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shodowdemon Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:37:00 - [121] Aww
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:37:00 - [122] While the loss of the D2 titan is a blow it won't affect the long term aspects of this war. BoB & Co have far too many enemies gunning for them on multiple fronts for this to have a long term impact. Bad luck D2. But good going to BoB on a well executed plan, but you just can't seem to kill one in a stand up fight can you? As I said, won't change the result of this war, just harden resolve amongst the coalition to fight.
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [123] Hacksploit dev power omg omg omg, oh wait it wasn't that, exploit exploit expoit when there was no mention of a pos by the OP. People posting with facts > people going insane without facts
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [124] I see, so the plan was to use a spy to flag the titan. Anything to win, right? Just goes to show how down and dirty winning can be. If you didn't have an excuse to wipe them off the map before, this is a pretty damned good one. GL D2, you rocked before you had a titan anyway.
Assassin 2 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [125] Edited by: Assassin 2 on 16/02/2007 21:34:59 how the heck can all these people say 'respect to bob' wtf is a matter with some of you geeks. This was so lame it hurts even me and i have nothing to do with D2, its pathetic, a typical act of someone who couldnt kill it fairly so they have to use an alt and kill it without letting it defend itself. No balls to fight it fair and square eh BoB? always said you pilots were nothing but gankers and easy pickers. BoB you fools are going down hard. and i hope to be there to see you n o o b s fall day after day. D2 dont let this get you down guys, all my respect along with my alliances. Smack me all you want BoB pets. you can kiss it
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [126] I still hope D2 gets it back. The aggression logoff timer isn't meant to be a tool for espionage and attack, it should only be to prevent people from fighting and instantly logging off the second things become too hot. I would be saying the same thing if I were involved in killing a titan via this 'method'.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [127] Originally by: Pika Chu Smartbombs ftw? As far as I am aware smartbombs hit the POS shield rather than ships inside it. That's heresay though. Will someone please say if it was in or out of the POS shield? Galaxian Recruitment Info
Lilly McGuyver Caldari Alts on vacation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [128] Kudos to D2 for a no nonsense statement. I know i have something in my face Your civilian gatling rail gun strikes Innocent n00b, wrecking for 7dmg
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:38:00 - [129] doesnt the now snipped gm response imply that he already got the titan back? i dont like spying, but its legit. however using a passive targeter to extend aggro timer without the pilot having a chance to know and then gank the pilotless ship is just weak. its the play-to-win mentality i have seen in every other competive game. unfortunatly some ppl do everything to win.
FGxHalsey Freedom Guard Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [130] Edited by: FGxHalsey on 16/02/2007 21:38:10 Quote: however using a passive targeter to extend aggro timer without the pilot having a chance to know and then gank the pilotless ship is just weak. QFE o7 salute D2 don't let 1 ship kill dishearten you.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [131] hrmm, borderline. well executed though. personally, it sucks all the satisfaction out of the kill if its gotten any way other then the victims own shortcomings. morale of the story: dont ever log off your titan.
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [132] Edited by: tyrol on 16/02/2007 21:39:02 Probably the lamest kill ive seen. using a spy, good tactic, its part of warefare. waiting for someone to log so he can take care of RL stuff and then agressing him so you can kill his ship whilst he is gone...... wtf is that all about To all you bob fanbois, thats how your mighty heros do it. its gonna make killing them so much sweeter and ive got to agree with some of the above points, the agression time is there for a reason, you enter a situation where your gonna be agressed, you face the consequences, you log, you most likely die. but abusing it in this way is pretty lame and very questionable
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [133] Props should go to D¦ for: taking the time to investigate properly. releasing the results, to combat the wild rumour mills. for not engaging in forum mongering. Sad about the Erebus, and that Titans are not falling on the fields of war in general. S*t happens, but I kinda beleive the rumours that there are a few more D¦ titans waiting in the wings... someday, after my learning skills training, I'll actually have the ability to shoot back :p*
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [134] Another clear exploit use... Hope D2 will get it back.
Fagotis	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [135] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. from new intel ofc a smartbomb was used to cause aggro thus no passive targetters were used. I ofc thought of this within 15mins of the kill ;)
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:39:00 - [136] Just know this. They may have used spies et al. But WE will not stop, i am sure my brothers in north will not stop. This is but one small cow on the Rap3trains track, it will not stop. I expect to see you guys in PB soon. Black Lance Brother
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [137] Originally by: FGxHalsey I do believe this highlights a problem though, the only real way to kill a titan is to kill them when they are logged off. o7 salute D2 don't let 1 ship kill dishearten you. Not true, I think the recent Aeon kill disproves this theory.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [138] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 16/02/2007 21:42:13 Oh well.. Thanks for clarifying though. This sucks, but good luck! Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Twoside Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [139] Originally by: Spike Spiegle Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:32 Edited by: Spike Spiegle on 16/02/2007 21:32:02 First/ unlucky to D2 but this will not slow things and support will stay with you Second/ Is BOB ever going to fight someone who is logged in? or are they too lame to stand up to a fight with someone who can hit back? /signed
Chi Prime Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:40:00 - [140] I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today. Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)! - Ares, Raptor and Malediction needs fixing
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [141] Sad Loss...but anyways all titan gonna die one day or another in fair move...or not! Dont give up the figth d2 yarr yarrr Welcome in Bob online
whejl Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [142] Bob has always been playing the game mechanics rather than the game itself. Fair kill or not it leaves a bad taste behind. If you are as good as you say, why resort to such borderline exploits?
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [143] So the question is, is aggroing someone inside a POS using a smartbomb a legitimate tactic game wise? I think ships are intended to be invulernable inside POS ships ... but I guess we will see. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Aries Acheron The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [144] Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/02/2007 21:39:04 Excuse me, I'm by no means defending bob (I hate spies and such beyond belief, and think it dirty for them to be used for ANYTHING), but um. The hypocrisy of a lot of posters is a little astounding. How can you defend the use of Goon's spies to locate a titan construction, and spies on LV's teamspeak... yet call the use of an agent 'in game' to reveal themselves by smartbombing a titan to cause aggro 'dishonorable'? They're both the same thing. Hands are just as dirty on both sides. Edit: It doesn't seem to be an 'hax!!' exploit, since the smartbomb hit the Titan outside of the shield. Did you see that screenshot? A bomb doesn't need a lock, just the titan sticking out of the shield. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [145] Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that D¦ will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD. They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash" We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game? If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, ***** on cause I don't give a smeg anymore! But using a spy to find a POS where a titan was building, and then destroying it, was tottaly acceptable. Or the actions taken against the MC which involved the use of a spy by your own allience.
Vasili Z Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [146] Dirty? Go get more help, you need it. ------- I smoke pot, because I'm cool.
Chrome Coyote Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [147] Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan! ******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse?
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [148] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 16/02/2007 21:41:01 Originally by: Phoenus Originally by: Xazier Dirty Dirty...thats just how BoB works it. Can't fight fair has to use spies, cheats and whatever else. Nothing is new. They did same thing to IRON back when they came up north. But i guess thats how wars go. Yes, because BoB are the only cheaters in EVE, and 'the Coalition' would never do a thing like that Unlucky to D2, but Props to BoB. So because others are thought to cheat, then that grants your group license to cheat in response? EDIT: this is a GENERAL statement. There are still not enough facts and\or rulings on what constitutes an "exploit" in the case of the passive targeter use to apply that to this particular set of facts.
Alowishus OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [149] So much whining in this thread.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [150] how is it possible though if you can't target anything within a pos shield unless the shield is down? or am I missing something? Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills

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