/02/2007 22:44:57 ****THE FOLLOWING POST IS BASED ON PURELY SPECULATION**** It seems to me that The Coalition vs BoB is similar to a band of honor bound knight squires set of ridding the forest of dirty thieves. BoB being the dirty thieves of course. Now I am in no way implying that BoB steal, it was simply an analogy, however this war against BoB is unique, its not about turf or what one alliance leader said about anothers sister, but more for some sort of strange justice that the players feel CCP hasn't delivered. This is why I say throw away all you're morals, use spys, log-in traps, logoffskis and whatever dirty ass tricks that are looked down upon, anything to cause pain and anguish to all BoB pilots everywhere. Do I approve of these tactics? No, but these are special circumstances, BoB needs a spanking. Ninja vanish! poof
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:46:00 - [1007] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Thargat ... I say it should be a 5min timer, always (when you log) and a 15 min timer when you'r agressed (with confirmation). Yay for EVERY ship getting scanned down and killed while the pilot is offline Nice touch for an ONLINE game don't you think ? We need and option for ships not to do the emergency warp when they are within the forcefield of a POS But from the pictures of the smartbombing cloaker I do not see the titan inside the pos shield so really that wouldnt have made the slightest of difference with the loss of your titan.
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:09:00 - [1008] Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 25/02/2007 22:44:57 ****THE FOLLOWING POST IS BASED ON PURELY SPECULATION**** It seems to me that The Coalition vs BoB is similar to a band of honor bound knight squires set of ridding the forest of dirty thieves. BoB being the dirty thieves of course. Now I am in no way implying that BoB steal, it was simply an analogy, however this war against BoB is unique, its not about turf or what one alliance leader said about anothers sister, but more for some sort of strange justice that the players feel CCP hasn't delivered. This is why I say throw away all you're morals, use spys, log-in traps, logoffskis and whatever dirty ass tricks that are looked down upon, anything to cause pain and anguish to all BoB pilots everywhere. Do I approve of these tactics? No, but these are special circumstances, BoB needs a spanking. Numpty
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.26 04:14:00 - [1009] Originally by: Benglada YZ-LQL? What a terrible place to put a titan for the night. Sorry for being slow...but Benglada is in CA now That makes you my temp ally. I doubt the good lady remembers, but she was the first to gank me in a belt. ( I am good boy now...but some of what I learnt in Heild made me a -10 piwat, and quite wealthy I should add ) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=47466
Saint Snitch	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:28:00 - [1010] Ouch! It's alot of isk going 2 waste Cheap Trick By Teh One And Only - BoB

Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:30:00 - [1011] I cast turn undead.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:35:00 - [1012] damn necros. & damn me for bumping a necro thread by saying damn necros

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:43:00 - [1013] Necromancy is not good. Lockage. forum rules \| [email protected]



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